Former MPs’ allowances battle

Former federal MPs have launched a bid to have their allowances increased.

Former MPs’ allowances battle

Four former lower house MPs have launched a bid in the High Court to have their allowances indexed to the salaries of current MPs (about $195,000), rather than at pre-2011 levels (about $154,000). Labor's Barry Cunningham, Tony Lamb and Barry Cohen and Liberal John Moore also demand in their writ of summons that unlimited domestic flights be reinstated in their retirement packages.

The challenge is to changes made by the then Gillard Government in 2011, which they claim have substantially reduced their allowances. The four former MPs currently receive between $81,000 and $115,000 per year, plus bonus allowances that depend on the roles they held in Parliament.

As reported by Fairfax media, which has seen the court documents, the former MPs are pursuing the same argument as that used by the Kerrigan family in the movie, The Castle. Section 51 allows the Commonwealth to acquire property on “just terms”, with the four claiming that the move represents an unlawful acquisition of their ‘property’ by the Commonwealth.

Changes to the Life Gold Pass are also under fire from the four men. Prior to changes in 2002, retired MPs could take unlimited domestic flights at the taxpayers’ expense. The changes in 2002 limited flights to 25 per year and further changes in 2012 imposed a limit of 10 per year. MPs who retired after 2012 receive no flight allowance.

Fairfax also reports that the men sought financial assistance from the Commonwealth to help progress their claim, but this was disallowed.

Read more at The Age

Opinion: Pull your heads in!
Seriously, how out of touch with reality are these four retired men, who believe that they are entitled to earn more doing nothing, when many of the people they served are struggling to get by on the mere pittance of an Age Pension? It’s simply flabbergasting that they can’t read the political and social landscape sufficiently to realise that MPs’ allowances are a bone of contention for most Australians.

To have the audacity to claim that their ‘property has been unlawfully acquired’ as a result of governments’ trying to redress the balance of over-generous retirement allowances suggests that they’re living on another planet. And don’t get me started on the fact that they tried to claim financial assistance from the very organisation, the Commonwealth, that they are trying to sue! I mean really, pull your heads in.

As yet more instances emerge of MPs claiming travel expenses for their families, or making excessive claims because they believe they are justifiable, news reports such as this only serve to highlight how rorted the whole MP remuneration and allowance system is.

With 41 per cent of retired Australians over the age of 65 relying on a full Age Pension of $22,365 a year, these men should be thankful for what they have, rather than trying to make a grab for cash and perks that they simply cannot need.

If this doesn’t serve to convince the powers that be that a change is needed in our parliamentary remuneration and allowance system, then nothing will.

Do you think MPs should get the generous pensions they do? Are these four former MPs right to fight for what they believe to be their entitlements? 





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    Rob
    10th Aug 2015
    9:56am
    This article just does not need any comment. The approach by the ex-politicans is just so wrong on a number of levels.
    tiger
    10th Aug 2015
    10:09am
    Age of entitlement is over but not for Politicians. Joe hockey will regret that was ever said. Well the worms are coming out of the woodwork thick and fast now. treat re-tired Polies the same as the common man and put them on pension. The next election needs to be now not in 1 years time.
    Dotty
    10th Aug 2015
    1:39pm
    I agree totally about the worms coming out of the woodwork!
    They are never satisfied with their swag of goodies that are allowed for each and every Pollie that retires on a fortune that the normal taxed person pays for !
    And they still want more !!! Amazing that they Counrty is going down the shute !
    And then they complain when we as aged Pensioner's want a tad extra and are lucky to get 5 quid !
    Dotty
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    1:46pm
    I think we should start up a Collection for Hard Up Retired Politicians !!
    They are out Begging ! :-(
    Next thing they will be busking in the streets in Rags !! :-(
    Cant wait to see one Playing the Banjo !!:-(
    moke
    10th Aug 2015
    4:21pm
    Out of the political arena then get a job until you reach the pension age just like everyone else and do as other unemployed have to do the get unemployment benefits. Just a big bunch of bludgers they make the average working person see red.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2015
    5:10pm
    Rob, this is the article that NEEDS as many comments it can get so as to show others how fed up the general public is with these fat pig politicians stuffing their gluttonous, greedy snouts full of taxpayers' dollars EVEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYED. To provide no comment at all just shows apathy and passive acceptance of their unethical, selfish demands. They are OWED NOTHING and should not be getting ANYTHING other than what they contributed whilst employed plus a MODEST government super contribution.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    8:57pm
    Polly little Piggy went to Market :-)
    Pension little Piggy stayed Home :-(
    Polly little Piggy had Roast Beef :-)
    Pension little Piggy had None :-(
    Polly little Piggy went Wee Wee Wee Wee all the way to the Heliport !! :-) :-)
    MICK
    11th Aug 2015
    9:02am
    I agree Rob. Politicians are for the most part an utter disgrace. As they say nothing corrupts like absolute power.
    Dancer
    10th Aug 2015
    10:05am
    The money grab by these ex-politicians is just obscene! It's bad enough that they get these more-than-generous allowances whilst they are actually working as politicians, but to expect them after they are retired just beggars belief! As for them saying it's OK to take their children on holiday at the tax-payers' expense because with their jobs they don't get to see their children much - well join the real world guys. What about those who work in the forces and are posted overseas for months at a time? And business people who travel interstate/overseas for their work? And those in the emergency services and care industries who work night shifts and sleep during they day, thus missing out on family time? And of course all people who work full time and have children need to juggle their work/family time - we did it, thousands still do it by necessity - let the pollies do it also, and pay for their children and spouses to join them on holiday the same as the rest of us.
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    10:06am
    Now we are seeing what all are politicions are really in for. One was only in it for 6years and on 85k for life and wants more.
    Gra
    10th Aug 2015
    11:53am
    These fools just don't get it do they. The Australian taxpayer has had enough of self indulgent MP's - whether sitting or retired, enough is enough. As it is, the retirement package that MP's get is far too generous. All the while these greedy excuses for human beings are snuffling at the trough seeing how much more swill they can swallow.
    disillusioned
    10th Aug 2015
    10:08am
    These ex MPs are both greedy and stupid! They should be lying in the grass keeping their heads well and truly down regarding entitlements at this time. Unbelievable.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    10:57am
    Oh ! Dear !! Here comes the Ride on Lawnmower ! :-( ( Australian People )
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    10:14am
    Please Sir I want More ! :-(
    "MORE !!" "No one has ever asked for More ?" "Except Australian Politicians !" :-( OMG !
    OINK ! OINK !!
    Barbara Mathieson
    10th Aug 2015
    10:30am
    Disgraceful attitude by some MPs. They should try living on my pension for a while.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    10:36am
    Tell them to tighten their Belt and turn the Heater OFF Like us !!
    We live within our Means ! :-)
    They are Mean throughout their Lives !
    Parti... :-)
    Gra
    10th Aug 2015
    2:40pm
    They wouldn't know how Parti, they would have to get someone to do it for them the lazy bastards.
    Tassie
    10th Aug 2015
    10:32am
    They need to " get with the program" who on earth do they think they are? what on earth do they need travel expenses if they are retired..no one else gets it when they retire..and to think they used to enjoy the hold passes-unreal...don't they ever think that as a country they are robbing it...after all we all have to pay into our retirement re: superannuation.. with NO travel expenses...I think it is likened to ROBBERY..no wonder there are shortfalls in money on every level in this country..it is not an entitlement. If you get a golden handshake in any other job..it's just that..a privilege...sooo glad BBishop is out..what a rort-and she still thinks it was her right....???......I'm just watching Tony Smith be sworn in...here's hoping the word "biased" is not a word in his vocabulary...BBishop got away with this all the time..:-) xxxx
    tia-maria
    10th Aug 2015
    1:36pm
    Tassie he was escorted in (just like Bishop was) its a bloody joke to say the least mate......as far as Bishop getting away with this???? Just maybe we need to speak out loud with heaps of PEOPLE POWER supporting for her to serve time in Jail for fraud.
    particolor
    11th Aug 2015
    8:06am
    That wont happen The Prisoners are already Traumatized with Cigarette Withdrawal. Without Chucking a Spook in there to add to it ! :-( They will jump the Prison Walls and Desert in Droves !! :-( :-(
    Tassie
    10th Aug 2015
    10:33am
    That would be THE GOLD pass ooops..sorry
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    10:40am
    Its started already ! :-( The Member for Tassie will leave the Chamber ! :-)
    PlanB
    10th Aug 2015
    10:43am
    Fair enough if they get a god wage BUT the lurks they get on retirement are WAY OVER THE TOP, Wonder how they would get on living on the Pension for 12 months
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    10:51am
    They would Resign at 12 Minutes ! :-(
    Gra
    10th Aug 2015
    12:31pm
    Not sure if it was a typo or not PlanB but these fools seem to think they are GOD and entitled to pensions that are out of this world. They may have been members of parliament but that should not entitle them to a lifetime of living a life of luxury at the taxpayers expense. For a person who has done not much more than polish a plush leather seat for a few years to get a pension that is twice what even the average worker gets for doing something productive is ridiculous.
    tia-maria
    10th Aug 2015
    10:44am
    OK PM Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey............hope your reading the comments that are starting to come in thick and fast............Age of Entitlement is over and coming to head................ from all the taxpayers of Australia......... we will try and stop you being so greedy......... AS you guys been ripping us off big times for years..........
    As we all know you certainly don't deserve anything after you retired......as you earn enough from us just by helping yourselves.........( all you bloody do is BITCH AND FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER........) enough is enough their going to be no more ........PEOPLE POWER......and we will take a stand ...........and make sure we will start having the last say..........
    You commit fraud ...........you do the time............I had a very good read up about Pauline Hanson who with another party member went to jail for fraud.....and Yes PM Abbott you were the main person behind that shame on you...and you been protecting Aunty Bronny its time she be given the same one would think................Retired on the same pension as the rest of us...........MR HOCKEY stop telling me you don't have any money?? that's a dam joke..........as you have plenty for yourselves???????
    tiger
    10th Aug 2015
    10:54am
    All polies from all parties will be on notice from now on the voters of this country have caught you all out big time hang your heads in shame this will surely vote them out at the next election
    PlanB
    10th Aug 2015
    10:54am
    YEs Abbott and Howard should be ashamed of what they did to Pauline -- she was innocent!

