Should the ABC be privatised?

What to do with the Australian Broadcasting Commission seems to be a pre-election staple. This time, the Liberal Party has voted in favour of selling off the government-run national broadcatser to a media mogul.

During a meeting held on Saturday, the Liberal Party has voted in favour of selling off the broadcaster, with 39 council delegates backing the sale and just 10 opposed. 

“The motion is an aspirational statement by the membership that in the 21st century the days of needing the government to fund a national broadcaster in metropolitan areas are over,” said one of four Liberal VPs Karina Okotel.

“The private sector produces content faster, cheaper and more efficiently, and to ask them to compete against the government is completely unfair.

“The membership made a statement to the parliamentary party that, other than for rural and regional services which are in the national interest, in particular to have services in place to broadcast emergency warnings, they would like to see the ABC privatised.”

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Sophie, you have every worthy quality of an opponent to our billionaire PM.

Let me know when you into politic, I vote for you just for your seduction of ideas.

Have a good evening.

I'll hold you to that Curious -:)

 

Come to think of it we’ve got it really good here in Oz as compared to countries in Europe, for e.g. Switzerland. Nearly every Swiss household has to pay almost €400 ($490) annually for public radio, TV, and internet, the compulsory license fee to fund public broadcasting.

Recently they had a referendum to decide whether they should retain that fee or scrap it. The Swiss voted to retain it, they were prepared to pay a fee for public services as they didn’t want purely commercial broadcasting in the country.

That can’t happen here now, can it? Nah, we want it on a platter.

 

Why should it happen here? We pay for our ABC with our taxes. What other countries apart from Switzerland charge their citizens (above tax) for their national broadcasting? 

 

Great idea Micha! Or we could cut a few corners. what say you?

 

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Got some misgivings about that mate. Remember what happened when they tried to can peppa pig?

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"We pay for our ABC with our taxes."

We also pay for, health, transport, education, defence, general public services, agriculture and a host of other infrastructure -  with our taxes.

Nearly 90% of personal income tax paid by Australians is used to fund the annual $155 billion welfare bill. Are you willing to forego any further increases in your pension to keep the ABC running and paying exorbitant salaries to incompetent staff?

Don't bother to answer, I already know the answer. 

Yes I am Banjo. I will fight to the utmost to prevent our ABC from being sold into private hands. And I am not alone. The Libs are in for one hell of a fight if they try to sell it. 

 

Yup Banjo

We should hand it over to the unions to run and return to the Marxist ethos emulated by Allan Ashbolt of years gone by.It could be renamed the ABC’s Marxists and the present symbol of the three rings could be replaced with a hammer and sickle.

I think the ABC costs about 1.4 billion dollars and makes about $1.7 billion from memory. I wonder how much the planned tax breaks to multinationals and big companies is going to cost?

It will cost nothing Robi.

It will only cost us if we dont do it.

........ why bother to post anymore?   It is definite it is NOT going to happen now?

Foxy,

What makes you think it is not going to happen?

 

.... go into news.com.au  .... Josh Frydenberg and ScoMo said assurance has been given that there will be NO privatisation and Mathias Cormann went even  further to state that the coalition will NOT be privatising the ABC!

Yeah yeah - they have been known to lie ......but ..............???  There is too much public backlash for it to happen ........

I hope you are right Foxy but I don’t trust them in the least. 

 

The writing is on the wall.

Malcolm Turnbull has accused the ABC of “too many cases” of inaccurate reporting, claiming that “some” presenters and programs contain a left-wing bias.

Turnbull made the comments to 3AW Radio on Friday, in an escalation of hostilities with the national broadcaster which has been the subject of complaints by government ministers for its reporting of the Coalition’s company tax cut plan and the timing of five byelections.

Asked if the ABC is “captive to the left”, Turnbull said “some presenters, some programs are biased more to the left”.

“But what I’ve found disappointing in recent times is the quality of the journalism, it is the lack of accuracy,” he said.

“The ABC has got an obligation under its act for news and current affairs to be accurate and impartial. Now obviously impartiality is in the eye of the beholder and people have different views, but accuracy is different.

 “And I am concerned there have been too many cases of inaccurate reporting.” Source: The Guardian  

“The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on..Khayyam.

Sadly, I don't believe any of the assurances that the ABC will continue as it is. I like the ABC but don't care much these days for SBS because I feel it has lost its way.

