Labor promises a ‘stronger, fairer and more secure future’ for all

Anthony Albanese wants Australian manufacturing to grow and details his plan.

Anthony Albanese

Opposition leader Anthony Albanese laid out a desire to get Australia back to being a country that made things in his Budget reply on Thursday night.

The Labor leader’s visionary speech also said that his party’s plan for a recovery from the pandemic-induced recession would deliver “a stronger, fairer and more secure future for all Australians”

Mr Albanese said there was an opportunity to “make this once-in-a-century crisis the beginning of a new era of Australian prosperity and Australian fairness”.

“We can beat this recession, we can launch a recovery and we can build a future where no one is held back and no one is left behind,” he said.

Mr Albanese attacked Tuesday’s Federal Budget for failing to take advantage of the opportunity to strengthen the country.

His budget reply also condemned how the government had treated older Australians in the wake of the deaths that had taken place in aged care facilities as a result of COVID-19.

“Too many older Australians who built this country are being treated without the respect and dignity they deserve,” Mr Albanese said.

“Too many older Australians are lonely prisoners of a broken aged care system. Facilities run for the highest profits at the lowest standards.”

Should Labor be voted into government at the next election, Mr Albanese would focus on local manufacturing by developing a national rail manufacturing plan and establishing a $20 billion “rewiring the nation” corporation to rebuild electricity transmission infrastructure to prepare Australia’s power grid for renewables.

Labor also promised a massive $6 billion childcare funding boost.

Plans announced ahead of Thursday night’s speech included funding an Australian Centre for Disease Control and a funding boost for the construction or repair of public housing.

Perhaps one of the more important announcements was a commitment to establishing a national anti-corruption commission, with Mr Albanese highlighting that the Australian National Audit Office was cut in Tuesday night’s Budget as “payback” for exposing the Sports Rorts scandal and the $30 million paid to Liberal Party donors for airport land that was worth just $3 million.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison framed Labor’s political strategy as divisive.

“There will be voices that will try and set young people against older people, women against men, jobs in one sector versus jobs in another sector,” the prime minister told reporters.

“They are the voices of division that will undermine the future economic prosperity of all Australians.”

Parliament will debate the government’s Budget bills on Friday, with Labor expected to support the plans to accelerate income tax cuts and most of the other measures that were proposed on Saturday night.

Did you watch Labor’s Budget reply on Thursday night? What do you think of Labor’s plan? Who would you prefer was governing Australia through this pandemic?

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    welfare addict
    9th Oct 2020
    11:11am
    We seem to be addicted to welfare. Only Anthony Albanese wants to rebrand it and call it reform. Why do families earning $300,000 plus under the current government and up to $500,000 under his proposal need child care assistance. It's total rubbish. We simply cannot continue in this vain. Sooner or later someone is going to have to pay for this credit card bill.
    Maggie
    9th Oct 2020
    11:35am
    On the whole it sounded great BUT just where is the money coming from to build these factories, and how many jobs will be created when the sophisticated EXPENSIVE plant of today, requires less human workers than ever before.
    Are Australians all and always going to be prepared to pay more for goods made in this country.
    All this talk of jobs and more jobs and yet more.... is a pipedream. The world is already overpopulated, resources are finite.
    What is needed is proper taxation of the multinationals and the individual rich, and probably a universal living allowance so people have some quality of life.
    mogo51
    9th Oct 2020
    12:12pm
    WA. The welfare basket is not only well established. By virtue of a massive deficit, it is full, indeed over flowing.
    As you rightly say, the gravy train must stop. 300k, they don't need any help.
    BigAl
    9th Oct 2020
    12:24pm
    Currently the top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of the income tax, and top 50% pay 97%. If you tax the top earners too much they'll go elsewhere like my son who is on double the salary in the US and pays half the tax. The smart people will leave in droves and the country will be far worse off!!. 10M Australians are now on some form of welfare. Unsustainable. Taxing the multinationals sounds great but what if Google/Facebook withdrew their web services.
    The Thinker
    9th Oct 2020
    2:51pm
    All child welfare needs to stop. Children are choices that should no longer be funded with taxpayer money.

    Use contraception if you can't fund your own children or flush them down the toilet.
    Mariner
    9th Oct 2020
    3:23pm
    The Thinker - a bit rough mate, specially the last part. I do however agree with the first paragraph. A lot of folks who cannot really afford them have most of the kids.
    The Thinker
    9th Oct 2020
    4:38pm
    Mariner, the day after pill is not offensive and is effective. Free contraception to all would save a fortune.