    Also Julie Bishop is another hard bitch was the Solicitor for Hardies
    (Ms Asbestos) who asked why people with Asbestosis needed to jump the queues just because they were dying!
    tia-maria
    10th Aug 2015
    11:30am
    We are need to stand as one....ITS CALLED PEOPLE POWER.....AND TIME WE PUT OUR POLITICIANS IN THEIR PLACE........AND STOP RIPPING TAXPAYERS OFF FULL STOP.
    Bronwyn Bishop deserve the same punishment as Pauline did...........after all back when Pauline went to jail old Tony was all behind Pauline being sent to prison.......why should he want to change the rules now
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:41am
    He doesn't want to Terrify the Warders !
    tia-maria
    10th Aug 2015
    11:57am
    particolor that's funny
    Gra
    10th Aug 2015
    12:37pm
    But Pauline Hanson wasn't a member of the Liars - sorry, Liberal Party and at the time both parties were running scared of Pauline because she had so much support from Australians wanting to put a stop to the rot. Abbott and the Liars thought the safest thing to do was to try and discredit Ms Hanson.
    tia-maria
    10th Aug 2015
    1:32pm
    Gra Pauline Hanson was far too honest for the boys club, yes she had many supporters behind her.........Unfortunately our Politicians on both sides are not so honest and they knew she was a threat to them all...........Tony Abbott was and still is a disgrace......a cocky person and had no respect.........but to witch hunt Pauline Hanson so he set out to destroy this lady..........in saying that Bronwyn Bishop should received the same treatment and also jailed for her fraud.

    10th Aug 2015
    10:50am
    I notice three of them are labour politicians tell them to go back to the union there are unlimited funds there they can just pinch the money like Gillard did and they won"t need these allowances
    Hawkeye
    10th Aug 2015
    11:06am
    Robbo,
    How biased can you get, to just blatantly ignore the Liberal doing the same thing.

    They are all in on it. Fraudsters.
    Even if they are playing within the rules, this just means the rules are wrong.
    Old Fella
    10th Aug 2015
    12:36pm
    No doubt given the range of retirement payments quoted $81k-$115k , the top earner - a liberal- has even less justification to claim more. That is if any monetary value could be compared to or with the $22.3K quoted , paid to 41% of retirees. Four greedy "B's" being spoilt with a minimum of four times the retirement pension payable to other retired Australians. Lets rename the Country Politician , certainly Australia is not for Australians so why not rename the country for what it serves best- Greedy Politicians-.
    Gra
    10th Aug 2015
    12:39pm
    Good one robbo - totally ignore the Liberal party member in there with them. Guess you're just another Abbott sycophant who is totally blind to any wrongdoing by the coalition.
    tia-maria
    10th Aug 2015
    1:33pm
    robbo open up your eyes all bloody politicians as a guilty as sin......
    Troubadour
    10th Aug 2015
    10:52am
    Absolutely audacious!! Just who do they think they are. Their allowances are MORE than adequate, if we got half as much as them we could then afford to go on holidays (haven't had one of those for years!) and pay our own way! Asking also for travel entitlements is complete GREED.
    You are getting a good deal as it is - do like the rest of us and tighten your belts. =I bet they do not have to think hard about switching on the heating on these cold nights - we cannot have it on for more than an hour or so and not every day either, bet they are lounging around with central heating and the rest. Get real people.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:16am
    BRRR!! The hours up ! I just turned Mine off !! :-(
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    2:25pm
    Just heard where half the pensioners are not even turning the Heater on this Year !! :-(
    That should Boost Hospital Attendance ? :-(
    Misty
    10th Aug 2015
    5:12pm
    Yes Particolor my sister goes to bed for most of the day with her electric blanket on to keep warm as she cannot afford to put the gas on. This doesn't help her arthritic condition either.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    8:45pm
    I heard that on the Radio this Morning ! Ant it was 2 Degrees here and I noticed My Heater wasn't on Either ? :-) And it usually is for a half hour in the morning ! Must be rubbing off on all of us ? :-( Its CuR Cur COld !! AAAH CHOO !!
    Chuck
    10th Aug 2015
    10:55am
    What about retired PMs why do they need a chaufer, a car an office and domestic and overseas flights. Then there's this bogee review of politicians' entitlements to be conducted former politicians and former captains of industry . The whole things a sham.
    Greece here we come
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:36am
    Only if You pay your own way !!
    ANONYMOUS
    10th Aug 2015
    10:56am
    The age of Entitlement is over - coined the Politicians - and so it should be and doubly so for every dollar they earn or claim over the aged pension. They went into power to "serve" an honour like soldiers do ............ not to become more fabulously wealthy than they already are. Skype is an excellent way to conduct business = NO FLIGHTS needed. Pay for travel out of their own money ........... like everyone else does. NO FAMILY FLIGHTS unless they pay for them themselves (and no claims allowed). At the very least no one I know can combine a holiday with business. No one can claim costs to get a job either ............. you need to work in the job first. Really cut the Politicans Salaries to save the countries bottom line significantly. Pollies are spoilt brats. Christoper Pyne is ugly all the time ........... the first time I have ever seen him side with anyone (but himself) is to partner up with Labour .......... now they are all scared that the entitlements may go. TRANSPARANCEY, SIMPLICITY, NO ENTITLEMENTS, Job related expenses and Overtime. Good enough for everyday Australians, Good enough for Politicians - perhaps they could go casual (well they are really and there are no permanant jobs anymore anyway) and deny them super and everything else. Start today. Wind back the entire expense and pension racketeering for all past and present Pollies and give them the same as ordinary Australians on Pensions get - how much money can they actually need - when they all have their own businesses - their Wives do and all this stuff affects voters - why not Pollies too - means test their wages (no offshore accounts either or hiding it anywhere else) a full and updating statement of finances before they get any money to ensure there is no wroughting and the money they pay is deserved, meets standards, is transparent, based on successful outcomes etc... etc...reflects voters expectations and needs ............. is cost effective, conforms to or exceeds environment guidelines, provides for the future of Australia, does not sell off our assets, protects Australia and the Australian Lifestyle and jobs ............. They need to actually Do something to earn money!!! Create a future fund (available for public scrutiny - often and in minute detail) to benefit future generations too.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:12am
    Id like to see them in Centrelink claiming benefits ! :-)
    " Get out of here You Cheeky Sod ! You own half the State You live in !!" :-(
    Tom Tank
    10th Aug 2015
    11:05am
    It is pointless trying to score some political points in this debate as they are all ripping us off.
    The big question is will something actually be done this time?
    There expense claims are outrageous and so are there Superannuation entitlements.
    A basic fix would be to apply the ATO guidelines to expense claims, the rules governing pensions (particularly the age at which these can be accessed) to their Super re pension and their salary increases to be the same as basic wage increases.
    Apply limits to free transport to a maximum of two years after leaving Parliament.
    One fix that is urgently needed is the taxpayers funded flights prior to an election. As things stand they don't have to pay their own transport costs until writs are issued for the election and this can be months after the election date is announced and pollies are flying hither, thither and yon electioneering on behalf of the party at our expense.
    We must not them get away with it as they will try to push out doing anything until the heat is off them and then forget about it.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:21am
    WE Wont Forget !!..
    You've lost Your Seat ! SACKED ! Get down to Centrelink !! :-) :-)
    Gee Whiz
    10th Aug 2015
    11:21am
    What a joke. Tony Abbott has appointed ex politicians to investigate their mates caught up in the entitlements scandal.

