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How many people can be in one car?

Just a corvid-19 question.

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Hubby volunteers for one of those community help services.  He drives people (like dialysis patients for example), to doctor and hospital appointments and the like.  They have just been told no more than two passengers in a car and four in a bus.  That's those mid-size buses you see around, often with wheelchair access.

Also, there are rules in place for where they are actually to be seated.  

 

Thanks Leonie and stay safe to your hubby.

This is another hurdle to the virus, since it is known that it can survive on non porous surfaces for days would that mean spraying/sanitizing the vehicle every trip, especially cabs taking different passengers.

I see they are spraying with industrial machines the streets and buildings in infected towns.  

That's actually what they are doing, spraying after every trip. The cars reek of Glen20. :)  They are being particularly careful because the people they are carrying are very vulnerable.  

There are masks available for passengers who will be asked to wear one if the driver feels it is necessary, like if they have a cough.  Hand sanitizers are available for use on every trip as well.  The number of clients has dropped dramatically but some have no choice and have to attend hospital appointments.  Dialysis patients can't really self-isolate. 

Non-essential trips to respite centres and the like have pretty much stopped though. 

 

All my best to you, your hubby and his vulnerable passengers Leonie.

Yes Leonie, the public forget about this on going issue with chemo and dialysis.

Good luck to your husband with his work.

I sprayed my car with Glen 20 when it came back from being serviced the other day.

 

 

Taxi's here in Melb. right now are allowed 2 in the back - so that's 3 peeps with driver .....

Best wishes to "you and yours" Leonie - and everyone actually ............   :)

 

I reckon as many as are living together in your house, you've either  all got it or you haven't.

But if you've 'all got it' then are you allowed out?

Me thinks not.

 

 

They have developed a simple finger prick blood test to determine if one has had it or not. This may become available to all of us in future months and those with antibodies should be given a test to determine they no longer carry the virus and then an ID card if they are fully recovered and definitely be allowed out to live life normally. What would be the point of keeping them locked up?

 

 

If you have it, why would you want to go out?

Ny19, the fear surrounding this virus is they don't really know everything about it.

Is an imune person a carrier? If you have had it once, can you get it again/is it worse second time, does it stay in your system/mutate? etc.

 

Nobody is 'locking' anybody up that is not infected. At the moment islotation seems to be the most effective measure for those testing positive.  

If the finger prick test is months away should'nt we err on the side of caution till then.  

 

Nose Hair Bob, I am not suggesting that we don't err on the side of caution before the blood test becomes available. In fact I wrote somewhere else that isolation for 2 weeks for those who have tested positive is possibly not enough precisely because we don't know enough about it. A friend who is a doctor said he thought it should be 4 weeks at a minimum because it is thought to incubate for approx 1 week and then be symptomatic for up to 3 weeks or longer. I have not been able to find reputable information anywhere as to how long this virus stays active in one's system and I find that rather curious. Also of interest is the huge gap in the stats between those who have it and those believed to be cured. For example, (and I am making up figures here because I don't have any at my fingertips) they say in stats something like 3,600 confirmed for Australia and 500 of those are cured. The gap is too big, even for China which is so far down the track now and it makes me question why? Will see if I can find a proper example.

 

 

Here's the stats which I just got from a site RnR put up the link to:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

World: Total confirmed: 662, 073

            Total deaths: 30,780

            Total recovered: 139,426

 

Italy:  Total confirmed: 92,472

           Total deaths: 10,023

           Total recovered: 12,384

 

The gaps between the confirmed and recovered are huge which indicates the virus does stay in the system much longer than 2 weeks.

 

 

Here is something that will expand on your knowledge!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3959940/

Wow, sobering read thank you Celia

"Healthy carrier"...

That article is not relevant to today's virus, sorry Celia.

Here is something that will even expand your knowledge more:

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/opinion-post/logic-the-first-casualty/

Yes it is Incognito stop being picky!

It indicates that people can be a carrier without having symptoms.

... all I know on the "Question n Answer" bit on the News the other night - the Drs. don't know for sure ...IF a person can get it again......they don't know ...it's too "new" ....... or so they said?

So that is why I said Celia's article was not relevant, it is a new virus and not researched enough, all a bit iffy even the "experts" don't know. We need the test for antibodes for a start, the current method may not be good enough and they are only testing those with symptoms (mainly).

Are you a scientist or virologist? 

Studies show carriers with mild or no symptoms are key part of COVID-19 spread

Some spread with no symptoms

A study out of Japan underscores the number of COVID-19 carriers who show no symptoms. One focused on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that was placed under quarantine in Japan in early February 2020 when it was discovered a former passenger tested positive for the virus.

That study found that 634 out of 3,063 tests administered to quarantined passengers came back positive.  It is estimated that about 17.9% of those positive patients showed no symptoms. 

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This would suggest there is some relevancy to Celia's comment.

From the ABC's live blog, 30 March 2020 ...

Hi my question is how many people can travel in one car?

- Garry

Stay home whenever possible, but if you have to drive somewhere, limit the number of people as much as possible (i.e. to two at the maximum or the people in your household). If you're going to the shops, only one or two people can go inside the shop.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-live-updates-covid-19-latest-news-new-restrictions/12101046

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