Cut Welfare CentreLink Payments
What would happen if centrelink cut all welfare payments?
Could it be on the way out?
In this thought in this new generation budget cuts?
Could it cause mass destruction in crime an starvation?
What do you think on this issue?
The problem radish is in Australia we are giving not enough payment to those who need it and giving payments to those who do not .
Family benefits brought in by Howard is an example , so is bulk billing to the wealthy so is giving govt payments to those allready on full pay PPL .
If we cut these out we could afford to pay the needy more ..
as I have said we should means test all govt payments..,
Pete:
Spot on! It never ceases to amaze me the amount of money extremely wealthy schools (King's, just to mention one) get from the government. It not only amazes me, I simply don't understand why.
It never ceases to amaze me where you can have neighbours both doing the same Job both paying the same tax..
one decides to send his children to the local catholic school one decides to send his children to the local public school .
The child who goes to the public school will receive 15,000 in support from governments the child who goes to he catholic school will receive half this amount..
As 35 per cent of parents choose non govt schools and 75 per cent of these choose catholic schools why the discrimination...
in both cases the money does not go direct to the school but to a centralised beurocracy who decide how much each school gets .
In regard to the remaining ten per cent of Church of England schools jewish schools. Muslim schools Steiner schools and non denomination schools . They get even less money per student than the catholic school the money goes direct to the schools and is decided on a needs basis at the moment by post code so the poorer suburbs get the money ..
In the secondary system, Loretto Mandeville Hall in Toorak gets the most money beyond normal federal entitlements ($3186 per student), followed by the Adass Israel School in Elsternwick ($3069), Genazzano FCJ College in Kew ($2844) and St Kevin's College in Toorak ($2722). At primary school level, St Cecilia's Parish School students, in Glen Iris, topped the list ($2721), followed by Our Lady of Victories Parish School in Camberwell ($2704).
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Under the funding model, schools are funded according to the socio-economic status of the families who attend. However, some private schools are funded at higher rates because they were given guarantees when the "socio-economic status" system was introduced in 2001 that they would have their funding maintained — even if they qualified for less under the new model.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/twothirds-of-private-schools-overfunded-20080529-2jk4.html#ixzz33f1ag1kb
What's your point Geo the money to Catholic schools is distributed by the Catholic education authority .
The fugures are roughly without looking them up 15,000 per student in public 8,000 grand to catholic schools and 6000 to the others this is of course per head not individual schools .,,
Quote Radish "Being reliant on unemployment benefits for a lifetime is unsustainable in the long term. As it is we have families where neither mother or father have ever worked and the children are being brought up to think this is the way to go for them as well. This has to be stopped."
Radish, I wonder if you think before you write. You make statements of a general nature without any knowledge of facts. The percentage of long term unemployed is tiny but you make it sound as if is quite common.
I wonder if you have ever gone hungry because of lack of funds - I think not.
I feel that I was lucky when a youngster I got a job in Melbourne with a pay packet of £5 12s 6d per fortnight. Out of that I paid £5 p/f rent on a room to live in. I had to pay bus fares to get to work and buy food so there was nothing left over. A few of us would go to the Victoria markets on a Saturday morning and beg for food they might have to throw out as they shut for the weekend. We usually were able to share a bag of potatoes. We walked everywhere apart from the bus to work.
Yes, I consider that I was lucky.
If I was starting off again today and could not get a job and was refused newstart then I would have to steal food to survive.
Unfortunately it is the ones who have been lucky (wealthy) who are the ones to deride the unfortunate ones among us.
Unfortunately also is the fact that there is a growing gap between the haves and havenots which is being made worse by the present government.
Gerry, I beg your pardon!
Radish, I wonder if you think before you write. You make statements of a general nature without any knowledge of facts. The percentage of long term unemployed is tiny but you make it sound as if is quite common.
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Natasha Bita Sunday Mail (SA) November 03, 2012 10:00PM
ONE in seven South Australian children lives in a family where no one works - and federal agencies blame the lost generation on welfare "largesse".
Unemployed families in SA now outnumber the "working families", in which both parents have full-time jobs.
Damning data reveals that 612,416 Australian children - or one-in-eight - have both parents out of work.
