Age Pension ‘generous’, says social services minister

‘It is a generous amount of money that taxpayers make available to older Australians.’

anne ruston

Social Services Minister Anne Ruston announced a long-overdue cut to the deeming rates on Sunday, which suggested an acknowledgment of the plight of many age pensioners. However, she has followed that up with a comment that the Age Pension is already “generous” and suggests pensioners should be grateful for taxpayers’ largesse.

“It is a generous amount of money that the Australian taxpayers make available to our older Australians,” she told 3AW.

Asked to elaborate, Senator Ruston said: “In terms of the amount of money that taxpayers fund our social welfare system, we put a lot of money into it.”

Her statements fly in the face of earlier concern that “the cost of living has never been higher” which was why deeming rates was one of the first things she looked at after the federal election.

The Opposition and older Australians were quick to respond.

Labor leader Anthony Albanese has demanded the Morrison Government apologise for her comments.

“I think age pensioners out there who are struggling, frankly, to make ends meet wouldn’t regard it as generous,” he told 6PR radio.

“They’d regard it as something that they’ve worked for. They’ve paid taxes throughout their life, made a contribution to the country and they should be respected.”

He also said the deeming rate reduction was “too little, too late”.

Opposition Social Services spokeswoman Linda Burney said on Twitter of Senator’s Ruston’s comment: “This shows a real disconnect with the daily lives of pensioners trying to balance their budgets. Older Australians have worked hard, built our country and have a right to dignity and security.”

“Generous? Surely she is talking about the politicians’ pension!” one person posted on Twitter. “So out of touch with reality and she isn’t even old enough to understand what a pension is.”

Another described her comments as “an utter disgrace”.

Many suggested she commit to a trial of an Age Pension to understand the difficulties of making ends meet.

“Another overpaid out-of-touch politician telling people on the pension how things should be!! You wouldn’t survive!” wrote another.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg attempted to douse the flames by focusing on the deeming rate cuts.

“I understand pensioners have challenging times. A number of pensioners do it really, really tough,” he said.

The deeming rates will decrease from 1.75 per cent to one per cent for investments up to $52,000 (single pensioners) and $86,000 (couples), and from 3.25 per cent to three per cent for amounts over $52,000 (singles) and amounts over $86,000 (couples). The changes will take effect from September but will be backdated to 1 July.

Were you offended by Senator Ruston’s comments? Do you believe the minister needs to develop a greater depth of knowledge about the Age Pension?

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    Herbie49
    18th Jul 2019
    9:50am
    She hasn’t been working five minutes, so how much has she contributed. Yet another one who follows the party and believes it. They are all a bloody joke.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2019
    11:50am
    The greedy believed the lies from this government in the election campaign. Plenty of money for tax cuts for the wealthy though. No worries.
    People who voted this cartel back in should truly enjoy what they about to receive. This is bit the start. Next cab possibly putting the family home in the assets test. Have to fund tax cuts somehow you know!
    Mad as Hell
    18th Jul 2019
    1:12pm
    Anne Rushton another post turtle
    ozrog
    18th Jul 2019
    2:07pm
    Liveitup the government didn't say amything, mo policy statements all the did was rubish labor and their honesty. LNP are not good managers as we are now seeing.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:13pm
    LNP are great managers as seen by the increased surplus over the budget.
    thommo
    18th Jul 2019
    4:11pm
    Agree with you Mick....We'll just get rid of this mob at the next election....forever...
    MICK
    18th Jul 2019
    7:28pm
    Thanks for the laugh LiveItUp. Surplus? Iron ore went up significantly and the government trolls claim the budget is in surplus. IT ISN'T. Wait for more lies when the next says of figures come in. It'll be Labor's fault. The it'll be the Greens. Then it'll be the world economy. The excuses will never end. That's what liars do. This government is on the top of the lying list.
    I look forward to the next set of accounts. Maybe iron ore (=the private sector) will work. Unfortunately the government has now given tax cuts and somebody will have to pay.
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    11:53am
    Couldn't agree with you more Mick, this is just the start from a morally and policy bankrupt cartel. Don't blame me I didn't vote for their lies and scaremongering.
    Blinky
    21st Jul 2019
    1:48pm
    Yeah. Guess hiw much her pension will be worth when she retires. On top of that, she wont have to worry about meeting a retirement age, an income test, an asset test, her family home being assessed as an asset and she wont even have to worry about super changes?
    Why not? Because pensions are for peasants, not for royalty, i.e. politicians. They are the untouchable, privileged, high class who decide what's good x us the tax-paying peasants of this Australia Fair of ours!!!
    johnp
    21st Jul 2019
    2:29pm
    Agree Blinky. Pollies enjoy obscene exorbitant salaries and all the perks we know about ! Cos they can!! They are the biggest drain on the taxpayer !!
    Bulla
    23rd Jul 2019
    10:01am
    they are all blood suckers and descendants criminals who were dumped here and mercilessly massacred the innocent living beings peacefully living here.
    Bulla
    23rd Jul 2019
    10:01am
    they are all blood suckers and descendants criminals who were dumped here and mercilessly massacred the innocent living beings peacefully living here.
    retired lady
    18th Jul 2019
    9:54am
    She will never have to live on the pension because she'll still get undeserved benefits forever. She doesn't have a clue and never will.
    jackie
    18th Jul 2019
    12:16pm
    retired lady, that's not her problem that's why she doesn't care.
    Blinky
    21st Jul 2019
    1:53pm
    Politicians, , ALL OF THEM
    do not care about pensioners, they see them as a burden to the budget.
    BUT, they DO REMEMBER that THEIR pensions are not 9nlt good, but that they will be there whether the budget is balanced or not!!!,
    AussieTuca
    18th Jul 2019
    9:56am
    Dear Minister Anne Ruston,

    What a load of crap! No one is financing my pension. I was a tax payer for 45 years plus and paid my due taxes every month. If people like you stopped wasting our blood money on unnecessary trips overseas and other "tours" around the country, if you stopped giving yourselves high raises, there would be some money left for the needed. What I am getting is a return of my money (not so wisely invested and used by the federal government).

    Where did you learn Economy? Correspondence School?
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    4:56pm
    Don't forget the Champagne socialist shifty shorten was the highest spender last year, $3 million plus. H really cares about pensioners doesn't he, sheesh.
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:08pm
    Well said Aussie Tuca
    GeorgeM
    19th Jul 2019
    1:15pm
    Absolutely correct, AussieTuca, this Minister is clearly still wet behind the ears, and let out a secret which the Libs are meant to share between themselves. Not smart enough to trick us yet! I did hear she was previously an adviser in AustralianSuper - wonder what kind of advice they got from her?

    If she is concerned too much money is spent on social welfare, I guess she can start by going for Universal Age Pension with NO tests, and only based on Age (65 years) and Residency (say 15 years), paid directly by the ATO, and cut down expenses in a massive way by shutting down a major part of Centrelink. Secondly, they can scrap all special politicians pensions, past and present, such as over $300K for Abbott, over $250K for Bronnie Bishop, Ruddock, etc, etc.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    3:45pm
    AussieTuca wondered "Where did you learn Economy? " ... Uni of Southern Queensland

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian?MPID=243273
    Whistleblower
    18th Jul 2019
    9:59am
    Is she related to Joe Hockey?
    Sundays
    18th Jul 2019
    1:58pm
    I think she is related to LiveItUp
    Sen.Cit.90
    18th Jul 2019
    2:45pm
    Reading her comments throughout this subject perhaps Liveitoup's real name is Anne Ruston. Incidentally this morning I read about the daughter of ex-PM challenging his will worth $millions. Just another poor Polly???
    AussieTuca
    18th Jul 2019
    9:59am
    Amen...
    Denis Wombat
    18th Jul 2019
    10:00am
    The adjustment to the deeming rate is great for those age pensioners who own their house and apparently have a stash of money in the bank! What about the poor old pensioners who are lucky to be able to switch the heater on after they have paid the rent. So who cares? No one except those affected. This is so very typical of the arrogant Australian way. The RICH get RICHER and the poor can go jump in the lake and drown!!!
    ray from Bondi
    18th Jul 2019
    12:23pm
    yes Dennis this is the crux of the matter, most and that includes me receive no benefit from these changes, though I have no reserves I am lucky to receive a little extra and only have apart pension, there is no way anybody can live on the basic pension only, utility and all the costs of surviving in a modern world take that without talking about food and warmth.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    7:59am
    That message needs to be got out there so the young can stop spending and save for their old age. Yes it will collapse the economy. There are always consequences. The LNP has one policy. Stop Labor. They are giving themselves more income with the tax cuts. That's all it's about.
    greatgolly
    18th Jul 2019
    10:01am
    Social Services Minister Anne Ruston, probably has no idea of what the cost of living is as she is fed and clothed by those pensioners who have allowed such as her the wealthy salary and perks she now has! I think she is arrogant, selfish and very uncaring toward those who built this country for over 50 years in the workforce, they are owed by the workers of today who build the future for the pensioners of tomorrow!

    Social Services Minister Anne Ruston, does and should not be holding her portfolio with that attitude toward the people who she serves; let's get it right, she works for us, comprendo?
    OJ21
    18th Jul 2019
    12:26pm
    I'm afraid they have all forgotten that they work for us. They only see politics as a means to become rich. We seam to be making a lot of rich politicians. None of them are qualified to hold any portfolio. They pay mega dollars to people to tell them what to do. They don't even consult us when they sell our assets!
    Ahjay
    18th Jul 2019
    2:11pm
    Yes, they work for us, but sadly, according to their contract we must wait three years until the next election to sack them.

    I spent 62 years in the full time work force, accumulated a few dollars and get a part pension.
    We need a universal pension payable to all residents over pension age and cut the perks to pollies and public servants. That would save billions.If they want more,they can save for it the same as the rest of us.
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    3:24pm
    I second that Ahjay. A brilliant solution
    retired lady
    18th Jul 2019
    10:06am
    We rent and for those who think we are given a helping hand with rent relief, it isn't true for us in community housing. The state government took away our rent relief that the commonwealth government gave us supposedly to build new housing for the homeless which is also a load of crap. Someone like this woman should not be in that position as she obviously has a biased view of pensioners.
    VinceD
    18th Jul 2019
    10:07am
    I'm not a pensioner but I am equally outraged. She hasn't got a clue. The politicians stole the money OAOP pensioners saved through their taxes and now they sit back knowing they themselves are well provided for in retirement and and decide others have to do it tough because they can't manage the economy.
    Suze
    18th Jul 2019
    12:45pm
    Yes Hawke and Keating stole the OAOP that pensioners saved through their taxes and then had the hide to say "It was a recession that we had to have" when interest rates for a housing loan rose to 18%. Then Under Gillard we got the highest paid Politicians in the Western World..... that is where our money went.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    8:03am
    Sure it was Fraser who took off with the Welfare Fund.

    The Liberal Party was created to stop Labor governing. They have no other policies and so often need to sell our assets or take our money to fund themselves. It's really that simple.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    10:39am
    Lynch and Fraser transferred the balance from the welfare fund but it had already been dead in the water for more than two decades. Some suggest the fund was originally a ruse to raise more income in the aftermath of WW2 because it was never set up correctly to track contributions and payments. Over the years the fund evolved into a complex accounting exercise that prompted Menzies to streamline the process by amalgamating the levy into the tax tables in 1962. There is no evidence the 7.5% levy even continued beyond the subsequent review of the tax tables. It would be interesting to comb the archives to see if there is any mention in the cabinet or treasury papers to see the extent to which it featured in later decisions.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    2:20pm
    Which just proves you can't trust anything politicians say or do.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    3:54pm
    Rae, we have always known deep down that pollies were loose with truth and ethically flexible when it came to commitments, however it is not an excuse for naivety and wilful misunderstanding when we think they are doing something to benefit us. Political misrepresentations over the years together with lack of scrutiny and general absence of civics education has not done us any favours.

