Plan B are you suggesting that we do not help Iraq destroy ISIS . But leave them in control of cities and Towns. To commit their barbaric acts. 

No not at all Brocky but there are so many innocent people being killed that have nothing to do with this mess the world is in and we,  the USA and the British have invaded and killed in so many countries so often it is beyond a joke -- so many countries we should have NEVER gone to war with.

I guess what I am saying too is they can spend TRILLIONS to kill but just a few cents to help people.    Wars make a LOT of money for a few people.

Certainly Trump would agree with you Plan B .

He feels the American Txpayers have spent trillions in the Middle East for no result Theresa May's speech to the Reublicsns makes good reading .She says the days of interfering in other countries to impose out values is over .

If we can't be sure of changing things for the better we should not interfere. I have spoken to a few Iraqees who say they actually felt safer under Hussein, as he kept up law and order.

Yes Ann and don't forget John Howard -- he was quick to follow idiot Bush into war too,  they all should be had up for war crimes.

I agree re what you said about Saddam too

Saddam was a murderouse thug . 

He led his people into a war with Iran where millions died 

he invaded Kuwait . 

He was from a small religiouse group who murderef others including the Marsh Arabs and Kurds who he used poison gas on .

He fired Scud rockets supplied by Russia into Israel 

Should we have had the second gulf war . Probably not , after the first Gulf war which was supported by 29 countries to liberate Kuwait . We imposed a no fly zone over the Kurd area and southern Iraq . 

Yes Brocky Saddam was a horrid bloke evil as,  but it seems there has been so much more evil done even after his murder.

Yes Plan B looking at History in the rear view mirror is interesting but speculation .

Would Britain when it stood alone without US and facing the might of Germany and USSR who were allies been better off letting Communists and Nazis and Fascists fight it out and stayed like Ireland Neutral and US at the time .

Yes Ex PS.

It would need some very strong people to keep those tribes in order.

Regarding the War Brocky, wasn't it a case of what is happening now?

The Sunnis v Shiites....[Saudi in one corner and Iran in the other]

Look at the Arabian pininsular!   [Yemen]  another tribal festering...

Yes Ann I believe you are correct . 

Both countries are wealthy and spreading their gospel world wide .

i agree with Trump and Theresa May . 

We are better off out of it ,

Plan B When I say Britain stood alone against the might of the Axis . 

I of course include Australia and Canada NZ and SA as we were all British .

Ann how awful for your dear Husband  AND yourself too -- it must have been and still is VERY hard for you,  I am guessing that your Husband is no longer with us?

To think that these war mongers like Bush etc etc etc never even did their time -- they got out with many excuses same as Dick Cherney etc  but it is they who make a fortune out of it

Hi Plan B.

Yes he is my late husband, many years ago.  He went back to his homeland and did not hear from him for months, had to get the Foreign Affairs to find him for me.

Came back home as if nothing had happened!   I think he got confused a lot and then became very parranoid.

Hubby now was born 20 miles from where I was born in Hampshire UK.....his parents took him to Rhodesia as a 12 year old and my parents came to Perth. We did not know eachother then.  We celebrate our 25th Wedding Anniversary in Nov. 

Yes it was very stressful, especially for two young sons who did not understand what was going on.....that is probably why they don't want children.  [and do not want to get married]  Mores the pity as they are gentle souls and would have made great dads.  

I have celebrated my 25th twice .

Congratulations Brocky, you are lucky to do that and get to 50 years.  My late parents did also. 

I doubt we will!  We had 15 years first marriage ......

Ann a very sad story.

My parents had  10 years together both wonderful but my wonderful Father died when I was 9 my Mother was also a wonderful person and Mother, she never married again.

Yes Toot I was reading this last night, and I bet this sparked the mans crazy anger to do this........

.. hey Cats - was wondering how you were going with the Grand Prix so near to you?  You should be used to it - lol - been years now ........ cheers ... :-)   

Hi Cats...

Didn't you get sent to the country?   Lots of kiddies from London were sent out to the country to avoid that terror.

My late mother used to say she hated the doodlebugs....coming over then silent and not knowing where they would drop.

I do not know how people cope with these darn car races, they would drive me insane -- I HATE noise especially when it is UNNESASARY

I too remember the air raid shelters my Dad built one in  the back yard -- but I was in Aussie and we did not suffer the way others did -- THANK GOODNESS

hi foxy,   NO ,   im not used to it,   every year i hate it more,   wish they would send it back to PHILIP ISLAND,    or ADELAIDE,    i am driven mad every year,    its not only the noise,   the streets are closed off,   and trying to get anywhere is a nightmare,     even the traders dont want it,   they make NOTHING from it,     the only ones who profit from it is the hotels,  my hairdresser lady came to do my hair today,   was half hour late as she had to go a long way around,    as the streets are closed off,   its a bloody nightmare,    I HATE IT,         ANN,   no ,   i didnt go away,    i spent the entire war in the middle of LONDON,   we used to watch the doodle bugs,    would be floating through the sky,    then BANG,    WAR is horrible,    we were lucky we didnt get bombed,   but all around us did,     we were stuck in the middle of rubble,      

Oh Cats I feel for you, that was terrible.  My family during the war was in Leigh the beaches were all barracaded as you know with barbed wire.  I was too young to remember, but saw the photos. My only memory of war is when I started school and used to play in the airrade shelter.

   Barrage Balloons.

 By then we were living back in Winchester where I started school.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/64/a3130264.shtml

http://www.leigh-on-sea.net/leigh_dunkirk.html

I wonder how the children or young adults of today would cope if this happened again?

Reading about the Grand Prix, I can well imagine how you feel.  We were in South Yarra in 1999 and I was doing some painting and I could hear the noise from there! It was a terrible thing to bring it into the city. That sort of thing should be on a purpose built track.

Which madman and which helm, we seem to have a situation where that statement fits both countries involved.  Isn't that a worry and a half?

Yes which mad man, there seems several at the helm of various countries at the moment, talk about an invitation for war.  It is certainly troublesome times.  

I hope North Korea doesn't sent one of his practise missiles into the great sandy desert and miss!