Centrelink Process Times

This is an article forwarded from an accountant reflecting on how difficult for the farmers to get help during the drought. She also said how difficult it can be to get the age pension. Are others out there having the same issues?

"Rant warning:
I’m an accountant, with a client base that is 95% farmers. Aside from the usual, lately we’ve been doing a lot of Centrelink work. Either helping clients with Farm Household Allowance forms and a few items they can’t answer, through to filling the whole thing in. I’ve worked with many of these people for 15 years, including through the millennium drought (with EC support payments and interest rate subsidies etc). 
Whilst the forms are not *too* bad (very similar to the age pension forms, which we help a lot of clients with too), what has blown me away is how difficult Centrelink has been to work with recently. Filling in farm viability assessments, we should be spending our time genuinely discussing the business, its operations and options. Instead it’s a form filling exercise in a website that crashes 2-3 times whilst entering (and saving stalls the system and you have to get out and refresh, but not too quickly or it doesn’t actually save the work). It takes 4-5 hours just to get the data in and cross check it. That’s without having any valuable discussion on the business and options. 
But even before we get to that stage, there have been multiple times where documentation has been lost, despite being handed over at the same time, and situations where older asset values from past applications have not been updated with the information from the new form and that with the “new” assets tips the applicant over the asset threshold and they get rejected. There have been multiple round trips of 3 hours a pop to resubmit forms that have been lost (where an older farmer doesn’t have or want a myGov account). There have been hours wasted calling processing centres to ask them how they reached their assessment value when it doesn’t resemble what’s on the form submitted, only to have the staff unable to explain it (the only person who can is the one that did the assessing), and then have them refuse to put us through to the assessor and tell us the only avenue is to relodge (attempt 3), and to call the complaints line if we weren’t happy (you can bet your bottom dollar that we were not, and that we did call and give our polite opinion on how difficult the system is to navigate). Thank heavens for one particular angel who is a caseworker, who was able to empathise, and find the calculations, advise where the issues were (old assets), and how to lodge an appeal that included getting those items removed that were scrapped years ago. 
We are finding similar issues with age pension applications. At least two I have done recently (well kind of recently), took 5 months to process, and one requires a special explanatory letter to point out that the assessor had read the information in the gentleman’s tax return very very incorrectly. I’m not certain how they expect people to survive during these lengthy wait periods! 
I have written a letter to my local member this week, expressing my utter frustration with the holdups with the process, as well as some of fiddly silly rules (such as if you have FMD’s that you plan to pull in next month to plant your next crop with, those FMD’s are off farm assets, and may very well make you ineligible right now, so you have to wait to apply, even though your actual financial position in that financial year is no different). I do not hold high hopes, unless the member has ever been at the mercy of this department. 
I feel for all that deal with Centrelink. However, please don’t let this scare you off seeking help. Instead consider it to be advice to seek help (rural financial counsellors are wonderful individuals, with a free service), and photocopy EVERYTHING. Resubmitting an application or part of one if bits have been lost, is much easier when you’ve got the photocopy to use. And good luck." R Nowland

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Rosret

What your accountant describes above seems to be the trend of most Public Service institutions including the ATO.

When you hand over any documentation - over the counter for example - keep a copy of it and ask the person behind the desk to sign your copy to say they have received theirs.  Otherwise when things inevitably disappear, (as they frequently do into the bowels of Centrelink) you can prove you tendered the document.  

Anpther strategy I found useful was to sit with a Centrelink worker and refuse to move until they had sorted out the problem.  Especially later in the day - amazing how quickly a solution can be found - or a supervisor - when the home time approaches and you are not moving.  

I don't know anything much about Centrelink, but have to say I like your strategy patti, which can be applied everywhere. Don't waste time with the underlings.

I helped a friend apply to the OAP. We completed the forms 13 weeks out and had them checked by a Centrelink officer. All good. Every Friday she got a text from Centrelink saying they’re working on her claim and she didn’t have to do anything. Three weeks until her first payment is due and the text advised that there is a backlog and there may be some delays. Nothing since, I guess she waits until the due date passes and gets on the merry go round

There's been talk of many people waiting 6 months, I know of a couple who are coming up to 9 months.

My own experience was with a Health Care Card application - 4 months. 

After starting to recive an age pension in 2012, in 2016 Centrelink declared my family home an "assett" and as of October 2018 began to demand I repay an18K debt. My first appeal (October 2018) and my second appeal (January 2018) are still under consideration yet, as of this morning, a $288 fortnightly repayments will be deducted from my pension.

Ask to speak to the supervisor in charge, get their name and a receipt number every time, and request they call you back 

I have found from others in similar situations whether it be worker compensation, insurance claims etc. Letting a lawyer or an accountant take control speeds up the process dramatically. Yes they cost money but the heart ache and time wasted without one coupled with the high chance of an unfavourable outcome is not worth it.

Isn't amazing how retrospective claims on centrelink are not possible and yet they can do the opposite to you. One would hope they asked you the value of your home back in 2012?

I think Centrelink needs an audit like the banks too. How would you know where that $288 was going.

My husband had a part payment OAP. We own a house my daughter lives in rent free. We had submitted the Council Rates  Notice as the valuation, which Centrelink happily accepted (a new valuation rate last year).

Suddenly we get notified that he is going to lose the part payment effective immediately, because someone somewhere decided that the property was worth $200,000 more than the rates notice. We don't live in the city. Property prices haven't risen that much. Having got another valuation, we have appealed. Only to be told that it will be AT LEAST 2 MONTHS before they even get round to looking at it.

