Lambie's emotional senate speech

you may have seen jacqui lambie's impassioned speech in the senate telling us all how difficult it was to be on a disability pension.

don't fall for it.  this woman just voted for a rise in senator's pay.

its all acting.  her vote clearly shows where her priorities lie.

most people are easily fooled and think she is battling for the battler while she quietly votes herself a healthy pay rise!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-23/praise-for-lambies-emotional-senate-speech/8381726

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Viv,

I was on an apprentice advisory board and an examiner of apprentices and saw the collapse of the apprentice scheme or system, not only in job numbers but standards as well.

I have trained a large number of apprentices in the aviation field and was a Qantas trained apprentice, this was of 5 years duration and to a very high standard.

What we have today is a shadow of its former self, changed more for political reasons than anything else.

There is still a need for well trained tradesmen but we do not appear to be interested in the investment required for training.

A tragedy for the country.

SD

 

Shaggy hi.

That applies to many occupations in Australia.

Then we find there is nobody to fill the positions and we bring more people in.

Doesn't make any sense.  Husband was always onto the firm he worked for, Engineering multi national to train people.  But it fell on deaf ears.

I remember a few years ago when we had some tiling done in the kitchen the tiler was talking about his father.

He worked for a manufacturing roof tiler.

There was a new profile made and the firm had sales in the USA but nobody to show the builders how to put them onto the roof.    This guys father was sent to the USA.

The builders walked out on the Lecture...why?

Because they said that they don't have anyone instructing them that is not American, they are American and only take instruction from their own kind.

So the guys father had to train one American who in turn taught the other builders.

True story.

Yes, it is very sad SD.

It sure was a tragedy when they abolished the apprenticeship scheme and now we are paying the price.

Was talking to step son and he said he is willing to take on apprentices but some of the ones fronting up would be just useless.

However, that said he took on two females...one did not last the distance but the other one is fantastic.

Raddy,

If I retained two out of five starters I reckoned I was doing well. Usually had one real good one out of five.

It is not for everyone, something govts are not aware of, they think you can train just anybody.

SD

Having worked for TAFE for twenty years I can tell ou that the role of that institution has changed dramatically.  When I started in the organisation it was all about quality of training, this caused a lot of waste as quality of training was the only consideration.  The government then change dthe culture by insisting that budgets were set and all courses were delivered ithin the budget, this worked really well and the trainoing quality actually improved.

Around 1990 the government decided that it wanted to make TAFE make a profit, this decimated the system as the focus changed from quality training to making a profit.  As TAFE was expected to compete with Private Enterprise who could pick and choose what it wanted to deliver it was forced to cut corners, this led to a general decline in training quality.

Private Providers did not go near anything to do with Heavy Engineering as it was too expensive in regard to consumables, yet TAFE was compelled to offer these courses as a public service.  This led to inequality in the training sphere as the Private Providors took on the profitable areas and left the unprofitable ones to TAFE.

This has led to a general deteriation of the quality of training in TAFE.  Just another example of a government trying to privatise services without thinking of the consiquences.

 

 

PS,

You possibly have point when it comes to excessive quality but the deterioration in standards were very obvious to me some 30 years ago. It continued to deteriorate from that point on.

I quoted the old adage to management and those that were degrading the system on many occasions. "If you think training is expensive, try ignorance."

I used to make an ex apprentice, once CASA licenced , supervise major maintenance on an aircraft, then issue the Maintenance Release where he signed off as the responsible engineer for all the work carried out.

It was interesting to watch the expression on a young blokes face as he watched the aircraft take off on its first flight following this heavy maintenance. The message came home that this was no game, there were no short cuts and there was only one standard that was good enough.

Take it easy.

SD

When in the UK in 2000 we were having some maintenance done to the garage.

Talk about a laugh.  Double garages in the UK in 2000 with a lift door was as rare as hens teeth.  The door that we had to use did not work, it was very heavy timber too.

Got talking to the guy that was trying to fix it, he said that they are sending men to Australia to teach them how to build and how come Australian builders are not educated....we hit the roof and he looked surprised!  eeeks!

Lambie's croc tears worked on a lot of people I see.