    The committee is headed by Brendan Nelson a failed politician who was given a plum government job when he lost his seat. He is obliged to the government and will toe the line in finding nothing wrong with the entitlements programme.

    Oh sure there may be a small amount of fiddling around the edges but you can bet your last dollar the schedule will still be open to abuse by just changing the wording and definition of the word "entitlement".

    Corruption is endemic to the LNP, the ALP and The greens. Their right to rule mentality has seen this country stagnate to the tune of a third world dictatorship.

    These political parasites are so self obsessed with raiding the public purse they have brought the country come to a stand still.

    We now have massive unemployment brought about by government mismanagement of the manufacturing sector, the mining industry and and an incoming flood of overseas junk.

    We are seeing Banks foreclosing of fourth generation farmers then selling the property to oversees interests for a fraction of its worth. We are seeing our children and grand kids leaving school unable to write, spell or do simple arithmetic.

    We are seeing the government allowing undesirable immigrants into the country knowing they will refuse to accept the Australian way of life.

    The government has failed on all of these things and many, many more. But there is one one thing they work at tirelessly and that is how to spend more time at the "trough" and fill their pockets before retiring.

    Until the voting public learn to kick all politicians out of office after one term the corruption will continue and probably get worse.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:27am
    :-) :-) :-) They move the Finnish Line to ONE TERM !! :-) :-) :-)
    Stoker
    10th Aug 2015
    11:34am
    Gee Whiz - quick to point the single finger, sure should have got a Union Organiser in to conduct the review, oh dear, sorry forgot the ACTU was the opposition party. Mick might be right after all, get some independants.
    Remember a young senator from QLd, Nat, I think, did one term as a mid 30yr old and now on a fully indexed pens for life
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    11:59am
    Sure would parti. They currently have to serve two terms (I assume consecutively) to get the pension. You bet your bottom dollar that this would end up as one term which would make it worse.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    12:21pm
    That's what I meant ! They Will Move the Line to ONE TERM !! Cunning little Devils those Pollies. Where else can You get Full Fare for Half a Job ?
    Travellersjoy
    11th Aug 2015
    11:19am
    Its a bit rich putting the Greens in there - the only people NOT in the big ripoff, the only party made up of real people with real jobs.

    Not all pollies are unethical thieves, so at least give credit where it is due to honest people. Why would any decent person go into Parliament if they automatically are treated like Mrs Bishop who worked hard to earn her odium.
    PlanB
    10th Aug 2015
    11:24am
    Maybe we should ALL send such posts that are here to the Pollies, they have no idea as to how we all think
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:29am
    And Care Little to Boot !! :-(
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    11:28am
    Here we are. retired politicians asking for more for doing nothing and at the same time we are expecting workers to get less when they work on a Sunday.
    Old Fella
    10th Aug 2015
    12:39pm
    Well said Wstaton . Great observation
    mangomick
    10th Aug 2015
    1:50pm
    They don't like to say the worker will be "getting less"...rather...." not getting as much"....Sounds much better.
    Mork
    10th Aug 2015
    11:31am
    Politicians are always 'soft targets' when it comes to the perks of office. While I acknowledge the apparent 'glutinous' nature of politicians' tax free fringe benefits when compared to the miserable pension why don't we also have a look at the other end of the scale. It is worth remembering that politicians pay and conditions are a lot less generous than those with similar responsibilities. For example, those who are managing your super fund, bank, national or even multi-national enterprise or other roles in the corporate sector. On the one hand people complain about the quality of elected representatives and say they don't deserve these 'fringe benefits' while arguing that "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys." (Apologies to my fellow primates). I have no doubt this is what Prime Minister Tony Abbott has in mind when he says we need to look at what sort of benefits are provided to people in the business sector. These are people who have far higher salaries, far greater fringe benefits and far less public scrutiny. Perhaps they should be made to publicly disclose all of the 'allowances' that come with the privilege of running a large corporation as well.
    Gee Whiz
    10th Aug 2015
    11:46am
    That is drawing too long a bow to my way of thinking. The business people you refer too don't have access to taxpayer monies, or the privileges offered to politicians.

    The pollies work load is less strenuous and he has an army of bureaucrats that do most of the hard yards.

    Politicians are universally hated and that is because they have proven themselves to be, on so many levels nothing more than greedy Neanderthals.

    At least with a publicly listed business the shareholders have the right to attend an AGM and if its the feeling of the meeting they can sack the CEO.

    No such right exists when you elect a politician.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    12:00pm
    France had a good solution ! And it wasn't Tip Top !! :-(
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    12:01pm
    Sorry Mork, But our politicians are among the best paid in the world. Abbott get more than Obama.
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    12:03pm
    Also are you telling me that we currently have quality politicians.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    12:06pm
    QUALLITY ? Their Halo's are Blinding !! :-)
    Old Fella
    10th Aug 2015
    1:02pm
    Mork - would like to hear your comparisons on when is rape not rape and when is murder really only manslaughter.
    Even the highly paid individuals you refer to in your claims, loose their in house benefits once they loose their position. I doubt if the ex/last CEO of any multinational could still use the Corporate Jet or helicopter once dismissed from office. The majority of politicians are dismissed when not re-elected so why should travel allowances continue to be available from the Ex-employer.
    Yorkie
    10th Aug 2015
    3:07pm
    You can't defend the indefensible. Since when was it moral to use taxpayers money to pay for multiple Business Class flights for your family and other none work related expenses? It might be within the rules claiming these entitlements 'to balance their work and family responsibilities', but no other Employer would be so generous, and especially when they expect the rest of us to tighten our belts. This gravy train must be stopped.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:20pm
    No business in the world apart from Australia Incorporated pays a lifetime income to its short-term contracted employees once they are no longer required.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2015
    10:35pm
    and.....they don't have to take the job if it means they can't spend time with their families. And if they do they can spend the school holidays with the brats AT HOME, no need to fly them to exotic destinations business class. better still don't breed the bastards if you don't want to spend time with them!
    Travellersjoy
    11th Aug 2015
    11:25am
    It could be a case of getting monkeys regardless because we let parties put up drones and vote for them anyway.

    Public service requires a different skill set from industry. Too much money and we get gold diggers, too little and they become corruptible. Though plenty of corruption has gone on regardless of what we pay.

    There is no substitute for an informed and engaged population. That is why the LNP loves secrecy. It removes the possibility of accountability.
    Wstaton
    11th Aug 2015
    11:49am
    Yes Travellersjoy, Now they want to make the results of the finance department looking into travel claims secret. The statement from them is that they do not release anything about expense claims.

    Didn't appear to be so when they released Slippers claims.

    Who are these people are they being directed by the current government?

    That's interference.

    Very soon everything will be claimed as secret by this government (except where it benefits them) Then where will we be.

    Are the bureaucrats now in fear of losing their jobs if they do not comply.

    10th Aug 2015
    11:36am
    By the actions of these four gluttons one can certainly recognise they have many of the traits of most politicians past and current, like greed, overly-inflated false feelings of self importance, hypocrisy, being out of touch with reality, delusions of grandeur, egotism, and more front than Myer's. Pathetic example of toady taxpayer-paid public servants, and this is a VERY MILD assessment.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:39am
    Where's Frank and Mick ? I'm sure they can add Spice to this !! :-)
    Paulodapotter
    10th Aug 2015
    11:50am
    Pollies are like everyone else Particolor. They don't like pooing in their own nest. Frank and Mick, our two resident trolls will keep stum on this one.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    11:54am
    I just read something Up Above ! I think Tony has spotted this conversation of sorts !
    "Send In The Clowns !" :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:21pm
    I want to see Bonny explain to we who dwell in cattle class how terribly hard it is at the top end...

    At 66 I work to pay for firewood and such.. without that work I'd be stuffed.
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    11:45am
    I can't complain really. I got a pension for life when I retired from the RAF under a voluntary retirement scheme. I was 34yo.

    There was big difference. The normal retirement age from the RAF to get a full pension was 55. The interim pension until that date was calculated by using time served from 18. (In my case 14years.) I emigrated to Australia. My pension was $49 per month. I stayed that way until I turned 55 then it rose to $550 per month. Gee! I thought I was in clover. This in addition to the quite reasonable salary I was earning in my day job.

    Maybe this is how the politicians pensions should be worked out.

