Election 2016: what matters most to you

What are the policies that matter most to you in Election 2016?

Election 2016 policies

Many Australians are said to be ‘switching off’ from election news as this long campaign grinds to an end. There is a sense of boredom, frustration, and perhaps a lack of belief that anything substantial will change regardless of which party forms our next federal government.

But YourLifeChoices sees this election differently. Here is your once in three-years’ chance to vote on the issues that matter most to you and your family – and those that will help you lead a dignified life in retirement.

So we have carefully reviewed the thousands of comments you have shared with us on articles related to policy and defined the following 10 policy areas as those of most interest and concern to our members:

  • climate change and renewable energy
  • immigration
  • retirement income
  • royal commission into banking sector
  • health including Medicare, PBS benefits
  • housing affordability
  • taxation, personal and company
  • communications – NBN rollout
  • employment for mature workers
  • is there a Minister for Ageing?

Next we approached the three major parties (Liberal National Party Coalition, Labor Party and Greens) on your behalf and requested they share their policies on these 10 key issues. We asked the campaign headquarters representative to limit their responses to 40 words per item – a total of around 400 words per political party.

Sadly, the Greens did not choose to share their policies. The Labor Party submitted a 3-page document, around 1000 words. The LNP Coalition sent us a 12-page PDF which we can only guess to contain about 3000 words. So in the interests of fairness, we have reduced both parties’ statements to the same length and removed any references to their belief that they have a better policy than their opponents.

So here are the two statements on the above policy points.
Labor Party policies 2016 
Coalition policies 2016 





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    HarrysOpinion
    17th Jun 2016
    10:16am
    The approach by Your Life Choices to the three major parties is not on my behalf, where did you get that presumption from? All three major parties are betraying the real Australians and all 3 will be the last three on my ballot vote at the forthcoming election.
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    11:34am
    And after not getting an Invite to the End of Ramadan Pig Out at Kirribilli.. me too ! :-(
    TREBOR
    17th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    Damn it - you two got in before me.......
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    12:59pm
    At least (HIS) guests at the Sumptuous End of Ramadan Fiesta had an Agenda for their future !! Unlike the Host :-( :-(
    marls
    17th Jun 2016
    1:08pm
    i will not be voting for the major parties they do not have the australian people at heart
    TREBOR
    17th Jun 2016
    1:13pm
    Parti - and apparently plenty of money to sustain their program for our enlightened future. The mentioned Shady character (sic) spends many trips offshore........ no shortage of cash in the mullah business... all not covered by tax since it is a religion.

    Hmmm - just hmmmmm......
    Patriot
    18th Jun 2016
    8:40am
    Major Parties are TOXIC!
    particolor
    19th Jun 2016
    9:32am
    And a HEALTH & WEALTH Hazard :-(
    niemakawa
    17th Jun 2016
    10:30am
    "sadly the Greens did not choose to share their policies" No surprise there, they do not have any. As for Liberal and Labor both will most certainly back-track on their policies and many of them will not even see the light of day. Neither party to be trusted to do the right thing for Australia and its people. Vote Australian Liberty Alliance a party with strong policies that promote Australian values.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    10:44am
    I heard Di Natalie on the 7:30 Report last night. The Greens do actually have policies but because they are only a minor party I understand that their policies may not be as comprehensive as the majors.
    Whilst I liked what I heard what kills the Greens for me is that there is an idiotic belief that you can bring immigrants/refugees to this country and the other 57 million people in the same boat (sic) will not come. Unbelievable! And then there is the call to increase Aid budgets when we as a nation are borrowing money. Gah gah!
    The Greens have a way to go yet. When they come down out of the trees I'l look at them again. Until then I'll back trh Xenophon team with the hope that Nick brings some accountability to the parliament and that the bulletproof bastards who play the my turn your turn game are brought to their knees. Needs to happen.
    wally
    17th Jun 2016
    3:08pm
    No surprises with the Greens. They still believe in Santa Claus. If all their announcements are any indication of their policies, there will not be any one working or paying taxes if they gain power.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:49pm
    Yes and no. I listened to Di Natalie last night and he had merit but came undone with his ideas on immigration and foreign aid. Illogical positions and vote losers. End of story!
    Old Geezer
    17th Jun 2016
    5:29pm
    Every time that Sarah Hanson-Young opens her mouth I ask myself os she for real? Anyone else have same reaction?
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    7:46pm
    Every time she opens her mouth everyone else's Drops Open !! :-) :-)
    Aussie
    17th Jun 2016
    11:11am
    Well just wait for 2017 with Euro and other political and war problems in Europe Australia is no longer the Lucky country is now a brother of USA in all respects and very very unsafe to live You have to be inside by no later than 5 or 6PM else there is a risk of been attacked in one way or another .... so do not hang around on the shops or anywhere on the streets.
    And even driving is also unsafe with the road rage because we drive a bit slow shit shit hard to live in Australia at the moment..
    Wait for 2017 for the pension adjustments and other cuts as already indicated by the 2 parties
    Looks that the only safe countries to live in peace are some Asian and South American countries

    Lucky for me I will be out by December I hope
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    12:01pm
    We always follow the US and will be held hostage to the European economy as well. We survived 2008 because of China but next time around look out as our 'get out of jail' card used up.
    We all need to keep in mind that the Turnbull tax cuts for the rich, if implemented, will result in half of the cuts going straight to overseas investors. That tells you how much of the country our governments have flogged off. In the meantime we have to import almost everything due to shutting down manufacturing in favour of cheaper imports.
    We will pay the piper at some time..........and only then will you hear the screams of the (blind) voting public who have suddenly taken an interest.
    Let's hope for the best.............
    buby
    17th Jun 2016
    7:03pm
    i"m SORRY Mick, how did we survive because of China, sheez i Much doubt it!
    We gave China the best of our metals, and all we get in return is the left over rubbish. More like we helped them. NOT them helped us!!
    And they still helping themselves to our Land OUR homes......and our money if they can get it.
    Even if its not really OUR money lol.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    8:39pm
    Perspective. It is certainly wrong for politicians to sell off land to foreign governments and it reeks of 'I'm alright Jack' until 100 years time when we need our productive farming land to feed US, not China. China NEVER relinquished land it owns so expect a bad outcome if not war.
    SGW
    17th Jun 2016
    9:25pm
    Most people are to stupid to vote, i would say most of the people i know don't even know what preferences are let alone were they go
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    4:16pm
    Your chance to educate...or find new friends worthy of the title.

    17th Jun 2016
    11:21am
    Two major parties - more like three major disasters.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    12:04pm
    If it were possible to convince the (mindless) voting public to elect dozens of Independents then good government would follow as Independent*s are not owned by either unions or big business, so you have government in its true sense rather than policy for vested interests.
    Why do I keep blowing the same trumpet............? Talk about a voice in the wilderness!
    Aussie
    17th Jun 2016
    12:10pm
    Check out the Liberal Democratic party ???? maybe is a new blood and maybe good for the country ????
    marls
    17th Jun 2016
    1:13pm
    i am voting ALA, or pauline hanson
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    1:29pm
    Aussie: I checked out the Liberal Democratic Party. Same policies as the coalition so definitely a no go. Under that party we'd still be getting class warfare and the company tax rate cuts to the rich would still be on.

    marls: apparently Hanson has been approached by the LNP for her preferences. Not sure where that is heading but I think Hanson would not be doing a grubby deal with the Liberal Party. You may find other worthy Independents in your state as well.
    wally
    17th Jun 2016
    3:24pm
    The problem we have with independents is that the voters don't know who they are electing to the Senate, except in a few cases, like Xenophon or Wilkie. With new "newbie" independents you are taking your chances on a six year Lucky Dip in that you hope that things turn out to your liking.

    With Mick's suggestion of electing dozens of independent candidates, I can see the political squabbling and refusal to cooperate as leading to failure to form stable government for anything like a meaningful period of time and we will see elections in Australia becoming an annual event That may or may not be a bad thing, as Italy seems to do fairly well as a democracy.
    Sceptic
    17th Jun 2016
    4:22pm
    Oh yes, it is completely clear what independent's policies are. Generally none. They enter with a personal agenda, yet people on this site advocate blindly selecting independents. Some even say that a majority of independents would result in good Government. What complete nonsense. Please use the little bit of brain that you have and you will see that another hung parliament, relying on independents for support will be chaos. A downgrade to the Australian credit rating will immediately follow. In fact it would happen faster than an ALP majority would cause. Personally I would prefer not to have an ALP majority in either of the houses, but I would rather that than a gaggle of economically and politically illiterate self centred independents.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:47pm
    wally: so did the current crossbench senators save us all from the taxes Abbott and his cronies were trying to bring in with the lie about a "Budget Emergency"........which never was? And now you have a go at those who saved our bacon.
    What you call "squabbling" I call horse trading. That is how a democratic government should work. Every Party has its internal divisions so your concern is not really valid methinks.
    Having dozens of Independents who are not fully owned subsidiaries of the big end of town is a good thing!

    Sceptic: we all know who you are plugging...the devil himself. You know full well that Independents assess policy ON MERIT. They do not need to come with a whole bunch of window dressing policies because THEY ARE NOT THE GOVERNMENT!!
    Of course you don't want the ALP in either house or any Independents in the parliament. That is what Turnbull has been pushing for the past week...that only the coalition can do a good job in government. Ha, ha, ha.....yeah, give the big end of town a tax cut whilst the rest of us get new taxes and tax increases. Give me a break mate.
    wally
    18th Jun 2016
    12:58pm
    Hi mick, with the tendency of independents to be single issue candidates ( ie Nick Xenophon's anti poker machine stance and Ricky Muir's motor sport advocacy ) who knows what they will do when once in office? Tony Windsor and Rob Oakschot are two prime examples of how once trusted independents dump all over their constituents once in office and pursue policies to further their own agendas.

    With the plethora of aspiring independent candidates offering their services and the media's failure to explore what the independents' likely voting pattern will be once elected, choosing to vote for an independent can be a tricky, if not risky affair inthat you do not really know what you are going to wind up with. mick, according to you the cross benchers saved us.

    If you mean "us" to be the ALP Axis with the Greens, I would agree with you. If we compare Australia's budget deficit crisis that Labor left Australia with in 2013 with a leaky life boat, the Abbott's efforts to plug the leaks and save the boat were effectively sabotages by the ALP- Green axis abetted by most of the cross benchers. So after three years, the mess goes on courtesy of the ALP and their friends in the senate.

