Euthanasia plans being put in place by baby boomers

Older Australians are exploring the process of ‘rational suicide’.

Man taking pills to end his life

Euthanasia campaigner Philip Nitschke has claimed that a growing number of older Australians are exploring the process of ‘rational suicide’ in order to control the timing and method of their end of life.

According to the former doctor, there are thousands of baby boomers and people over 70 investigating ways to end painful suffering when seriously ill. A growing number of people do not want to feel trapped in “end of life medical nightmares” when in hospital or a care home and unable to take their own life.

Nitschke claims that people who are not willing to lose control of their lives and are used to getting their own way are stashing lethal drugs, which can be used when needed, to end their lives. Most of these people are also putting themselves at considerable legal risk, at risk of scams and even blackmail from suppliers who threaten to advise authorities.

Even when such drugs are intercepted by customs, Mr Nitschke says he knows of only three people who have been prosecuted for importing the drugs that and even then, they have only been given fines.

In response to a story published in Fairafx Media last week about Exit International members who had taken their own lives, Mr Nitschke has called on the importing of such drugs to be decriminalised for those aged over 70.

Exit International’s teaching of techniques on how to commit suicide has come under fire from Professor Ian Hickie of the Brain and Mind Centre, who claims it’s peddling the myth that the end of life is painful and badly handled by the medical profession. He says that while some people understand exactly what they are doing when they end their lives, there are a number of vulnerable people who are influenced by Exit International’s approach.

Professor Hickie says patients would be better served if authorities placed greater importance on promoting healthy ageing and providing the right care and support in later years. He says it’s important for anyone considering euthanasia to examine the reasons for doing so and to discuss this with their families. “It's a dialogue we need to have … There shouldn't be a need to check out at any age."

Read more at TheAge.com.au 

Opinion: A change of heart

My heart breaks when I hear of someone considering taking their own lives because the thought of prolonging a life of pain and illness is just too awful to contemplate. For each individual the circumstances are different and very personal, as is the decision whether to carry on or not.

There is no right response to the issue of euthanasia. That a person is suffering to such an extent that no longer living is a better outcome is simply not fair. It’s not fair that it’s happening in the first place and it’s not fair that we choose to pass judgment on the choices that they make.

I have always thought that when my time came I would be strong enough to make the choice to say enough is enough, but now I’m not so sure. And the catalyst for my doubt is something so trivial that’s it’s almost too embarrassing to say out loud. But here goes…

During the Christmas break I watched the superb Aussie movie, Last Cab to Darwin. For those who are not familiar with the story, it’s about a taxi driver who has terminal cancer and has decided enough is enough. So he decides to drive from Broken Hill to Darwin, to take advantage of the passing of a law that would, to all intents and purposes, legalise euthanasia. To cut a long, but tremendous story, short, when push comes to shove, he is unable to press the button, choosing instead to see out his natural life with his friends. 

And watching this movie made me think, it’s often not about your own pain and suffering, but that of those you leave behind. Perhaps one more day with your loved ones, no matter how difficult, is worth more than ending your own pain.

Moral, ethical, legal and religious aspects aside, the decision to end your life is never an easier one, yet it’s one that many terminally ill people would make if they had the choice. For others, it’s never a consideration. Until the time comes, few of us can be sure which path we would take.

Do you think euthanasia should, at the very least, be decriminalised? Is it up to the individual to make the choice? Or should people just accept the natural end when it’s your time?

Should euthanasia be legalised?

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    Rob
    18th Jan 2016
    10:00am
    Currently I am a very firm believer in the right of individuals to make their decision as to how their life ends. What I don't know is whether or not I will have the courage to take that course of action at some later stage.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    11:20am
    I know...you have rights!!!
    People choosing suicide is what happens when a Christian based society abandons their maker. Pretty sad.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    11:40am
    Not sure I understand your words Mick ? I do believe God/Jesus would not want me to to suffer on or get so desperate I swallow my drugs to kill myself. I am afraid I might not get the dosage right and come back even worse than I am now.

    Hear our plea for VE if you don't want it...don't have it !
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:44pm
    Christians do not believe in euthanasia and more than homosexuality and christianity is not 'adaptable' to the times.
    I have never campaigned against taking your own life. I just don't believe in it. The gutless way out. Sorry.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    12:50pm
    What a load of .... Christians do not believe in VE ! Of course we do...also many believe in gay marriage too.

    Clearly you know nothing of pain nor disability. The hand of fate can be fickle so be careful of what you wish for...Karma
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    12:50pm
    What a load of .... Christians do not believe in VE ! Of course we do...also many believe in gay marriage too.

    Clearly you know nothing of pain nor disability. The hand of fate can be fickle so be careful of what you wish for...Karma
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:49pm
    And clearly you do not know God and are not a christian. Maybe a Catholic!
    Mygasheater
    18th Jan 2016
    2:45pm
    Mick, suicide occurs in all countries, in all cultures and all faiths, for all sorts of reasons.
    LiveItUp
    18th Jan 2016
    3:06pm
    When I can no longer live a decent life then no way I am going to wait for anyone to decided when I exit this mortal world.
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2016
    3:46pm
    Yes Mick, what a load of BS...I'm an atheist, I'll be taking the best way out while you suffer with your god, enjoy the trip, hope its a long one.
    PIXAPD
    19th Jan 2016
    8:36am
    Those who commit suicide are NOT Christians, neither are those who are homosexuals, or those who support such wickedness.
    Anonymous
    19th Jan 2016
    6:36pm
    It's hilarious when Christians squabble among one another about what a real Christian is.

    It's also pathetic.
    iamnotold
    18th Jan 2016
    10:05am
    Of course it should be decriminalised and we should have a choice. Not everyone has an army of friends and relatives to look after them in their old age.

    18th Jan 2016
    10:09am
    ''Professor Ian Hickie of the Brain and Mind Centre, who claims it’s peddling the myth that the end of life is painful and badly handled by the medical profession.''

    Sorry, Professor, but it's NOT a myth. I prefer the term ''compassionately assisted dying'' to ''euthanasia'', because the former implies that someone is dying anyway, and needs help to avoid the suffering that often comes with slow decline.

    ''...it’s often not about your own pain and suffering, but that of those you leave behind. Perhaps one more day with your loved ones, no matter how difficult, is worth more than ending your own pain.''

    What about the pain they suffer watching you fade away in anguish... losing your dignity? I cried myself to sleep every night for weeks watching my mother die. I prayed for that phone call. In the end, it caused excruciating pain because I couldn't be there to hold her hand in her last hours. By contrast, my grandmother was assisted to die. She was more than ready. Assistance did very little, but made her passing painless both mentally and physically and allowed her loved ones to be beside her, holding her hand, as she left this world. It let her die with dignity and self-respect. Unlike my mother, she didn't lie helpless, moaning and thrashing in a bed wearing a nappy and wetting and soiling herself. She didn't leave this world saying ''You let me down'', cutting her loved ones apart, because she lost her strength and her capacity to think about the impact of her words on others.

