26th Jul 2016
Census 2016: Boycotters would face fines
Census 2016: Boycotters would face fines

Census boycott talks are on the rise as privacy groups demand that the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) reverse its plans to retain names and addresses from the 2016 Census. However, the ABS warns that Australians who refuse to complete the form will face fines of up to $180.

For the first time in the Census’ 105-year history, the ABS announced it would store collected name and address information in order to “enable a richer dynamic statistical picture of Australia”.

The government authority insisted the decision was made following a full privacy impact assessment, with “extremely robust safeguards in place” to protect confidentiality. However, civil liberties groups have condemned the change and called for its reversal.

 “Australians value their privacy, they used to trust the ABS, and they would be alarmed by this sneaky change to the way their personal information would now be stored,” says Australian Privacy Foundation Vice Chair Kat Lane.

The ABS initially wanted to retain the information ‘indefinitely’, but the tide of criticism resulted in a change to four years, or until the next Census.

Talks of boycotts have prompted the ABS to remind Australians that the census is compulsory, and penalties will apply for non-participants.

“Australians traditionally show strong support for the Census and the need to enforce penalities is rare … However, it is sometimes necessary to use legislative provisions in order to maintain the integrity of ABS statistics,” the bureau stated.

Census night is on 9 August.

Do you take issue with the ABS retaining your name and address? Do you feel it’s an invasion of privacy?

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    johnny
    26th Jul 2016
    10:35am
    First of all why do they need names and addresses for Census? Census is only for collecting statistical data. And what legal standing they have for this? Government cannot do anything they want.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2016
    10:44am
    Oh - I used to work for the Bureau of Stats - the top sheet with name is removed once verified.... though that was a while ago and no doubt many things have changed since then.
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    11:30am
    Big brother wants to check we put in the right information.
    particolor
    26th Jul 2016
    1:38pm
    And know if there are enough there now in that District to Warrant a Mega Mosque !! :-) :-)
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    3:17pm
    I've been told one should put down christen instead of no religion so that they think there are more christens than there are to discourage building a mosque in my area. Something to think about if you are going to select no religion.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    4:24pm
    There is absolutely no doubt that anything you put in the Census will be collated under your name and 'used' should it ever be necessary.

    THERE is absolutely NO other reason to breach OUR privacy and FORCE us to comply.

    1984 Orwellian suppression.... sure is!

    Whilst times were good, they gave us democracy but as the wealthy get greedier and greedier and took too much from the people, they turn to oppression and subjugation to maintain control. THIS is only the START.

    Hence, who gives a rat's sh*te about a Mosque....... what is the difference between a Mosque and a Christian Church....... absolutely NOTHING. Unless you consider the Christian TERRORISTS who commit acts of TERROR against those attending the Mosque as a HEALTH RISK! Hence, your gripe should be with the VIOLENT BIGOTS and not the Mosque.
    Ductape
    27th Jul 2016
    5:39am
    Mussitate - the difference between a Mosque and a Christian church is simply that one requires it's followers to die for the almighty, whereas in the other, the almighty died for his followers!
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    8:13am
    Good post Ductape. Agree.

    In the days of computerisation I have no trust in the system. Add to that the most dishonest and corrupt government in living history at the helm and it seems pretty likely that the census return may well be saved to some server somewhere hidden away from the public gaze. I agree Mussitate that information may well be recalled for future use. I will not be answering honestly for some of the questions.
    In Outer Orbit
    30th Jul 2016
    6:38pm
    Might you have to rethink your digital footprints on this site too Mick?
    Adrianus
    2nd Aug 2016
    7:36am
    I would expect that level of dishonesty from you MICK.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    3:20pm
    Frank

    Your neo con FASCIST govt's DISHONESTY is of more relevance here....

    They are still a JOKE govt and with Australia heading for economic trouble (next GFC on the way and a recession for Australia). No way out of it with this incompetent mob of facile marionettes with dinosaur fascist ideology, in charge.... we won't scoot past a GFC like we did with Rudd in charge.

    Remember Rudd.... best ECONOMY in the WORLD during the height of the GFC; lowest govt DEBT; most EGALITARIAN; gained triple AAA credit rating & AU$ in international currency mix... both first time EVER.

    We won't see any of that sort of achievement with this lot of neo con fascist clowns..... that is why they are:

    TOSSING away DEMOCRACY in order to control the populace with OPPRESSION & SUBJUGATION.

    They are DANGEROUS INCOMPETENT GREEDY FOOLS!

    So, dear, dear Frank...... who is dishonest? Non thinking Liberal Party supporters and all those PROLS, maybe??
    Adrianus
    2nd Aug 2016
    4:23pm
    So we should prey that Rudd will return and get the economy warmed and the budget under control? I have no idea what medication you're on Mussitate but it aint working mate!
    Mar
    26th Jul 2016
    10:38am
    All the Census collections from years back in the UK had names and addresses. That's how people trace ancestry.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2016
    10:43am
    Ve haff vays off making you be counted!

    I believe that government has no right whatsoever to sell off confidential information - after all - we provide it to them as a public service and in public faith, and it is, after all, THEY who work for us and not the other way around.

    This creeping control over our private information and its blatant abuse by the very same people set up to provide our privacy, who will jump all over US if we want anything - will happily sell it off for thirty pieces of tinfoil.

    Government is NOT a business to be used for exploitation of all resources... it is a service to We, The People!
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2016
    10:45am
    sorry - 'this creeping control.... has to stop'....

    **slaps self for not editing comment**
    Old Man
    26th Jul 2016
    12:35pm
    How easy it is to spread half truths and lies. Where does it say, TREBOR, that the government is going to sell the confidential information? The associated article was about a private company selling on information for marketing purposes which is far removed from government or, specifically, the ABS.
    Tom Tank
    26th Jul 2016
    1:04pm
    Australia Post sells information to private companies.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    1:58pm
    We have no rights and they (Gov.) can do anything they want because they are not supported by a Bill of Rights for all citizens they are only scatter all over the constitution papers and not very clear .....Rights and Duties .... very important for all of us in this new world
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    4:33pm
    Old Man

    Even the ATO got caught SELLING data to COMMERCIAL 'concerns'.

    Any information held in the ABS is available to Ministers, Government and our 'special' agencies.... what they do with it will never be known.

    Who is going to tell us, certainly not Corporate Media... maybe WikiLeaks could which is why they have IGNORED a UN declaration that the holding of Julian Assange is ILLEGAL....

    ...alternatively, IF the UN hands down a decision on China's undertakings in the South China Sea which is in the USA's favour, then THAT is HELD UP high for ALL to note that China is to abide by this.

    IT IS CALLED HYPOCRISY....the USA is one country that is FULL of it!
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    7:21pm
    One of the younger members of the family applied for a tax file number and was sent an application fro a credit card a week or so later. Only people who know their details was the ATO so we were very suspicious at the time.

    Years ago when you received a pay rise to take your pay over a certain amount you were set an American Express application. That was also suspicious.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    8:15am
    Old Man: a post from the incumbent government again?
    Ronin
    26th Jul 2016
    10:49am
    They can go f--k themselves! You don't need names and addresses stored for census purposes. We have so little privacy left, it's disgusting what we allow the powers-that-be to know about us. If you're not doing anything illegal you should be allowed to keep your life private. I will now take steps to legally avoid completing the census. It's a stand on principle. Looks like a short visit to NZ is in order!
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    7:52pm
    hope you stay there
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    7:57pm
    heemskerk99

    If you can not contribute with an intelligent comment please stay out
    You are troublemaker

    Respect and you will be respected else get out from here
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    8:17am
    Heemsjerk is Frank in drag Aussie.
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    1:14pm
    MICK ....About Heemsjerk ....UR about correct mate
    Retired Knowall
    2nd Aug 2016
    7:59am
    Do you mean they are actually asking for your Name ans Address....Shocking, where will it end?
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    3:31pm
    heemskerk99

    A bit out of context, I agree BUT did you know that TROLLS are nasty, stupid, smelly creatures that feed on manure and live under bridges.

    I'm sure you, as would most others, would ignore people who act as trolls on here, denigrating other commenters, etc... yes!
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    3:36pm
    Ronin

    Brilliant comment... says it all rather succinctly!



    Retired Knowall

    Hitler would have been able to tell you, if the Russians hadn't put the knockers on his endeavours. We could all be speaking German now and living in a FULL blown FASCIST state, instead of one that is just making big INROADS into subjugation and oppression.
    Adrianus
    3rd Aug 2016
    11:44am
    Illegal alien huh?
    KB
    26th Jul 2016
    11:08am
    The Census is important however there is a concern with privacy issues for a variety of reasons,
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    8:19am
    The words 'government' and 'trust' are moving further and further apart in this country. One has to be suspicious of retaining information which can identify the person and I hope that people start to falsify intrusive questions to send a message.
    Happy cyclist
    26th Jul 2016
    11:15am
    Its sort of funny people even worrying about this when we happily give all our information to just about anyone else who asks. Have you ever bought something then got cash back 'by redemption'? Well, don't you remember you handed over all your details: name, address, phone number etc. What do you think happens to all that info? It gets sold on to huge data banks which use it for marketing etc. I try hard not to give out my personal information but it really is impossible not to. If you have a mobile phone you have given lots of personal information which is used in ways we can't imagine. So I guess the government may as well have it too.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    4:44pm
    Happy cyclist

    No, this is HUGE.... a collection of ALL our relevant and personal data in one place with our names and addresses attached to it and held specifically by the govt for their own purposes.

    It is a lot different to splatters of SOME peoples data being available to a variety of disconnected organisations.

    All collated information will be used to ensure that there are no more Julian Assanges or those fighting for democracy. All positions and high level appointments will be vetted and those which do not 'FIT' the govts 'model' will be passed over AND anyone that is 'popular' will be desecrated by DIRT extracted and blown up into a scandal and spewed forth by corporate media.

    Have a read of George Orwell's 1984..... it is interesting and aspects are easily applicable to what is occurring now.....

    The Prols are oblivious and just respond to whatever is spewed forth by the controlled media (just like our corporate media). They are not the sharpest of people but they do reflect a rather large sample of our population in these times.
    PlanB
    26th Jul 2016
    11:16am
    Our privacy is being eroded bit by bit and it is becoming a real fascist way of life governed on FEAR FEAR TERROR TERROR to keep us in control we can see it happening quicker and quicker these days. Stand up and protest!

    They do not need names for a census
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    4:46pm
    PlanB

    Right again... unfortunately!
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    5:18pm
    Plan B look at my posting about Bill of Rights under Politic group
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    7:54pm
    the three musketeers
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    8:01pm
    heemskerk99

    We are an intelligent bunch looking for the respect of our rights not a silly thing we believe that our rights re not respected by the politicians and of course they do what they want

    So yes we musketeers fight for respect of yours and all of us ....Rights and Duties
    Join us read my post about the Bill of Rights and people's comments the posting is under political .... you will find it interesting
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:34pm
    Can I be D'ARtagnan?
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    11:28am
    It definitely shows a complete lack of concern for identity fraud. I would never tell the truth anyway only what I think they need to know. Same with everyone else.
    iamnotold
    26th Jul 2016
    12:19pm
    Same here, no way of checking everyone's answers to questions.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    4:51pm
    Old Geezer and iamnotold

    You have brought up one very VALID aspect..... people will no longer tell the truth in the Census and it will be essentially a load of rubbish.

    However, be careful because they will be checking those that are not 'cleverly' compiled and can be easily seen as fraudulent.

    I actually think this needs someone to challenge the Liberal Govt's validity in a court of law or to have a bill introduced into parliament and hope that all the independents, labor, greens, etc vote to disallow this change to our census (the Libs would need to have one of their own taking the position as the Whip to reduce their numbers by one).
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    10:08pm
    The funny thing is that even if I told the truth very few if any would believe me anyway.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:36pm
    Why do you sound like a Liberal Party hack. Dishonesty is such a hallmark of everything liberal.
    beansprout
    26th Jul 2016
    11:49am
    Census is one of the most useful ways of tracing people in your family tree. At present Electoral Rolls are available for searching, but they do not show all household members, occupation, etc. If the Census is not released for 100 years, what is the harm in collecting names and addresses?
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    11:52am
    To me searching one family tree is just being a big sticky beak so the less information they know about me the better.
    PlanB
    26th Jul 2016
    12:42pm
    beansprout, do you believe they will not release the info for 100 years -- nor use it ?!
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    1:04am
    beansprout
    So.... what you are saying is that I and everyone else should give up all our rights and privacy, just to suit your penchant for tracing family trees.... irrespective of what the govt. and corporations will do with the information they acquire.

    The Census info will not be released to the PUBLIC for 100 years but access to the govt. and a select few will be available immediately!

    Don't forget insurance companies have access to OUR Medicare information but WE do NOT!
    Radish
    29th Jul 2016
    4:29pm
    If this is such an issue for some go and live in another country!
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    4:23pm
    Nasty stuff.... can't respond with dignity and intelligence, so resort to gutter inanities.