    We have seen the dysfunctional mess parliament has become over the past three years. So mick, do you think choosing more independents that may or may not go feral is going to be an improvement over the mess we have seen they helped make during and since 2013?
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    4:15pm
    Your spiel about Independents misses what they did for average Australians during the current parliament. Whilst you malign Independents you need to remember that these MPs blocked the Abbott taxes on workers. If these people were not in the senate then we would have had a whole raft of new taxes by now + tax cuts for the rich. Is that really government for the nation????
    You should be grateful that the cross bench senators held the fort no matter who they are.
    Please have a look at all of the comparison graphs at the link below. It shows the inaccuracy of your post:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/jun/14/new-research-abbott-and-turnbull-the-worst-economic-managers-since-menzies?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+AUS+v1+-+AUS+morning+mail+callout&utm_term=177148&subid=18943470&CMP=ema_632

    You go on to make statements about disfunctional government and about the current government being sabotaged. Come on wally are you for real? Abbott tried to destroy government in this country whilst in opposition. That my friend is real sabotage.
    You complain that Abbott was stopped from implementing budget 'repair'. That is bunkum as Abbott could have forced multinational companies to pay tax. None of that! He could have stopped the superannuation rorts for the rich. None of that either. And then Turnbull could not have tried tax cuts for the rich because according to you we cannot afford that. But tax cuts is precisely what this arrogant piece of work tried on.
    I stand by my call. Whoever wins this election will have INdependents there to deal with despite the best attempts from this government to push them out of the parliament. Thank God we have them. The alternative is government by any other word.
    ex PS
    18th Jun 2016
    4:41pm
    Sceptic, I am not voting for the Independents I am voting against the to so calleds, there is a difference. Hopefully if one of the so called major parties win the Independents will keep them under some form of control.
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    9:25pm
    Many people will be casting a protest vote. In the end Independents saved our bacon during the last 3 years with Abbott and Turnbull screaming 'mandate' and 'blocked legislation' as their attacks on working Australians were sent to the senate.
    Pretty obvious why this government has worked so hard to try and remove the cross bench senators. How else do you establish your dictatorship?
    wally
    19th Jun 2016
    11:22am
    Mick, I am sceptical about your claim about how the independents saved our tax paying children and grandchildren from paying taxes during Abbott's time in office. All that did was post pone the day of reckoning when Australians will no longer be able to ignore Australia's overseas debt. That is, when the accumulation of straws on the Aussie camel's back

    I am also suspicious of comparison graphs (BTW how long did it take you to type out that https/ address, anyway? you have more patience that I have!) and other pretty pictures that purport to add illustrations to computer models commissioned by interested (government departments, for example ) parties.


    Just as figures don't lie, liars can figure. And who is to say that another organisation (or two, or ten for that matter, are not commissioning their own computer modelling exercises) will be able to provide a computer model diametrically opposed to the conclusions arrived at by the first computer model. When we are told that the "Science is established" and no further correspondence will be entered into, we can see the big end of town and their fat cat cronies in government and the bureaucracy have over committed themselves into promoting and propagating the "Big Lie" whether it regards the climate or economic forecasting for Australia or the world.

    You claim that Abbott should have tried to tax the big international companies in Australia. I can agree with that, but when Abbott was PM, how much fuss did anyone make about that? But then, the big international companies and their tax obligations were allowed to cruise under the radar for decades before Abbott became PM. How long would it take to create legislation to bring about a more equitable tax regime for the internationals? I can see the Lawyers Picnic that would ensue and keep the high Court busy for years while the wrangling over that is sorted out. But still, an attempt should have been made. I wonder if plans to tax the internationals are being made behind closed doors now?
    Bigfoot
    17th Jun 2016
    11:24am
    It is clearly obvious that the Australian public have no concern for this Country's debt as you have not included in the list for the parties to comment, "What are your policies that will help to reduce Australia's debt". The general public get sucked in by the lame promises of items that will be to their personal benefit but have no regard as to how those promises will be funded. The attitude appears to be, 'Just give me what I want and its your concern as to how it will be funded and I will shoot you down when you fail on the promises and the debt reduction'.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    12:06pm
    The Abbott government was elected with the Paid Parental Leave promise/lie. It is sad that voters always seem to vote for their bank accounts rather than the good of the country.
    niemakawa
    17th Jun 2016
    4:42pm
    Mick I trust you include Labor voters in your opinion. It is also sad that anyone that views the good of the country as a priority then they are called or perceived to be "Right Wing" "Nationalistic" "Bigots" "Racist" to name a few. I will be voting for Australian Liberty Alliance, a party which has policies that benefit all Australians and puts the interest of Australia first and foremost.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    5:02pm
    I do. And that doesn't mean we are married. Chuckle....
    ex PS
    18th Jun 2016
    5:06pm
    If a political organisation makes promisses in order to win an election it is up to them to find the funding, better still don't make promisses if you know you can't fund them.
    Abbot did more than make promises he could not afford, he lied knowing that he couldn't produce the goods. Malcolm is a better man, but it is obvious that he is being controlled by the same backroom thugs that backed Abbot.
    If a government acts like Right Wing, Nationalistic, Racist Biggots, it deserves the title, and if we let them get away with it, so do we.
    I can see a direct corrolation between how we treat legal Assylum Seekers and the way the jews were treated in the mid 1900's.
    That particular leader vilified a minority group to win an election too.
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    11:35am
    The HOMELESS Before Immigration !!
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    12:06pm
    Come on particolor you have a tent so not homeless.
    Aussie
    17th Jun 2016
    12:09pm
    he he a tent he he he mick UR Ummmmmmm he he he
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    12:43pm
    Just kidding particolor.
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    12:48pm
    I WASNT talking about ME !! :-(
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    1:15pm
    I know of a tent sale. The 2 door version is cheap. Complete with air conditioning.
    marls
    17th Jun 2016
    1:15pm
    we need to look after our own before paying immigrants to have 4 wives and dozens on children at taxpayers expense
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    1:20pm
    I might consider giving any man who has multiple wives and dozens of children insane. Either that or give the guy a medal.
    The flipside is that Islam has a breeding culture. That way it at some time becomes the majority in any country of settlement. The precise reason we need to stop bringing in this culture UNLESS it westernizes. That sadly appears not to be happening.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    Now that doesn't make sense. I meant "give the man a medal"?
    wally
    17th Jun 2016
    3:26pm
    I know where parti can get a nice comfortable old station wagon to kip in. It would beat the hell out of a tent!
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:36pm
    But does it have air conditioning.
    wally
    18th Jun 2016
    1:06pm
    The rust holes in the station wagon make air conditioning unnecessary.
    Crazy Horse
    17th Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    Crazy Horse
    17th Jun 2016
    11:50am
    reply The Libs won Government by running down the economy despite the fact that Australia was one of the best performing economies right through the GFC. Since then they have tripled the deficit and destroyed the public service through irrational arbitrary cuts. They have for example cut some 4000 staff from the Tax Office, everyone of whom was more than paying for themselves. Now they cry crocodile tears about multi national tax avoidance while at the same time planning to give away $50 billion to their rich mates. They even want to give $7 billion to the big four banks.

    Meanwhile they are screwing seniors royally with their mean and nasty policies. Put the Liberals last. That's where they put you.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    12:48pm
    Actually the Libs won by lying to young mothers and promising them a Paid Parental Leave Scheme.....which they never had any intention of bringing in.
    The current government has run up a bill of $100 billion in new debt in 3 years, and almost tripled the deficit as well. No GFC even in sight!
    And now they want to give the big end of town, the coalition's constituency, a $50 billion handout whilst selling it as a job creator. It's nothing of the sort.
    All that Australians can expect if this bunch of misfits gets back in is MORE TAXES. That will be the only way of sustaining waste and tax cuts for the rich.
    VOTE FOR AN INDEPENDENT AND/OR LABOR lest this bunch get back in.
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    And ALL the Votes to be counted in a Public Place, With Multiple Scrutineers !! Or well end up Basket Cases like Britain, France, Sweden. Etc. :-(
    TREBOR
    17th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    .. and Il Presidente polled 89% of the vote - and that was the day BEFORE the election!
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    1:17pm
    And if not the election needs to be called null and void.

    17th Jun 2016
    1:26pm
    Interesting that you put the global warming hoax first on the list when all the polls I've seen have it about dead last!

    global warming SCAM DROPPED FROM POLL DUE TO LACK OF INTEREST! pic.twitter.com/uXABhfxAQx

    UN GLOBAL POLL: global warming DEAD LAST! Only the gullible fooled. pic.twitter.com/hGHq48oWNG

    global warming fraud about DEAD LAST in Europe as well! pic.twitter.com/FHhjyfxz8S

    Ch9 Poll: 69% Australians reject global warming hoax DESPITE UNRELENTING WARMIST PROPAGANDA http://joannenova.com.au/2014/11/nine-poll-shows-69-of-australians-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/

    Too Much global warming alarmism even for ABC Listeners http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/too_much_alarmism_even_for_abc_listeners/

    A wonder climate change scam is even on the list let alone at the bottom! pic.twitter.com/e4YyRUHqAg

    “Very difficult to find an issue US voters place Lower On The list than climate change fraud” http://joannenova.com.au/2014/11/74-million-spent-pushing-climate-change-but-us-voters-saw-through-the-scare/

    At last A REAL CONSENSUS! 97% of Americans not falling for global warming SCAM! http://joannenova.com.au/2014/05/only-3-of-americans-name-environment-as-top-issue-where-is-media-balance/

    GREAT! Clear majority 62% of Australians either sceptical or "denialist"! http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/public-not-buying-a-climate-apocalypse/story-fni0d8gi-1226870210323
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    1:34pm
    LUVCO2 = coal man!
    A pity there are still people like you who know full well what coal is doing to the planet but continue to try and tear down a future with clean energy.
    Nobody reads the BS you and your cohort post. It has been shown to be BS built on lies and deceit.

    You are fighting a losing battle. Not if. Just when!
    HarrysOpinion
    17th Jun 2016
    2:19pm
    But no one is admitting that global warming is heating up from within Earth's core, which means more volcanic activity emitting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. By far the most abundant volcanic gas is water vapor, which is harmless. However, significant amounts of carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, hydrogen sulfide and hydrogen halides can also be emitted from volcanoes. Depending on their concentrations, these gases are all potentially hazardous to people, animals, agriculture, and property. Don't be surprised to see old volcanoes coming alive and new ones being formed. The so called experts claim this represents only 1% of global warming but that is not true because figures disclose to date a 29% impact. When you read about the deep sea creatures coming up from their depths you will know that it's just getting too hot for them. Climate is also affected by the strength of solar flares. It's not just man made fossil fuel that has an impact on global warming and climate change that the $$$ opportunists lead you to believe. The powers of universe physics and chemistry have more of an impact for global warming and climate change and man's contribution has little significance. Look down from the outer space at yourself and you will realise that you are just the size of a microbe in the realm of our galaxy and universe.
    wally
    17th Jun 2016
    3:56pm
    Labor and the Greens have been jabbering on about renewable energy since Rudd was PM. During the six year Labor Years under Kevin and Julia, Kevin had a solar panel subsidy program going. When too many people signed up for it, Kevin scrapped it.