    It's not just the poor but those that can afford children go after the handouts too. These days there is more middle-class welfare than ever.
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2020
    4:49pm
    Thinker you are correct and have certainly given me a laugh what a classic.
    Robo.
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2020
    5:13pm
    But today's children are tomorrow's taxpayers. If we cut birth rates, our society becomes extinct. We are already below the required level to sustain our culture.

    That said, I think it ridiculous to be funding childcare at the levels the ALP is proposing. Firstly, those families on $200,000+ incomes don't need the help (and certainly no family on over $400,000 needs it). And secondly, there are not enough jobs to go around, so pushing more mothers to dump their kids in childcare five days per week (which is bad for families) and go out to work is only going to mean fewer jobs for people who may need them much more.
    sainter
    12th Oct 2020
    12:38pm
    Yes whether you want to call it reform or welfare someone has to pay for it...like most things that are in a budget by either the LNP or Labor.
    sainter
    12th Oct 2020
    12:38pm
    Yes whether you want to call it reform or welfare someone has to pay for it...like most things that are in a budget by either the LNP or Labor.
    Aussiefrog
    9th Oct 2020
    11:23am
    I don't see anything for age pension recipients in his reply to the budget! Both sides of politic are playing us!
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:53am
    You seriously think any politician cares about old people who didn't put away enough to fund their retirement, Aussiefrog? Dream on!
    thommo
    9th Oct 2020
    11:25am
    Morrison and his LNP govt will only further widen the gap between rich and poor with this shameful ideological budget.
    Big tax cuts for the rich but nothing for those on the basic wage. And to top it off, nothing for social housing or the unemployed, who will go back to $ 40 a day Newstart. And these people were put there by Morrison and his govt. these people won't tolerate this treatment so just wait till the next election when Morrison and his govt will be voted out of office. And good riddance.
    Gra
    9th Oct 2020
    11:54am
    If you aren't paying tax or paying minimal tax, how can you expect a tax cut? It's time the unemployed made themselves employable, go get some qualifications, be prepared to make changes in their life, relocate if they have to. Yes, there are some with disabilities which make it difficult for them to get into the workforce but using obesity and being illiterate as an excuse to not work are just cop outs.
    thommo
    9th Oct 2020
    1:06pm
    Well Gra, we know what side of the fence you're on, and I can't see you on my side. But if you want a fairer society, come over. Cheers.
    libsareliars
    9th Oct 2020
    2:01pm
    Agree with you thommo.
    lysistrata
    9th Oct 2020
    3:33pm
    Totally disagree with you thommo.... just think how much worse things would be under the ALP... they always are
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    5:26pm
    Have you been asleep under a rock Lysistrata $I Trillion dollar dept 1 million unemployed and going up and the ALP is not running the country nothing in the budget to create jobs hello is anyone home
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    5:32pm
    And as usual ollie the Labor response was totally unfunded! And there is a big difference between the typical profligate spending when Labor has the keys to the safe, and the current situation and budget.
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    5:51pm
    KSS I take it you did not listen to his speech he said he would announce the funding before the next election its interesting that some economists have given it the thumbs up
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    7:45pm
    Just like Mr Shorten said last time round eh?
    Oldchick
    10th Oct 2020
    11:48am
    KSS. Are you serious? Do you really believe the LNP bunch of muppets funded theirs - borrowed money? Trillion $+ in debt and what do they do, help out the people with money. They are dishonest, incompetent and downright smug and stupid. They also showed during the reply speech that they have NO MANNERS particularly our so called PRIME MINISTER. What a disgrace. A head of Government deliberately turning his back on Anthony Albanese, playing on his phone like a sulking teenager, even closing his eyes and faking sleep. Real nice man, not. Real example of a religious upright citizen. One who’s been booted from two jobs under ‘a big black cloud’ for suspected dishonest dealings and stabbed another man in the back to get his job.