    PS: didn't get any of the side benefits our politicians get.
    Phil1943
    10th Aug 2015
    11:48am
    Once their snouts get in the trough it's hard to break them of their bad habits. What greedy, lazy and selfish slobs are our pollies - both the current crop and those from previous governments. We can only hope the High Court finds a few principles while considering its decision.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    2:09pm
    Ole Mac Donald had a farm E I E I OINK !! :-)
    Supernan
    10th Aug 2015
    12:00pm
    Unbelievable ! For once am speechless ! Make them go on the real Pension !
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    12:10pm
    Pauperism Aint Us ! :-)
    Old Fella
    10th Aug 2015
    12:17pm
    I wonder, if the referred section 51 , To Acquire Property on Just terms,could be called upon by the 41% of retired Australians on approx $22,365.00 to seek part of these four claimants property as a redistribution of Commonwealth property; The four claimants as elected politicians to the Government were theoretically the electors/citizen's property and justly paid for their service and services at the time. Paid for from the populace entitled to vote with Commonwealth Taxation monies collected from the Australian citizenary for a term of office that could be renewed or otherwise. Certainly this action by these four individuals highlights their real intention for seeking election to Parliament - Greed, Greed, and more Greed. Their motto I serve myself not the people who elected me.
    Arisaid
    10th Aug 2015
    12:17pm
    What really gives them the right to have such pensions. They should be means tested etc and if they qualify go on the aged pension. We pensioners have spent years working and paying taxes and I object extremely strongly to that money going to these money grubbing pollies. Doesn't matter which party they belong to they all seem to want to party when they leave parliament.
    noddy45
    10th Aug 2015
    12:18pm
    So the Politicians spend a few week away from home living in the lap of luxury and expect that they are entitled to take there family along with them traveling business class all the way if that is the case then what about our Armed Forces they are away from there family's for months at a time living in tents and to get there they are on hard benches in noisy aircraft and get paid a pitance for risking there lives to protect these low life money grabbers they give pigs at the trough a bad name ENOUGH is ENOUGH but nothing will get done about it.
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    1:36pm
    That true noddy,

    I worked for computer companies as an engineer and manager. I spent a lot of my time traveling interstate and overseas. Over 20 times overseas.
    Overseas travel I could fly economy if the flight was less than 5 hours. I could only fly business class if the fight time (continuous) was over 5 hrs. I was paid a daily allowance, depending on the country, that had to cover all accommodation and living. Anything above that I had to justify in writing.

    I could only take my family if the time away was over three months (Happened once). Below that I was allowed one flight home every month.

    And I found all this reasonable.
    Misty
    10th Aug 2015
    5:18pm
    Well put noddy45, makes you realise how unjust it is when you put it that way doesn't it.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:23pm
    Spot on, Noddy - I was on call 24/7 in all conditions for thirteen plus years and rarely saw family - no special treats for me.
    Golfer
    10th Aug 2015
    12:18pm
    To quote another famous line fron The Castle........"Tell them they're dreamin"
    Mork
    10th Aug 2015
    12:22pm
    I am coming to the conclusion that this forum is for grumpy old farts who are just upset they didn't get their snouts in the trough first. As for the one about shareholders rights and voting out the CEO, tell that to the plethora of long suffering individuals who have lost their life savings at the hands of hard-working souls like Allan Bond or Ray Williams or the grand master, Rupert Murdoch. Now Ray really DID know how to party and is still living high by all reports after serving less than 3 years for his part in Australia's biggest corporate collapse. As for Rupert, tell me which politician is more powerful than this man who works so hard to support all the downtrodden pensioners of this world.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    12:31pm
    Spare Me ! No Jealousy here ! I don't want to get Booted out of Government Have Security Guards for life And Hate Mail 4 Inches thick every day for the rest of My miserable Life !! :-)
    Gra
    10th Aug 2015
    3:00pm
    Another Liberal party troll has surfaced. Welcome Mork.
    Misty
    10th Aug 2015
    5:23pm
    Since when has Rupert supported or helped any downtrodden pensioner?, never as far as I know but I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:25pm
    Ha ha - Mork... there had to be one! I'll stand for election next time around and I will travel to and from Cambella on the pensioner bus, and will only accept reimbursement for actual costs. I'll also travel cattle class on airlines to any 'duties' that may accrue to the office.
    marto
    10th Aug 2015
    12:38pm
    Hi everyone
    I read many posts on this site and agree whole heartly on this subject and I have been of the opinion for a long time that the pollies are treated as a protected species it is great that you all make the comments you have but words are hollow if we do not do something about it in a real way I would have no idea how many people are on this site but, would people be prepared to put up their hand and form 1.A party 2. Lobby group 3. Join the Nick party and seek his assistance ( I thing he is probably one of the few honest people there)
    I am sure we have some very bright people that read this site and would be more than capable of getting something up and running I am happy to put my hand up and help are you. ?
    We can no longer continue with these people rorting our country lets stand up and be counted
    Maybe your life choices is a good name , we have so much technology at hand surely we can make it happen. I would love to hear from people interested

    peter

    notam58@gmail.com
    Sen.Cit.90
    10th Aug 2015
    2:16pm
    Hi marto,
    Here is one new attempt.. www.restore.australia.org.au.. I paid in but heard little from them since. Years ago, I also joined another party 'Grey Power' any new venture gets snuffed out Pauline Hanson is a recent good example of the big two parties power
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2015
    2:47pm
    Marto and Sen.Cit.84, you both have very good intentions, to say the least. I, like many people, find one of the most frustrating things in life is to see, hear, or read about something which is unethical, immoral, illegal, or just not acceptable as determined by our society and not be able to do anything positive to either correct it, bring it to the attention of a higher, active, and conscientious authority, or in some way lessen it's practice. We are all very small fish in a very big pond and our voices are next on the decimetre to inaudible. Very few people, I would hazard, on this site are in a position to travel or financially donate to a cause, but may very well like to lobby from home by Internet, phone, or mail if they thought it would do some good. Marto, if you could be a little more descriptive of what you're referring to, perhaps people would come to the party. Sen.Cit.84, your experience with "restore" was much similar to mine with AIR (Association of Independent Retirees). They seemed to be a lot of talk with no positive action nor results. They should call themselves "Hot"-AIR.
    terrib
    10th Aug 2015
    3:17pm
    Marto...there was someone who tried to set up a pensioner party a year or two ago, but he could not get enough people to put their hand up, he even offered free joining to start it up. He battled on for several years & I posted the site on here several times, but sadly he had to admit failure. He was very organised & had everything well done too. Such a shame but I think people will always stick to major parties saying "I have always voted that way". No excuse I say.
    Henry
    10th Aug 2015
    1:20pm
    Retired pollies perks should be cancelled immediately and payments to date paid back to indigenous rights groups. They're nothing but a bunch of greedy sycophants and leaners. Quick Tony do something REALLY lifting before you lose at the next election. Kill off perks. You can see how the Bronny delays brought out the knives!! The rest are only just starting to be sharpened.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2015
    3:11pm
    B. Bishop was a sacrificial lamb donated by the LNP for gratification of the taxpayer by making it seem as if something was being done to curb the open slather on public (taxpayers') money. The transgressions of Tony Burke, Joe Hockey, Warren Truss, etc, etc, etc in regards to shonky travel expenses will amount to zip, zero, nothing, nada as far as reimbursement of the public purse or ANY kind of disciplinary action by their cohorts (aka "partners in crime" and "political party members"). We are all being treated like ignorant, naive, fools by these thieving bludgers and they cover one anothers' backs as they will continue to fleece the public. Bloody unethical and pathetic by anyones' standard, but their own.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:29pm
    .. should be paid back to all those who've suffered in every way from the political correctness of the past thirty five years, not just the Indigenous.

    We live in a country where government imagines itself to be the total controller of all it surveys - including every part of your life. In other words, you are considered a vassal of the State, rather than the other way around and as such you should properly be subject to every whim and will of that State.

    Once you get past that one - you will see the way clear to what needs to be done.
    Baby Huey
    10th Aug 2015
    1:21pm
    Little respect for politicians and ex-politicians before. Absolutely none now.
    To use the Orwellian analogy the pigs ( read politicians) are in farmer Jones house ( read Parliament) with their snouts in the pockets of tax payers.
    Dotty
    10th Aug 2015
    1:34pm
    I think they should do as you suggested and pull their heads in!
    It's disgusting in this day and age that they think they should be better off than those on the aged pension ! Which they are already by a long shot !
    Theey are lucky to have the perks they have now and be satifeid and
    not grumble and try for more !!
    "You greedy greedy men" !
    Dotty
    mangomick
    10th Aug 2015
    1:41pm
    Well I think that Politicians should get all the entitlements they can while in and out of politics......And that's why I want you all to " VOTE FOR ME" next election. Of course if i fail in my bid, then naturally I'll be changing my tune....but Hey, That's Politics........
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    2:00pm
    Dear people of Australia .I am now experiencing difficulty in retirement and am struggling to fill the tank of the Bentley on two and a half grand a week Ex Pollies are Paid! :-( Could You please see Your way clear to protest bitterly about this Pittance afforded to Ex Leaders of this Nation ! Your help will be greatly appreciated ! :-)
    mangomick
    10th Aug 2015
    3:49pm
    I thought it read," Please Help me" I can't afford to fill the Bentley anymore. Give me back my entitlements so i can fly everywhere free instead and we can't afford legal counsel either so we want the tax payer to fund our Legal bill to boot.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:33pm
    Jesus God - how could they be doing it hard on a nice super payment INDEXED for life plus perks?