    They have done nothing positive about in since, to produce solar panels or wind generators here in Australia, instead importing them from overseas. Instead Julia chose to punish everyone from the lowliest pensioner to the biggest corporation with the Carbon Tax we were not going to get lumbered with. All they do is perform the cultural cringe grovel before the United Nations and promise to tax us all with more expensive electricity charges.

    So where does the Carbon Tax money that the Australian government collects and hands over to the United Nations wind up? We are told that this money is intended to be passed on to backward countries to help them cope with Climate Change. So what will the backward countries spend this money on? Will they spend it on up grading the air conditioning to cool the offices of the ruling fat cats? Will they buy coal powered electricity generating plants so they can run their air conditioners? Will they buy air conditioned limosines so the fat cats can drive around in splendid isolation from the "great unwashed" part of their population?

    Our leaders ( including Malcolm) are good at telling us about all the "good" our money is going to do in the backward world, but not a peep about the nuts and bolts about how and where it is going to be spent. As one P Hanson once asked, "Please Explain'
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:35pm
    wally: renewables WAS working. In SA and Qld. solar was accounting for 25% of all electricity generation. So the coal industry pushed its man into office and the Carbon Tax was repealed. Then came anything else to do with renewable energy.
    Carbon Tax money being handed over to the UN???? Please explain as I have no idea what you are talking about.
    The reality of life is that clean energy is coming. Electric cars and battery storage are here. Remember the chestnut about 'baseload' and 'the sun doesn't shine at night' we got from the likes of LUVCO2 above and other coal industry trolls? Never here that crap any more.

    Coal will still be with us for a while. How long depends on how well the industry and their governments block renewable energy as well as the rate of development. I already have a few bob in lithium interests and am seriously looking at a possible better one: graphene. We live in exciting times which are being held up by the old guard looking after business but it's all coming. Hold onto your seats.
    wally
    19th Jun 2016
    11:42am
    Mick. I agree with you about exciting times coming, but I would advise to punters to hold on to their wallets. So solar is accounting for 25% of all electricity generation in S.A. and Qld? At what cost? Do people living in those states pay more or less for electricity in other Australian states?

    Rudd demonstrated his commitment to solar power when he introduced his scheme to offer rebates to people who installed solar panels on the roofs. He granted a generous buy back scheme for surplus electricity fed back into the electricity grid. Then he stopped it when the uptake by the punters caused the money he allocated for the scheme ran out. (A rare, ((if not unique)) example of Rudd displaying financial responsibility!) So where is the governmental support for solar energy now? And do the governments of QLD and SA continue installing "bird choppers" AKA wind generators?

    Of course all of this renewable energy nonsense is just fiddling around the edges, when Australia should grow up and install nuclear power stations to provide cheap and efficient electricity for Australian homes and businesses.

    17th Jun 2016
    1:36pm
    GO LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!
    AT LAST A VOICE OF SANITY IN THIS ELECTION!
    David L has my vote...
    https://youtu.be/-n_8r0LU1i0
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    1:39pm
    And a vote for the Liberal Party. Coal will burn forever and renewables will be scuttled!

    17th Jun 2016
    1:40pm
    Hi Mick you wrote
    "you who know full well what coal is doing to the planet"

    Yes I know full well!

    18 million square kilometers more greenery due to “carbon pollution” that the Greens hate
    Obviously we need a $10 billion dollar program to stop this immediately!

    Humans are Greening planet Earth — ABC
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-26/global-snapshot-shows-how-humans-are-greening-the-earth/7346382
    http://joannenova.com.au/2016/04/18-million-square-kilometers-more-greenery-due-to-carbon-pollution-that-the-greens-hate/


    Report: Benefits outweigh costs of CO2 500:1 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/24/report-benefits-outweight-costs-of-carbon-50-to-1/

    Extra CO2 Drives US Corn Yield Up Record 4.5x Since 1950! pic.twitter.com/AjV7wpa5X5

    US & Global Crop Production Sets New Records in 2014. Thanks to more CO2! http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2014/09/25/us-global-crop-production-sets-new-records-2014#.VCW4rGf0-iU.twitter

    BENEFIT of carbon “pollution”: $3.5TRILLION in Agricultural Productivity! http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/10/the-social-benefit-of-carbon-3-5-trillion-in-agricultural-productivity/

    NEW SCIENTIST: THE GREAT GLOBAL GREENING: Our new lush Earth THANK YOU CO2! http://ow.ly/H0AU7
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    2:09pm
    Crap. You do not need multiple propaganda posts to say what everybody knows is a con job.

    17th Jun 2016
    1:45pm
    Hey Mick you wrote "And a vote for the Liberal Party. Coal will burn forever and renewables will be scuttled! "

    So you too are MISANTHROPIC just like the greenie hypocrites and love seeing people die from poverty.

    STUDY:No access to Fossil Fuels causes millions of Premature Deaths Amongst Poorest http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/lack-of-access-to-fossil-fuels-causing.html?m=1 …

    NOTHING banishes poverty like cheap, reliable (COAL) power! http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/tony-thomas/2014/09/coal-theres-just-alternative/

    Energy restrictions due to climate change HYSTERIA threaten the poor http://dld.bz/dBJce

    Fastest way to kill off large no's of people: Ensure not enough energy to heat houses etc

    The poor are collateral damage in the MISANTHROPIC green "war" on coal http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_poor_are_collateral_damage_in_the_green_war_on_coal/

    "coal crucial to pulling the world’s poorest out of ?“energy poverty” http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/coal_always_wins_and_will_stay_boyce_c14YrmhAsWrqh02HpCb82H

    IEA recognizes reality: Coal the path out of poverty in SE Asia pic.twitter.com/kHxLzeBJc4 http://www.energy-facts.org/
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    2:10pm
    Crap. You do not need multiple propaganda posts to say what everybody knows is a con job.
    ex PS
    18th Jun 2016
    4:48pm
    MICK, why did you get him started, we now have hours and hours of reading to do about how Global Warming is a good thing. To make things worse I swear this bloke gets a commision from the polluters for every word he types against saving the environment.

    17th Jun 2016
    1:53pm
    Hey Mick Liberal Democrats are NOTHING LIKE THE COALITION OR LABOR.
    THEY ARE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
    Check out the video ...
    https://youtu.be/-n_8r0LU1i0
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    2:10pm
    Crap. You do not need multiple propaganda posts to say what everybody knows is a con job.
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    2:15pm
    Scrutinize the Preferences Mick !! :-)
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    2:17pm
    And JAIL Them for FRAUD if they change AFTER the Election !! YEP !!
    ex PS
    18th Jun 2016
    4:54pm
    It's on youtube, that's good enough for me.

    17th Jun 2016
    2:15pm
    BREATHTAKING HYPOCRISY FROM THE GREENS.
    DON'T TRUST THESE SHIFTY BASTARDS!

    Earth to the Greens: No coal means no steel
    Minerals Council of Australia CEO Brendan Pearson exposes either the Greens’ ignorance or their hypocrisy. Maybe both:
    Some instances of hypocrisy are so truly audacious in scale, so blissfully ignorant of irony, so completely lacking in self-awareness that they simply take the breath away.

    A textbook example is the Greens’ support for the Arrium steelworks in Whyalla.
    To see the Greens supporting heavy industry (rather than deriding it as a big polluter) is a welcome development.
    BUT, BUT, BUT ...
    The problem is that the Greens want to phase out the use of coal.
    And coal is a primary feedstock for the steelworks in Whyalla (as well as Bluescope’s Port Kembla plant).
    You cannot make steel in a blast furnace without coal.

    http://www.minerals.org.au/news/earth_to_greens_no_coal_means_no_steel
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    3:14pm
    Crap. You do not need multiple propaganda posts to say what everybody knows is a con job.
    RogerA
    18th Jun 2016
    2:05am
    Hmmm, LUVCO2 is very ignorant to claim "No coal means no steel", as there are electrolytic reduction and hydrogen reduction methods available for producing metallic iron from iron ore without using carbon. Currently these methods are more expensive than carbon reduction, but as Bob Dylan once sang, "the times they are a changin'". With further research, and with growing willingness to curb global emissions of carbon dioxide, new methods are likely to emerge as viable. That is an incredible opportunity for Australia, blessed with great reserves of iron an aluminium ores, and an abundance of wind, solar and other non-coal ways to generate electric power. LUVCO2 and others, do a bit more reading, be forward looking, not mired in the past. For a bit of a start, see some non-technical readings:
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9878-electrolysis-may-one-day-provide-green-iron/
    http://phys.org/news/2013-05-electrolysis-method-green-iron.html
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cleaner-cheaper-way-to-make-steel-uses-electricity/
    https://dmse.mit.edu/publications/iron-metal-production-bulk-electrolysis-iron-ore-particles-aqueous-media
    http://technologies.research.gwu.edu/technologies/10-006-licht_carbon-dioxide-free-production-of-iron

    17th Jun 2016
    2:20pm
    Hey Mick you wrote "Crap. You do not need multiple propaganda posts to say what everybody knows is a con job. "

    So, inter alia, New Scientist, the ABC, the IEA, climatologist Dr Roy Spencer etc , are putting out crap propaganda are they?
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    3:14pm
    Crap. You do not need multiple propaganda posts to say what everybody knows is a con job.
    Trevine
    17th Jun 2016
    2:22pm
    Please DONT touch the pensions and Medicare, that's all we have. You can be assured I will NOT vote for you on July 3rd
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    3:15pm
    That is what the country needs. A pity there are so many Australians who do not have the common sense to see the obvious.
    Sceptic
    17th Jun 2016
    4:27pm
    July 3rd may be a bit late to try and vote for anybody Trevine.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    5:00pm
    Delayed postal vote?
    kinkakuji
    17th Jun 2016
    2:23pm
    Dairy industries now,already the main manufacturing industries are dead,cars, TVs ,refrigerators,clothing,shoes,steel industry,canning industries,etc etc.Then add to that they're bringing in cheap foreign labor at the expense of Aussies having a job,they're stuffing around with Medicare,they're selling anything Aussie off,Farmers are being trampled over by mining companies,coal mines are engulfing towns,CSG is poisoning the land and our children,average workers can no longer afford their own home,education standards are now amongst the lowest in the world, our broadband system makes us look like hillbillies,basically the list just goes on and on and on.Consider we've only ever had Labor or Liberal,it's not hard to see where the problem lies.To even consider to vote for more of the same defies any logic,actually it's sheer stupidity.Then to rub our noses into it they all end up with extravagant pensions and whatever else they can claim, even when they end up with positions with companies that they helped to rip off Australia.The old saying, better vote for the drovers dog, would be a better alternative.At least voting in independents may have teething problems,but anything has to be better than the mafia we now have parading as a government
    particolor
    17th Jun 2016
    2:33pm
    EXCELENT !! :-)
    niemakawa
    17th Jun 2016
    3:05pm
    It is all part of the NWO. All Western Governments are the enemy of the people to whom they purport to serve. They will stop at nothing to achieve their main GOAL, the downfall of our civilisation. Europe is in a downward spiral, fortunately the British are attempting to stop the rot and I hope BREXIT prevails. Lib/Lab/Greens are conspiring to bring about the demise of our society.
    niemakawa
    17th Jun 2016
    3:13pm
    And of course Mr Trump is on the side of the people and I sincerely hope he becomes President of the USA.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    3:19pm
    The Chinese government has already bought hundreds of dairy farms in Victoria. Freehold land, not just the businesses. Sold out by BOTH sides of politics!!!!
    I like your perspective kinkakuji.

