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Sacrificial Virgins - doubts about the HPV vaccine for cervical cancer

 Is the next Thalidomide-style scandal about to break?

The first HPV vaccine became available in 2006 and we are told it is safe.  As of 2017, no less than 71 countries include it in their routine vaccinations, at least for girls.  They are on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most effective and safe medicines - or is that true?

The HPV vaccine is a treatment in widespread use but its efficacy in preventing cervical cancer is medically unproven, while unintended, adverse reactions are blighting and even ending the lives of girls and young women across the world.

However, pharmaceutical manufacturers and many health authorities are refusing to acknowledge there is a problem and the medical community is continuing to offer the vaccine.

This is the subject of a three-part series of films – Sacrificial Virgins – the first of which was launched on YouTube on 11 September 2017.

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If YLC permits people to post this sort of fake news on it's website it is ethically bound to present non-fake evidence-based research here too.  If it doesn't it risks  the lives of millions of young people.  'Sacrificial virgins' should be a warning to readers that once again anti-vaxxers are fear-mongering.  These u-tubes are fake news at its most dangerous.  In contrast, reputable, world renowned science journals and websites present the evidence derived from numerous, large, multicentred randomised controlled trials of the efficacy of the Gardasil vaccine.  There is no doubt it prevents most cases of cervical cancer and inhibits the spread of HPV.  We are seeing few cases of cervical cancer in young women now thank heavens because it is a shocking way to die.  There are very few side-effects and the sorts of 'stories' we see on these video clips are anecdotal and there is no evidence that the illnesses the producers say are caused by Gardasil is true.  The sort of rubbish is just as bad as the Talibans' campaign to stop parents in Pakistan from having the kids immunized against polio because it 'will kill children'.  Interested readers should look up Cochrane data Base, the NICE guidelines and the CDC websites. All are free and most have consumer summaries so you ave to wide through scientific 'stuff'.  BTW in case readers wonder why the vaccine is given so early most 15 year olds in Oz are sexually active and not good at wearing condoms so the vaccination needs to be done early! 

Just because a study sponsored by the manufacturers does not identify problems with the vaccine does not necessarily mean the vaccine is safe.

There have been several reports documenting multiple sclerosis and encephalitis, which is brain inflammation, in girls who have received their Gardasil vaccine.

How many girls worldwide have been diagnosed with encephalitis who have NOT had the Gardasil vaccine Suze? And how many have been diagnosed with MS similarly without receiving the same vaccine?

And did those girls you mention have the full course or not?

There are far too many assumptions being made in your post Suze to be taken seriously. And that is the real issue with the antivaxers. Absolutely no evidence to support their theories masquerading as facts.

 

The truth is the HPV vaccine has worked so well, there is now a push to offer Gardasil9 to boys as well. HPV types types 6, 11, 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58  casue many different types of cancer as well as genital warts which is why it is now recommended by CDC that boys and girls be vaccinated from the age of 11.

 

Everyone is entitled to a personal opinion, but when that opinion is a dangerous one, it should not be publicly promoted. The anti-vaccination movement spreads a dangerous message which threatens the health of not just the children of anti-vaxxers, but the children they interact with.

Over 205 million doses of the Gardasil vaccine have been distributed worldwide as of 31 December 2015 and all adverse reactions are monitored and investigated. All vaccines can have side effects and the reactions that people have had after the HPV vaccine have been similar to reactions from other vaccines. The most common side effects are pain, redness and/or swelling at the site of injection. Very rarely are there more serious side effects such as anaphylactic (allergic) reaction.

The procedure is the same as having a flu vaccine where everyone is monitored for 15 minutes after having the vaccine. If an allergic reaction does occur, it can be treated quickly and successfully – every immunisation provider is trained and equipped to deal with such a reaction.

So please kika stop spreading such false information.

 

I would think twice before putting any derogatory remarks after my post Raphael, as you did yesterday.

Why are you harassing me Kiah?

And please stop spreading lies - what derogatory remark?

When I was 10 I was vaccinated against yellow fever, typhoid, small pox and TB.  Six months later I had my eyes tested and diagnosed with myopia.  By your reasoning my short sightedness was caused by the yellow fever vaccination!    Some Girls acquire MS irrespective of whether or not they have been vaccinated.  There are so few cases  of MS in this age group that it is impossible to say if Gardasil caused it or another factor.  Hundreds of Millions of girls around the world have been vaccinated and they don't get MS - doesn't that tell you something?  HPV causes cervical cancer and Gardasil prevents infection with HPV.  Gosh, you have just accused Nobel prize winners of conducting unethical research - brave person! 