    Denying people the right to die with dignity is cruel and heartless. We are far kinder to animals than we are to our own loved ones. Compassionately assisted dying SHOULD be legal. The very old and the terminally ill SHOULD be given a choice.
    Adrianus
    18th Jan 2016
    10:22am
    Absolutely Rainey. I am on your side 100% with that. The current system is cruel.
    Star Trekker
    18th Jan 2016
    11:02am
    I also agree. People should have the choice.
    the_Albert
    18th Jan 2016
    3:56pm
    "Professor Hickie says patients would be better served if authorities placed greater importance on promoting healthy ageing and providing the right care and support in later years."

    That's no doubt a good idea, but why should it preclude VE? We need safeguards, of course, to prevent abuse, but ultimately it is a right, or ought to be, to have ultimate control over our bodies and lives. When Christians infer from their tracts that it's unacceptable they are putting religion before humanity and the cruel dictates of their alleged Lord (and Saviour?) above personal choice. That's alright for them but they've no right to impose it on the rest of us.
    Blossom
    18th Jan 2016
    6:31pm
    I have a friend who is a devout Anglican and has worked for many years in Palliative Care. She used to be very strongly against euthanasia. Now she has helped nurse so many terminally ill cancer patients, including training and giving pain relief to some sufferers until they have to be admitted to hospital for even stronger pain relief and for some that gives very little relief if any as their crippled up body gets used to it - some suffer for years before they finally succumb (a relative of mine did, only because her heart was so strong). The lady now says that if more saw how some patients suffer they wouldn't wish it for their worst enemy.
    People who know they definitely have terminal illness should have the right to sign a declaration to do so while they are capable. I had an Aunty suffer with a terminal Brain Tumor for several months. She suffered pain every time she was barely touched, she had to have pillows placed between her legs to prevent them crossing themselves, she had constant headaches and muscle spasms and couldn't talk at all for about the last 2 months of her life. She was allergic to some painkillers (vomitting violenty) and was conscious until the last 2 - 3 hours - in pain crying and moaning. The pain relief didn't help her much at the end Would the high and almightly people wish to prolong their family members' suffering for months like that.
    tisme
    18th Jan 2016
    10:36am
    the government should stop playing god with peoples lives. ive nursed to many who have died in agony to not support euthanasia.
    rattler
    18th Jan 2016
    3:41pm
    tisme Are we the only nurses to think clearly on this issue of agony and wonder at the need for it.
    Alice
    18th Jan 2016
    10:43am
    When I was 17 I watched my mother die in agony from bowel cancer. There was nothing I could do for her, but I knew that if I had access to morphine I would have given her an overdose.
    All my memories of her are tainted with the memory of her long and painful death.

    I am sure that people should have the right to choose and the choice should always be entirely up to the individual. I love life and don't know what my own choice would be but I will do my best to actually have that option.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    11:44am
    I watched my Mother die a painfull horrid death from cancer. Unconscious half the time weighed around 40 kls at the end. I begged them to let her go quickly but NO they made her suffer on to the bloody bitter end. Nearly killed my Dad he never smiled again.
    Olddog
    18th Jan 2016
    11:06am
    The authorities played no part in my coming into the world so why should they have all the say in how I leave it?
    I hope that when my time comes someone will "compassionately assist" me.
    particolor
    18th Jan 2016
    1:28pm
    Best Comment Yet !!
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:48pm
    There are some things in life which require no assistance Olddog. But suicide is the coward's way out. Always has been.
    Tom Tank
    18th Jan 2016
    2:01pm
    I an mystified here Mick. What is cowardly of not only ending unceasing pain and suffering for not only yourself but your family and loved ones.
    It is not suicide in the same sense as someone throwing themselves in front of a train or a truck.
    Mygasheater
    18th Jan 2016
    2:42pm
    Mick, " Suicide is the cowards way out." There is nothing heroic about excruciating pain.

    No, suicide is an act of courage, wanting to be vindicated for believing in God and life ever after.

    The bible also says be kind to your slaves, so it's OK to own slaves as long as you're kind to them.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:03pm
    So it's ''the coward's way out'', Mick. Why should that claim (whether correct or not, and I dispute it strongly) deny people the right of choice. If someone wants to be a ''coward'', why should anyone have the right to prevent them?

    Sorry, but freedom means being free to make choices that others may disapprove of as well as choices that the majority agree with.

    And we are not talking about ''suicide'' here. We are talking about the right to end a life that is worthless - to avoid prolonging a life of pain and loss of dignity and utter misery; to end the suffering of loved ones who are torn apart watching someone they love suffer. We are talking about avoiding being, as my mother put it, ''a useless oxygen thief existing in an empty shell, not alive, not living - just existing and taking up resources that SHOULD be allocated to improving the quality of life for people who still have some life left.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:20pm
    That's very well expressed Rainey. Thank you.
    fedup
    18th Jan 2016
    11:12am
    Who has the right over our own bodies? we should be able to make decisions about our own body without interference from anybody let alone the law. I hope when my time comes I can make the decision myself and no one else takes the responsibility for what I decide. Any Doctor should be able to assist the dying without fear of the consequences.
    mustang
    18th Jan 2016
    11:23am
    Yes we should be able to make the choice for ourselves, animals are put out of their misery why do we have to suffer. Euthanasia should be decriminalized. I saw my father try and fail to end his life it was terrible.
    fedup
    18th Jan 2016
    11:24am
    Just read TheAge article I was horrified that anybody thinks that the elderly that are in age care a looked after with respect and dignity. Most age care facilities you wouldn't put your dog in even if you are wealthy you would be hard pressed to find a decent one. The one we had to put our father was one of the best we could find and even that one left a lot to be desired. I am sure if he knew where he would end up he would have taken his own life anyway.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:04pm
    Agree absolutely, fedup. They are awful places - even the best of them.
    PlanB
    23rd Jan 2016
    7:33am
    You are right there fedup --- aged "care ' is a money making racket
    Anonymous
    23rd Jan 2016
    8:14am
    Yep.

    For myself, I would much rather any such money went to better, long term causes.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    11:32am
    I see that I am definitely in the minority.
    Whilst I fully understand how important it is for some people to avoid pain I guess I plain do not believe in the coward's way out. Let's hope I don't regret having that point of view!
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    11:49am
    I believe the coward's way out as you put it is allowing people to suffer on for weeks months in a palliative care bed. There are horror stories but true out there of Aged care homes, people being raped by workers, bashed, I could write about it but would not be published. It is NOT a Care industry at all .... it is all FOR PROFIT..don't be fooled.

    NO one else has the right to deny me my wishes of VE. You no want..don't have !
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:46pm
    You are right about the so called care industry. It is a business without morals.
    Have all the rights you want. We'll have to agree to disagree.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:09pm
    Mick, people should be free to be as cowardly as they wish - especially if they are suffering. Why should anyone have the right to deny someone else their choice to exit the world on their terms? Is this a free nation, or a dictatorship? Who are you - or anyone - to tell someone else they must go on living when life has ceased to have meaning? It should be THEIR choice, not yours. You don't know what they are suffering. You don't know their beliefs or morals or ideals. You don't know how they relate to their loved ones. Who are you to say they are ''cowards'' for wanting something different to what you think you might want.

