Was there slavery in Australia? Yes. It shouldn’t even be a debate

Scott Morrison asserted in a radio interview that “there was no slavery in Australia”.

historical image showing young aboriginal men in chains

Thalia Anthony, University of Technology Sydney and Stephen Gray, Monash University

Prime Minister Scott Morrison asserted in a radio interview that “there was no slavery in Australia”.

This is a common misunderstanding, which often obscures our nation’s history of exploitation of First Nations people and Pacific Islanders.

Mr Morrison followed up with “I’ve always said we’ve got to be honest about our history”. Unfortunately, his statement is at odds with the historical record.

This history was widely and publicly documented, among other sources, in the 2006 Australian Senate report Unfinished Business: Indigenous Stolen Wages.

What is slavery?
Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention says:

Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.

These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson, slavery is a form of “social death”.

Slavery has been illegal in the (former) British Empire since the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade of 1807, and certainly since 1833.

Slavery practices emerged in Australia in the 19th century and in some places endured until the 1950s.

Early coverage of slavery in Australia
As early as the 1860s, anti-slavery campaigners began to invoke “charges of chattel bondage and slavery” to describe north Australian conditions for Aboriginal labour.

In 1891 a “Slave Map of Modern Australia” was printed in the British Anti-Slavery Reporter, a journal that documented slavery around the world and campaigned against it.

Reprinted from English journalist Arthur Vogan’s account of frontier relations in Queensland, it showed large areas where:

… the traffic in Aboriginal labour, both children and adults, had descended into slavery conditions.

Seeds of slavery in Australia
Some 62,000 Melanesian people were brought to Australia and enslaved to work in Queensland’s sugar plantations between 1863 and 1904. First Nations Australians had a more enduring experience of slavery, especially in the cattle industry.

In the pastoral industry, employers exercised a high degree of control over ‘their’ Aboriginal workers, who were bought and sold as chattels, particularly where they ‘went with’ the property upon sale. There were restrictions on their freedom of choice and movement. There was cruel treatment and abuse, control of sexuality, and forced labour.

A stock worker at Meda Station in the Kimberley, Jimmy Bird, recalled:

… whitefellas would pull their gun out and kill any Aborigines who stood up to them. And there was none of this taking your time to pull up your boots either. No fear!

Aboriginal woman Ruby de Satge, who worked on a Queensland station, described the Queensland Protection Act as meaning:

if you are sitting down minding your own business, a station manager can come up to you and say, “I want a couple of blackfellows” … Just like picking up a cat or a dog.

Through their roles under the legislation, police, Aboriginal protectors and pastoral managers were complicit in this force.

Slavery was sanctioned by Australian law
Legislation facilitated the enslavement of Aboriginal people across the Northern Territory, Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland. Under the South Australian Aborigines Act 1911, the government empowered police to “inspect workers and their conditions” but not to uphold basic working conditions or enforce payment. The Aboriginals Ordinance 1918 (Cth) allowed the forced recruitment of Indigenous workers in the Northern Territory, and legalised the non-payment of wages.

In Queensland, the licence system was effectively a blank cheque to recruit Aboriginal people into employment without their consent. Amendments to the Aboriginal Protection and Restriction of the Sale of Opium Act 1897 gave powers to the Protector or police officer to ‘expend’ their wages or invest them in a trust fund – which was never paid out.

Officials were well aware that ‘slavery’ was a public relations problem. The chief protector in the Northern Territory noted in 1927 that pastoral workers:

… are kept in a servitude that is nothing short of slavery.

In the early 1930s, chief protector Dr Cecil Cook pointed out Australia was in breach of its obligations under the League of Nations Slavery Convention.

‘… it certainly exists here in its worst form’
Accusations of slavery continued into the 1930s, including through the British Commonwealth League.

In 1932 the North Australian Workers’ Union (NAWU) characterised Aboriginal workers as “slaves”. Unionist Owen Rowe argued:

If there is no slavery in the British Empire then the NT is not part of the British Empire; for it certainly exists here in its worst form.

In the 1940s, anthropologists Ronald and Catherine Berndt surveyed conditions on cattle stations owned by Lord Vestey, commenting that Aboriginal people:

… owned neither the huts in which they lived nor the land on which these were built, they had no rights of tenure, and in some cases have been sold or transferred with the property.

In 1958, counsel for the well-known Aboriginal artist Albert Namatjira argued that the Welfare Ordinance 1953 (Cth) was unconstitutional, because the enacting legislation was:

… a law for the enslavement of part of the population of the Northern Territory.

Profits from slaves
Australia has unfinished business in repaying wages to Aboriginal and South Sea Islander slaves. First Nations slave work allowed big businesses to reap substantial profits, and helped maintain the Australian economy through the Great Depression. Aboriginal people are proud of their work on stations even though the historical narrative is enshrined in silence and denial.

As Bundjalung woman Valerie Linow has said of her experiences of slavery in the 1950s:

What if your wages got stolen? Honestly, wouldn’t you like to have your wages back? Honestly. I think it should be owed to the ones who were slave labour. We got up and worked from dawn to dusk … We lost everything – family, everything. You cannot go stealing our lousy little sixpence. We have got to have money back. You have got to give something back after all this country did to the Aboriginal people. You cannot keep stealing off us.The Conversation

Thalia Anthony, Professor of Law, University of Technology Sydney and Stephen Gray, Senior Lecturer, Faculty of Law, Monash University

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    Winston Smith
    12th Jun 2020
    4:06pm
    In "From Little Things Big Things Grow" Kev Carmody and Paul Kelly wrote "Gurindji were working for nothing but rations". They couldn't leave to find another job. THAT'S slavery. Add to that Aboriginal, Chinese and Japanese pearl divers, and the Kanakas. All preceded by the convicts themselves. Scott, you're either wilfully ignorant, or a poor liar.
    Chris B T
    12th Jun 2020
    4:42pm
    History has a lot of unpleasantness, "Australia" was a very Cruel Place and in the early part with "So Called" convicts that would fit the Leading Commentary as well.
    How many Aborigines were in Port Arthur, Norfolk Island and other Prisons for "New Arrivals".Transported for Life for trying to survive in over crowded England.
    Floggings for for the sake of it, forced labour no pay meagre rations.
    Tell a story but don't screw with history to suit a article.
    Horrible things happened to others as well other than "PC"
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    8:22am
    Yes, Chris. History is history. We should acknowledge it, but not distort it and not let it govern today's world. It is in the past. What bothers me is that it is being altered to deny certain facts and exaggerate others, in order to justify reverse racism and demands for unfair benefits for certain sectors of the community. It's also being used to justify nastiness and blame against innocent people, just because MAYBE their forebears might have been party to wrongs. (In many cases, they were definitely not, but if they happen to be of a certain race, they are blamed anyway!)

    We can't change the past. We need to acknowledge it and move forward.
    80 plus
    12th Jun 2020
    4:59pm
    wasn't convict labour slave labour?
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    1:10pm
    At least convicts were charged with an offense and found guilty in a court of law, however tiny their so-called 'crime' was or how huge was their punishment. It was too often simply stealing of food to feed one's family. The other option was to starve.

    And for many of them, my ancestor's included, they were emancipated and became landowners in Australia. This land was stolen illegally, because Indigenous Nations never ceded their sovereignty of it. There is no formal Treaty.

    The on-going injustice acted on Aboriginal people is an absolute disgrace. Racism towards them has been ingrained into our government institutions to this day. Laws need to be changed and rights recognised. Let's start with recognition of our black history, truth telling of all Australian history and recognition in our Constitution that Aboriginal people ARE PEOPLE, not part of the flora and fauna.

    So many of our problems are due to the lie of 'Terra Nullius'. We cannot continue this lie and think we're 'doing something' by throwing money at it.
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    8:48am
    Hoohoo, a lot of our history is a disgrace. But reverse racism won't fix it. It will only make things worse. We have made massive strides in compensating and offering reparation to Aboriginals. They now enjoy privileges and benefits that disadvantage whites could never dream of - and these privileges and benefits are extended even to wealthy, privileged people who have only a tiny smidgeon of Aboriginal blood in them.

    There's a lot more to Australia's story than is being told. For example, white children were stolen and enslaved - as recently as the mid-1970s. But we are not permitted to talk about that because it 'reduces sympathy for Aboriginals'. Aboriginals are automatically compensated if they or even their parents or grandparents can claim to have been stolen. Whites, even those personally stolen and horrendously abused, are not.

    Australians sacrificed their lives to keep this country free, and Aboriginals benefited enormously from that sacrifice. Had the Japanese taken over, there is a good chance the entire Aboriginal race would have been annihilated. I love the Japanese people, but they are racist and they were far more so in past decades.

    Aboriginals now have land rights that yield income that whites can only dream about. They have free legal services, huge educational benefits, exclusive access to opportunities in the arts, grants to start businesses, preference for public housing... it goes on and on and on. I think it's the wrong approach. I think less money and more recognition and genuine equality would be better. But we need to stop the aggression from Aboriginal activists (most of whom are actually white!) and the unreasonable demands.

    I agree racism is an ongoing problem, and it will continue to be while reverse racism treats some races very unfairly, and while nasty accusations and insults are thrown at innocent people merely because some perceive their ancestors may have been among those who perpetrated wrongs.

    I don't agree with Morrison making the statement he made, but I understand and agree with his motive. We need to acknowledge the good in our past as well as the bad. And we need to stop exaggerating the bad for the sake of political correctness.

    Yes, let's tell the truth about our history. But let's tell the REAL truth. Too much is now being distorted for political correctness. And it's a nonsense to say, centuries after the event, that the land our forebears developed and fought for is not ours because someone, centuries ago, neglected to get a signature on a formal treaty (from people who were illiterate and didn't know what a treaty was anyway!).

    Of course Aboriginals are people, and they have been recognized and acknowledged as such for several generations. And the vast majority of the REAL Aborigines (as opposed to white activists who MIGHT have a smidgeon of Indigenous blood somewhere) are quite content with the way things are in Australia and disagree with the rants and demands of the activists. There are several Aboriginals in my family and I grew up amongst them, and they are disgusted at the reverse racism and the greed and selfishness we are seeing among people who falsely claim to be speaking for them.

    We can and should do much more for those still living in a disadvantaged state - and there are many. But carrying on about history won't help them. And neither will reverse racism and harping on about whites taking their land. That will only compound problems by increasing resentment among those who have done no wrong and have worked hard and paid honestly for the land they own. Generations of whites have built this country and fought for it, and it's THEIR land as well. It's OUR land. It belongs to ALL Australians.
    *Loloften*
    16th Jun 2020
    5:47am
    Whatever happened to "forgive & forget?" It's essential for anyone's future peace of mind as is acknowledging gratefulness for whatever keeps us alive. Holding onto grudges for many yrs rots our health & happiness, for many 100s of decades it rots us far more so. Just enjoy waking up in the morn, having food/water/roof over head....so very many 10,000s of our so called "white ppl" don't, & do not have the assistance/benefits of our 1st Nation ppl. Do Jewish ppl, Eastern Europeans+++ still hold grudges against Germans b/c of their also shocking loss of very many millions of most loved ones lives (including children) b/c of Hitler? NO, they don't. Life throws us all many unfortunate/sad curve-balls over the decades, just pick yourself up/dust yourself off & be grateful to enjoy the company of most loved ones & friends/sunrise/sunset/flowers/pets++++. it's the only choice.
    Youngagain
    16th Jun 2020
    5:27pm
    Exactly right, Loloften.
    Horace Cope
    12th Jun 2020
    5:00pm
    Yes there was blatant slavery as well as covert slavery in the past and there is no point in raising these things now as they were outlawed by governments decades ago. Just the same as blocking movies and TV shows that were acceptable in their time but are offensive to some today. What is it that people want when they complain about what happened in the past? Do they want each of us to return to the land of our ancestors? English back to England, Scots back to Scotland, coloured people back to their original homelands? What will happen to those of mixed race? None of us lives in the past, we live in the here and now and the problems we have are in the here and now and there is no point in scoring political points against politicians by dragging up things over which they had no control and, in this case, happened before the majority of Australians were born.
    Maggie
    12th Jun 2020
    6:15pm
    Time passing does not excuse wrong doing!!!
    Winston Smith
    12th Jun 2020
    6:58pm
    "there is no point in raising these things now "

    What? Not even to point out that Scott Morrison is a wilfully ignorant moron? He made the claim. Pretty sure we have aright to show that he's wrong.
    jennyb
    12th Jun 2020
    8:38pm
    When people say something didn't happen in the past when it clearly DID, it needs to be called out. Sure we live in the here and now Mr Cope, but when people tell proveable lies, they need to be called out. You can try to move forward, but if you ignore the truth and then lie about it when you are supposed to be the leader of this country, then you are not much better than Donald Trump.
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    1:29pm
    Well, Horoscope, you HAVE totally missed the point of truth telling and the need to correct history when we know it's a BIG FAT LIE, starting with calling the continent 'Terra Nullius'. That's right, they said there were no people here and called our original inhabitants animals.

