Overseas travel on the pension

Doing a bit of fact-checking: would people mind telling me if the below seems accurate?

I've just gone on the age pension. I then booked OS tickets. I've been told that because I have spent most of the last 10 years OS my pension will be suspended for the duration of the trip.

I have to stay in Oz for most of the 2 years after my last return for this rule to expire - i.e. to be able to travel OS without losing the pension. (That'll be Feb 2018.)

I have spent enough months in Australia since the age of 16 for this ban to be 2 years only, not permament.

To complicate matters a bit, I have further been told that if - within the 2 years - I go to a country with which Australia has a social security agreement (e.g. Greece), I can retain the pension. (There's a certain amount of bureaucracy involved, but it is do-able.)

The two-year rule is technically appealable, but the Centrelink person told me appeals don't generally succeed.

I'm requesting a bit of fact-checking because in the course of 7 phone calls & visits to Centrelink I was told I could go OS with no limitations; so I booked my tickets. Then I was told my pension would be suspended for the trip's duration.

Thanks to all...

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John Mac,

              Just go because they have no idea of who comes and goes.

I recieve some small gov pension and have been overseas 4 times and declared nothing.

Tell them nothing and accept anything you recieve as a tax rebate.

Campbell, I wish you would NEVER give factual advice, on here, about any subject, so important to the person asking the question, unless you know what you are talking about.  Every Immigration counter in Australia is automatically linked to Centrelink & Interpol.  Centrelink are notified automatically every time a passport is processed either into or out of Australia including Territories, such as Norfolk Island.  Obviously your 4 trips were not of sufficient time to effect your part pension.  Any change of name in any State, does not work either.  They are also linked.  It is odd, that this only happens on leaving or arriving in Australia.  If a pensioner were to go to New Zealand, then go on to Russia etc then back to NZ & Australia, the record is limited to & from NZ & Australia.  This record is not even accessible to the State Police.  They have to apply for the info if required.

 

With "advice" like Campbell's it's no surprise so many pensioners are finding themselves on the wrong side of the law.

Campbell ... it is obvious to me that you never got out of AU for more than 6 weeks..... Maybe just to Bali and back...

Your advice is very dangerous and some people will believe what you say and then they will be in deep troubles..... so please read the Gov. website before you TALK mate you are WRONG WRONG.

innes is correct I travel in and out of AU every 6 months and sometimes every 3 month on long holidays .... Sorry mate I can do that no worries because I read the web and get inform of the rules and changes.

I do not have to tell Centrelink is I go or come back they already know..... Read innes post .....

Campbell, Immigration tells Centrelink within an hour of you leaving or entering Australia.

The Centrelink person today read out every entry & exit of mine going back several years - year, date, time.

So how did I exit and return with no problems.

Same with duty free shopping pre-bought before going. No checks at all.

Campbell, I have already answered that.  If you get one of your grandchildren you explain it, you can get Centrelink access to your file & you will see the time, date, & flight or ship, both out & return, that you have made, since you claimed any Centrelink benefit.  One other factor, is that you have stated that you have spent your working life in Australia, so, any part or full pension becomes automatically portable from the date you turn 65, subject to a very few basic rules.  BUT, the Immigration records are still on your file, regardless.

As far as I can see it is nobodys business but mine if I want as oversea holiday.

My bills are still being paid in Australia where ever I am so my income stays in Australia.

I must admit that I have recently got the travel bug and jet off around the world. My money my business.

If you're receiving a full or part pension, it is the business of the taxpayers who pay for it to know what's going on.

Campbell you are correct is your business but if you receive any money from the government is no longer only your business is also Centrelink business and there are many rules about going OS.

6 Weeks max for your payments to be ok after that you get cut to the minimum read the web about overseas travel and payments while overseas is all there and very clear.

And you must have many years of permanent residence in AU, again you may lose all payments ... Just read the web.

Campbell, nobody cares when or where you go, BUT, The Immigration Dept., & Centrelink, still keep a record of every movement, whether you like it or not, holidays included, but, not disseminated.

Campbell is not alone in being misinformed. I have been given substantially different answers to the same questions in the course of 9 meetings or phone calls with Centrelink. Sometimes (like today) I was given different information in the same phone call - after being transferred from one staffer to another.

In a nutshell, what seemed to work in the end was to keep ringing until I found someone with the knowledge & the interest to actually look at my case & resolve it favorably - which happened this morning.

My experience Radish is that the online stuff can sometimes be too general for one's specific circs; & that in relation to your specific circs very few in CL can give you accurate information - partly I guess because the rules have changed recently & it hasn't percolated thru to everyone.

Thus my need to keep ringing until I finally found someone who knew what he was talking about & could make a ruling in my favour.

I would not try and get away with anything -- not only is it wrong but I would rather do the right thing and know I have done it -- and also not have to be looking over my shoulder all the time

One thing is definite (as others have already stated) anyone who sets foot in and out of Australia is on record and that includes Centrelink recipients.

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