    As for regretting that point of view, you well might if you suffer the fate my mother and many others described here suffered. You will be fortunate indeed if you die without horrific suffering and loss of dignity. Compassionately assisted dying isn't ''suicide''. It's expediting the inevitable in order to avoid suffering, and it certainly should be legal.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jan 2016
    8:15am
    mick - isn't it cowardly to keep delaying death?
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    11:38am
    YES Voluntary Euthanasia is the want/need. Am over 65 now and living in 24/7 pain and escalating disability with Rheumatoid. The opiate drugs for pain eating me inside out. I would like to die in my own bed when I want - when this pain and torture has become too much please let me pass over without any more. I do not want to languish in a palliative care bed for up to 3 weeks without food or water. Too distressing for my family + friends as well. Countries overseas have implemented VE well and we could do the same.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:50pm
    I have a mother with rheumatoid. Not pretty but I find it ludicrous that you talk about taking your life over this. Next thing somebody will be saying that they should take their own life because of the mental anguish which comes with divorce and/or family breakdown.
    About time that some of our self indulgent boomers grew up and recognised that their needs are not the holy grail of anything. Time we started to show some guts methinks....but who am I to suggest that people should anything other than what they demand.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    12:59pm
    I pity your Mother and hope when she asks for VE you will not deny her out of ignorance. My hip is broken but they cannot do a replacement as Golden Staff has attacked me once and keeps coming back would kill me if hip replacement. The other hip is giving out, both knees gone, my neck is imploding. I scream through the opiates when trying to get up out of bed every morning. I am sure if you came to look after me for 2 days you'd see the error of your words.

    Why would you want me (and your mother to suffer so) ? Can't believe any christian would want this for another. Is it some sort of better than tho argument ?

    Vets do the right thing by their patients without repercussions one injection at home my dog went within 5 minutes peacefully at home on my bed. NO VET has gone to jail for helping a suffering animal with VE.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:46pm
    JoMojo: sorry you are in pain. There are ways out without using Nitschke you know.
    I thought that even Golden Staff was eventually curable?????
    Mez
    18th Jan 2016
    5:15pm
    I so sorry to read that.
    Blossom
    18th Jan 2016
    6:15pm
    Mick,
    There is more than one strain of Golden Staph. Imagine having more than one type as my now late Mum did. It eventually effects other organs in your body, not helped by the medication to help kill infection, antihistamine to prevent scratching skin in your sleep - and literally taking off layers of skin, layer upon layer of cream or ointment applied to your skin to prevent the itchy burning feeling. It was so painful she couldn't walk. Already being allergic to many medications was a big problem. The only medications we thought she wasn't allergic to helped cause kidney failure and she also developed Phneumonia. We opted for Palliative Care as we were advised by Medical Professionals not known to each other that antibiotics would not prevent kidney failure.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:14pm
    Sorry, Mick, but the argument that pain can be relieved is BS. WRONG! There is no relief for the pain caused by loss of dignity and self-respect. Pain relief often means hideously intolerable side effects. My mother lost her capacity to see adequately to read or watch television. She couldn't hear well enough to do anything rewarding. She was dizzy and her head ached. Her life was totally empty, and she was miserable. She lost control of her bodily functions. She was, to all intents and purposes, a vegetable at the end. And you want to keep people alive in that state? Obviously you've never watched a loved one endure that agony, and you've never worked in a nursing home where they keep vegetables alive with drugs just for the sake of making more money out of them.
    cyclonesally
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:18pm
    JoMojo. I wish I could lay hands on you and heal you in the name of Christ but I can't, so I will pray. I believe in miracles & I stand on the promise of Jesus that He will not allow you to suffer more than you can bear but will enable you to sustain it. Your faith will help you. Pray for faith. I apologise if I am coming across pios and/or sactimonious. That is not my intention. I really feel for you. I nursed my husband at home on my own by providing palliative care for the last 4 weeks of his life. That was 9 months ago. No Christ did not heal the lung cancer but he took away all the fear & pain - in an instant. I thank God for that. xxx
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:24pm
    cyclonesally - you know that can't be proven. Did you look for a rational, scientific explanation for what happened?
    cyclonesally
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:27pm
    I have nothing to say to you barak. Read the New Testament for your answers.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:35pm
    Read it. Found heaps of contradictions and very unlikely stories. Saw no reason to believe the miracles.

    If Jesus existed, he must have been a pretty good guy, not like many of his hypocritical, nasty, hateful, bigoted followers today.
    Anonymous
    26th Jan 2016
    9:50am
    Cyclonesally, the religious argument is CRAP for two very sound reasons:

    1. Christians claim God is loving and all-powerful - like a caring Father. There's not a caring father or loving person anywhere who would allow people to suffer as the aged and dying do in our society.

    2. Christians are quite happy to have doctors intervene to extend life by treating illnesses. That's taking God's will into one's own hands. So why shouldn't we assume the same right to end life when it ceases to have meaning? The argument put forward by the ''God botherers'' (I won't call them ''Christians'', because many good, believing Christians have enough common-sense to reject your ridiculous argument, Cyclonesally.

    And please DON'T pray for me. I don't need divine intervention ordered by a clueless radical to screw up my life. I'll pray for commonsense to prevail and people to be allowed to end their existence when their life is over.
    Charlie
    18th Jan 2016
    11:39am
    I was very close to suicide when I came down with chronic pain, ten years ago. The health system had the medication to give me relief, furthermore, I was over 55 so I was getting close to the age when people have permanent medication of some kind, but was only allowed access to the slow acting pain medications.

    It took three years for the drugs to reduce the pain to where I could have a normal conversation. Nobody could give me a clear diagnosis because they were not sure of what was causing the pain and access to the strong drugs I needed, required a degree of certainty.

    Ten years down the track it looks very much like I have central pain syndrome, a condition that is caused by a stroke in the thalamus. These strokes can be very minor but deliver maddening pain that is continuous with burning, tingling and freezing sensations.
    Looking back on things there was a lot more the hospitals could have done to make life easier for me, but didn't. They did what was easy for them and tried to unload me on the mental health people.

    Clearly imaginary pain wasn't the problem, I had real pain caused by damage to the nervous system, there was a danger of anxiety and high blood pressure causing another stroke, but I needed real pain relief to prevent suicide or heart failure, not just treatment for anxiety.
    Chook
    18th Jan 2016
    11:41am
    Euthanasia should be decriminalised to enable people to make their own choice when its time for them to go.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:52pm
    So what are authorities going to do to a corpse or an 80 year old?
    Charlie
    18th Jan 2016
    6:20pm
    It seems that suicide is ok because nobody can punish you for doing it. Only the people who knew you were going to do it and did nothing to prevent you doing it, are perhaps due for some kind of punishment.

    Then there are the people who knew you were going to attempt suicide and tried to assist you. This starts to take the form of the perfect murder since you are no longer around to say you actually wanted to die.