    niemakawa: be careful what you wish for. Trump SAYS he is not a stoolie for big business but he is not a poor man in his own right. And then guess who's got his finger on the nukes button? Thank God we live in the land of destitute political parties and not near Europe of the US.
    scud
    17th Jun 2016
    6:08pm
    The latest figures on foreign farm ownership, released in 2014, show 11 per cent of Australia’s agriculture land was foreign owned. If you want to see who owns what, how much and where have a look by clicking on the locations on Google Maps at the following link: http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/the-real-picture-of-foreign-ownership-of-australian-farms/news-story/0c5abf7560911750bf22004c96bfb55c
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    3:51pm
    Thanks for the link scud.
    I have been on this topic for a couple of years but apparently nobody in power cares as long as foreign money is rolling in. The 11% GONE would be some of the best farming land we used to own. We all need to remember what 'freehold' land means......gone forever if the new owner does not sell. China won't be selling EVER!!!!!! What a country of idiots we must be to let this happen and not care.
    KB
    17th Jun 2016
    2:56pm
    There is a new party worth voting for in the Senate Mature Australia. They have some good policies
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    3:32pm
    I had a quick look KB. Apparently the Party has no policies. It might be acceptable if it gave a broad direction but no policies whatsoever? Also, I looked up the candidates and I have to say that these guys do look like a bunch of losers....not that one can always tell from photographs.
    Whilst I agree with voting for ANYBODY other than the 3 parties who are going to get the lion's share of votes there are better alternatives. As a starter the Xenophon Party if you are in SA or have a candidate sitting in another state or perhaps any of the current crossbench if they are on your ballot paper. Beyond that perhaps go for Labor ahead of Liberal....who deserve last place.
    Two weeks to go. Bring it on...........
    probins01
    17th Jun 2016
    3:00pm
    These responses are all bluff and bluster!
    None of the 3 major parties will keep their promises, which is par for the course.
    None of them could lie straight in bed, which is why I encourage all thinking Australians to support minor parties and independents this election!
    Note: I do not belong to any party, nor am I a candidate for any seat.
    However, I strongly believe that our only hope to change the status quo of 'tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber' on the political roundabout, is to use Turnbull's cynical Senate voting ploy against the 3 major parties.
    In the Lower House, number all boxes on the paper, but place the LNP, Labor and Greens LAST. In the Senate, number 6 boxes above the line and exclude the LNP, Labor and Greens completely, or better still, number 12 boxes of your choice below the line, excluding the LNP, Labor and Greens completely!
    This may lead to a hung parliament, but it would force a reduced quota of either LNP or Labor, to work with a Lower House cross-bench of diverse representatives, rather than just the Greens, and it would give the Senate some true democratic diversity to facilitate proper debate with very few party lines to be adhered to.
    Yes, it can work. It's called democracy!
    Seriously folks, have you seen a 'normal' legislative reading / debate session in parliament? You could swing 100 cats in the chamber! There's almost nobody listening to the debates. The Speaker rings the Division Bell, and all pollies come running in and vote along party lines! Then they leave again while the next bill is 'debated'. They take us for complete and utter fools!
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:00pm
    Whilst essentially true you need to think back to post the last election. Has ANY PARTY EVER broken as many promises as the Abbott misfits? Not in my lifetime.

    The senate voting changes now ensure that YOU get to choose your preferences. Not the parties. Go for it!
    I will be voting similar to you but am of the opinion that Labor needs to be either 2 or 3 on the primary vote. The reason is that we need to cut out Liberal Party candidates at all costs and ensure that Labor gets up ahead of the current misfits. And remember that preferences in the lower house are still being traded by the parties. It's only in the upper house that voters choose.
    Let's hope that we get some proper government. That's what it's all about.
    probins01
    17th Jun 2016
    5:55pm
    I disagree Mick, Labor will let 30,000 illegal immigrants in per year.
    Most of them will be moslem, and hell-bent on destroying our way of life. I cannot accept that.
    TREBOR
    17th Jun 2016
    6:47pm
    Not looking for the better of two vile evils, Mick - but you know that - we are looking for a real change for the better.
    niemakawa
    17th Jun 2016
    7:18pm
    probins01. Your comment about Labor and its intention to let immigrants in, mostly moslem is spot on. But Turnbull is also in favour of such a move. This election has nothing to do with Australians but that of the leaders of the NWO which has plans to destroy the Western Culture and its way of life. The change is well underway in Western Europe, where countries such as Sweden, Belgium , France and Germany will most likely on current trends become Islamic States within the next 5-10 years if not before. Turnbull replaced its genuine leader Mr Abbott, at the behest of the UN to speed up the process in Australia. I have voted Liberal in every election, but when Turnbull took over the reins I saw the writing on the wall and my vote will go to Australia Liberty Alliance, One Nation, Australia First.
    HarrysOpinion
    17th Jun 2016
    8:14pm
    "Western Europe, where countries such as Sweden, Belgium , France and Germany will most likely on current trends become Islamic States within the next 5-10 years"
    niemakawa There is prophecy that this will become true but not this soon.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    8:46pm
    I worry about the Greens, not Labor. SHorten has stated that there will be no change in border policies and given that this is what cost Labor the last election I'd be thinking that this would be at the front of the Party's thoughts. One also has to remember that Labor under Rudd caved in to the Greens and I cannot see this happening again lest the Party is thrown out next time around.
    I think guys that there is a bit of sabre rattling going on.

    The move of Islam into western Europe is a real concern but it would take a breeding program on steroids to make this happen in a finite timeframe, and I am not sure the Germans in particular would wear this. We live in interesting times.
    ex PS
    18th Jun 2016
    5:15pm
    30,000 illegal immigrants hey. First I want their names and addresses so I can check the verasity of your figures and secondly, if the government lets them in surely they must be categorised as legal?
    You can't invent facts in order to win an arguement, if you could I could make it known that Manus Island is a processing plant that turns assylum seekers into party pies that are served at LNP functions. Ain't it aaawfullll?
    niemakawa
    19th Jun 2016
    11:59am
    ex PS. Maybe you should go and live in Western Europe to experience the real damage that invading so-called refugees/immigrants/illegals have done in countries such as Germany, Belgium, France, Britain, Sweden to name but a few. Merkel the German Chancellor, a close ally of Turnbull and Shorten inflicted a cause of action on her own people in attempt to destroy their way of life so as to bring about the Islamisation of not only Germany but the whole of Western Europe. It has been proven that the vast majority of those that posed as Syrian refugees are actually economic migrants seeking a life on benefits. Most are young fit men who instead of fleeing their homelands should be helping in the fight for their countries. Hundreds of terorists have entered Europe and continue to do so because of the likes of Merkel. In some German cities the so-called authorities have introduced at the request of the Islamic groups Muslim swimming days, where non-muslims are not permitted to go to the pool. Reason: Christians contaminate the water and muslims do not want to use the polls with them. Belgium is under constant threat of terrorism, Sweden now has the accolade of being the "rape" capital of the world. All this brought about by Muslims. The same is happening here in Australia where most new arrivals are Muslims, even those, in their rightful place,offshore detention centres. I consider Islam to be a totalitarian organisation with religious components and has a destructive influence on Western societies. It is quite evident that most Muslims will not integrate into their new host Countries and persist with making excessive demands for their ultimate aim which is to make Islam the driving force in the West.
    niemakawa
    19th Jun 2016
    12:03pm
    I will not support Lib/Lab/Greens as they put immigration way down the list of their priorities. Australians do not want mass immigration, which we will get unless action is taken now to prevent it.
    ex PS
    19th Jun 2016
    12:08pm
    niemakawa, maybe, maybe not, but it is still not an excuse to make things up to support an argument. If you can't support an argument by using facts it's probably because the argument is insupportable in the first place.
    niemakawa
    19th Jun 2016
    12:31pm
    ex PS everything Ii stated in my comment is factual, it is just that some people get very confused with the truth and prefer to ignore what is actually going on around them. Maybe you are one, but that is your choice, if you are.
    ex PS
    19th Jun 2016
    4:09pm
    So often we see the same truth interpreted in two completely different ways in order to prove or disprove an argument. There is a big difference between the truth and someones belief.
    buby
    17th Jun 2016
    3:06pm
    thanks kay for posting these, both have been interesting reading cheers
    Sundays
    17th Jun 2016
    3:39pm
    Thank you YLF. I think Labor will do a better job and there is more humanity. The Liberals are all for big business. I hate how they want to cut Medicare and what they've done t the public service (getting ready to outsource services I'm sure). I saw Minister Cash last night on ABC where she stated she and everyone she knows started with nothing and worked their way up. Nothing except a silver spoon in her mouth, with the benefits of a wealthy family, private school education and no idea how the other half live. Hard o find good independents. I like nick Xenophon, but what did Pauline Hanson do 20 years ago, nothing
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:05pm
    My wife and I started with nothing and we worked our butts off. The neighbours often had a chuckle as they were off on holidays and were in the yard and/or building.
    Despite doing the real hard yards I can never agree that handing over money to the rich is anything other than mates looking after mates. I will not be supporting that.
    Nick will do a proper job. Hanson was hounded out for not being politically correct....and the media gave her too much airtime. Had she gotten her 5 minutes of fame then she would have faded out. But then Hanson did strike a chord with voters.
    Sceptic
    17th Jun 2016
    4:29pm
    NX cannot even carry out his director's statutory duties, so there is responsibility for you.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:59pm
    NIck will bring some accountability to whatever government is formed. Frightens the crap out of you doesn't it Sceptic.
    Old Geezer
    17th Jun 2016
    3:59pm
    Euthanasia should be the top of the list. Everyone should have the right to choose their own dignified death not allow doctors to slowly kill you with what they call palliative care.