Maybe merging the ABC with SBS could save some money and probably produce less of the bias the PM is talking about.

ABC with SBS should definitely be merged.

Electricity and gas now private and costs us too much.

Rail travel the same along with buses.

Don't you idiots ever learn?

Right now the ABC is in the hands of "idiots", so what difference does it make?

Right now the ABC is in the hands of "idiots", so what difference does it make?

Absolute rubbish IMO, many more idiots in the Coalition/ALP who can't cop the flack and who get paid a premium at our expense.

Banjo, it’s a shame you don’t come in more often. We could use some common sense in these here parts. Yup, I agree, the ABC is presently run by a bunch of over paid blockheads who are becoming steadily out of touch with Australia and believe they should be above review. Somebody should remind them their audience is getting a bit sparse nowadays, what with digital and online technology. Even the kids are giving up bananas in pyjamas on TV in favour of iPads, motto being ‘have iPad will travel’. Gone are the days when lazy parents can plonk the kids down in front of the telly to watch Skippy. Where is Skippy now btw? Probably gone bush!

The ABC appeals to an older demographic, but is it worth spending all that money to keep a relic going? What they should be doing is supporting the older age group in the use of digital communication technology. My aunt is in her late eighties and she loves the ABC as I do, but does not sit glued to the TV.

Hey! stop insulting idiots and blockheads!

hahaha, good one!

Our Chinese neighbours would be very happy to take it on. They're making themselves comfortable in Fiji.

We already have Chinese radio in Perth broadcasting in Mandarin. Good thing I can understand the language mate.

To all of those who care about saving our ABC, just google “Save our ABC” and many petitions will come up. 

It is nothing but a political agenda by the Labor Party demonstrating against something that is NOT going to happen.

Agree Suze. They also did the same thing with Medicare. Its not politics, it's dishonesty.  

Thanks Robi have signed and so have some Friends

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I thought this article was rather topical to this thread and it happens to be funny as hell as well (as are all Rossleigh's articles).  His writings are heavy in satire that comes disturbingly close to the truth at times.

But a warning ... don't even bother clicking on it if you have a lean to the right because you won't find it at all funny I would think, quite the opposite.  This online 'publication' makes no pretense to be anything other than what it appears to be.

https://theaimn.com/lets-keep-the-abc-and-sell-the-government/

Let’s Keep The ABC And Sell The Government!

LOL Leonie. Where do I sign up?

Thanks for the link Leonie. I enjoyed reading that article and attached comments. Learned from one of the comments that Turnbull has 8 IPA members in his Cabinet Ministry and another 10 on the backbench. Now that is a big worry!

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LOL, not sure why the Marx Communist Manifesto is mentioned here but as for ...

On This Day in 1948

... not today 25 June but in February 1948.

:) Maybe the ABC could do one of their fact checks to clarify matters.

... here you are Darcie - the ABC Topic you were looking for ..........................  :-)

Onya Foxy. I was having trouble finding it too.

 

 

 

Thanks Foxy.   No-one was interested anyway, so I won't bother.   

I am interested in saving the ABC and the SBS -- the Government do not want it because it tells the truth about them and thats what they don't like,  you won't get the other channels telling what the ABC does --  they mostly sprout rubbish

 

Darcie

I'm putting your article to this ABC page so that the members of this Forum can see how far ABC has shifted away from its original charter.... it is too good a contribution to just vanish.

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"I began my working life as an ABC cadet journalist 15 years before ­Michelle Guthrie was born.

As a regional journalist reading my own news bulletin in outback Queensland, as news editor ­responsible for training the first Papuans and New Guineans as journalists, as a foreign correspondent leading a talented team during the Troubles in Northern Ireland, and finally as the ABC’s (only) economics and ­finance correspondent, I was proud to work for the Majestic Fanfare. Today, I would be ashamed to be associated with ABC news and current affairs.

My view is the result of observing, listening and watching the decline of news coverage and output across 70 years. By contrast, ­Guthrie’s real knowledge of the ABC dates only from her appointment as its managing director two years ago.

Our perspectives, understandably, are poles apart. She knows only the organisation she was ­bequeathed; I measure the decline in news values, accuracy, balance, impartiality, leadership and self-control across two generations.

The community’s simmering disquiet with the public broadcaster’s decline in credibility has been trying for years to find its expression in policy terms. The ­recent populist clamour to “sell off the ABC” can be seen as a final incoherent shout from the frustrated and disappointed.