    I think its the fine line between assisted suicide and murder that prevents the legalization of Euthanasia.
    MAM
    18th Jan 2016
    11:47am
    What's the matter with you people.
    Your body is the temple of God. Treat it well, look after it. God gives life and God takes it away.
    If you take your own life you will have to re embody and be put in the same situation, again, until you learn your life lessons.
    If you tune into God your pain can be turned to bliss. A hard one for us to do.
    God loves you so dearly and deeply. Meditate on God, not your pain and ungratefulness.
    Wake up everyday and thank God you are alive. Be grateful for what you have.
    Thank you God for everything.
    Learn about how you can heal your body through better diet, exercise, meditation and prayer or mantras. Take action. It works for me. Mary
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    12:00pm
    Good on ya love you are the one in a Billion to receive a miracle.... in the real world this does not happen. Your man upstairs must be asleep for the rest of us. My Mother went to Church every Sunday, volunteer worker in a hospital for disabled kids, meditated, prayed every night beside bed. Where was that God when she needed him. Don't tell us we are not grateful, don't tell us we can heal ourselves through diet exercise ...what planet are you from ?

    You keep doing your tuning into to whom ever you are.

    I will say you have absolutely NO right whatever to deny the rest of us our rights/wants/needs with VE. I had a conversation with God the other night and he agrees with me .... when the suffering is getting too much please do come to me via VE !
    Mygasheater
    18th Jan 2016
    12:40pm
    "God gives and God takes away."

    That would be the same God that makes you a rational, sentient being, capable of making a rational decision? The would be the same God that gave you the intelligence to plan and collect the information and the means to commit suicide?

    Oh no that is a different God.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:55pm
    Sad that posters have to ridicule people who have faith when they have none. I agree that 'God gives gives life and God takes it away'. Blessed be the name of the Lord.
    Interesting how some folk love to twist arguments.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    1:08pm
    LOL....any wonder 8 local churches have all closed down last 10 years. Why did God take away my friend John at 52 with cancer. He was such a good christian went to church every Sunday helped others....

    Where in the Bible/Exodus does it say God does not believe in Voluntary Euthanasia.

    I believe in do unto others none of this other bull you and gasheating are making up. Too much is made up by silly people believing they are better than thou and have rights to tell you what to do. Boy I think the real God would be angry at you.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:43pm
    Churches are closing down because people are abandoning the faith. Any wonder why when the ranks of ministers have paedophiles in them who commit atrocious acts on children.
    God didn't give me a Maserati for my birthday and I did not win the recent $50 million Powerball either.
    Look at the question in your first paragraph to get an answer to your question about Euthanasia................you seem to think of God as a vending machine. And for the record one of the 10 Commandments (heard of them?) are: YOU SHALL NOT KILL. Hope that helps.
    Libby
    19th Jan 2016
    10:38pm
    God must have a lot of room in heaven to take all those who have recently died a natural death. Are you saying if we take our own lives we will be "recycled" over and over again until we get very close to God one day?
    I read about this in the book of Hari Krishna "Coming Back", Science of Reincarnation base on the Teachings of His Divine Grace. When the Hari Krishna were around the Parramatta area I was given this book back in late 1990's. So what would your opinion be?
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:19pm
    My daughter answered this religious argument perfectly. It's against God's law to take your own life? Then how is it NOT against God's law to take power into your own hands and give drugs or treatments to prolong life? If God wants you to die, you should be allowed to. If God wants you alive, He has the power to ensure you stay that way - regardless of your own or someone else's intervention. If you believe in the claims of Christians about God, then you believe He is all powerful, so he can stop you WANTING to die. He can stop your pain. He can stop you doing anything to expedite your death. And any intervention to expedite death is no more against His law than intervention to prolong life. So let's be consistent. Either legalize the former or criminalize the latter.
    The Bronze Anzac
    18th Jan 2016
    11:56am
    I have two concerns about euthanasia. The first is that the drugs used may become readily available from illegal sources, meaning that suicidal persons could gain access to them, when in fact their lives may not be experiencing painful health issues, but mental issues caused by any number of reasons. My second concern is the person's inability or capacity to make the decision of euthanasia by themselves. This is why I suggest that ageing people should consider appointing an "Enduring Power of Attorney" before it becomes too late to do so. This must be a person you can trust.This should be your spouse or an adult child. If in doubt check with your solicitor first.
    Mygasheater
    18th Jan 2016
    12:44pm
    You don't have to buy illegal drugs. There are plenty of over the counter and even many that are prescribed by your Dr that will do the trick used in the right number and or right combination.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:56pm
    So who does one trust these days Anzac. You are talking about the good old days methinks.
    jeffr
    18th Jan 2016
    1:31pm
    I think you need an Enduring Health Power of Attorney which is the legal document that you need to look after someones health. I got mine after visiting the Dr with my wife's Palliative Care Nurse.
    terrib
    18th Jan 2016
    3:40pm
    Mygasheater I advise you not to use any modern drug from over the counter as you will most probably not die no matter how many you take. They are all designed these days not to kill you. You could end up worse than ever, brain dead or very seriously ill. If anyone wants to find out the correct way then join Exit & attend their meetings where you will learn what to do & what not to do. If anyone intends taking that choice then expert advise is necessary. There are meetings held in majority of cities & areas.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:27pm
    I know two people who committed suicide with LEGAL substances. I've heard of many, many others who did. I know of many who tried and failed, but usually because they weren't serious about wanting to suicide - just wanted to get someone's attention.

    Suicide is very different from euthanasia. Euthanasia, if legalized, would be facilitated by medical professionals, and only after a person clearly indicated their wishes and evidenced to legal and medical professionals that they were capable of clear and rational thinking and understood their decision. We are allowed to specify that we don't want our lives prolonged artificially. Such dictates are given via careful procedures that involve verification from lawyers and doctors. Why can't the same precautions facilitate people declaring that they don't want to live under certain conditions? The safety and protection mechanisms are already in place via Advanced Health Declarations. A minor extension would provide for people to quite safely declare that they have a rational and well-thought-out desire to be compassionately assisted - by a medical professional - to die, in certain circumstances.

    No relative or unqualified person should be involved. The patient should be able to select a suitably qualified and trusted medical professional to witness their confirmation of their wishes and to assist the act when the time comes.

