Stupidity

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It is said that IQ tests were first designed to weed out the stupid whose intelligence was so abysmally low that teachers would be forever wasting their time on them.

What IQ tests don't measure however is that other sort of stupidity.  The stupidity of otherwise 'intelligent' and 'educated' people who believe in such ridiculous things as panthers lurking in the Aussie bush.

That the previous NSW government and now the Victorian government have allocated men and money to investigating 'big cats' says heaps about the crass stupidity and gutlessness of politicians.  Honestly, we pay government ministers and their senior bureaucrats big money -it is necessary to attract the 'right' talent they say- but this is what you get.

Isn't any politician brave enough to stand up and say B.S.?  To say don't be so silly, that is a waste of money? Doesn't any editor care that this money could be going towards helping some kids who are intent upon harming themselves?  Or inspecting nursing homes where there are continual government audit reports of people not being turned in their beds and suchlike?

There are so many examples on a daily basis where the Nanny State leaps into action to 'protect' the pleading numb-nuts against ordinary life risks and events, some of which are pure invention and fantasy.  No wonder there is no money for the really essential services that government was set up to provide.

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Naut - You must be using some kind of potent charge to be able to knock off panthers at 500M with a .22-250. I'd dare anyone to hit a big cat at 500M with a .22-250, and kill it outright.

Over 200M, compensation for windage and elevation is critical for the .22-250, and the firing would have to be from a solid rest. After all, it's only a 45-55gr slug, and they're very prone to wind drift.

Even the 7.62mm (.308 cal) military round is only recognised as having a lethal range of 300M. It takes a good solid hit to stop a big animal. Firing from the shoulder, your accuracy is seriously compromised.

If you read what I wrote I said those are calibres anyone out after rabbits and foxes might have.  Equally they could have a .30-06 or .300 magnum for pigs or deer.   No head, lungs, intestines, spine or hindquarters from a .22-250 isn't something a panther might enjoy.  Mark any spot on the panther and consider what a hunting bullet would do.  All involve sudden and massive blood loss. 

I was not suggesting a hunter's choice in  range or kit, just saying that a panther wouldn't disappear scott free if it flaunted itself in a tree, on a rock, stump or wandering a path.  

The US military accept a .223, their 5.56, which is less powerful than the .22-250 for sniper work to 300metres easily. That is for enemy wearing full kit, which a thin skinned panther doesn't possess.  They did propose .22-250.  The .308 (7.62) has the advantage of commonality across Allies, departments and types of use (projectile).  Although snipers do not use military grade ammunition but special loads as do serious hunters and competition shooters.

Police would be happy and it has been proposed to use the .22-250 in urban settings in particular because even at 500metres it is not far off 500 ft/lbs terminal energy.  That is a heck of a lot of pressure on a relatively small entry.  QAs well tghere is quick expansion.  That would kill or severely incapacitate an offender without on-carry, ie carrying to an innocent bystander, eg a hostage.  On the other hand the thirty calibre could easily carry through a target offender, even through a riccochet to kill an innocent.  Once the round hits, who knows where it travels.  That cannot be predicted. 

The other advantage of a .22-250 is its similar trajectory to a .300 magnum, which military snipers do like very much.  They pair well.  .300magnum for extra wind, extra oompf over long distance, or when you need something to penetrate minor obstacles like glass windscreens first before tapping the offender (who takes a shot like that unless directed?).  So, .22-250 for a whole range of tasks unless extra is needed, then .300 magnum (or some like .338 but they are reaching out further).

If you don't think a .308 is reliably lethal at 500 plus metres you are seriously mistaken.  Enemy have been killed at 1500 yards by .308 in a rather ordinary but tweaked Winchester or Remington rifles (still used).  ie not the  sophisticated Accuracy International or similar.

In closing, the FClass shooting events in Australia are to 1000 yards.  .223 and .308 are common because people traditionally favour military rounds.  Many of us teethed in military competition.  But .22-250. .243 and .270 can perform creditably.  The X ring is 5" and the 10 is 10"".  An outline of a panther would not faze competitors at all.

No-one fires from a standing position or without a rest.  That is close in pig in the lignum stuff.  Something different. 

I have decided that you are both so full of crap that anything less than anti tank grenade would be useless on either of you.

Save ithe anti-tank grenade for the black panther.

Davey, dont be too hard coz nutti has a shooting program on his computer which he plays all the time. He was known to look outside the door once.

When you've been in the middle of a combat zone handling high-powered weapons such as the 7.62mm SLR, the M14, the 5.56mm AR-15, the 7.62mm M60 MG, and the .50 cal Browing M2 MG - as I have - then, you can tell me I'm full of crap. What I know about handling high powered weapons, is enough to class me as a "professional".

I think you know a lot about high powered weapons Aaron, but I don't remember any time in the CMF when we were exposed to a 22-250.

Innes - I've been a farmer, an agricultural contractor, and a mining contractor - and I've spent the largest part of my working life in the wheatbelt and Goldfields of W.A.

I've owned and fired many weapons, including most of the common ones, from .22's, .22 magnums, .22-250, .243 Browning, .270 Winchester, .303, and even the old '94 model Winchester lever action .44.

I've dispatched many a vermin animal, including a few thousand rabbits, hundreds and hundreds of 'roos, hundreds of foxes and feral cats, and even a feral donkey and goat or three.

I can recall getting 480 rabbits in one night, with 500 rounds from a .22, way back in 1965! That was when rabbits really were in plague proportions!