    ollie
    11th Oct 2020
    9:24am
    So true Old Chick
    BigAl
    9th Oct 2020
    11:29am
    Total Australian debt (Government plus household/private) close to $7.5 trillion and climbing. Politicians handing out money like confetti to buy votes. We now have an out of control debt spiral run by corrupted politicians and political systems. Doesn't matter if you vote Labor or Liberal - its all the same nonsense. Nothing in the budgets to develop the country. Greedy Australian are robbing from future generations. Shameful!!
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:52am
    Good to see someone with the brains to understand there is no difference between the two parties, BigAl.
    Cautious
    9th Oct 2020
    11:30am
    There will be no children living in poverty by the year 2000.
    Making promises doesn't mean it will happen.
    Aussiefrog
    9th Oct 2020
    2:45pm
    That was a funny one, wasn't it?
    The Thinker
    9th Oct 2020
    2:53pm
    I bet good old Hawke left a few of his own poor children behind during his drunken days.
    Mariner
    9th Oct 2020
    3:20pm
    Well at least he left enough behind for his relatives to be fighting over. He should have given it to the beloved Labor Party instead. Worst thing is having offspring fighting over the stuff you left behind.
    The Thinker
    9th Oct 2020
    4:43pm
    Mariner, it's a pity he didn't leave money for his Labor Party.
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2020
    4:51pm
    Hawke was always a scumbag great day when he died.
    ollie
    10th Oct 2020
    10:01am
    Aussiefrog Just goes to show how dumb Australian voters are they believe anything they are told at the moment they are voting for a Government who is sending them further and further into poverty I wonder I wonder when they will wake up
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:51am
    Oh, ollie, they should wake up and vote for the idiots on the other side who will sell us all into poverty instead of handing crumbs to the poorest and grinding anyone who worked and saved into equal hardship? If Labor had won last election, hundreds of thousands of SFRs would be poor pensioners now, with their income gone and their savings rapidly disappearing. Millions of workers would have been getting lower returns on their super. And the rich would still be partying claiming franking credits to wipe out their tax bills. No doubt you think that would be an improvement? Just like giving families earning $500,000 a year more to pay for childcare will help the nation.
    ollie
    10th Oct 2020
    12:25pm
    Really Youngagain the fact is the gap between rich and poor in this country is growing at an alarming rate and the ALP is not in government
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2020
    3:45pm
    True, ollie, but nothing is going to change by electing the ALP. They have already declared their policies - and they are clearly to increase the gap between rich and poor and give the rich more. If you can't see that, you are not understanding the policies correctly.
    Gra
    9th Oct 2020
    11:50am
    I wonder where Albanese plans on getting the money to fund his grandiose ideas. It seems he has the same old Labor ideas of hitting workers and businesses in the pocket to look after the layabouts. Labor needs to be looking at reducing immigration - especially reducing refugee intake which should be NIL in the present circumstances.
    ozrog
    9th Oct 2020
    11:56am
    Getting money from the same place as the LNP.
    libsareliars
    9th Oct 2020
    2:02pm
    "Getting money from the same place as the LNP"
    Spot on ozrog
    The Thinker
    9th Oct 2020
    3:01pm
    The same money that's siphoned off by this Government for its friends and party.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/federal-government-western-sydney-airport-audit-office/12686208
    Triss
    9th Oct 2020
    4:47pm
    Where do they usually get it, Gra, playing around and lowering pensions, disability and unemployment benefits, cutting essential services, in fact anything that doesn’t lower the the pay and perks of pollies and their wealthy donors.
    ozrog
    9th Oct 2020
    11:58am
    Agan nothing for pensioners.
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2020
    4:53pm
    Pensioners are a dying race who cares.
    panos
    9th Oct 2020
    5:09pm
    Yep thanks to COVID -19 we are..... once it gets going the average living age for men and women will be 55 to 60 years and guess what no pension for anyone.....cause you wont make it to 67....