    Anyone else around here get that?

    I say keep 'em lean - they all run their own businesses etc while theoretically sitting in parliament for you anyway - they suffer zero loss of opportunity from 'serving the public', then they are handed another nice little earner as compensation for being booted out by the voting public, like Brendan Nelson, who I am ashamed to say is running the War Museum on a nice little earner.

    I can think of one or two Digger mates who would fill that job better....
    beejaz
    10th Aug 2015
    1:55pm
    These sniveling pollies just keep getting more and more. They all say cut unemployment costs, cut old age pensions[not pollies ones] They use for one trip what we have to live on for a whole year. Top that off with free lunches and pocket money as well as wages. Plus all those free trips after they retire, WHY? Their pensions are great or couldnt they save on the few thousands$ they collected as wages. Oh woe is me, I am trying to cut costs by making my own final box and they will get a state all expenses paid lavish do
    Bes
    10th Aug 2015
    2:24pm
    Not just the politicians either!
    Our (city) is twinned with a Chinese one? No details of flights and how many per year available nor any positive outcomes as in profit/loss and expense to the ratepayer?
    YOUR councillors also probable fly International on supposed council business.
    Most just get a copy of the minutes of a delegation meeting just to make it (legal and acceptable.)
    The whole system is unfair and designed to take advantage in any way of the tax and rate paying general public.
    Gra
    10th Aug 2015
    2:39pm
    Seems YLC couldn't find a photo of a greedy Australian politician so have opted for someone holding some US cash. Could this have been to avoid litigation by these pigs with their snouts in the trough??
    Debbie McTaggart
    10th Aug 2015
    9:34pm
    Hi Gra, we actually have to be very careful with the images we choose, and sometimes have to forego a little accuracy to depict the correct sentiment. We do try to use Australian images when we can.
    dougie
    10th Aug 2015
    2:51pm
    These people who call themselves politicians decide that they want to enter public life and enjoy the recognition physically and monetarily. They say they work very hard and long hours and deserve all they get. They say that they are away from their families and need to have them around them so that they do not miss out on the life of their families. Let me remind them that "this is the choice they made, full knowing all of these matters in advance" so accept what you wanted, do not put your snout in my trough for more.
    If you join the armed forces you accept as does your family that there will be long periods of absence and considerably more danger than any pollie gets into. Do they get all of the perks the pollies want, of course not. Are they as well reimbursed as the pollies, of course not. The same can be said for all emergency services and the police, do they get the same benefits as the pollies, of course not.
    Yes unfortunately we need politicians, but let them have their short stays in Canberra and the rest of the time work from home base in their electorate and then perhaps we might achieve something. With modern communications there is no need to fly all around the country, each of these people was elected to a local electorate and this is where they should be.
    If they achieve enough of the right things people will ensure that they are re elected if not then they do not deserve another term. Who needs question time and other antiquated British procedures. This is our country and let us govern it the way the people want and require.
    KSS
    10th Aug 2015
    3:18pm
    As I have said before, I have no problem with the salary or the pension fund of politicians. There are, after all, many sectors where people are well paid and have a generous pension scheme. It is what it is and good luck to you if you are in one of those sectors.

    What I do have a problem with is these so called 'entitlements' that seemingly allow the spouse and family (not to mention the nanny) to travel business or first class and then the accommodation costs for 'family reunions'. I have no problem with the 'business' (tax payer)picking up the tab for required business travel. This is no different to those of us in the private or NGO sectors being able to claim the out of pocket expenses when travel to a place other than our usual place of work is necessary. I can even accept the funding of electoral offices and staff otherwise we would be in the same position as the Americans where only the independently wealthy can run for office.

    But why is the tax-payer expected to pay for the family 'reunions' in this day and age? I note the families never seem to have their reunions in places such as Coober Pedy, Port Headland or Longreach, but in Cairns or Perth instead. There are far more employees in jobs that require them to travel for months and are not allowed (or even expect) to take their families on an all expenses paid holiday on the business credit card than politicians who have to be away for a few nights in a row.

    Nor do I understand why ex-politicians are able to claim travel, office and staff costs once they have left parliament on top of their generous pensions. Why do we continue to pay for flights around Australia even after they have retired? They are NOT on official government business and they have far more income than most other pensioners who fund their own travel.

    This case should be thrown out by the High Court and the applicants told they are 'dreamin!'
    Fortunately they are having to fund the case themselves since they have already been denied further tax payer money to bring the case. However, I suspect that the case will play out in court at more tax-payer funding, and they may even win their argument. What then?
    andromeda143
    10th Aug 2015
    3:20pm
    The ugliness of politics was never more vividly brought home to us than by this 'snouts in the trough' scandal. They should be given $50000 per year and no more (no free flights or other perks) and this amount should be indexed by the cpi just as they wanted to do to us. Politicians disgust me.
    doclisa
    10th Aug 2015
    3:53pm
    The thing was originally like this to prevent MPs going on to use 'insider knowledge' on boards
    or in associated jobs etc
    As this is now the case for many people it is usually handled by a one off generous payout as long as the ex-worker (in this case MP) does not work in any industry associated with the decisions and knowledge gained while working for the state. This payment is really to compensate for the 2 years they dont gain advantage using government contacts and knowledge. That is ALL is should be for any MP outside of being a senior member, such as the PM and perhaps deputy. After 2 years everyone is on their own merits again, they have had a rest from parliament and can return to work. These people earn good wages when they are working. This brings me to another thing....the use of 'entitlements' is wrong for politiains..it should be travel reimbursement...then they would think twice before paying and having to apply and justify for reimbursement from someone in finance office? Don't you think!
    Sen.Cit.90
    10th Aug 2015
    4:10pm
    There is often the question asked (by me too) What can we do to stop the rot. Here is a possible solution if it gained momentum.
    http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/election-question/
    Wstaton
    10th Aug 2015
    5:45pm
    Tis amazing, How things are picked to stir people up and push their party. I am not Muslim but there are parts of the bible saying similar nasty things but are taken out of context.

    On of the "picks" at restore Australia is verse 2.191 sure it says what appears to be nasty things.

    http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=191

    But to get the real meaning of this, one should read the previous verse. 2:190

    http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=190

    This and the fact that 191 starts with And. relates to transgressors on their land and to find them and kill them if they do not leave.

    Lets leave things like this out of this forum return to polies snouting.
    moke
    10th Aug 2015
    4:18pm
    In what country do the ignorant imbeciles think they live, or is it because they obviously think along the lines I'm alright mate bugger you. which is an attitude so often found amongst those that have all that they need to make life more than easy and comfortable
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:41pm
    We live in a country derived from a convict colony startup (sic), with either 'criminals' (leaners) or guards (lifters), and the guards having plenipotentiary powers and rights to a full and proper existence.

    Nothing much has changed in 240 odd years, and this goes a long way towards explaining the entrenched and endemic criminality of our social institutions - be they legislators, the magistracy/judiciary, the 'landlord classes', or the upholders of the law.

    MY country is in dire need of a massive overhaul in the way it is run and how it runs.... and good government starts NOW with you and I.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    9:21pm
    There is not a Flamin thing You or Me can do about it and THEY KNOW IT !! Both sides and in between are no match for us now, they are united and Feign, being Enemies' ! We the Sheep are a scattered flock, and vote One In and One out and get the same in as out ?? Buts its a good Mixed Farm ! Pigs and Sheep ! :-) :-)
    pete@nakedhydroponics
    10th Aug 2015
    4:31pm
    The idea that we allow our representatives to make one law for us, and completely different laws for themselves is beyond bizarre.
    If the standard Aussie Pension isn't good enough for the people we pay to Represent us, how can it be good enough for us?
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:43pm
    Perfect! Just perfect!
    Shoey
    10th Aug 2015
    4:38pm
    How can you get unbiased recommendations by using ex-politicans to review entitlements?
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:44pm
    It was never intended that you would.. and the farce that we will be able to alter this in any meaningful way at the next election is just that - a farce. You don't seriously see any 'opposition' member cutting his/her own throat here, do you, by accepting massive changes to (ta-raaaa) entitlements?
    Misty
    10th Aug 2015
    5:05pm
    I do not agree with what these men are doing, I am sure they all retired on a good super and with better then average salaries surely they would have amassed some savings over their working life.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    9:05pm
    Now the Invisible part of this that gets Me is .They can Work after Retirement with no effect on their pension, Suck in all the dough on their Investments and Share, and whatever other underhanded events they wish to Indulge in and Still Go OINK !!?? I WANT MORE !!
    B J
    10th Aug 2015
    5:20pm
    How is it possible to stop these self indulgent people? It wont matter who is in government, I cannot see it changing because gone are the days politicians govern for the people that put them in power, instead they govern for themselves.
    Jacqua
    10th Aug 2015
    5:37pm
    please, please, please, people power...vote at the next election for a realistic politician - if you can find one! i still think they all need to spend at least a month (a year would be better) with only the pension to live on, in an ordinary house, with family. then 'no work no pay' should apply - unless actually elected and serving (don't you love that word!) our country and only while so doing, should they receive a executive salary. it should not be loaded with extra perks either.
    B J
    10th Aug 2015
    5:39pm
    Mork , I would have thought those going into politics would know about the pay rates on offer. If they could make more in their previous careers why not stay in them? Everyone throws around the line, pay peanuts & you get monkeys, well look around parliment house & see the self serving chimps we have collected.
    Misty
    10th Aug 2015
    6:43pm
    Never a truer word was said BJ.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:47pm
    Spot on - would YOU give up a lucrative career and take a massive drop in pay to go into politics? I absolutely think not.

