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What are the good old Aussie values?

 

Announcing yesterday a new, tougher citizenship test, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said that while Australia is now very much multi-cultural, our traditional values shouldn't be forgotten.

"We're not defined by race or religion or culture, as many other nations are. We're defined by commitment to common values, political values, the rule of law, democracy, freedom, mutual respect, equality for men and women.

"These fundamental values are what make us Australian. So when you look in the mirror, when an Australian can look like a person from any race, any background in the world, but what we share are those values. And our citizenship process should reflect that," said Mr Turnbull.

However, it’s these good old Aussie values that seem to be causing some confusion. Just what are they and how can they be defined or incorporated into a 20-question test?

 

What do you think are the great Aussie values? And which one do you think needs to be re-embraced?

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We all know where the problems lie. 

The sooner certain people in this country realise this is a secular country the better;  learn to accept our laws, our way of life and don't try  to change us and our systems and don't bring centuries of hatred into this country.

The day I see the army and police in full riot gear routinely stationed on street corners like Paris I will know we are losing the battle.

 

"On the cobbled alleyways of Montmartre, as a busker warbled La Vie en Rose and street artists painted watercolours of the view over Paris, Master Corporal Jean-Claude had been up since dawn leading a platoon of soldiers on patrol in full camouflage and flak jackets with fingers resting lightly near the triggers of their assault rifles.

“Our mission is to protect, dissuade and reassure,” he said in clipped tones, as his men from the 3rd Marine Infantry Regiment, normally based in Brittany, snaked past pavement cafes, tour groups and couples kissing, scanning all around for bombs or terrorists.

A young man leapt forward to ask for a selfie with the bizarre, yet now commonplace, sight of combat troops on the streets of Paris. “Sorry, rules don’t allow it,” said a senior officer who had spent most of his career serving in difficult war zones he was not allowed to name.

Children stared open-mouthed at the guns. Locals smiled and the occasional tourist came forward to ask for directions to famous landmarks. “I’m not from Paris but I’m slowly getting to know the place and I always try to help,” said a heavily armed junior soldier who grew up in rural Normandy.

After last year’s terrorist attacks on Paris, the president, François Hollande, declared that France was at war and swiftly saturated the streets of main cities with soldiers standing guard in full military fatigues to make people feel more secure. The now permanent presence of thousands of soldiers in khaki across the capital and major cities has transformed the image and mood of France."

This woman had a NZ passport.   It has been cancelled because she is a deemed a security risk by another country, not NZ.   She lives in Melbourne.

She is appealing in June.

This is her name:  Reham Mohamed Ahmed Fouda ....... I have not heard of her but I am sure we will in the future.  At the moment she is living in Melbourne.

I doubt we can deport her as she does not have another passport (that I know of).

Will be interesting to her the outcome of her appeal and what happens to her next.

 

 

 

What's the difference between Aussie values and general standards of decency and goodwill to your fellow man 

Years ago we had migrants from Italy, Greece, Holland, Malta and other European countries. In the seventies the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Sri Lankan and other Asians arrived. They settled in little enclaves in near to city subburbs, but they intergrated into the local communities and became good australians in their own right. The same cannot be said [yet] about the recent migrants from the Middle East. I hold out hope that one day we will praise them as the emulate  the europeans and Asians from the 50s and 70s.

What Turnbull says are Aussie values could be said to be values of many countries. He is a BS artist twisting sense to make hollow nonsense sound meaningful. 

What are our Aussie values and things that define our sense of national self? Some things that spring to mind are 'giving others a fair go'; enjoyment of harmless, cheeky larrikinism; knocking high and mighty pretentiousness and attachment to status; easygoing casualness; love of the outdoors, spaciousness and the wonderful diversity of our landscape; valuing a welfare system that reflects caring about the welfare of people in need; friendliness and openness to others; cheeky directness. These are just a few things that immediately spring to mind - I'm sure there is much more.

 

 

How are your Aussie values" different from common sense  values of decent people

and the hopes and dreams of all 

Robi, I am afraid Aussie values have been somewhat sullied by two successif governments who have demonstrated their value system by opening and operating Internment Camps.

 I believe that Adolf came to power by sprouting national values and patriotism too.  And the people followed him because he made them feel safe and he gave them a false sense of hope.

Values are something that need to be demonstrated, not put into campaign slogans, and sprouted during election periods.

I applaud your attempt at setting out the values we should try to attain, but unfortunatley our so called  leaders have let us down.

