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COVID-19 could spread in Aus from unlikely sources

Iran has become the latest epicentre for coronavirus in part because of the Fatima Masumeh Shrine which draws pilgrims from around the world. But what about Australia? Do we have similar, drawing tens of thousands to touch an icon, albeit non-religious?

Poker machines are found in all States. For example, NSW alone has 100,500 machines in clubs, pubs, and casinos. The buttons on each machine are touched by scores of people throughout the day. It would be a safe bet that players, intent on winning, do not wash their hands before and after touching the machine.

Australia has more poker machines per person than any other country on Earth. It would be fair to say they are an Aussie icon.

If this corona scourge ever makes its way into the gaming rooms from tourists having a little flutter, players could find bigger odds than just losing a few dollars.

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Viruses of any kind only attack people with a certain blood group. The panic is out of control people. 

The best advice I have read on these pages comes from musicveg.

Good on you bro, you rock!

Thanks Truthsayer, but please I have to make a disclaimer they are not advice but my opinion and comments from things I have read other than what is on the media.

Just read the Chinese are now using Intravenous Vitamin C for prevention and treatment and also India is using Homeopathy. But most of this is blocked by main stream sources and of course facebook etc.

"Viruses of any kind only attack people with a certain blood group."

If that came from musicveg and that's the best advice they've got 20/20, we will all be rooned!

That sits right up there with the Cambodian advice to put 7 peppercorns on your tongue to prevent infection from COVID 19!

KSS I never posted that about the blood group, thank you

No, he didn't, I did. 

What are you studying KSS?

If it's anything to do with blood, you would not be questionning the validity of that statement. Have no time to send you peer reviewed articles of something I learnt in science class 30 years ago, however, these links may help you somewhat. Good luck!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm... 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/216519

https://www.journals.elsevier.com/virus-research 

https://jvi.asm.org/content/83/1/1

 

It is a known fact that viruses can be spread from hard surfaces -- /air//touching/food/

Rubish about only attacks people of a certain blood group some can have better resistance thats all

 

"Rubbish?"     Your rudeness is only surpassed by your ignorance.

What everyone probably already is aware of but I thought I would share this with you!  [grin] 

 

 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091026172056.htm

Interesting reading about our blood. 

Type O's are the purest, especially O negatives, the universal donors. They have the purest blood, or what Europeans used to call “royal blood”. Because of their purity, they are the most environmentally intolerant and sensitive.

 

Similarly people with blood types A, B, or AB are at a greater risk for coronary heart disease than people with Blood type O, according to a study from Harvard School of Public Health.

Other research has linked non-O blood To greater inflammation, which may help explain the connection. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5061611/

Some viruses are blood-borne 20/20 meaning they are transfered through contaminated blood and other body fluids. But they are transmitted by contaminated blood and body fluids of ALL blood types not only cetain blood types.

 

If you think otherwise can you please provide the relevant peer reviewed references? It would be very useful  in my work dealing with people inected with blood-borne viruses.

 

See above.

What are you studying?

BTW don't knock peppercorns, do your research. Here's a starter:

https://cannabislifenetwork.com/myanmar-recommended-cannabinoids-for-coronavirus/

 

Besides my husband having Leukemia I have had a weak immune system [thyroid] for years and when we go on cruises the doctor prescribes anti viral medication for me. We are both on it now.

It was interesting about three years ago there was a very nasty viral infection going around on the cruise ship we were on, so I started the anti viral tablets.  To my surprise I did not get the infection but a large percentage of the ship did including husband who usually had a strong immune system.

I think it is in the lap of the gods for us now.

From Medscape:

Indications so far are that people with diabetes and other chronic medical conditions, such as cardiovascular disease (CVD), will have a worse prognosis if they become infected with COVID-19, the novel coronavirus that has emerged from China.

 

Trust me, I'm not a doctor!

Yes very true Veritas those people are very vulnerable

 

I am questioning now long a virus can last alive on surfaces if it is not warm or moist? I would think that any virus needs a host to keep it alive.