    I also noticed that education was not on the list but is part of labor's education and health mantra for this election.

    I am very concerned about the complexability of both Labor's and the Coalitions super policies. They are both going to lead to increased fees because accountants will have to do more work. After fees today many super funds barely pay any return so these extra fees has the potential to make super a bad investment due to negative returns. Personally I'm reluctant to invest into anything that does not give me a decent return so many people may not invest in super as it is simply better to put the money under the mattress.

    I am also concerned about Labor's negative gearing policy regarding new homes. Investors currently like new homes because they can not only write of their interest and expenses but they come with big depreciation and capital costs writeoffs. These extra write offs favour those with big incomes as they get more tax back. That to me is a policy for the big income earners and punishes the low income earners because they can no longer buy the cheaper used dwellings.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:09pm
    Euphanasia? Ouch!
    Superannuation - Australia has outrageous fees. Industry funds appear to be much better and returns seem to prove that with most Industry Funds outperforming retail funds. That's why the current government wants to remove union representation on these funds and replace with their mates.
    Negative gearing - not sure you are on the money here. The deductions you mention are already there. The thing about applying negative gearing to NEW HOUSES is that it increases the supply (needed!) and pushed down rents for older existing homes somewhat, or at least stops the ridiculous neverending increases.
    Old Geezer
    17th Jun 2016
    4:27pm
    The big question is will investors continue to buy new homes knowing that they can only on sell them to home owners or cash investors? The return on housing is not good unless you can get capital gains. So if housing stagnates then will investors still invest in houses or find somewhere else to put their money. That is what happened in the 1990s. If investors don't continue to buy new houses which they may not then rents will only increase further.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:53pm
    You have to live somewhere. I built my dream by the sea and would do it again (if I were younger) irrespective of whether or not there were negative gearing. Also remember that people sell and buy houses all the time. It's an Aussie thing! Apparently around an average 10 year turnaround.
    Sceptic
    17th Jun 2016
    4:25pm
    interesting Kaye, that you do not mention the extraordinary power of the unions in relation to their membership. Is it something to do with your selection process, or is it that the respondents on this site consider that a small minority group have such political power. That is without even getting into the subject of the criminality of certain unions and certain members.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    4:58pm
    Back to the trolling eh?
    Big business and the shady election funding arrangements with coalition governments would far outweigh any union thuggery you could ever uncover but this is off limits to proper scrutiny.
    Let's both push for a federal ICAC to investigate all corruption. Not just a one sided 'let's look at unions' approach which the current government has been doing....and you repeating.
    I can see your response already Sceptic!
    Old Geezer
    17th Jun 2016
    5:11pm
    I too are concerned about the power of the unions over the Labor party especially when the likes of Paul Howes was behind the toppling of Kevin Rude for Julia Gillard to become PM.

    I also heard the other day for one of the political compentators that the long election campaifn favours the Labor party as they are union backed and the Coalition will run out of campaign money before them.

    Anyone know how the betting odds are going?
    Sceptic
    17th Jun 2016
    6:40pm
    The only troll on this site seems to be MICK. Who else can afford to apparently sit down all day in front of a computer and reply to just about every post, unless they are getting paid by someone to do it.
    Sceptic
    17th Jun 2016
    6:45pm
    I forgot to say MICK. Please write my reply, as you claim to know what it would be. I only spend about 10 minutes a day on this site, as an absolute maximum, so probably will not be looking at today's edition again.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    8:59pm
    The only trolls are those who talk about one topic and ignore the corruption within their own house.
    You know full well that the Liberal Party is a nest of shady deals (election funding in exchange for legislation) with big business. Many of these deals, had they occurred in the business community, would result in substantial prison sentences.
    Tell me about unions. I'll listen if you back a federal ICAC to look into ALL CORRUPTION.
    Yes I thought as much. As I keep saying: trolls!
    Old Geezer
    17th Jun 2016
    9:52pm
    Mick I think you being grossly unfair in calling anyone who takes a different view to you as a troll. Remember if the Coalition wins then over half the country have a different view to you.

    If you check out history you will se that all sides of politics have been guilty of corruption and been before ICAC. Shady deals happen in all walks of life too. Try buying a used car or booking a holiday. The only one spot left on a cruise or bus scenario where if you don't take it now you miss out. Real estate where they say they have others offers just to get you to commit. The list goes on.
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    1:16pm
    Have a different opinion by all means but do not run propaganda which is demonstrably false.
    Sceptic
    18th Jun 2016
    3:24pm
    I think that you will find MICK, that this is the first time that I have mentioned the union corruption on this site. So forget your one subject nonsense.

    Old Geezer is absolutely correct in that every time someone espouses a view that differs from yours you call them a Liberal troll. Facts cannot be propaganda, by definition.
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    3:49pm
    Seems to be a recurring theme from the normal posters.
    Have any view you like but how about you end the one sided mud slinging and start a DISCUSSION about THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT and THE ISSUES.
    You and the other so called 'posters' spend your whole time on accusations and ignoring the many many sins of your side of politics whilst never giving any credit when it is due. Eh Gad.....you remind me of Nine News with it's grooming of Turnbull and attempts to blacken Shorten.
    You want a 'discussion'? Let's have the topics! And let's leave the mud in the gutter!
    ex PS
    19th Jun 2016
    11:52am
    Sceptic, you are 100% wrong about the power of Unions over their membership. The members are the Union, in most cases the members decide the direction of the Union not the other way round. The Union can not dictate action to the members all action has to taken to a meeting and be voted on by the members.
    I have been in the workforce for over 40 years and worked in Union and non-Union shops, mostly I have been a member of one Union or the other, I have never been directed to take action unless that action was voted on and passed.
    Maybe this is not the case with all work-sites, maybe you can enlighten us all to the times that you have been directed to blindly follow Union action, in which case I will stand corrected.
    I will leave you with one statement that I have found to be true, "The strength or value of a Union is totally dependent upon the quality of its'members".
    Old Geezer
    19th Jun 2016
    2:32pm
    All the union votes I have been to I am yet to see anyone vote against the advice of the union. Why? People are simply not game to.

    I'd say it's more like "The strength or value of a Union is totally dependent upon the quality of it's leaders".
    ex PS
    19th Jun 2016
    4:04pm
    I look at it another way Old Geezer, you normally find that if a Union meeting has been called the workers have been pushed into it by unfair management practices, in this case of course Union action will be supported. But I am sorry that you feel or have in the past felt afraid to stand by your beliefs. The Union should be there to defend those who can't stand up for themselves, not to intimidate them.
    scud
    17th Jun 2016
    5:09pm
    There's not much separating the Coalition and Labor if you worry about Australian Government debt, budget surpluses and which party is the better economic manager/performer.

    Here are some things to take into consideration in making a fair and balanced assessment.

    According to the Scott Morrison delivered Budget, the net Federal Government debt at 30 June 2016 was estimated to be $286 billion. The Australian Government Monthly Financial Statements - September 2013 show a net debt of $175 billion when Labor handed over the books to the Coalition. Hence, there has been a $111 billion or 39% increase in net government debt under the current Coalition government.

    The current budget predicts that under the Coalition the net debt will grow to $355 billion at 30 June 2020. Hence, a $180 billion or 102% increase above or a doubling of the debt left by Labor in 2013.

    The Budget includes historical data since 1970-71. This reveals two periods only where the Federal Government did not have a debt. These were 1971-72 to 1975-76 (McMahon 1971-72, Whitlam 1972-75, Fraser 1975-83 Governments) and 2005-06 to 2008-09 (Howard Government 1996-2007).

    Annual budget deficits/surpluses contribute to the national debt, increasing or decreasing it. Both the Coalition Government and Labor opposition have made statements about returning the budget to surplus in 10 years. The sad history since the start of Federation shows surpluses to be few and far between. The surplus record since 1970-71 comprises 1970-71 to 1974-75 (Gorton/McMahon 1968-72, Whitlam 1972-75 Governments), 1987-88 to 1989-90 (Hawke Government), 1997-98 to 2000-01 and 2002-03 to 2007-08 (Howard Government).

    Authors from the Budget Policy Division of the Australian Treasury state in their paper, A history of public debt in Australia, that the Howard Government benefited in the 1990's and 2000's from the sale/privatisation of Telstra, the Commonwealth Bank , Airports and Qantas to the tune of $61 billion. This was on top of the windfall from the commodities boom. David Hetherington and Dominic Prior in their report, After the Party: How Australia spent its mining boom windfall, claim that the windfall to the public coffers was at least $180 billion over the six years from 2002 to 2008.

    $105 billion of the $180 billion was used responsibly to pay off debt and invest in the long-term savings fund. The remaining $75 billion became a missed opportunity to invest in long-term productive assets. Instead it was given away in tax cuts and concessions from fuel excise to voluntary superannuation and on spending programs and various cash handouts from the baby bonus to the First Home Owners’ Grants.

    Importantly for the future, this created a huge structural problem for our budget. The structural integrity of the budget continues to be undermined by the spending commitments, tax cuts, and generous concessions (such as that on superannuation).

    The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) and the Parliament of Australia use Real GDP as a measure of economic performance. Real GDP is the monetary value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country's borders in a specific time period adjusted for price changes due to inflation or deflation. Using this measure, James Morley, Professor of Economics at the University of NSW, found that:

    '… the difference in average real GDP growth across Liberal and Labor governments is not statistically significant, although the Liberals’ average has been somewhat higher at 3.58% compared to 3.18% for Labor since 1959 when quarterly data became available.

    But a lack of significance means this could reflect just a few outliers rather than a systematic pattern. Notably, the comparison is even closer since 2008, with 2.43% for Labor in the face of the Global Financial Crisis versus 2.60% for the Liberals at the end of the mining boom.
    No matter how one cuts the data, conservative politicians simply don’t perform so much better than their opponents as they would have us believe.'

    In addition, the Australia Institute has just released a report, Jobs and Growth… And a Few Hard Numbers: A Scorecard on Economic Policy and Economic Performance, which attempts to benchmark the economic performance of Australia’s post-war prime ministers. Based on the indicators used, the current Coalition Government ranks poorly, well within the bottom half of the eleven postwar Prime Ministerships considered.