    18th Jan 2016
    11:56am
    It is your life to do with as you want, so make it or take it, but at least have the decency to do it with dignity and thought for your friends and loved ones, whichever choice you make.
    Ventus
    18th Jan 2016
    12:03pm
    Agree with the majority of postings here. If a person is terminally ill it is absolutely clear that they are going to die irrespective of the amount of support and caring they receive. Have watched a dear sister with kidney failure and a sister in law with bowel cancer die awful deaths you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. Decriminalising assisted suicide is the way forward, but unlikely with over 70 per cent of the federal Lib govt mps and 50 per cent Labour opposition members professing to be practising christians, so any proposed legislation won't get very far unfortunately....
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:57pm
    Dead people cannot be prosecuted Ventus. And if enough people ignore a law, any law, then it ceases to be enforceable.
    Tom Tank
    18th Jan 2016
    2:09pm
    Dead people cannot be prosecuted but anyone who helps someone who is terminally ill end it all can, and that includes health professionals and family members.
    Interestingly health professionals who prolong someone's life against that person's wishes is not prosecuted.
    Ventus
    18th Jan 2016
    12:03pm
    Agree with the majority of postings here. If a person is terminally ill it is absolutely clear that they are going to die irrespective of the amount of support and caring they receive. Have watched a dear sister with kidney failure and a sister in law with bowel cancer die awful deaths you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. Decriminalising assisted suicide is the way forward, but unlikely with over 70 per cent of the federal Lib govt mps and 50 per cent Labour opposition members professing to be practising christians, so any proposed legislation won't get very far unfortunately....
    Ventus
    18th Jan 2016
    12:03pm
    Agree with the majority of postings here. If a person is terminally ill it is absolutely clear that they are going to die irrespective of the amount of support and caring they receive. Have watched a dear sister with kidney failure and a sister in law with bowel cancer die awful deaths you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. Decriminalising assisted suicide is the way forward, but unlikely with over 70 per cent of the federal Lib govt mps and 50 per cent Labour opposition members professing to be practising christians, so any proposed legislation won't get very far unfortunately....
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2016
    12:11pm
    Ventura, point taken, taken, taken.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:58pm
    Eddie: I agree agree agree!
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    1:12pm
    Many of our Christian pollies are divorced had abortions and definitely are Gay

    Like many OLD ways things are progressing...VE will be legalized by popular demand very soon.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:37pm
    And some are paedophiles. These people call themselves Christians but they are not!
    Ventus
    18th Jan 2016
    12:14pm
    Where was you god MAM when 20 million people died in the 1st World War? And again when nearly 40million died in the Second world war and let's not forget all the deaths in the war against the japanese; the Korean War, Falklands war; 2 Gulf wars and all the other wars -- Arab/Israeli etc in the 20th century. Perhaps he was on holiday.....
    particolor
    18th Jan 2016
    12:34pm
    OMG ! an Apiarist.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:59pm
    And why did He not get me a Maserati for my birthday?????
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    12:59pm
    parti: bee nice!
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    1:13pm
    Bravo well said Ventus. Why doesn't this GOD give pensioners another $50 per fortnight to get out of poverty.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:36pm
    Because many 'choose' to live in poverty!
    Foxy
    18th Jan 2016
    2:23pm
    Geez ..... you doing well today "mick"? Up to your old tricks of "80 posts per day"?? - You always seem to be "correct" - always seem to "know" everything - oh and BTW seeing as you "know God" so well - how about you give the rest of us the "heads up" huh ....??

    I also do not know of any pensioners who "choose" to live in poverty?
    What a ridiculous and outrageous statement! Unbelievable!
    particolor
    19th Jan 2016
    8:34pm
    Only one thing wrong there JoMojo ! Your $130 short of what Single Old Age Pensioners SHOULD be getting !! We are going <<< Backwards fast :-(
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2016
    12:14pm
    We play at God with animals but when it comes to humans we want them to suffer WTF
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    1:16pm
    MY GP is all for people wanting to decide if/when/how they pass over to GOD. We believe he will open the pearly doors to those who have suffered too long and got VE.
    particolor
    18th Jan 2016
    12:36pm
    Don't touch the Things ! :-( I think they're Toxic ! :-(
    bebby
    18th Jan 2016
    12:36pm
    At the end, it is my body, my choice what to do with it.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    1:20pm
    Well said Bebby. The others imposing themselves on me can just b well butt out. You no want VE you no have.

    You will NOT be allowed to tell me what I can/cannot have - get used to it
    Foxy
    18th Jan 2016
    2:30pm
    yeah - nice to think that way bebby and JoMojo - I wish! Trouble is when you are really very ill - you are at the hands of total "strangers" and "they" decide for you! Simply disgusting!!!!

    I am terrified of the thought of some 'stranger" deciding on my "fate"! Ugh ! Revolting!

    Think an Aged Care place would be worse!? Once you in there - you are under everyone's "rules".....(no life!)..... nothing great about looming "old age" that's for sure ...... :-(
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2016
    12:40pm
    Soylent green watch the movie.seen it when I was a young man NEVER forgot it.someday government (on there way now) will be using this system.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:01pm
    Sorben Green? Would you like fries with that?
    Foxy
    18th Jan 2016
    2:39pm
    ...ahhhhh yes !!!! - one of the best movies for it's "time"! So advanced.......... I can remember it like it was yesterday! Loved the trendy Euthanasia Clinic - wander in at ya leisure - glass of champers or red lol ...put on pics. you wanna see and play the music you love to listen to......pop a pill into the wine....go to sleep - bingo! Wonderful!
    Ole' Geoffrey Edelstein will probably be the first to have a string of 'em (if he's still alive!) lol lol .....

    Charlton Heston wasn't it? ......do you know who "wrote it"? Save me Googling.....whoever wrote that "script" was light years ahead of time.......(the Chinese probably doing that now!) Green biscuits made from humans! Yum!!! :-)
    SKRAPI
    18th Jan 2016
    12:41pm
    I've watched 5 of my family die including my husband , for him it was the worst because the morphine was late { nurses over worked ] I was told he had Mins, hrs or days He fought for hrs to live but he was elderly with Dementia & didn't have much 2 live 4 But I would have far rather he had been assisted It was agonisingly painful to see his struggle , he was still physically strong , his lungs being good. I could only guess at his fear .I couldn't embrace him even as I feared in his desperation he may have broken my arm . which he nearly did one other time years B 4 when he was despertate & afraid . When my brother died of cancer the Ward nurse apologised that she couldn't help with pans etc. as she had to look after the living I didn't blame her. d Things have worsened since then The Dr. is living in fairy land if he thinks old or terminally ill people will ever get the help they need . Hospitals R run on cost , there's no money in helping the dying or terminally ill, I don't blame the nurses who R often run off their feet , they too R victims of the system . Dr. Nitschke is to B commended he is a great humanitarian.
    SKRAPI
    18th Jan 2016
    12:43pm
    Forgot to say I believe absolutely in ea individuals right to choose their time of dying
    petergrimbeek
    18th Jan 2016
    12:44pm
    Yes, it should
    KSS
    18th Jan 2016
    12:49pm
    I think that often people are 'kept alive' for reasons other than the best interest of the patient; family members who don't want to let go for example, or because the doctor has sworn to prolong life at any cost. The result is frequently the same - needless prolonged suffering for all involved. Sadly, it is true we are often more humane to our animals than we are to family members.

    Surely the point about the film is that the protagonist had the choice. And that choice included NOT pushing the button when they had the opportunity. Not doing something is just as much a choice as doing something.