    So let's start removing public statues that remind and shame people, every time they see them, that Aboriginals are less than people and deserve their shitty treatment. Put these racist statues in the Colonial Museum, with their offensive plaques that state lies like this: "Captain James Cook discovered Australia". Then they will be preserved for history in their historical context, but won't continue to confront present-day Australians, black and white, with the lie and offense. Put a truthful plaque in the place where the statue was, and tell when and where Cook landed and that the original statue and plaque can be seen in the Colonial Museum.
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    9:03am
    NO, Hoohoo. We have a right to OUR history too. It should not be destroyed for the sake of appeasing a few activists and being 'politically correct'. Yes, acknowledge the past -TRUTHFULLY and without exaggeration. But how dare ANYONE suggest we should not be permitted to acknowledge our own history and the people how made Australia what it is today. That will create enormous resentment and anger that will fuel the fires of racism.

    No statue has ever been guilty of declaring that people deserved bad treatment. But what we are seeing today is a lot of nasty and vicious accusations against innocent people because of what some of their ancestors MIGHT have done. Never mind that their ancestors contributed enormously to the wealth and prosperity of this country, and gave their lives for our freedom and security. No. That doesn't count!

    There are plenty of lies being told - most of them, today, by activists falsely claiming to be Aboriginal and attacking white Australia.

    Yes, a lot of our history is tragic and shameful. But it IS history. So let's acknowledge it and leave it there, recognizing how far we've come since and working together, as one united people, to make Australia a better place for EVERYONE.

    And BTW, anyone who claims a public statue reminds them that Aboriginals are less than people is a lying idiot. A statue is nothing more than a salute to a historical figure whose achievements deserve recognition. We can all acknowledge that those past heroes did some wrong and were misguided in some respects. But they were part of our past - a past that happened and that we cannot change. Nor should we be blamed for it or punished for it.

    Personally, I find the constant harping about Aboriginals owning the land grossly offensive, since I was born here and my forefathers fought and died for this country. Nobody starts public ceremonies with acknowledgment of what my forebears sacrificed for this country. Even ANZAC ceremonies now are dominated with speeches acknowledging Aboriginal rights.

    So some in past centuries made mistakes. GET OVER IT. We have far better things to do with our time and far better things to do with public money than raving on about the past being 'offensive' and replacing public statues. And while reverse racism continues, the fires of racism will be fuelled. We would be far better served focusing on finding solutions for ALL disadvantage of ALL Australians.
    Suze
    14th Jun 2020
    10:10am
    Agree Horace Cope and Youngagain.
    All Lives matter even animals
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    12:00am
    Youngagain, what do you think 'OUR HISTORY" actually is? There's only one truth and it should exist for ALL AUSTRALIANS. So you need to understand that white history has a very black beginning. Black history started on this continent thousands of years before any colonial set foot on it. So you can't say "Captain James Cook discovered Australia". He didn't. It is you who needs to get over it. Cook was a fantastic navigator but he did NOT discover Australia.

    You can shove your public money up your arse because you never did much good with it anyway. Blackfellas never asked for it. What they HAVE asked for is a voice and self-determination, without Whitefella values deciding what's best for Aboriginal communities.

    Read again what I said - I didn't say anything about destroying your precious colonial statues. I said put them in a museum and out of sight and offense for normal 2020 Australians. Old racists like yourself can go see them all together in their inglorious glory. I used to walk under that Captain Cook statue with its offensive plaque in Randwick when I was a student at UNSW. That plaque tells an ugly lie that lead to the terrible treatment of Blackfellas on this land. It's not past history - it's happening today in the form of racial profiling which leads to unfair incarceration rates and deaths in custody. The situation is getting worse, not better, despite Royal Commissions. You are denying reality with your let bygones be bygones. It's not past history.

    You seem to be in a haze thinking only white soldiers fought in wars to protect Australia. Hello? Blackfellas fought before they were even citizens of any country and when they returned they got nothing, unlike white soldiers. Some of them were 'allotted' to white-owned farms. Many were massacred by armed British Law enforcers in the so-called Frontier Wars, without any history book being able to validate it. We can only presume from the skeletons. You need to accept the very ugly truth those fated words "Terra Nullius" caused. Empty of people. Only animals. No Treaty, Sovereignty never ceded.

    I'm not against finding solutions for ALL disadvantage of ALL Australians, in fact I write about it on this site regularly. You are just trying to pit people against each other. Do you think we can only choose one group and not the other? Equality means for everyone. You sound like Pauline Hanson with your silly 'reverse racism'. Get a grip. Stop dividing people and become part of the solution, not part of the problem.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    10:52am
    No, Hoohoo. YOU are trying to pit one against another. You want to favour some and disfavour others. You want some to lose so others can gain. We should ALL gain together, as one.

    Let me tell you about reverse racism. I have a dear friend (white) who grew up terribly disadvantaged in an orphanage, with no family. He suffered horrid abuse and deprivation for no better reason than that his mother was mentally ill. He grew up and got a job and worked hard, married, and raised children. Life was hard and he got no help from anyone, but he did okay. His son married and bought a modest home with a small granny flat attached for my friend and his wife. His son had two lovely daughters. He was struggling to pay a mortgage, but working and doing okay. Then the government decided to promote 'racial integration' and 'a better deal for the Indigenous'. They bought every second house in his street and gave it to a black family. Two years later, my friend's son's house was worth half what he'd paid for it and he was living in hell. The street was littered with broken bottles and smashed up cars. The surrounding houses were wrecked. Parties went on until all hours. His children could not go outside for fear of taunts of 'stinking whities' and stones thrown at them. He had to sell up, at a massive loss, and buy elsewhere. He has had no help from anyone, but those blacks didn't work. They walked around with thousands of dollars in their wallets from mine profits and spend their lives drinking and gambling and partying. You think he doesn't have some resentment toward blacks? That's why reverse racism is bad. His is not an isolated case. This is what is dividing people. To be part of the solution, you have to STOP THE DIVISION, and that means STOP favouring one race over another.

    You promote division by calling me racist. I'm not. But you are. You call me racist for wanting a statue representing OUR history to remain where it is - for not considering it insulting. You call me racist for acknowledging sensibly that what Cook saw here was 'Terra Nullius' in his eyes, and only a paranoid nutter would suggest that meant he didn't acknowledge there were people. You call me racist for acknowledging that there was no way any valid treaty could have been created or signed given the level of understanding of the Indigenous. I am NOT racist. Unlike you, I don't want favours for some and not others, based on race. I don't want division. You are the racist.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    12:41pm
    So throwing money at those hopeless Blackfellas didn't help them one bit, did it? All it did was feed their alcoholism and dysfunction, which only started when colonials arrived on their shores. It's long overdue that governments listen to what Elders want. Leaving it to market forces and then white interventions (because whites think they know best) is disastrous for both black and white. All the money in the world won't replace their country and culture that was taken or bribed out of them by the mining company, in cahoots with the government.

    Just look at Adani today. Adani bought off a few local Blackfellas by providing 'jobs' in exchange for their traditional country, sacred sites, precious water and culture. When the real traditional custodians jacked up they prevented the government from signing off with their deal with Adani because there was a clause saying the traditional custodians had to unanimously agree on the deal. So what did our shitty government do? They changed that law, so that the sell-outs could overtrump the real traditional custodians of that country. Not before they were driven bankrupt by court proceedings, stretched out for that very purpose, as the rich and powerful always do to buy 'justice'. Now they have to beg Adani to perform traditional ceremonies on their own country. The huge amounts of ground water given to Adani for free is threatening their sacred permanent waterhole.

    Once they've been separated from their country they'll never be able to claim land rights in the future because it's necessary to have a continual connection with their country. We must learn and listen, not try to shut them up and shout them down, screaming 'Reverse racism!" They don't want what Whitefellas want, if only they were asked for their perspective. They trashed those white housing because obviously, that's not what they value. Those are white values. They DO deserve to be treated differently because they are still suffering today, with the establishment still trying (successfully) to take their country, even while the white law of the land actually dictates that they must cede sovereignty with a formal Treaty. It's happening TODAY, not in some long lost history recorded by Whitefellas.

    I know your solution to treat everyone equally is genuine, but if Blackfellas were in charge of the country and THEY decided how equality was to be achieved for all the populace, maybe only then would you realise that your solution is determined by your white values, as well-meaning as they may be. Blackfellas want self-determination, not so-called solutions decided and delivered by white institutions.
    Youngagain
    16th Jun 2020
    5:46pm
    Blackfellas DO decide how equality is to achieved, Hoohoo. That is, a minority of loud-mouthed black activists and selfish elders. They have demanded - and gained - massive financial handouts, land rights, free legal aid, free education, health benefits, free housing, reduced accountability for crime, an endless string of 'special' days and weeks acknowledging their past, speeches at the start of every public ceremony, exclusive access to opportunities in the arts, guaranteed employment preference, large grants to start businesses, special welfare benefits, restrictions on whites accessing parts of our own land. On and on and on it goes, and they are NEVER satisfied. Now they want to demolish our statues and deny us our special days. They want to scream accusations and blame. They are entitled to take legal action against anyone whose comments are interpreted as racist, but they claim the right to make the most horrendously offensive and insulting racist remarks about whites publicly. On one radio station we used to listen to, the continual barrage of nasty anti-white comments is enough to make a white man want to leave the country and take everything the white man brought here, built or created with him. It's vile and disgusting. The continual barrage of insults and lies made me physically sick - but we are not entitled to object! The law does not hold them to account.

    The lies being told to justify demands are endless. Figures on black deaths in custody, for example, have proved conclusively that a very small percentage of blacks die in custody compared to whites and black deaths are primarily from natural causes. Virtually none in the past three decades resulted from police or prison warder interference. Also, claims of blacks killed by whites are blatant lies, but blacks are killing blacks. Family violence and sex abuse is rampant in black communities, and it's NOT the white man to blame. Until blacks take responsibility for their own behaviour and stop playing victim and allocating blame, nothing can change.
    Hoohoo
    17th Jun 2020
    6:59pm
    The more we ignore well-thought-out strategies like the Uluru Statement and ignore the findings of Royal Commissions again and again, the less chance we have of ever making it right.

    Are you surprised Blackfellas are really angry now? When the only 'solutions' so far have been useless white institutions wasting money implementing white values that are presumed superior? Wasting money that only makes Whitefellas like yourself (and me) angry? If you treat adults like children with a 'mummy knows best' attitude, they'll never learn how to take responsibility. Now they are ready to be given the reigns because they know the solutions to their own problems, which differ for every different community.

    I bet those Blackfellas 'employed' by Adani will be driving around in flash 4WD and wasting the opportunity they've got for selling out their country and culture.
    Youngagain
    18th Jun 2020
    8:26am
    Blackfellas paid by Adani for doing nothing except claiming they own the land will be drinking and partying and destroying their lives and those of their children, and chanting messages of hate against the white man who feeds them.