    18th Jul 2019
    10:11am
    Typically arrogant LNP vermin. Put her on the Age Pension!
    jackie
    18th Jul 2019
    12:23pm
    Intellego, Morrison's mantra, fair go applies if you have a go and if you don’t seek to “take” a contribution.

    Those are the LNP policies.
    Sundays
    18th Jul 2019
    2:05pm
    Sure you would. What for a day, a week? What happens when something breaks down or needs replacing. Where are the cash reserves? We’re savers and live on a budget but can honestly say that we would struggle on the OAP. You must be a troll
    Sundays
    18th Jul 2019
    3:41pm
    My response was to LiveitUp whose comments on being able to live on the OAP seem to have been removed.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:50pm
    Yes it looks like if you disagree with anything here your comments get removed. That's not very democratic at all.
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    4:58pm
    Intellego,there are plenty of ALP vermin, shifty shorten, the bill we cannot afford for a start.
    TREBOR
    18th Jul 2019
    11:21pm
    Well... LIU/OG - when you post garbage.. it just gets taken out.....
    tex
    18th Jul 2019
    10:15am
    what have you got to say, Sco mo? We helped you to get back in!!
    the_Albert
    18th Jul 2019
    10:35am
    You did, and look what it got you. Surely as an oldie you must have learnt some discernment, some ability to identify shonks, yet you voted for the most obvious collection of scam artists and self-interested liars who ever presented themselves for election. I suppose you subscribe to the Murdoch press. You didn't want to vote for Shorten because you didn't trust him or something; did you ever consider his policies? Did you believe the government's lies about the retirement tax and so on? Sorry, Tex, but you reap what you sow.
    Janus
    18th Jul 2019
    11:18am
    All very well, and true to a point Albert, but WE reap what they sow as well.

    So much for the failing system we call democracy, where populism outweighs policy.

    Bring on the beneficent dictator! All we need to do is find one...
    OJ21
    18th Jul 2019
    12:33pm
    Shorten lies, he lies -- what BULLSHIT. Retirement tax - now that was a lie. I don't think I've heard a true statement from the liberals yet. No one seams to remember Abbots string of lies and broken promises and Howard's "NON CORE PROMISES". However, Shorten could have come out fighting instead of playing the cool calm and collected strategy.
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    5:00pm
    Rumour has it that shifty is organising a chain of 2nd hand car dealers, he will be ACE at that.
    TREBOR
    18th Jul 2019
    11:23pm
    Go away, roy - the greatest danger to parliament is democracy...

    Shorten has no need for a used car chain..... (chees)...
    Buggsie
    18th Jul 2019
    10:38am
    A message to all retirees, pensioners included. Many of us (not me) voted in the LNP knowing that their track record on pensions and welfare generally has been appalling. As the Bible says - "As ye sow so shall ye reap". My advice? Suck it up and save up your anger for the next election. As much as I feel for those trying to live out their remaining years on the age pension, I feel even more for those on Newstart who simply can't afford to live at all. I agree with AussieTuca, I also paid substantial taxes for over 40 years and I get NOTHING from welfare - where's the justice?
    retired lady
    18th Jul 2019
    10:59am
    How do you know they voted for Scott Morrison? Because he got in doesn't mean pensioners specifically voted for him. It was probably all those highly paid workers who knew they'd get the benefits that pensioners wouldn't who voted for them. I certainly didn't vote for him and I'm a pensioner so don't tell us to suck it up because we voted for him.
    Tood
    18th Jul 2019
    12:18pm
    It could have been quite different if labour had come up with rational run of the mill policies we wouldn't have this self-indulgent lot back in power and for the record I voted for neither of the major parties
    AutumnOz
    18th Jul 2019
    1:15pm
    Buggsie, I didn't vote for the LNP either and so far have not met anyone who admits to having voted for them.
    I think the LNP were probably re-elected by preferences which a lot of folk filled in, although I did hear the LNP had the most primary votes in the election.
    It is still a mystery to me why anyone would vote for either liberal or labor.
    TREBOR
    18th Jul 2019
    11:24pm
    Who, in his/her right mind - would vote for Morrison for President?
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:21pm
    Well said Bugsie, agree entirely - save it for the next election, but the people who listened to the LNP lies will probably fall for them again in the next election - they are extremely gullible. I also feel that the piddly Newstart payment is an outrageous blight on this country's government. When they can afford to give the top echelon such a huge tax break, why can't they give the most vulnerable in our society a mere $100 a week. It is an utter disgrace, we have approx. 130,000 homeless people in Australia at the moment -to coin a phrase - "how good is Australia?"
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    4:06pm
    libsareliars asks "how good is Australia?", one answer came from Ruston's colleague, Community Housing Minister, Luke Howarth, when said it was important to “put a positive spin” on homelessness. He said “What I’m saying ... is that Australia, we live in a fantastic country" and "We have 99.5% of our Australians … homed and living in safe places. There’s half a per cent of the population that isn’t." - sucks to be them I guess. He said the nearly 14% increase in homelessness between the 2011 and 2016 census surveys was “not ahead of population growth” and the a drop in the raw numbers of people rough sleeping from 8,946 to 8,200 was "good news".

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/09/community-housing-minister-luke-howarth-wants-a-positive-spin-on-homelessness
    clancambo
    18th Jul 2019
    10:38am
    Anne Ruston is one of the "ENTITLED" and as such has no feel or understanding of the plight of pensioners who have already invested their money into this country via the taxation system. Being one of the privaliged with 12% superannuation and a large salary with expenses, all paid for by the taxpayer, she is actually a bigger bludger on the system than any pensioner!!
    thommo
    18th Jul 2019
    11:49am
    to clancambo...she is a leaner..a bludger and spiv
    Wickedness
    18th Jul 2019
    10:39am
    I wonder if ScoMo questions how long he can last when Ministers like Anne Ruston makes stupid comments like that, she obviously forgets that she is receiving $200,000 plus, ($3846.00 per week) each year, and the tax she would pay(if she pays tax) would be more than a pension!
    Thoughtful
    18th Jul 2019
    11:18am
    You mean it is a generous amount of money that taxpayers make available for our politicians?
    older&wiser
    18th Jul 2019
    11:32am
    Wickedness - and don't forget all the extras she gets...travel allowance, accommodation allowance, meal allowance, stationary allowance (and what she doesn't spend - she can keep), obscenely generous super, post retirement travel, overseas travel, parking allowance, vehicle allowance, electoral allowance, electorate charter allowance, family travel allowance, etc.... And I can guarantee politicians have set up trusts and legal entities to avoid paying any tax.
    Triss
    18th Jul 2019
    12:19pm
    No, Thoughtful, it is a too generous amount of money that politicians have lifted from the taxpayers...And those same taxpayers will be shafted by those same politicians when they retire.
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    5:02pm
    I want to now how shifty has amassed a personal fortune of $61 million, does anybody know? Champagne socialist what?
    greenie
    18th Jul 2019
    10:39am
    The deeming rate change will do nothing for the vast number of pensioners who have no savings!
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    8:25am
    It would be wise to cut any extra spending on anything discretionary as this is going to get worse. The States will be screaming for a GST increase next and those tax cuts won't help retirees pay the higher prices for everything.
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:23pm
    Rae, I already have cut any extra spending! But i get your point.
    ndibs
    18th Jul 2019
    10:42am
    Largesse - she really needs to acquaint herself with aged pension history. My Grandparents endorsed a referendum pre WW2 to have a levy of 7% of his income captured for this prescribed pension fund.
    With WW2, that prescribed fund was vested with consolidated revenue to assist with the War effort and was intended to return as a prescribed pension investment fund after the War but this never occurred ad=nd it was never intended to be means tested until this was introduced by the Labor Government.
    So the Aged Pension is in reality the equivalent of a Superannuation Scheme and rather than the Largesse of the taxpayer, it is the Largees of those entitled by age toward the Government, in allowing that Government to strip them of an income to which they are entitled and contributed to.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    11:47am
    Yes the Labor Government reintroduced the assets test in March 1985 however an assets test was a feature of our social security system for most of the century. Did your grandparents omit to inform you there was a means test in place from July 1909 to October 1958? This was followed by a merged means test from May 1961 to May 1975 that applied to income and property.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    8:29am
    Unlike the rest of the OECD that realise this sort of inequity isn't very clever. When we all have to save like crazy to pay for our own retirement what happens to Main Street businesses. There is a reason retail and hospitality is contracting. Supply and Demand.

    A Liberal Party has one policy. Stop Labor. After that they need good advisers and we know Credlin got rid of them.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    10:47am
    Rae, I suspect our government and it's advisers (and even the much loved IPA) realises the inequity isn't desirable for a thriving society but addressing this is simply not its priority. Choices have consequences and we get the governments we deserve, not those we might need.
    johnp
    18th Jul 2019
    10:56am
    Re the part where Rushton says :
    "Senator Ruston said:
    “In terms of the amount of money that taxpayers fund our social welfare system, we put a lot of money into it.”the age Pension is already “generous” and suggests pensioners should be grateful for taxpayers’ largesse. “It is a generous amount of money that the Australian taxpayers make available to our older Australians,”
    Should read instead :
    "
    “In terms of the amount of money that taxpayers fund our franking credit scam, we put a lot of money into it.”the franking credit scam is already “generous” and suggests those receiving it should be grateful for taxpayers’ largesse. “It is a generous amount of money that the Australian taxpayers make available to this scam,”
    Johnny Howard set it up his mates as a loophole to receive large largesse from the govt basically welfare for the wealthy
    Pisces
    18th Jul 2019
    11:10am
    Exactly
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    8:32am
    They do only two things. Stop Labor and make money for themselves and mates. Always have done. I'm astonished you haven't realised this before now.
    Crowcrag
    18th Jul 2019
    10:57am
    I had never heard of Anne Ruston before. Clearly she has never heard of Social Services before. Now we know why she was given the job. Hopefully, soon we will never have to hear from her again. And I’m being ‘generous’!
    Sconny
    18th Jul 2019
    10:58am
    is anyone surprised ? does anyone really believe that politicians generally but Tories specifically give a stuff about ordinary Australians
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    5:03pm
    I didn't know we had tories in Australia, enlighten me Sconny.
    Sconny
    18th Jul 2019
    5:34pm
    In Australia, "Tory" is occasionally used as a pejorative term by members of the Australian Labor Party to refer to conservative members of the Liberal Party of Australia and National Party of Australia parties (who are in a long-standing coalition)....different country same politics they don't give a crap about ordinary Aussies...over to you Roy boy
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    6:41pm
    So shifty shorten cares about Australians,not. So shifty is a Tory. Over to you sconny boy.
    Sconny
    19th Jul 2019
    12:20pm
    this is getting to be habit, do I always need to enlighten you Royboy...for your information NONE of them of whatever political persuasion give a stuff about me OR you but take a look at your current hero Roy, the sniggering, sneering Morrison... he least of all of them.. he pisses me off and er...I've read some of your comments on this forum and you're beginning to piss me off to...over and OUT
    Daph58
    18th Jul 2019
    11:00am
    Absolutely disgusted with these comments - perhaps she should try to live on the money our pensioners receive for a year - and give up her over generous and I guess very expected post parliament pension - I am yet to retire but have watched as my Mum and some of her friends struggle from pension to pension - especially those that have no money to back them up (for multiple reasons) or who paying rent.