    LOL
    ace
    9th Oct 2020
    12:06pm
    When is someone going to wake Up & do something about the Murray,darling scheme giving corps the taxpayers money to irragate their land & our farmers fight to get water ! we could grow the economy by kick starting the food bowl & grow & export produce the world wants before more overseas corps buy up our land to grow their control & profits
    Rae
    10th Oct 2020
    8:55am
    Supporting foreign extractors seems the biggest game in town for both LNP and ALP.

    Who owns the transmission lines Albo wants to spend $20 billion on anyway? Who gets all the profit and why can't they build up their business using those profits?
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    12:07pm
    You can bag the labor party as much as you like the fact is we currently have a corrupt incompetent government we have had 7 years of waste 3 Prime Ministers all of whom are out of touch with the working class and pensioners and people who need help no plan for the future $20 dollar tax cuts to stimulate the economy and create jobs wasted 1 billion dollars the country is desperate for social housing and whats in the budget nothing we are in deep shit the country was struggling before the pandemic and this budget will do nothing
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    12:18pm
    Please name your sources for the corruption you claim. These are serious charges and we deserve to know how you have arrived at your conclusions.
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    12:30pm
    Paying $33 million dollars for a 3 million dollar block of land using tax payers money that to me is corruption and buying from a liberal party donor their should be a full investigation and i think when they lose government there will be
    thommo
    9th Oct 2020
    1:08pm
    Agree with you 100% OLLIE.
    libsareliars
    9th Oct 2020
    2:04pm
    I agree with you 100% too Ollie. Also what about Sportrorts and dodgy Angus Taylor, Stuart Robert et al.
    The Thinker
    9th Oct 2020
    3:02pm
    KSS, here is the source.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/federal-government-western-sydney-airport-audit-office/12686208
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    3:11pm
    Lets not forget the Prime Minister when he was minister for tourism did he not misplace $30 million dollars and could not explain where it went and then asked to resign. If a union had a $3 million dollar block of land and the Labor party was in government and paid $33 million for it there would a Federal police investigation and ministers would face criminal charges. I am starting to think there are Liberal Party Trolls on this web site specifically placed to write rubbish
    lysistrata
    9th Oct 2020
    3:37pm
    To use your phrase ollie "the fact is" we have corrupt governments when the we have ALP governments (just look at the corrupt mess Andrews has created , at least his own are turning on him now, always happens), the major function of the LNP in my view is to keep the ALP out of government and the union movement subdued. And for that I am always grateful for a LNP government.
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    4:54pm
    Like I said Iysistrata more rubbish
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    5:35pm
    ollie/Thinker: Oh right a single source - the ABC. Ok then it must be true!
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    7:53pm
    It is true because your hero Scott Morrison did not deny it
    Oldchick
    10th Oct 2020
    1:39pm
    Spot on Ollie. Not only did our great leader lose his job over ‘suspected’ misappropriation of funds but twice, once in Australia and once in NZ. Each time his contract was terminated well before its end date with a ‘no comment’ yet everyone knew.
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    12:14pm
    More platitudinous claptrap from someone suffering irrelevance.
    So what exactly is he doing for older Australians exept insincere flattery. I didnt hear anything about increased pensions, increased rent allowance, help for SFRs? But hey he is going to rewire Australia. He could have at least promised to bury the wires but no.

    I am sick of hearing about his upbringing he is not the only child from a one parent family remember Mr Turnbull? He was brought up by his Father. And why the discriminatory focus on jobs for women? And young women at that with the promise of free child care (which by the way only falls out at half a million dollars family income!) And again no real costings.
    As for the criticism of the national debt, I dont know how he and his noddies kept a straight face. Doesnt he know the debt was caused by trying to support people and businesses through a pandemic all tge while Labor calling for even more spending
    Pot-kettle-black.
    Knight Templar
    9th Oct 2020
    12:31pm
    Well said KSS.
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    12:51pm
    The current mob has given us 7 years of nothing promises promises promises and delivered nothing except a 1 trillion dept its time for change
    Mariner
    9th Oct 2020
    3:12pm
    Yeah and the other mob has given us two more bloody years before pension age. Never forget that - the whole world still has a pension age of 65 but our workers party makes us slog even longer.
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    4:51pm
    Dont forget Mariner the current mob wanted to put it up to 70 but the workers party stopped it for now
    panos
    9th Oct 2020
    5:11pm
    KSS ---- help for SFRs? there it is again you don's need any help your an SFR spend your capital
    Mariner
    9th Oct 2020
    5:34pm
    ollie - absolutely right. But will they change their mind once they're in and it will be 70, sudden change like Mr Rudd - just added after the Budget speech. I never forget that. In my country of birth retirement for women is still 64, the Govt wanted to change that to equal 65 with men but it can only be changed thru a referendum and people so far (15 Years) have rejected it.
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    5:36pm
    Not an SFR panos. Don't assume you know anything about me.
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2020
    7:29pm
    Spend yours, Panos. Don't have any? Then starve. Should've saved earlier in life and then you wouldn't have to be envious, nasty and insulting to people who took responsibility for themselves and aren't stealing $1 million from the taxpayer to compensate for their irresponsible lifestyle earlier.

    It's time EVERYONE lived under the same rules, instead of bashing people who saved to hand out to people who didn't. Really, Panos, you do your fellow Australians a massive disservice, turning people against pensioners with your nastiness and selfish remarks. It's hard to have empathy for pensioners and support their requests for more when we see this kind of disgusting carry on.
    Lookfar
    10th Oct 2020
    10:38am
    KSS, I see you have forgotten that the Current Govt is the leader for getting into debt, having kick started it with Joe Hockey asking for legislation to double Australia's borrowing limit, they haven't looked back, yet even after all that money, the economy has declined, - now they blame it all on covid, the which they handled OK initially by following the Labor party stimulus idea, now they are losing it, - holes in outer space tax cuts for the rich, - the trickle down the leg thing, got rid of the car industry and many other industries as well, so now we have to pay to import almost everything from overseas, that worsens our Balance of Payments.

