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Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market (above) is allegedly selling wild animals including live wolf pups, civets and even koalas according to the South China Morning Post.

Where has it orginated from and reports are saying some of the meat are what is termed 'Tree Bears' which apparently are Koalas. However, I find that hard to understand that would mean the Chinese are breeding our Koala.  But what do they feed them on?

I have not heard that there are eucalyptus Trees/leaves in China.

 

 

 

 

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Not good news ... Diamond Princess coronavirus cases jump by 70, taking total to 355 on the cruise ship.

So far authorities have done 1,219 tests on the approximately 3,700 passengers and crew, with the total number of cases from on board the ship now at 355. One quarantine official who was on board the ship also tested positive during the week. Those testing positive are being transferred to Japanese hospitals.

Full ABC story.

RnR,  Not good news at all.  It appears that "Diamond Princess" is a coronavirus incubator.

More than 200 Australians who have been quarantined on Christmas Island for two weeks waiting to be cleared of any symptoms of the deadly coronavirus are due to head home on Monday. 

None of those quarantined on Christmas Island have tested positive after being evacuated from the Chinese province of Hubei, the epicentre of the COVID-19 virus.  

The federal government, however, is keeping details of their departure under wraps.

 

    5:11pm Feb 16, 2020

 

It is outrageous that our Govt. is still "thinking" about the evacuation of it's citizerns from the "Diamond Princess"!!

It was so obvious that ScoMo was waiting for the U.S. to "make a move" as he cannot seem to make any decisions of his own!

These people should have been removed from this ship the MINUTE the virus was discovered onboard!  What a nightmare for them!

 

 

I was wondering if we have Health Officials testing crews  from cargo boats coming into the ports around Australia?

Not as yet!  I saw some "bod" from the Maritime Union being interviewed yesterday and he said there were"extreme concerns" re the container/cargo ships docking daily and the fact that Aussie wharfies had to mingle with Chinese crewman onboard these container vessels and liaise with them on the relevent docks??

Go figure!!!

 

 

Given there is no vaccine to prevent the latest strain of coronavirus, the best way to prevent infection is to avoid being exposed to the virus.

As with colds and other seasonal viruses, one of the most important things you can do is wash your hands — and wash them often.

 

Research shows hand washing significantly helps to prevent illness and the spread of infection.

 

Hand washing shouldn't just follow toilet use. You should also wash your hands:

 

after you cough or sneeze,

before you eat and when you prepare food,

after you handle animals,

when you care for someone unwell or visiting someone in hospital

 

Your handwashing technique is also important — a quick splash under the tap won't cut it.

 

Person washing their hands under water tap with soap.

To get properly germ-free hands, you need to wash them for at least 20 seconds with soap under clean, running water.

When there's no water, a hand sanitiser or gel that contains at least 60 per cent alcohol is your best bet.

 

 

 

more chance of catching the measles!

 

Image result for chart showing coronavirus and other diseases

That is really interesting, surprising that Influenza is so low and they keep pushing the vaccine for it. I wonder if they take vaccines into consideration when estimating these figures. I still find it hard to believe measles is on top of the list, I wonder why it has become more of a problem than when we were growing up, when people were not even concerned too much whether you got it as it cleared up by itself. Though I guess this is worldwide and some diseases are more prevelant amongst those living without clean water and fresh food as in some African and Indian areas.

I always use a nail brush when I wash my hands, we always take them away with us on holiday plus the liquid soap and hand sanitizers, one never knows what one will pick up on door handles, lift buttons, light switches etc.,

I always use a nail brush when I wash my hands, we always take them away with us on holiday plus the liquid soap and hand sanitizers, one never knows what one will pick up on door handles, lift buttons, light switches etc.,

 

.... well what an absolute "dogs breakfast" this whole "Diamond Princess" nightmare has been!

Japanese Govt. now under fire for not avacuating these passengers immediately the virus was discovered onboard!

Hopefully this virus doesn't spread within Japan as they are letting all remaining people "walk" from the ship now and resume their daily lives.  Spare a thought also for the crews that will have to go onboard and sterilize this monster liner!  If it's at all possible to sterilize it safely?

Guessing maybe no one will ever want to board the "Diamond Princess" for another cruise?

 

 

All Japan is interested in is the upcoming Olympics

Think that ship needs sinking it has so many viruses stuck in the air conditioning, unless they take out the whole system I wouldn't want to risk going on that vessel.