    18th Jul 2019
    11:01am
    while her comments were clumsy governments of all persuasions have to look at budgets. When the first equivalent of an aged pension was introduced (I think 1907) the majority of people barely last 4 years before passing. These days people reliving longer on average - a great many people are getting much more from OAP than they ever contributed in taxes. I am not affected as I am not entitled as I earn too much - no complaints - yet during my working life at one time I was paying well over 100k in taxes per year (so if I did get an OAP I would never recover what I contributed).
    These politicians all make this "generous" comments - they say the same thing about veteran allowances.
    The OAPers that do it tough are those renting - those owning their own homes are OK (may not be well off but OK).
    I watch TV and news and see every interest group asking for more and more funds but no one offers where the money is coming from or what can be cut.
    No matter how ordinary coalition might be the country dodged a bullet by not electing a higher taxing anti Australian policy labor.
    thommo
    18th Jul 2019
    11:52am
    to bob menzies...bugger the budget..pensioners are entitled (it is not welfare) to a decent and respectable pension payment.. not he pittance they get now...and the Newstart allowance is disgraceful.
    This govt is a bunch of liars and the sooner they get kicked out of govt the better..I never voted for them and never will.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    12:18pm
    balanced comments Bob. I think the Government could do more about pension affordability if it focussed on allocating proportion of GDP to social security roughly in line with OECD average.
    Triss
    18th Jul 2019
    12:28pm
    That goes for retired politicians as well, bob. They certainly didn’t think about budget when they corruptly awarded themselves lifetime pensions plus perks after working eight years. And, as for living longer, it is quite possible some of them will be fleecing the taxpayers for half a century.
    Crowcrag
    18th Jul 2019
    12:33pm
    Dear Bob Menzies,
    Your namesake was the one who took the pension tax and put it into general revenue!
    I suggest you do some simple maths. 7.5% of taxes paid over 50 years and invested at compound interest?? I will take that in lieu of my pension right now.
    Anonymous
    18th Jul 2019
    4:11pm
    General comments - Farside there is much merit in your suggestion. Crowcrag - your correct but it was part of a bigger package and since my first degree was finance the maths are very easy for more - while your correct there are other factors with that decision taken nearly 66 years ago. Triss - you will get no arguments from me BUT at least we have Mark lather to thank that no federal politician entering parliament after 2006 will get a life time pension - they contribute and can access after age 60 same as everyone else - however if you come back and say yes but there's is generous you'll only get my support.
    Finally Thommo - for you elections must generally be a sad affair - for me from 1950 I was 21 before I experienced a labor govn ( the disastrous Whitlam) and since 1993 the coalition have won 8 and of the 9 elections (yes they won in 2010 and Australians only suffered 3 years of Gillard because 2 disaffected ex Nats voted for her - libs actually won the majority of votes and the people spoke 3 years later and voted those 2 Nats out big time.
    I suspect you'll be disappointed in 3 years time when schmo wins again
    thommo
    18th Jul 2019
    9:36pm
    to bob menzies..that's the trouble...This country needs to be put back on an even keel, so that society is more fairer....ie equitable fairness...not what the LNP deem it to be so..
    GrannyH
    18th Jul 2019
    11:05am
    Typical youngster who has no idea about anything. Guess she’s just happy that she will always have plenty of money with her outrageous politician’s pension. No thought at all for us oldies. She needs to learn some hard lessons in live.
    Arjan
    18th Jul 2019
    11:09am
    Typical "out of touch" politician!! Disgraceful and disrespectful comments. I would love to see some of these pollies be made to live on the pension for a few weeks and see how they manage. Who is this woman, anyway?? In the job for 5 minutes and thinks she knows all the answers. I'm just so fed up with these politicians. And they've just been given a generous pay rise so they are very comfortable, thank you very much!!
    Dancer
    18th Jul 2019
    3:27pm
    too true Arjan - I intend to write to the Minister and I suggest you and everyone else who is so inclined, and is outraged, do the same - inundate her mail box with letters expressing our fury and disbelief in her arrogance, and her "out-of-touch" lifestyle.
    Hardworker
    18th Jul 2019
    11:11am
    Typical LNP spin.
    Ducky
    18th Jul 2019
    11:11am
    If she thinks the pension is so generous why isn't she living on an equivalent amount and why should we be grateful when we spent approx 54 years paying taxes. While all the while we have to watch underworked, overpaid fresh out of napkins types like her with absolutely no experience or history of paying taxes make ridiculous comments I would expect from a moronic teenager on drugs.

    18th Jul 2019
    11:12am
    I note that all sides of politics have disagreed with this FIFO minister. If this is an example of how she treats those under her portfolio, she will soon become a back bencher. She has not apologised nor has she claimed to be taken out of context which suggests an arrogance that is not compatible with her job.
    Tood
    18th Jul 2019
    12:25pm
    Not even fit to be a back bencher, they need to march this ignorant out of politics alltogether
    Anonymous
    18th Jul 2019
    1:52pm
    Surely that's a decision for the electorate Tood? She's not my local member but I would be very annoyed if the one this electorate chose was to be thrown out at the whim of other people.
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    3:34pm
    Please note people she is a Senator and does not have an electorate. She is in because many voted LNP above the line and not for here personally
    Anonymous
    18th Jul 2019
    4:47pm
    Just to be pedantic Veritas, she is a Liberal Senator because she represents South Australia, The only LNP Senators are from Queensland where the Liberals and Nationals have joined together rather than be a coalition as they are elsewhere.
    Ducky
    18th Jul 2019
    11:17am
    And Josh Fryedegg isn't any better than her. Where do the get these idiots from, surely they aren't the ones we voted for when they were promising the world.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    1:03pm
    you're joking aren't you Ducky? How could you not know Josh Frydenburg. And where did he come from ... Liberal heartland of Kooyong
    Eddy
    18th Jul 2019
    11:20am
    I totally disagree with the Ministers comments however I note, the lady is Minster for Social Security not Minister for Welfare. I wish other Ministers and media commentators (including some who contribute to this forum) would cease using the term 'welfare' when referring to payments made by government to the less affluent members of our community. The term "welfare' is used in a denigrating manner, most people who receive social security payments are good citizens who, for one reason or another, require community support. They do not deserve the sneering comments from more fortunate people.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    12:55pm
    Eddy, your objection to the word "welfare" does not change what it is. DSS references include a "fair and sustainable welfare system" and "building personal responsibility to reduce welfare dependency" and its program "Services to the Community – Social Security and Welfare" amongst others. There are numerous welfare references in the budget papers and of course we had the Welfare Reform Act last year. The word is not going away and is not intended to be denigrating or judgemental toward those receiving it.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    5:23pm
    Farside we know they use doublespeak now. Fair means unfair and surplus means add to the debt. More efficient and cheaper means it's going to cost heaps and won't work and some foreigner is making off with the money from our assets we no longer own.

    There is a point where all the lying words dreamed( or deemed) up just don't work anymore and your government has hit that point. They can say what they like but people don't believe them or trust them.

    They can tick the boxes and write a million reports and it doesn't mean a thing. They can even pass dodgy legislation. Governments in their last legs often do. Wallets are slamming shut right now all over Oz. They have really blown it this time good and proper. Even the young ones are laughing at them.

    Their treasury is empty, their foreign friends think them fools and even their buildings are falling down or burning up.

    We are worried about food on the table, roofs over heads and water in the jugs. None of which these honourable seem concerned about as the drought wears on. And fake money is not going to fix it.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    7:50pm
    yep Rae, "we're from the government and we're here to help" ... and besides all those observations ... "how good is Australia?"
    Belle
    18th Jul 2019
    11:23am
    The Social Services Minister must go.
    Or was her ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude the reason the similarly entitled Prime Minister appointed her?
    Not everybody is born with the same ability nor gets the same opportunities in life.
    People can ‘have a go’ but not make a lot of money, eg the elderly aged care worker Morrison so airily dismissed with ‘get a better job’.
    44% voted for the coalition which means 56% preferred others.
    The next election can’t come quickly enough!
    tisme
    18th Jul 2019
    11:29am
    if they are generous why do politicians need more ??? its as generous as the slave labour called carer, paid 3.50 an hour to be on the 'job" 24/7
    Jim C
    18th Jul 2019
    11:31am
    I shall not comment on this Minister's statement but will offer this: her basic salary is now around $211k and her junior ministerial addition is, I believe, around 57% of her base salary. I am not aware if she has an investment property (or two) attracting negative gearing but she will certainly have attractive travel and expenses allowances and a substantial index-linked pension when the time comes. That really is doing it tough, isn't it !!
    None
    18th Jul 2019
    11:32am
    I agree my husband and I both live on a Pension and do own our home the cost of living has outgrown our pension nearly . The rest of the bills keep coming power , rates etc . I would like some politicians to live on this for a year not just a week. We both worked really hard like all weekends plus 80 hours a week and shift work to give our children a better life and education and they are now all working and bringing their children up just like we did.This lady needs to get real!!!!
    patti
    18th Jul 2019
    3:33pm
    None = you are fortunate to own your own home.....that must help.....try living on the Age Pension as sole income, and paying a mortgage, plus everything else. I'm not sure how much longer I can do it, and at 75 I won't get a job......genersous indeed!
    CoogeeGuy
    18th Jul 2019
    11:35am
    OMG! It appears this is the calibre of politicians we are attracting to our Australian Parliament at the moment. Surely we have a higher quality of candidates out there we can source. Anne Ruston should step down, and go back into training for 5 years, and come back a lot more educated than she currently is. One thing is for sure! We do not need people like her representing our country. What uneducated comment is she going to say next?
    Neeney Doc
    18th Jul 2019
    11:38am
    How civilized a country is, is judged by how it treats the elderly, the ill, children, animals and refugees.
    Seadove
    18th Jul 2019
    11:43am
    Anne Ruston - in her previous life she grew roses, was appointed to the senate because Mary Jo Fisher retired. Turnbull annointed her assistant minister to agriculture and water resources - we see how well that area is doing at the moment. If the Pension Fund that was set up by Ben Chifley hadn't been shovelled over to consolidated revenue but kept for what it was established for we would not be having this conversation, it would have been large enough to give all of us a good pension and not be a bother in the budget. Politicians are to blame for the current state of affairs and once again telling us we are all welfare bludgers living off the taxpayer while they screw us over on a daily basis. Arrogant bastards is all they are.
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:28pm
    Spot on.
    mitch1945
    21st Jul 2019
    11:29am
    Absolutely correct - well said Seadove.
    Geminiwoman
    18th Jul 2019
    11:44am
    I have always said, and still say, that it should be mandatory for anyone who is elected into parliament to have to live on the pension for a minimum of 3 months. See how many of them think it's generous then.
    Triss
    18th Jul 2019
    12:36pm
    Make it a year, Geminiwoman.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    1:10pm
    not going to happen, sorry
    sunnyOz
    18th Jul 2019
    2:33pm
    I absolutely refuse to believe politicians go into politics "to help people". Utter rubbish! They stand to get in simply and solely for what they can get out of it. I had the misfortune to work for one - briefly, thank heavens. And not for one second, not a single second, did constituents come first. Morally and ethically, I could not tolerate the lies, the absolute false 'advice' I was forced to tell people. Worst job I have ever had in over 50 years.
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    5:06pm
    Hey sunnyOz, Shifty Shorten is in politics for the people and not himself, did you not know?
    Adi
    18th Jul 2019
    11:44am
    No idea whatsoever. Get rid of them. Why didn't we when we had a chance???
    Dabbydoos
    18th Jul 2019
    11:45am
    Anne Ruston I dare you to live on the age pension for a month whilst paying $250 a week rent and then tell pensioners to stop moaning. You madam have no idea what it is to struggle. Your comments are insulting.
    Foxy
    18th Jul 2019
    1:47pm
    .... where do you get a place for $250.00 per week rent? Is that one room/share house? Unit in Regional area? Where? I have friends here in Melbourne who are on the OAP and are paying $340.00 per week (no "McMansion" either!)