    Cheers... you have just proved your allegiance as a Neo Con Fascist Liberal Govt PROL ... with just a touch of troll.
    ozirules
    26th Jul 2016
    12:35pm
    what good has come from the previously gathered info, has it resulted in government services being provided where needed. Judging by Police numbers, social housing, medical services, roads and highways etc. I think not. Maybe it's just a head count of potential tax payers to be squeezed dry to pay for past and future Government mismanagement.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:37pm
    That is a double edged sword. What riles me about the data is that it is manipulated and what is not palatable buried.
    goddessofstrife
    26th Jul 2016
    12:43pm
    $180 is cheap to stay out of this government grab. Shame on the ABS. The census is a vital chunk of information, and they are risking corrupting it with abstainers? What are they thinking? It will no longer be reliable, and all their threats can't make it so.
    The Bronze Anzac
    26th Jul 2016
    1:52pm
    They need your name & address to send you the fine.
    particolor
    26th Jul 2016
    2:01pm
    And if you get fined they already know ALL about you :-) So what's the Point ?? :-) :-)
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:38pm
    Great revenue raiser if nobody sent the thing back.
    Ted Wards
    26th Jul 2016
    12:53pm
    What difference does it make, they know everything about us anyway. Privacy is an absolute illusion. All that this will do is make people decide to not to tell the truth out of some ill informed delusion. Big brother watches everything we do yet seems powerless when it counts.
    PlanB
    26th Jul 2016
    1:30pm
    1984 is here and has been for quite some time
    particolor
    30th Jul 2016
    6:23pm
    Yep !! :-)
    Young Simmo
    26th Jul 2016
    1:49pm
    What's all the Who Ha about?. The Tax Dept knows my address, the Comm Bank and Car rego mob know my address, as does Pay Pal Etc, Etc, Etc.
    Some people would blame the Govt if it rains on their birthday, go back to sleep everybody.
    sandyfaye
    26th Jul 2016
    2:33pm
    Hahaha.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    4:53pm
    Young Simmo & sandyfaye

    No, this is HUGE.... a collection of ALL our relevant and personal data in one place with our names and addresses attached to it and held specifically by the govt for their own purposes.

    It is a lot different to splatters of SOME peoples data being available to a variety of disconnected organisations.

    All collated information will be used to ensure that there are no more Julian Assanges or those fighting for democracy. All positions and high level appointments will be vetted and those which do not 'FIT' the govts 'model' will be passed over AND anyone that is 'popular' will be desecrated by DIRT extracted and blown up into a scandal and spewed forth by corporate media.

    Have a read of George Orwell's 1984..... it is interesting and aspects are easily applicable to what is occurring now.....

    The Prols are oblivious and just respond to whatever is spewed forth by the controlled media (just like our corporate media). They are not the sharpest of people but they do reflect a rather large sample of our population in these times.

    This is NOT funny AND not one of you should be acting like LAMBS in this regard!
    Young Simmo
    26th Jul 2016
    5:08pm
    What a load of TRIPE, I am 76 and can't remember how many census I have done, but I am quite sure the Govt hasn't done me any harm because of them. If fact last years $6 increase in pension meant, I could go from Woollies Tomato Sauce to Rosella Tomato Sauce. I just love their generosity.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    5:27pm
    THAT'S because they didn't know WHO you were.... they didn't match your name & address with the information you supplied!!!

    So THE LOAD OF TRIPE stays with you YES!

    See below for how HITLER used the Census to extract the names and addresses of Jews & Communists, etc.

    IT IS FASCISM.... old chum.

    Whilst times were good, they gave us democracy but as the wealthy got greedier and greedier and took too much from the people, they turn to oppression and subjugation to maintain control. THIS is only the START.
    Retired Knowall
    27th Jul 2016
    3:25pm
    Mussitate, you and your like are all Drama Queens.
    The ATO, Medicare, MyGov, RTA, Financial Instutions etc ALL Have your details.
    I for one don't care as I have nothing to hide. The only Drones who would object are the scammers who are ripping the country off.
    Give me one VALID reason the Govt shouldn't have your details.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:42pm
    Do they know how many times you have sex in a week? My point exactly.
    Young Simmo
    27th Jul 2016
    3:55pm
    Mick, I don't know how many times a week I have sex, but I do know how many times I have sex in a 10 year spell, and I don't need a calculator.
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    7:50pm
    Retired Knowall
    Goodness if I am a Drama Queen (with capitals) what does that make you.... a promoter of NEO CON FASCISM and a patsy who is willing to hand over your rights that have taken a very long time to acquire and are very, very hard fought for.

    These institutions you speak of are all separate and NOT one big data base... they are specifically related to 'certain' dept related info.

    It is so strange that Liberal Govt supporters are so willing to back neo con fascism BUT are the first to jump up and down and carry on about those people living under communism have no rights and are SPIED upon by their govt...... DUH! Just because it is YOUR political party which you "follow without thought", you think it is okay.

    Try and have a look outside the square old thing.

    PLUS: when you think of every bit of your private information, conversations, internet activity that will now be available to your govt, also think that this Neo Con Fascist Govt is seeking to be able to 'black bag' people not for a set period but INDEFINITELY with no access to a lawyer or the courts

    NOW: combine these two aspects with the fact that there is no TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY or REVIEW of these EXTREME POWERS.

    THEN: tell me that a Neo Con Fascist Regime govt would NOT use all the info and powers to REMOVE (black bag) anyone that tries to REVEAL any CORRUPT or illegal Practices or GAG anyone with PUBLIC presence with extracts of some information that they have collated to cause a SCANDAL .... even if the excerpts and extractions are out of context or simply made up (all info is digital and therefore open to amendment without trace).

    DO YOU WANT MORE!

    Just look what has happened to JULIAN ASSANGE...... this guy has NOT been charged with ANY CRIME! But has spent the last 3-4 years in detention which has been proclaimed by the UN as ILLEGAL and in breach of his rights.

    Sweden gave Assange permission to leave Sweden, after he presented himself to the authorities, and they stated that there was nothing for him to answer to.

    He went to the UK and then Sweden's prosecutor changed and presented the UK with an extradition order on the basis that they wanted to interview Assange.

    Assange and the UK courts offered Sweden the opportunity to interview him via video link which Sweden refused to undertaken.... even though on 44 other cases Sweden has used video link since Assange's case.

    The UK courts did some very strange things and brought down a judgement that, even though there was NO charge against Assange, he was to be extradited to Sweden. EVEN though, for example, a Paedophile residing in the UK that was wanted on CHARGES in another country for his crimes was NOT extradited.

    The UK has, since Assange taken asylum in Ecuadorian Embassy, changed the laws so that if there are NO CHARGES, then a person cannot be extradited. NOTE: this change relates to PRIOR to Assange's extradition order and AFTER Assange's extradition order which leaves the TOTAL PEOPLE to be subjected to this draconian law, is ONE (1) and that ONE PERSON is Julian Assange!!!!!!

    Sweden STILL refuses to interview Julian Assange via video link AND refuses to give Julian Assange assurances that IF he goes to Sweden, they will not send him straight to the USA.
    The corruption involved in the USA situation is another story BUT if you are interested, just let me know and I will fill you in on that TRAVESTY as well.

    Can you imagine what would have happened to Julian Assange IF this neo con FASCIST Australian Govt. had all his information and the ability to 'black bag' people INDEFINITELY.

    Julian Assange would have simply disappeared and would probably be dead now.

    ALL JULIAN ASSANGE has ever done is PUBLISHED GOVERNMENT and CORPORATE CORRUPTION.

    For that.... he has been proclaimed a CRIMINAL.....


    Yes, I can see Retired Knowall.... how this neo con FASCIST govt would NEVER, EVER used its EXTREMELY BROAD INVASIVE and DRACONIAN POWERS to make people disappear or scandalise their good name, so that whatever they say is not listened to. Sheez, think man.... if they are doing backflips of law bending and slight of hand to detain this person for simply publishing GOVT & CORPORATE CORRUPTION.... given more powers, they would definitely USE THEM without hesitation.

    YOU don't EVEN look at these sorts of things.... you ignorantly just accept Murdoch and other FOREIGN corporate MEDIA propaganda without engaging your intelligence. You have intelligence, there is no doubt of that BUT you appear to be refusing to apply it.
    Retired Knowall
    30th Jul 2016
    10:31am
    Mussitate, if you don't stop it you will go blind.
    "These institutions you speak of are all separate and NOT one big data base... they are specifically related to 'certain' dept related info."
    They all linked you moron.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    3:44pm
    Retired Knowall

    Oh! dear..... cut it out mate.... all that spittle and slobber is going everywhere.

    To respond to your one minute 'sole' point...... no they are not..... YET!

    So, little one.... THAT is your response!! That's it... That's all you got!

    If you are going to make inane statements and call others names, at least present something of intelligence for us to discuss at the same time???

    Sheez!
    Retired Knowall
    4th Aug 2016
    4:06pm
    Mussitate, I must apologise for my previous remarks, it has been pointed out to me by my colleagues that based on your posts on this site that you are intellectually challenged and not responsible for your lack of understanding of basic concepts. perhaps you could ask your carers to explain the purpose of a Census and the benefit to our society. They may also try to explain the process of Data Matching to you although this is probably beyond your understanding. I understand that life must be difficult for you but try not to be too concerned about change and life in general. If you are on medication, perhaps see your carer to see if it's possible to change it for something that reduces your hallucinations.
    God Bless.
    The Bronze Anzac
    26th Jul 2016
    1:49pm
    Census are very important, & therefore are quite rightly compulsory. Voting at elections are important, & therefore are quite rightly compulsory. Identification for both are necessary, & as such, there is a requirement for names &addresses as proof. All the more reason for a National I.D. Card. It's only people who have something to hide who object & reject supplying information.
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    10:10pm
    I like to keep some mystery in my life so an ID card would not suit me at all.
    Retired Knowall
    27th Jul 2016
    3:27pm
    Old geezer, they already have all your info. Data matching from all agencies and businesses takes care of that.
    Don't get caught up in the hysterics of the Drama Queens on this site.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:43pm
    But getting more intrusive as the decades go by Bronze Anzac.
    Radish
    29th Jul 2016
    4:23pm
    I am not the least worried. Ok they have all the information...who cares...can someone tell me exactly "WHAT" is going to happen with this information that will cause hell and destruction to everyone.

    As others have said they already know all about us via our Medicare, Bank Accounts, tax office etc etc.

    All a load of fearmongering by some.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    4:17pm
    Pepe La Pew

    Yeah.... fear mongering by some but more accurately, PROL bulldust by others, who would sell their country out to support a neo con fascist inept and malfeasant Liberal govt who feeds us (via FOREIGN corporate media) propaganda to aid their implementation of dinosaur neo con economic dogma that doesn't work for any nation but DOES FEED the 1% with OUR WEALTH.

    In order to ensure we accept this state of affairs, they take our DEMOCRACY and introduce laws that will assist with their subjugation and oppression of the populace through the use of INFORMATION.

    FACT:
    -The use of names and addresses in a census ensures a much greater degree of false and inaccurate information being provided.
    -The purpose of the census has therefore changed.... it is to know exactly where everyone is at a specific time, what their private information is and how to use it effectively to CONTROL the POPULACE, by the use of subjugation and oppression as our DEMOCRACY and our democratic rights are taken away... slice by slice.
    -All that IMPORTANT information that was previously anonymous, is now less accurate and of less use in forming NEW POLICIES, GOVERNANCE and DIRECTION for AUSTRALIA.

    The last point is of no concern for this Liberal neo con fascist Govt because they don't give a sh*te about future policies, governance and direction for Australia because they simply take directions (and wish lists) from the wealthy 1% via such institutions as the IPA (Institute of Public Affairs - founded by Keith Murdoch in 1943, just before Keith Murdoch consulted with Menzies to create the Liberal Party in 1944).

    Re: Medicare, Bank Accounts, ATO.... medicare is the biggest LEAK and it GIVES our information which we have no right to see ourselves (apparently), to PRIVATE Insurance Megacorps; Bank Accounts are maintained by ULTRA megacorps and only specific information is available to the ATO, although that is growing substantially, of late; So bank info goes to the ATO BUT the ATO are not allowed to give this information to anyone and even the dispersing to other departments is restricted. When GST was introduced, the legislation was drafted badly (big surprise, not) and it allowed the ATO to disperse certain commercial info which they did for a short period until it became known and stopped.

    Hence, this information is in little bits and pieces all over the place which is difficult to acquire. A census, on the other hand, is all in one and gives all your personal details, along with your identity which the govt (and those private ultra megacorps, such as Sirco, that manage the govts administrations, etc) has total access thereto. Plus, it can be checked to the other areas that maintain private information.
    Avatar
    26th Jul 2016
    2:10pm
    The solution is simple. Yes, put in your correct names and addresses as required by law. As for the other fields, put in anything you like. Don't forget that it's a snapshot, so the ABS can never prove that your response was incorrect, because it's correct at the exact time you are filling it in, in the mental condition you were in eg you just have had a quarrel with your better half, or you have fat fingers but a tiny android phone. It's the same with mandatory voting, go and get your ballot paper and do whatever you want with it and drop it in the box. The price they pay for making voting compulsory and retaining names and addresses are that the end result is meaningless. My experience with ABS has resulted in me distrusting whatever they said. In the 1990s, I dutifully filled in the Census form, which was collected. A few days later, when I returned home, my Census form was outside my front door. I lived in a busy street and anybody could have picked up my Census form and gained my personal information. This was the caliber of the then Census collectors, they were too lazy to hand back the Census form to me in person, if they want any corrections to be made. Bugger about privacy, they are going for their cup of latte and do not want to be delayed. Ever since then, I just tick the first box in all the fields.Where text is required, start each answer with A, the next with B, etc. If more than 26 questions, start the 27th with AA. Does wonders for your word games and improve your resistance to Alzhemiers!
    Young Simmo
    26th Jul 2016
    2:15pm
    Yeh Avatar, if you want to get a real kick out of voting, take a little bit of Vegimite wrapped up in paper. Then put a bit on you finger and wipe it on the Vote paper so it looks like Toilet paper, some poor bugger has to unfold it, He, He, He.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    2:34pm
    HEY young Simmo .... i love your sense of humor ......DESERVE A big big he he he he he he.
    Maybe we use real poo ???? so they get the message he he
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    4:25pm
    Sounds like a good night in with a good bottle of red before one starts to me.