    Intelligent, mature blackfellas will acknowledge that change happens - sometimes good change and sometimes bad - and get on with making the best life they can for themselves and their families, just like all the white people who have had to live with injustice and torment and poverty and unwelcome social change have HAD to do.

    Injustice is colour blind. Poverty is colour blind. Change happens and it impacts us all. Some change we are powerless to stop, and some change is good for us even if we don't immediately recognise the good. But bad change happens and we have to live with it. It's part of life. It's happened since the beginning of time.

    Stop making it all about race. Grow up and accept that strong, intelligent people adapt and move forward and weak, pathetic, pea-brained selfish people waste their lives ranting about it and demanding compensation. The tragedy in Australia today is that the strong don't have the guts to tell the weak, selfish, pea-brained to bugger off and shut it. We are destroying society by giving in to the selfish tantrum-throwing toddler-brained whingers instead of telling them to GROW UP.

    Life throws us all curved balls - some more than others. Catch them or dodge them. It's entirely YOUR choice what you do with what life deals you. And the choice you make defines you. A lot of folk who were born disadvantaged have chosen to be strong, intelligent and proud, adapting to change and focusing on the positives in our society. THEY have done very well for themselves and are leading happy lives. Those who made the opposite choice - no matter what their race - are living with anger and misery, and sorry, but they deserve it.
    Hoohoo
    18th Jun 2020
    5:34pm
    You're totally ignoring the burden and privilege Blackfellas have to preserve their country and their religion/culture, not just for themselves and their families in a white, greedy way, but for posterity. Genocide didn't work. They survived, and not by kowtowing and integrating into white society. Why should they?

    You've said EXACTLY what I said - "Blackfellas paid by Adani for doing nothing..." (actually, Adani and the government are calling it employment) ... but it's not in exchange for claiming they own land at all! On the contrary! It's in exchange for giving up their land, their culture, their sacred sites and everything that might keep them strong and off the grog.
    Yes, THEY will probably be the ones drinking and partying and destroying their lives and those of their children,..." with their new-found but empty wealth, because they've sold their souls, so they'll be forever lost unless they start thinking like Whitefellas 100%. But your racism is showing with the rest of your sentence "...and chanting messages of hate against the white man who feeds them." What chanting? - they've thrown that out with their culture when they sold out to Adani. What white man is feeding them? (Adani's quite brown, I'll have you know). Why are you so condescending to Blackfellas? It sounds like you want Whitefellas to keep control and if Blackfellas start playing it Whitefella way and getting money Whitefella way, you're down on them like a ton of bricks. They just can't win in your eyes unless Blackfellas sit down, shut up and suck it up. Well they're sick of it! They've had a gut full of well-meaning, condescending white control. It's their turn to talk and our turn to listen.
    Hoohoo
    18th Jun 2020
    5:56pm
    You're showing a very nasty mindset with your last line saying people "living with anger and misery...they deserve it."

    Hasn't it occurred to you that our society demands winners and losers in a certain ratio? It's a silly joke to imagine everyone could possibly be rich and prosperous. That's not Capitalism, my friend, that's fantasy land.

    So you think miserable, dysfunctional poor folks deserve it because they were blind to the opportunities presented to them? That illness, disability or bigotry might not have played a part? Or that alcoholic or druggy parents didn't affect their chances for opportunities? Or that being born with foetal alcoholic syndrome might not make a difference? Do you think they all deserve the scrapheap, do you?

    Why not at least give everyone a chance to shine? Free early childhood learning (for everyone) would make a huge difference to even out results for disadvantaged people. It's proven to increase school results and for the rest of their lives. Some kids just never 'get' school and are left behind for the rest of their lives.
    Youngagain
    18th Jun 2020
    7:55pm
    We have all had to deal with change Hoohoo. Many of us have been displaced, deprived of our culture and tradition and thrown into a strange and frightening world. It's happened to people of ALL races - not just blacks.

    Sure, give EVERYONE a chance to shine. STOP MAKING IT RACE-BASED. Whites now own a lot of Australia. Get over it. It's fact. History happened. Change is part of life. We can adjust and move on, or be miserable. It's a choice. And yes, those who choose to be miserable deserve their misery, because it's all about attitude. Don't know how to live in white society? CRAP. They ARE white. There are virtually no full-blooded black-fellas left. In fact, very few have more than about 1/4 Indigenous blood.

    No, Hoohoo, I don't think dysfunctional poor folk deserve misery, and I don't think their children deserve to be on the scrapheap. But white poor folk ARE on the scrapheap. They get NOTHING, except unfair blame and accusation and demands that they sacrifice their history, culture and tradition. I do, however, think that the educated, privileged black activists who spend their days demanding unfairness and perpetrating racial hate against whites DESERVE misery. I do think blacks who refuse to even try to adapt to a changed world deserve misery. I do think blacks who nastily accuse and insult whites deserve misery. I do think blacks who are greedy and selfish and demand excessive favouritism deserve misery. The genuinely disadvantaged blacks? There are not many of them, and they already get massive aid, but I'd love to see them get more of the right kind of help.

    I'm all in favour of free education for all disadvantaged people. ALL. Not blackfellas. Not non-whites. Not non-indigenous. ALL. When ALL are being helped equally, racism will end.
    Hoohoo
    20th Jun 2020
    7:02pm
    Well I can happily agree with your last paragraph but the rest of your posts are usually racist spew that comes straight out of the mouths of those like Alan Jones and Sky 'News' opinion pieces.

    I have an analogy: You're like Eddie Mcguire whingeing about AFL expansion teams getting benefits that his club Collingwood don't get, but while all the teams must play the Grand Final at the MCG, Collingwood's home ground, (to their great advantage). The VFL became the AFL for the survival of every club while getting money in from all over Australia to the detriment of NRL basketball, athletics and soccer. Eddie wants the money but he seems to always forget how Victorian teams have an enormous advantage come GF day and also all season because they don't have to travel long distances often, unlike all the non-Victorian teams. There are also disadvantages come the Draft and signing interstate rookie stars to them. The disadvantages can never be compensated for, but it doesn't mean the AFL should ignore using measures to level up the gaps.

    Hope you follow AFL.
    Hoohoo
    20th Jun 2020
    11:00pm
    but not Collingwood!
    tisme
    12th Jun 2020
    5:07pm
    there still is slavery, those who care for family 24/7 for years n years n years often into thier own old age, no sick pay /time off , superannuation , and the govt pays them a pittance of 3.50 an hour, they have no rights and no one to fight for them ,
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    9:05am
    Well said, tisme. Too busy ranting about removing statues that are 'offensive' and acknowledging selected versions of history to focus on addressing the REAL problems faced by Australians of all races.
    Suze
    14th Jun 2020
    10:13am
    The world is overpopulated ... parents should look after their own children and not be paid by the Taxpayer to breed like cattle
    *Loloften*
    16th Jun 2020
    7:05am
    Agree Youngagain, so very well said tisme. 24/7 loving family Carers are shockingly neglected & eventually have to live on the meagre OAP (below the poverty line) with no savings, no unaffordable Health Insurance, ever increasing essential services (including Internet access as it's become an "essential" in past few yrs) etc.............................. Suze, you're sounding a bit "bitter"- have no doubt that the vast majority of parents would far prefer to "look after their own children" & do not, insultingly "breed like cattle." If the main full-time bread-earner's wages were increased by ard 12% annually as are most of our Politicians, perhaps both parents would not need to earn a full-time wage/salary to give their kids their own backyard to play in/afford a home of their own. Don't know how old u are Suze however if young, we "seniors" were also subsided by so-called Taxpayers" (we're all Taxpayers, GST on almost all purchases including many foods is a Tax). It wasn't nearly as much Childcare subsidies et al these days, t'was named "Child Endowment." We were also lucky enough to have @ least one parent who was retired, fit, well & blissfully happy to mind their grandkids while both parents worked & received annual pay increases similar to the CPI (that hasn't been happening for our children/their families). Also the retirement age for females used to be 55 way back then, increased to 60...think (not exactly sure) it's now 65. Superannuation was unheard of 'til we seniors were in our late 30s/early 40s & was only 2%. I'm really fed up with current "Babyboomers" being compared to our kids, "things" weren't as easy as u appear to believe....homes still increased by 8-10% annuallly as have been for many decades & still are now, it's never been "easy," never will be.
    Aussie focussed
    12th Jun 2020
    5:32pm
    So slavery occurred and is documented. How about child abuse, incest, vd., that is also documented in the APY lands. We know it is in the now. Also, so there were no historical indigenous wars, no killings, no rapes, no murders?! Just the snake dreaming and the emu dreaming and no homicides ........ ohhhhhhhh that is because there are no records yehhhhh. Now how about reporting all the deaths in custody ..... black/white/brown and so on. What about the corruption ......what about me having to be asked am I of indigenous or Torres Strait decent? Why? Is that discrimination or....... affirmative action!!!!!
    Peterseaford
    12th Jun 2020
    6:24pm
    Dear sir
    What you say is true but the press - ABC and SBS will not report this
    Why don’t Aboriginal women stand up and scream , we want a peaceful life for all

    I am stupid enough to believe all men are born equal and we cannot change history

    In Arabia women are abused but when they are here they say they are not abused

    Why all the lies by women in Australia
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    1:45pm
    Wake up, my dear entitled white male. Yes, Peter, you are indeed stupid if you believe all men are born equal. Even women? Most Aboriginal people are born into abject poverty, so do you really believe they are born equal to the Prime Minister's children?

    And I must add to the first statement "...child abuse, incest, vd., that is also documented in the APY lands. We know it is in the now." The crimes and social dysfunction mentioned are rife and documented all over Australia right now, not just in Aboriginal communities. As with many disadvantaged groups, crime rates are higher than the average crime rates, but the victims of that crime are trapped in with the criminals, too poor to get out.
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    9:13am
    Now, Hoohoo. YOU WAKE UP. Whites are NOT entitled. Many suffered hideously in the past and still do today. And THEY don't get any of the special benefits granted to ALL Aborigines - disadvantaged of otherwise - merely on the basis of race.

    Disadvantage, injustice, a shameful past... NONE of that discriminates based on race. ALL peoples around the world can point to wrongs in their history.

    Most Aboriginal people are NOT born into abject poverty. That's crap. There are plenty who are very privileged. Twice, in my life, an Aboriginal has gone to great lengths to do something to help my family because they recognized that THEY were privileged in a way that was totally unfair and that I was suffering discrimination because of being white.

    When we stop ALL discrimination based on race and start dealing with people based on their current circumstances and needs, we might end racism. Ranting about history won't fix it - ESPECIALLY when the rants are racist and history is distorted or exaggerated for the purpose of political correctness (which is happening now).

    Many Aboriginals, today, still need extensive help. There are too many pockets of abject poverty. But plenty of whites are also born into abject poverty also. Stop the racism by acknowledging all equally and focusing on improving Australia for ALL Australians.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    12:19am
    I agree there are many poor white people trapped in poverty. But they aren't relegated to the scrap heap simply because of the colour of their skin.

    I have worked with and know many Aboriginals who are successful in white society, mainly because they were educated in white institutions. But did it occur to you that they might also be considered successful because they know their country, their bush tucker, their language and their law, without the need for much money at all? They are successful because they have survived, despite the racist treatment and attempted genocide by whites.

    You say "Ranting about history won't fix it..." Well denying the truth about our history certainly won't fix it. By denying the truth It's you who is distorting and de-emphasising history for your own political purposes. Why don't you want to address the past? Truth-telling is what Blackfellas are demanding and your continuing to shove it under the rug is only making it worse for our whole country. Truth-telling is the only way we can heal and move forward, not this continual "get over it" barb. That's what entitled people say.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    9:59am
    So it's worse to be relegated to the scrap heap because of race than because of poverty? It's okay to discriminate against innocent children born into terrible hardship if they happen to be white? THAT'S RACISM AT ITS WORST!