    If it wasn't for one of their kind adult sons helping out with rent now and then - how in hell could they survive on simply the OAP? Impossible!!!

    Pensioners in "private rental" are the ones doing it tough - trust me! From what I hear it's about time the Rent Assistance/Supplement is INCREASED!! As is wayyyy behind with the constant increase in rents! Years since an increase - right??

    This bloody woman is a joke! Get rid of her! Outrageous and lacking in compassion!!
    Tanker
    18th Jul 2019
    11:47am
    The evidence points to stormy waters ahead for Australia so when the proverbial hits the fan who do you think will feel the pain first. Those who are getting those tax cuts in the 3rd stage of ScMo's largesse or the less well off? The LNP will follow the same path as the Tory Party in the UK where "Austerity" measure have been applied. This is a short hand way of saying tax cuts for the wealthy are essential to stimulate business but health, education and social welfare get cut.
    Charlie
    18th Jul 2019
    11:47am
    Helloooo people are not born age pensioners, they pay tax all their life, then they become age pensioners
    thommo
    18th Jul 2019
    11:48am
    Pensioners are now outraged by this LNP government, with it's lousy stance on deeming rates and a lousy pension payment...But they should have woken up to them before the last election, and for the life of me I don't know why.
    But there is still time... Just ignore their lies and promises and kick them out of office at the next election, or sooner if possible...
    But they were told.. pensioners are now getting their just desserts
    OJ21
    18th Jul 2019
    12:38pm
    By the time the next election comes they will have found more lies to spin to the "gullible" pensioners.
    Dancer
    18th Jul 2019
    3:30pm
    That's a tough comment, thommo - "pensioners are now getting their just desserts" - who are you to judge why people are on the pension in the first place? and how do you know which people - pensioners or millionaires - voted in the current government?
    patti
    18th Jul 2019
    3:36pm
    Not my just desserts, thommo, I didn't vote for the sods!
    thommo
    18th Jul 2019
    4:14pm
    to Dancer.. it is quite obvious that a lot of pensioners vote Liberal...thinking they will be fair...but it you had your ear to the ground for the last six years, you would know that they are just a bunch of lying mongrels... Yes a lot of well-off retirees voted for the LNP, but those with franking credits largess were a minority.... so, pensioners should have been awake to Morrison and his lies...But just kick them out next time...
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:31pm
    Agree entirely thommo. KICK THIS MOB OUT!
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    4:10pm
    thommo is talking to the half of pensioners that voted LNP (again)
    mudGecko
    18th Jul 2019
    11:52am
    What is overly generous is the wage and pension given to this relative brat who has been given preferential treatment to get her taxpayer-funded position to address 'gender imbalance'.

    Her arrogance and crass stupidity is (another) classic result of appointing people to jobs way beyond their capabilities; not because of what's between their ears but what's between their legs.

    Clearly deserving of relegation to the backbench; she has been fairly voted in as an electorate representative and she may be able to do that job properly.
    Tood
    18th Jul 2019
    12:14pm
    Well said mudGecko!
    julias
    18th Jul 2019
    11:59am
    This woman needs to live on the Aged Pension and nothing else for a month. Pay rent, pay for food, look after grandkids, pay for companion animals care (Four Footed Sanity-Savers), put petrol in the car. Without any other lerks or perks. Just the Aged Pension. Then she can decide whether or not this is generous.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    1:29pm
    If you can pay for animals then the OAP is very generous.
    sunnyOz
    18th Jul 2019
    2:49pm
    Livitup - what a spoil sport you are! It is an absolute proven fact that seniors with a pet are happier, often healthier, and live longer! I recently helped a 92 year old lady still living in her own home, to get a little dog. After her last dog died, she swore she would "shrivel up and die". I have a little dog, who costs me less than $5 a week, and boy, does she eat well! I go to a local supermarket on a Monday morning and buy legs of lamb reduced from $38.50 to $4.25. That feeds her for 2 weeks. Plus the bone. Never needed a vet apart from $120 for annual vaccinations, we walk twice a day, meet and talk to people down the park, at cafes, in my little town. In my area some of the older people admit that having their dog is the best way to maintain socializing. And none of these people have big dogs, which makes it cheaper. So that is totally wrong, unfair and insulting to say if you are on the pension, and have a pet, you are living in luxury.
    Foxy
    18th Jul 2019
    3:03pm
    ......sunnyOz - legs of Lamb reduced from $38.50 - to $4.25? Seriously? You obviously don't live in "Marvellous Melbourne" haha .....(once - the world's most liveable city...)

    legs of lamb still "gold plated" here on any day of the week! :(
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:03pm
    Pets are a luxury so if you can afford a pet on the OAP then it is very generous.
    CountryCatkin
    18th Jul 2019
    4:58pm
    Agreed. Pets are wonderful as companions and give a real reason for many people to enjoy their quieter years. Don't knock them. These folks don't sound as warped and nasty as the nay-sayers commenting. Pets are not a luxury. If anything they can be a necessity and are so worth having.
    moama jock
    18th Jul 2019
    11:59am
    Social Service Minister Ruston should be embarrassed by her thoughtless uncaring and offensive statements regarding the aged pension.It just goes to show how out out of touch some politicians are.Prime Minister Morrison went to extraordinary lengths pre election to state that his party had the interests of all electors at heart only to have this ignorant nobody state the absolute opposite.Mr Morrison owes it to those who elected him to publicly chastise this "superior "Senator otherwise he well may find himself in opposition as did a similar remark help in the defeat of the current opposition.

    moama jock
    Jacka
    18th Jul 2019
    12:02pm
    No mincing words the B----, should be sacked. Put her on the dole and let's see how generous she finds it. She obviously has no idea of reality, nor that pensioners were all taxpayers once. That's all I have to say, I'm too angry for further comment. Cheers Jacka.
    disillusioned
    18th Jul 2019
    12:04pm
    If it's so generous, why don't the politicians get the same pension amount when they retire? With all the lurks and perks and humungous pensions they get, no wonder they have so much trouble balancing the Budget! (not their own domestic ones, of course!) Older Australians have propped up this LNP government through paying our taxes more times than they deserve to be propped up! These young pollies have no clue what it's like to live on the Age Pension, and the idea that the Age Pension is a "gift" to us oldies from a beneficent and NOT an entitlement is as ridiculous as the comments made by Sr. Rushton!
    Chris B T
    18th Jul 2019
    12:10pm
    Deeming Rates Are Not A Payment from Government/Tax Payer.
    Deeming Rates Is About Collection Of Money, Unreasonably Collected.
    No Payment Just Not Collecting as Much Just The SAME AS TAX CUTS.
    Collect MORE From Large Corporations and Set Minimum Collection % Amounts.
    {;-(0)
    JBP
    18th Jul 2019
    12:13pm
    I have not heard of her before now, but she is clearly another parasitic politician with her snout in the trough, busy anticipating her excessive MPs pension payments. and untroubled by empathy for the elderly who struggle.
    OJ21
    18th Jul 2019
    12:17pm
    So many pensioners voted for the Government because they listened to Morrison's LIES. They should know by now the goals of the liberal party. Try and tell younger Australians that the old age pension (now sneakily called welfare) is a right for people born before super and their taxes should have funded their retirement. The tax office helps the Government stir up discontent in taxpayers by publishing a bar graph each year showing "Welfare and pensions" being the largest expenditure of taxes. Why don't they add a bar to show politicians benefits and pensions that are funded from our taxes!
    Dotty
    18th Jul 2019
    12:56pm
    Yes that would then show those that voted them in just how much is wasted on them over the year !
    Wow it would blow the graph off the wall !!
    Dotty
    ray from Bondi
    18th Jul 2019
    12:20pm
    this is what I posted on my FB page...
    this reinforces what I constantly say, just about all politicians are out of touch and are only worried about what concerns them
    this is especially true for those inflicted with the Orwellian liberal DNA, do not expect anything other from them.
    cat
    18th Jul 2019
    12:24pm
    This senator is so out of touch with the realty of surviving on only the age pension that her comments are not even close to being a honest assessment of life.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    2:32pm
    She didn't do so well with the water security either. When they fail that badly they should not get paid at all by taxpayers.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    4:12pm
    Rae, perhaps not a great result with water but clearly well enough to be promoted to cabinet and given the social security portfolio.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    5:12pm
    She's not doing so well with Social Security either it seems. How to upset everyone. I don't even get welfare and I'm disgusted by the sheer tone of her speech and the appalling attitude of superiority.

    These people get paid too much and there is very little honourable about them unfortunately.

    Social Security means just that. She'd be better off ensuring country areas at least have water delivered to Supermarkets while the kids are home from school.

    In fact water deliveries should be rolling out across the country. Talk about a National disaster and these clowns fussing about bloody tax cuts.

    I don't think I've ever seen a more useless Parliament.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    7:51pm
    how good is mediocrity?
    Spud
    18th Jul 2019
    12:29pm
    Well for a start offence is taken not given but in saying that I actually took great offence at what and how the minister said what she did .
    Spud
    18th Jul 2019
    12:31pm
    And the way she said it !