    Avatar maybe I suggest you vary it a bit to help your memory some more and do the alphabet backwards this time instead. You could even try the Greek alphabet next time too.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    4:29pm
    Hey Old Geezer .... Great sense of Humor ...good mate that is better I like it no worries and yes a good red will do to confuse me much more he he he he but who care a good time is a good time with a good ride around the country ...fresh air
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    5:40pm
    Young Simmo & Aussie


    Sorry, I feel you are just trying to be 'funny' but given that I don't have a great sense of humour on such matters, I find it tasteless. You are subjecting ordinary WORKERS to puerile pranks when they are just doing their JOB.

    I just can't see the humour (witless or not), at all!
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    5:51pm
    Mussitate

    So if you do not DO BOTHER TO COMMENT
    Young Simmo
    26th Jul 2016
    5:55pm
    Mussitate, I am just sorry I won't live long enough to see Pauline Hanson get her own way with the Muslims. There, I new I could say something you would agree with.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    1:11am
    Young Simmo

    That comment is totally sick, bigotry is not allowed on this forum old chum.

    Plus it has nothing to do with this topic and nothing to do with the immediate comment.

    If an atheist can be tolerant of other peoples choice of religions why the hell can't religious people be? Aren't they supposed to attain to higher morals and love of mankind?
    Young Simmo
    27th Jul 2016
    1:19am
    Mussie, have another swig on your red mate, then you will start making some sense, HIC, Nigh, Nigh.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    1:26am
    Aussie

    I am not certain what your comment means but I have interpreted it to mean that IF I don't find it funny, don't bother to comment?

    Fair enough!

    As I stated, I just don't 'get' puerile or school yard humour so found the comments a tad offensive.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    1:29am
    Young Simmo

    You buying mate..... I love a good red!

    Be warned though, I do get rather silly when I have had too much.
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    2:18am
    Mussitate

    Mate we are adults in this forum and we get hot from time to time due to members statements so just slow down and take all this stuff very light.

    You have no idea what people has call me ...Idiot ..go home leave Australia ...stuff really offensive to the point that will make you angry but is only a forum and we all have fun one way or another just personal opinions and not really to serious.

    Do not worry too much just follow the idiots that post absolutely ridiculous statements .... I do and tell them to shut up he he he



    Hope you understand my french he he
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    2:22am
    Young Simmo .....

    Take it easy with Mussitate .... still learning the nasty rules in this forum wait a bit he will join us and tell us that we are a bunch of idiots he he he he no worries he is Ok
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    2:30pm
    Yes ...another proof of legal invasion of privacy .... Where are our rights ???? how can we defend our Rights or Privacy and many other now eroded rights ....and as we go all the little rights we have left will go ...like our superannuation rights of savings for our retirement super .......GONE IN 60 SECONDS ....What else will go ???

    If anybody need a search for ancestors there are hundreds of site you can put your name and address if you wish (Your right to do) not by force
    bob
    26th Jul 2016
    2:39pm
    first a reminder to fill in your religion as christian or go the way of theUSA where mention of the bible or christmas is banned because it could upset one of the other religions.next if this is going to be on-line or send a form to receive your papers many older people without a computer will not be able to answer as the original letters have not been sent out yet and you have to wait to receive it then fill in your request for a paper form ,then post it back to a government department ,then wait for them to send you the census form.And while this is happening we are still waiting for postal votes in the election to arrive .Fat Chance
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    3:46pm
    Just out of interest I have heard that you are going to be sent a code to do the census online. If you want to do a paper one you have to request it.

    Anyone know any more about this.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    3:55pm
    Yes that is correct you have to request a paper.
    You can do online just enter the number and that's it

    go to http://abs.gov.au/ ...all the info is there
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:46pm
    Once online they have you methinks. Computers will not accept answers which are not within the program guidelines. I will probably do the paper copy.
    Retired Knowall
    27th Jul 2016
    4:33pm
    From August 1, households will receive a letter with a unique Census Login. Every household must use it to complete the Census online, or follow the directions to order a paper form. In some locations, households will receive a paper form upfront, with the option to complete it online.

    Keep an eye out for your household letter or paper form in the mail; you will need them to complete the Census on August 9.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    4:05pm
    A NOTE FOR THE SCAMS ..... PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHEN THEY COME TO YOUR DOOR
    DO NOT LET THEM IN BE SURE THEY HAVE PROPER ID READ THIS AND BE SAFE ........

    http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/4a256353001af3ed4b2562bb00121564/de8ba33b760d9c9fca2571060079d60a!OpenDocument
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    4:13pm
    I have enough trouble with those scamsters reporting to be from the ATO wanting me to pay their fines or got taken off to gaol. They get annoyed when I ask them what the food in like in gaol.

    Then I get the windows ones so I ask if they will make me some new curtains as the old ones have holes in them.

    Solar panels ones that I say no way they things cause cancer.

    Holiday ones when I say I prefer to stay home it's more comfortable with better food.
    Richard
    26th Jul 2016
    4:18pm
    You know; I think you are all a bit daft. How do you think historians of the future will get on. I'm tracing my great uncle from 1867 and my grandmother from the same year. One came from Yorkshire and one was registered in London. Where did I get the information? From the English/British census taken every ten years and published for every ones use after (I think) 50 years for basic birth records and a hundred years for everything else with a further gap of fifty years at the end - In other words, you can't get at anything more recent than 50 years ago; but future historians will be able to study those yers in the future
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2016
    4:21pm
    All the more reason to keep them guessing.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    4:24pm
    try some of this ...may cost you some money

    http://www.findmypast.com/content/english-genealogy-records

    http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Articles/a_date_guide_to_English_genealogy_part1_page01.html

    http://www.ukgenweb.com/

    http://www.ukcensusonline.com/

    Good Luck I found my old ones from the 17's hundreds and discover a Sir Williams T...... related to my scottish family also all my relatives from Balantrade ...great stuff
    Thai Traveller
    26th Jul 2016
    4:51pm
    Most of you make it seem as if the KGB or GESTAPO want this information.

    For heavens sake, Australia is a democracy and figures such as Census details are important for forward planning, deciding where schools need to go and so on, even family trees in years ahead.

    I'm living in Thailand just now, returning home soon; here all foreigners MUST full in a multi page form detailing bank accounts, email addresses, social sites, where we go shopping, what pubs do we frequent and so on.

    We must report to Immigration every 90 days and and an overnight stay at a hotel or friends must be reported.

    Stop whingeing and get on with life and enjoy being a democracy.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    4:58pm
    Thai Traveller

    Really..... at the moment, this law (along with other so called 'security' laws) make RUSSIA more democratic than Australia.

    HOW BLOODY EMBARRASSING IS THAT!

    Thailand is a FASCIST CORRUPT state.... no wonder you think Australia is wonderful.

    Would you really like Australia to be like Thailand??? Think about it.

    No, this is HUGE.... a collection of ALL our relevant and personal data in one place with our names and addresses attached to it and held specifically by the govt for their own purposes.

    It is a lot different to splatters of SOME peoples data being available to a variety of disconnected organisations.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    5:50pm
    Mussitate

    Your ignorance is really showing and your incompetence to have the ability to discuss a subject.

    Let me inform you that Thailand may be a FASCIST CORRUPT country as you call it but the life foreigners from ALL OVER THE WORLD enjoy in this country is 100% much better than Australia where you have a nice clean country but struggle every month with payments of Electricity, Water FOOD and RENT with only a pension ????????
    In Thai our pension will pay for all that + a lot left for anything else you want to do travel and local tours to the natural environments ... so stay on your concrete city and have fun with the struggles.

    You have no Idea what you are talking about get out of your chair and TV and come and have a look how Thai people respect the old people like us.

    I have been in Thailand many times and soon my stay there so before you talk rubbish LEARN AND EDUCATE YOURSELF
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    3:59pm
    The devil is in the detail Richard. There is a point where citizens need to tell governments that they are overstepping the mark. Personal information in a Census is one such area.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    6:09pm
    Aussie

    Of course people from Australia live like kings/queens in Thailand.... doesn't make it a better place to be!

    ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! is all I am hearing here.

    What about the millions of Thais who are suffering under this disgusting regime. What, just throw them some beggar coins and you feel better. Good on ya mate!

    I have a close friend that is from Thailand but now living in Australia for some 35 years. His family and his country are suffering from the CORRUPT FASCISM that reigns there and so I get a first hand account of what is really going on in that country.

    So, why don't you actually look at Thailand and pretend you have no money, aye! That way you may..... just may..... start SEEING some reality.

    All I can say, is enjoy your REGAL presence in Thailand and don't forget the coins for the beggars and those little things you do, like not bargaining too hard.... makes you a wonderful person.

    Sorry Aussie...... don't mean to be too harsh but it is reality that I deal with and I have always SEEN TOO MUCH for my own good and just can't accept injustice, corruption and that wealth wins all attitude. I have always fought it and will be like this to my dying breathe, no doubt.
    Anne Ozzie
    26th Jul 2016
    5:01pm
    They already know all about you. The Centrelink Record Contact (CRC) number found on your pension card, your seniors health card, child endowment card, your child care claim is the de facto Australian id card. If for any reason you have to go to Centrelink they are very suspiscious if they cannot find a CRC for you. They will ask you all about your children, parents, siblings, etc until they link you to someones else on their database. Why do you think all these payments and records are linked up if not to make an Australian Identity Card?
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    5:50pm
    Anne Ozzie

    You have a good point but it is ONLY those on social security or accessing benefits and it is all over the place both with different govt sectors and even private sectors that extract your information.

    This one is EVERYONE and in ONE place with ANY question they care to ask which will, if not answered carefully, could set off a chain of events that could be devastating.

    You must remember that they can now detain you under 'security' laws without access to legal representation or the courts for a certain period of time.... THE LIBERAL GOVT ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING TO EXTEND THAT TO "INDEFINITE" secret DETENTION in Australia.

    THAT is what you call "black bagging" you just DISAPPEAR......... THAT is FASCISM.

    The USA already has this ability.

    The removal of access to a solicitor or the courts is in direct contravention of the pillars of democracy... as soon as these types of laws are introduced, we are NO LONGER A DEMOCRACY.

    26th Jul 2016
    5:03pm
    No, this is HUGE.... a collection of ALL our relevant and personal data in one place with our names and addresses attached to it and held specifically by the govt for their own purposes.

    It is a lot different to splatters of SOME peoples data being available to a variety of disconnected organisations.


    QUESTION:

    HOW did HITLER know WHO WHERE COMMUNISTS, JEWS, GYPSIES, ETC???????

    HITLER took all the information from CENSUS's which had ALL personal information, religion, political persuasion and peoples NAMES & ADDRESSES attached to it!


    RESULT:

    It is a FASCIST tool and that is where our ultra neo con Liberal Govt are taking us.... very quickly!


    DO YOU REALLY TRUST MURDOCH'S PUPPETS....... ABBOTT, TURNBULL, MORRISON, DUTTON, etc.... to cherish your rights and freedoms.

    GET REAL!!!!
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2016
    5:22pm
    Whilst times were good, they gave us democracy but as the wealthy get greedier and greedier and took too much from the people, they turn to oppression and subjugation to maintain control. THIS is only the START.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    4:01pm
    I agree with you Mussitate. Sadly average citizens can never see past the 'now' and fail to appreciate that governments are all conquering organisations which do not care about any freedoms we enjoy.
    We should all worry.

    26th Jul 2016
    5:50pm
    You must remember that they can now detain you under 'security' laws without access to legal representation or the courts for a certain period of time.... THE LIBERAL GOVT ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING TO EXTEND THAT TO "INDEFINITE" secret DETENTION in Australia.

    THAT is what you call "black bagging" you just DISAPPEAR......... THAT is FASCISM.

    The USA already has this ability.

    The removal of access to a solicitor or the courts is in direct contravention of the pillars of democracy... as soon as these types of laws are introduced, we are NO LONGER A DEMOCRACY.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    4:03pm
    I have said on a number of occasions that I fear we have a government in power wanting a dictatorship. Watch Turkey as this is happening rather fast at present and citizens think that it's a good thing? Work that one out.
    old geiser
    26th Jul 2016
    7:16pm
    I find it astounding that my wife and son who were both born in New Zealand are not permitted to vote at all levels of government and as such are non Australians yet they will be fined if they are not counted in the upcoming census.
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    7:22pm
    You do not be part of the Census if you are Overseas.
    I just send an email and confirm and is Ok I am O/S now

    Check it out on the site I send you before

    26th Jul 2016
    8:01pm
    great to see labor and union organiser mick has allowed mussolini, planb and sausy to take his place while on holidays after the elections
    Aussie
    26th Jul 2016
    8:07pm
    heemskerk99

    Join us on our fight for our rights come on come on with us ...