    I'm not denying anything. We all recognize Aboriginal history. It is taught in our schools. We know what happened. But the blame game is harmful, and the exclusive privileges granted to some and not others is divisive. Denying truths of white history is divisive. Demanding whites sacrifice their culture and withdraw from acknowledging their heroes is divisive.

    Blacks are NOT demanding truth-telling. They are demanding unfair favouritism and driving hatred with accusations and blame. And it's only a loud minority and a lot of misguided whites supporting that minority. The vast majority just want to get on with living the good life they acknowledge they have thanks to whites settling Australia.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    11:13am
    "But did it occur to you that they might also be considered successful because they know their country, their bush tucker, their language and their law, without the need for much money at all?"

    Of course, Hoohoo. So might the Jews have done perfectly well in Germany if allowed to stay rather than being forced to flee to America and change their lives. So might the Chinese if not forced to flee Communism with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. So might the children of our soldiers who died fighting for our freedom if their fathers had lived. So might the American Indians if America wasn't invaded. So might the Negroes if not captured and taken to America. People all over the world are displaced and deprived of their history and culture for all kinds of reasons. Lives have to change - often painfully. And most of us have to just get over it and get on with adjusting. But when it comes to blacks, they want more and more and more 'recognition' and sympathy and favours. And the more they get, the more they want. There is no end to the demands and they get more and more unreasonable. The blame game gets nastier.

    Their history IS recognized. Every ceremony, small or large, begins with a speech recognizing their history. They have more special days (and even weeks) to recognize their history than we can count, and still they want to cancel the few that mean something to us - like Australia Day. And the sad part is that it's a noisy minority, supported by blind gullible fools who mistakenly think privilege is a result of being white, making all the unreasonable demands. The majority of Aboriginals don't even support the nonsense. But still it goes on.

    Now we have rioting in the streets claiming black deaths in custody and protesting a death in another land. Never mind the FACTS of these matters. Ignore the fact that black deaths in custody are mostly from illness or old age. Ignore why they are in custody. Ignore the fact that hurt happens when people resist arrest (and colour has nothing to do with it). Ignore the American's criminal history. Ignore that he was dying of heart disease and drug overdose and two coroner reports say the pressure on his neck was not enough to kill him. Ignore the fact that he raised his head, but that part of the video was conveniently cut out. Just rant and destroy and risk public health and scream racist chants. And lie to the world to laud a criminal as though he was a hero.

    We have far fewer deaths in custody than we might have if racism wasn't rampant and keeping blacks out of jail. The black who broke into my store five times and robbed me was never punished - because he was Aboriginal and 'disadvantaged'. I guess I wasn't disadvantaged by having two months' income stolen and having to pay another two months' income as an insurance excess to get my shop repaired? No. That doesn't matter in this racist country!

    Nobody is shoving the past under a rug. NOBODY CAN, with all the screaming and protesting that goes on. What we want to do - both whites and most Aboriginals - is just get on with building our country TOGETHER, without the division and the unfairness. Look forward. We all acknowledge the past happened. It was cruel to a lot of us, and race did not determine disadvantage or hardship. So let's stop the discrimination, accept that the past happened and nobody today can change it - nor is the current generation responsible for it. Agree that it happened and it hurt a lot of people in different ways, and not necessarily because of the colour of their skin (though sometimes that was a factor). Agree that it's sad and that those who still hurt - whatever the cause and whatever their race - should all be EQUALLY entitled to help - not favoured or denied because of their race. And let's get on with being ONE NATION and ONE PEOPLE.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    1:03pm
    Aboriginal people have been relegated to the scrap heap because of race AND because of poverty. It's not a competition for who has been treated the worse, mate. But if can make it better by acknowledging the truth, why don't we? Keep your money in your pocket - just open your ears.

    But if you really believe "... We all recognize Aboriginal history. It is taught in our schools." then you really DON'T know what happened AT ALL. The truth ISN'T taught in schools. I was taught that Captain Cook discovered Australia. He did nothing of the sort unless you're a British Imperialist from the 18th century. I'm not. Are you?

    Your comments about deaths in custody are disgusting lies. One young woman died relatively recently because she was presumed drunk (racial profiling) when she actually had a life-threatening head injury. She was locked up for being drunk and given no medical treatment. Her needs were ignored because she was black.

    Blacks are NOT demanding truth-telling, you say? Open your deaf, old white ears! Haven't you heard about the Uluru Statement?
    Your next comment is just pure putrid "The vast majority just want to get on with living the good life they acknowledge they have thanks to whites settling Australia." Oh thank you, big white chief bwana. You have saved us from ourselves. Whatever would we have done without your generous white colonialism? It just shows how at your core, you believe white is better than black. You're a racist.
    Youngagain
    16th Jun 2020
    5:58pm
    Aboriginals are NOT relegated to the scrap heap because of race or poverty, Hoohoo. They are given MASSIVE help in a million forms that whites cannot even dream of. If they are on the scrap heap, it's by choice - because of refusal to stop being victims and take responsibility for their own conduct. They have all the opportunity and assistance in the world.

    Yes, the comments about deaths in custody are disgusting lies, because most Aboriginal deaths in custody are from natural causes and virtually none are a result of police or prison warder interference. Nobody's needs are ignored because they are black. That's BS from racists who want to put everything down to race. It's a convenient excuse for failure and bad behaviour.

    I am NOT a racist. You are, Hoohoo. I believe ALL people are the same and should have the exact same rights and entitlements. Only racists want to pretend that whites get a better deal and jump up and down demanding that blacks be favoured. I do NOT believe whites are better than blacks. I believe people should be judged solely on their own behaviour and their willingness to take personal responsibility. Yes, the whites have been generous to blacks. Very generous. We did not save them from themselves, though. We gave them way too much and let them be whinging, demanding, grossly over-indulged victims who blame whites for everything and cannot take responsibility. For that, we owe them a profound apology. But they owe us a lot, and their accusations and blame and constant demands for more and more special benefits are disgusting, vile, unfounded, and RACIST IN THE EXTREME.
    Bakka
    12th Jun 2020
    7:04pm
    Yeh..he got this one very wrong, but OK where to now?
    I can say the same about my ancestors and if not the Brits then it would have been the Dutch or Portuguese ....same outcome same oppressive circumstances.
    The way things are going to our north it will probably happen again.
    “ The world was burning since the world was turning”
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    9:14am
    Spot on, Bakka.
    maelcolium
    12th Jun 2020
    7:50pm
    It exists today and is aided and abetted by the immigration indenture labor laws. These people are used in the farms and vegetable gardens where they work horrendous hours and have little freedom. Islanders are employed without protection of awards, crammed into houses and fed poorly. They have deducted from their wages the exorbitant rent, food, cost of furniture, travel costs etc whether they are working or not. Sometimes they are left with $150 from a fornight's hard work.
    The Chinese free trade agreement allows Chinese workers to be flown in and out and forced to work without direct recompense on similar conditions without reference to awards.
    Australia is a disgrace and a pariah in the world community.
    Aussie focussed
    12th Jun 2020
    7:53pm
    Slavery comes in many forms. Cruel blatant painful treatment, Roman gladiators boy that makes it sound impressive doesn't it!! How about non recorded wars between tribes and the mis treatment of the survivors BUT no records of the outcome ???!!! JUST look at what IS happening in West Papua Australia and the treatment of the indigenous people by the Indonesians. Read it, watch it BUT nor media recording of it hey! I do no condone the past, I do not forgive the past but what of the history before Europeans? They all lived in harmony, yeh right. The English as bad as they were produced an outcome better than the chinese, the French, the Indonesians did and do now. Look at any person/country/industry/company/ and do you not criticize a part a segment of their history as not being right by todays standard? For crying out loud ....
    Winston Smith
    12th Jun 2020
    8:49pm
    Yes, there almost certainly were disputes, but you could have done some research and not just guessed and speculated about it.
    Aussie focussed
    12th Jun 2020
    9:12pm
    Yes Winston I guessed that the West Papuans are being swamped by Indonesians and fighting a guerilla war right now 2020, Yes I suppose I guessed that the Australian Indigenous people do not have a severe problem with their community management and assimilating with OUR Federal governement and their own communities that are overun by mis management. Yes I suppose I guessed that the chinese have built massive re education centres for their OWN citizens ... Uyrghurs, and guess that the Indigeneous incarcaration is based on those in jail who broke the laws of the Australian comminities in which they live and share the 'benefits. Yes I did guess I suppose I did yeh ....right :) ...duh
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    9:40am
    You're rambling.
    Aussie focussed
    13th Jun 2020
    2:41pm
    Your'e right Winston I was. Dammit, I thought everyone on this site were rambling so I thought I had better. So much whingeing while they type on their chinese made keyboard using chinese owned power retailers and chinese built cables and infrastructure. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room. Oops more rambling. What country did not grow without taking over someone, yes I am guessing maybe the eskimos, how did our indigenous get here without going through another tribe's territory without aggression and killing?! But no records so it didn't happen. I am no researcher unlike many other notable contributors just fed up with BLM and the selective use of history and micro criticisms. So Winston Churchill is deemed to be a bad boy, yet saved Europe and in doing so probably us and what would Hitler and I think was it Tojo in Japan. What would they have done with our indigenous persons if they had won and Winston Churchill not used his same colonial brain and initiative?! What if .... oops rambling. Why can't peop just focus on where this country is going now and in the next 10 years, it isn't looking pretty. Yes I know more rambling but :)
    jennyb
    12th Jun 2020
    8:34pm
    Dear Mr Morrison - please sack your entire staff of spin doctors and press secretaries - they really aren't doing their jobs, are they? Obviously they didn't attend the very expensive empathy training that we paid for. You have not burnished your reputation by stating that there was no slavery in Australia. There was. End of story.
    devuman
    12th Jun 2020
    9:15pm
    There was no slavery in the form as practiced in the USA ans as depicted in the picture shown at the beginning of this article. And the villification of Scott Morrison by some of the eridite commentators so far just reveal their own inadequacies rather than his failings. But, of course, denegrating the PM gives them delusions of adequacy.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    9:39am
    Have you heard the song From Little Things Big Things Grow? There's a line in there that says "Gurindji were working for nothing but rations, Where once they had gathered the wealth of the land". It's true. They were also prohibited from travelling,so they couldn't leave. That's slavery.
    ex PS
    16th Jun 2020
    7:43am
    I reserve the right to denigrate anyone who has all the resources of the country at their dispisal, and still can't get right.
    It's funny how this P.M seems to only make mistakes that follow his own narrative.
    There are mistakes, and there are downright lies.
    PRJ
    12th Jun 2020
    9:33pm
    To stoop so low by referring to the Prime Minister as a “liar” and then define slavery quite differently to the context in which he was referring to slavery is not only poor academia, but also dishonest politicking. The article concedes we have never had slavery in the same sense as the southern USA. What you refer to as slavery in Australia, is dishonesty in relation to employment. That, on one form or another, goes on today. But it’s not slavery. Your article lessons my confidence in what is sometimes a helpful magazine.
    Grey
    12th Jun 2020
    10:06pm
    "lessens' you mean
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    9:38am
    PRJ - Have you heard the song From Little Things Big Things Grow? There's a line in there that says "Gurindji were working for nothing but rations, Where once they had gathered the wealth of the land". It's true. They were also prohibited from travelling,so they couldn't leave. That's slavery.
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    3:55pm
    And the Kanakas were black-birded from the Pacific Islands in EXACTLY the same way Africans were black-birded to the Americas (to Central America, the northern parts of South America and the USA). STOP DENYING THE TRUTH! Kanakas were also sent to other British colonies, such as British Columbia (Canada) and Fiji, in the 19th and early 20th centuries. They also worked in California and Chile.

    The irony for Australia was that the Kanakas were black-birded because the QLD sugar and cotton plantation owners deemed local black people to be lousy slaves, because they kept going 'walkabout', that is, following their religion to care for Country and feeding themselves with seasonal food, as they have done for millennia.

