Victoria to become a surveillance state?

In a bid to monitor people's movements throughout the state, the Victorian government is proposing new laws that will allow them to use data from mobile phones, apps, GPS devices as well as mobile phone towers to help pinpoint the location of devices throughout the state and their movements.

“The department is primarily interested in location data collected through mobile and connected devices including, but not limited to, mobile phone network data, app location data, in-vehicle Bluetooth and GPS,” the department said when it put the proposal out for tender.

Location data collected by Google has been used previously for research congestion points in Australia with the Grattan Institute analysing 3.5 million trip-times from Google Maps data back in 2017 to locate bottlenecks in state capitals.

While on the surface the proposal seems an important step into easing congestion and clearing up the roads, not everyone is sold on the idea.

“This is a significant step towards a surveillance stage, and Victorians should be very wary of such a move,” said Liberty Victoria president Jessie Taylor.

What do you think? Do you want the government knowing your location data?

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If you have a smartphone, or download phone apps there’s a good chance you’re sharing data without even realizing it. Google knows your location. According to one study, smartphone users who used a range of phone apps normally for two weeks had their location recorded up to 5000 times in just 14 days.

I don’t have a problem with the necessary authorities knowing where I am..since I'm an avid  walker, it could prove useful if I'm lost or injured!

the government know practicaly everything about us now,    i get all these messages on my mobile phone,   asking me to participate in some survey or other,    anyone who wants it,  can get your information,   big brother is closer is closer than we think,     wont be long,         what really buggs me,   is that everyone else has our information,    paying my landline by phone,    i am answered by a telsta worker,    then put onto someone else,    in INDIA,    CHINA,    god knows where,    who ALL  have my information,   name,  address,   d,o,b,    banking details,   IT IS WRONG,    

Add in the content of this Wheels article on car use and, well, we may as just wire ourselves in to the big computer.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/ownership/australia-say-goodbye-to-your-driving-freedom/ar-AADGfIx?ocid=spartanntp

Some will applaud the speed limiting, included drug and alcohol testing and recording but to me (even as a virtual non drinker, a non smoker/drug taker and a moderate driver) it is still a further invasion too far. The despicable result of a nanny state which so defines the terms of reference of all its "expert" input so that to do their job only particular conditions must always be improved (ie. not balance against other impacts.)

You could say, well thats what politicians are for; to find the balance. Well, they typically do not. If you as a politician reject advice and say don't reduce a speed zone from 100 to 90 and some poor kid gets crumpled your electors see it as being on your head instead of the idiot driver, the idiot kid or the rare haphazard situation. 

A silly example of how balance works:

On speed, we would 'save' quite a few people from road deaths by reducing speed to zero. You could be sure there would be quite a few more deaths other than due to road problems.

The balance is a matter science, conjecture and taste. Not a matter of fairness. A highly experienced mercedes driver with good reflexes can probably perform similarly at a higher speed than an inexperienced, OLD, clunker driver. It is not even a matter of capability, as all conditions, vehicles and drivers differ. Some science is done, much conjecture takes place, then taste comes into it. Nowhere however are detailed projections ever made and people held accountable to them. Consumer populations are not asked, are 5 more road deaths per year worth leaving a speed limit or an alcohol or drug limit where it is rather than lowering speed a couple klms or raising mg/l a touch. That is asked to take responsibility for costs which will always exist unless the cost of zero of all these things is accepted.

Instead, governments of all persuasions fashion law which presents their current target as sacrosanct and wholly inarguable, a truth. Speed kills. Alcohol kills. Drugs kill. This treats the owners of this place, the people, as idiots. Of course these can kill. So can not having them (stretching the point there a bit with some drugs I suppose.) The one thing that is needed are responsible road users. People experienced enough to know what the impact of conditions and these killers are upon the reasonable balance of their capabilities.

Instead of having governments train us to be automatons freedom would have us exercise our responsibility.

 

 

Congestion will never be eased while we continue to have thousands of new arrivals in Melbourne each week. It would help solve crime though.

so you are saying that the thousands who are arriving in Melbourne each week are all criminals? or just a few?

Some put they are increasing our crime rate. Our recent addition is a gang professional beggar from China who send the money back to China.

If it will keep Victoria reasonably safe, then I don't have a problem with it. Nice to know the criminal element  iin our society is being tracked.

So track the criminals then and leave the rest of us alone.

Mobile phones are a criminal's tool.

It's ok KSS, you can always wear a hoodie and dark glasses when you visit the adult shops, lolol

George Orwell was right, just got the dates and technology a bit out!

Yes, he was. It made sense and still does to control the masses with technology.

at my stage of life I just dont care if the government tracks me whenever I go...it would be downright boring and would be of little use for them to know anyway.

A Labor State following other Socialist countries ... that is our future.

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