    Many things are happening in front of our eyes and nobody is doing anything to fight for our rights .....Super, Disclosure of private info, major changes to retirement age and more and more you and all of us are affected regardless of your financial position or pension or welfare situation

    Let's think for all of us rights
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    4:06pm
    Don't expect heemsjerk to be of any help. Seriously. This poster is a rusted on liberal hack working for the government against the rest of us. You'll never see a useful discussion from him. A real jerk!
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    6:16pm
    heemskerk99

    This new invasion of privacy and computer collation of our personal information... would have made Hitler smile with a touch of envy.

    Your rude statement suggests that you support fascist neo con endeavours ...... is this true??
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    6:33pm
    Mick.
    Yeah mate I just try once more I know I lose with this jerk and a few other ones .... I still try to push my point for our rights as long as I can and from wherever I am for the good of Australia.

    Thanks for your support
    James
    27th Jul 2016
    12:58am
    As a person who has been racing the family tree back to the UK, it would not be possible to do it if UK Census information was not available. You only get names, addresses, place of birth and some other minor data. You also record your occupation but no other personal details are available through the family research sites.

    They have been doing this in the UK since the first Census in 1841. The data is not released until 100 years after the Census was taken.

    The article says they are only keeping names and addresses, so I do not understand all of the negative comments about retaining this data.
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    1:10am
    We do not trust the Privacy of the gov. operations in Australia there has been hundreds of violations and very public so we do not trust it like info from ATO been sold to marketing agencies and others.
    Please be inform before commenting on this subject.

    Maybe ik UK is safe but not here sorry but you need to read some of the comments.

    Also UK has a bill of rights that protect your rights we do not have a Bill of Rights so our rights are open and out for the take.
    Gigi
    27th Jul 2016
    2:57pm
    Aussie - Magna Carta is foundation which underpins key constitutional doctrines, including Australian Constitution & underpins modern Human Rights Law. Both are alive & well in Australian Society
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    4:44pm
    Gigi ... No comments I prefer to keep silence for now because I am talking about the respect of our rights ......

    Sorry if I confuse you but in Australia there is very little respect for our rights ....Examples ...Super changes, Disclosure of private info, retirement age changes (Just like that with a pen brush) and many more like limits on how much you can save on your super etc. etc.

    So I just going to live it like that and up to you to decide if Bill of Rights exist or not in Australia that defend our Rights and define our duties.
    James
    27th Jul 2016
    1:02am
    Johnny, you have always had to record your name and address for every census as well as your date of birth for every person in a residence on Census night. All vital data for for family tree addicts when the data might be released in 100 years.

    It is much harder to trace Australian relatives but if the data had been kept since the first census in Australia we would only have one set of data available at this point in time.

    I am sure that none of us filling out this year's census will be around when the data would be released in 100 years if we followed the UK system.
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    1:11am
    I do not think so We do not have a bill of rights to protect us mate
    This is Australia not UK
    Strummer
    27th Jul 2016
    9:18am
    Censuses have been taken since Roman times. We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    1:17pm
    Really ????? ...You are dreaming ....really Dreaming Just do some research and you will find that ATO and other gov. agencies disclose your private and confidential info ...RESEARCH RESEARCH

    Stop Dreaming
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    4:09pm
    But Censuses were never ever as deep and personal as they are now and they were never collated and computerised. There is a difference.
    MICK
    27th Jul 2016
    4:12pm
    In Roman times they were not completely intrusive (on the pretext of gathering important information) and nor did they computerise and record your name and address.....which effectively will link a completed Census back to the person who completed it.
    There is a difference!
    Strummer
    28th Jul 2016
    7:44am
    Stop stressing folks. Enjoy your life while you have it.
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    8:42pm
    Strummer

    You would be the first to call Russia a state controlled nation, even though it is a democracy.... whilst bending over to allow neo con fascism to take over OUR democracy.

    Your contradictions indicate your compliance due solely to your allegiance to this DISGUSTING Liberal neo con Fascist Govt/regime.


    You repeat CORPORATE (Foreign) MEDIA propaganda:
    - I have nothing to hide
    - nothing to fear but fear itself
    - nothing to see here... stop stressing


    This is real
    - The recording, collating and retention of ALL information, internet interactions and conversations
    - The ability to 'black bag' any citizen, irrespective of the standard of evidence of a crime for specific periods or INDEFINITELY... this means NO ACCESS to lawyers, NO ACCESS to courts, irrespective of AGE, TORTURE TECHNIQUES able to be applied

    THIS IS NOT THE ACTIONS OF A DEMOCRATIC TRANSPARENT & ACCOUNTABLE GOVT..... it is the actions of a neo con FASCIST REGIME.... democracy has been forfeited.

    GOOD ONE Strummer...... you keep preaching Corporate (foreign) Media PROPAGANDA and enjoy your new status as a PROL.
    Gigi
    27th Jul 2016
    11:14am
    This is a 'information giveaway' society, individuals give away information about themselves, their family & activities daily on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram & even stick figures on back of car window. Try getting a Facebook page taken down irrespective of content!!
    A government availing themselves of information is nothing in comparison. If one watches "Who Do You Think You Are" in UK, Census information is recorded with names & ages of persons living in a particular house which has been of value to anyone looking for family members.
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    1:24pm
    Ok but you forgot to mention all your financial info, Debtors and Creditors commitments details all disclosed to Insurance and Credit control agencies also the Banks will disclose your info Research on the CBA and other banks.

    It is acceptable disclosure if you are a criminal and police need the info to complete an investigation otherwise is a NO NO

    And by the way this is Australia not UK ...very different countries with different rules and problems ..... You can not compare ....sorry
    Gigi
    27th Jul 2016
    2:36pm
    Aussie, I can compare!! We have a Westminster System of Law as does India, some States of USA, Canada to name just a very few countries.
    Obviously you have not heard of 'precedence law'! Where do you think we got our Australian Constitution from, try reading Canadian Constitution because we 'pinched' it from them! Constitutional experts can be from Canada or Australia because its the same with exception of very few inclusions from referendum/s.
    I wasn't advocating it was acceptable or unacceptable I was saying all our information is 'out there' so whether Census keeps doesn't keep information what is big deal.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    6:28pm
    Gigi

    No Gigi this is big time fascist neo con stuff and IF you are okay with that..... GIVEN THAT OUR Constitution does NOT cover our civil rights, NOR Common Law, NOR Legislative Law, NOR Legal Precedence...... give us sufficient RIGHTS to challenge fascist neo con REMOVAL of our civil rights and our privacy.... then what can be said.



    To support the MASSIVE access to our PRIVATE information by the GOVT without any controls or rationale is to PROMOTE CORRUPTION and encourage FASCISM and with INDEFINITE DETENTION being proposed....... what else could it possibly be.
    GrayComputing
    27th Jul 2016
    6:44pm
    Other Big Brother brick in the wall!
    It appears there are no real secure databases anywhere in the world.
    Daily we read that millions of personnel details are being hacked including "secure encrypted" databases. Government, military and medical world wide.
    So I bet our census details will be fully leaked within 3 months of the census taking place.
    Every one in Australia should be ringing their PM and complain.
    Young Simmo
    27th Jul 2016
    6:57pm
    WOW, judging by what has been written in here it seems like 95% of Australians are all crooks and got something to hide. What a mob of mental Scaredy Cats. I have nothing to worry about and couldn't care less what happens with my info. I can sleep easy, it just takes a couple of reds to settle me down. If you can all be believed, we'll need another 20,000 Judges and Magistrates to help catch up after the Census.
    particolor
    28th Jul 2016
    11:48am
    And if in hiding, Have a couple of Reds under the Bed !! :-) :-)

    27th Jul 2016
    7:01pm
    This is where we are:

    CURRENTLY:
    1. Govt have access to every bit of information that every person inputs or exports or views or types or receives from or through the internet over a two year period
    2. Govt have access to ALL our personal information which is now attached to our name and address and is collated, sorted and maintained on a computer
    3. Govt can take you from your house or anywhere and you have NO access to a lawyer or the courts for a set period of time. No one is allowed to know you are there and anyone who saw you taken are NOT allowed to report it or release it via the media, otherwise that person or persons will suffer their removal in the same way as that person previously taken

    PROPOSED:
    Point 3 above.... is to be extended to INDEFINITE DETENTION..... this is BLACK BAGGING people.... anyone at anytime can just DISAPPEAR..... end of story!


    THERE is NO:

    1. Transparency
    2. Accountability
    3. Ability to address improprieties or abuses


    These new unprecedented laws REMOVE the ESSENCE of OUR DEMOCRACY.



    We are being SET UP to embrace STATE FASCISM for the purpose of CONTROLLING the POPULACE..... and maintaining the ultra wealthy status quo....... FASCISM.




    IF anyone 'rocks' the boat OR if they are about to step into a HIGH and powerful POSITION and deemed unsuitable due to their HONESTY and ANTI CORRUPTION views (for example)..... then they can easily be dealt with:

    1. If they have a PUBLIC profile.... the authorities can just trawl through the masses of information obtained and come up with some SCANDAL, such as viewing children on line, for instance (whether real or not.... it is digitised information and can be altered without trace) - that will ensure they back off.
    2. If they don't have a public profile and they are a serious threat to the disclosure of CORRUPT DEALINGS by the govt or the wealthy elite..... then they just disappear.


    With these NEW fascist laws..... WE ARE NO LONGER A DEMOCRATIC STATE but a FASCIST one.
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    7:18pm
    Muss..
    That is why we need a bill or Rights to be able to defend our rights and duties and we do not have one but we call ourself a Democratic country ...really ???
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    7:33pm
    Definitely need something Aussie!

    Don't fancy being part of the hoards of no consequence to the almighty ultra wealthy few.

    The USA has had an incredible constitution that has saved the American Citizens for some time now.... unfortunately the corruption is that bad in that country that even the COURTS of LAW are controlled by corporate wealth and they have WHITE ANTED this wonderful constitution.

    If we did have a bill of rights, it would definitely be a start because our constitution gives us bugger all really.

    How do you get this Liberal Govt to look at a bill of rights when they are intent on removing as much of our rights as they possibly can????

    The concept of a REPUBLIC could spearhead a movement for a Bill of Rights BUT that is exactly WHY this govt has pushed this concept to the back burner!
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    7:42pm
    Muss ... Yes USA is in a total mess I work in Merryland for 3 years on an IT Australian company and was very nice and relax but today is incredible how they destroy themselves.

    We are going the same way in the next few years we will be the same or worse.
    For now my kids have to wait until they are 70 to be able to retire and control their super.
    "Super"...??? only if the gov. allow them to have some left for their future.
    Even if you have properties (For rental income) Taxes will kill you

    So future is very dark for my kids
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    7:45pm
    The only way to became a republic is to really get a leader with Balls that is able to control the country and get us the correct way .... but I am not sure we have that at the moment because all our politicians are seat warmers just to get a nice pension and keep theirs jobs

    ....They do not work for us they work for themselves.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    8:00pm
    great to see mussolini, our great union delegate and labor member micky and do not forget their assistant sausy, who himself has stated that he would be overseas during the census, with other words, trying to hide or not being game enough to answer questions like: where you live, are you on a pension, are you working, are you living with a partner, are you double dipping on the pension, the dole etc. as many so called australians are doing now or not giving the real address you are living, but your mates or parents address, they are just as guilty, you only pick up your mail from, hopefully all your cheats will be caught out so the real and honest tax payers of Australia, still the majority will be satisfied to know where their taxes are going
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    8:05pm
    heemskerk99
    Still PO with us he he he he

    Nothing to do ...go to the movies or walk to your local coffee shop and chat with someone do not waist your time here he he he he

    No No No is about 8PM maybe time to go to bed hey hey good idea.

    See U Heem ....have fun if you can he he he he
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    8:06pm
    great to see my reply is the only one in these columns markt remove, is this the censorship lifechoises is embarking on
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    8:08pm
    Hemm ... Well maybe he he he he
    of course after you report everybody you do like their comments for sure we get removed

    Thanks for reporting us
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    8:13pm
    Hey I got reported by heemskerk99 now any comments get removed

    he he he he no class at all
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    8:33pm
    as usual, sausies commemts are inane, we all expected that, sausy, please do us a favour, please come up with some original comments instead of the senseless, idiotic, typical insane and warped brain storms, he he he, this is his best comment and also his favorite saying, it states enough about his employment as being a stubby short in a six-pack
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    8:36pm
    Heemm...

    Beautiful I love it yes yes yes Stubby and a nice beer on my hand yeahhh great stuff ...

    Thanks a lot I need another V V on your name he he he he
    Have fun my dear
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    8:38pm
    sorry I made a mistake, sausy does not state he he he three times he has improver and now states it 4 times, he he he he what education can do fo you
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    8:39pm
    Sorry Heemm ... no original comments.

    All I know is to highlight the need to defend your and all of us rights and duties the rest is not important
    So yes not even your nasty comments are important

    To busy drinking ....see U he he he he
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    8:40pm
    French madam Heemm just French from Paris he he he (3) and one more he (4)
    Aussie
    27th Jul 2016
    8:48pm
    Heemm ...

    Just in case you want to know what I am doing and spending the gov. money click here

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g311329-d312206-Reviews-Kosrae_Nautilus_Resort-Kosrae.html

    Good Night
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2016
    10:43pm
    heemskerk99

    You are so concerned about the social security cheats .... amounting to millions when the big boys rip Australia in the billions and you cringe in a corner bowing and scraping to them as if they are of any worth at all to this country.

    Social Welfare CHEATS are like fleas .... bitey and itchy but easily dealt with.