    Every grain of iron ore mined in Australia should leave our shores as at the very least finished steel balks, preferably finished product, so everyone would have a job.

    No mention of the High voltage grid around Australia to connect all the renewable energy producing cheap electricity being underground, some options are underground, some above, whatever works the best as breakthroughs in that technology are happening all the time.

    So how clever is the Govt? there is a gas powered electricity plant near Newcastle, - closed down because gas too expensive, so now they want to build more?? - Problem with gas is the wells keep running 'dry' so let's help the foreign owned gas industry find more watertables to destroy, with taxpayer money, - bugger Oz farmers they are all gonna burn anyway, Streuth this govt is a shambles.

    No vision, corruption at every level, no idea what they are doing and just don't care.
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:48am
    Lookfar, you are right of course, but I hope you are intelligent enough to know that the other side would do no better?
    Horace Cope
    9th Oct 2020
    12:15pm
    Shorten lost the "unloseable" election mainly because he chose not to tell voters how much his policies would cost and it seems that Labor has not learned anything since then. Albanese is long on handouts and short of explaining where the money to pay for the handouts is coming from.
    libsareliars
    9th Oct 2020
    2:06pm
    Morrison won it with no policies let alone showing any costings - how good is Australia?
    Mariner
    9th Oct 2020
    3:13pm
    Australia is still good mate. At least you can sling off and bad mouth everyone you do not agree with.
    lysistrata
    9th Oct 2020
    3:40pm
    Agree with you Horace. Australia is a much better place for having him for PM (as his ratings show)
    Eddy
    9th Oct 2020
    5:01pm
    Maybe you are right Horace, but then maybe you are wrong, it is all a matter of opinion. There is no way anybody, including the 'smart' political commentators and influencers, can really tell us why Shorten lost the unlosable election. No more than they could explain why John Hewson lost his 'unlosable' election in 1993.
    As for costing promises, Labor should follow the LNP example and give grossly under-estimates knowing they can 'amend' them if/when they win government. LNP have been doing that for decades that I know off, including always using the mantra 'where's the money coming from'?
    Lookfar
    10th Oct 2020
    10:53am
    Horace, just how did the govt explain where it is going to fund it's tax cuts from?
    So it's all right if the LNP doesn't explain but only bad if Labor doesn't explain, - double standards hey!

    The last election was close, but then the foreign owned newspapers did this big beat up as to how the labor govt would romp in and initiate national socialism or some such propaganda, the which it never did before nor is it all that different on most policies from the LNP.

    Fear caused the electorate to just swing that tiny bit to keep the no ideas govt in power and Australia was kept on it's downward path, of wasting money by giving it to the rich.

    And but for the States, we would have had huge death rates among the posters to this forum, among SFRs as well as Pensioners, covid doesn't care.
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:46am
    Both parties are a disaster, Lookfar. There is no hope for Australia until we find a way to break the two-party strangehold and get rid of all the idiots currently claiming the ability to run the show. Get some ordinary folk with plain common sense in there somehow and maybe we'll fix some of the problems.
    Sundays
    10th Oct 2020
    11:58am
    Youngagain, any Party with common sense would immediately stop the rort that is refund of Franking Credits for those who pay no tax. It’s at least one way to help pay down the Trillion dollar debt
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2020
    3:48pm
    And give more to the wealthy, while grinding down those who rely on franking credits to stay off the pension and the workers whose franking credits boost their retirement nest egg. Yeah, real smart Sundays. Boost the trillion dollar debt by pushing more people onto pensions instead of giving them a tiny bit of help to stay off them.