    Forget about what 'context' we are speaking about regarding slavery, because slavery is slavery. The next thing you'll be saying is sex slaves aren't real slaves like farming slaves, because sex changes the 'context' of what our little white minds think of when we say the word 'slavery'.
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    9:21am
    But we must not acknowledge white child slavery or the stolen white generation because it 'reduces sympathy for Aboriginals'. And we don't say much about Chinese slavery and the terrible abuse of the Chinese in Australia because they just get on with their lives and don't scream and whine and make unfair demands for reverse discrimination.

    Get over the past. It happened. It was cruel and hurtful for many. Many inherited huge disadvantage because of it. We are all AUSTRALIANS. Racist rants and special privilege will only divide and reduce our strength to go forward in positive ways.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    12:33am
    Child slavery of any kind is absolutely abhorrent. Why on earth would you think it 'reduces sympathy for Aboriginals'??? It's not a childish competition for sympathy. Yours is the language that deliberately divides people, like Trump's, Alan Jones and other loudmouths on Sky News.

    But those white stolen kids from Britain and Australian single mums were stolen because their parents were poor, not simply because of the colour of their skin. That's racism.

    I think you need to wake up to the present rather than tell me to get over the past. It's still happening today. Stop denying it.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    9:46am
    Hoohoo, when I said 'it reduces sympathy for Aboriginal' I was quoting the strong response of a politically-empowered Aboriginal group to an attempt to expose details of white child slavery. And a the behest of that group, the Government has denied that it ever happened to whites and accused those who experienced it of lying. I sent legal documents to Kevin Rudd to prove what occurred and he replied that 'it never happened', despite seeing documents bearing official government stamps that proved conclusively that it did.

    Like most Australians, you have swallowed the politically correct lies. I was not referring to kids stolen from single mothers. I was referring to children aged 3-15, taken from Australian homes - white families - for no valid cause (other, in many cases, than poverty). The vast majority of stolen Aboriginals were not taken because of race either. Most were taken either because they were neglected or abused (for their own protection) or because they were mixed race and their people rejected and abandoned them. Many whites were taken for the same reason, but many were taken without cause. How is it any less wrong to take a child because the family is poor than to take them because of race? Do you think poor children deserve to suffer for being born into poverty? Making an innocent child suffer for being brown-skinned is wrong but making them suffer for being white and poor is okay? Well, if you think that, you are in good company, Hoohoo. Because that thinking has determined the policies of our Government.

    I understand where your thinking comes from, Hoohoo, and your empathy is admirable. But you are seriously misguided. Racism did exist in Australia and it was abhorrent. But today, reverse racism is the problem, and racial tension will not ease until the reverse racism ends. I am not denying anything. You are!
    Hoohoo
    16th Jun 2020
    12:48pm
    I have a very dear friend whose father died when he was a child and my friend was sent to an orphanage in Parramatta. He was the only child from his family sent there, despite him having older and younger siblings. Poverty was the reason.

    Please stop saying I think white stolen children deserve any less recognition than black stolen children, whatever the reason(s). I think you are re-writing history about black stolen children and I find it offensive, especially considering their mothers were raped or bribed with rations when they conceived. Their rapist was often the same man who kept them all in that poverty you mentioned.

    It's this thinking that whites know best (and continue to try to enforce that) that is the main problem today. It's unconscious bias and I'm as vulnerable to it as the next Whitefella - I catch myself out on a regular basis. So I've learned to listen and SHOUT OUT LOUD when I hear someone else display it. Silence IS complicity. I was inspired by Adam Goodes when he made his stance not to be called an ape ever again, barbs like that directed at him all his life. It took great courage, especially as the name-caller turned out to be a 12 y.o. girl. He had had enough and I stand with him. I refuse to be silent about unconscious racism.
    Youngagain
    17th Jun 2020
    11:35am
    Hoohoo, stolen white children GET less recognition than blacks. Way, way, way less. In fact, blacks deny stolen white children even exist. Blacks got a formal apology. Whites were told they were 'forgotten' - not stolen. An insulting lie. Their families certainly did not forget them. Many fought for years just to try to make contact. Blacks get automatic compensation. Whites don't qualify for any at all, no matter what their circumstances. Blacks get huge special welfare benefits whether stolen or not. Stolen whites get no more than any other white.

    I am NOT rewriting history. I acknowledge the past. I also know, however, that there is gross exaggeration of the past. The vast majority of 'stolen' Aborigines were taken for their own protection because their tribe abandoned them for having mixed blood, or because they were neglected or abused. Check out the current stats on sexual abuse in black communities. It's horrific. Abuse of blacks by blacks. Check out the figures on family violence. Do you think vulnerable children should be left in those communities to suffer? But if they are taken, they are 'stolen' and the white man owes them compensation.

    Yes, black women were raped by whites, and that's shocking. Blacks were enslaved, and that's shocking. But as President John Kennedy said, we don't fix anything by looking back. We must all look forward as one united people in order to achieve. The problem we have is that blame and accusations is dividing the populace. Unfair treatment of disadvantaged whites is dividing the population. Unfair demands by blacks are demanding the population. Lies used to support unfair demands and accusations are dividing the population. If you want an end to racism, you need to STOP allowing reverse racism to inflame and cause more division.

    You acknowledging one stolen white doesn't help anything. Why aren't you publicly demanding recognition and equality for stolen whites? No, you go on and on about black disadvantage - which is widely recognized and extensively officially addressed - but say nothing about stolen whites until challenged, and then merely refer to one 'dear friend' who I doubt has ever received even a smidgeon of extra help to address the special challenges he faces, and certainly doesn't get any of the generous benefits afforded to blacks - whether stolen or disadvantaged or not.

    I won't be silent about racism either. The racism in Australia today is primarily in favour of blacks and against whites. And it needs to end. When it does, what anti-black sentiment does exist will dramatically reduce. And when blacks accept personal responsibility - as the majority do - the discrimination will end. Because it's NOT based on race. It's based on behaviour. But the badly behaved have to have an excuse. Just like Floyd's family had to blame race to cover up the fact that he was a criminal and a drug abuser resisting arrest. If he'd been white acting the same way, he'd have likely suffered the same fate. Excess use of force by police is wrong, but it's the excess force that's wrong. Race has nothing to do with it.
    Eddy
    12th Jun 2020
    10:26pm
    A very learned article, my only criticism is the authors try to apply 21st century morality to 19th century practices. Is that reasonable?
    I do not dispute some awful and reprehensible practices were perpetrated on Indigenous and South Sea Islander peoples but at the time they were considered 'indentured labour' rather than slaves, even if conscription into indentured labour was not always voluntary. While the distinction between slavery and indentured labour may be only a matter of degree, at least indentured labour had, in theory, an end point and some financial recompense. I do not advocate either sanitising or forgetting our history but it needs to be considered in context of the time. The other question is how far back in time do we go in time? At some stage a line has to be drawn under history. Is what happened over more than 100 years ago still relevant today? You cannot rewrite history, it is what it is, no matter how unpleasant in todays context.
    I suggest Mr Morrison is correct, we did not have slaves in Australia, it was illegal from 1807. We had indentured labour, no matter how academics want to portray it for reasons known to themselves. In the modern context 457 and 482 Visas are a form of indentured labour. The convicts were not slaves, they were undergoing punishment and in most instances were eventually released to lead lives as free men.
    I have seen the accompanying photo before only and it was nothing to do with slavery. It was described as aboriginals chained together being taken to gaol for crimes allegedly committed. I think it was taken in WA and the indigenous people were being transported to the prison on Rottenest Island.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    9:36am
    The problem is that Scott Morrison, the current beloved god of Lib lovers claimed it didn't happen.

    Have a read of https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/209392024/22669189?fbclid=IwAR1eafnD6lv_qqYU6WFWAsJKzNAiPse0drVnrzWanPizqRWiN6F72Qt8Co8
    Tanker
    13th Jun 2020
    11:08am
    The use of the term "Indentured Labour" was just a way of getting around the Law which prohibited slavery. It was slavery and Scotty for Marketing was clearly ignorant on what went on but should have checked as there are a number of sources that clearly laid it out.
    When making such a statement it is imperative that it is factual and not some fanciful belief.
    I migrated here in 1965 and I knew before I came here about blackbirding so why didn't native born Australians know it as well?
    Eddy
    13th Jun 2020
    1:52pm
    Winston, why would you use the commentary in a 1949 Stalinist era Tribune (Tribune was the official newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia). The Tribune was a tad biased politically and was possibly less reliable than todays Sky (aka Fox) News as a source of non-partisan reporting.
    I am not one of the 'Lib lovers' and I did not claim something 'didn't happen', I pointed out that planting 21st century morality on 19th century behaviour is not necessarily valid. Indentured labour was used long before Australia was settled by Europeans and is still in use today, although we may call it something different (like Return of Service Obligation or a 457 Visa, etc).
    I submit that the use of South Sea Islanders as indentured labour was not the same as slavery. Breaking an indenture and running away was not a crime. Generally SSI were not physically or legally restrained. Many left their assigned jobs and wandered the countryside and cities, others independently made it back to their original homes, many signed on as crew on ships, but they were not property as were slaves. Just after Federation the Federal Government repatriated about 10000 SSI back to their homes (not for reasons of humanity but as implementation of the White Australia Policy).
    The use of indentured labour and it's associated practices is an awful stain on Australia's past but please do not categorise it as something it wasn't. The treatment of our indigenous sisters and brothers is just as disturbing and, in todays context, indefensible.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    2:03pm
    Eddy - this is all about Morrison claiming there was no slavery in Australia. Simply put, he was wrong.
    Eddy
    13th Jun 2020
    3:25pm
    Simply put Winston your opinion is that our PM was wrong, my opinion is that he was not wrong. Your opinion or my opinion are not always the reality, it is just our opinions so we just have to agree to differ.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    3:33pm
    No Eddy. I am talking facts. You are playing with definitions so you can avoid the truth.
    Eddy
    13th Jun 2020
    3:51pm
    No Winston, I suspect you are manipulating the truth for your own ends, however that is my opinion, and my facts are what I can glean from history, not from 1949 Stalinist era Communist Party newspapers. If anyone is playing with definitions it is not me.
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    3:59pm
    Slavery is slavery.
    Please stop making excuses for Morrison's ignorant and insulting gaff.
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    4:06pm
    Eddy, you're trying to twist the truth by being pedantic. It's ugly and insulting.

    Next time you hear a Blackfella talk about truth-telling, refer to your comments above and think of your denial of the truth about Australia's history of slavery (insert your own definition here).

    Slavery is slavery.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    3:13pm
    Yes, there was slavery. And it was shocking. And it doesn't exist now. And we have bent over backwards compensating and making reparation and apologies. It happened to non-Indigenous also - but they don't count!
    It's time the past was laid to rest and we got on with building a future TOGETHER - as one - instead of dividing a nation with all this reverse racism and discrimination against white Australians.
    Hoohoo
    16th Jun 2020
    12:50pm
    There are sex slaves from former USSR countries and Asia IN YOUR CITY TODAY! Some are women. Some are children, of both sexes. Don't you think they qualify as slaves?
    Youngagain
    16th Jun 2020
    5:23pm
    Like I said, Hoohoo, non-Indigenous slaves DON'T COUNT. In this racist nation, only the black fella matters. Only black lives matter. Other races aren't constantly whining and making demands and blaming - nor do other races enjoy anything remotely close to the benefits, concessions and special privileges Aborigines can claim. All over the world, minority groups of blacks are discontent, violent, living in the past, and unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives and futures.

    The first slaves shipped to the American colonies were 100 Irish children. Over 100,000 Scots were taken as slaves. Convicts in Australia (English whites) were treated as slaves. White Australian orphans were enslaved.