    A portion of the concluding remarks of the report warrant quoting:

    'During election campaigns, competing politicians tend to exaggerate the potential impact their policies (and their opponents’) are likely to have on the national economy. In reality, Australia’s economy is dependent more on the decisions of private actors (including businesses, consumers, and foreign customers) than on government. It would be folly to ascribe full credit for good economic times to the government that happened to be in power during those years – and by the same token, to blame a government for negative economic events which were clearly beyond its control.'

    and

    'In the context of the current election, the present government’s claims to superior “economic management,” rooted in the alignment of its policies with the preferences of the business community and high-income households, must be considered with particular skepticism. By most of the twelve indicators presented here, national economic performance has clearly deteriorated during its tenure. Again, this deterioration cannot be attributed solely to the actions of the government itself. But it is still far-fetched for the present government to claim “credit” for an economic record that, by concrete statistical measures, is quite poor.'
    Rodent
    17th Jun 2016
    7:26pm
    Hello scud- your points are well made and interesting. I have read the Australia Institute Report, its thought provoking. My memory may be failing me but has not Scott Morrison, "who I call the "Smiling Assassin" ) said before in the Media that the Australia Institute produced good reliable work, if that's right I wonder what he thinks now?
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    9:02pm
    Yeah. Spot on. Morrison and a few of his mates posting on this website keep coming up with accusation against Labor when history tells a different story altogether. The Australia Report is conveniently ignored by the coalition and its trolls because they cannot live with the truth: that the coalition is not a good manager of money. It simply sacks Australians and tries to lower taxes for the rich. Same old story.
    Nomad
    17th Jun 2016
    6:05pm
    I'll be voting for independents, the less rubber stamping of legislation the better.
    MICK
    17th Jun 2016
    9:02pm
    Good one!
    Rodent
    17th Jun 2016
    7:20pm
    For the attention of Captain and Misty, this info is RE POSTED HERE FYI


    Dear Captain

    I have just come back from the National Seniors Chisholm Forum . The Liberal Candidate was a now show, despite committing to attend. Only the Labor and Greens candidates present. You asked about notes/summary, happy to provide BUT what will be better is to wait for the Summary of ALL FORUMS which National Seniors will do and publish.

    This is what I gave to the Candidates . Sorry cant publish the Spreadsheet here

    National Seniors Forum- Chisholm Electorate 16 June 2016

    Dear Candidates
    As all would know the Liberal Coalition Government, supported by the Greens, but opposed by Labor last year passed a Bill in both Houses of Parliament to change the existing Pension Asset Test Thresholds and the Taper Rate to take effect on 1 Jan 2017.
    Recently the Government also decided to freeze the Asset Thresholds as from 1 July 2017 for a 3 year period going forward. At the same time they propose to not pay the Clean Energy Supplement to new Pensioners, which will to continue to be paid to existing Pensioners.
    The timing and impacts of the changes has not been well thought through and will impact more harshly on some Pensioners than others.
    Doubling the Taper Rate from $1.50 to $3.00 effectively makes the Pension even more valuable to retain as it effectively has an earning interest rate of 7.8% pa, much greater than the average available from Term Deposits, and other investments at this time.
    In the 2015 Budget the Government claimed a saving of $2.44 Bill over the 4 year Budget Period. It is now believed that the savings are said to be $3.55Bill over the new 4 Year Budget Period.
    These claimed savings are highly dubious, as some Pensioners will run down their assets so that they may gain an increase in their Pension. For every $10,000 reduction in Assets a $780 pa increase in pension can be obtained.
    In the Electorate of Chisholm there are 17,173 Age Pensioners, with 3731 Pensioners on the Disability Support Pension, and 3188 Persons on the Carer Payment. There are also additional numbers of people on other payments who may be affected by these Legislated changes.
    As from 1 Jan 2017 in the Electorate of Chisolm - 2160 Pensioners will have their Pension Reduced, and 970 Pensioners will have their Pension Cancelled completely.
    The Prime Minister - Mr Turnbull often talks about Fairness and Equity, I do not believe these proposed Pension changes meet this test in any way.
    I refer the candidates to the Spreadsheet I have provided to each of you and ask these questions please.
    Q - Would the candidates please comment specifically why it could ever be deemed Fair and Equitable that a Single Home Owner with $500k in Assets will lose 71.33% of their Pension after 1-Jan 2017, and at the same Asset figure a Single Non Home Owner will gain a 10.41% increase in their Pension?
    For the same $500k asset Figure a Couple Home Owner will lose 6.2% of their Pension and a Couple Non Homeowner will have no change to their pension at all. With these proposed changes in fact a Couple Non Homeowner does not lose any pension at all until $725k in assets is reached.
    Q - What will you or your Party do to address the unfairness and inequality of these proposed Pension changes please?
    The spreadsheet allows you to make other comparisons for other Asset values, both above or below this $500k example. You should also read the notes on the spreadsheet as they relate to the data provided.










    Misty
    16th Jun 2016
    5:12pm

    report
    When will the Summary be released and published Rodent, before the election I hope.

    MISTY Answer all National Seniors will now do is Post a final tally of the Parties Promises and Positions before 2 July - it will be in the form of their E newsletter.

    Some of you may be aware but a good source of Information re Super and all other related matters in in the Latest Super Guide June 2016 Election Special Newsletter SuperGuide.com.au, and if really INTERESTED read some of the Reader Comments
    Alex
    17th Jun 2016
    11:22pm
    Thank you Rodent. This is excellent. Alas, not enough seniors are involved in lobbying and we are just not cutting through.
    Captain
    19th Jun 2016
    4:39pm
    Thanks Rodent.

    I believe that both major parties will not move on the taper rate.

    I also think that Australia needs a complete overhaul of its economic model. I would vote for a party that promises (and then begins to deliver) on revising business and personal income/taxation, gst and excise, etc.

    I am not an economist but I imagine if the above were looked at in depth and as one package, not piecemeal, (even if it took 3 years and a billion dollars) there would be a decrease in business and personal tax if all parties paid tax on income earned. There would also be an increase in pension rates.

    But I doubt if any party has the guts to stand up and tell the truth and bite the hand that feeds them. Human nature being what it is will opt for obscuring rather than transparency.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    8:00am
    I agree, Captain. The current system is a total disaster and hideously expensive relative to the very poor benefits it delivers and the level of fairness (or rather, gross and extreme UNFAIRNESS)

    The difference in treatment of homeowners vs non-homeowners interests me. I've read regular aggressive demands by Bonny to include the family home in the means test. It IS included, actually, but in a grossly UNFAIR manner that rates a $200,000 home equal to a $5 million home!

    I worked out that as of Jan 2017 it will cost a retiree with someone with $800,000 in assets approx. $480 a week to OWN their own home. That cost is relatively consistent across all levels of wealth up to about $800,000. So after struggling and going without for 3 decades to pay off a mortgage, many home owners are actually paying more to live in their home than they would have to pay in rent! How insane and UNFAIR is that? And how many homeowners have actually done the calculation?

    Of course that's only a minor part of the inequity. The system heavily favours the privileged who can achieve strong returns on their investments and the healthy and capable who can continue to work a little, do their own home maintenance and personal care tasks without help, etc. Those who suffer most are the underprivileged who have special care and medication needs due to ill-health or disability, the uneducated who lack the knowledge and confidence to invest well, and those who have become extremely risk averse due to crisis, trauma or severe deprivation in earlier years.

    But the worst feature of the current system is that it totally destroys and harshly punishes endeavour, responsible planning and frugality - UNLESS that approach to life results in high net worth (around $1.5 million for a couple). The asset test thresholds are way, way, way too low - especially as they take no account of age or special future needs. And when you look at what relatively high income earners can get in pension benefits, it becomes apparent that the system is heavily skewed against those of the disadvantaged who have taken some initiative and planned and saved for old age as best they were able.

    It interested me to compare the levels of growth of affluence in different age groups across different nations. It's clear from the graph at http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/0/6/546706_v1.jpg that we are being lied to big time about the relative affluence of old and young, and that Australia is far better positioned than most other nations to support its older population properly, but sadly we are failing badly on that obligation.
    Alex
    17th Jun 2016
    11:20pm
    Have any of the parties a plan as to allocate an adequate portion of GDP to fund pensions and care for the elderly? The portion of Australian, GDP 2.9%, used for that purpose is miserly. It is significantly less than that of all other developed countries. Parties have been asked to provide their plan for funding pensions and aged care and they have not. They have been deliberately evasive and when pushed have declined to offer anything to seniors. Mr Shorten said categorically he would not be increasing the pension (Q&A 13/06). Seniors have borne all the cuts of the last three budgets. These cuts were constructed by the Liberal Party and supported by the Labor Party, the Greens and Nick Xenophon. Perhaps Nick Xenophon made no objection whatsoever to the cuts in the 2015 budget. He was asked to and he did not. Only the other Independents opposed them. Neither has he objected to the 2016 Budget we have just had that will rip $1.2 billion from aged care. You may have read the excellent article by John Watkins in the SMH today spelling out the needs of older Australians and asking where is the plan to fund aged care properly. He said this question should be at the top of the list of party objectives. So far I have not heard anyone other than Jacqui Lambie advocate for allocating proper revenue to fund the nation’s obligations to seniors.
    From Letter by John Watkins smh 16/06/2016
    “ Aged care is a compassion business and that can only be delivered by the touch, tone, respect and love provided by professional staff. That is why the decisions taken by the federal government in recent months to make the $1.2 billion budget savings from residential aged care are so difficult to fathom.
    For our mums and dads, for ourselves and for our nation, we need aged care to be an election issue.
    These are the men and women who made us and built our nation. The lives they lived, the work they did and the taxes they paid were a down payment on their current care needs. They are now tired and old, and frail and vulnerable.
    They actually need the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader to speak up for them.
    Who else is more deserving?
    Rae
    18th Jun 2016
    3:17pm
    I suspect not Alex. If however the rot continues then employing a carer in your home for bed, board and a small wage will be an option and much cheaper than the $600 000 plus costs and aged care business will charge you.

    Heck cruising the world on the Queen Mary 11 will be cheaper.