    If they want to kill the debt, they should stop crediting franking credits to people who don't need the credit. Put a cap on them, or limit claiming to people below a set income threshold. Taking them from people who use them to stay off welfare isn't going to help anyone. It's stupid.
    floss
    9th Oct 2020
    12:41pm
    I wish you well Albo but we will never make white goods etc. in Australia and Morrison has no intention of doing so .The Australia we knew is gone forever it started after the Vietnam war and the gap between the haves and the have-nots just gets bigger under the Libs.Maggie you are right on track.
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    1:07pm
    At least he has a vision and is willing to try and improve the lives of all Australians one thing for sure the country can not keep heading in the same direction as it has been for the last 7 years we now have a dept of $1 trillion dollars coming from the best economic managers this country has ever seen they cant use labors mismanagement as an excuse anymore
    libsareliars
    9th Oct 2020
    2:06pm
    Agreed
    lysistrata
    9th Oct 2020
    3:42pm
    Albanese vision???? isn't that a contradiction in terms. Get back to us when he has a workable worthwhile vision
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    5:37pm
    Mr Albanese and vision in the same sentence??????????
    Sundays
    10th Oct 2020
    12:03pm
    I agree with all your posts Ollie. This current Liberal Government is the worst we’ve ever had. Im a swinging voter and their hubris, dishonesty, marketing speel and ill thought out policies will never get me to vote for them
    ollie
    10th Oct 2020
    12:40pm
    I am like you sundays i don't care who wins elections but when i see corruption and dishonesty i need to speak up this mob is getting away with it something needs to be done.
    Paddington
    9th Oct 2020
    2:10pm
    I did not hear if Labor would reverse the cuts to universities. Many university workers have lost their jobs and a lack of students will not see that repaired. I also think they did not receive jobkeeper. That seems to be more of a priority to me than childcare funding. Social housing is needed but I think the government has increased that by a billion unlessI am mistaken. I am avoiding the politics of it all whilst we are fighting a pandemic. Not interested in the politicking until we are through this crisis.
    Eddy
    9th Oct 2020
    8:26pm
    My personal feeling is we have too many universities, with many of them, including the 'big' ones, offering 'dud' degrees which add little value to the National pie. The tertiary education industry could do with a bit of reform to ensure the money we invest in it returns a high value dividend to the country. We possibly do not need additional funding for universities, just better use of the funding they already receive. I am inclined to advocate for 'free' tertiary education, with generous student allowances, rather than the current system of HECS.
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    9:31pm
    I think you are correct Eddy it seems like some of our politicians got dud degrees
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:44am
    Spot on, Eddy. When we were young, only the brightest students and some very rich went to Uni. Nurses and tradespeople were trained on the job and at TAFE. Office workers went to TAFE. Shop assistants and cleaners didn't need degrees. A much more sensible and cost efficient system.