    The ultra wealthy and their corporations, especially foreign corporations do very little for Australia... they take and give nothing back. They are like big fat parasites that stick and feed on the blood of Australia, gorging themselves and like all of these sorts of parasites, they eventually kill their hosts. These are so much harder to deal with, you need to burn them off and make sure they don't leave their head behind to fester AND when you do get them off they could leave behind their diseases, especially Lyme disease... always there debilitating the country and no one knows how to repair the damage.

    Just look towards the USA, you can easily see this heemskerk99.

    So rather than just calling people inane names, how about inventing a way to get rid of the gorging parasitical ticks that feed off this country..... the ultra wealthy and their (mostly foreign) megacorporations..... these are the parasites that are leading us to fascism, with them in control of our marionette Govt.
    Avatar
    28th Jul 2016
    1:03pm
    Young Simmo wrote: WOW, judging by what has been written in here it seems like 95% of Australians are all crooks and got something to hide...

    What a load of bullshit. I have offer this challenge to a few people and strangely, no one has ever accepted. Put your money where your mouth is. Give me your password and username, the names of your bank account, your birth date and the names and birthdate of all your relations. You did say that "you have nothing to hide"
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    3:18pm
    Avatar

    :-) good one!

    Sticks it to those self righteous ones who believe the bulldust of "I have nothing to hide" and other PROPAGANDA spewed forth by a neo con style govt who closely resemble a fascist regime.
    Young Simmo
    28th Jul 2016
    4:05pm
    Avatar, when you finally get out of kindergarten and start at Primary school call me again, in the meantime you and Mastibate make a good pair.
    How do sleep at night if you are all that scared?
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2016
    6:17pm
    Young Simmo

    WE ACTUALLY USE OUR INTELLIGENCE..... why don't you give it a go mate!


    I noticed you changed MasterBate (the best debater ever) to Mastibate (the thing YOU know way too much about).

    That sort of schoolyard bully stuff merely reflects upon yourself old chum.... can't answer or respond with intelligence, so TROLL and spit poison.

    I love it when I am asked to play the game of inanity & ugliness... I do it with glee and enthusiasm....

    Do come along then YS, your move, old thing.
    Avatar
    28th Jul 2016
    4:10pm
    Brave Young Simmo,

    Just quit talking. Where's your username and passwords for all your (including bank) accounts. Show us how brave you are.
    Young Simmo
    28th Jul 2016
    4:35pm
    My username is:
    "Smarter than you"

    My password is:
    "Wake up dickhead"

    My Bank is:
    "The Grate Bank Of mars"

    Now tell me the name of your Psychiatrist, so I can ring him and tell him to double no, triple your medication.
    Avatar
    28th Jul 2016
    4:45pm
    Re Young Simmo,

    I rest my case.
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    5:27pm
    Avatar ....easy easy you may get a heart attack this is only a forum and should be taken like that so easy easy have a glass .... or better a full bottle of RED to easy up your anger .....maybe need to play the game .... "Angry Birds" ......

    he he he Have fun and enjoy Young Simmo sense of humor
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    6:00pm
    sausy you forgot your 4th he, better get an other bottle of red into you.
    Young Simmo
    28th Jul 2016
    6:05pm
    Yeh Aussie, spot on life is too short to carry on like Avatar and Masterbate. I'm having a beaut day my self because I can feel first Div in Powerball coming my way. ZIPIDY DOO DARR, ZIPPIDY AAAAA.
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    6:55pm
    Young Simmo

    Thank you for recognising that I am the MASTER of DEBATE and putting it together in one word.... I am sure that applies to Avatar as well and I will be presumptuous and thank you on his behalf.

    Cheers old thing.


    heemskerk99
    You following Aussie around, addressing him personally but not using his correct avatar name and not addressing the topic but putting your thumb on another commenter. Not only against the rules of YLC but coming very close to 'trolling' someone, I would think. Ah! but I am not that up with these things....

    Anyway, take a break, put your feet up and enjoy!
    Young Simmo
    28th Jul 2016
    7:01pm
    Good idea Mussi, lets all go back to the start line, mind you I can't garrantee Mick wont chuck a spanner in the works. Uh-Oh here I go again.
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    8:44pm
    Young Simmo
    A spanner is alright.... its the wrench you have to worry about!
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    11:43pm
    Mussitate

    Do worry heemskerk99 love me a lot she follows me all the time is Ok I may take her for a ride then Dinner and a great time full of fun
    I will send her a ticket for a visit to the sunshine here he he he he
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    5:37pm
    Ok Ok .... time for a Pina colada on my favorite restaurant in from of the beach looking at all this wonderfull people and chat chat chat with my local friends and forget about this forum for a while .....Life is to short and I still kickin hard so Bye Bye for now

    Do the same and go out is only about 5+pm in Australia ... In Bali is beautiful and warm come over for a visit Highly recommended ...out of the cold weather ...good for the old bones. he he he
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    6:14pm
    sausy again you forgot your 4th "he" and still dreaming, still sleeping under that bridge?
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    7:00pm
    Aussie
    Enjoy yourself and I am sure you will give 'respect' to the locals... I am aware of some shocking behaviour of some Australians in Bali.


    heemskerk99
    Obsession is not a good thing.... you could actually find that you don't agree with a commenter on many subjects but then find that you are on the very same 'page' on a particular topic.

    So take it easy, aye!
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    11:16pm
    One more "he" for my dear friend Heemm

    I am easy here soon back to AU to see the political mess and future prepared for all of us
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    11:34pm
    No worries Muss respects keep respects and I have a very good bunch of local friends we all bykers from a long time and they keep my Low Ryder Bike i purchase last year all damage and I just finish repairing so they keeping it secure when I am away so yes good friends and lots of fun.

    Have a look at a pic of similar to my byke from the net ...

    http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/classifieds/dealer/3392582/1791696796/420x315/0.jpg?quality=75

    Mate heaps of fun and total freedom ... you should try it if possible
    Young Simmo
    28th Jul 2016
    11:43pm
    Sorry Aussie, but my 1952 Triumph Tiger 100, with Sprung Hub and all alloy 500cc Engine with the nude lady painted on the tank was better looking.

    OUCH!
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2016
    11:43pm
    Aussie

    I keep away from motor bikes, especially those ones, as I have a wild side which these things bring out.

    All right you lot out there STOP LAUGHING..... I do have a wild side... okay!!!!
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    11:48pm
    Young Simmo you are hurting me OUCH! OUCH!

    I use to have in my early day in France a Triumph 4 strokes great bike.
    I pick up this bike from a guy that got it on his garage for a long time and he went back to UK because he got sick and his Bali lady sold it to me cheap is great bike now that I fixed runs well I change rings and reset the head new gaskets plugs reassemble and new battery all good running well
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    11:51pm
    SO THE TRUES JUST COME OUT .....OWOWOWOWO Mussitate IS A WILD ONE >>>>>>>>> WELCOME TO THE CLUB OF THE WILD ONES

    OK Let's do the wild thing ..... Oppppps careful my dear heemskerk99 may get jealous ...just whisper
    Aussie
    28th Jul 2016
    11:55pm
    SOMETHING TO REMEMBER BOYS and Girls >>>>>>>>>

    THE GOOD OLD DAYS YEAHHHAHHAHHAHH I STILL GOING on the wild side ...Join me .....

    https://selvedgeyard.com/2009/06/10/13-rebels-mc-wild-motorcycle-gang/
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2016
    12:00am
    Yeh Aussie, my very first bike was about a 1950 BSA Bantam 125. I took the head to work and machined about 1/4 inch off the head and could then get up to 50 1/2 MPH instead of 50 MPH. Had it for about a month and then went out one night in the rain, ran into the door of a Vanguard car, (Built like a tank). Picked myself up and said to the driver who didn't give way to the right, "It's all right mate, I haven't got a license, not your fault". and buzzed off. Fairly normal for a 17 year old.
    Aussie
    29th Jul 2016
    12:10am
    Mate I can do high speed with mine but scare to shit when I get over 100K or 110KK that it ........ but all the guys slow down for me ....not 25/30 any more now on my 70's must be a little careful but just a little he he he he

    The bike is only 1500cc 5 speed 4 stroke 45 degrees V-Twin OHC no radiator just air cooler ..... nice engine bike is heavy I have drop it 2 times already but rides like an angel

    1950 BSA a classic Tank ...great bike and very strong I remember and fast

    Do you still ride ???
    Aussie
    29th Jul 2016
    12:13am
    My uncle had an Standard Vanguard 2 doors ...Funny car
    Yes very normal he he
    Anonymous
    29th Jul 2016
    5:42pm
    sausy, sausy, only two he he, what is wrong, your dreaming of being in foreign places instead of sleeping under your favorite bridge must be affecting your mental, not much hope there reading your replies, capacities, just have another swig of your cask.
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2016
    6:13pm
    heemskerk99, I'll give ya a tip mate.
    Go to school and learn the English language.
    Then when you come back to Australia, learn how to talk Aussie.
    Then go down to the beach and pull the not undone on a Aussie Sheila's Bikini top.
    Then go to the emergency dept and say, I was only doing what I was told, I don't know why she gave me a black eye.

    I really am trying to help mate.
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2016
    5:08pm
    simple on his bike has hit the wall again
    Bren
    30th Jul 2016
    11:01am
    How do they know that the information you provide is going to be true? Like compulsory voting ... you can always vote informal with nobody the wiser.
    Radish
    30th Jul 2016
    4:46pm
    To those who object to filling in the Census form put your money where your mouth is and just pay the fine...problem solved.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2016
    5:35pm
    Pepe La Pew
    The problem - the penalty is stated as up to $180 which is okay BUT I believe that there is also a DAILY penalty for as long as it is not completed.

    Your comment is a little 'in your face' but I can be like that also. It is interesting to note, however that YOU support neo con FASCISM Pepe La Pew JUST because you support the Liberal Party without question.

    Many people in Germany supported Hitler and anything he did and he brought in DRACONIC LAWS that removed peoples RIGHTS and controlled the MEDIA to propagandise the populace. Sounds familiar, doesn't it.

    Here is a poem......

    "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

    ....... by Pastor Martin Niemöller




    If the Liberal Govt get their way and INDEFINITE DETENTION ('black bagging' - total disappearance of Australian citizens - to be subject to "extraordinary rendition"... ie TORTURE) with NO ability to seek Legal or Court adjudication. NO govt transparency, NO accountability and NO democracy.

    Does that sound like a DEMOCRACY or does it sound like a FASCIST STATE.

    The very foundations of DEMOCRACY are that every person has access to legal representation and access to a court of law ..... without this PILLAR of Australian Democracy... THIS is NO DEMOCRACY, there is only STATE FASCISM. End of story.
    In Outer Orbit
    30th Jul 2016
    7:13pm
    Two thoughts to consider, if interested;

    First we are all now entering the new world of 'big data'. Like it or not, it's here and it will change the nature of our society and how Governments attempt to govern us, if they can keep up with it at all. Those that hold digital information already wield enormous financial power. This is the only reason a 'trivial' service like Facebook is valued in the hundreds of billions, and why its juvenile founder Zuckerberg is currently financing research into solar powered pilot-less aircraft to circulate over areas of remote Africa, to access even more customers and hence gather yet more data. Facebook manages the digital footprint of over 1.5 billion users, and within that information is a great deal more highly personal exposure than any Government census requires. This scale of data management puts into context the Australian government's handling of the statistical data of only 23 million citizens,ie this is less than chicken feed against the big picture. This scale of data collection also explains why these global corporations are now a direct challenge to National Governments and their 'control' systems (ie Facebook, Amazon, Google etc). So, in our current debate over a teeny-weeny Australian census, we all need to be aware of the far bigger game-change which is already happening across the world and is going to affect us all, like it or not.

    Second thought is that the current world population of 7.3 billion is expected to reach 8.5 billion by 2030, 9.7 billion in 2050 and 11.2 billion in 2100, according to the UN projections. Already the planet is struggling to cope environmentally and socially. Across the world, as in Australia, we cannot build new housing fast enough to keep up. There is no way that we are going to survive this growth if we all expect to be left in 'privacy' to 'do our own thing' however each of us sees fit. How people live and what any of us does is going to have to continue to be increasingly regulated, to ensure our own mutual well-being and survival. We know this regulation and intrusion goes against the grain of anyone of independent spirit, but it is a case of the needs of the majority trumping any space for remotely 'anti-social' private behaviour. It makes no difference how any of us feels about it, the simple reality is that 11 billion people will have to be very tightly controlled, or huge numbers will suffer and potentially not survive. If you feel that the current Australian census approach is an affront, enjoy the smell of your coffee and just be glad you won't still be around in 2100.

    31st Jul 2016
    5:55pm
    In Outer Orbit

    At least you have presented a considered opinion.


    However, I totally disagree with this propagandised account of HOW IT MUST BE..... given to us by the 1% that control the worlds wealth through their megacorps.

    The hoards mean nothing to them BUT they don't have to resemble a hoard. People who have safety, a meagre income, a place to live do not rape, pillage and murder.

    ALL the unrest in the world has been created by the 1% and their megacorps.

    They don't negotiate to SHARE another country's land & oil & resources, they want ALL the PROFITS and create wars and political upheaval, destruction and devastation, leaving people to starve, die and kill each other.

    It is NOT something that has to happen UNLESS we continue to be the indoctrinated who believe the abjectly greedy, brutal, disgusting human beings that make up the 1% who operate through the anonymity of their artificial megacorps. THEY think we are the scourge that stops their RIGHTS as the RULING FEW and they set us against each other..... racism, bigotry and hatred, together with their wealth and military and other intervention, are their tools of trade.

