Melburnians will share the road with driverless cars by early 2017

Get ready Melburnians – from early 2017 you’ll be sharing the road with some of the world’s first driverless cars. The Victorian Government announced in December that automated vehicles will begin trials on Citylink and the Monash and Tullamarine freeways. Autonomous cars are already on the market elsewhere in the world – for example, the US and China. In the Melbourne trials, a human will remain in the passenger seat at all times to keep the car in check, though the car itself will be self-driving.

The aim is to see how driverless cars interact with Melbourne’s road infrastructure, “including overhead lane signals, electronic speed signs and line marking,” the Government said in a statement.

Industry experts, including artifical intelligence researchers and engineers say that driverless cars will greatly reduce the instances of car accidents made by human error. The next five to 10 years will see fully driverless cars available widely to the public.

What are your feelings about driverless cars on Melbourne’s roads? Are we ready for self-driving cars?

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I would be scared witless. 

I would trust a driverless car far more than most human drivers.

Uber apparently have been using them very successfully within the Bay area of San Francisco - however I guess when you really start thinking about it there could be far more ramifications than ever thought?

Do you still need to sit for/obtain a Driver's Licence?   :-)

Can you go out and drink at bars/clubs/restaurants all night - get blind drunk and be well over the "limit" and then hop into your "driverless car"??  :-)

Also - what if a car (driven by a REAL PERSON...) runs into your "driverless car" - are insurance companies going to re-write  all motor vehicle policies - or just have "new" ones for "driverless cars"?  :-)

Are these cars also going to be able to "click"  in to another "mode" to be "driven normally"??   Hmmm quite exciting!

In retrospect I think I would rather be in control and drive myself!   

 

Do you still need to sit for/obtain a Driver's Licence? No. You don't need one to ride in a taxi.

Can you go out and drink at bars/clubs/restaurants all night - get blind drunk and be well over the "limit" and then hop into your "driverless car"? Yes

What if a car (driven by a REAL PERSON...) runs into your "driverless car" - are insurance companies going to re-write  all motor vehicle policies - or just have "new" ones for "driverless cars"?   The insurance industry will adapt. It's much older than cars, and it adapted to them when they first arrived on the scene.

Are these cars also going to be able to "click"  in to another "mode" to be "driven normally"?? Why would you bother?

Since most accidents seem to be driver error related, I would have no problem with a driverless car.  But what will protect me from that other car with an error ridden human behind the wheel?

Technology like that in the video on the link below may help.

Toot2000 posted this on another thread …

Tesla Autopilot predicts crash seconds before it happens

https://electrek.co/2016/12/27/tesla-autopilot-radar-technology-predict-accident-dashcam/

I have a car with "adaptive" cruise control. It maintains the speed I want up AND DOWN hill, unless I come up behind a slower vehicle, when it adapts to that vehicle's speed. This works even to the extent that if the vehicle in front stops, so will mine. 

At this point the engine stops, to save fuel. When we're ready to go, I just tap the accelerator, and off we go again, with the cruise control in charge.

I can over-ride the cruise control. I usually do for stopping, but apart from that I let it have its way. It's pretty clever. 

The car doesn't steer itself, but it does beep at me when I go near a white line, so I can see how a car could steer itself.

We all know about cars that can detect other vehicles at parking speeds, and beep to warn us.

Driverless cars? A certainty. And I would trust them.

 

....who pays the "tickets" that "driverless" cars may get?   lol lol lol 

 

Why would they get tickets?

 

 

...so they "know" where to park do "they"? These cars can "read" the street signs - can they? lol lol

 - oh and before you start calling me a "fool" Barak - this is just one of many many  questions in letters that people are writing into the papers as I type this .....!

Try "reading" them .........instead of being so freakin' quick to judge people's views ...........

Murdoch papers?

No, I don't read them very often at all.

Driverless cars can return to base. They don't have to park "nearby".

And actually, it would be very easy to create signs readable by such cars.

Sadly the driverless cars will not operate on too many of our roads seeing they are in such a poor condition.

... we have third world infrastructure.

What was the last third world country you visited?

..........   when was the last one you visited ???   (If you ever managed to get outta' Melbourne?)      .........

Several in South America 18 months ago. Our roads are MUCH better.

(That really wasn't a very clever comment.)

...oooops.....musta' been made on one of my "off days" IQ wise........can't be clever alll the time ......        :-)

Sydney is congestion capital of Australasia - and even New York's road network is faster


Sydney has the unenviable title of Australasia's most congested city after a report from a peak transport body revealed it features seven of the 10 slowest roads on both sides of the Tasman.

And in a sign of the mounting pressures of a booming population, average speeds of 72.5 kilometres an hour on Sydney's road network – which includes motorways such as the M7 and M2 

 

 

Yeah!!!  great infrastructure in Melbourne .. it is a joke ...horse and buggy would be faster  

 

.....ever noticed that many times - and on many "Topics" -  Barak - drops a "comment" and then - never ever returns to validate his case?