    These aged care places do not even cook their own wholesome foods anymore or employ RNs so why pay so much for so little.
    Alex
    19th Jun 2016
    12:04am
    Correction of Post errors: -
    Among all their plans, have any of the parties a PLAN for allocating an adequate portion of GDP to fund pensions and care for the elderly? The portion of Australian GDP, 2.9%, used for that purpose is miserly. It is significantly less than that of all other developed countries. The parties have been asked to provide their plan for funding pensions and aged care and they have not. They have been deliberately evasive and when pushed have declined to offer anything to seniors. Mr Shorten said categorically he would not be increasing the pension (Q&A 13/06). Seniors have borne all the cuts of the last three budgets. These cuts were constructed by the Liberal Party and supported by the Labor Party, the Greens and Nick Xenophon. Only the other Independents opposed them.
    The 2016 Budget will rip $1.2 billion from aged care. I am not aware that other parties have opposed this.
    You may have read the excellent article by John Watkins in the SMH spelling out the needs of older Australians and asking where the plan is for the proper funding of aged care. He said this question should be at the top of the list of party objectives.
    So far I have not heard anyone other than Jacqui Lambie advocate for the allocation of proper funding to cover the nation’s obligations to seniors.
    From Letter by John Watkins smh 16/06/2016: -
    “ Aged care is a compassion business and that can only be delivered by the touch, tone, respect and love provided by professional staff. That is why the decisions taken by the federal government in recent months to make the $1.2 billion budget savings from residential aged care are so difficult to fathom.
    For our mums and dads, for ourselves and for our nation, we need aged care to be an election issue.
    These are the men and women who made us and built our nation. The lives they lived, the work they did and the taxes they paid were a down payment on their current care needs. They are now tired and old, and frail and vulnerable.
    They actually need the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader to speak up for them.
    Who else is more deserving?” John Watkins smh 16/06/2016
    niemakawa
    19th Jun 2016
    9:19am
    On Superannuation front, the 9.5% SGC should all be paid by everyone to cover pensions in retirement. This happens in most Western countries and then everyone is ENTITLED to a Government Pension on retirement. Those that want to put extra aside can invest through a private fund which can be used to top up their Government pension , without losing ANY of their Government Pension. Massive savings on gthe current bureaucratic nightmare that costs billions of taxpayers' dollars each year just to cover the administration.
    ex PS
    19th Jun 2016
    12:01pm
    RAE, I have a close relative working in aged care and I think that serious thought should go into forming collectives and either buying or building shared accommodation with the aim of housing multiple retirees who may or may not require differing levels of care. This would allow the necessary staff to be employed with the costs shared equally amongst the participants. This would be far more cost effective than single costs to an aged care facility.
    I would also like to say that I have no reservations about the level of care given by staff working in Aged Care Facilities, but I have concerns about the investors and management of such premises, the core aim is to make money and the employees have to do their jobs with considerable constraints on funds available to ensure the well being of the clients.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    8:05am
    niemakawa, my generation DID PAY 7.5% into a retirement funding scheme run by the ATO. The money was STOLEN by the Fraser Government. The entire taxpaying population is STILL paying that levy, ON TOP OF their super contributions. But the government is lying to the population about the cost of pensions and about the funding that should be available to cover the costs. If the money hadn't been stolen, it's estimated there would be ample to pay EVERY retiree $500 a week - NON MEANS TESTED, as the aged pension was intended to be and SHOULD be.

    The current nightmare is 1000% due to government corruption and incompetence.
    FEDUP
    18th Jun 2016
    7:16am
    Labor Party-
    Shorten, he certainly does not confide in me any profound thoughts about the future of the Labor Party, and I am prepared to say of as today, I don't think he has any.
    Liberal National Party Coalition-
    Turnbull more depth, but lacks the initiative to go the hard yards to fix the country. Needs to do more to balance the budget, before it becomes to big to rein in. Passing on debt to our children is not good management.
    Greens-
    Yes, we do need to do more for our planet, that is the only imperative that they have in common with the Australian people. Not passing laws that was for the benefit of Australians, since their rise in popularity no matter who was in Government. Makes them small minded in other matters.
    Palmer Party-
    Shot himself in the foot, then lost the confidence of all Australians over the fiasco in Queensland.
    Independents-
    Mostly work for their constituents, as they should, they are the ones that elected them to parliament. But when they change parties, after being elected as one party, to become an independent, that is where I draw the line. My vote did not count, in my mind.
    As to policies it should be Economy, Economy, Economy, then follows Jobs, curtailing crazy
    spending, and making the States responsible, if they cancel projects that the Federal Government has placed money in, such as occurred in Vitoria with the Eastern Tunnel. That money should be returned to the Federal area, pay off the interest on some of the borrowings from overseas. And no more 10 year economic plans, too many variables in that length of time.
    So much for my whinge.
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    10:43am
    So vote for Nick and other Independents, not keep backing the same horses. You omitted to say that the current government was elected on promises but lied its way in. The punishment for that should be voting it out but from what I hear I wonder if the pundits are stupid or what. We'll soon enough see.
    Alex
    18th Jun 2016
    11:41am
    Good analysis. They also need to have satisfactory social policies.
    ex PS
    19th Jun 2016
    11:41am
    FEDUP, how quaint, you actually think that the PM runs the country, it is obvious by the change of attitude about climate change, same sex marriage and many other core principles that Malcolm has sold out his values in order to become Prime Minister, he and the other leaders are nothing more than puppets told what to say and do by backroom hacks.
    Act like a grown up look at the policies not the individual.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    7:43am
    I read the other day that organizations like the Grattan Institute write a ''red book'' (for Labor) and a ''blue book'' (for LNP) that specifies policies that must be implemented and initiatives that must be pursued by the government. Both books are written by the same people and are essentially almost identical. So it doesn't matter much which major party is elected.

    I also believe the major parties collaborate to achieve like goals in ways that deceive the populace. One will pretend to oppose but ensure the vote count actually gets the legislation through.

    Certainly the PM's power is limited. And we can't vote for the PM anyway (unless you live in his electorate!). I'll vote Labor because the local candidate does a great job and the other candidates show no promise. But ultimately my vote has virtually no impact on which party will govern.
    PlanB
    18th Jun 2016
    7:24am
    I have not read the other posts -- too many -- but I will NOT be voting for the big 3 -- I am sick to death of the lot of them -- I want to know WHY the hell we are selling off our country to the Chinese -- we can not own any of their land! They are not to be trusted and will take over this country without firing a shot!

    We have allowed totally different cultures into this country AND that never works --
    I also consider Australia Day to be INVASION day

    Nothing is or has been done about Live Animal export, there needs to be and this cruelty HAS TO STOP!!!

    The Libs broke every promise as soon as Abbott got in --YES EVERYONE --
    (except stop the boats) of which we are reminded of every time we see their lying smirking faces.
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    1:15pm
    The Libs did break many promises. I fail to understand how anybody other than the mentally challenged could even consider giving the current government any vote.
    I'll be putting Libs last on the lower house and leaving them off altogether from the senate ballot. This is what decent Australians should doing. But who am I to say...........
    Sceptic
    18th Jun 2016
    3:25pm
    Exactly MICK, Who are you to say.
    ex PS
    19th Jun 2016
    11:33am
    Sceptic, "Who are you to say", exactly the same as anyone else who has a right to an opinion. Right or wrong we should encourage everyone and any one to express their opinion, we can then argue for or against that opinion, it's called democracy.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    8:08am
    I agree, Mick. What irks me most about the LNP is not the lies, because all politicians lie, but the lies about the lies. To bald-faced claim that they didn't lie about pension changed because ''they aren't happening in this term'' is about as low and disgusting as a dishonest person can go. Totally inexcusable. A change MADE IN THIS TERM is MADE IN THIS TERM. When it comes into effect is totally irrelevant, other than perhaps to further demonstrate both incompetence and extreme deception.
    kinkakuji
    18th Jun 2016
    9:30am
    A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN
    To the citizens of the Australia from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
    In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent goverment and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)
    Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Tasmania, which she does not fancy).
    Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for Australia without the need for further elections.
    The lower house and the Senate will be disbanded.

    18th Jun 2016
    11:53am
    GOOD QUESTION!!
    Sue mother nature for global warming not man!

    We know that human CO2 contribution is about 3%.

    How much should we attribute mother nature’s contribution of 97% to any "change" of climate?

    ALSO:

    Guess we need to tell commercial greenhouse owners they’ve been wrong all along!
    They'll be happy to hear they won’t have to buy all that extra CO2 "pollution" to feed their plants anymore
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    1:11pm
    More crap from a coal representative. Nobody listening!
    niemakawa
    18th Jun 2016
    1:20pm
    Just another extortion racket by Governments worldwide. Tax us and keep taxing us. Then what ever they collect they waste.

    18th Jun 2016
    11:57am
    We should panic over an increase in atmospheric trace gas, plant food CO2 from 0.03% to 0.04%??
    AND WITH 75% OF THAT COMING FROM NATURE!
    YOU'RE INSANE!!
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    More crap from a coal representative. Nobody listening!

    18th Jun 2016
    12:32pm
    THEY JUST CAN'T COPE WITHOUT COAL!
    Coal Use Rockets in “Low Carbon” EU, UK
    Up by 1/3 in 1yr!
    https://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/coal-use-rockets-in-low-carbon-eu-up-by-13-in-uk-in-just-one-year/
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    More crap from a coal representative. Nobody listening!

    18th Jun 2016
    12:38pm
    The Asians are having a really good laugh at suicidal policies being driven by the GREAT GLOBAL WARMING HOAX AND GULLIBLE WESTERN POLITICIANS AND ACTIVIST "SCIENTISTS!

    The "Main concern is not "Dwindling Demand" for coal,
    but meeting RUNAWAY DEMAND mostly from China & India" http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/society-and-culture/the-coal-bosses-plan-mine-coal-sell-coal-repeat-until-rich-20101113-17rv5.html

    China coal consumption forecast to rise 37% by 2020, according to the China National Coal Asscn
    http://www.proactiveinvestors.com.au/companies/news/50531/chinas-coal-demand-forecast-to-hit-48-billion-tonnes-50531.html
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    More crap from a coal representative. Nobody listening!
    Sceptic
    18th Jun 2016
    3:27pm
    What MICK is he a coal troll? You are getting more ridiculous by the day.
    Sceptic
    18th Jun 2016
    3:29pm
    This is the first and last time that I tick the, "e-mail me when a reply" box. My inbox is filled with more posts from MICK.
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    9:16pm
    Pretty obvious. This poster posted maybe 12 consecutive coal advertisements on one occasion. All promoting coal. What else has changed.
    jamesmn
    18th Jun 2016
    2:40pm
    vote turnball and he is telling the people that he will release details of some of his policies after the election shifty as usual and on the small business plan he does not want you to know it will cost you $40.000 just to get through the red tape shifty as anything only wants to look after his mates then he invites the Muslim to his diner trying to pick up some votes only to embarrass turnball as another one has surfaced in the last 24 hours with the same views on same sex marriage and gays if turnbball had any balls you would be voting for this at this election not the way he wants it he will never bring in same sex marriage as abbot would never either its these 2 clowns religion captains vote not the people of australia
    Sceptic
    18th Jun 2016
    3:16pm
    You sir an embarrassment with your misspelt nonsense.
    ex PS
    18th Jun 2016
    5:21pm
    Yeah jamesmn, it does not matter how good or bad your point of view is, it's your grandma that counts. God save us from the grammar fascists.
    Gee I hope I didn't make a spelling mistake.
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    9:18pm
    Sceptic: your posts are pretty well constant. Pro government. Why does that not surprise me.
    ex PS
    18th Jun 2016
    5:24pm
    The Coles and Woolworth parties seldom have much to interest me, they are so close in basic values I switch off when they utter their self serving rhetoric.
    scud
    18th Jun 2016
    5:38pm
    Remember how Tony Abbott vehemently attacked Labor over its broken promise on carbon tax. Well what about the Coalition's broken promises. Stephen Koukoulas, recently looked at 'How the Coalition has failed on three key economic promises'. See http://percapita.org.au/media/how-the-coalition-has-failed-on-three-key-economic-promises/. I like his final comment 'Perceptions count and facts are not so important, or so it seems.'
    MICK
    18th Jun 2016
    9:20pm
    Yes. And his 'partner' Alan Jones ran the "she lied" campaign. Of course when Abbott lied about almost everything Jones did not run a similar campaign. I wonder why.