Much nonsense has been talked in arguing that proposition. It misses the point, just as Guthrie’s recent speech to the Melbourne Press Club did.

The speech demonstrated how little she understood of journalism. Not only did she confine her admiration of “hallowed names” of ABC journalists to those who were retired or dead, she also went on to define the role of her journalists as “their relentless drive to ensure that the institutions and processes which are the foundations of our democratic system work to the benefit of that community; their determination to provide a voice for the powerless, the weak and the intimidated; their ability to shine the light on malfeasance and corruption”.

Wrong! That’s exactly the problem with ABC news and current affairs. One might think a managing director who had ­assumed the unearned title of ­editor-in-chief would at least make seeking facts and objective truth the hallmark of a news service. It used not to be difficult to define news in those terms.

Instead, with the ABC there is too much excitement about ­“investigative journalism”, exposing malfeasance and corruption, ­co-operating with newspapers it was formed to distance itself from, and celebrating loudly its petty exposures. If Guthrie’s virtues are the consequence of good news gathering, well and good, but they are not the principal purpose.

ABC news is now trivialised. Every night the flagship 7pm television bulletin runs petty local stories ahead of news of consequence to the nation and the world. The audience decline reflects its loss of credibility.

Sixty years ago I always had to have a coin in my pocket to phone in a story. Today’s technology ­allows pictures and sound to be transmitted wirelessly from an event and put to air live. But the ABC is so seduced by this ability, its policy is to have journalists ­report live every possible story.

That completely distorts news values. Trivial crimes, road accidents and court reports occupy minutes of airtime, a reporter ad-libbing tedious detail against a backdrop that adds nothing.

That supposedly is the new virtue of “immediacy”, but what the viewer notices is the reduction in the number of stories in a bulletin and the foreshortening of major reports. The latest overuse of the technology is the live cross to a press conference. Politicians twigged to the advantage of cutting out the reporter and speaking direct to voters. I have timed them as lasting seven to nine minutes, because they’re hard to interrupt.

When I remonstrated with the ABC that the live-streaming technique put editorial control in the hands of the politicians, editorial policy chief Alan Sunderland replied that immediacy was fundamentally important in a news ­environment. In other words, technology is not merely a tool; demonstrating technical prowess is more important than content.

How the wheel has turned. Forty-five years ago general manager Talbot Duckmanton chided me as London editor for sending voice reports for the morning ­national news: “There’s too much talking in the bulletins,” he said.

The multiplicity of news programs across many radio and TV channels has put supervision of news content in the hands of the producer of each. Gone are the knowledge, wisdom and authority of the chief sub-­editor, who caught mistakes ­before they went to air and put a stop to any juvenile attempts to ­introduce comment or opinion.

ABC news once had a style guide. If it still exists, it’s been ­watered down, or allowed to be flouted. For example, adjectives were banned, except in quotation. Today reporters use them to subtly colour their stories. Preambles and summary conclusions were prohibited because they were comment, potentially indicating how a listener should interpret the item. Opinion, unless as a direct quote, would see the reporter sent back to rewrite. Yet the other day a Washington correspondent took it upon himself to characterise Donald Trump as “a President under siege”, then interpreted his comments about past policies as ­“insulting the other side”.

Such lazy, undisciplined writing goes unremarked, but is understandably seen as evidence of bias. Too often, interviewers don’t just ask questions, they argue.

What explains the ABC’s ­departure from its charter and its own code of practice and editorial guidelines? How does the public get the impression of “groupthink” on issues from Palestine to same-sex marriage to climate change?

The news staff has always been “bolshie” in the sense of rooting for the underdog, critical of authority and politically left in inclination. At the Labor split in the 1950s, half the Brisbane newsroom went down the road and joined the ALP in protest at Vince Gair and the Democratic Labour Party. When BHP announced its first $1 million profit, sub-­editors on the national newsdesk were outraged — until I pointed out it represented only 2 per cent return on its steel assets.

In the past, there was discipline. Personal views were never ­allowed to intrude. Management control and sub-editorial oversight ensured that, and reporters understood instinctively that ­impartiality was fundamentally the basis for public trust. It was our role to provide the facts, not to change the world.