The situation is even worse in South Australia, where 46,988 children - or 14.4 per cent - are living in jobless families, according to Census data provided to the Sunday Mail by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
One in five "couple families" in Victoria relies on welfare.
In 21.8 per cent of families, no one works - which is higher than the 19.3 per cent of families in which both parents work.
A single parent with one child pockets $30,000 per year in welfare payments - as much as a cleaner, labourer or shop assistant earns working for the minimum wage.
Four federal government agencies - including the departments of Employment and Workplace Relations, and Families and Human Services - have warned of welfare "largesse", in a joint submission to the Senate inquiry into the adequacy of Newstart unemployment benefits.
A single parent with one child will receive, on average, about $30,000 per year through the Parenting Payment, Family Tax Benefit, Rent Assistance, supplements for telephone allowance, and a pensioner concession card, the submission states.
"This is the equivalent of working ... 72 hours a fortnight or, essentially, a couple of hours short of a full-time job at minimum wage," it says.
The departments argue that jobless single parents have an incentive to work because they will still receive Family Tax Benefit of up to $182 per week, depending on how much they earn.
"Nevertheless, with a (welfare) payment of $30,000 per annum ... there can be little doubt that the incentive to work is at least partially mitigated by the largesse of the broader social security system," they state in their submission.
National Welfare Rights Network president Maree O'Halloran wants the Government to double its wage subsidy scheme to encourage employers to hire the long-term unemployed.
Radish
ONE in seven Queensland kids lives in a family where no one works - and government agencies are blaming the lost generation on welfare "largesse".
Unemployed families are almost as common as "working families" in which both parents have full-time jobs.
Damning new data reveals that 612,416 Australian children - or one in eight - have both parents out of work.
2012 so how that is relevant now I am not sure considering the cut to single parents to Newstart etc that caused a storm . Funny how SA and QLD had exact same one in seven from the same author eh . Now on top of the single parent cut by Labor the coalition in the budget is going to go after plan A or B thing cut . My point is what has this to do with now or current numbers ?
Are you suggesting a woman who loses her partner by whatever means should have no income to feed and clothe children under eight or six ?
same author article 2012
JOBLESS STATS AUSTRALIA
Children: 4.65 million
Children in families where no one works: 612,416
% children in jobless families: 13%
Couple families no one working: 900,000 (19%)
Couple families - both parents working full-time: 1 million (22%)
Source: Australian Bureau of Statistics 2011 Census. Figures rounded. Children aged 0-17 living with their parents
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/some-kids-never-see-their-parents-working/story-e6freoof-1226509821060
Crikey no wonder we had to get the Libs back in to create jobs the jobless Rose 220,000 under labor .
Gerry:
When I arrived in Australia I had a bit of cash with me, but very little and it soon dissapeared. I had to get a job doing anything to sustain me. One of the first job I had was working on the construction of the platform to departures at the airport in Sydney. Not having worked as a blue collar worker in my life it made my existence miserable, but like it or not I had to pursue it, the rest is history. I could winge, cry, etc., but you know what? it taught me about real life - I would do it all over again.
Shame you actually had to sweat for money..........I did it all my life
Crikey! After reading these last few posts it's almost time to get the violins and Kleenex out! :-( jokin' ..... in all seriousness I find it interesting to read what has happened to people throughout their lives - some of it not so easy!
Wabbit the male impersonator has leapt from his wheelchair ( I hope that centrelink saw him) to attack me again.
It is actually a bunny girl with a job in Cranbourne which is just up the road from it's abode near the sea. Don't forget to pin on your tail to let the punters know what you mean and how much you charge.
It's the lust for money Foxy to outdo your neighbours.....tread on the Jones's.
What did you do for a loaf of bread?........Pm me or these nutters will collect info for a slanging match.
Greens Senator Rachel Siewart says it proves the Government knows the budget cuts will force more young people into destitution.
"I think it shows they know these measures will force people into crisis situations, it will cause significant financial hardship, it will put people into poverty, and that they need to provide some funding for emergency relief services to go some way towards addressing that," she said.
She said people living on Newstart did want to find work.
"In all the work that I've been doing, I have not met one person who has said to me, 'I'm really happy living on Newstart, I really want to stay here living in poverty'.