He also seems to be rather morbidly obsessed with "Murdoch"???   Weird?    lol lol lol 

.... Punt Road -  Toorak Road and Doncaster Road are the "pits" Abby!  Have been for years - years!!!  Trust me!   :-) 

I am not the topic. Discuss my posts, not me.

Abby, Those speeds are suitable for driverless cars because they will not travel faster than 40kph. I think it would be more important for Victorians to get their sewerage sorted so people can swim on the beach. 

 

I was discussing your posts (or lack or replies)  in my "first' paragraph!

Anyway - I won't bother you again - you are far too argumentative and accusatory regarding what ordinary people post on here!  I'm done!   Thank you. 

Huh?

I gave responses to four questions in your first post here. Nobody else bothered even replying. I seriously don't know what you're complaining about. Should be complaining about all those people who ignored your post completely.

Thank you!  However I don't give a "rats' who bothers to reply to me or not!  China has just unveiled a new electric car in the Las Vegas Electronics Show - can do 1mph to 100 mph in 3 mins 9 secs.   .......they are taking on Tesla (or whatever their name is called -  in a big way in 2017)

Has now "outdated' Franks theory on here .......... lol - poor Frank!   :-)

To the negative people out there from someone who has worked in the data collecting area for these vehicles - these vehicles WILL be safer, they WILL be able to read the road signs, they WILL dramatically reduce the road toll BUT they won't be perfect. As we are now PEOPLE are far from perfect, of course crashes will still happen, people will still die but the numbers will be greatly reduced....maybe 90% reduction for the mass population.

Foxy, you are asking the right questions.

Under the Laws that exist in Australia.Somebody is in charge of the vehicle.  They must be licenced.  The person in charge is covered by the drink driving & drug laws.  The person in charge is legally responsible for any accident that involves fault.  The person in charge of the vehicle is not a passenger.

Just out of interest; how many people have owned an electronic instrument that has never broken down?  How many of you have never had your computer break down or get a virus?  A driverless car is a big computer that WILL break down.

Re the laws - laws can and will change.

Yep, the cars will probably break down, but a better comparison is a modern car. They are very reliable if you pay for quality.

 

Barak, you are correct.  Laws can & will change.  BUT, you stated quite authoritively, a pile of incorrect advice to Foxy, that involve Laws that have NOT changed.

You also come out with some more uninformed BS, 16 minutes ago.  $18,000 will buy you a Toyota Yaris that is MUCH more reliable than a $500,000 Rolls Royce.

Re the laws, I was doing something positive - looking forward.

To the people who ask the legal questions - legislation will need to be written to enable these vehicles to be used on the roads. SA has already passed some laws but others will need to be written in the future.

Well how interesting is this.......  I just finished reading an article on how well the testing for "driverless" cars is going and it also raised an issue that I had never even thought of ..........

..... how very excited the Blind Community is regarding this "new lease of life" for them!  So excited they will not have to wait for Taxis - so excited they can go out whenever/wherever they wish and also how happy they and their beloved Guide Dog will be -  sitting "up front" with them!

How wonderful it will be for them!   :-)  

Interesting re the requirement to have a driver's licence as well, e.g.

February 10, 2016
SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- A blind man became the first person chosen to give Google's self-driving car a test ride after the federal government redefined what it means to be a driver on Wednesday.

For the first time since he became blind, Mahan sat in the driver's seat of a Google self-driving car and that's about all he did.

But California rules say autonomous cars still need a licensed driver and Mahan can't get a driver's license. "If it is required to have a licensed human driver in the car, it means I could not go any place in that vehicle without someone accompanying me," Mahan said.

But now, in a letter to Google, federal regulators made a key clarification where the law refers to a driver as not having to be human. Tech futurist Paul Saffo said it doesn't clear up other legal requirements like mirrors.

But if California follows the federal government's lead, it means people like Mahan could have more independence.

http://abc7news.com/technology/blind-man-chosen-as-first-person-to-test-googles-driverless-car/1195770/

RnR - the article I was reading today - referred to "Driverless cars in Australia" - ok?  Maybe the laws will be different here - than those of the U.S.A. ?

The only reason that I can see a person needs a licence -  is - if the "driverless car" loses control - you would need to "take over'?  I don't know if those options are available at this stage with these cars?

Other than that - I can see no need why a person needs to hold a licence?  They will have to update all the "rules and regulations" big time anyway.

Agree re updates will be needed, particularly for insurance and traffic infringements.

If you are not the licenced driver in control of the car you own and it is being 'driven' by a non-human licenced controller/driver programmed by a driverless car manufacturer ... who is 'at fault' you or the manufacturer?

Maybe Google and others need to set up their own insurance and traffic infringement funds to cope with such eventualities.

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