 

Maybe not long Musicveg,  but how long before someone touches a surface when out and about that someone has just touched, sometimes seconds

I was reading yesterday that this virus and others do need a host, they last on a hard surface only a few minutes and heat destroys them.  Apparently that is why they like to go into the human lung.

 

I was reading yesterday that this virus and others do need a host, they last on a hard surface only a few minutes and heat destroys them.  Apparently that is why they like to go into the human lung.

 

I that case Celia get yourself a blow torch !If the virus likes the lung it's probably because it thrives on oxygen.

I was reading this mornig this nasty little virus can live up to three days on a hard surface! Not what I wanted to hear, so I am going around wiping down door handles, surfaces and light switches.

From the NHS site, Uk.

Many different types of viruses can cause colds. The viruses can sometimes survive on indoor surfaces for more than 7 days. In general, viruses survive for longer on non-porous (water-resistant) surfaces, such as stainless steel and plastics, than porous surfaces, such as fabrics and tissues. Although cold viruses have been shown to survive on surfaces for several days, their ability to cause an infection reduces rapidly and they don't often survive longer than 24 hours.

Most viruses which cause colds only survive on hands for a short amount of time. Some only last for a few minutes but 40% of rhinoviruses, a common cold-causing virus, are still infectious on hands after an hour.

Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), another cold-like virus that can cause serious illness in children, can survive on worktops and door handles for up to 6 hours, on clothing, and tissues for 30 to 45 minutes and on skin for up to 20 minutes.

Sounds like it is different times for different viruses. I still think the odds are small.

You would think that labs would have tested how long this virus lasts outside a host on different surfaces already? I did google the answer to this question some time back and the answer was that most viruses can last up to 9 hours outside a host but it was not yet known how long this virus could last. It was definite though that all viruses are destroyed very quickly by disinfectants.

My question is if disinfectant can kill the virus what are the ingredients of the disinfectant that kill them, are they harmful to us? Is eucalyptus, tea tree and lavender as good?

 

 

I wouldn't mind betting that eucalyptus and tea tree oils are capable of destroying the virus but not sure about lavender. I'm no expert on these things though but I'm depending on eucalyptus to do the job of hand sanitisers that I can't get because all sold out. I reckon methylated spirits would probably work well as a hand sanitiser too.

 

 

According to reports, Ny19, a homemade hand sanitiser needs to be at least 60% alcohol to be effective

Well they stated on 7.30 reports special on the coronavirus that washing hands with soap and water is more effective than hand sanitsers.

Guess what, colds and flu are caused by coronaviruses! Just not the COVID 19!

 

 

With all this talk about these virus issues I am surprised nobody has come up with household bleach!

I don't think just washing the hands is good enough, we like to use a nail brush as it would amaze some folks how much gets into the cuticle and under the nail itself, not seen by the human eye.

 

https://home.howstuffworks.com/bleach2.htm 

When we were transferred to the UK for 3 years and returned we had a headache of getting back into Oz.   Anything that came from the UK where Foot and Mouth had been prevalent were inspected like a hawk, so I wrapped up the secateurs & other goodies that could be question in kitchen paper soaked in bleach! Everything came through the inspections.

I personally use bleach to keep the house clean being aware that the cats or dogs should not walk on some surfaces till they are dry.  We also have Sauber steam cleaner which is very good.

 

 

You are correct Celia about getting into all the nooks and crevices when washing hands. However, a scrubbing brush is not necessary and the brush itself can harbour the virus between washing.

You just have to wash frequently and properly not just a quick rinse under the tap like most people do even after using the toilet.

Correction: Above I said a virus can last up to 9 hours outside a host. I meant 9 days. 

The nail brush and the antibacterial soap is what we use, can only hope using this cleans the nail brush too.

On that topic I think I will put the nail brushes into soak in Bleach!

I was of the belief that metho, 99% methyl alcohol killed everything, bacteria, viruses, brain cells, but only if you drink it. It turns out I was wrong.

Methyl alcohol (methanol) has the weakest bactericidal action of the alcohols and thus seldom is used in healthcare.

I guess that applies to single malt whiskey as well. Damn!

Good to know that, thanks Veritas.