Gardasil, like several other vaccines, contains aluminum. Health authorities will tell you that using aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines is completely safe, but what they won’t tell you is the fact that there are no safety assessments (toxicity studies) for vaccine ingredients. This can be quite eye-opening for those who were not already aware of this, especially considering the fact that aluminum has been being added to vaccines for approximately 90 years. Yet the Food and Drug Administration, or any other government agency for that matter, has not conducted or included appropriate toxicity studies/testing proving the safety of aluminum. Why is this? One reason could be that vaccines have traditionally (over the years) been viewed as non-toxic substances, therefore not warranting such research. (source)

I would put money on the fact that those same girls probably drank cola too in thier lives Suze. Have there been any toxicity studies done on that too? Co-incidence is not causation and until such time as causation is proven to the exclusion of all other possibilities, this is simple scaremongering at its worst.

Gardasil saves  lives 

perhaps kika would prefer it didn't 

looney websites post all sorts of crap kika 

you shouldn't take notice of them 

 

Thalidomide was used in the late 1950s and early 1960s to combat morning sickness, but led to children being born without limbs.

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Yes and many died at birth.... how long before these pills were brought to attention ?

Perhaps the mothers drank Cola too ?

good points suze.

the main point is that the effectiveness of the HPV vaccine is medically unproven.

can any of the critics on this forum provide credible evidence that the vaccine does prevent cervical cancer? 

and has anyone actually watched the video?

Can YOU  provide such evidence? There are at least 1000 scholarly articles on the internet to say you are talking nonsense. Your job to find them.

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No need to say anymore.

hello ben.  the video i posted provides plenty of evidence which is one reason i decided to post it to this site.  also hope that concerned people will spread the word and help prevent more injuries and deaths.  

the WHO global database of adverse drug reactions at www.vigiaccess.org lists 400 deaths and 897 neoplasms amongst the 297,020 adverse reactions to this vaccine.   and there are now more problems developing with this vaccine.  but of course, the profits for the manufacturers are growing so it will still be pushed and marketed.

here is one grieving mother's story:  "My sweet daughter Christina Tarsell was one of the early deaths reported after receiving her third injection of Gardasil. Experts have determined she died from an autoimmune response to Gardasil. Now hundreds of deaths later, the vaccine continues to be marketed shamelessly in the US. The new version, Gardasil 9 has twice as much of the neurotoxin aluminum as the original version. Yes my daughter died from a vaccine she never needed about which we were deceived. "

Nine years ago I had a bunch of vaccinations to go overseas. Had most of them on the same day - tetanus, hep A and typhoid that I remember, possibly others - and the flu shot a few days later. While travelling I was getting reactions to dye in clothes and developed major sinus problems, non stop sneezing, watering eyes etc. after coming home the symptoms eased and at the 6 month mark I decided to get the hep A booster which provides life protection. Big mistake! I developed a terrible auto immune reaction of hives and life threatening swellings which lasted for 8 months. I was lucky really because it could have lasted for many years or life (according to my allergy specialist) and I really don't think I could have learned to live with it. I researched on the net, checked out support groups for people suffering similar problems and discovered many felt their problem started with vaccinations, especially the hep A shot. I'm not against vaccinations but following that experience I am wary and I will never have another one if it can be avoided. I have read that children cope with them better than adults but they seem to receive vaccination for many more things these days than they did when my babies were vaccinated. I have wondered whether we are perhaps pushing the limits? I have also wondered why so many dogs are developing allergies these days. I read or heard somewhere that all the vaccinations they receive are perhaps responsible.

thanks robi.  some interesting thoughts.

Instead, the problem is often how money is spent, not how much of it there is. To take one example, a vaccine exists against the human papillomavirus (HPV), which causes cancers of the cervix in women, as well as cancers of the head and neck. Rwanda started a programme of routine vaccination in 2011, and aims to eradicate cervical cancer by 2020. Other countries are far less systematic. Vaccinations could help prevent cervical cancer in 120,000 Indian women each year.https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21728893-science-will-win-technical-battle-against-cancer-only-half-fight-closing

 

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some have assumed (wrongly) that i am anti-vaccination.  my post focuses on one vaccine only, the HPV vaccine as there are now so many complaints about its effects.

as for other vaccinations, i just don't know.  if i were to contemplate having a 'shot', i would like to firstly be advised by the G.P. what the ingredients are so that i could so some research for myself.

i know that if i had a young relative, female or gay male, i would advise them not to have the HPV vaccine,  but to find out more about it, and then leave them to make their own decisions.