    Get over the racism. Yes, slavery happened. To some extent, it still does. But it DID NOT discriminate on race. Injustice, poverty, cruelty and discrimination happens all around to world to people of every race, colour, religion, gender, age and sexual orientation. When people STOP pretending the black man is more disadvantaged because of his colour, racism will end. Most 'racial discrimination' is in fact discrimination based on behaviour - but people who behave badly always blame 'racism' for the consequences. George Floyd is a perfect example. He was NOT pinned to the ground because he was black. He was pinned to the ground because he was a criminal, heavily under the influence of drugs, acting irrationally, and resisting arrest. Race wasn't the issue at all, but it's a convenient excuse for protests, vandalism and violence. (And no, he didn't deserve to die and what happened was horrific, but let's keep it in perspective. He was not innocent.)
    Youngagain
    16th Jun 2020
    5:25pm
    Interesting, Hoohoo, that you replied to a post you thought you could dispute, but not a word in reply to my examples of white disadvantage. Says it all.
    Mike Omment
    12th Jun 2020
    10:51pm
    The pyramids in Egypt were built with slave labour ....Im looking for volenteers
    to help me knock them down
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    9:34am
    No. The Pyramids almost certainly were built by paid labourers. Pharaoh was rich.

    The slave story was racist propaganda in the Bible.
    Tanker
    13th Jun 2020
    11:09am
    Spot on Winston and the story perpetuated by Hollywood.
    gerry
    13th Jun 2020
    7:32am
    Up until1950 farm workers worked 7 days a week
    Why not whinge about slavery and brainwashing in China
    Convicts said they were lucky to get away from the slavery in England re Toll Puddle Martyrs
    Aboriginals were like stick insects when rescued ,They didn't believe their luck when they no longer had to hunt for a kangaroo for a week and then only had to walk up to a sheep and stab it with a stick,,70,000years of pain and suffering ended at last
    Where are my land rights,,,,Russia ,Uk,,, Germany,Bulgaria ??????
    The white man is spoiling the Aboriginal by doling out welfare and telling them how wonderful their art and culture is instead of bringing them into the fold with education
    I lived in the south of England and I too was dumb and isolated until socialism opened up so many opportunities fOr me...
    WHATS UNDER THE LAND BELONGS TO ALL AND STUFF ALL THE PRIMITIVE SUPERSTITION

    70,000 years and noculture,no clothes ,no wheel ,no houses and no farming
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    9:33am
    "Why not whinge about slavery and brainwashing in China"

    Because it was in Australia that the current, beloved god of Lib lovers claimed it never happened.
    Tanker
    13th Jun 2020
    11:11am
    Gerry you need to do some more research into Australia's past. Why not read James Cook's journals where he commented on how fine looking men the Natives he saw in what became NSW.
    Eddy
    13th Jun 2020
    2:52pm
    Gerry to categorise our indigenous peoples by claiming they had 'primitive superstition' and 'noculture (sic), no clothes ,no wheel ,no houses and no farming' is totally wrong.
    What you characterise as 'primitive superstition' was their way of understanding the world, no different to other primitive superstitions that survive till this day. Would you advocate demolishing Westminster Abbey or St Pauls cathedral to make land available for car parking or high rise housing, these structures represent a 'primitive superstition'.
    Our Indigenous people had a strong culture, how do you think they survived for over 40,000 years. They had no need of clothes (although they did wear animal skins). They had no need for the wheel (necessity is the mother of invention) as they had no need to move loads heavier that they could carry. For housing they built gunyah out of branches and bark but being a nomadic culture had no need to build permanent structures. They had no need to farm as the land provided everything they needed.
    Back to 'necessity is the mother of invention'. When they carved their boomerangs they required an understanding of the application of some complex aeronautical theories. They understood the use of levers, probably before the Egyptians in 4000 BC or Archimedes in 300BC, when they fashioned a woomera. They hollowed trees for canoes and learned to fish. Our indigenous sisters and brothers re far from primitive people, they were just different to the European view of civilisation
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    4:09pm
    gerry, you've just made a case for your total ignorance.
    Observer
    13th Jun 2020
    8:57am
    More mania Life Choices? If that was slavery, there is more today, people working for a reward is not slavery! People who were arrested as the chained photo shows, for murder, and being taken to court, is SO misleading. It was a different era, and whites were similarly chained round the neck. Why are you promoting racial hatred Life Choices? Slavery involves selling and buying humans, and it NEVER occurred in historical Australia. Of course there was brutal and cruel mistreatment of aborigines and whites in our history. But it doesn't help our efforts for reconciliation when you promote lies like this. Shame on you Life Choices.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    9:31am
    Wrong. Have a look at https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/209392024/22669189?fbclid=IwAR1eafnD6lv_qqYU6WFWAsJKzNAiPse0drVnrzWanPizqRWiN6F72Qt8Co8
    Eddy
    13th Jun 2020
    3:04pm
    Winston, I see you are still promoting the Tribune, the newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia. Not that I am anti-communist per se but the Tribune was just too biased to be valid authority.
    Observer
    13th Jun 2020
    9:56am
    There is no doubt about the shackles and chains around the necks of prisoners, on their way to jail and in work gangs of prisoners, black and white. It was standard practice in that era, go to Port Arthur and become acquainted with how prisoners were treated. Cruel even horrific. But certainly not slavery and certainly not confined to aborigines. Read your history Winston, and I recommend you find a couple of books by Keith Winshuttle to get historical some truth about colonial Australia and aboriginals. It was a cruel era.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    10:02am
    Windschuttle? Really? The most discredited author on Aboriginal matters in the country! Referencing him shows you to be a wilfully ignorant, bigoted racist, with the emphasis on "wilfully". Please broaden your sources.

    Have you heard the song From Little Things Big Things Grow? There's a line in there that says "Gurindji were working for nothing but rations, Where once they had gathered the wealth of the land". It's true. They were also prohibited from travelling,so they couldn't leave. That's slavery.
    Observer
    13th Jun 2020
    11:26am
    Winshuttle has not been discredited, and is one of the few unbiased researchers that quote factual sources for his realities of colonial aboriginal life. Winston Smith betrays his inability be open to the facts by his personal attacks. If you cant refute the facts, attack the personality of the author? Chain gangs were and are a way to contain convicts
    There are many similar photos of white convicts in chain gangs. Google Hobart Town Chain Gangs, or Convict Chain Gang, Hindsight, ABC 2014. Wake up Winston.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    1:13pm
    More on Windschuttle then? He published his pygmies garbage with a co-author, Someone who never published another paper or book in his whole life, and doesn't seem to actually exist. What does that tell you about him? He was published in a journal of which he is now sole editor. Self publishing is not highly regarded in academia.

    I'm serious about your error in referencing him. It's not a sign of objectivity and good research.
    Observer
    13th Jun 2020
    11:30am
    Slavery by definition is ownership of another human being, by purchase. Imprisonment, especially of murderers and other offenders is NOT slavery it is imprisonment. People working for reward, wages, rations whatever, is NOT slavery, though we joke that it is. But wage slaves are not owned by their employers. Is that not obvious? When oh when do we start to proclaim the facts!
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    1:14pm
    So the Aboriginal stockmen who worked for nothing but rations, and weren't allowed to travel anywhere else, weren't slaves?
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    4:26pm
    You're in denial, Observer of not much. Colonials didn't pay ANYBODY for Blackfellas - they just took them as they wanted, including the women and children. Who should they have paid, to qualify for Blackfellas to be called slaves by your ridiculous definition? And it's CERTAINLY a ridiculous definition because Blackfellas were considered to be animals of the land. Slaves have to be people at least, don't they? They could never be called slaves then, according to you and your warped thinking.

    Being given white rations, when food for free was theirs for the hunting (if only they had their freedom to do so), is one of the crappiest deals I've ever heard of. And when their country was cleared for grazing sheep and a Blackfella killed a sheep to eat, where once his beloved native tucker abounded, he could be hanged by British law. Given rations! What a hollow gift! That's like a pregnant nun being given an abortion after the priest has raped her. At the Vatican, no less!
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    9:42pm
    Hoohoo, we would all be better off if you stopped making it about race. Chinese were enslaved too. White children were stolen, abused and enslaved. Racism in this country will continue to be a problem while people insist on making everything about race and favouring one race over another. If we dealt with people according to their circumstances, needs and what they deserve, ignoring their race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, etc., we might have a hope of ending the racism that virtue-seekers are causing.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    12:49am
    We need to right these wrongs, not deny the on-going suffering caused by them. What exactly do you think they 'deserve'?

    If you're true to form your answer would be to tell them to get over it. Just suck it up. You don't deserve anything, not even a voice. We're sick of your whining. More of the same and then throw some money at it to appease your conscience. Then whinge about them having their hand out all the time. Bludgers.

    And we wonder why things are getting worse for Blackfellas, never better. You talk about us treating everyone equally but ingrained bigotry in our institutions can never get that right. They just give the job to someone who looks like themselves, not the female, not the brown-skinned, not the queer, not the one in a wheelchair. It's not deliberate bigotry, it's just how entitlement thrives and multiplies.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    9:33am
    Hoohoo, it's people like you who are the problem. Nobody said they don't deserve anything, but nobody gets anything good in life by whining and demanding and blaming and making excuses. And when you justify the reverse racism, you drive racism. When you excuse failure and poor life choices, you drive more failure and poor life choices.

    Brown-skinned people get preference in most areas of life in Australia. They get massive benefits. There is no 'ingrained bigotry'. That's a rant used to justify greedy demands for unfair advantage. This 'entitlement' crap is a myth. The only 'entitled' are those who won't get off their bum and have a go. THEY get far too much sympathy and far too many handouts. Give this lot more because they suffered... Give that lot more because they claim someone hurt them by... Oh, and BTW, take off that lot because they aren't screaming 'racist' or 'sexist' or 'unfair'.

    It gets worse for Blackfellas because we let them make excuses and we give in to their demands. We perpetuate racism by putting stupid questions on every Government form and handing out aid based on race. We perpetuate racism by making speeches at the start of every ceremony that acknowledge one class of people but ignore the massive sacrifices and contributions of others. We perpetuate racism by having special arts and sports contests for one race only, but letting everyone enter the only contests native-born white Aussies can enter. We perpetuate racism by accusing and blaming white Australians for perceived wrongs by the ancestors of some of them, but we never acknowledge the hideous wrongs some white Australians suffered. No. If they suffer, it's THEIR FAULT.
    4b2
    13th Jun 2020
    12:17pm
    I guess Sco Mo and others like Downer who deny slavery existed in Australia are either dumb, ignorant, or jut totally uncaring for accurate history. So much for the brightest and best as they like to refer themselves. We can should do better.
    PlanB
    13th Jun 2020
    1:42pm
    All of those 4b2
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    1:45pm
    Scott is from the advertising industry. Does anyone really expect him to care about truth?
    PlanB
    13th Jun 2020
    2:14pm
    Yes, Morrison is a good second-hand car salesman -- a real load BS that he speaks -- with that ongoing smirk and jutting arrogant jaw and obviously knows nothing and is not interested and doesn't care at all.
    He is and has been trying to make up for the arrogant things he has done since he has been in power -- right from the start -- some say --he is doing great -- I can see through him and he is not fooling me for a second -- there is talk of having the young generation vote now -- maybe it is a good idea --
    PlanB
    13th Jun 2020
    1:37pm
    This mongrel has not won any points from me -- I am OVER him -- what is wrong with him -- saying no slavery!???

    We had slaves and cruelty in Australia AND also in NSW what about the blackbirding in
    Chinderah NSW and the blackbirding, there are still descendants from those island people there and gravesites as well, get you facts right Morrison! so-called PM
    Observer
    13th Jun 2020
    2:02pm
    Not much use trying to talk facts with people whose mind is made up, it only confuses them! Winston as I am a Professor of some 20 years standing, your view of Keith Winshuttle and his acceptance by academia is not well founded. Of course there is debate about many matters, but Winshuttles verifiable, valid sources are remarkably. One of his major works is "The Killing of History" which you might find enlightening since you are doing just that. As a youth I worked with aboriginal stockmen, and I still have friends among them. Of course they worked for rations and accommodation many years ago, for them and their extended family, and the were free to go, and did go on walkabout, anytime they chose. And they were never owned by anyone - (definition of slavery). But Winshuttle's best book on this area is "The Fabrication of Aboriginal History", apparently you have never heard of it. Have you published anything Winston? There are many other, rarely objective, unbiased and fact based as Winshuttle is. He is courageous (and verifiable) in refuting false orthodoxy such as this incorrect suggestion that there was slavery in Australia. Great integrity there.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    2:06pm
    It's easy to argue things when you make up the definitions.