    The USA is a prime example... the 1% are that greedy, they even cast their own people and country into the realms of collapse, through their abject greed, brutality and control of the media (propagandising and indoctrinating the masses so they fight each other and are that undereducated that they believe what they are fed.... completely).

    REMEMBER: It DOES NOT have to be the way that the wealthy elite 1% TELL US it has to be!!!!

    It is a fallacy...... the world with all its population worked a lot, lot, lot better with DEMOCRACY than ever before......

    .......THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO TURN TO FASCISM other than to PROTECT the WEALTH of the WEALTHY ELITE who have taken 95% of the worlds wealth for themselves!

    THINK PEOPLE!

    DON'T BE INDOCTRINATED with the PROPAGANDA of the most abject, disgusting human beings which make up the 1%.
    Young Simmo
    31st Jul 2016
    6:03pm
    WELL, WELL, WELL, I just Googled, "Boring Crap" and guess what the answer was that came up ?
    Wait for it,

    Census 2016: Boycotters would face fines.

    Can be found on Your Life Choices, go to the top of the class Mussi.
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2016
    6:27pm
    Young Simmo

    Oh! dear little one..... too much for you I see.

    Firstly, you must write 100 lines "I must not tell firfies and spew inanities" and when you finish that you can got to the little boys seat at the back of the class and colour in the picture of a motor bike.

    That's the boy..... no noise mind you, myself and the other students will be discussing and debating intelligent topics.

    Off you go now!
    Young Simmo
    31st Jul 2016
    6:44pm
    My wife keeps telling me I am a stirrer, I keep saying you are wrong darling, just ask M U u SS I, err what's HIS NAME.
    You know that bloke that needs a 10,000 words to say Good Morning!
    Anonymous
    31st Jul 2016
    11:40pm
    Young Simmo

    YOU have a wife!!!!!! No!... really! Say hello and give her my full admiration.... what a woman!!!!!

    Words...... I usually say what I have to say in about 100 words but I always write to my audience and hence, I have to simplify things so much, it takes 100 times the amount of words.

    .... all that extra work, just for you.
    Young Simmo
    1st Aug 2016
    12:08am
    Tomorrow is another day, see ya then.
    Danniel came 2nd, that is good enough for me.
    Avatar
    31st Jul 2016
    11:50pm
    Re Facebook; China was smart enough to ban it and Google
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2016
    1:54am
    Avatar

    That's because both Facebook & Google (megacorps owned by the 1%) have very strong links to CIA & NSA.... a foreign power who accesses all Australian's private information and stores it.

    It is bad enough that our own country spies on us, but to allow a FOREIGN country to spy on us is well is truly unacceptable. The USA is a country that has done little for Australia, except STEAL our trade and make us a terrorist target.

    Can you imagine the outrage if it was China or Russia that was collecting and storing all our information in such huge volumes, rather than the USA/megacorps.

    Here are some links that are interesting:

    https://www.wired.com/2010/07/exclusive-google-cia/

    http://www.infowars.com/googles-deep-cia-and-nsa-connections/

    ...easy to find lots of articles through 'google'... rather ironic, aye!
    Avatar
    2nd Aug 2016
    5:04pm
    Mussitate,

    China and Russia does have our information. The media has reported a few months ago, that China has hacked, silently, the US Govt employees database. I am sure that our new ASIO building is riddled with as yet undiscovered Chinese sensors. I think the ABS database would be a walk in the park for them.
    PIXAPD
    1st Aug 2016
    1:56pm
    I'll freely give my name, they know about folks from the Electrol roll anyway. The honest person has nothing to hide, and it's good to say 'HEY here I am'...ha ha ha. I will do the Census online.
    Young Simmo
    1st Aug 2016
    5:38pm
    I'm with you on this one PIXAPD, you don't have to go looking for trouble just toe the line and you will probably die of old age like the average person.
    Probably 5% of the population are never happy, and always looking for something to bellyache about.
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2016
    7:28pm
    .
    .
    .
    .
    They do what they are told, they believe every bit of propaganda..... they are fully indoctrinated into the realms of me, me, me....

    ...they DO NOT THINK

    They hand over all their rights, they do not participate in the management of the country, they hand over all controls and authority to those that slink around in the shadows, they demand NO transparency, they demand NO accountability, they demand NO oversight....

    ...they DO NOT THINK

    They are oblivious to those that simply disappear, they allow their neighbours to be taken, they allow them to be treated with "extraordinary rendition", they see, hear and say nothing....

    ...they DO NOT THINK

    Anything beyond the realms of me, me, me..... are of no consequence, they are of no importance, they are given no consideration....

    ...they DO NOT THINK


    T H E Y ... A R E ... P R O L S !
    Young Simmo
    1st Aug 2016
    7:56pm
    That's better 9,999 words to say good morning !!!!!
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2016
    8:49pm
    As I said... I write according to my readers and their special needs.

    Your special needs.... at the moment anyway.... are obvious to all! You need to learn to COUNT!
    Young Simmo
    1st Aug 2016
    9:04pm
    Wrong again Mussi, my special needs right now is, how to get 31 cans out of a 30 block.
    Avatar
    1st Aug 2016
    5:29pm
    PIXAPD,

    You obviously missed the interchange between Young Simmo and I. Offer the same challenge to you. Since you have nothing to hide, why not post all your usernames and passwords for all your accounts in this forum? No one has ever accepted my challenge although they all swear blind that they have nothing to hide. OK OK. I will make it easier for you my friend. Once you have filled in the Census, place a copy in this forum. This might be better as instead of only the faceless public servants getting your information, the forum members will know all about you. and they are your friends.
    Aussie
    1st Aug 2016
    11:51pm
    I am against disclosing my private information but as my duty I have to do it.

    SO FOR THIS IDIOTS THAT WANT TO BOYCOTT THE CENSUS JUST THINK ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY THAT YOU CALL A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY ... IT IS YOUR DUTY TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION EVEN IF YOU DISAGREED

    IF YOU CONSIDER AUSTRALIA A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY THEN DO YOUR DUTY

    I disagree but i will comply with my duty because I believe that if I have rights I also have Duties so before you boycott THINK THINK and do your citizen duty because is important to define the needs of the country in some critical areas
    In Outer Orbit
    2nd Aug 2016
    6:40am
    That's certainly a patriotic outlook Aussie.

    When does a patriotic duty become accountable, and to whom? Your average Stalinist thought he was doing his duty. Forgive me, no insult is meant by that comparison, but hopefully the point is clear enough that fulfilling any obligation just out of a sense of duty can become very problematic.

    A concern with big data is that meta-analyses allow powerful interests to understand us all better than we even know ourselves. Use of our credit cards alone enables organisations to predict a great deal about each of us, which is why stores are so keen we buy loyalty cards and share even more about ourselves. Big data analysis was used intensively in Obama's election campaign for example, to apparently powerful effect. I expect Trump is gaining influence by similar means - like him or loathe him the man is no fool. Big data possession and analysis might be amoral of itself, just another tool, like the internet, but this does not mean it is benign.

    Information is power. It's a very old cliche, but never truer than today. Is there a flip side to creating this power then, that giving away our information makes us weaker individually, and more vulnerable to influence and exploitation? Is power a 'zero sum' game or can we safely empower Government without any personal risk? Ask the North Koreans, or even the Turks, if you're not sure.

    We may wish to believe our Governments are benign. Looking around the world it is not hard to see that most Governments are not benign, but in reality are a powerful elite exploiting their own masses, and attempting to gain influence and control anyway they can, including by brute force and intimidation in too many cases. This exploitation used to be via religious diktat, and still is in some places. The Church of England was the most powerful landowner in the UK at one time/ Thanks to education, most of us can now see thro snake oil, so the powerful have likewise moved on to newer and less obvious techniques.

    So, is it an ethical duty to hand over personal information? Or is it an ethical duty to refuse? Or should we at least expect to be paid for what we must share, rather than fined for what we prefer to withold? Whose information is this? Who is the customer and who the buyer?

    For my money these are not straightforward issues at all and as data capture and management grows in application, the ethics and 'duties' around it will also have to develop. At this stage who knows where all this will end up. We haven't begun to socially contain the internet, which continues to reap all kinds of unforeseen and undesirable consequences globally, along with the all the benefits it also allows. Perhaps the genie is out of the bottle and can never be recaptured and controlled.

    At the end of the day, we all still want to have faith in something, or someone. It's a very cold planet to live on otherwise.

    Personally, notwithstanding all concerns above, I'd still be firmly with Aussie, and trust Australian democracy to keep trying to do the right thing by the population as best it can, and so I'd support it whenever asked to. Not many countries in the world are anywhere near so lucky.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    3:05pm
    Aussie

    ?????? HOW can FASCIST neo con laws support a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY..... IT IS ONES DUTY(?) to oppose NON-DEMOCRATIC and DRACONIAN laws, that will turn our country into a FASCIST STATE.

    What is this patriotic DUTY stuff!!!! We are not Americans, we are Australian and we are educated and not stuffed full of the wealthy elite's indoctrination of... the patriot... the flag... the hand on your heart anthems.

    We are Australia, we are free...... IF you allow this bulldust neo con FASCIST govt to TAKE your rights and turn us into CONTROLLED PUPPETS, then YOU are the one that is UNAUSTRALIAN.


    In Outer Orbit

    Again, a well written comment... even though most that need to read it, do not have the inclination or capacity to do so.

    Then we get to the LAST PARAGRAPH and you throw everything out the window with a crass statement like "trust Australian democracy".... by supporting neo con state fascism!!

    If you were presenting your comment to any educational facility, you would have failed... not because of the content which is good but because of the conclusion drawn from the content.... there is NO CORRELATION and nothing to support the conclusion you have presented.
    PIXAPD
    2nd Aug 2016
    10:35am
    When you have NOTHING then you have nothing TO HIDE...it's the RICH that are afraid HA HA AH
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    3:06pm
    Pixapd

    Why would the rich be afraid...... they will not disclose...... it is only the PROLS that are unafraid and willing to comply.
    PIXAPD
    2nd Aug 2016
    10:47am
    Many folks have their name a address in the phone book, they don't seem to mind that INFO. GET A LIFE folks...... who cares if the ABS wants your name and address...... all you conspiracy theorists have been listening to too many Americans.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    3:09pm
    PIXAPD

    Your name and address in the phone book doesn't give a neo con fascist govt, anything more than they already know??????

    The census gives them everything they DON'T know and WANT to know about every PROL and those they need to control!

    2nd Aug 2016
    4:45pm
    .




    They do what they are told, they believe every bit of propaganda..... they are fully indoctrinated into the realms of me, me, me....

    ...they DO NOT THINK

    They hand over all their rights, they do not participate in the management of the country, they hand over all controls and authority to those that slink around in the shadows, they demand NO transparency, they demand NO accountability, they demand NO oversight....

    ...they DO NOT THINK

    They are oblivious to those that simply disappear, they allow their neighbours to be taken, they allow them to be treated with "extraordinary rendition", they see, hear and say nothing....

    ...they DO NOT THINK

    Anything beyond the realms of me, me, me..... are of no consequence, they are of no importance, they are given no consideration....

    ...they DO NOT THINK


    T H E Y ... A R E ... P R O L S !





    CORPORATE (Foreign) MEDIA propaganda:
    - I have nothing to hide
    - nothing to fear but fear itself
    - nothing to see here... stop stressing


    This is real
    - The recording, collating and retention of ALL information, internet interactions and conversations
    - The ability to 'black bag' any citizen, irrespective of the standard of evidence of a crime for specific periods (current) or INDEFINITELY (proposed)... this means NO ACCESS to lawyers, NO ACCESS to courts, irrespective of AGE, TORTURE TECHNIQUES able to be applied and you just "disappear".

    This is NOT the ACTIONS of a DEMOCRATIC TRANSPARENT & ACCOUNTABLE GOVT..... it is the actions of a neo con FASCIST REGIME.... democracy has been forfeited.

    Keep absorbing without thought Corporate (foreign) Media PROPAGANDA and enjoy your new status as a PROL.
    Young Simmo
    2nd Aug 2016
    5:16pm
    Hey MUSSI, have you ever heard that saying,
    " A STORM IN A TEACUP" ????
    Avatar
    2nd Aug 2016
    5:57pm
    Mussi,

    I think that some people just cannot be educated as they live in Never Never land. They are just like sheeps being led to slaughter, and waxing lyrical about it, all the way to the executioners block. They can't tell the difference between a Voluntary offer of information in return for some benefit as opposed to a Mandatory demand for information without any demonstrable benefit to the aggrieved party (being able to check ancestry is not a benefit when the dangers is all out of proportion). Having spent four years in NZ, I now have more respect for them than some of the old sheeps here. At least the Kiwis has the intestinal fortitude to ban any vessels, including those from the US, that bears nuclear weaponry. Hope those old sheeps here don't bleat too much when the information is used against them. Not likely, as they complain about anything under the sun but will not take even the slightest measure to protect themselves, and more importantly, their children and grandchildren of creeping totalitarian control.
    maxchugg
    2nd Aug 2016
    5:41pm
    If our personal privacy was so important in the past that we were assured that names would be immediately removed from the forms, now that personal details are to be retained, the logical question is why has our privacy become less important?

    Logically our security should have greater protection now than in the past when identity theft, for example was not a problem?

    The truth is, of course, that the privacy laws serve no purpose other than to create an illusion that our privacy is protected.