    There are far too many going to Uni now to waste three or four years on government benefits and incur huge debts that they will never earn enough to pay off. And too many of those come out and start 'advising' and 'consulting' despite not having a clue what they are on about, and end up stuffing up the world with their claimed 'expertise', when in fact they know nothing. Or they become perpetual academics and never contribute anything of worth to society.
    ollie
    10th Oct 2020
    5:12pm
    Youngagain There are some brilliant minds in our community who cannot afford university and every has a right to an education
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2020
    3:51pm
    ollie, the brilliant minds ALWAYS went to uni on scholarships. That was my point. We should not be educating everyone at tertiary level - only the brilliant minds. We can't stop the rich sending their kids and paying for them, but we can limit the influx of working class to those who can demonstrate the ability to make good use of tertiary education.
    verenice coffee
    9th Oct 2020
    2:56pm
    i'm 73 and worked up till 23 march this year and carn wait till I can hit the road doing show circuit and point of interest pensioners can still get of their butts and work to increase their fortnightly earnings again without crying poor for miss management when they were younger as don't believe all those caravans I see on the road are workers enjoying their holiday time
    Mariner
    9th Oct 2020
    3:15pm
    Hope you can keep going till 100, verenice. You might even get a citation from the King.
    Triss
    9th Oct 2020
    4:52pm
    What does he actually say, apart from extra childcare money for the well off? Everything he says is a generalisation, specifically how is he going to bring about change? Specifically where is the money coming from...extra debt?
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    5:39pm
    Don't forget the "jobs for women" Triss. He just didn't say what those jobs were!
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2020
    7:33pm
    Jobs for women whose family income is $500,000? Yep. They really need those jobs don't they?
    Suddha
    9th Oct 2020
    4:53pm
    Forget two way Albo's promises. Typically Labor, economically hopeless. This isn't going to happen.
    Childcare...Why do we have to bear the cost of this. Couples want to have children therefore they should bear all costs in bringing them up. Why should the taxpayer be slugged. They want to their keep their cake and eat it also.
    mitch
    9th Oct 2020
    6:17pm
    IT is obvious that a lot of girls and women get pregnant without letting the male counterpart know that they do not care. If they get pregnant without letting there partner at the time know that they are on some sort of contraception and let him have sex without a condom then all the risk is on them .After all what man wants to work for the next 18 years paying %18 of his pay before tax for child support.Centre linc should ask them if they informed the male prior to sex that no precautions were taken and confirm with the father that if they get pregnant it would be mutual about what happened and this excuse i was drunk and do not know the father is another load of shit.Check the house and see if he gets the dole while she gets the single parent welfare.I know this happens because i have seen it too many times.IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD CHILDREN THEN DO NOT HAVE THEM .
    Triss
    9th Oct 2020
    7:17pm
    It’s as much up to the male counterpart to have that conversation before he drops his zip, Mitch.
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2020
    7:32pm
    Easier for males to prevent unwanted pregnancy than for women, Mitch. Don't blame the girls. It takes two.
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    7:51pm
    And what exactly was the male doing whilst the woman was scheming and trapping him into a pregnancy? Ever heard of responsibility? That actions have consequences? Two to tango?
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:20am
    The male was taking his pleasure with no thought for the woman or the baby that might result. Irresponsible selfish scum.
    mitch
    9th Oct 2020
    6:02pm
    IF Morrisons govt get kicked out and they should as this govt has committed murder ,Ignored the people during the bushfires and i bet they have not purchased water bombers ready for this summer out of the emergency services levy .They let the virus into the country even though they new about it and waited 8 weeks to do anything.What they have done is give money to every rich person and companies who are boasting profits due to govt donations. lining all politicians pockets with pay rises and tax cuts to set themselves up MEAN.while not giving a shit and using discrimination to carers and disabled out of the budget as well as the stimulous packages that every one else received else .WHAT IT is obvious is that if they lose the next election then whoever gets in aare being left with a massive job to fix this country up and maybe that is MORRISONS PLAN No matter what these sleezy lying politicians do they deserve to go to jail Do not pass go and you have already colleted your thousands by deceit lies and bribes e.g.sportrorts election rigging
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    7:35pm
    Robo Nearly 7 hundred of those deaths occurred in aged care and it was determined by a royal commission that if the federal government had listened to the experts and the warnings then a lot of deaths may have been avoided they ignored everyone and are guilty like the bush fires they stuffed up they did say they were sorry because they are responsible for private aged care homes in this country and by the way 65% of Victorians support Dan Andrews
    KSS
    9th Oct 2020
    7:52pm
    WOW! Just WOW!
    mitch
    9th Oct 2020
    8:36pm
    replying to the women whose opinion is to put the blame on the male.It is up to the woman to say yes otherwise it is rape .If the woman says no that is the end of it. It may take 2 to tango and the man can ask you to dance and the simple answer is if you do not want children or to dance the answer is is no.The ball is in the womans court and the consequences are her responsibility.All it takes is a no
    ollie
    9th Oct 2020
    8:38pm
    I'm not a Victorian but I have got relatives over there and they thank Dan Andrews for saving their lives
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:18am
    Mitch, that chauvanistic attitude was obsolete before I was born. Get over your hatred of women and stop peddling crap. Keep you zip zipped and there will be no unwanted babies. I think men who father illegitimate children or desert their family should have 85% of their income confiscated to support the children. That would make the irresponsible blame-artists think twice before dropping their pants. Scumbags want their pleasure, but without the cost.
    ollie
    10th Oct 2020
    11:54am
    A bit unfair Youngagain some women run off with someone else not all but some they set up home with their new partner and the father pays off their new home how one gets around this i don't know but it is happening.
    Virginia
    9th Oct 2020
    8:24pm
    Why does a $500,000 couple need incentives like a break on child care to work longer .... They are success driven earning this amount they would always choose work over staying home. Just a little bonus in their pocket....
    Instead how about making tax payable for couples as a joint adventure when the woman stays home to care for their children and make her contribution to the family unit worthwhile and recognised.
    Split the husbands income in two and tax each at that value.
    We bring in overseas workers to do what our unemployed wont do and we have kids in trouble because both parents are working.
    Lets get this right before putting peanuts into the pockets of the highest earners.
    This does not incentivise women who want to work work longer it just makes a mockery of the worth of women who have children and actually look after them.
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    11:14am
    Couldn't agree more, Virginia. I was shouting that message 40 years ago - value women who stay home and care for their kids and give them a tax break. Women's Lib was supposed to be about giving women a choice. Now, unless they are wealthy or hubby earns big bucks, they are either locked in to leaving their kids and going to work every day, like it or not, or locked in to financial hardship. No choice. Institutionalized kids. Unhappy families because Mum is time poor and constantly exhausted. And not enough jobs for those who really need them. What a messed up society we live in! And the ALP wants to make it worse.
    Ella
    10th Oct 2020
    4:53am
    A carer doesn’t need to be working to get the child care subsidy. If you look after a child for only 14% of the time and meet residency requirements. and the child is immunised and not yet in secondary school (exceptions apply), then you’re eligible for the tax payer funded subsidy. It’s always talked about as helping women get back to work but in practise thay are not the only beneficiaries. Stay at home mums or dads and other carers like grandparents can also use it.
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2020
    1:15pm
    Well that's a good thing!
    Pensioner 007
    10th Oct 2020
    3:58pm
    Hey all, in response to the Budget and the COVID 19 situation please see the attached petition which has been put forward to give everyone on payments the $550 per fortnight payment.