    Decriminalising assisted suicide would not make euthanasia compulsory but it would give people the right to it without reprisals if and when they decided the time had come.
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:03pm
    euthanasia is not about keeping people alive or not. That is another issue and there is a strong case for NOT treating certain conditions in the absence of a cure.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    1:22pm
    Mick....your poor Mother you'd NOT treat her pain of Rheumatoid

    I am reporting you to GOD tonight
    MICK
    18th Jan 2016
    1:35pm
    Get a dictionary JoMojo.
    There's pain and then again there's pain. Rather sick that some people whose pain is minor have to go on like precious dears.
    By all means have your views. I cannot go along with the consensus here though and suggest that there is more to life than reaching for the needle. But then I am not speaking from experience so who am I to tell others what they should do.
    JoMojo
    18th Jan 2016
    1:49pm
    Hit the nail on the head haven't I about your ignorance non compassion (un GOD like stance) How wrong are you Mick clearly NO idea what rheumatoid is ! All you can say now is silly irrelevance.

    People will be wishing you a long painful death al la karma if u are not careful.

    Churches losing millions of followers as they are not up with it compassionate nor caring. Where is your God in healing the victims of your Church paedophelia preachers.
    Foxy
    18th Jan 2016
    2:41pm
    ...good - if that's the case - you have said more than enough mick! (sorry - but you have!) ...
    KSS
    18th Jan 2016
    8:26pm
    Mick the thing about pain is that only the person with the pain knows how bad it may be for them. People may have differing pain tolerance but when they get to the limit of that tolerance for them the result is the same - unbearable. And only the individual knows when that point has been reached.
    HarrysOpinion
    18th Jan 2016
    3:30pm
    Good comment Rob.
    If we end up in a nursing home we will all die like rotten vegetables, eventually. Therefore, I believe that we should have a right to decide to live or not once we get to 80 years of age, whether we are sick or not. A long time ago the average life span was 60 years of age and before that 50 and before that 40...and there was no complaint from God.
    Dawny
    18th Jan 2016
    3:36pm
    The life of a perfect baby is snuffed out because it is inconvenient, while in another section of the same hospital terminally ill patients are being denied relief from their suffering through VE.
    Sundays
    18th Jan 2016
    4:16pm
    I am a firm believer in VE for the terminally ill if that is their choice. No one should have to suffer unecessarily at the end. Of course there have to be safeguards. Likewise, I think that suicide is a long term solution for what are mostly short term problems. Those able bodied people contemplating suicide need our compassion and help.
    MAM
    18th Jan 2016
    4:40pm
    Everyone has a different situations to deal with because they have different karma. God does not punish, we punish ourselves. In pain and suffering we balance our karma it is the principle of course and effect of past deeds and past lives.
    Fallens Angels are the cause of war. God kicked them out and now they want to take us with them. War makes them rich. War is a good way to kill us little people off. So our fight is not against God but those who have rejected him.

    Every disease has a karmic origin. Look at your emotions. When I had lots of resentment, I had bad shoulder pain. Check out a book like Louise Hay You can heal your life. It gives an emotional component to every sickness.
    As soon as I cut out sugar and wheat from my diet my health improved. So don't complain to me if you haven't tried to change. Eat 10 different veggies a day and lots of greens cooked and raw.
    All good is accrued to you.
    There are many priests in the church and organisations who are fallen ones. So they are not of God. There are only a few good priests that stand up against pedaphiles.
    Stand for true and expose them if you can. God lives in you not the church.
    I'm from planet Venus the planet of love. Bees come from Venus. For the love of God is sweet.
    Remember if you take your own life you are killing God in you.
    God is not Santa. A basic new car is fine. Gambling is a waste of your good pension money.
    Thank you reading my comments.
    Mez
    18th Jan 2016
    5:22pm
    I love your colourful writing style.
    Much of it may be true but sometimes extreme ill health and pain arrives through old age with its accompanying decline in the effectiveness of the immune systems.
    Positive mental outlooks on life and keeping physically and mentally active is a good start in living longer.
    HOLA
    21st Jan 2016
    8:25am
    I'm very skeptical about people who say they are from another planet. Everything in excess is not good for us. It is up to us to recognise our faults. Look at those people who are Scientologists, what a bunch of whacky people, believing that their leader came from another planet, and nobody has seen. It is just a ploy to get people to surrender their money to them. There a lot of gurus who get people in and live very comfortably on their donations. Donna Hay has written many inspirational books but she has also become a very wealthy woman in the process. Do these people give back to society what they have extracted from it?
    Mez
    18th Jan 2016
    5:12pm
    The will to live is generally mightier than the sword but psychotic or major depression and prolonged severe chronic pain often over rule that will to live as I have often seen in my many years of nursing.
    However, it has been known for many decades that doctors have had cases whereby the patient has their medications ceased or have been over dosed with their strong pain medications or cytotoxic drugs at the request of close relatives. Whether this is true or not I will never know as I do not have any proof as it depends on the power of attorneys and individual cases
    voodoolady
    18th Jan 2016
    5:37pm
    As someone currently nursing my mother through the last weeks of her life I say Yes to VE. I would say that it should be up to the individual to do this not family or a doctor. My mother was a nurse and often was told if a life support machine goes off on such and such a patient, walk, don't run there. She has elected for no heroic measures to be taken, no machines to prolong her life, she has already asked me if I could "do it" if she asked because she knows my father can't but I have said no. After seeing the suffering of my mother and knowing that her remaining time will be spent bombed out on drugs, sleeping, shrinking into half her body weight and crying in her sleep, she things she can smell death all the time (perhaps it's the drugs) but she has no quality of life. If she was my dog she wouldn't be here now. This is no life for her, or for her family yet we prevail until the end
    talofa
    18th Jan 2016
    7:07pm
    Yes, I am all for every individual to make their own choice & not any church or government
    I enjoy my life but I have all the info books & gas cylinder etc.
    talofa
    vincent
    18th Jan 2016
    7:47pm
    There is a right to live and there is a right to die.I do not need any politicians or religious zealots to interfere with my life period. And for mick it is not the easy way out but it takes strength of character to make this decision. As usual we are running 10 years behind the rest of the world and in the meantime unnecessary suffering is going on. Wake up and make up your own mind on this subject. Don't listen to the so called experts and the biassed media.
    Libby
    18th Jan 2016
    8:29pm
    A very good topic on why we're better off than living with the horrid cruel dementia/alzheimers and unbearable pain from cancer etc. When you see your loved one going through this horrid time I would rather go than let my family suffer. Dementia sufferers live in their own little world oblivious to anything but it's the family that sufffer. I was brought up Catholic and we were taught that God lost his Son to save us, however, he only lived to the age of 33 (or someone said 34) and never ever suffered what we go through in old age. I don't believe God will punish us for this, I'm sure He will understand. Other people have said don't get old, it's not worth it, but if your body is physically good and have a sharp mind then good on you. I would do anything to have both but I would chose to have a sharp mind. The brain seems to die off first than the body, both should go at the same time. I don't want to put my family through it.
    There was a story on Dateline dated 16/09/15 in Belgium allowing people to die, even if they're fit or depressed! Even children are approved. Extremely a powerful story especially a father suffering from severe cluster headaches upsetting his two boys, no longer able to run his farm. He chose euthanasia in the end. So, we have the right to chose, not the stupid government, they don't own us! In the Catholic church which I gave up on will say it's a MORTAL SIN! What a load of bull! People do find other ways to end their lives anyway. Good on Belgium and doctors who assist with death. I'm all for it!
    tactful
    18th Jan 2016
    9:44pm
    Being able to take your own life is easy. All you need is a bunch of painkillers, alcohol and no one around. Euthanasia is suicide plain and simple, it is not an option anyone should consider lightly and it should only be available to those who are in palliative care. For everyone else it is just a cop out for when life gets even harder and really psychiatric help is more appropriate.
    LynnGreig
    19th Jan 2016
    8:07am
    I'm a nurse and I see many patients in pain. Many of them don't want to live. My Christian mom doesn't believe in euthanasia. I do. It is an individual thing and it should be an individual choice. So criticizing a Catholic, Christian or an Aethist doesn't make sense.
    PIXAPD
    19th Jan 2016
    8:21am
    SUICIDE....'If a murderer is guilty because he is a destroyer of man, he who kills himself is under the same guilt. For he also kills a man. In fact his crime can be considered the greater, for the punishment of it belongs to God alone. We did not come into this life of our own accord. Therefore, we can withdraw from this habitation of the body.....only by the command of Him who placed us in this body. We are to inhabit it until He orders us to depart from it.' Lactantius c. 304 - 313