    Hopefully we are not heading towards the same path as the Third Reich where census material was used to track down people the Nazis wished to locate and either persecute or eliminate.
    Young Simmo
    2nd Aug 2016
    6:51pm
    We seem to be overloaded with " No it all's " in here that are all so clever. I wonder if even one of them has some factual information about how many people have been harmed over the last 10 years by stolen personal information. In my 76 years I have not heard of anybody, but then I have had a sheltered life. If you do have any Info, please try to keep it under 10,000 words as my beer will get hot.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    7:53pm
    Young Simmo

    Duh! That is the whole point for christ sake ..... think man!

    Those before us have fought long and hard to ensure we are safe from governments and corporations.

    YOU and people like you, have become complacent and slack and lazy about your rights and privacy.... just assuming they will always be there and being complicit in your abject and total compliance to fascist neo con duplicity.
    Young Simmo
    2nd Aug 2016
    8:13pm
    More waffle but no answer, Mussi you are certainly a specialist at waffling but, not at feasible information.
    You can be a scared little mouse, I will just rock on.
    If I do loose a million bucks because of stolen information, you will be the first to know, don't hold your breath as a blue face is funny.
    In Outer Orbit
    2nd Aug 2016
    9:24pm
    Planet earth calling Young Simmo.

    Fraud via identity theft (ie stolen personal information) is one of the fastest growing crimes across the world. It's pretty harmful.

    Turkey is rounding up 1000s of people who the state has suddenly identified as its enemy within. How did they know immediately who to target? Try life under Putin.

    History is full of similar examples; The Stasi (East German secret police) oppressed and controlled its population for years via covert collection of personal information; they had paper files on huge numbers of their own citizens, still available to be read today, revealing neighbour betraying neighbour etc. All very harmful to innocent people.

    All that apart, IMHO it's also right to keep a sense of proportion here. Mussi criticises my lack of evidence above to support my trust in Australian Government. I say look around with a more global view, and differentiate among the distinct power structures to be found. Many Australian cities are rated today among the very best places in the world to live. That is a reflection of many things, not least long term benign Government intent towards the Australian population itself. Without that, Australia would not be such an outstanding place to live for so many. This is hard evidence of the relative high quality of Australian Government and democracy over many years.

    I agree with Mussi that people need to continue to monitor and pay close attention to the developing area of IT and data collection. We must also accept that there has to be sacrifice of privacy and regulation as global population pressures increase. The only alternative is to fight each other for scarce resources.

    These are very serious issues, well worth debate, but IMHO there is no case for paranoia about an Australian Government census. That's just one point of view, among many. If we can live and let live, life will go on for all.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    10:10pm
    In Outer Orbit

    I agree with most of what you have written (again) but I disagree that with more population that it is inevitable that we must sacrifice privacy, freedom and democracy.

    There is NO VALID REASON to allow our govts to TAKE our privacy, freedoms and democratic rights especially when we allow our govts to NOT be transparent, open, accountable and who are able to suppress, oppress and subjugate with no overview of the people.

    Our govts are acting with duplicity and double standards.

    GOVERNMENTS SHOULD ALWAYS be AFRAID of its PEOPLE and NOT the PEOPLE AFRAID of their GOVERNMENTS.

    It is OUR country and it does NOT belong to a few politicians who are acting against our own interests and in the interests of foreign megacorps and their leashholders.


    Pope Francis
    "Humanity should be served by wealth and not ruled by it"

    Benjamin Franklin
    "Those who give up essential liberties to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety"

    Dwight D Eisenhower
    "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking is freedom..."

    Angela Merkel
    "Democracy must be our answer to terrorism"


    Pope Francis is the best Pope ever (even being an Atheist... I would follow this man and as I have a huge amount of respect for him)

    Angela Merkel is one of the ONLY govts talking about democracy when most other govts are working to control the populace with laws removing democracy and allowing non-transparency, no accountability, no openness by govts who are supposed to be OUR representatives AND NOT OPPRESSORS!

    ... these oppressive laws are steps down the road to FASCISM designed purely to PROTECT THE WEALTH OF THE WEALTHY 1% from the populace, taking back their share!

    Without the 1%'s wars, oppression, torture and control of our governments, we would not have terrorism, we would not have devastation and wars... we would have relative peace and from which democracy would flow.
    Anonymous
    2nd Aug 2016
    10:28pm
    The census is merely ONE of the many of our laws that have changed to accommodate fascist design.

    For instance, ANYONE can be removed and made to disappear BUT at the moment there is a time limit on the amount of time you can be held. It is necessary for a Judge to adjudicate further detention time.

    However, our Liberal Govt wants to change this to INDEFINITE DETENTION.

    This is draconian but we hear very little about it.....Murdoch and his megacorp foreign cronies report nothing and all we hear is a low whisper.

    This is HITLER STUFF, this is FASCISM but we don't even get a topic on this proposal to allow INDEFINITE DETENTION of anyone.... white, black, christian, muslim, woman, man, child, pensioner, to be subjected to INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES which may resemble the USA style "extraordinary rendition" a 'nice' name applied to TORTURE.

    Anyone can be BLACK BAGGED and simply DISAPPEAR.

    Does this Liberal Govt proposal sound like an accountable, transparent and democratic govt that represents the people.... I don't think so.

    It really is time for Australians to have a really good look at what our supposed 'people's representatives' are doing....... a reality check is really, really needed here.

    This govt doesn't represent Australians, they represent the 1% and their megacorps who see Australia as a fat piggy bank full of wealth. That wealth is mainly held by the people, as Australia is one of the most EGALITARIAN nation in the world. The 1% are preparing to remove that wealth and put it in their own very long and greedy pockets.

    These laws are being put in place to stop any response to their extraction of our wealth and the decay and run down of our nation.

    OKAY, you may see this as going to far, I agree it is a bit strong but WHY would any DEMOCRATIC nation want INDEFINITE DETENTION without access to a LAWYER or the COURTS and the ability to apply INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES, that many would call torture.
    Young Simmo
    2nd Aug 2016
    10:59pm
    Boy, all you scared pessimists go to bed and worry your guts out, I will just continue to enjoy life.
    Anonymous
    3rd Aug 2016
    2:14am
    Of course you will my one liner PROL... what else could you do?!?

    That is all PROLS do... quite vacant when it comes to the top paddock.
    Young Simmo
    3rd Aug 2016
    12:01pm
    WOW still up and boring people with your computer at 2:14 am, you must be really scared. There one and a half lines.
    Anonymous
    3rd Aug 2016
    3:22pm
    Young Simmo

    My little, little PROL..... time is different in other countries..... get a grip old thing..... we are not all backyard stay at homes that no longer work.
    PIXAPD
    3rd Aug 2016
    11:45am
    Ah well, if you have NO peace, you do not trust the Lord...so you are anxious and worry, you hear the sound of a lorry pulling up outside at night and bashing on your door, you stare at the ceiling as the power goes off..and now the sound of those who have got inside your house to take you to the train..... So you hear the voice say 'TAXI driver Sir, get you to the station as you asked?'
    Anonymous
    3rd Aug 2016
    3:36pm
    Arrrhhh! the last ploy to whitewash the removal of your democratic rights ..... trust in god!

    Sorry, I completely forgot about that one, there you go I have adjusted my list of propaganda & indoctrinating pacifier one liners:

    - I have nothing to hide
    - nothing to fear but fear itself
    - nothing to see here... stop stressing
    - do nothing, trust in god

    Did god help any of Hitler's victims... many of whom were christians... nope! Did god help any of Anders Breivik's teenage victims... many of whom were christians.... nope!

    Sheez.... I forgot, Hitler himself and Anders Breivik were BOTH strong christians.. silly me!
    PIXAPD
    4th Aug 2016
    10:06am
    Mussitate....Perhaps a cup of tea a Bex and a lie down might help settle your jitters, ravings and imaginations?
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    4:46pm
    PIXAPD

    You are JUST spitting inanities about a commenter, instead of presenting a counter argument!?

    Shows you got nothing but bulldust and that you definitely fit into the PROL category.
    PIXAPD
    4th Aug 2016
    2:12pm
    Ask not what the Census can do for you... but what you can do for the Census
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    4:39pm
    PIXAPD

    Oh! Dear.... you have selected USA propaganda that was used to get young people to enlist in the military, so that they become cannon fodder for the wealthy elite WHO did NOT put their kids in the military.

    Just ask George W BUSH he was one of those that avoided all contact with the military BUT was a BIG supporter of using others as cannon fodder!

    FOR GOODNESS SAKE.... do grow up a tad and use your little grey cells.
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    4:55pm
    .
    .
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    PIXAPD

    Sorry I was that gobsmacked with your unbelievable USA PROPAGANDA being used in Australia, as if WE are UNDEReducated morons, that I forgot to add it to my list.

    Hence, my updated list of propaganda & indoctrinating pacifier one liners:

    - I have nothing to hide
    - nothing to fear but fear itself
    - nothing to see here... stop stressing
    - do nothing, trust in god
    - Census is not for you it is for the Liberal Govt to do "good"

    Take a break from your indoctrination and engage those wonderful grey cells, that everyone possesses but PROLS rarely use.
    PIXAPD
    4th Aug 2016
    5:17pm
    AGAIN>>>> Mussitate....Perhaps a cup of tea a Bex and a lie down might help settle your jitters, ravings and imaginations?
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    5:57pm
    PIXAPD

    AGAIN...

    ....You are JUST spitting inanities about a commenter, instead of presenting a counter argument!?

    Shows you got nothing but bulldust and that you definitely fit into the PROL category.

    4th Aug 2016
    5:53pm
    pensioner's whinging corner
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    6:03pm
    heemskerk99

    Of course..... we ALL have a bit of a whinge here.... it adds to our good health.
    Avatar
    4th Aug 2016
    6:21pm
    Did you guys read that ABS Director said that last census, less than 100 people were fined. The actual no is 667. Trust the ABS, no way
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    7:10pm
    avatar, what a sensational disclosure, out of this world, can anybody beat this? just let us know in these columns
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    7:21pm
    Avatar

    Yeah..... all rather strange stuff.... the ABC had one liners and The Guardian had this article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/04/hundreds-referred-for-prosecution-for-failure-to-complete-census?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Australia+Morning+mail+new+030615&utm_term=184543&subid=1583298&CMP=ema_1731



    THIS is the KEY (totally meaningless) GOVT. STATEMENT:
    "By retaining names and addresses for longer the ABS will be better able to link the census data to the needs of government".

    NO DETAIL OF WHAT THOSE NEEDS OF GOVT. ARE ..... sounds like Liberal Party policies, ALL just ONE LINER meaningless SPEWINGS.

    Can anyone tell me WHY knowing the personal identity of those supplying data, enhances that data so much so, that the government gets to scratch its NEEDS?

    Exactly WHAT these "needs" are, we will never know.... all secret, neo con fascist stuff that is NEVER open, transparent or accountable.

    What a lot of TOTAL BULLDUST!
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    7:36pm
    heemskerk99
    Thought my expansion on the subject may be of help... you seem to have difficulties understanding what Avatar wrote.
    Anonymous
    4th Aug 2016
    7:46pm
    musolini does it take twenty or more lines to explain an item not worth more than one word, B.S.
    Anonymous
    6th Aug 2016
    12:27am
    heemskerk99

    Take it easy my dear old girl..... so much venom and so little appreciation
    PIXAPD
    5th Aug 2016
    9:34am
    The CENSUS will be fun...... no problem, nor trouble, no fear, no conspiracy, HA HA HA
    Anonymous
    6th Aug 2016
    12:30am
    PIXAPD

    Yes..... ha ha ha..... you do that ..... ha ha ha .....

    God almighty, how can you do that.... the "ha ha ha"..... dead on PROL stuff that..... it makes me cringe.
    Young Simmo
    6th Aug 2016
    1:13am
    PIXAPD, just keep humouring Mussitate, he is a Mental Hospital escapee and nobody really takes any notice of him. When you are having a quiet day you can respond to him for a bit of humour. I do.
    Anonymous
    7th Aug 2016
    8:28pm
    Young Simmo

    Oooooh! ..... I can't be held accountable for my miscreants if I am a mental hospital escapee!

    So, let's see.... you have no humour, it is merely one of your delusions, you are just that lacking in mental capacity that you sound and act like a nasty little child with the intelligence of a microbe and the sexual capacity of a fungi. Sexless vegetating and smelling goddamn awful is what you do best.

    Does that sound mental enough for you dear old sock.

    5th Aug 2016
    9:37am
    Yeah well haven't yet received anything like a password from this Census mob so might have to chase it up....

    Always thought the Census was a snapshot of the country on a certain night or point in time, thus darned if I know why they are banging on about the date of 9th August all the time, given as I understand people have until late-ish September to get it done, and that thousands have already filled in the form online before that date....
    PIXAPD
    5th Aug 2016
    10:03am
    Yes, apparently many have a different calendar and have completed the Census online. My own opinion is that we are closer to 1983 than 2016, but I'll do the Census online on the date requested.
    Young Simmo
    6th Aug 2016
    1:18am
    Well we and our neighbour haven't received our letter yet and it is Frid 5th August. If I get fined $180 per day, I will Google "Muslim Killer" and send them to Malcolm's place.
    PIXAPD
    6th Aug 2016
    10:16am
    All I can say it...this is going to be very interesting indeed, and no telling how many pets will be listed on Census forms by owners.