    You can adore Windschuttle if you must, but any objective person would acknowledge that his views are at one extreme of possible perspectives.

    Any chance you could post in the right place to keep this conversation coherent?
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    4:45pm
    And when the Station-owner made Aboriginal women on 'their' land pregnant, they stole her children because they weren't proper black enough. Most of these stolen children ended up in orphanages as Wards of the State, and then the State had a ready pool of domestic slaves and stockmen to be sent out to work to nice, white farms or to privileged white families in the cities. A small minority were treated OK (considering they'd been stolen from their mothers and siblings, so most suffered terribly from that because they weren't free to go look for their mother or their mother's country), but a huge majority were even further abused. Many of the girls were raped by their owners.

    Some never found their mother, or their mother's country. They've been robbed of their country and their culture.

    Some are still waiting for their pay TODAY. They worked, against their will, and they weren't paid for it - it's called slavery.
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2020
    10:44am
    Dead right Hoohoo, and as you stated these stolen children were then sexually abused by the white race -- sort of makes me ashamed to be of the white race.

    Why we can not have equality and learn off each other beats me -- it would be a mich better place
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    2:45pm
    And whites were stolen and abused too. And Chinese were treated appallingly. Stop making it all about race and favouring one minority and we might progress in the goal of ending racism. The current carry-on is making it worse.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    12:51am
    Your denial makes it worse.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    9:24am
    Whose denial? I'm not denying anything. I'm saying it does nobody any good to discriminate and over-compensate, nor to rant on about one group's suffering being worse than anothers' or to keep on with this sick blame game. Get over it. It happened. Lots of bad stuff happened to lots of people. Those who put it behind them are succeeding and living happy lives. It's the whinging and blaming that is causing all the problems, and the people we make excuses for are suffering for our stupidity in excusing them.
    Tis only me
    13th Jun 2020
    2:05pm
    A lot of these comments make me ashamed of my generation. There was slavery and it can't be prettied up by calling it any other name. What's the point in trying to compare it to USA, China or anywhere else - doesn't make our history any better and doesn't go anywhere towards making things right.
    While I'm getting off the slavery point, people really need to ask themselves about their racist ideas. I was married to a Pacific Islander and have 4 wonderful sons, now adult. I can tell you from personal experience racism is alive and well. I won't go into each and every instance but I've had disgusting remarks made to me over the years and my sons have definitely been unfairly treated because of their skin colour on several occasions, right from school days. I now have some beautiful mixed race grandchildren and I'm hopeful that future generations will be more enlightened.
    Our generation has an opportunity and responsibility to help right the wrongs of the past. It's all too easy to expect people to forget and move on.
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2020
    10:47am
    Yes Tis only me, makes one wonder why the hell all these fancy while folk go to the trouble of getting spray tans and such to try and look as good as you people,

    Bless you and yours
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    2:50pm
    Tis only me, I could also quote a lot of instances of whites suffering racial discrimination and major disadvantage because they were white. But it's not politically correct to talk about that, is it? Until we stop boxing people and determining their rights and entitlements based on race, we can't end racism. Righting the wrongs does NOT mean making every white man wrong and blameworthy and giving every black man superior benefits and privileges. Nor does it mean making a huge fuss about selected parts of history.
    I, too, have a lot of beautiful mixed race relatives, including nieces and nephews. I love the Aboriginal people. But racism works both ways, and until we see an end to the blame and the accusations and the unreasonable demands, it won't end.
    This country belongs to ALL AUSTRALIANS. No race should have any more entitlement or recognition than any other.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    12:57am
    I'm very interested to hear about Youngagain's quotes about "a lot of instances of whites suffering racial discrimination and major disadvantage because they were white." Please tell all. Why do you think it's not politically correct to talk about, if it's the truth?
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    11:27am
    Wow, Hoohoo. Privilege certainly blinds! Are you really that ignorant that you don't know of instances of whites suffering because they are white? Well, elsewhere on this page I've noted two examples. Here's another.

    A family with a seriously disabled child, another healthy child, and the father earning the minimum wage in a labouring job applied for public housing. They were living in a run-down old house with broken plumbing, leaking roof and faulty wiring. They were denied - told there was a two-year wait. The Aboriginal neighbour, who had two healthy kids and was on unemployment benefits (which, for an Aboriginal were higher than for whites and actually totalled 10% more than the white labourer earned) was given priority and allocated a house within a week - because he was 'Aboriginal and therefore disadvantaged'.

    Later, the Aboriginal's kids went to preschool free of charge, transported back and forth in a taxi at no cost, and given a hot lunch. The white guy had to pay a king's ransom to the only (private) preschool that would take a disabled child. Later still, the two were found working side by side at the same place, for the same pay, and their kids went to the same school. A school excursion was planned. The white guy had to shell out $300 for his child to go. The black guy's kids went free. Later still, the black guy wanted to start a business. He got a grant of $25,000 to fund it. The white guy was not eligible for any such grant because... well, because he was 'white, and therefore privileged' (though his family still lived in poverty).

    There is a nice ending. The white guy decided to build himself a house. The black guy had gone into the excavating business. He dug all the footings for the white guy's house for free, because he was embarrassed at the unfairness that had benefited him solely on the basis of race.

    Oh, and I should add that the black guy came from a comfortably set-up family and his father was a professional. He was well educated. The white guy was an orphan who was forced into menial labouring work at age 15 - but he was relieved to escape a life of shocking abuse. And unlike the Aboriginals who received compensation for being 'stolen', the white guy got none because... well, he was white wasn't he? White and therefore 'privileged' (according to some!).

    Despite the vast differences in their circumstances, the two remain very good friends and their kids grew up together as good friends. But that black guy would never claim that racism disadvantaged him in any way. And he would never deny that reverse racism is dividing the nation and dealing with many very unfairly.

    Why is it not 'politically correct' to talk about it if it's the truth? Because people like you, Hoohoo, criticize Pauline Hanson (and me) for speaking these truths. You call us racists.
    Observer
    13th Jun 2020
    2:18pm
    UN Definition S13 It defined slavery as “the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised” ie ownership.
    You might read some of Geoffrey Blainey's books too, Winston Smith. Another well verified and applauded author who denies that aboriginals were enslaved, in many books and publications.
    Look, nobody denies there were horrific things happened in the colonial history in Australia and the world in general. But let's stick to the truth shall we? That is all I'm on about.
    Winston Smith
    13th Jun 2020
    2:22pm
    Blainey? ROTFLMAO. Do you actually realise how far to the extreme right your favourite historians are seen as being by most objective observers? I'm not asking you to tell me how wonderful they are, just to acknowledge their position on the spectrum.
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    4:52pm
    Historians like Blainey are part of the problem. This is why we were taught all that baloney in Primary School.

    Yes, Observer, please let's stick to the truth shall we? That is all I'm on about. You can't make the real truth go away by changing definitions to suit the KKK.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    9:20am
    The truth went away long ago, Hoohoo, thanks to idiots who subscribe to the rules of political correctness and want racism to prevail.
    I offered a historian - who writes history text books for secondary schools - documentary proof that a particular claim he was making was wrong. His reply? "I don't care about your proof. I have the contract to dictate the version of history our high school students will learn, and I will teach them the version I want them to learn."
    Sadly, there are a great many historians like him, and the version of Aboriginal history we are hearing today is massively distorted to suit the political agenda of a selfish minority.
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    9:20am
    The truth went away long ago, Hoohoo, thanks to idiots who subscribe to the rules of political correctness and want racism to prevail.
    I offered a historian - who writes history text books for secondary schools - documentary proof that a particular claim he was making was wrong. His reply? "I don't care about your proof. I have the contract to dictate the version of history our high school students will learn, and I will teach them the version I want them to learn."
    Sadly, there are a great many historians like him, and the version of Aboriginal history we are hearing today is massively distorted to suit the political agenda of a selfish minority.
    Chris B T
    13th Jun 2020
    2:24pm
    Cook navigated a course to the New Southern Land a Expedition and NZ/ South Pacific first.
    He satisfied his Backers/Superiors and then went back to England as The Barren Land was of no Interest to him. He did 2 more voyages but never Back to "AUSTRALIA".
    He only Charted a Course, did not bring Slaves or Enslave any occupants of "Australia".
    The Great South Land was known of and a Navigable Course was needed.
    This is all Cook is responsible for in Australian History.
    Tanker
    13th Jun 2020
    3:52pm
    Just to clarify. Cook was the person who actually put the position of Australia, or at least the East Coast, on the map. Prior to that the Dutch and the Portugese had been here but didn't have the means of accurately showing where it was on the map. He also mapped the east coast and the islands as well as N.Z. on that trip.
    Cook was a naval officer who achieved commissioned officer rank through his remarkable navigation abilities. He was unlike most officers who generally came from well to do families.
    He was not a tyrant and treated indigenous peoples he met on his voyages with respect and doesn't deserve the rubbish spouted about him.
    Australia was only used for convicts because of America getting independence from Britain.
    Chris B T
    13th Jun 2020
    4:31pm
    What part of My Comments said other wise.
    "He only Charted a Course, did not bring Slaves or Enslave any occupants of "Australia"."
    Just to Clarify "What"
    "The Great South Land was known of and a Navigable Course was needed.
    This is all Cook is responsible for in Australian History."
    Hoohoo
    13th Jun 2020
    4:59pm
    The only two things Cook did wrong was:
    1) He let historians claim he 'discovered' Australia (barely Cook's fault), and
    2) He told the lie that the land had no people - 'Terra Nullius". This lie has had grievous consequences for the people, to this day and beyond.
    Chris B T
    14th Jun 2020
    9:31am
    Hoohoo
    Were you there when these "Lies" were told.
    He had a Envelope containing a further "Expedition" after completing his First Mission.
    This is so no one else knew what was the Real Mission.
    On returning to England Cook would had no Control of what The Hierarchy had Planed/Told of events he encountered. He was a "Commissioned" seamen who lived for the sea if you wont another "Commission" shut up.
    Even today it is a very Brave Officer to speak out. Remember the Admiralty was the Rule Of Law no whistle bower Protection.
    The events were to overcome a bad situation and an excuse to Rid themselves of the "Prison Ships" and dump the problem else where. "What Better Lie Than Terra Nullius".
    This is no way I condone what happened, but experience has told me what was (More than likely to have occurred).
    Suze
    14th Jun 2020
    10:34am
    Back in those ages when a country invaded a country it was customary for many inhabitants to get killed
    Cook was not that sort of invader
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    2:39pm
    Wake up, people. The place WAS 'Terra Nullius' in the eyes of the British who came here from a place that had factories and shops and roads and where people wore clothing and ate with knife and fork and cooked with sophisticated implements and lived in houses built of stone or brick and timber using methods that were advanced for that time. He came to a land of nothing. Why wouldn't he call it that? It's rather childish to suggest that remarking, quite logically, on what he saw was an insult to Aboriginals. They WERE living in a primitive manner. The place was vast and empty - no signs of the kind of civilization Cook had left behind. 'Terra Nullius' wasn't a lie. It was a perfectly logical observation of what he saw.
    Hoohoo
    15th Jun 2020
    1:07am
    'Terra Nullius' translates to empty land. It's a lie. Not empty of people for over 65,000 years. No people = no Treaty. People need to cede sovereignty and that still hasn't happened to this day.