    Employ monkeys and all you get is peanut excreta....... and that is what you get to live on.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:54pm
    ‘property has been unlawfully acquired’

    I've endured:-

    > the evils of affirmative action for everyone else but me;

    > the evils of direct oppressive measures against men in our society;

    > the outrageous behaviour as a matter of policy of those vested with the upholding of the law;

    > the outrageous behaviour of those vested with proper administration of the Rule of Law;

    > the evils of a government that is incapable of retaining and properly administering its own records, leaving me high and dry over rightful pension claim;

    > bullying under the guise of industrial relations and consequent loss of opportunity in life;

    > failure of the injury compensation system when the company I slaved for went belly-up and left nothing:

    > deliberate targeting as some kind of lower class 'criminal' kind when I was down and out as a result, and was sick and injured due to years of hard and loyal service.

    Where are MY free flights and my fat pension for all my efforts and sacrifices?

    I'll bet there are countless stories similar out there.

    >
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    6:57pm
    Oh - the company was a 'self-insurer', and I was a commonwealth public servant and any number of other things - about which I've written a partial auto-bio in three parts.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    8:23pm
    Anyone prepared to argue that my 'opportunities' and such have not been 'unlawfully acquired' to favour whatever political agenda holds sway at any given time?
    Nan Norma
    10th Aug 2015
    7:02pm
    Greed, just pure greed. They recieve huge saleries but don't want to spend a cent of it. As for Bronwyn Bishop, at her age why does she need a $250.00 pension for the rest of her life. She's had a huge income. All this tax payer's money will just be left to her family. GREED, pure greed. It is obscene.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    8:20pm
    I think She needs it for Makeup ?
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    8:24pm
    Ambassador to Paris and she could spend on the credit card to her heart's content on Estee Lauder and such....
    Desiree
    10th Aug 2015
    7:05pm
    I cheer when a ex polly dies, expecially ex Prime Ministers. Not only do they get better paying jobs out of parliament through contacts they made in parliament but they get a substantial pension for life and travel and office expenses. Another one with their snouts out of the trough.
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    8:33pm
    Sad - but to the point. Who else provides lifelong privileges to the extent we do for those who've significantly failed us in their political life? If you had bad employees and sacked them - would you give them an income for life, plus all the perks?
    gardener
    10th Aug 2015
    7:14pm
    why do I feel so powerless to change any of this? We vote out this mob and then the same happens again with the next lot.

    10th Aug 2015
    7:16pm
    so easy to fix.
    rule 1: politicians pensions to start at the same time as the age pension for everybody
    rule 2: no family travel unless paid for by the member him-or herself, unless it is impossible to see his or her family for more than eight weeks and than to fly them economy to canberra, not the gold coast or darwin, etc
    rule 3: apart of the p.m. nobody to use charter aircraft or helicopters, unless paid for by that member and this includes the opposition leader
    rule 4: a hotel or motel be bought or hired in canberra for the exclusive use of all parliamentarians while parliament is sitting, if they want to stay anywhere else, they pay for it out of their own pockets. as for the rest of the year, which is 9 months out of twelve months, it can be used by the visitors to canberra.
    rule 5: any study tours during the winter break be 50% subsidized by the government, the rest be financed by the parliamentarian in question unless he or she can prove it to be for the greater good of australia, this to be assessed by a impartial panel
    yes, somebody like me can be dreaming of those rules to happen, it is up to all AUSTRALIANS to let your member know , WE GOT ENOUGH, TELL THEM, take YOUR SNOUTS OUT OF THE TROUGH and start govern for all in this once great country, just ask yourselves, do you want to become another GREECE, we are well on the way, it is up to YOU all, to tell your member, enough is enough, either look after our country or GET OUT.














    , as I do, to my member of the government,
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    8:25pm
    Rule 4 sounds like an easy target... won't happen. You'll have every disgruntled pensioner taking pot shots at it....
    TREBOR
    10th Aug 2015
    8:26pm
    Put 'em in cold water walk-up barracks...... with a curfew of 8 p..lights out at ten and wakeup for calisthenics at 5..... and lifeboat drill occasionally....
    CindyLou
    10th Aug 2015
    7:42pm
    One word describes this behaviours
    GREED

    10th Aug 2015
    7:47pm
    Speechless!!!.....Slimeball politicians and ex-politicians....where does it end!!

    10th Aug 2015
    9:20pm
    none of you have the guts to front your representatives and have a go to at least stop these so-called entitlements, keep on complaining in these columns, you may as well piss up the wall, they will laugh in your face till the next election and you will be still as gullible to their promises, may it be labor or liberal, when will australia learn!!!!!!
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    9:30pm
    They will never learn Here in this Country ! Out with them In with them ..
    THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES TO .... Bla Bla Bla Bloody Bla !!
    Audience ....Baaa !
    CindyLou
    10th Aug 2015
    9:44pm
    I'm jaded with the political chit chat...if I thought it would make a difference I'd talk to my local mp, it's not lack of guts, it's just a waste of good energy so why bother.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2015
    9:48pm
    Exactly Cindy !!
    Old Fella
    11th Aug 2015
    12:47am
    Not sure , however the High Court Judges hearing this claim. Are they eligible to adjudicate on Retirement and allowances that if disallowed or denied may negatively impact on their retirement payments
    . Sadly It may be the 'Pollies' already are above the law and can pillage the State for whatever ?
    particolor
    11th Aug 2015
    8:00am
    Lets face it ! There will be NO Change ! They have already Whitewashed the hole thing ! The only thing You will get out of a Government now is ROBBED !!
    Back to a Society of Prostitutes, Pickpockets and Thieves :-( Who voted for the Sheriff of Nottingham ? I didn't ! :-(
    TREBOR
    14th Aug 2015
    2:59pm
    How do you know we don't front our local lads and lassies, heemskerk? Also - you reckon their flunkeys don't look at this and other fora for feedback?

    I've seen my very own words expressed online in a political speech.... trust me - every act of dissent counts.

    10th Aug 2015
    10:27pm
    Absolute human scum, unbelievable!
    Huntsman
    11th Aug 2015
    5:25am
    Australian politics and politicians have sunk to an all time low. The people no longer get the representation they want and deserve and the pollies are more focused on keeping their snouts in the trough than giving us decent government. To make matters worse we have to endure an extra level of political cost and control by having State governments as well as Federal government and local government which costs us all a fortune. Sadly there does not seem to be a truly honest politician out there with any vision for Australia and its people so I am very pessimistic about the future of this country.
    Barbara Mathieson
    11th Aug 2015
    7:42am
    we The People are also Entitled. Entitled to know all about these "Entitlements". MPs are servants of the Public. So go serve us - honestly and fairly - as in Advance Australia Fair. Live up to your National Anthem! Constituents are entitled to hear about these Entitlements , out in the open - all disclosed MPs. No let up until you do.
    particolor
    11th Aug 2015
    8:22am
    That's what You Think !! :-)
    worker
    11th Aug 2015
    8:34am
    There is one place for the 4 MP its 6 foot under and NO monies should be payed to non employees of the Australian citizens the boss (employer)in this case members of parliament after leaving parliament.

    Age pensioners have left their place of employment lets pass a law that there past boss (employer)has to continue to pay ,provide holidays ,use of vehicles and so on for them to bring them in line with there past employees members of parliment
    particolor
    11th Aug 2015
    8:41am
    What a Great Idea :-) Lets equality in this Country !! Yeah Right ! :-(
    Rae
    11th Aug 2015
    10:39am
    With 48 000 self funded ex public servants about to lose entitlements granted because the paid super after tax and missed out on the 9% guarantee and 395 000 self funded about to lose centrelink income I'd imagine this court case will be interesting.