    Many Census ago I put my bird down as Bud G Byrd, occupation 'grain carrier' who had flown in for the night and was staying over.
    PIXAPD
    6th Aug 2016
    10:24am
    How will they fine you IF they do not know who you are?....ever thought of that?
    Akhenaten
    9th Aug 2016
    10:23am
    To all those of you who are worried that you might be fined for refusing to fill in the census form - as I WILL do!

    There is no law that makes it compulsory to comply - there is only a statute. Compliance with statutes is voluntary.

    Don't believe me? Visit my blog www.thechosenites.wordpress.com and go to the page LAW where I explain this. I have dealt with kangaroo courts before and will do so again.

    If they try to fine me and drag me into court over my refusal to pay they will be in for a surprise and the outcome of this case WILL be posted on my blog - and here!

    They have no power over us other than what we grant them with our ignorance and/or tacit submission.
    Avatar
    9th Aug 2016
    4:25pm
    "Senators Nick Xenophon, Sarah Hanson-Young and Scott Ludlam are vowing not to put their names on their census forms ­tonight amid claims the national survey has turned into a “mobile CCTV that follows every Australian”.

    The senators risk being fined $180 for every day they disobey commonwealth laws but Senator Xenophon hopes his own experience will become a “test case” for future censuses.

    The Greens will meet today to discuss whether all of the party’s 10 federal MPs should withhold their names as they call on the Australian Bureau of Statistics to “settle people’s nerves” and make the requirement voluntary."


    That's why we need Independents in our Govt instead of the sheeps that passes for MPs from the Labor and Liberal parties. This invasion of our privacy is atrocious.

    9th Aug 2016
    8:07pm
    to all those objectors in regard to your objections to the census of infringing on your privacy, how many of you are on face book, twitter, have a bank account, have a tax number, are in the phone book, have a mobile, a medicard, a pension card, a credit card, a debit card, in victoria a myki card, different name in other state for using public transport, paying rates to the counsels, rent to estate agents, etc. or those relying on handouts of the government such as dole, pensions, centrelink payments, etc and you still maintain your name and address is private, get a life, as for those senators attempting to make a hero of themselves, any publicity is good publicity to the unwashed, as the saying goes, feed them b.s and the uneducated masses will believe in them.
    yes forget to put your name and address on the census, their next letter to you will start Mr. or Mrs. a, b, c, whatever your true name and will arrive on the right address.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2016
    4:14pm
    heemskerk99

    Good comment!

    However, your basic concept that lots of our information is available, has been addressed in comments above.

    Effectively, most of the data you speak of is held SEPARATELY by different organisations... Facebook & twitter are FOREIGN corporations with links to the USA govt which is pretty bad that our govt do NOT override a FOREIGN invasion of Australian citizens privacy. All our big 4 banks have the SAME four FOREIGN MEGACORPS controlling all of them from 43% to 49% (1 UK & 3 USA) which means they effectively CONTROL Australian Banks...another reason they are acting dirtier and more corruptly, these days. These areas are actually major concerns and our Govt should be blocking ALL foreign SPYING, SHARING and RETENTION of Australians' personal data.

    Hence, just because it is so, doesn't mean it should be! We should also be fighting to get ANY FOREIGN govt/entity to back off from extracting/acquiring Australian DATA.

    Can you imagine the STINK if China or Russia did what the USA and their megacorps are doing in Australia. The WESTERN foreign corporate media would be screaming loudly.... just like they do if China tries to buy anything in Australia, even when the USA owns more of Australia BY FAR than any other country.. of which we hear nothing.

    The ATO are not allowed to give out data, except to certain other govt depts and then it is limited.

    The ONLY thing about the above is that all these entities are SEPARATE and therefore they do not often share their data (except the USA foreign megacorps who share it with their USA govt).

    Just because all this is happening, does NOT make it right and OUR govt and all Australians should be demanding that it be rectified and our data be protected.

    Those that act like PROLS that are totally oblivious to anything but consumerism and self, are GUILTY of destroying our democracy and our way of life.

    Given your well written comment... I am sure you yourself would agree that all of the data retention should stop and greater protection given to Australia and its citizens! We are NOT patsies of the USA.
    Anonymous
    10th Aug 2016
    6:29pm
    mussitate, regardless of your good and honest, some may call it old fashioned beliefs, the fact is, money speaks all languages,
    Avatar
    11th Aug 2016
    11:27am
    I think the key here, apart from what Mussie has stated above, is that Facebook, Twitter, etc; are VOLUNTARY. You provide info because you assess that the benefits to you is worth the price. There ae no checks as to the accuracy of the info. You do not get FINED if you provide ambiguous info and it is not MANDATORY eg no one can link me to my Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pininterest, etc accounts. With regards to the bank and mobile phone providers, yes, you have to provide proof of who you are. However, these are easily obtained from the web or any pubs in Australia. Just one Driving Licence and you can get a whole heap of other documents with the same details and nobody is any wiser.

    And I am right. No one has ever taken up my challenge of providing me with their info for which they claimed till they are red in the face, that they "have nothing to hide".
    Anonymous
    11th Aug 2016
    6:47pm
    avatar, it is not a matter of providing my info to you, we are talking about providing this to the government who already has all the information about you and me, your bank accounts, your saving accounts, how much is in it, your tax number, just forget to fill in your tax one year, your driving license, here you be lucky if you are not pulled over at least once a year by either the police or the sheriff, so as to claim it is all voluntary, as somebody said, you must be dreaming
    jamesmn
    18th Aug 2016
    10:52am
    i rang them up weeks ago and told them i would not do it online because i did not trust the security was told they were sending out the forms in the mail still waiting they can go and fly a kite as far as i am concerned they stuffed up last census with boxes found in the gutter in Collins st Melbourne and they stuffed up this time they can't be trusted never trust the government on what they say then they will probably sell your information like telstra does now.anything turnball has his head in is stuffed
    Anonymous
    18th Aug 2016
    5:58pm
    another intelligent? comment, any wonder this country is going down the chute.
    Anonymous
    18th Aug 2016
    9:28pm
    heemskerk99

    jamesmn has merely given an account of his experience with the census and how exasperated and annoyed he is.

    The whole thing has been a total fiasco, bungle, stuff up perpetuated by a useless, incompetent, inept, foreign fawning, lying, malfeasant and totally corrupt government.

    What more can I say!
    Anonymous
    18th Aug 2016
    10:23pm
    please mussolini don't waste our time with your incoherent, unsophisticated, deranged, one eyed socialistic attitude which has been proved years ago to be the dream of mentally and unstable persons,known by the names of hitler and mussolini, sorry to read you was named after one of them, also labor organised this census while they got Australia into a debt which will take decades to recover from if ever, yet you still persist in blaming to-days government, however one day you will have to explain it to your grandchildren who may see through your lies.
    Anonymous
    18th Aug 2016
    10:23pm
    please mussolini don't waste our time with your incoherent, unsophisticated, deranged, one eyed socialistic attitude which has been proved years ago to be the dream of mentally and unstable persons,known by the names of hitler and mussolini, sorry to read you was named after one of them, also labor organised this census while they got Australia into a debt which will take decades to recover from if ever, yet you still persist in blaming to-days government, however one day you will have to explain it to your grandchildren who may see through your lies.
    Anonymous
    18th Aug 2016
    10:23pm
    please mussolini don't waste our time with your incoherent, unsophisticated, deranged, one eyed socialistic attitude which has been proved years ago to be the dream of mentally and unstable persons,known by the names of hitler and mussolini, sorry to read you was named after one of them, also labor organised this census while they got Australia into a debt which will take decades to recover from if ever, yet you still persist in blaming to-days government, however one day you will have to explain it to your grandchildren who may see through your lies.
    Anonymous
    19th Aug 2016
    10:00pm
    heemskerk99

    Good to see you like to see yourself in print three times over. Once is obviously not enough for someone like you!

    Now, onto this DEBT that Labor got us into..... you joke of course, repeating Liberal/Murdoch DOGMA & INACCURACIES.

    Labor were managing Australia through the WORST of the GFC and during that time they gave Australia:

    - the BEST ECONOMY in the WORLD as assessed internationally with ALL the good boxes ticked for the first time ever... beating the USA UK EU CHINA RUSSIA... yep, fact!
    - AU$ included in the international mix for the first time ever
    - Triple AAA credit rating for the first time ever
    - one of the MOST EGALITARIAN nations in the world
    - WAIT FOR IT...... one of the LOWEST GOVT DEBTS in the WORLD!!!!

    PLUS: read this slowly so that you can fully u n d e r s t a n d :

    ABC FACT CHECK finds - 
     
    UNDERLYING CASH BALANCE as a SHARE of GDP 
     
    2006-07        1.6%   Coalition
     
    2007-08        1.7%   Coalition/Labor
     
    2008-09       -2.1%   Labor (UPSIDE of GFC)
     
    2009-10       -4.2%   Labor (HEIGHT of GFC)
     
    2010-11       -3.4%   Labor (START of downside of GFC)
     
    2011-12       -2.9%   Labor (DOWNSIDE of GFC)
     
    2012-13       -1.2%   Labor (BOTTOM of GFC)  
     
    IT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR and BEYOND DOUBT that Labor used the Govt DEFICIT to SHORE up the Australian ECONOMY, so that Australia SURVIVED the GFC!  Then, were in the process of reducing that deficit SUBSTANTIALLY when removed from office.
     
    In 2013.... the LIBERAL PARTY inherited the BEST ECONOMY in the WORLD and in 2014 received the highest Revenue from the Mining Sector EVER received AND managed this country AFTER the GFC had subsided!  The RESULT of their management of Australia's affairs from 2013 to now, is disgraceful. 

    LIBERAL PARTY management has adopted a very old fashion fascist neo con DOGMA as their economic MODEL given to them by the IPA and backed completely by the likes of Murdoch & Rinehart.  Even though this elitist economic model has been proven (USA is a prime example) to bring a country to its economic knees with the 1% being the ONLY benefactors.

    Results of Liberal Party Management over the last 3yrs IN THE "GOOD TIMES":
         - Doubled the Govt DEBT and RISING!!
         - Can't BALANCE their BUDGET
         - Can't afford SERVICES & BENEFITS to the people
         - Can't afford PUBLIC health & education 
         - Pouring even more taxpayers $$$$ into PRIVATE health & education for the WEALTHY
         - Triple AAA rating (gained by Labor during the GFC) is in jeopardy
         - Spiralling DOWN of Australia's INTEREST RATES (very BAD omen of state of ECOMONY)
         - Trade negotiations with other countries, so badly done that they have very little advantage to Australia
         - Trade agreements only advantage some PRIVATE sectors and not Australia overall
         - Dismantled SCIENCE & INNOVATION with the removal of clean and alternative energy
         - Dismantled SCIENCE & INNOVATION with the removal of climate research
         - Inhibiting greatly SCIENCE & INNOVATION with the drastic downgrading of CSIRO
         - Supporting BANKS that are corrupt and acting illegally, refusing to conduct a Royal Commission
         - Continuing with their CRIMINALLY USELESS NBN which is: COSTLY (triple that of Labor's NBN which would have paid itself off because of Labor's NBN's high speeds in 20years); so  SLOW that the USA doesn't even regard it as an NBN; installation in a SHAMBLES; is UNRELIABLE; can't be UPGRADED; is already 10yrs ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY - all aspects of the MULTI TECHNOLOGY proposed - none of it is anything but RUBBISH; with NODES that need to have power at a cost of approx. 2 power stations; with ancient mult technology comes a SYSTEM that can't "talk" to each other properly with more crashes and especially DROP OUTS..... hence, a system that simply doesn't work properly, even with it SUPER SLOW speeds.
         - Setting Australia's communication technology & innovation back 20yrs, instead of ahead 20yrs... JUST to appease the dinosaur and his billion $$ FOXTEL business.

    I will stop there .... but IF you want more, I can supply it!
    Young Simmo
    19th Aug 2016
    11:42pm
    Boy Oh Boy, I have been away down in Perth for 8 days, and come back and turn on my computer and what do I see? Mr Mussi still taking 1,000 words to say hello. Nothing has changed.
    Anonymous
    20th Aug 2016
    6:23pm
    our mussolini should have been a politician, words and more words, however no substance, like a duck, quack, quack, a duck would open his backside but the same sh.. comes out of our mussolini's mouth
    Anonymous
    20th Aug 2016
    9:37pm
    Young Simmo

    Thought you lived in Perth and I am pleased to say that this was my first 'big' one..... couldn't think of better timing, that to present you with this.

    Cheers



    heemskerk99

    Very very crass, lacking basic intellect, totally undignified and downright crude.... BUT still amusing.

    Keep it coming! Your one liner dribbles show everyone EXACTLY what you are ..... can't get the smirk off my face.

    What would we do without you... you make everyone else look so good.
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2016
    4:52pm
    and you so sad
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2016
    8:26pm
    heemskerk99

    Nevertheless.... you still give me so much attention.

    Chuckle, love it!

    Ow... didn't I tell you that I like lots of attention, good or bad. Keeps everything sparky and enjoyable.

    Especially when you, my friend, have such gusto for the negative.
    Young Simmo
    20th Aug 2016
    5:56pm
    Well I just decided I probably should do the Census, got onto my puter and punched in the census address and got told my puter is too old. It is an, ASUS 2014 Windows 8.
    Anybody else having this rubbish rammed into their face? I tried 4 times.
    Anonymous
    20th Aug 2016
    9:40pm
    Young Simmo

    Just another thing to add to the stuff up..... 2014 windows 8..... that is NOT old?

    Bizarre to say the least!


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