Poker machines, casino chips, door knobs, railings etc, buy yourself disposable gloves, face mask  and alcohol saturated wipes. 

 

The alcohol must be 70%!

That bottle of scotch doesn't cut it, sorry.

 

Just use good hand hygiene by washing your hands with soap and water for a minimum 20 seconds (sing happy birthday twice). And do it frequently. And stop touching your eyes, nose and mouth.

Alcohol wipes are 70%

 

This chart is updated many times a day and give a picture of the virus extent in the world .....  maybe not complete but a good indication how the virus is groing .......

This info comes from the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) is a research collective housed within the Department of Civil and Systems Engineering (CaSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU).

 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3NpmK6XVg25pS0h21MOaj-Wt5UAB6Ol-xpTMj6_0iyAPjBpFjxOsPMDU0#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

 

Why are there not cases in Russia & Mongolia?

Yest here  are about 13 cases move the map with your cursos then click on the red circle in russia to see more actual numbers

 

Not many for such a large country, and Africa does not have many either, I guess because they do not travel as much.

Viruses will attack anyone & anything as their means of propogation (living) is to take over the cellular mechganism of their host. Fortunately our body defences have been primed to many such attacks, but as they mutate so fast, our defences can be compromised! This situation is ideal for virus & bacterial attacks. One's blood group does not make one immune. It is how well & aware our defence mechanism that helps tp determine any effect. Viruses also can be specific to specific hosts, be they human or animsl.Naturally, keeping away from crowded places where they may lurk unknowingly, will help.

mechanism, not machganism!

 

mechanism, not machganism!

 

Viruses will attack anyone & anything as their means of propogation (living) is to take over the cellular mechganism of their host. Fortunately our body defences have been primed to many such attacks, but as they mutate so fast, our defences can be compromised! This situation is ideal for virus & bacterial attacks. One's blood group does not make one immune. It is how well & aware our defence mechanism that helps tp determine any effect. Viruses also can be specific to specific hosts, be they human or animsl.Naturally, keeping away from crowded places where they may lurk unknowingly, will help.

Hope you're not planning to be a virologist skinner - you just failed your finals!

Two questions I'd like to ask a microbiologist are: once a person recovers from the COVID-19 illness, are they immune from future infections of the same virus?

Coronavirus has already mutated from the L to the S version (according to Chinese researchers). What are the chances of a third mutation if not contained and it spreads throughout the wider community?

Trust me, I'm not a doctor.

Two questions I'd like to ask a microbiologist are: once a person recovers from the COVID-19 illness, are they immune from future infections of the same virus? ( No..the severity of a further attack greatly depends on the condition of your immune system).

Coronavirus has already mutated from the L to the S version (according to Chinese researchers). What are the chances of a third mutation if not contained and it spreads throughout the wider community? ( Since all viruses mutate, we are learning nothing new from the Chinese researchers. Different viruses mutate at different speeds).

The people who died from COVID-19 had pre-existing medical conditions.

 * Not a doctor or microbiologist..but have family members who are.

Thanks, Sophie.

I was once told by a nurse (who later went on to become Matron of a major hospital) that even washing our hands can be problematic.    We turn the tap on with our 'dirty' hands and wash our hands thoroughly, then what do we do?  Turn the tap off again picking up any germs we deposited earlier.  I never really thought much about that over the years but now I can't get it out of my head.  LOL.  Doctors always use their elbows to turn the taps off, as that long ago nurse lectured told me.

Not all taps are easy to turn off with your elbow and those hand blower things in public toilets mean there often isn't any paper to use. 

There is always toilet paper I suppose, but ...

 

Don't use the blower's they just spread germs around. Clean paper towel and use that to turn the tap off, also I use it to open the door or the sleeve of my clothing anything not to touch door handles after washing. Also make sure you do not touch your face and clean hands again before eating or preparing food, normal precautions just with a little more thought.

Have read the latest instructions which say, after washing hands thoroughly as described ... dry hands on clean paper towel then turn off tap using same paper towel to avoid recontamination, dispose of towel in lidded bin. Use a new paper towel for exiting facility dispose of in nearest bin.

We can only try I guess.

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