"We need to be making sure that we are providing the support to overcome barriers to employment, and [providing] the appropriate training that enables people to find work."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-05/500000-australians-may-need-emergency-aid-after-budget-cuts/5501532
What a load of bollocks ..
what is the current situation a 16 year old can leave school or continue . If they carry on until 18 which the majority do . They can go to univercity all accepted .,If they go to univercity they will get a grant of 4000 each year plus the youth allowance these are means tested against the parents so the disadvantaged benefit . If they move away from home they also get rent allowance . On top of this they get 60 per cent of their course paid for and their 40 per cent they start paying back when earning over 50 grand ..
if the 16 year old wants to do a trade he goes to Tafe which are run by the States and charge exorbitant fees.
Or they can go on the dole at 16 so a parent who has been looking after the child for sixteen years is not going to support their child for six months whilst they find a job or just suddly say no longer my problem taxpayers will pay .
The govt is going to change this by offering for the first time those who want to go to tafe or in any other way earn a diploma a hecs scheme the same as Uni kids .
It will also offer scholarships to Uni for the disadvantaged ...20,000 I think?
To partial pay for this they will say to parents your kid is your responsibility for another six months and lower the amount we pay for Uni kids degrees from sixty per cent to 40 per cent .
Overall the amount going into education rises by 9 per cent compound year on year into the forward estimates ...
What a load of bollocks ..
what is the current situation a 16 year old can leave school or continue . If they carry on until 18 which the majority do . They can go to univercity all accepted .,If they go to univercity they will get a grant of 4000 each year plus the youth allowance these are means tested against the parents so the disadvantaged benefit . If they move away from home they also get rent allowance . On top of this they get 60 per cent of their course paid for and their 40 per cent they start paying back when earning over 50 grand ..
if the 16 year old wants to do a trade he goes to Tafe which are run by the States and charge exorbitant fees.
Or they can go on the dole at 16 so a parent who has been looking after the child for sixteen years is not going to support their child for six months whilst they find a job or just suddly say no longer my problem taxpayers will pay .
The govt is going to change this by offering for the first time those who want to go to tafe or in any other way earn a diploma a hecs scheme the same as Uni kids .
It will also offer scholarships to Uni for the disadvantaged ...20,000 I think?
To partial pay for this they will say to parents your kid is your responsibility for another six months and lower the amount we pay for Uni kids degrees from sixty per cent to 40 per cent .
Overall the amount going into education rises by 9 per cent compound year on year into the forward estimates ...
As usual you ignore what the article is about but then again did your read it . Its about the 200 odd million in the budget for emergency relief because of the extreme measures in the budget ie six months wait for the dole . Why waste our and your time typing stuff while ignoring the article ?
I believe it is a parent's responsibility to look after their child...not the taxpayer at all.
I see nothing wrong with them going to Tafe for 6 months at all.
Or put them in the army,navy,airforce.
Kids can go to tafe for a course to get a diploma the govt will offer them the same hecs type scheme as Uni students for the first time plus pay them a youth allowance ..
the states run tafe colleges and charge high fees labor forced them to raise prices ..
Sorry that should read the taxpayer will pay 50 per cent of a degree course ..
So what's the problem then for those parents of kids who are not going to go on and learn at taxpayers expense , they are going to chuck them out into the streets and the govt had budgeted aid for them .Do why are you getting your nickers in a knot.
Reply to geomac who manages to find a cloud in every silver lining .
To answer your post Jackass, it would indeed be interesting if welfare payments were cut out entirely.
Of course it won't happen...BUT I can see the day where there may be a time limit as in some other countries, where you only get say 6 months on unemployment benefits and then you are on your own.
Being reliant on unemployment benefits for a lifetime is unsustainable in the long term. As it is we have families where neither mother or father have ever worked and the children are being brought up to think this is the way to go for them as well. This has to be stopped.
In South Africa and also America, so I have been told, you cannot stay on unemployment benefits for ever, but as I have not done any research myself I dont know if what I have been told is correct. I do not believe Singapore has a system such as ours either.
I have heard this by word of mouth only from people who have at one time or other resided in these countries.