How long do you think a virus stays alive without a host?

Yep dead right Suze, they are desperate to get the Olympics-- for their economy -- and IMO they should be had up for murder as the place is full of radiation and people are even finding it in the A/C/ vacuum dust/and they are tipping bag and bags of radiated soil into the Pacific and av  been since 2011 -- as well and radiated water -- and also making parks and roads out of other soils they have to keep bagging, it is a disgrace that this is not brought to attention, but it is all about their economy --

They have been trying to keep it out of the news -- but if you look it is ALL there to see.

I do not know how the hell they could disinfest that ship -- they would have to blast it with much for a LONG time over nad over again -- would it work -- I do not know -- but no way would I even want to travel on it even for free

Musicveg, they found SARS and MERS could survive 9 days without a host but it is not yet known how long COVID-19 can can remain on unsterilised surfaces. Disinfectants remove viruses from surfaces within minutes.

Scientists say the air conditioning is a breeding ground.

How can they disinfect the ship Plan B?  They have no vaccine for humans as yet, so they don't know how to kill the virus.  

Some person on the Daily Mail stated that it was only a glorified flu virus!   I had to laugh at that, if they already know what it was then they should start making the vaccines for the population of the world!

I don't usually pay much attention to conspiracy theories but if this virus takes off big time in Iran I will be open to wondering why China first and then Iran?

Looking at spread figures here, Iran seems to be well down the cases order to me.

 

According to Al Jazeera the first 2 cases have been reported in Iran. Both were elderly Iranian residents of Qom. Neither had travelled outside of Qom. Both died. Toot also reported this in her "special interest" thread. The figures you put up above are thus not correct for Iran.

 

Correction: I meant toot's "Interesting stuff to share" thread.

Things are changing rapidly.

 

Interesting chart RnR - I believe also there is ONE in South Africa to date?

 

What that map indicates is the countries with the most people with the virus tour outside their home countries.

For instance Africa has not many infections of the virus and I don't think many Africans tour around, the majority of them that are outside their countries are students going to study.

Same applies to South America.

Britons stuck on 'coronavirus cruise' will finally be airlifted home on FRIDAY says the Foreign Office... days after other countries rescued their passengers off 'bungled breeding ground' Britons stuck on 'coronavirus cruise liner' will finally be airlifted home TOMORROW

Britons on the coronavirus-stricken cruise ship docked off the coast of Japan will be evacuated by plane on Friday, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said on Wednesday evening. On their return they will be housed in Arrowe Park Hospital on the Wirral. British passengers have had to remain in quarantine until their evacuation flight was put in place, as a total of 621 cases of the the virus were diagnosed on board. It comes as a Japanese disease expert branded the Diamond Princess quarantine a 'major failure', 'completely inadequate' and a 'mistake' as he slammed the 'bureaucrats' in charge. Professor Kentaro Iwata (inset) said he placed himself in a 14-day quarantine for fear of infecting his family after a brief visit on board the Diamond Princess (right) in Yokohama yesterday. The Kobe University infectious diseases expert said conditions on the ship were 'completely chaotic' and violated quarantine rules. His video has racked up more than a million views amid a barrage of criticism of Japanese authorities after 542 people were infected during the lockdown (bottom left passengers leaving this morning after testing negative for the virus). He said the situation on board the vessel was worse than previous outbreaks he had dealt with, such as Ebola in Africa and the 2003 SARS crisis in China, as he feared he would become infected.

I would be the last person to uphold Political Correctness for the sake of it but the heading here would sound a little accusatory at least to any with a racist streak. COVID-19 is virus and virii can spring up anywhere apparently fairly regardless of race. China is the focus here geographically and that is fair but we have already seen people use this for other purposes and anything which promotes that would be better avoided.

Another side of this. It is highly unfortunate that measures cannot be taken to get chinese and other enrolled asian students here. Some of them must be in difficult circumstances by now. We must have immigration controlled centres vacant which could take a lot of students for 14 days of isolation before joining their universities physically. They could also work on-line. It would probably be adviseable that we rig up isolation of flight staff areas and mechanical air handling in aircraft.

Most did not but some of those taken to Christmas Island complained. That is not worth listening to. If people do not hold common good in sufficient bearing to put up with a break to ensure general safety on a beautiful island they will never otherwise manage to get to there is something wrong with their thinking. 