Management lost control with the arrival of current affairs. While news was strictly held to editorial standards — and its journalists were actively deterred from broadcasting — ambitious executives recruited young university graduates to launch current affairs programs — AM and PM on radio, and This Day Tonight on TV.

Fact, analysis, opinion and political ­barrow-pushing — together at times with undergraduate clowning — became inseparably confused.

What’s forgotten is that in 1976 news journalists were on the verge of striking over current affairs ­trying to take over the right to break news. On the day of the Whitlam dismissal, AM/PM staff seized control of the phone circuits to Canberra with the concurrence of senior management, preventing Canberra news staff from filing their stories. Four years later, the growing conflict escalated when ­current affairs tried to cover the national wage case decision in a live broadcast. A strike by journalists was averted only when management brokered a peace deal that involved the two departments sharing the broadcast.

Now, a story that’s never been published. In an attempt to persuade management to impose the same editorial standards on ­current affairs staff and programs, a nationwide journalists’ conference in 1976 voted unanimously to merge news and current affairs. I was studying for my MBA degree part-time, and persuaded John Hunt, a leading behavioural scientist, to conduct the all-day seminar for us for free. Duckmanton ­ignored the findings. It was years before the merger took place, but left current affairs, with its loose editorial principles, ascendant.

At the heart of the community’s frustration with the ABC is its ­refusal to enforce its charter. For more than 30 years it has been fighting to escape ­accountability for its news and current affairs broadcasts. It first resisted government attempts to impose an external complaints ­review body, then ­watered down its internal self-regulatory system so that only the most egregious breaches can be upheld. It amended its editorial policies five times in 10 years. It even introduced a new category of “resolved” to avoid classing a complaint as “rejected” or “upheld”.

It could well be argued that the ABC board is not fulfilling its duty under section 8 (1) (c) of the ABC Act, which requires it: “to ensure that the gathering and pre­sentation by the Corporation of news and information is accurate and impartial according to the recognised standards of objective journalism”.

The ABC board has consistently shown its inability or unwillingness to investigate, let alone enforce, the key attributes, impartiality and objectivity. If it cannot carry out its obligations under the law, it’s time for the government to impose a remedy.

A simple amendment to the act would establish an independent external body — call it an ombudsman — to handle all complaints about breaches of the ABC charter, its code of practice and editorial guidelines. It would bring all programming under the same rules. The internal audience and consumer affairs section only masquerades as independent, a case of the policeman investigating the police.

Nine years ago the ABC proudly published a paper, Change with Continuity, in which it said: “Media professionals need to grow thicker skins. They need to accept more and harsher criticism, disseminate it more readily, correct errors swiftly, be willing to clarify, explain their decisions, acknowledging their misjudgments, and where appropriate, apologise.”

Bringing the broadcasters to heel by making them answer to an external umpire would sidestep the powerful staff interests, ­neutralise Guthrie’s nonsense, and enable the board to restore discipline. With a stroke of the pen, the government could stop the rot."

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/the-rot-set-in-with-current-affairs-and-abc-news-has-since-lost-its-bearings/news-story/06202187428fc0e6b2a14b60f940c8de

 

Thankyou Suze. I appreciate that, and agree with your sentiments.  Geoffrey Luck himself, embodies everything a journalist should be.  

Saving the ABC sounds all warm and fuzzy. I'm pretty sure most people would like to see the ABC retained if they adhered to their charter, especially in reporting. Notice we don't even hear of reporters anymore. They are either journalists or commentators. 

Why are there 4 tv stations by the way? Why do we need ch2 and ch21 showing exactly the same program.?

We need one channel for that horrible music Rage and the other for cartoons.

On the weekend in the morning ABC does not forecast NEWS ...only repeat of some biased claptrap they aired some time before.

SBS has news on but it is foreign tongue ...even the subtitles are in a foreign language ...

one must ask WHY ???

While I think an independent external body (ombudsman) is a good idea the problematic word here is 'independent', because you can bet your bottom dollar that whoever is given the role will not be seen as independent by one side or the other. 

That is the reason why in accordance with the Constitution we have a Monarch currently Queen Elizabeth II whose representative is the Governor General. The Monarch is independent

.... so perhaps we could get Harry and Meghan to be the independent external Body for the national broadcaster which should be ‘accurate and impartial according to the recognised standards of objective journalism’

I contacted the gas ombudsman once with a problem and found out the gas suppliers contrubute to his salary. They are never independent. 

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