I'm not a fan of Hanson but see the sense in her comment as follows:

“I started working in a shop serving at 12 years of age, and started a fulltime job at 15 years of age. I had my first child at 17 and my second by the time I was 21,” Hanson said.

“I was a single mother at 22 and having to work, so I know what being a battler is about. I found the money to put food on the table to feed my two children, and I made sure they could eat... Unless we pull back the deficit of this country, we will not have the money to support the aged, the sick and the necessary (sic) in future generations.”

I am not a fan of Pauline's either but I agree with what she said i.e. "Unless we pull back the deficit of this counry, we will not have the money to support the aged, the sick and necessary (sic) in future generations"

Yesterday I watched a program re the Great Depression in Australia.  It brought home to me what my parents went through and talked about.  It was a very sobering program. We never want that in this country ever again!!

Raddy,

I think the average joe can tell you what the problems are with the country, it is finding folk with the wherewithall to fix the problems. They appear to be a bit thin on the ground.

I have some doubt a background in fish and chips is really the qualifications required. Even our pollies, most of whom appear to have University degrees or business backgrounds appear to have run out of solutions, though in the case of many pollies I am not too sure they even recognise the problems.

The system of government itself appears to be broken.

I think I might go fishing, it's all too depressing.

Take it easy.

SD

 

By all means spend a day sitting on a bank or in a boat contemplating lifes' mysteries.  You may even catch a fish, and that will be a bonus.

Taking it easy.

Shaggy I always remember what Tammie Frazer said in the 1970s

'Malcolm doesn't have a clue how much it costs to buy an icecream'!

I doubt many Politicians do, I don't think they are street smart either, do you?

Shaggy I always remember what Tammie Frazer said in the 1970s

'Malcolm doesn't have a clue how much it costs to buy an icecream'!

I doubt many Politicians do, I don't think they are street smart either, do you?

I will join you SD !!

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I think Kika's comment is a bit harsh.  Jackie Lambie was obviously talking about the past when she was on a disability pension, and I think that she expressed her true feelings about that time.  I agree that the pay politicians receive often makes it hard for them to empathise with lower paid people, but I think the two issues are separate. 

Jackie Lambie was addressing the issue of child care being reduced for families on welfare if each partner doesn't work, volunteer, study or look for work for four hours a week.  This might seem fair enough to some people, and little enough to others, and obviously the LNP Government and their hangers on (Greens, yes you) think so.  But child care is an important part of early childhood education, and should not be denied to a child just because its parents do not fulfil some some arbitrary criteria.  The parents' circumstances are not their child's fault, and the child should not be punished for it.

Just nice to see a politician who is willing to be open about their history, an ounce of empathy is worth a pound of political BS.

I think this is an interesting topic - I've been meaning to write a thread about politicians being out of touch etc.  My thoughts are that it's pretty hard for someone who has had an affluent life to understand, really understand the challenges that go with being poor.  It doesn't make them bad people but I don't see how they can "get it" if they haven't experience hard times.

So I commend someone, like Jackie Lambie disclosing her tough times.

I had a bit of an "aha moment" some month s ago...background that explains this...many years ago my husband and I fell on difficult times, he lost his job, we had just moved I to a new house but couldn't even afford light globes for all the rooms, we're on centrelink etc. - not nice.  We worked hard to change our position, I found work, at Coles, then did a short course, got a better job the completed a degree and got a great job, hard times were behind us.  

My aha moment happened at an event where one of the people present needed $50 for something he had ordered - he hadn't realized it was ready to collect...this man looked embarrassed and said he needed prior notice to pay etc.  I'm embarrassed to say that I thought to myself, "well just go to the eftpos and get the money".   I then had that moment when I remembered how years ago I wouldn't have had the $50 in my account etc.   

My point with this story is that I was shocked with myself at how easily I'd momentarily forgotten how some folk have very limited funds...so, if someone like myself can "forget" what hope is there for politicians or business people who have NEVER had lean times, how can they get it ?  

Yes CinyLou, very apt!

CindyLou

Good post.

SD

Sorry, Greens, you voted against this bill.  But one never knows with you.

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