Kika I am with you, there is so much put into these Vaccines these days -- Mercury/Aluminium and other things in some of them --  some MIGHT be fine with it but others are not.

Same as the Flu shots -- if anyone is allergic to eggs they could very well have a bad reaction because the Vaccine is bred in eggs

I am vegan so will not get vaccines that use animals, which all of them do. The eggs would not be organic and would be full of chemicals as well.

I agree with kika the HPV vaccine is an unnecessary vaccine that has not proven to be any more benficial than pap smear tests which are perfectly safe and accurate. Far too risky and not enough research has been done.

Check out this link for those keen to read further:

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hpv-vaccines-unnecessary-and-lethal

 

“the HPV vaccine is an unnecessary vaccine that has not proven to be any more benficial than pap smear tests which are perfectly safe and accurate”

 

This statement does not cover the most salient points …I agree the pap smear is “safe and beneficial”..however.. doctors recommend pap smears to young women when they reach the age of 18 or younger if they have been sexually active for three years…

These days more and more young teens are having sex and although a certain percentage of girls are able to have pap smears much earlier..where does that leave the boys..boys are also recommended to have the HPV vaccines since they are also sexually active at a young age.

Boys are not usually given pap smears since pap smears for men are given anally if they are homosexual and have been active for several years…

We have to protect all young people and condemning the HPV vaccine is not acceptable...


Did you read up on the HPV vaccine Thea? There is strong evidence it does not work and is doing more damage than good. Better to teach kids safe sex.

I did read your link musicveg...but I'm afraid I'm still not convinced..so we'll have to agree to disagree on this one...

I want to make it quite clear that I am NOT ANTI Vaccination--  however, I think the amount of 'STUFF'  that are in these vaccines these days DO cause a lot of trouble for SOME -- I have known of 5 little ones that got severe Autism a matter of weeks after the MMR Vacination.

It may not affect ALL Babies but I am sure it can affect some and these Drs that want to put their point forward should be allowed to -- the heartbreak it has caused to the parents and the rest of the families of these effected Kids is horrific.

Any doctor that speaks up about it is automatically de-registered. My friend a nurse said her son was not the same after his MMR vaccine and later was diagnosed with autism, she said she really regrets it, but cannot talk to her collegues because they attack her. This is the system that is in place for anyone who has doubts. In years to come the truth will come out, as truth always does. Check out greenmedinfo website for in depth articles and evidence.

 

Musicveg,  I so agree with ith you those that have been affected really need to be able to speak out -- there are too many that have had a reaction for it not to have some truth in it -- but like everything the Government wants us to be like lemmings and do what we are told -- if only they had the same outcome they might think different -- 

We also have well-known people like Ita Butrose and others spruiking the banning of these Drs as well -- she/they ought to get her facts straight b4 making such sweeping statements

In 2013, biologist Dr. Brian Hooker received a call from a Senior Scientist at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) who led the agency’s 2004 study on the Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine and its link to autism.
The scientist, Dr. William Thompson, confessed that the CDC had omitted crucial data in their final report that revealed a causal relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism.

Thanks for that info Musicveg,  if only many others would at least open their minds and listen to all sides -- of this debate.

Banning things willy nilly just makes me wonder what they have to hide.

just saw some more info on this topic on the ABC news website.  a new method of testing for the HPV virus, but still making the assumption the the vaccine works.  and from the comments above, there is still some doubt about this.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2017-09-20/what-you-need-to-know-about-pap-smears-being-phased-out/8753278

Just read that article Kika. Interesting.

• You'll be tested every five years, instead of every two
• You won't start having tests until you're 25 years old, up from 18 years old
• Self-collection using vaginal swabs will be an option for some women
• Tests will now continue until you're 74, instead of stopping when you turn 69.

According to the article:

• Traditional Pap smear test collects cells from the cervix to test if these are abnormal or not
• The new Cervical Screening Test will go the step before this and test for the presence of HPV rather than testing for abnormal cells, which may not happen until many years after initial infection with HPV the virus that causes cervical cancer
• Health modelling had shown HPV testing would reduce cervical cancer deaths by up to 30 per cent.

Apparently HPV DNA testing picks up 10 times more high-risk cervical abnormalities than other methods.

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