    20th Jun 2016
    10:34am
    ONE PARTY GETTING MY VOTE IS THE CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY AFTER READING THIS ....
    Christian Democrat Mark Imisides says he is actually your man:




    The increasing failure of traditional Conservative parties to uphold traditional Conservative values over the last decade or so has spawned a number of Conservative or right wing political parties in recent years. With the advent of a double dissolution for this election, disaffected conservatives are now casting about for a voting option at the upcoming election, with parties such as the Australian Liberty Alliance, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, the Christian Democrats, Australian Christians, Rise Up Australia, Family First, and the Shooters and Fishers (and now Farmers) Party all vying for this vote.
    If one or more of the senators from these parties can get elected, it will throw a serious spanner in the works of an otherwise Greens/Xenophon controlled house.
    In Western Australia at least the best chance is probably the Christian Democrats, and as their lead Senate candidates I would like to present my credentials, and those of my party to your readers.
    Firstly, the Christian Democrats are easily the oldest of the minor parties, and even predate the Greens. The party therefore has a mature infrastructure with a well-established suite of policies that are consistent with both the Christian ethos on which it is based, and Western liberal democratic values – hence the name Christian Democrats. This name was chosen because it is a well-established political ideology that even has an entry in Encyclopaedia Britannica. At various times Christian Democrats have governed or held the balance of power in several European democracies throughout the 20th century.
    Consequently, the party holds no surprises for the future, as opposed to new micro-parties without a well-established infrastructure or policy base, that are prone to being overtaken by extremist groups.
    Secondly, the Christian Democrats recognise that they are a political party and not a church. That is, although we are unashamedly Christian in our ethos, we are never going to be quoting from the Bible as a source of policy, or seeking to proselytise for the Christian faith. As a result, although we expect to attract votes from the church, we also expect to attract them from conservative atheists and agnostics, a prime example of which is the exquisitely eloquent Douglas Murray (who describes himself as a christian atheist).
    Thirdly, in terms of selection of candidates for both upper and lower houses, we seek people who have professional careers in their own right, apart from any involvement that they may have had with churches. In other words, candidates are selected because of their nuanced understanding of the many issues that Australians face today, with experience drawn from a wide range of professions. In this regard I think we do even better than the major political parties, who seem to be mostly composed of either lawyers or unionists.
    The senate candidates in each state have been given complete autonomy to run their campaigns, according to the issues in their particular constituencies.
    With a Ph.D. in chemistry, and many years experience in both the academic and private sectors, the major thrust of my campaign will be countering the green fog that has descended upon our nation and is stifling the productivity of both our primary producers and the resources sector. My impramatur for doing this is twofold: firstly, I will not stand idly by and watch what ought to be the unadulterated pursuit of objective truth – science – be perverted for political ends. Secondly, as a scientist I am in a position to call to account those for whom the pursuit of science is simply a veneer. In short I have the scientific clout to expose them.
    The most well-known example of this, of course is the unproven theory of so-called anthropogenic global warming (AGW) – “climate change” to the punter in the street. Stated plainly there are three things that need to be proven before we should spend a cent upon reducing carbon dioxide emissions. Firstly, it needs to be proven that carbon dioxide has a significant effect upon global warming. Secondly, it needs to be proven that this warming is a bad thing, and thirdly, it must be proven that we can actually do anything about it.
    I have studied the heart of the polemic for years, and if given the opportunity, I would argue this case strongly in both Federal Parliament and anywhere else the opportunity arose. Moreover, I would be unconstrained by any requirement to adopt a certain narrative for party political purposes, as might be the case if I were part of a major party. So in this case I’d be in a position to criticize the equally idiotic “direct action” and carbon tax policies (in whatever form the ALP want to give it to us).
    But there are many more cases of green tentacles worming their way into our life. Although it is easy to blame the Greens political party. I do not think they have that much power. I see the Greens as more a symptom than the cause of the green mindset that has taken hold. This mindset means that the prefixes eat go and Enviro and green friendly are now everywhere, being used in business names and slogans that have nothing to do with the environment. But simply because they believe that it will generate business. And it has reached ridiculous proportions. There is a workboot recycling business here in Perth that tells us that we are “looking after the planet"by recycling our boots with them.
    I think that this mindset is part of a post-modern interpretation of life that ostensibly rejects absolute moral codes, but simply substitutes its own. And what could be more morally pure than saving the planet? So what simply happens is that people attempt to outdo each other in their efforts to save the planet. If this is just greenies on Twitter making noise, then there is no harm. But if it is bureaucrats in government departments, then it’s a problem, as you can reach the ridiculous situation that some construction companies in WA are facing.
    Whenever a major construction project is carried out near the coast, the ground must be dewatered as it is excavated. That is, water from the nearby ocean seeps through the dirt and it must be pumped out so that digging can continue. Now, you would think that you could just pump the water back into the ocean, as that is where it came from. But believe it or not, you can’t, as the water that is being pumped out is subject to stringent requirements regarding the levels of certain components that are permitted to be discharged to the ocean. The fact that it came from the ocean originally is apparently immaterial.
    I have seen these discharge requirements and what is immediately obvious to me is that the person that came up with them understands nothing about the chemistry of the soil, as the components that they contain (mostly nitrogenous compounds) are exactly what you would expect to find in seawater that had seeped through soil. And the thing that seems to be lost on the people that came up with these discharge requirements is that the composition of this water, whatever it may be, actually is the environment. Or, to put it another way, according to these guidelines, the environment doesn’t meet the environmental standard.
    In other areas of policy, we would strongly support the overturning of section 18C of the racial discrimination act, and we oppose the steady Islamisation of Australia, although our understanding in this area is probably a little more nuanced than most.
    When it comes to the question of Muslim immigration in Australia, it generally resolves into a question of terrorism. That is, the popular mode of thinking is that provided we can be assured that a person is not, and never will be, a terrorist, then all is well, and they are welcome to live among us.
    In my view, however, there is a whole lot more to Islamic immigration than the question of terrorism. Notably, of most concern is attitudes that are hardwired into Moslems regarding the rights of women, gays, democracy, and tolerance of other religions. And make no mistake, these attitudes are indeed hardwired. I have met and known many Muslims throughout my professional career, and I have found that the most pleasant, articulate, intelligent, professional, and educated people often have attitudes in these areas that are utterly inflexible and belong in the dark ages.
    And the media needs to be confronted with this. There is an astonishing disconnect whenever these issues are raised publicly. You can be certain that if Christianity is ever raised publicly, it won’t be long before someone mentions paedophile priests, or the crazy pastor in Florida that was burning Korans, or even the Crusades. In other words, no matter how tenuous the link, no matter that the act or acts in question was roundly and immediately condemned by the church, and no matter how long ago it happened, somehow these things are the fault of Christianity.
    But whenever someone does something and claims Islam as their inspiration, or whenever they commit an atrocity of some sort whilst yelling “Allah Akbar”, or whenever gays are thrown off buildings by people citing the Mohammed and the Hadiths as their inspiration, somehow this is nothing to do with Islam. I don’t understand how that works.
    And we have of course seen this recently in the Orlando massacre. No matter how blatant, how obvious, and how unequivocal the inspiration for an atrocity is, the weak and compliant Left in our media look the other way.
    If I can get elected to parliament, as well as these issues I will expose the hypocrisy of the Greens when it comes to environmental issues. While there may have been a time when they were genuinely concerned about the environment, those days are long gone. None of them have any relevant qualifications or experience in the areas of environmental management, and I will easily be able to expose how little they know about the very subject that is supposed to be their core strength.
    To do that I need to get elected. If you are in WA please vote for the Christian Democratic Party. I’m easy to find as I am in the first column. In other words, I’m not a donkey, but I don’t mind if you vote like one.

    20th Jun 2016
    10:40am
    SOME CHOICE EXTRACTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS PLATFORM...
    GO CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS YOU HAVE MY VOTE!

    With a Ph.D. in chemistry, and many years experience in both the academic and private sectors, the major thrust of my campaign will be countering the green fog that has descended upon our nation and is stifling the productivity of both our primary producers and the resources sector. My impramatur for doing this is twofold: firstly, I will not stand idly by and watch what ought to be the unadulterated pursuit of objective truth – science – be perverted for political ends. Secondly, as a scientist I am in a position to call to account those for whom the pursuit of science is simply a veneer. In short I have the scientific clout to expose them.
    The most well-known example of this, of course is the unproven theory of so-called anthropogenic global warming (AGW) – “climate change” to the punter in the street. Stated plainly there are three things that need to be proven before we should spend a cent upon reducing carbon dioxide emissions. Firstly, it needs to be proven that carbon dioxide has a significant effect upon global warming. Secondly, it needs to be proven that this warming is a bad thing, and thirdly, it must be proven that we can actually do anything about it.

    In my view, however, there is a whole lot more to Islamic immigration than the question of terrorism. Notably, of most concern is attitudes that are hardwired into Moslems regarding the rights of women, gays, democracy, and tolerance of other religions. And make no mistake, these attitudes are indeed hardwired. I have met and known many Muslims throughout my professional career, and I have found that the most pleasant, articulate, intelligent, professional, and educated people often have attitudes in these areas that are utterly inflexible and belong in the dark ages.

    But whenever someone does something and claims Islam as their inspiration, or whenever they commit an atrocity of some sort whilst yelling “Allah Akbar”, or whenever gays are thrown off buildings by people citing the Mohammed and the Hadiths as their inspiration, somehow this is nothing to do with Islam. I don’t understand how that works.
    And we have of course seen this recently in the Orlando massacre. No matter how blatant, how obvious, and how unequivocal the inspiration for an atrocity is, the weak and compliant Left in our media look the other way.
    buby
    24th Jun 2016
    11:28am
    All religions should be sent back to the dark ages.
    they have seemed to have lost the PLOT all together!!!
    Briar
    20th Jun 2016
    3:38pm
    Why only focus on the three major parties? None of them will be getting my vote as they do not have the interests of Australians in mind - they are only out to keep their own pockets lined by the big end of town. How about taking an indepth look at some of the Independents, or the smaller parties who seem to be gaining huge support. Parties such as Pauline Hanson One Nation or Australian Liberty Alliance.


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