    If they win roll on the class actions from the defined benefit retirees and those self funded retirees.
    It is opening a can of worms alright.
    TREBOR
    14th Aug 2015
    3:00pm
    Good point, Rae.
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2015
    11:40am
    The re-vamp of "entitlements" will probably shuffle the existing entitlements around, name them differently and in all likelihood the pollies will end up better off than they currently are.
    Some entitlements are obviously justified but once you retire from politics you should retire with your superannuation and all other entitlements should be rescinded as is the case with everyone else who has worked for a living all their life.
    Where on this earth do any other working individuals retire from their job and end up with all their "living/working" perks?
    While they are sorting out their so-called current "entitlements" they should take a good hard look at all those currently retired pollies bleeding us dry and make a decision to cut off the gravy train mentality they think they are entitled to.
    We all now know from our current treasurer that the age of entitlement is well and truly over so treasurer/PM/and the rest of you, how about practising what you preach.
    Bob Carr retired from State politics and went to work at Macquarie Bank. Bob Carr later got "uplifted" in the federal Senate as Foreign Minister. Does anyone know how all his entitlements are funded? Does he get state and federal hand-outs?
    Wstaton
    11th Aug 2015
    11:55am
    Wow, Are we double dipping here. Take heed Mr Hockey.
    TREBOR
    14th Aug 2015
    3:02pm
    Of course Carr gets all those.. and not worth a cent of it. Look at his legacy for NSW - not that the opposition side are any better.... but he left a social wasteland of division between men and women... and a teenage wasteland (courtesy of The Who)...
    GrumpyOldMan
    11th Aug 2015
    1:54pm
    Well it has taken all this expose' to allow ordinary Australians to get a handle on the amount of benefits and entitlements these people get. Politics is a career path with good reason. Why wasn't I informed of this lucrative field of endeavor? So you only have to put in a term or two to receive a well paid pension for life!! These people earn enough money to establish a sizeable Superannuation nestegg. In our lifetime of working if we don't do the job correctly we get the sack. The employer doesn't have to keep paying us after we leave. If politicians aren't good enough to be elected over and over it means they weren't very good at their job! Time to hit Centrelink or one of the job agencies and like the rest of us, (In Joe Hockey's words) get a good job that pays well so you can afford to live comfortably when you do retire at 65 or 70. It really is about time that all Australians have a say in what politicians get and not just politicians granting themselves more and more while telling us lowly folks to grin and bear it! Yes the age of entitlements should certainly be over.
    Gilgaloth
    12th Aug 2015
    12:17pm
    Subject: The Prime Minister announces The Age of Entitlement is Over, except for politicians themselves.
    - Please Read and Pass On


    PLEASE READ AND PASS ON
    Author : Dr. Dale Kerwin
    School of Education
    MT Gravatt Campus, Grifffith University
    ph. 07 3735 5884 | fax. 07 3735 5991 | email: d.kerwin@griffith.edu.au

    Subject: Change the Entitlements

    I absolutely agree, if a pension isn't an entitlement, neither is it for politicians.
    They keep telling us that paying us an aged pension isn't sustainable.
    So then, paying politicians all the perks they get is even less sustainable!
    The politicians themselves, in Canberra, brought it up, that the Age of Entitlements is over:

    The author is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. In three days, most people in Australia will have this message.

    This is one idea that really should be passed around because the rot has to stop somewhere.

    Proposals to make politicians shoulder their share of the weight now that the Age of Entitlement is over:

    1. Scrap political pensions as Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most other working Australians are expected to do.

    2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) should participate in Centrelink. A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but should receive no salary when they're out of office. Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians. Terminated politicians under 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like the rest of the Australian people.

    3. Funds already allocated to the Politicians' retirement fund must be returned immediately to Consolidated Revenue. This money can be used to pay down debt Politicians created which they expect us and our grandchildren to repay for them.

    4. Politicians no longer vote themselves a pay raise as Politicians pay should rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.

    5. Politicians should lose their privileged health care system and participate in the same health care system as ordinary Australian people.
    i.e. Politicians either pay for private cover from their own funds or accept ordinary Medicare.

    6. Politicians must equally abide by all laws they impose on the Australian people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Politicians men/women are void effective 31/12/14. The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians, that burden was thrust upon them. Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves. Serving in Parliament is an honour not a career.

    NOTE: The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so our politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people, then it will only take three or so days for most Australians to receive the message.

    Don't you think it's time?

    THIS IS HOW YOU CAN FIX our Parliament and help bring fairness back into this country!

    If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete.

    If you wonder why concerned Australians are asking for your help, look at the figures below.
    REMUNERATION – SPECIFIED STATUTORY OFFICES
    Date of Effect 1 July 2014
    Specified Statutory Office
    Base Salary (per annum)
    Total Remuneration for office (per annum)
    Chief of the Defence Force > $535,100 - $764,420
    Commissioner of Taxation > $518,000 - $740,000
    Chief Executive Officer, Australian Customs
    and Border Protection Service > $483,840 - $691,200
    Auditor-General for Australia > $469,150 - $670,210
    Australian Statistician > $469,150 - $670,210
    “PAY FREEZE, NOT FAIR. SOB, SOB”
    Salaries of RETIRED Prime Minister and Politicians
    Office Additional salary (%) Salary as of 1 July 2014
    Prime Minister 160 $507,338
    Deputy Prime Minister 105 $400,016
    Treasurer 87.5 $365,868
    Leader of the Opposition 85.0 $360,990
    House of Reps Speaker 75.0 $341,477
    Leader of the House 75.0 $341,477
    Minister in Cabinet 72.5 $336,599
    Parliamentary secretary 25.0 $243,912
    Other ministers 57.5 $307,329
    Shadow minister 25.0 $243,912
    Source: Remuneration Tribunal.

    The TOTAL annual wages for the 150 seats in the Parliament are:
    Prime Minister $507,338
    Deputy Prime Minister $400,016
    Treasurer $365,868
    Leader of the Opposition $360,990
    House of Reps Speaker $341,477
    Leader of the House $341,477
    Minister in Cabinet $336,599
    Parliamentary secretary $243,912
    Other ministers* 307,329 x 71 = A$21,820,359
    Shadow ministers* $243,912 x 71 = A$17,317,752

    The TOTAL ANNUAL SALARIES (for 150 seats) = $41,694,311 - PER YEAR!
    And that’s just the Federal Politicians, no one else!

    For the ‘lifetime’ payment example (below) I used the scenario that:
    1. They are paid ‘lifetime’ salaries the same as their last working year and
    2. After retiring, the ’average’ pollie’s life expectancy is an additional 20 years (which is not unreasonable).

    It’s worth remembering that this is EXCLUDING all their other perks!

    SO, for a 20 years ‘lifetime’ payment (excluding wages paid while a Parliamentarian)

    Prime Minister @ $507,338 = A$10,146,760
    Deputy Prime Minister @ $400,016 = A$8,000,320
    Treasurer @ $365,868 = A$7,317,360
    Leader of the Opposition @ $360,990 = A$7,219,800
    House of Reps Speaker @ $341,477 = A$6,829,540
    Leader of the House @ $341,477 = A$6,829,540
    Minister in Cabinet @ $336,599 = A$6,731,980
    Parliamentary Secretary @ $243,912 = A$4,782,240
    Other ministers** @ $307,329 = A$6,146,580 x 71 = A$436,407,180
    Shadow ministers** @ $243,912 = A$4,878,240 x 71 = A$346,355,040

    Conclusions:
    TOTAL ‘life time’ (20 year) payments, (excluding wages paid while in parliament) = A$833,886,220 – OVER $833 MILLION
    EACH previous Prime Ministers including Gillard, Rudd, Howard, Keating, Fraser, Hawke, et al, add nauseum, are receiving $10 MILLION + EXTRA at taxpayer expense.

    Should an elected PM serve 4 years and then retire, each year (of the 4 years) will have cost taxpayers an EXTRA Two and a half million dollars per year! A$2,536,690.

    A 2 year retirement payment cut-off will SAVE our Oz bottom line A$792,201,909 *** NEARLY $800 MILLION.
    There are 150 seats in House, minus the 8 above = 142 seats, divided equally for example = 71 each for both shadow and elected ministers.
    This example excludes all wages paid while a parliamentarian AND all perks on top of that which include:
    Travel
    Hotels
    Secretarial Staff
    Speech Writers
    Restaurants
    Offices
    Chauffeured Limos
    Security
    Etc, Etc, Etc...........

    The present parliament of 150 seats will receive 20-year payments of A$833,886,220 less their annual salary x 2 years of A$83,388,622. [$41,694,311 x 2]

    “Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks.”
    Doug Larson (English middle-distance runner who won gold medals at the 1924 Olympic Games in Paris, 1902-1981)

    YOU’RE RIGHT, YOU HAVE FOUND WHERE THE CUTS SHOULD BE MADE!
    ACTION: Push for a MAX 2 year post retirement payment (which will give them time to get a REAL JOB).