    "He came to a land of nothing" you say Youngagain. So now YOU are saying Aboriginals are nothing, too?
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    9:13am
    That's really childish, Hoohoo. The land WAS empty of houses, shops, factories, roads, plumbing and other infrastructure. It WAS 'Terra Nullius' in the eyes of people who had come from a completely different world. And as for a treaty... the people who inhabited the land wouldn't have had a clue what a treaty was let alone the ability to negotiate and sign one. If there HAD been a treaty, people today would be screaming that it was invalid because the weaker party didn't understand it.

    No, I did NOT say 'Aboriginals are nothing'. I said the land was empty in the eyes of those who arrived here, having been accustomed to a civilised world in which there was extensive infrastructure and where people wore clothing and ate with knives and forks. They commented on what they saw and experienced. To twist the meaning of their words now, for the purposes of political correctness, or selfish economic gain for a minority, is evil.

    We do NOT need to cede anything. A handful of soldiers were allowed to enter a country and those already here did not defend their rights. If they had allowed the Dutch to take over, nobody would be ceding anything and nobody would be tolerating their demands and handing out grossly excessive benefits to them either. If we had allowed the Japs to take over in WWII, nobody would expect them to cede it now. And I guarantee if the Chinese succeed in a takeover (which many believe they are trying to achieve) they will not cede anything to anyone or pay compensation or reparation to those whose land they take. They certainly didn't compensate those who were dispossessed in the Communist takeover of China.

    Takeovers happened in every country - most much more violent and cruel than happened in Australia. But the reality is that the land now belongs to ALL Australians. Non-indigenous people have developed it to a state of relative prosperity - benefiting the Indigenous people enormously. Non-indigenous people have fought and died for the security of the nation - benefiting Indigenous people enormously. We have EARNED the right to call it our country, and it's disgustingly racist and divisive to suggest otherwise.

    What we have done, that is very wrong and harmful to the Indigenous people - and we should be ashamed of - is give in to the demands of selfish activists (most of whom are not even Indigenous, or have only a smidgeon of Aboriginal blood) and encourage irresponsible living with grossly excessive handouts. And we have driven racism by discriminating unfairly against non-Indigenous Australians. That is the ONLY thing we should be ashamed of. We have communities of poverty-stricken Indigenous sitting on their bums drinking and smoking and bashing their kids and partners because we give them free money for doing that. We have Indigenous wrecking the public housing we give them because they are given housing for free and when they wreck the house, we give them another. And we keep making excuses for them - ranting about them having a different value set. But plenty of them have integrated into our society successfully, gained an education, worked, and lived responsibly. And those who scream and make excuses don't want to go back to the life of their ancestors. They don't want a vast expanse of vacant land like their ancestors had. They have no desire to be hunter-gatherers, and wouldn't survive as such. But the instant there is a lucrative mine or tourist attraction operating, suddenly it's 'tribal land' and they are entitled to all the profits. And they all want Centerlink to continue to operate!

    I know a lot of stolen whites who suffered horrendous abuse and deprivation in childhood. And I met an 'Aboriginal' whose father was made responsible for the distribution of hundreds of thousands in compensation for stolen Aboriginals. The money bought the man I met - who was whiter than me, with blonde hair and blue eyes - a very lucrative business in Canada. Not one cent went to any stolen Aboriginal, because not one person qualified under the criteria. A lot of stolen whites did - except for the colour of their skin and that they didn't 'identify as Indigenous'. Of course, because of their race, they get NOTHING. Not even recognition. And because they get nothing, most of them get off their backsides, get jobs, and make decent lives for themselves and their families. They don't whinge and make demands. They don't carry on about their 'different culture' (though I guarantee you they were ripped out of very different cultures to the religious orphanages they were dumped in). Like the Chinese who suffered hideous abuse as immigrants to Australia, and the Italians who were tormented during the war, and a very large number of quiet Indigenous Australians, they just get on with making better lives for themselves and their children.

    Vast numbers of Aboriginals are working, educating their kids, living good lives in quality housing, and loving life in Australia - and THEY don't agree with the racism that is tearing our society apart. They don't care about treaties or sovereignty or claim offence because someone, centuries ago, said the land was empty. They care about keeping their job and paying off their mortgage and getting their kids into uni.

    We need to learn to say 'no' to the selfish, self-indulgent loud-mouths who are tearing this country apart with their unfair demands and their crap about treaties and sovereignty and owning the land. We will never end racial hatred while this garbage continues. It is OUR country, and it's time we stopped boxing people based on race or ancestry and recognized that we are all Australians, and we all deserve to be recognized as such and to share the benefits of being Australian equitably.

    And BTW. Hoohoo - I have many Aboriginals in my family, and I love the Aboriginal people. I know a great deal about their history and culture and traditions. My partner was born into their world and spent his formative years living very much as they were living when Cook arrived. I also know that a great many of them have nothing but contempt for those making unfair demands and whining about sovereignty and treaties. They acknowledge the benefits of white settlement, and they are grateful for what we have brought to this country. And they acknowledge the massive benefits of reverse discrimination and the gross unfairness of it. They want an end to reverse racism, because while it prevails, racism can never be eradicated.
    Youngagain
    14th Jun 2020
    8:17am
    I know quite a few who were child slaves in the 40s thru to mid-70s (and no doubt earlier). Children forcibly removed from their families and abused in orphanages were forced to work for no pay in the orphanage, and during holidays were sent out to local farms or households to work long hours as farm hands or domestic servants, unpaid. At age 15, they were sent out to various types of jobs and at least one that I know of was robbed of most of his wages for the first 2 years of his working life.
    BTW. These were white children, born in Australia, and taken between the ages of 3 and 15, generally from poverty-stricken homes.
    Certainly there was slavery, and it was much worse in some areas where Aboriginals were enslaved and treated appallingly.
    Also, we might well admit that convicts brought to Australia were enslaved - although some will claim that was justified as they were being punished for crimes. Yep! Stealing a slice of bread when starving certainly merits being removed from your homeland and sold into slavery!
    GrayComputing
    14th Jun 2020
    9:16am
    The history of slavery was truly appalling but it has not stopped not by a long way
    History repeats itself time and time again.
    The current push by the Government for cutting wages and harder work conditions pushes the working class further down into a nasty disguised form of slavery.
    For example : Robodebt and the means testing of pensions and early stopping of job keeper (which also left out 1.5 million working people) is just a legal form of a master's whip.
    Hairy
    15th Jun 2020
    10:09am
    Youngagain well said .to much real history and the real facts are being stiffled because .PC
    Youngagain
    15th Jun 2020
    4:27pm
    Hoohoo, the really big problem with all your arguments is that there are virtually NO Indigenous left in Australia. They are all mixed blood - and the vast majority have less than 1/4 Indigenous blood. So if our history and statues are offensive to the Aboriginal side of them, maybe they should look at it with their white eye? When they shout accusations and blame, maybe they should remember they are blaming their own ancestors as well?

    They are NOT struggling to adapt to a different culture and lifestyle, because the white man's culture and lifestyle IS their culture and lifestyle. They change the narrative for unfair gain. And the vast majority of those causing trouble and making demands have very minimal Indigenous blood - if any at all.

    Now, when it comes to those living in Aboriginal settlements in remote parts of the country, they do have special needs - but giving them handouts and special benefits is making their condition far worse, not better. Reverse racism is causing them major harm. Like a problem child, the best help is firm discipline, saying 'no' to their demands, and refusing to tolerate their whinging. And why are we handing out massive special benefits to privileged part-Aboriginals who are university educated, well-paid professionals? Yet disadvantaged whites don't qualify for any of those special benefits or concessions.

    The biggest problem, though, is it suits the media to spread lies and spreading lies plays into the hands of the selfish. So they keep quoting totally false and contrived statistics. And sadly a lot of white Australians believe them. And then, to appease the demands of those they think believe the lies, the Government also distorts the statistics and responds to false claims of need or disadvantage. Like the deaths in custody lie. Read the truth as spoken by Aboriginal Activist Jacinta Price. When you understand these truths, maybe you will stop calling me racist. Or maybe not! Maybe you'll be sufficiently deceived and stubborn to call her a racist and a liar too?
    *Loloften*
    16th Jun 2020
    4:31am
    ScoMo's a great presenter/talker (his speech writers!??). I'm a swinging voter, policies not person. Most LNP new aid policies during this virus have been very welcome/relevant.....some too little too late; some too much or non-exsistent (eg: casual workers on the job for 11mths) + many teens/students/casual workers who now receive $750wkly if employed even if just for a few hrs wkly for 12+mths....ScoMo's excuse was "too difficult/time consuming!?" We pay 'em all very well to do sometimes "dificult/time consuming jobs" - many of we mere mortals sometimes need to cope with "difficult/time consuming" jobs, we'd be sacked if used that excuse. The sadly still non-existent aid is for our ever increasing neglected homeless ppl, vast majority of which are living under bridges/in alcoves/park seats etc thru no fault of their own & begging on our streets....if you've been watching "Filthy Rich & Homeless" you'll know. Think no-one should receive more than they used to earn a few mths ago, remainder & heaps more should be spent on housing the homeless.....if they have an address can access JobSeeker & regain their will to work/hopefulness.
    Chris B T
    16th Jun 2020
    9:58am
    If a Statue from the Past about Safe Navigation To Great South Land that was Known of but not a safe Passage for "Crap Old Leaky Ships" is so Offensive.
    Than the Governor's and Governor General's from Past to Present Must Be Off The Planet Offensive as these "Figure Heads" is what ties us to the Past Indiscretions From the Colonial Past to Present Day Australia.

    16th Jun 2020
    11:38am
    If you have debt you are a slave.
    Youngagain
    18th Jun 2020
    8:07am
    Many shameful and tragic things happened in the past. Mature adults look back and think 'Wow. Haven't we come a long way since then.' And then, 'What can we do now to move on positively.'

    Childish, selfish children who are just looking for ways to cause trouble or seeking unfair benefits for themselves and their mob carry on about being 'offended' by statues or reminders of history. The response to them should be 'Grow up, and stop your baby tantrums. History happened. Learn from it and move on.'

    Personally, I am sick to death of the pettiness of people with toddler-sized brains carrying on endlessly with their childish rants, blame game, and selfish demands for unfairness.

    Yes, slavery happened - to hundreds of thousands of white victims as well as blacks. Yes, racism was a thing (and reverse racism is a big thing now!). Yes, there was cruel injustice in the past. Yes, some folk have ancestors who were treated appallingly - and some lucky folk have ancestors who enjoyed wealth and power and passed it on to their downline. A lot of us can point to hideous injustice in our past - much of it never redressed or apologised for and much of it still causing hurt today. But none of that is selective based on race, gender, age, or sexual orientation. It's more to do with the birth lottery and the strength and intelligence people show to strive to move forward. So get over it.

    If a statue reminds you of 'invasion' (a handful of soldiers entering a tiny pocket of a vast country, accompanied by unarmed convicts in chains!), or slavery, choose to let it remind you instead of how far we've all come since, the sacrifices that have been made for your benefit, and the efforts current generations are making to move forward in ways that are beneficial for all.

    What a statue or comment on a chapter of history reminds you of or leads you to think is YOUR CHOICE. Mature, intelligent people CHOOSE to think on the positives. Childish, weak people and self-serving, tantrum-throwing trouble-makers choose to be 'offended'. It's that simple.

    GROW UP.

    Scotty got it wrong. He was corrected and apologized. Big deal! Most history books contain errors, and they are written by people who are trained and paid big dollars to study the past. History is largely an interpretation of the past and will always be coloured by your own experiences and beliefs. The Japs claimed to have won WWII! American schools taught that it began with the bombing of Pearl Harbour. Most black folk will claim slavery was a crime committed by whites against blacks - and totally ignore than hundreds of thousands of Irish taken as slaves long before black Africans were taken.

    It's time everyone got over this pettiness and greed that is causing so much social division and got on with moving forward as one people. Surely we have enough to worry about in a pandemic, with a crashing economy, without childish trouble-makers ranting on about being 'offended' by reminders of things that happened hundreds of years ago?


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