    Not that we seek death, or of our own accord inflict it upon ourselves, for that would be a wicked and ungodly, even as Judas Iscariot who hanged himself, fell headlong and his insides gushed out
    Anonymous
    19th Jan 2016
    8:40pm
    What gives you the right to impose your religious beliefs on me?
    PIXAPD
    19th Jan 2016
    9:05pm
    NOTHING is being imposed upon anyone...except suicide
    Anonymous
    19th Jan 2016
    9:09pm
    That makes no sense at all.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2016
    8:34pm
    So it's wrong to compassionately end a life that isn't a life anymore, but it's okay to play God and keep people alive when they should be dead? Sorry, that doesn't work. If you want to insist that only God has the right to determine when death should occur, start fighting the laws that allow medical intervention to prolong life. Otherwise, you're nothing but a hypocrite.
    HOLA
    19th Jan 2016
    8:51am
    My husband was in the last stages of Prostate Cancer and was going through a very difficult time, catheter bags, unable to sleep, and constant pain, and all this time he was still at home. It was all getting to me and his stupid doctor showed no interest. When I saw his last x-rays that were taken and it said the cancer had metastasised to all organs, I asked his doctor how long he had left and he shrugged and said, "Who knows". I could have easily have knocked him right out. I went home crying and rang the Cancer Council, who were so understanding and put me in touch with a Palliative Care Hospital near my home. They arranged for an ambulance to come and pick him up. He was there for 2 weeks before he died. The hospital said it was their policy to "Not Resuscitate" and I'm sure all that Morphine they administered hastened his departure. I had to give him liquid Morphine while he was at home, and I didn't want that responsibility, and couldn't leave the bottle next to him as I think he would have drank the whole bottle to end it all. RIP.
    olderandwiser
    19th Jan 2016
    10:15am
    Well, Debbie's comments have initiated a big response, but I'd like to come back to some of her words. Specifically
    "During the Christmas break I watched the superb Aussie movie, Last Cab to Darwin. For those who are not familiar with the story, it’s about a taxi driver who has terminal cancer and has decided enough is enough. So he decides to drive from Broken Hill to Darwin, to take advantage of the passing of a law that would, to all intents and purposes, legalise euthanasia. To cut a long, but tremendous story, short, when push comes to shove, he is unable to press the button, choosing instead to see out his natural life with his friends."

    Firstly Debbie this was just a story. A 'feel good' story to help sell tickets to movie goers. If you'd seen what really happened you would have written something quite different. Max (the retired taxi driver the story is based on) didn't pick up friendly passengers on his drive to Darwin. He was in great pain, and was even refused assistance by palliative care services when he stopped overnight at Alice Springs. (he wasn't registered with palliative care in Alice Springs, but he was registered with them in Darwin)

    His was greatly distressed by vomiting and diarrhoea and was in constant pain. it was a miracle that he completed the journey, and at no stage did he lose his resolve to seek help in terminating his life. Help under the new legislation was forthcoming however (a story in itself) and he ended up returning to Broken Hill to die badly in hospital.

    Please, to others who see this movie, enjoy it by all means but please spare a thought for the real story of the man who 'inspired' it. In my opinion Max would turn in his grave if he knew how badly he had been misrepresented. His dying should be a powerful argument FOR voluntary euthanasia, not against it.
    Penqueen1949
    19th Jan 2016
    2:08pm
    I have been diognosed with and treated with double doses of radiation treatment a very large and deep brain cancer. So far so good...... I have three monthly MRI to check whether the cancer is coming back. I know this cancer will get me one day. A year ago I was given eight years max to live. So when the end is near I WILL look to end my life instead of suffering in misery and incredible pain.
    Libby
    19th Jan 2016
    10:25pm
    Yup, me too and I don't blame you. Sorry you were diagnosed with this horrible brain cancer. It was unheard of in our growing up years and now we have so many dropping like flies! I'm the same age as you and what the hell am I complaining about? All the best.

    19th Jan 2016
    6:40pm
    I don't want masses of money spent on keeping me alive when there's no real hope.

    I don't believe in religion, so I don't want people praying for me.

    Give me the option to die with dignity.
    Libby
    19th Jan 2016
    9:52pm
    Well, I was brought up Catholic and moved onto Presbyterian but it doesn't make any difference to me what people do with their lives, if they are in extreme pain and want to go, let them, leave them be. I once asked my Potuguese neighbour what would happen if we took our own lives, she answered, "we will come straight back in another body to finish off where we left it"! Those who have died ahead of us naturally or otherwise, lucky them, have never returned to tell us what it's like. That's the scary part. We are told we will be animals in the next life. How would they know? Where's the answer? Also another thing, we are being "recycled" into different lives, so says the Hari Krishna.We have to be really, really close to God so we "don't come back". Now, who do we believe? Too many screwballs making us so confused. Just do the best we can with our lives.
    HOLA
    20th Jan 2016
    8:18am
    Every religion has all the answers. I read somewhere "Everyone wants
    to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die". I was raised a Catholic and attended Mass every Sunday with my sisters, went to a religious school, where we were brainwashed by the Nuns and made us feel guilty for everything. I raised my boys the same way but when they became teenagers they gave up going to Church. I still continued throughout my life but as I grew older I started to question a lot of things. After a very serious heart operation 4 years ago I then decided that if God wanted me then, I was ready to go. But that was not to be.I still believe in the power of prayer and live my life very simply. I don't need to be seen every Sunday at Church, and lets face it, many people attend out of habit. As you say LIBBY - just do the best we can and don't hurt anyone.
    PlanB
    20th Jan 2016
    8:05am
    I have witnessed so many die in horrific pain and suffering and I do not want to go through that – I love life BUT I do not want to be dependent on others NOR suffer as I have seen. I believe it should be up to the person to decide what THEY want.

    As far as as homosexual people go – I believe they were born that way –so is it not God’s will that they are Homosexual? – they can not help it.

    The God I have read about sure handed out some horrific punishment -- for a supposed LOVING GOD.