But don't give up, I suspect there are more people like you that we never hear from, and that is what the politicians are counting on.  A pity we can not just "give others a faair go", it would be a good place to start.

Adolf Hitler was the first to ban keeping humans in cages for entertainment. I think he may have started off okay but got crazier as time went on, that's why we have to not assume politicians will always do what they say and vice versa, things can change at the drop of a hat. Keep an eye on all of them.

Our "good old Aussie values" can only be upheld if those arriving are willing to accept them. If they are not willing to accept, then they should not come.

Hmmmm, did the British accept the values of the indigenous population when they arrived, maybe they should not have come?

ask some indigenous people what they think about 'aussie values'.

you may not like what they have to say.

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Yep, it has always been that way.

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It has always been so, the dominant society imposes its values on the weaker one.  How do we know whose values are better, why its the values of the ones strong enough to enforce them of course. 

Australia has a long history of racism and from what I've seen, you can't teach some old dogs new tricks. The white Australia policy still lingers in some minds and it will take another generation or so for this thinking to change or even longer.

People, I'm sorry to be the one to bring this news to you.

I will apologise to the Aboriginal people in advance for what I'm about to say.

It is with regret that as a child grows and learns the harsh realities a young country must grow. Australia is a youngster in the world. I say this because Aboriginal people arrived and became isolated, (mostly due to rising sea levels), and with very little contact or trade with other countries.

Our ideals were full of very good intention and were forged through the experience of hardship. Many of which were adopted from Aboriginals.

As a young nation we cannot take any pride in admitting that our ideals are not suited to the modern world.

We must change.

We must grow.

We must protect what little remains of our carefree, secure lifestyle. Yes this magnitude of change is difficult for many of us, but we need to consider the future of our young.

Australian Values? We will see if we have learned anything over the last 200 years? Will we draw on our experiences and adaptibility in the same way which made this country the greatest nation on Earth?

It is a pleasure reading the comments made so far as they are considered and made with honesty. I don't neceesarily agree with all of them but that is what makes life rich and interesting.

It is almost impossible to rigidly define Australian Values as each individual will give their own interpretation of what they think they should be. I think it would be fair to say we don't want politicians to define our values for us as they have shown themselves to be living an almost cloistered and cosseted existence compared to the rest of us.  

If pushed I would say Australian Values are Fairness, Tolerance and Friendship. These three to me encompass the Rule of Law, or the Law should include these three, and also provide the basis for a society that functions well for everybody.

I have no idea how these can be tested as, in common with vitually every test, knowing what is required any dunderhead, or devious person, will pass. 

You are so right Tom. I feel if to come to live in this adopted Country you leave all your old baggage behind and embrace what we have to offer. Which are excactly the values you describe. Mind you, I think the Good Neighbour Council as we had it 65 years ago would go a long way to help the newcomers. And Night classes in English. I am not aware that any of this is offered. Hope some one can prove me wrong.

 

All I can say reading thus far is some misleading ideas around.

WAP for instance was brought about by the Labor party in order to stop just the exact same thing that this government today is doing with  457 visa's -stopping the bringing in of foreign workers and paying them less money , a lot less money than Aussie workers.

That is History. Nothing to do with skin colour.

Australian values are that of most western nations in fact. The rule of law and ability to work and raise a family. To vote in elections and expect to be treated equally and fairly and understand that there will always be those with more money so a better life than ours maybe but they should still be subject to same laws. ( and pay the "same percentage of income tax on their gross income" as we who are the working majority and on PAYE have no way of avoiding directly do. As well as this has become norm due to those donations for favours to political parties)

And the "she'll be right mate"ways of Australians of old are favoured by myself, a wonderful warm country it was too, back when we first arrived. Sadly its changed over the 50 years since then. As have most western counries.

I for once applaud Turnbull, whatever his motives as this 457 & Citizenship change will do the country a big favour if it stops or slows immigration til we catch up, and also limit it to those who want to live our way, fit in and be true blue.

And for once he has listened to us!

Supply and Demand rule most things today, only way to halt the house price rise is to halt the demand.

Overpopulation is the world's biggest problem no one is facing yet.

Malcolm said ", migrants will now face a longer wait, tougher language tests and will be asked to prove how they’ve integrated into Australian society."

By joining a club, he said, integrating, he said. I expect to see a long queue of migrants outside the Woollahra RSL. Hope no one objects.

 

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