    Couldn’t edit my post !
    Andy
    18th Jul 2019
    12:33pm
    what complete and utter crap and on top of that she has the cheap to say workers are paying tax to pay for us so lady tell me what happened to all the tax we paid and by the way a very sore point to me we pensioners are still paying 40% tax yer even though we are not working we are still partly paying our own way could somebody give this dumb bitch a brain and put her on the pension
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    2:34pm
    Better ask what happened to all the trillions we paid to build money making assets her foolish Party sold for less than they were worth. Where has all that money gone?
    Boomah52
    18th Jul 2019
    12:45pm
    From memory one third live in poverty, just above South Korea on around half in the Developed World. Politicians are up the other end of the scale lol. Some "developed" countries spend around double on their seniors...
    CountryCatkin
    18th Jul 2019
    12:50pm
    Everyone has right to speak up and by and large the comments are perfectly accurate. But the gutter language that various people think will enhance their argument needs reining in. We don't all speak like you or call other people vermin etc. They may be angry, but these people show themselves in a very poor light. Why is there no language vetting of this site? Surely there are better ways of making one's feelings known? I am a pensioner. I am not a wowser, but I object to the way many of these comments are couched.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    1:22pm
    well said
    CountryCatkin
    18th Jul 2019
    8:53pm
    Thank you Farside! After reading the hysterical responses from so many people I wonder how they would cope if they lived in a third world country where they would have nothing to complain about - literally!
    Surely level-headed and sane ways of expressing anger are far more valuable in seeking change. Spiteful denigration and vitriol don't help anyone, just show up the real person.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    10:59am
    Catkin, intolerance and confected rage are a feature of the zeitgeist of 21st century Australia
    Dotty
    18th Jul 2019
    12:53pm
    I doe one was totally offended by the comments made by Anne Ruston as a sole dependent aged Pensioner I worked and paid my Taxes that are now keeping her in the high life while I struggle to eat food every day !
    I worked in between having my children and then after when they were three months old without any financial help from the Government of the day then !
    So I have earned my aged pension well and truly ! And no Super as when I retired the super had only just begun so no savings as for rearing and schooling my 3 children I never had any chance to save, being a single parent without any payments back then like the young ones of today get from the Fathers if separated !
    So I don't feel any guilt ! But all this seeming I don,t understand as I don,t have any money like others to fall back on so the only help I get is from my family like a meal now and then or vouchers for Coles to shop with !
    So yes thei will help those with the drop in interest rates I hope !
    But what about others like myself who never have any money to fall back on and that is where I get frustrated as its always about the aged pensioners having plenty but that is always not true !
    These Pollies stand up there and sprout off about us being well off with getting the pension and what do they get on top of theirs with all the perks etc they get for just spending some time in as a Minister!
    Its truly a big joke !! Dotty !
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    2:12pm
    I know how you feel Dotty, you work all your life and are told by a child you are getting a generous taxpayer handout - DISGUSTING. Never ever been on the dole etc, never costed the system a cent.
    LiveItUp you are just pathetic.
    Sundays
    18th Jul 2019
    2:15pm
    What’s your take on part pensioners then?
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    3:48pm
    Good on them, but they do get the short straw. Many on the part pension are not receiving
    decent amounts to offset the pension they are denied. It's not fair across the board to most i.e. part and full pensioners.
    Sundays
    18th Jul 2019
    8:54pm
    Veritas my comment was a response to LiveitUp whose rubbish has been removed. You’ve made some good points however
    Not a Bludger
    18th Jul 2019
    1:01pm
    The Minister is correct.
    By any comparison, Australia does have a generous welfare system which, incidently, sits alongside a generous and extensive health system.
    All paid for by the taxpayers coin.
    So when the leftie, permanently outraged do an Oliver Twist they are really saying - stick in my mitt (for free) more of what you have earnt - just like leftie Linda Burney except she doesn’t get the pile on for her large, pollies salary + super ++.
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    2:07pm
    Good grief, Not a Bludger (?) and LiveItUp, what a pair you 2 are. So sanctimonious, were you 2 at the original Don's Party??? We have a good health system, until you are ramped in an ambulance, or need a hip replacement (2 years maybe?) O.A.P. is adequate if you've been lucky enough to have had full employment for 50 odd years, saved, bought a house and not had your super ripped off by AMP. Otherwise a lot of people a doing it tough.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    6:51pm
    Bludger says "By any comparison, Australia does have a generous welfare system" ... and where do we sit in relation to the rest of the OECD as a % of GDP?
    Believer
    18th Jul 2019
    1:03pm
    After working for 50 years and paying tax, I am disgusted at her comments! How dare she! How many people don't reach pension age and have paid tax all their life. What happens to their money? Family don't get it !!!!!
    sunny
    18th Jul 2019
    1:03pm
    We have a reason for not getting regular, trendy haircuts, she could afford a decent conditioner at least, on her wages.
    Bulla
    18th Jul 2019
    1:03pm
    They get hefty amount of salaries,super.pensions,other pequs and on top of that steal money from here and there and when caught unashemdly laugh it away,no one is punished or even paid back the money they stole/overdrawn. They are descendants of same bastards who claimed to be human breed but worst than scavengers living by consuming human flesh.Obviously, she is one from amongst the same class.Place is reserved for them in the hell where they belng
    retvilldotnet
    18th Jul 2019
    1:08pm
    To Anne Ruston MP. "Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago" - Warren Buffett . It was PENSIONERS who also planted those trees, enjoy the shade.
    Annick
    18th Jul 2019
    1:10pm
    I have just download my pension income for the past financial year. $16437.00 for myself and the same for my partner, we are both over 75. Our rent (not public housing is $340 per week. Then there is the cost of food, heating, medication, insurances, grandkids birthdays, a few outings, petrol, car maintenance and other expenses. Some fortnights we are lucky to be able to afford a coffee out let alone a night out. Senator Anne Ruston is so out of touch with the elderly she has no idea. Our combined income is a 6th of what her base salary is let alone all the perks and add ons politicians receive so out of touch. and by the way I did not vote for the LNP and would never vote for them as they don't regard low income earners worthy of their attention.
    bandy
    18th Jul 2019
    1:12pm
    I cant believe how some of these so called poiticians get elected letalone make dessions on peoples lives,a far as Anne Ruston is concerned I think she is a complete MORRON she reminds me of Scott Morrison when he had the job.
    The labour made a comment that it was offended to what she said,I hpoe they have the balls to give her such a hard time that she wont want to be there.Liveitup your not evan worth a comment
    Crystal Clear
    18th Jul 2019
    1:26pm
    Seniors paid taxes to fund roads, libraries, hospitals and education for the younger generation. Too often it seems that the money spent on the education of these dopes was obviously a waste.
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    1:55pm
    It is so Crystal Clear
    GeorgeG
    18th Jul 2019
    1:31pm
    2010 Max deeming rate 4.50%, Term deposits 5.95%
    2019 Max deeming rate 3.00%, Term deposits 2.00%
    Explain the consistency and fairness there?
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:17pm
    Share market 2019 11% plus

    Super 2019 9% plus

    Deeming rate is therefore more than generous.
    Flustered
    18th Jul 2019
    1:48pm
    Just as an example and I'm not alone I'm sure..I was a self employed Builder and calculated it would take 26 years to pay back what I contributed in the last 12 months I worked, and had worked (and paid tax) for 50 years...I wonder how much she will contribute and what her return will be on the very generous parliamentary pension.
    KSS
    18th Jul 2019
    1:52pm
    And the fact is poeple once only lived a couple of years on the age pension (if they ever made it to 65/60 at all). Today people live 25-30+ on the pension!
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    2:44pm
    Once we had a gold standard and that mattered. Now we have fake money and the only issue is inflation. Our CPI is dismal so that's obviously not the problem. I think the conservatives are just mean and nasty. Something terribly wrong with the nature of conservatives.
    Baby Huey
    18th Jul 2019
    1:48pm
    Rushton's demeaning statement echo's Joe Hockey's lies about how well pensioners and retirees were doing when he was treasurer under Abbott. Rushton's statement demonstrates clearly just how cognitive defective our politicians. It is my view that the only way Ruston can tell her arse from a hole in ground is to stick her finger in it and try to walk away.
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    1:49pm
    How dare this chick of a senator who has been in work for 5 minutes tell me, who has been in constant work for 55yrs and on the (OAP 5 yrs because AMP cost me $60,000) THAT it is A) Generous and B) Paid for by the taxpayers like her. REALLY. All those tax returns I sent in don't count, is this right Ms. Ruston??? God give me a break from the youth of today!!!!! Highminded, wowsers, stick in the mud, party poopering, self opinionated OK STOP !!!!!
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    2:02pm
    It's about time someone stood up and told the truth about the OAP. It is welfare and it is very generous. It also has nothing to do with if you worked or not.

    It welfare that is given to those who in old age have no other means of support.

    Thank goodness we have a minister with the guts to tell the truth.
    Dancer
    18th Jul 2019
    3:40pm
    That's a tough stance LiveItUp - the age pension is not "welfare" that was earned via paying taxes - it is a subsistence amount of money paid to people who have no other income. Any decent society and any decent citizen is happy to provide such assistance to those who need it. And it is not "generous" - it is a bare means of living with no frills.
    What is generous is that amount of salary, perks and pensions that politicians get - not "earned" but get during and after just a couple of terms in office!

    Minister Ruston's comments are mean, arrogant, incorrect and unjustified.
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    3:52pm
    How old are you LiveItUp? You sound like the arrogant youth, same as this misguided Minister.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:55pm
    Way old enough to make my own decisions on things and not just go along with the masses.
    VICMT
    18th Jul 2019
    2:03pm
    Many people such us my wife and I were not able to contribute into a super fund until the scheme was introduced pat-way through our working lives. for so many years of our working lives we were told to expect that our taxes to be contributing to our pensions. Tax rates were much higher in those days; many women did not work and spent their lives looking after house and children.
    Things have changed, but not for my generation.
    Over the years, I have paid lots of tax, have now been retired for 12 years and the savings get run down. We have no super now as my accountant recommended that we wind up our small fund as it was costing more to administer to meet government and ATO requirements to audit etc. than it could reasonably earn.
    The result is that any remaining savings goes into bank deposits and we al know what that means now-a-days, sweet nothing. I cannot possibly risk what is left by investing into the stock market or into high risk high return investments.
    Our generation seems to be lost in the middle and falling between the cracks of political neglect and lack of understanding of the plight of pensioners, particularly those who have already been retired for a number of years, and even more so for those that are not fortunate to own their own homes.

    When are these people in Canberra going to wake up. If they don't, it's at their own peril as there is always another election!
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    2:51pm
    VICMT I know exactly where you are coming from, our taxes were a third of our wages in the sixties and bracket creep was rampant. And yes we saved, but we also were paying high taxes for the pension. So LiveItUp you are so crass
    ollie
    18th Jul 2019
    2:05pm
    More propaganda and lies from another liberal leach if they had their way we would not get a pension even if we did work all our lives to earn it now they are trying to convince people that its a hand out I still remember getting a letter telling me that my taxes were going up to guarantee me an aged pension if that money went into a super fund for my benefit instead of politicians perks I would be well off today were do they find these tossers
    patti
    18th Jul 2019
    2:15pm
    If she thinks it's generous, let's see her live on it for a year, on her own, paying a mortgage or rent and all the costs associated with owning a house. She wouldn't last a month I reckon.
    SKRAPI
    18th Jul 2019
    2:46pm
    THAT WAS A B;LASTED INSULT 2 GENUINE PENSIONERS THE ONES WHO O9NLY RECEIVE 1 PENSION NOT THE ONES WHO GET DOUBLE THE AUSTRALIANS . YES SHE SHOULD APOLOGISE & LEARN THE TRUE FACTS NO GOOD HER TRYING 2LIVE ON IT SHE HAS SUCH AN ENORMOUS BACK UP. STUPID WOMAN GROW A BRAIN & USE IT . PENSIONERS HAVE PAIDIN ALL THEIR LIVES 4 THEIR PENSION iT WAS PROMISED 2 THEM YEARS AGO IF THEY CONTRIBUTED AS TAX-PAYERS INTO A SEPARATE FUND WHICH ITIS ESTIMATED WOULD B WORTH BILLIONS NOW EXCEPT SUCCESSIVE POLITICIANS COULDN'T KEEP THEIR HANDS OFF IT & HAVE RIFLED IT THROUGH OUT THE YEARS .
    Veritas
    18th Jul 2019
    2:52pm
    YAY SKRAPI
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:34pm
    The true fact is the OAP is very generous.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:34pm
    The true fact is the OAP is very generous.
    CountryCatkin
    18th Jul 2019
    5:03pm
    Stop yelling! It doesn't help you get your point across. Too hard to wade through.
    ex PS
    18th Jul 2019
    2:52pm
    As a general rule, we get the quality of government we deserve. So stop whining and suck it up, think a bit more about what you are voting for next time.
    thommo
    18th Jul 2019
    9:37pm
    to ex PS...CORRECT....
    Lyn
    18th Jul 2019
    2:53pm
    All good things come to an end and her career will end in the next 3 years I would predict. The liberals don't need someone as ignorant as this one to insult the older population of our country.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2019
    7:01pm
    Lyn, did your political predictions come true on May 18th?
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    2:47pm
    Possibly not but if we all looked after ourselves we could end her career . In fact we probably don't actually need an expensive Federal Government these days at all. A co-operative of State representatives could manage the few Federal tasks. It would save billions and we could possibly sell Canberra to pay for the change over.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    7:56pm
    I like your thinking ... gift the ACT to NSW and NT to SA, invite NZ and have them establish ANZ commissions to work cooperatively, as we do with standards.
    Arvo
    18th Jul 2019
    2:58pm
    If the minister says that ‘It is a generous amount of money that taxpayers make available to older Australians.’...then she is overwhelmingly overpaid...and she should give her salary back to the taxpayers and survive on old age pension instead!!!!
    Arvo
    19th Jul 2019
    5:15pm
    Who stole the workers’ compulsory pension fund?
    Published 4 April 2015