Seriously? I pity those who actually have no money to live on while Centrelink dithers.

Write to your local member.

Just read the local member's newsletter where he has a rant about the government stuffing up the NDIS and Centrelink. He may be right but what is wrong with his diatribe is that he doesn't say what Labor will do when they get elected. Very easy to have a whinge (God knows it's rife in this site) but much harder to offer a solution.

Old Man I didn't put this up as a political point. Its a bureaucratic mess.

If the Labor party want to take up the misconduct of Centrelink, the faulty software program, the unhelpful, cruel staff, the volumes of unnecssary paperwork, the lack of timeliness of payments, the amazing speed of cancellation and reverse claims, the inability to contact them, the employment of foreign contractors to process claims etc etc then the Labor party have a winner.

However, bureaucracies are so much bigger than any political party - watch the banks cripple the nation as payback for the Royal Commission.

It was six months for us, waiting for a part pension, then another three or more months of it being stuffed up for one reason or another, overpaid one time missed out alltogether another time and so it goes on.  Hours spent trying to sort things out with Centrelink, both on the phone and in person.

Now a little over 12 months down the track and they are reducing our pension because our assets have increased in value, according to them. They haven't bothered to explain just where the increase is occurring and according to our records our assets are actually decreasing and at a rather alarming rate.  So I guess it's back on the merry-go-round for another few months.

It's only a part pension and not a whole lot of money is involved in the reduction. I can't help but wonder if it's even worth the bother.  I'm tempted to just accept their 'new' assessment just to not have to deal with them.   Maybe that's the whole point.

Wow, who would have guessed that sacking so many Public Servants to save money would have such repurcussions?  Answer, practically everyone but the politicians, but then again, the politicians were't affected were they.

Next "Royal Commision "? . I was getting half married pension rate because my wife is not yet pension age . We moved to be nearer our son in Queensland and so sold our house and built a small ca bin on their 5 acre block . Immediatley we lost my pension because our assetts were too high . They told us because our income was so low we could apply for Seniors Healthcare card . Even though they had every bit of information about us for the previous pension payment we had to fill in all the forms , I D etc again . This was done in june and after repeated trips to Centrelink I got the card in October . But , the card did not cover my wife , we were then told she would have to apply for a Low Income card . They then not only wanted all the same information again but also wanted her Birth Cert , copy of our Passport showing we were allowed legally into Australia even though that was 33yrs ago !!! . We are STILL waiting for her card .

Next "Royal Commision "? . I was getting half married pension rate because my wife is not yet pension age . We moved to be nearer our son in Queensland and so sold our house and built a small ca bin on their 5 acre block . Immediatley we lost my pension because our assetts were too high . They told us because our income was so low we could apply for Seniors Healthcare card . Even though they had every bit of information about us for the previous pension payment we had to fill in all the forms , I D etc again . This was done in june and after repeated trips to Centrelink I got the card in October . But , the card did not cover my wife , we were then told she would have to apply for a Low Income card . They then not only wanted all the same information again but also wanted her Birth Cert , copy of our Passport showing we were allowed legally into Australia even though that was 33yrs ago !!! . We are STILL waiting for her card .

Next "Royal Commision "? . I was getting half married pension rate because my wife is not yet pension age . We moved to be nearer our son in Queensland and so sold our house and built a small ca bin on their 5 acre block . Immediatley we lost my pension because our assetts were too high . They told us because our income was so low we could apply for Seniors Healthcare card . Even though they had every bit of information about us for the previous pension payment we had to fill in all the forms , I D etc again . This was done in june and after repeated trips to Centrelink I got the card in October . But , the card did not cover my wife , we were then told she would have to apply for a Low Income card . They then not only wanted all the same information again but also wanted her Birth Cert , copy of our Passport showing we were allowed legally into Australia even though that was 33yrs ago !!! . We are STILL waiting for her card .

Next "Royal Commision "? . I was getting half married pension rate because my wife is not yet pension age . We moved to be nearer our son in Queensland and so sold our house and built a small ca bin on their 5 acre block . Immediatley we lost my pension because our assetts were too high . They told us because our income was so low we could apply for Seniors Healthcare card . Even though they had every bit of information about us for the previous pension payment we had to fill in all the forms , I D etc again . This was done in june and after repeated trips to Centrelink I got the card in October . But , the card did not cover my wife , we were then told she would have to apply for a Low Income card . They then not only wanted all the same information again but also wanted her Birth Cert , copy of our Passport showing we were allowed legally into Australia even though that was 33yrs ago !!! . We are STILL waiting for her card .

Next "Royal Commision "? . I was getting half married pension rate because my wife is not yet pension age . We moved to be nearer our son in Queensland and so sold our house and built a small ca bin on their 5 acre block . Immediatley we lost my pension because our assetts were too high . They told us because our income was so low we could apply for Seniors Healthcare card . Even though they had every bit of information about us for the previous pension payment we had to fill in all the forms , I D etc again . This was done in june and after repeated trips to Centrelink I got the card in October . But , the card did not cover my wife , we were then told she would have to apply for a Low Income card . They then not only wanted all the same information again but also wanted her Birth Cert , copy of our Passport showing we were allowed legally into Australia even though that was 33yrs ago !!! . We are STILL waiting for her card .

Since last October I've been on Centrelink's faceless waiting-list awaiting the outcome of two appeals relating to their probo debt's MEAN means-test, which made my family home an asset and seeks to cut my age pension in half. 

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