The Diamond Princess. Why would authorites leave people on the boat where those without infection would  be breathing the same air, touching the same handrails and eating the same food prepared by the same people as those infected? Would it not have been better to set up temporary accommodation with various levels of isolation until people could be graduated out of it? 

 

Two coronavirus cases confirmed among Australian Diamond Princess evacuees in Darwin.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-21/coronavirus-confirmed-among-diamond-princess-evacuees/11987368

The 164 people from the cruise ship will spend two weeks in quarantine at the Howard Springs quarantine centre.

The toll grows

"Four Australians who were evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship on Thursday are confirmed to have coronavirus

On Friday night two Queensland women, aged 54 and 55, tested positive for COVID-19 and will be flown to Brisbane for further treatment. 

Earlier on Friday, a 78-year-old man from Western Australia was transferred to Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital in Perth. His wife will travel with him but then be isolated at home for two weeks.

The other patient is a 24-year-old woman from South Australia, who will be transferred to Royal Adelaide Hospital."

 Suzi there are another two people now.  Total 6, at 9.15am Perth time.

Suze hi.

How many of the worlds population had flu last winter/autumn is there a record of people that suffered from the flu recorded by WHO?  Not forgetting there is a vaccine for the flu.

Recoveries 18,178  of the Covid-19

Deaths        2,247

Victims      76,200

What happened to the rest of the suffers?

 

The WHO’s Global Influenza Programme provides global standards for influenza surveillance. In addition, it collects and analyzes virological and epidemiological influenza surveillance data.

Surveillance and monitoring of influenza

Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System (GISRS)

https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/2020_02_17_influenza_update_361.png

 

I thought you would be interested in this story I found on MSN: http://a.msn.com/01/en-au/BB10g5qA?ocid=se2  

Senior high school students from China will be allowed to travel to Australia under a strict exemption announced by the Federal Government.

Federal Education Minister Dan Tehan today revealed Year 11 and 12 students from mainland China, excluding from Hubei province, would be considered on a case-by-case basis.

I say NO WAY -- till this Virus has been proved to have been gone!

 

I find this very difficult to comprehend in view that the Chinese now say the incubation period is 24 days.

Also from News .com

"The number of new coronavirus cases may be dropping in China, but a health expert has made a grim discovery about some patients who have recovered.

“We should not be relaxed. The figure may go up again,” Zhao Jianping, who is leading an expert team working to contain the outbreak in Hubei.

He said there were cases where recovered patients showed traces of the virus through nucleic acide tests.

There were also results in Canada where swabs taken from two people who had recovered revealed they still had traces of the virus.

“This is dangerous. Where do you put these patients? You can’t send them home because they might infect others, but you can’t put them in hospital as resources are stretched,” he said.

Also why are they contaminating all these diferent hospitals in all the different States ???

I cannot understand as to why self quarantine should be allowed .... they could always open up the Parliament House in Canberra and let the Pollies look after them.

 

Pollies are a "virus" within themselves anyway!  lol

Ye gods Suze, I would hate to be looked after by a Pollie!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8032385/Coronavirus-experts-say-NOT-rising-numbers-infections-fear.html?ito=email_share_article-image-share 

A surge in untraceable clusters of new coronavirus patients around the globe has caused experts to warn that 'containment methods are not going to work'. 

In South Korea, Singapore and Iran, clusters of infections are leading to a jump in cases of the new viral illness outside China. World Health Organization officials said China's crackdown on parts of the country bought time for the rest of the world to prepare for the new virus. 

But as hot spots emerge around the globe, trouble finding each source - the first patient who sparks every new cluster - might signal the disease has begun spreading too widely for tried-and-tested steps to stamp it out.

'A number of spot fires, occurring around the world is a sign that things are ticking along, and what we are going to have here is probably a pandemic,' said Ian Mackay, who studies viruses at Australia's University of Queensland. 

 

Viruses vary in how they infect. The new coronavirus - unlike its cousins SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, and MERS, or Middle East respiratory syndrome - spreads as easily as a common cold.

And it's almost certainly being spread by people who show such mild symptoms that no one can tell, said Dr. Amesh Adalja of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

Dr Adalja said: 'If that's the case, all of these containment methods are not going to work. It's likely mixed in the cold and flu season all over the place, in multiple countries' and gone unnoticed until someone gets severely ill.'

Fear is what controls people. This doctor is speculating which is not a good thing.

Apparently there a pockets of the virus that have gone through areas around the globe one is in Italy.

You need to read the whole article.

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