    A regular reader of MM, Wallace, has sent the following, which he had tucked away in his files. Unfortunately, the original author is unknown and the veracity of the article shall be deferred to our learned readers with other knowledge either pro or con. This is an excerpt from a very long piece but for our purposes begins here, with original punctuation errors: (Ed.)
    Considerable public relations investment prepares Aussies for this event; generally in the form of proselytising the myth that the younger generation is being stuck with the burden of financing pensions for the ageing baby boomers. The reality could not be more different. This is the story of a different kind of privatisation… outright theft on a multi-billion dollar scale; the appropriation of an entire age pension scheme. We don’t even know where the money went.
    The history of the Age Pension Fund is not-well-known and it goes back to 1945, when Prime Minister Ben Chifley became aware of grinding poverty amongst the elderly. He was shocked, and a referendum was put to the people of Australia; and the outcome was a welfare fund contributed to by every Aussie worker, at a rate of 7.5% of gross income (at the time, in Australia and New Zealand, one and sixpence in the pound). This was a fund that was very specifically owned by the workers and declared as such; a fund in which government could not interfere; and from which it could not even borrow. Money could only be paid out as an indexed and non-means tested pension upon retirement at age 65 (60 for women).
    To ensure the public was reminded of its investment, and so no government could interfere with the Fund, the amount appeared at the top of every income tax form and was calculated before income tax. Actuaries have calculated that this fund should currently be yielding at $6000 per year more than the current age pension.
    Posthumously, former Prime Minister Robert Menzies should be tried for the original theft; perhaps the greatest heist in human history. Former Prime Minister Paul Keating needs to answer the long-stalled question, where is this fund? This is a fund that he illegally, and in breach of the constitutional sacrosanctity of referenda, imposed means testing; on worker’s own savings.
    Does the current government know about this? It would certainly explain why on 29 July 2009 the Minister for Aging Jenny Macklin diverted attention from the 1946 fund, by erecting a monument in Canberra to the 1909 age pension scheme which, as she mentioned over-casually, “was means tested, just like today’s version”. Nice try Minister but you are still in possession of stolen funds and imposing illegal means-testing.

    another commentator wrote, "It seems that some in government can’t keep their hand of other peoples money. Paul Keating discovered a wad of cash hidden away in the defence forces superannuation fund and decided to steal it and blow it in the usual Labor Party fashion.
    It is worth noting that those funds he stole where the compulsory 5.5% input by members of the defence forces and that the government didn’t contribute one single cent to that fund, but he stole the money anyway. Politicians make damned sure that their of grossly indecent superannuation is safe and that they can get their dirty little arse scratchers on it whenever it suits them."
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    8:06pm
    Arvo, let's not get let the facts get in the way of a good story but I would love to see the actuarial studies proving the figures above if it is not complete BS

    Abolition of the Fund
    In January 1976 the then Treasurer, Mr Lynch, wrote to the Department of Social Security. He stated that, as the balance of the Fund was only an 'historical balance' not affecting the payment of funds and not necessary, the balance was to be paid into the Consolidated Revenue Fund. At that time the balance was $469.9m. He reported to Parliament in February during discussion of the Loan Bill 1976

    "... balances amount to some $470m and are currently invested in internal Treasury Bills. While this measure requires no legislative action, it is, I believe, appropriate it should be the subject of information to the Parliament... Obviously, in these circumstances, no working balance is required in the Trust Account. The Audit Act provides a procedure whereby moneys not required for the purposes of a Trust Account may be transferred to the Consolidated Revenue Fund upon determination by the Treasurer. I intend that the
    internal treasury bill holdings of the National Welfare Fund Trust Account be redeemed. The cash resulting from the redemption of the internal treasury bills will be paid direct to the Consolidated Revenue Fund. It is, of course, from the Consolidated Revenue Fund that all expenditures on social security are now met. " [Hansard, 26 February 1976, p.328.]

    Menzies had already recognised the fund was then merely an accounting activity and served no real function. The 1980-81 Auditor-General's Report criticised the arrangement as inefficient.

    On 26 March 1985, the Minister Assisting the Treasurer, the Hon. C. Hurford, introduced a Bill to repeal the National Welfare Fund Act 1943 and to make all relevant social service payments directly from the Consolidated Revenue Fund. This Bill passed the House of Representatives on 22 April and the Senate on 10 May 1985.

    https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:%22library/prspub/4511255%22
    Arvo
    20th Jul 2019
    12:51am
    Farside- "Prime Minister Ben Chifley became aware of grinding poverty amongst the elderly. He was shocked, and a referendum was put to the people of Australia; and the outcome was a welfare fund contributed to by every Aussie worker, at a rate of 7.5% of gross income (at the time, in Australia and New Zealand, one and sixpence in the pound). This was a fund that was very specifically owned by the workers and declared as such; a fund in which government could not interfere; and from which it could not even borrow"
    Are you stating this was not true?
    Rae
    20th Jul 2019
    9:14am
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    Farside is there a reason you believe everything someone says simply because they are an elected politician? It seems to be your task to defend them.

    Perhaps Treasury and the Fraser Government got it wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

    In the case where they have breached the Constitution yet again perhaps that Future Fund could be used to replace the Welfare Fund taken.

    Both Parties have tried sneaking representatives into the Parliament unconstitutionally. That's public record.

    In fact we have had legislation passed here recently that is still being challenged by the judiciary. They don't always get it right just because they are members of a Party.
    Farside
    20th Jul 2019
    4:35pm
    Rae, I do not believe everything an elected politician says, nor do I take on faith the selectively reasoned and unsupported opinions over theft of the Welfare Fund.

    I am more persuaded by bona fide research than politicians speeches and unsupported opinion. For example, old mate Arvo reposts an opinion about the origins of the National Welfare Fund and its current value, but where is the evidence to support the claims. He mention Chifley becoming aware of poverty in 1945 when the National Welfare Fund was established in 1943; the approach to old age pensions and other social security was extensively debated from the late 1930s. Arvo says a referendum "was put to the people of Australia; and the outcome was a welfare fund" but when and which referendum? Arvo says "the fund is specifically owned by the workers and declared as such"; really, it was established by legislation as a trust account with the Parliament as trustee to receive income for making social security payments (that included all forms of social security, something overlooked by the theft argument proponents). And then let's get to the actuarial modelling if it exists ...

    Do I believe Chifley was genuine in his stated intent for the levy or was it more post-war revenue raising? I don't know but the record shows it being argued the government "freely admitted that the whole amount of the fund would not be used for the purpose for which ostensibly it was established but that some of it would be used for war purposes". Do you believe the various government levies today are used solely for the purposes they were established - I suspect not?

    Are you saying the Fraser government did not transfer the balance of the account? If not then where is it? I don't disagree that governments and MPs have acted unconstitutionally from time to time and I would add the judiciary does not always get it right for the times, which is why precedent can be overruled. Even old mate Chifley was found to have acted unconstitutionally in 1944 when he tried to introduce free medicines.
    Leprachaun
    18th Jul 2019
    3:00pm
    I wonder if she was given a pension and told to live off it for a month, how long would she last. It's all right saying these people "Pensioners"have got it easy, "they don't know when they are well off, ccccccccccccccc0
    robmur
    18th Jul 2019
    3:06pm
    I Ruston following the party line, or is she just plain dumb. The PM should give her a good talking to, or better still remove her from her ministerial position replacing her with someone with an ounce of knowledge of the plight of aged pensioners. Ruston will live to regret such a stupid comment. Come down from your ivory tower Senator Ruston and live on the aged pension for a month. Then come back and tell us how well we are off. No perks, no extras, just the SINGLE AGED PENSION FOR A MONTH. An out of touch politician, wet behind the ears and too young to know what it is like to struggle to live. Morrisson's biggest mistake.
    robmur
    18th Jul 2019
    3:06pm
    I Ruston following the party line, or is she just plain dumb. The PM should give her a good talking to, or better still remove her from her ministerial position replacing her with someone with an ounce of knowledge of the plight of aged pensioners. Ruston will live to regret such a stupid comment. Come down from your ivory tower Senator Ruston and live on the aged pension for a month. Then come back and tell us how well we are off. No perks, no extras, just the SINGLE AGED PENSION FOR A MONTH. An out of touch politician, wet behind the ears and too young to know what it is like to struggle to live. Morrisson's biggest mistake.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:33pm
    Ruston is right and good to see someone is prepared to tell the truth.
    Lou
    18th Jul 2019
    3:07pm
    Government has a surplus that it is planning on keeping. Government is not a business. Surplus should be being put back into the community - that is where the surplus came from in the first place. OAP in Australia is not, unlike some other countries, a fund that has been created as part of a tax system. The fact that it has not been properly funded and backed is an historical error made by the Australian Government. The Government of Australia, all parties, has chosen to continue in this manner and expects all Australians to fund their own retirement. Sadly not all superannuation schemes licenced by the Government have proven to be successful, some losing money for their clients not gaining it. The system is broken. No person on an aged pension is there by choice.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:12pm
    Government needs to use that surplus to pay back all the accumulated debt.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:12pm
    Many are on the OAP by choice too.
    Dancer
    18th Jul 2019
    3:45pm
    Yes, government is not a business, and any surplus needs to be reinvested in the business and people who helped to create it - ie taxpayers- - not socked away by the government of the day just so they can boast they "had a surplus". sure, pay some of it to reduce debt, but have the decency and courage to fund essential services like pensions, health care, dental care, education etc.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:51pm
    Debt means that far too much interest is being paid instead of benefits.
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:40pm
    "Government needs to use that surplus to pay back all the accumulated debt"
    Well why have they doubled the deficit since they've been in power LiveItUp, and why did they just give a huge tax break to our most wealthy who don't need it. Where are they going to get the money for the debt - cutting service for health, education and social services no doubt.
    Dancer
    18th Jul 2019
    3:22pm
    "Dear Minister, please come and live with me solely on he Age Pension for a few months and then see how you manage - no extras from deeming rates cuts, no superannuation, no savings to draw on. And make sure you continue to pay all your bills - energy, water, council rates, car rego, and insurance, household insurance, house repairs and maintenance, private health insurance - plus food and clothing... you may be able to afford a lunch out once/month if you are very careful. Yours, Age Pensioner."