    Spread it far and wide folks.
    People should know.

    Dr. Dale Kerwin
    School of Education
    MT Gravatt Campus
    Grifffith University
    ph. 07 3735 5884
    fax. 07 3735 5991
    email: d.kerwin@griffith.edu.au
    Wstaton
    12th Aug 2015
    12:36pm
    And these figures do not take into account the turnover of politicians. If we take that just 30% of them retire every six years that means 30% new politicians. In another 6 years another 30% and so on so I guess we can more than double the above figures.

    Maybe there are some statisticians who can work this out.
    Old Fella
    12th Aug 2015
    1:37pm
    Thank you Dr Kerwin for presenting this information . I applaud your courage and your honesty in signing off on the document as well. I for one will be sharing your document with as many others as possible.
    particolor
    12th Aug 2015
    1:58pm
    I hope the Barnyard Animals Don't demand 3% Pay rise As per Your recommendations ! in October ? :-( 3% of Half a Million is a Heap of Shekels !!..
    Pensioners will get the usual 0.02% of the CPI as usual !! :-(
    Perkless...
    Gilgaloth
    12th Aug 2015
    2:36pm
    “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
    ? George Orwell, Animal Farm
    Gilgaloth
    12th Aug 2015
    2:42pm
    The time has come to run these criminals out of office, by voting the two major parties out, in favour of a new broom of promise, in the Australian Liberty Alliance (new Australian political party)
    Gilgaloth
    12th Aug 2015
    1:29pm
    Australian Liberty Alliance (new Australian political party) launching Oct 2015… http://australianlibertyalliance.org/ I’ve copied the following from their FaceBook page, and it sounds like a decent attempt at doing something about the current situation……


    On 30 July we received notification from the Australian Electoral Commission that our application for party registration under part XI of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 has been approved.
    This is a milestone and a reason to celebrate. On behalf of the Executive Board we want to thank all who joined and supported Liberty Alliance from the very beginning. You made this possible.
    We will celebrate the formal launch of ALA on 20 October and then start working even harder to bring our policies before the voters at the next election. We know from our polling that many Australians are keen for common sense and core Western principles in politics, and this is what ALA members stand for.
    We start against a strong headwind and expect some nasty windshears. As we grow this will only get worse. But so did like-minded parties with similar policies in Europe. And see where they are a few years later: In the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Austria, France and Italy - they are supported by millions, already poll in the 20% bracket, win seats and slowly return common sense and Western principles to their parliaments.
    More information about our launch event on 20 October, the start of our Electorate Support Groups (ESGs) and our first Policy Development Committes (PDCs) will be going out to members during August. Keep in mind that until 20 October all we have to say about ALA policies and candidates is in our Manifesto.
    If you haven't joined as member yet, now is a good time to put pen to paper. And if you are already a member, why not encourage family and friends to join? Politics is a numbers game.
    Membership forms and more information is available here:http://australianlibertyalliance.org/
    or call the office on 1300 188 869 and have hard copies posted to you, if you can't print out the membership application.
    Wstaton
    12th Aug 2015
    1:47pm
    I have signed up as a social member for now also for the newsletter. I will make a decision to support this after I have gone through all the documentation.

    It may be the party we need. As others in this forum have stated that others have tried. (The Seniors Party Etc) I believe one platform parties cannot progress far as this is to do with everyone. A successful party has to take into account all Australian wishes not just a segment.
    Misty
    12th Aug 2015
    5:53pm
    What exactly does this party stand for?.
    Wstaton
    12th Aug 2015
    6:30pm
    They are an anti islam party. find out on their website.
    Radish
    14th Aug 2015
    7:23pm
    I would never do a donkey vote myself; I was referring to those people on here who dont want any of them in power.
    Not Senile Yet!
    12th Aug 2015
    3:11pm
    All the MP's are now shitting themselves about having their Expenses Claims re-investigated......so much so that they all agreed to stop pointing the finger at each other.....doesn't that stink of Corruption by the Party Machines????
    They are ALL little piggies with their snouts in the taxpayer's trough......so much so that they have guaranteed each other a lifetime feed at the trough in retirement!!!!!
    This was all passed on the quiet by BOTH Parties in collusion with each other......has never been scrutinised by anyone but themselves!!!
    They ALL make Ned Kelly look like a diplomat!!!!!!
    Yet they HUNG HIM!!!!
    Stop them by Not Voting these Party Puppets back into your Parliament......vote them ALL out!!!!
    STOP VOTING FOR PARTY PUPPETS!!!
    Adrianus
    12th Aug 2015
    3:28pm
    Not, I agree. Both sides of parliament have gone quiet on the issue. Congratulations to Clive Palmer for raising it today in question time.
    Wstaton
    12th Aug 2015
    3:29pm
    And now keeping the results of the finance department secret.
    particolor
    12th Aug 2015
    6:18pm
    We don't Disclose Results that will Offend ! Come think of it We don't say anything to You Bummbledorfs !! :-)
    Radish
    14th Aug 2015
    2:41pm
    dont vote for any of them at the next election if people are fed up with them all. that should settle it.
    just get your name crossed off at the polling booth and walk out. stick your blank voting papers in the box...end of story.
    particolor
    14th Aug 2015
    3:57pm
    A Blank Vote is a Vote for the Ignorant Swine you want gone !!:-( At least draw a Picture of Porky Pig on the paper ! :-)
    Gilgaloth
    14th Aug 2015
    4:17pm
    Seriously, 'A Blank Vote is a Vote for the Ignorant Swine you want gone !!'. There is no point in making a Donkey or informal (blank or with a drawing of Porky Pig) Vote & later complaining about the Government we have. Donkey Votes are a significant cause, of the Government we currently have, winning office. Be smart and Vote Formally, then at least you can say with a clear conscience, you did what you could, to deliver the Government Australia deserves.

    13th Aug 2015
    9:57am
    We need a class action by taxpayers and pensioners demanding allowances be REDUCED SUBSTANTIALLY (if not cancelled) in view of the current economic situation and the fact that all other Australians have been told that the age of entitlement is over and forced to make sacrifices. The courts should be asked to rule that sacrifice BEGINS at the top. Leaders and former leaders must set the example for others to follow. No decent leader ever asks his men to do what he himself will not do, so the requirement of leaders and former leaders is obvious. Time to demand leadership and put an end to greed. No... way, way, way PAST TIME. No more excuses. No more delays. Let's see what our ''leaders'' are made of.
    Gilgaloth
    14th Aug 2015
    5:39am
    If we are not prepared to actually 'do' something about, then why complain. The Government propaganda machine will kick into overdrive to cover up their MP's criminal behaviour, throw a few scapegoats under the bus (Bronwyn Bishop), but keep MP snouts firmly in the public trough. The only way the outraged can hope to compete, is to all spread the word to the voting public (family, friends, neighbours, peers, social networks etc) at every opportunity, by all moral & ethical means available. No more sitting quietly, while we are raped & pillaged by our so called public servants. We need to act now, or suck it up.

    14th Aug 2015
    12:19pm
    YLC Yappying Lefties Club
    particolor
    14th Aug 2015
    4:38pm
    But still better than "If I'm elected There will be No Cuts to Bla Bla BS !!!"
    Old Fella
    15th Aug 2015
    12:49pm
    Pete does the EEHHC ( Elitist equestrian high horse Club) provide the same allowances to members as the YLC ?
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Aug 2015
    4:14am
    Left Right.... Labor or Liberal.....what does it matter????
    There are rules for expenses' claims!!!!
    That is not the real issue....the real issue is that both Party's made those rules to suit themselves and they appointed the Administrators!!!
    This is a simple matter of removing the Administration and approval of all Mp's Expenses to a Third Party Body Administered by the Federal Police......that way if they Cheat.....it's Fraud and they get charged just like anybody else!!!
    But more importantly...if found guilty under the law....they loose all Parliamentary Pensions bar their Super.....and sacked just like the rest of us!!!
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Aug 2015
    4:16am
    AS FFOR THE Past Mp's that are Sueing!!!
    Their OWN Party Caucus's are probably backing them when they should be advising them to PULL their Heads In!!!
    toot2000 (Sydney)
    15th Aug 2015
    1:19pm
    I liked the picture of Bronny taking her seat in economy section flying back to Sydney on Friday. Something has to be done about this disgusting state of affairs.
    Radish
    15th Aug 2015
    6:14pm
    No matter what is said on this site...nothing ....will change...believe me!
    Gilgaloth
    15th Aug 2015
    8:21pm
    We are like lambs to the slaughter as the Australian Government heads down the same path as the US. Throw out the LNP in 2016, or this is our destiny too:

    http://www.infowars.com/beyond-denial-preparations-for-martial-law-in-america/


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