    Until you have suffered or seen your loved ones suffer then do not say it is “The gutless way out” you go ahead and suffer if thats what you want but DO NOT condemn others for what they do.

    Don’t ram your thoughts down others throats, many have lived a good and healthy life – but still suffer in the end so go and gain some empathy and leave others to please themselves.
    PIXAPD
    20th Jan 2016
    8:31am
    THE HOLY BIBLE; GOD DECLARES HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION www.richard-2782.net/abom.htm

    Australia does NOT need the FILTH of the sodomites, catamites and lesbians...they are not 'gay' for gay has nothing to do with them, so let's call them exactly what they really are.......abominable.

    Christians everywhere must stand against same sex marriage declaring it an abomination, it is a notion that comes from reprobate minds. We must teach and teach again that buggerers inherit not the kingdom....'Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God ? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor wantons, nor buggerers' 1 Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1 Geneva Bible 1559

    How's that?
    Anonymous
    20th Jan 2016
    8:47am
    Australia does NOT need the FILTH of you.
    PIXAPD
    20th Jan 2016
    8:58am
    Looks like I have touched a nerve with some folks...the SIN nerve
    Anonymous
    20th Jan 2016
    9:05am
    Not at all.

    Only Christians bother with sin.
    PlanB
    20th Jan 2016
    10:45am
    Hi PIXAPD, Please explain to me how those that are born "Homosexual" are born through NO fault of their own???? and are defiled by a "LOVING" God

    I imagine that being a Homosexual would not be an easy life and I am sure those that are do not choose it.
    HOLA
    21st Jan 2016
    8:42am
    I was a Carer for those who had been diagnosed with Hiv Aids. These young men and not so young were given a death sentence and there was no hope of curing. This was 15 years ago, the latest drugs give them the hope of living a longer life. Some of these men were totally disowned by their parents, because they were gay. How could these people, as parents, turn their back on their own flesh and blood. These men didn't choose to be gay it was with them from birth. I used to cry with them because all they wanted was the love of family. I'm not one to quote from the Bible, but there is a saying "Judge not, as that you will be judged", not sure if this is the correct saying, but it covers what I am trying to say.
    PlanB
    21st Jan 2016
    8:56am
    Hola that would have been VERY sad -- I feel so much for those and also the Transgender, it must be horrific what they have to contend with
    cyclonesally
    20th Jan 2016
    12:56pm
    If a "Christian" believes in VE, homosexuality, Gay marriage, Abortion etc, then they are NOT Christians. They are deluding themselves. True followers of Christ Love the sinner but hate the sin and do NOT condone it. I understand that there are many who are suffering in one way or another, with pain & health issues. Why don't you turn to God? What happened to Faith? Where has Faith gone? I still believe in miracles. I see them every day. I see them in the development of a child in utero & childbirth for example. Look around you. And to you so called athiests, you are the first to cry out to God when faced with imminent death. OK I await the onslaught. Jesus said, "if the world hates you, remember it hated me first. They hate me because I am not of this world as you are not of this world" So, go ahead unbelivers and hate. I am not bothered.
    PlanB
    20th Jan 2016
    1:17pm
    Sally, I did not say I condoned Homosexuality, Gay Marriage etc however because some are or do these things I do not judge them.

    Speaking of health issues I had a friend that was the MOST faithful in every way -- she followed blindly -- always told me
    " ÿou must have faith" -- when we disgusted such things, OFTEN,
    --- SORRY BUT I WANT ANSWERS --- but she died a dreadful death at the age of 64
    Anonymous
    20th Jan 2016
    1:33pm
    cyclonesally - your post is arrogant, offensive and insulting.

    You are the hater here.
    PlanB
    20th Jan 2016
    1:35pm
    BArak I often find that the so called Christens are very heartless and unforgiving, if that is what it is then I want NO PART of it
    Anonymous
    20th Jan 2016
    1:50pm
    Yep
    Libby
    20th Jan 2016
    11:09pm
    HOLA - I know exactly what you mean "brainwashed" by nuns and I was a boarder. Every wrong move I made they punished me for it saying it's a mortal or whatever sin. When I left the convent, I was still going to Mass but I "woke up" to it all. I became rebellious and started going out with friends and do whatever we enjoyed doing and no alcohol, I hate the stuff. I am sorry to hear about your husband and unsympathetic doctor. But he's now at peace and you have comfort in that.
    HOLA
    21st Jan 2016
    8:46am
    Thank you LIBBY for your kind remarks.
    PlanB
    21st Jan 2016
    9:01am
    I think ALL organised religion is a sick brain washing excersis and a money making racket
    PlanB
    21st Jan 2016
    9:05am
    I think ALL organised religion is a money making, sick, brain washing exercise -- I am an Agnostic as I find there seems to be some truth in both sides but NONE is proven and I want answers not "you must have faith" and look at all the "religious"turn outs that have done the most horrific things AND still are!
    Anonymous
    21st Jan 2016
    9:18am
    Yep.
    toot2000 (Sydney)
    21st Jan 2016
    2:05pm
    There seems to be an unspoken theory that if you are a Christian, (which most of us have been brought up as), to take one's own life is a sin. So it follows that we must suffer unspeakable agony and wait until the good Lord decides to take us. Well blow that, if I can find a way out when the time comes, I'll jump at it.
    Suzette
    21st Jan 2016
    4:59pm
    Ah yes .. the children of the "Baby Boomers" who are becoming increasingly impatient waiting on their inheritances just love this .. bring it on they say !!

    23rd Jan 2016
    8:02pm
    There's a massive difference between living and merely existing. When one is existing in a useless shell, with no hope of ever really living again, he/she should have the right to a quick and painless end to existence. I am not sure about euthanasia, to be honest, but compassionately-assisted dying SHOULD not only be legal, but recommended.
    PlanB
    24th Jan 2016
    6:58am
    Is that not much the same Rainey
    Anonymous
    26th Jan 2016
    11:09am
    Depends how you define euthanasia, PlanB. I prefer the term ''compassionately assisted dying'' because it implies that death is already imminent. You are just helping it along. But I qualify by saying that there should be careful legal requirements. We already have a system that allows people to specify when they don't want medical intervention to prolong life. Why can't that same specification be extended to state when they want intervention to end life - by a doctor, according to a legal document prepared and signed under strict supervision and verified by lawyers, doctors and witnesses?
    Tiny
    24th Jan 2016
    1:50pm
    I think we should first put the Question to the people, instead of allowing Politicians in small number decide what we should and should not be able to do.

    Once that result is known then we can move forward based on the result.

    26th Jan 2016
    11:11am
    Hmmm. Interesting list of Your Life Choices Most Popular Articles. We have 1 in 10 Aussies fearing Muslims, a renewed push for a Republic, 7 Worst Retirement Mistakes, and the Super-rich owning 1/2 the world's wealth...

    now I wonder why some Baby-boomers might be depressed enough to consider euthanasia????

    Maybe what we need is less bad news and more good cheer?
    HOLA
    27th Jan 2016
    2:00pm
    RAINEY -- hear, hear. I'm always ready for good news.


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