    I intend to write an actual letter to the Minister, challenging her on this, and I urge anyone else so inclined and who is offended by her remarks and is struggling to cope, to do the same.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:24pm
    I'll come and live with you and show you why the OAP is so generous.
    Dancer
    18th Jul 2019
    3:41pm
    I'd like to see that!
    johnp
    18th Jul 2019
    4:25pm
    Me too !!
    Foxy
    18th Jul 2019
    8:10pm
    LiveItUp probably thinks baked beans are a "luxury" - maybe that's why he/she thinks the OAP is "generous"! lol

    Live in a tent someplace - camp stove and baked beans Mon. to Fri. and "dumpster dive" at midnight outside ya' local Woolies for Sat/Sun. "delights"! Yeah that's it!! Simple! :-)
    johnp
    21st Jul 2019
    11:42am
    Euthanasia is looking attractive !!
    Jezemeg8
    18th Jul 2019
    3:33pm
    I paid a percentage of my taxes all my working life so that I would get a livable aged pension Anne Ruston, as did all other aged pensioners. Yet Mr Turnbull discovered those funds set aside for our pensions, declared they were no longer needed and stole those funds from us. Now apparently, you think that the taxpayer generosity is why we get our aged pension. I was deemed 'too disabled to be safely employed' in the very year that Universal Superannuation covered the industry in which I worked. My golden handshake after years of working 18 hour days 7 days a week was $1,000. Yet I was somewhat comforted by the fact that there was an aged pension for me, but that hasn't seen any rise for those without investments etc for years. For how long will you work Ms Ruston before you decide to retire on your very large, taxpayer funded politician's pension?????
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:35pm
    OAP pension has nothing to do with whether you worked or not. It is simply welfare paid to those who have no other means of support.
    Pushkin2
    18th Jul 2019
    3:43pm
    Clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle black, me lud!
    Pushkin2
    18th Jul 2019
    3:43pm
    Clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle black, me lud!
    Onemore
    18th Jul 2019
    3:44pm
    What was the name of the other minister who also made similar comments?
    And they wonder the voters loathe them.
    I did manage to get her contact details and send her correspondence how disgusted I am with her comments.
    Come on folks, send her your thoughts rather then just leaving them on this site, as good as it is, go the source.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    3:47pm
    Yes I'll send her a letter and say how grateful I am that someone has been game enough to tell the truth.
    stevo
    18th Jul 2019
    3:55pm
    It amazes me that our Prime Minister Scott Morrison is letting this quite inept person Anne Ruston run the Social Services Dept. as its quite obvious to most if not all of the proceeding comments about her 'Age Pension is Generous' is that far out of touch; shows she has know idea what us 'Full Pensioners' have to endure. The cost of us 'ACTUALLY LIVING' has fallen behind as we have been ignored with no increase in the ''Base Pension Rate' since I believe 2008. Yes we get two increases a year but that DOESN'T; I repeat DOESN'T cover the increases in our utility bills plus food etc. Those who have to rent are even worse off and often go without food and medical attention as a result and yes SOME DIE as a result. Scott you said you would treat ALL AUSTRALIANS with respect and equally. Well lets see you do so; firstly getting Anne Ruston to live in the real world and give us Full Pensioners the right to live our final years in comfort, not scrapping for our every last dollar.
    maelcolium
    18th Jul 2019
    3:59pm
    I think the point the Minister has completely missed is that the RBA lowered the cash rate which was duly passed onto those with mortgages, who also gained recent tax cuts, so all pensioners are asking is that the playing field be made level.

    It would seem that apart from missing the point, she also has an ideological view that people in receipt of Government payments be grateful for what they get and keep quiet. This is clearly an unsatisfactory attitude for any person in public service. Governments serve the people and if politicians don't "get" that then they should find other things to do with their lives.

    The rub is that in Australia, Ministers are not chosen because of their suitability to perform their function, but on their party affiliations. This is why New Zealand made sweeping changes to their electoral laws in order to provide people with representatives who are qualified to carry out their functions, and also understand they act as servants of the public. Australian Government is in need of a compete overhaul to get rid of this two party system. Until then, these parasites will continue to occupy these positions, exerting their will over the rest of us which is not how a democracy functions.
    saintagnes
    18th Jul 2019
    4:06pm
    I have paid taxes all my working life
    No-one funds my pension - I have already contributed my share
    What an insulting and demeaning comment from someone who has no idea about life on the pension
    LiveItUp
    18th Jul 2019
    4:12pm
    Today's taxpayer funds your welfare OAP and it has nothing to do with what you contributed at all.
    floss
    18th Jul 2019
    4:19pm
    YOU BUNCH OF FOOLS VOTED THE LNP.BACK IN NOW WEAR IT.
    roy
    18th Jul 2019
    5:13pm
    Yes floss, if shifty was our "president" we would be living in land flowing with milk and honey.
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:41pm
    Wellk roy, at least we'd be able to go to the dentist and get out teeth fixed if Labor was in power and those on Newstart might fair a bit better too.
    roy
    19th Jul 2019
    4:03pm
    libsarellars, don't you believe it, Shifty is all mouth and trousers and bouncy boobs too, have you seen him jogging, sheesh.
    Joy
    18th Jul 2019
    4:24pm
    How dare she ,she's sitting on taxpayer subsidised super, and pensioners of today payed their tax and supported pensioners that came before them without a second though. I sugest we remember her name and hopefully lose her her seat in parliment at next election. Some just think they are entitled to what we common people are not.come on Scot put her in her place.
    David
    18th Jul 2019
    4:41pm
    Typical of the tripe emanating out from the Canberra bubble. I wholeheartedly agree that the age pension is inadequate. Yes, recipients have paid their fare share of taxes throughout their working lives & should not have to scrape by & do without the necessities just to live. Being a sfr myself I have also contributed my fare share of taxes yet receive nothing & I know there are some who will say “so what”. I have always supported the concept of a universal age pension that is not subject to a means test & no I am not ‘wealthy’ as such. I am tired of politicians spewing forth rubbish that us ‘oldies’ are a drain on the public purse. Perhaps some of these politicians need to take look in the long look in mirror & perhaps engage their brains before opening their mouths & insulting us older voters who have worked for decades!
    Bill
    18th Jul 2019
    4:46pm
    Hey Minister did not the seniors of today pay taxes all there working lives to pay the senior citizens of the day. It is a responsibility we all have to bear during our working lives. Suggest you live on the pension for a month or two and then you might be able to make an informed comment.
    Alexii
    18th Jul 2019
    5:05pm
    Dear Social Services Minister Anne Ruston,
    I was not only astounded on reading the reports of your describing the age pension as "generous" and that pensioners should be grateful for it but moreover I was absolutely disgusted that a person in your position should have such an appalling attitude.
    You need to remember that the age pension is not "largesse". It is something that people have earned and it is their right to receive it. You need to think of the original idea of the age pension.
    Of course you, on your far too high salary and with the prospect of your more than generous pension and probably other lurks and perks when you leave politics, would have no idea. i would think ,about people living on low incomes. i suppose the next thing you'll be saying is that pensions should be reduced and low income workers should be paid less as well.
    I trust that at some time in the future you get into financial difficulties so that you come to understand a harder life style.
    The sooner you are voted out from the senate, the better I consider as Australia can well do without people such as you in any position of influence.
    Of course if the media reports are "fake news" and that you can honestly tell me you said nothing like it, I'd then happily retract everything I have written.
    Alex Mortensen
    Alexii
    18th Jul 2019
    5:55pm
    BTW, the above is the email I sent to the privileged senator.
    Alexii
    18th Jul 2019
    6:10pm
    either BTW:
    Don't just complain tin this site but get to it and send an email to the minister. PLEASE>
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    1:18pm
    Great letter Alexii.
    Onemore
    19th Jul 2019
    4:00pm
    Great letter, very similar to the letter I sent to her.
    roy
    19th Jul 2019
    8:24pm
    And me.
    SKRAPI
    18th Jul 2019
    5:19pm
    YES WE ALREADY PAID IN OVER THE YEARS 4 OUR PENSION MADAM SO TAX PAYERS " AREN'T " PUTTING IN 4 PENSIONERS AS U CALL IT MADAM THEY R PUTTING IN 4 THEIR FUTURE PENSION ....
    emjay
    18th Jul 2019
    5:26pm
    I will never understand why a senator, elected to the upper house (supposedly house of revue) can become a minister. Are ministers not the people who shape legislation which should then be reviewed?
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    11:02am
    this is an idea worth debating.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    2:56pm
    Really good question. Could be a real conflict of interest issue. Senators shouldn't be ministers. Really odd stuff going on in the Parliament these days. Even foreign politicians and others who should never have been elected in the first place. Not surprising it's a mess.
    SKRAPI
    18th Jul 2019
    5:32pm
    4 THOSE WHO THINK THE O A P IS GENEROUS IT;S OUR RIGHT MENZIES DECREED YEARS AGO IF WORKERS PAID A % of their pay in every-one would get a pension but successive governments couldn't keep their sticky fingers off it accountants would tell U with wise investments it would B worth billions 2 day . that amount taken was supposed 2 b kept in a separate fund so don;t tell me the pension is generous ...
    Aussie
    18th Jul 2019
    5:51pm
    Do not complain you vote for them ....so now just put up with your decision ..... As I say many many times and have been shut up by many of you .... Labour may not be the greatest but at least they work for us one way or another ..... So here we are again with stupid and totally insulting comments by the minister ..... well nothing less to expect from the ignorant and incompetent people ......
    panos
    18th Jul 2019
    5:55pm
    You oldies voted them back in, it's a damn shame,, Maybe SCOMO can say a prayer for you and it will be allright.......