.22-250 Rem

.243 Win

.270 Win

.303 British. The only ammunition available for the .303 British for many years was the ex-military, fully jacketed.  Most on farms were converted to .303/25  There were legal dictates (later changed) and also hunting reasons.  The .303 military round performed very poorly on game (where quick humane kills are the priority), reflecting its military intent to wound preferably. 

.30-30 Win was always more common than .44.

The military and police employ firearms as weapons.  Criminals too of course.

Licensed farmers, competition shooters and hunters refer to firearms, not weapons. Their ethical considerations and uses dictate that.

Sorry to be a bit pedantic. 

But a black panther would be in deep doo-dah wherever farmers and hunters were about.  Except for Davey's shottie, which like all guns employed against "Big Cats" failed miserably and the BC disappeared unharmed into the mist/gathering gloom or whatever.

Do you people really think the average reader is interested in your bragging about what you supposedly know about the size of a bullet and how fast it will travel sideways with a 5kph westerly.

Why do you have to make out you are so knowledgeable and espouse to all something which bores most to death. Boasting is not a virtue.

You are not the only ones who have fired a gun or been hunting but most don't go boasting about every shot they have ever fired.

The sound of blanks being fired by the panther hunting fwed.

You should be a lot nicer fwed after your lost camo pith helmet was found and returned to you.  Thankless bugger you turned out to be.  LOL

Just how are those black panthers you imagine roam the dark weedy recesses out back of your flat?  Ahem, "Big Cats" is the correct term isn't it for believers such as yourself.

Help is available , sigh , but it may be too late.

I'm sorry, fwed - that I was a bore, and discussed shooting and killing in too much detail. I can advise you that I no longer own any weapons, and I try every day, to control my desire to kill. There's a lot of people and animals out there, that really need killing, though.

Is there something else we can discuss that attracts your interest? Knitting, cooking, the best household cleaners? I'm a man of many talents, and I've been domesticated for over 20 years - so really, underneath it all, I'm just a big pussycat.

Aaron has a "narcissism" addiction which is why the self pic is there.

He was caught drunk with his 44 winchester singing songs out of tune from Paint your wagon and Annie get your gun ................this is the Perth police mugg shot.

And once again, the peanut gallery makes a major contribution to the discussion.

What I am demonstrating in my mug shot, with my fingers, is the size of the intelligence portion of your brain.

Aaron, I would be having a special personal test done before I was too critical of the IQs' on this site.

Innes - I've sighted a copy of my military psychological/IQ test, and I'm pretty proud of it! "Highly intelligent, and suitable for highly skilled training", was the part I was pleased with! And that was when I was only 20 yrs of age.

It's pretty apparent, though, that to get on an anonymous forum, and indulge in targeted personal abuse, doesn't require too much IQ?

fwed,

You reckon that when the revolution comes, citizens will be sent to re-education camps for not believing in your black panthers too?  Sorry, make that "Big Cats".  You'd want to include pumas, yowies and whatever too.

The simple enduring fact that you so object to remains: that it is exceedingly unlikely that any large predator could exist in the Aussie bush without being noticed and falling victim to a farmer or hunter.

You haven't explained how they are immune to shot either.

That is quite apart from the other obvious reasons why there are no black panthers about.

stick to facts about what has been said. Your ego seems to be larger than your head and I really think you believe the crap you sprout.

But you still continue to duck that question asked so many times of you:  Do you or do you not believe that black panthers are present in the Australian wild?

A simple yes or no, no more weasel words.  LOL

Have I ever said I do believe that ? Or have I ever said I don't ?

You go on saying I say certain things but when asked to copy / paste them you FAIL

Weasel words.

Why can't you answer with a simple yes or no?

This is too much.  LOL

I will need a seat belt to stop falling off the chair laughing at your continuing discomfiture and ducking.  Duckie, (heh, heh) shall I get your camo pith helmet for you?

You were the practitioner Aaron.  I know I will be sorry I asked, but your psychological/IQ test resulted in what rank in the Army?  BTW, IQ is not affected by age.

Innes, as a National Serviceman and lacking a degree or professional qualification, I wasn't even considered for OTU. However, I did manage to become a lowly L/Cpl after 6mths, something that incensed a few Regulars, who were overlooked in the promotions. It was rare for any NS to get any substantial amount of training, or gain any type of rank - the Army didn't hand them out to NS'men, as promotions were always handed out to Regulars. 

I didn't start the personal abuse, Davey has attacked me constantly from the minute I started posting, calling me a squarehead and other abusive names. I put up with it for so long - but now whenever he pops his head up, he makes a good target. It might have something to do with being bullied relentlessly for over 2 yrs at high school by a thug, that makes me release some latent anger.

Fair enough Aaron.  The draft was an onerous obligation, not to mention a life threatening experience. forced on the few and school is not an experience many would choose again.

I hope my pedantic niggle on details, for instance the use of the word weapon which is common enough for the military, didn't irritate.   In print it is easy to appear terse.

I would say that both you and innes do not offend.  Not trying to bridge build but simply ackonwledging a fact.

Fair enough Aaron.  Davey may be just a touch rough around the edges, but he has a habit of stating his feelings without mincing words.  It is a pleasent change in this political correct envirement.  I don't need to defend Davey.  He has no problem handling those problems without any assistance.

Aaran

LOL Bullied at school...well well well. That's why you like yourself so much because nobody else loved you.. Aaah what shame didums I almost feel sorry for you.   sob sob

I'll give you some free lessons on self defence.

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