    Please sign the petition and forward to others.. I am sending the results to Parliament House

    http://chng.it/88wrQ7x8p5

    Cheers
    mitch
    12th Oct 2020
    2:38pm
    the govt actually took money for there retirement and eventually used it to finance other things so people who worked over 50 years had there retirement stolen from them .Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in there mouth and in the 60's times were different People who survived and fought in the second world war were not savers and a lot of children born after the war were still victims The children [NOT ALL] but a lot were abused ,neglected and bashed so a lot had no skills in saving .They were more interested in surviving .I know this because i was there Were you and if not how can anyone say we should have saved,What if i had saved and got married and 12 months later i had to start again DiVORCE CAN BE COSTLY.Does that mean i should be denied what i payed taxes for.Even super has been lost in thousands due to things out of our control.I have paid a lot of super and and by the time of retirement the super fund lost %40 of what was in the fund ,SO once again people try to save for retirement but shit happens
    Anonymous
    13th Oct 2020
    4:52pm
    Hey, mitch, I was there. I saw first-hand and I know a lot of victims of abuse and neglect. It has a lasting impact, and it takes a lot to survive it. I am sorry for you. I have often said the majority of our generation could have and should have saved, but I stress that I refer to the majority. Certainly not all. Those who couldn't SHOULD be properly supported and yes, we all paid for that support (albeit many don't receive it). I too lost a lot of money in super. At times, the fees were higher than the contributions and I got bills (which I didn't pay!). I ended up with nothing except the lump sum I contributed from personal savings late in life, on bad advice from a financial planner.

    I did manage to save for retirement, but now I regret it because I'd be far better off if I had saved half as much. The system stinks. It is a fact that vast numbers of retirees could have saved to be self-sufficient had they made the effort, but doing so does not pay off so why bother? On the other hand, the pension is nowhere near adequate for those who suffered genuine disadvantage. It is a disgrace that the system is as it is, but I can't see it changing because the government takes advice from privileged folk who have no idea about the past, much less about life in the world we live in.
    mitch
    13th Oct 2020
    5:57pm
    to young again watch the show about jimmy barnes life and times it by 2
    my parents did not teach us to save .They were too busy getting drunk 9 times a week and there children wore the blunt of it and we were too busy keeping out of there way We were never taught to save because of our upbringing as were a lot of post war children.I 'think it was common after the war that they suffered with ptsd as they call it nowadays .Iwas brought up with if you cannot afford children and i feel these days there is not enough consideration for childrens futures as the govt makes it to easy to reward pregnancies with lump sum payments every fortnight and i believe if welfare was not available there would be less unwanted pregnancies DO not get me wrong they need the help but should have avoided getting in that position in the first place.I am not chauvanistic ,i like women but not sneaky ones who exploit the system. You cannot tell me some women get pregnant on purpose and it is the man who pays for that deliberate pregnancy forthe next 18 years.
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2020
    10:49am
    I agree with you about the welfare system, mitch. It's ridiculous. The government should never have introduced pensions for single mothers. Widows should get a decent pension, but not unmarried mothers. As soon as that was introduced, we had a flood of young girls getting pregnant. A girl I went to school with had 8 and complained that she 'had to have a ninth' because the government had set age limits and she was about to lose her benefit. Ridiculous! She should never have received a cent in the first place.
    mitch
    14th Oct 2020
    12:23pm
    unfortunately i know people who have been on the dole over 20 years and never forced to look for work .I also knew some one who had a child every 4 years, 6 kids and lives with the father of them who was on the dole and now 2 of he children live there also on the dole and never questioned they would be getting a nice govt funded income.thos govt does not care who gets extra benefits except for themselves and the rich.Come election time every one will forget what this govt has done to this country and vote these idiots in again. This virus which killed the country and only made rich richer could have been avoided by closing the country down and not let anyone in.They should have made every one who came into the country into some sort of quarantine until they were cleared.They did it in wartime to be safe so why not something like that only treated better.THE last few cases i heard came in from over seas so this govt will never learn I will not be surprised if there is a third wave caused by the govt allowing thousands of people go to football games whilr the virus is present.


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