    I hope I can work till 70 plus and have 10 years on the pension and call it quits. Soylent Green style..Nursing home No thanks
    Foxy
    18th Jul 2019
    8:13pm
    Ahhhhh ............. a "Soylent Green" advocate - just like me! Cheers ..... :-)
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:43pm
    I didn't vote for them panos, just some gullible fools.
    panos
    18th Jul 2019
    5:57pm
    Oh another worthy note from the liberals your all on WELFARE, be glad for the potatoes and dont ask for more you wont get it.....
    mancub1967
    18th Jul 2019
    6:17pm
    Senator Ruston is a disgrace, she should know all there is to know about the age Pension, there is no excuse for her remarks, its typical of the arrogance shown by this government the last six years, if the Senator is not up to the Job then get some one who is, I would be inclined not to forgive as she has shown before her arrogance towards the ordinary Australian.
    mancub1967
    18th Jul 2019
    6:17pm
    Senator Ruston is a disgrace, she should know all there is to know about the age Pension, there is no excuse for her remarks, its typical of the arrogance shown by this government the last six years, if the Senator is not up to the Job then get some one who is, I would be inclined not to forgive as she has shown before her arrogance towards the ordinary Australian.
    Lizzie
    18th Jul 2019
    6:50pm
    Typical Liberal comment from someone who has probably never had to struggle as today's pensioners did in the past. They are the ones responsible for helping build this great country's future; many had physical jobs (no computers in comfy offices); and many started work early in life and worked until they retired. They deserve more than this government, and others before them, is willing to give. Shame on this minister for such comments, especially when she can look forward to a very generous pension when she retires. Perhaps she would be willing to swap pensions with someone who is on what she calls a "generous" pension, if she thinks it is so generous.
    Heart of the Sunrise
    18th Jul 2019
    7:10pm
    Anne Ruston is just another in the long line of wealthy LNP pollies who are so out of touch with the ordinary person, they have no clue.
    Her disgraceful comments are deeply offensive to pensioners who are struggling to make ends meet.
    There seems to be a deep seated hatred of the poor in the LNP that is quite disturbing.
    hyacinth
    18th Jul 2019
    7:23pm
    I think it is time that grey power came into being again. What disgusting comments from someone who has yet to put in the many working hours that we pensioners have put in and paid our taxes. Having worked for 52 and a half years I have little to show those years. The problems with superannuation, global financial crashes and deeming rates have all but paid to the little nest egg that I should have had. Well she has blown it for her party as far as I am concerned. It is about time that we all got together and made a loud noise about all the golden handshakes that politicians receive and that now should come to an end. I was disgusted to read that ex prime ministers are claiming for damages to their vehicles (query ???are they their vehicles or taxpayers vehicles???)As you can tell I am feeling extremely irate over her comments. I put out an invitation for her to come and live off my pension for a month,
    hyacinth
    18th Jul 2019
    7:23pm
    I think it is time that grey power came into being again. What disgusting comments from someone who has yet to put in the many working hours that we pensioners have put in and paid our taxes. Having worked for 52 and a half years I have little to show those years. The problems with superannuation, global financial crashes and deeming rates have all but paid to the little nest egg that I should have had. Well she has blown it for her party as far as I am concerned. It is about time that we all got together and made a loud noise about all the golden handshakes that politicians receive and that now should come to an end. I was disgusted to read that ex prime ministers are claiming for damages to their vehicles (query ???are they their vehicles or taxpayers vehicles???)As you can tell I am feeling extremely irate over her comments. I put out an invitation for her to come and live off my pension for a month,
    Tricky
    18th Jul 2019
    8:19pm
    WTF fix the Deeming Rates on Term Deposits.
    This an outrage,
    This LNP government should hang there head in shame!
    Absolute hypocrites!
    Cruiser
    18th Jul 2019
    9:56pm
    For all those who voted Lib and believed the franked credit BS you reap what you sow...enjoy, too predictable, sorry..
    Irishwolfhound
    18th Jul 2019
    11:06pm
    If Malcolm Fraser had not STOLEN the money that was put into the " Age PensionFund " by the workers, way back in the 70's we would not be in this mess now! The plan was simple, we paid into a Government pension fund, which would be given back as the age pension when we retired. He STOLE this money and put it into the "General Revenue" and probably spent it on a raise for the Parliamentarians ! It was never seen or heard of again!
    johnp
    20th Jul 2019
    12:23pm
    Agree 100% Irish !!
    TREBOR
    18th Jul 2019
    11:19pm
    WELL! I need not even comment here.... what a change...
    Sea Dog
    19th Jul 2019
    12:35am
    I dont believe senate members should hold ministerial office. either party . Look at the arrogant bunch, to name a few rushton, ley, gorman, wong.
    We dont elect them as individuals who are accountable to their electorates. They dont answer to the party bosses, they are the party bosses
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    10:55am
    that is an idea worth exploring Sea Dog
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    7:54am
    Politicians salaries and benefits including extra tens of thousands for incidentals is more than generous. It's outrageous.

    Put the salaries back on par with a graduate max teacher where they used to be not that long ago. It's not like the government is actually making Australia better, building anything much or helping anyone other than foreign corporations.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    11:30am
    Reforming MP remuneration is long overdue. The idea that ex-MPs might struggle for jobs if not re-elected is obsolete in the gig economy with its fixed period contracts. There should be transparency over salaries, super, benefits etc and it would be much easier if aligned to the standards that apply to those in the regular work force.

    I suspect a salary more comparable to other OECD MPs would do little to change those running for office. I would like to see a referendum on how much we think a fair pay is for the GG, PM and MPs that reflects our position in the world. Does the PM need to be the second highest paid government leader in the OECD? Double the Canadian PM, really?
    libsareliars
    19th Jul 2019
    12:44pm
    Spot on Farside.
    roy
    19th Jul 2019
    4:07pm
    Google Jackie Trad Queensland ALP, another champagne socialist, head in trough, bought a house, didn't declare it it will at least double in value when new cross river route goes through. Absolute filth, labor 99 f them.
    Rae
    19th Jul 2019
    5:03pm
    Yes roy all as bad as each other. All in it for the money. We need the parties gone and preferential voting gone and just one representative for each area having to work together. At least half their incomes as well so they are there for the glory and not the riches.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    8:11pm
    roy, if you are confident your allegations are anything but BS then refer it to the CCC and let us know the outcome. Here is the link http://www.ccc.qld.gov.au/corruption/online-complaint-form/wizard_form
    roy
    19th Jul 2019
    8:19pm
    Farside. It's just come through that the ALP champagne socialist is selling the "controversial" property, therefore no need for me to do your wishes.
    Are you happy now comrade?

    Any news on Shifty's used car dealership or where he got his alleged $61 mill fortune?
    roy
    19th Jul 2019
    8:21pm
    99% of ALP mp's give the rest of them a bad name!
    roy
    19th Jul 2019
    8:32pm
    Farside, google Courier Mail, the news has just come through10 minutes ago. So not BS after all, I'll accept your apology comrade.
    Apparently her husband bought it without her knowledge, dear oh dear, she must think we are really dumb. After all it was only in the region of $650,000. We would all know whether our spouse had spent that sort of money wouldn't we?
    She know we are really dumb because millions of people vote for the ALP, shakes head.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2019
    11:30pm
    roy, comrade - really, how so? You were the one alleging something dodgy. Feel free to go after Shorten if he is also in your sights, or indeed any other MP, civil servant or anybody else in a trusted position.

    And to your question "We would all know whether our spouse had spent that sort of money wouldn't we?", well no, I would not know as she has her own accounts and investments.
    Onemore
    19th Jul 2019
    11:15am
    Maybe, just maybe she (it) is demonstrating to her boss how ruthless she can be, and is deserving of a far bettered portfolio, rather than having to deal with old people.
    johnp
    21st Jul 2019
    8:06am
    You got it one, exactly right Onemore
    geordie
    19th Jul 2019
    4:19pm
    Let them eat cake.
    retvilldotnet
    21st Jul 2019
    7:29am
    To Anne Ruston MP. I am sorry. Sorry that I wasn't as aspirational as I should have been. Sorry that I am finishing my life journey as an aged pensioner. Sorry that I am not worthy of your respect. I am sorry
    mitch1945
    21st Jul 2019
    11:19am
    She confirms my thoughts that appointing people to meet a female quota is ridiculous. Appointments should be only made on merit - obviously Ms Rushton has proved to have no merit. Totally idiotic comment by her. I am making these comments ignoring party politics but would have thought ScoMo might have improved her sick views of the aged.
    Bulla
    21st Jul 2019
    12:59pm
    could she the money educate the public what money she gats as salary and benefits, plus super and entitlements including pensions. Where can I find all that information and why it is kept hidden from public?
    Farside
    21st Jul 2019
    5:32pm
    it's a fair point, the individual remuneration components are easily found but not as easy as it should be to find the total costs for each MP. Write your MP??
    Bulla
    21st Jul 2019
    12:59pm
    could she the money educate the public what money she gats as salary and benefits, plus super and entitlements including pensions. Where can I find all that information and why it is kept hidden from public?
    heemskerk2019
    21st Jul 2019
    7:04pm
    to all your wincers, start living, I order a home delivery of a restaurant in my area, usual on a saturday, too crowded in the pub or r.s.l, at a cost of give or take $ 20.00 delivered and on the sunday I go to the pub or r.s.l for a meal, seniors, I am in my eighties, cost: meal $16.00, drinks $ 10.00, Taxi to and from plus and minus $20.00, total less then $ 50.00, take in savings of gas or electric for cooking your own meal, say $ 20.00, the cost is less then $30.00, just try it and start living instead of moaning, after all life is too short to prejudge other people's meaning of how they like to live their lives.
    OzNomad
    21st Jul 2019
    6:05pm
    Her remarks are distasteful, ill considered, insulting and offensive. This lass has no idea of the history of the OAP and dare I say our history since settlement and our constitution. The OAP is not welfare, we are not taking anything that we are not entitled to, which government stole. Government is not being generous except with their own salaries and pensions. With such poor judgement in how she has approached this she should not be a minister of anything. I for one want an apology and her removed from the position of social services minister. Point this ill informed minister to this reference for her education.
    http://www.upinsmokesignal.com/history-of-the-aged-pension-in-australia.php
    OzNomad
    21st Jul 2019
    6:23pm
    Everyone should send their views on this to the PM. I have although I do not expect a response. Also send to your state senators and electorate MP.
    .
    https://www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm?
    heemskerk2019
    21st Jul 2019
    8:04pm
    maybe it has not got through to you but labor lost the elections simple for their attitude to the pensioners, to refuse their legal entitlements of paid tax returns or to refuse, as used by all other bussinesses, lawful expences, then it is not hard to understand why labor lost their "unlosable election" yet you now complain because someone uttered some words about pensioners doing allright, well I am one of those who can't complain and is happy to receive the pension, why bite the hand that feeds you
    johnp
    22nd Jul 2019
    12:10pm
    Trouble is heemsk the hand that feeds everyone gives such as this
    re-used, cold meals in 'race to the bottom',
    residents wasting away because they're not given enough food
    etc etc
    see here
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-16/aged-care-royal-commission-hears-from-maggie-beer/11313810?fbclid=IwAR0HaYdna9zXh0AjeY52EjVjfoG0eUuXe-XUeNPM4woRtsr2FwWEu7MJyvo

    Whereas the hand that feeds themselves (politicians) gives such as this
    POLITICIANS’ DAILY TRAVEL ALLOWANCE MORE THAN WEEKLY WELFARE
    at the opposite extreme end of the spectrum see here
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/politicians-daily-travel-allowance-more-than-weekly-welfare-payment

    21st Jul 2019
    8:34pm
    I get the full aged pension with supplements, I RENT and I can still save $7000 or more a year from the payment.
    Farside
    21st Jul 2019
    9:24pm
    congratulations PIXAPD, your story is certainly different to most we hear about. It would make an interesting subject for an article .... Kaye, YLC are you listening???
    Pass the Ductape
    22nd Jul 2019
    1:04pm
    So you just don't go anywhere or do anything huh?
    Anonymous
    22nd Jul 2019
    1:09pm
    Rent costs me nothing, one of the boons of getting the pension

    23rd Jul 2019
    8:59am
    Aged Pension is good, and free, I get $1063 fortnight payment and am thankful, and it goes up every year too; I have no complaints at all, I save up to $7000 a year. Costs me nothing for anything, rent, living, etc etc it's all FREE.

    But others here haven't got the capacity to reason that out. ALL you read in these forums is complaining.
    Bulla
    23rd Jul 2019
    9:45am
    are you a current or vanished politician? present full facts or vanish and go back to from where you came
    Bulla
    23rd Jul 2019
    9:45am
    are you a current or vanished politician? present full facts or vanish and go back to from where you came
    Anonymous
    23rd Jul 2019
    6:41pm
    Bulla, What an INANE comment you made, it gives much mirth
    Bulla
    23rd Jul 2019
    7:12pm
    why are you bullshitting instead of coming out with facts? Must have lived on stolen money and still living same way. An honest person would have stated the facts instead of dodging the query
    Bulla
    23rd Jul 2019
    7:12pm
    why are you bullshitting instead of coming out with facts? Must have lived on stolen money and still living same way. An honest person would have stated the facts instead of dodging the query
    Adrianus
    25th Jul 2019
    8:00am
    So many posters complaining about Politicians remuneration? What's the correlation with the OAP? Would you have their pay rates that low that we have ning nongs in the job like the situation in the UK?
    bartpcb
    26th Jul 2019
    12:33pm
    Ms Ruston is a full blown yuppie idiot!!! I can only put her ridiculous comments down to an absolute, and probably deliberate, ignorance of the history of 'Aged pensions'. With that level of callous stupidity she needs removing from office until she's mature enough to know what she's talking about.


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