Our nation’s health is more important than your holiday plans: YLC member

‘The tourism losses may seem terrible, but better to lose them than our lives.’

Keep our borders closed, says member

YourLifeChoices member Nigel Fisher sent us a letter late last week, expressing concern over comments made in our article Australia’s international travel ban could be lifted within weeks.

Mr Fisher makes some very good points, some of which reflect general community sentiment. We asked Mr Fisher if we could republish his comments, and he kindly obliged.

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I’m writing to express my concerns of comments made and issues raised within the article relating to the lifting on international travel bans. In particular, that the state governments, which still have their state borders closed, are deemed as being ‘a nuisance’ due to the ‘hindering border disputes’ and ‘an obstacle to progress’ to trans-Tasman travel.

As a resident of Western Australia, which still has closed borders, I can say, closed borders are great. There are more Western Australians alive today due to our closed borders than if they were left open, leaving more of us to become COVID-19 positive.

Community spread of the virus here has been extremely low, and since our borders were closed, the number of cases within the state are nearly all attributable to outside contamination; that is, from people arriving in this state either by ship or aircraft.

As of 29 May, active COVID-19 cases in WA numbered 25: 20 from the ship Al Kuwait (a sheep carrier voyaging from Doha to Fremantle) and five who arrived in Perth on repatriation flights via Doha. One is a West Australian resident, the other four are residents from other states and territories and were due to continue on domestic flights to their homes. All of these five are in quarantine.

Western Australia has not seen the same level of community spread of the disease as there has been in the eastern states. In fact, community spread in some eastern states is still increasing.

In 1665, the village of Eyam in Derbyshire, England, became a battleground for the plague, the ‘Black Death’, which was sweeping across England at that time. Plague-carrying fleas were imported into the village on some bales of cloth from London.

In response, two priests, of differing faiths, took control of the village, and stopped all movement in and out of the village to prevent the spread of the plague from reaching other nearby villages and other areas of the county.

People from other close-by villages would leave food on large stones placed at all roads leading to Eyam. This food would then be distributed around the village by the villagers, with none of the food donors being in contact with the villagers. Several hundred of the villagers perished due to the plague, but it did not spread to the neighbouring villages. 

Isolation worked then. It will work today.

COVID-19 is a disease with no current cure and it cannot be vaccinated against. It has spread worldwide in an alarmingly short space of time with over five million people infected, resulting in more than 350,000 deaths. Our only defence currently is isolation.

It may seem draconian. It’s upsetting and has caused many holidays to be cancelled, overseas and interstate. My wife and I have had our planned home-swap holiday to New Zealand cancelled, and I’m unsure whether I will be able to obtain a refund on my airfare. But we are both well and, more importantly, alive. 

Sorry, the tourism losses may seem terrible, but better to lose them than our lives.

Keep our international and state borders closed. No Kiwi would thank us for picking up COVID-19 in one of the eastern state capitals, and we wouldn’t thank them if they then brought it into Western Australia. This is bigger than our personal holiday plans.

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    patti
    8th Jun 2020
    9:16am
    I'd have to agree with borders staying closed for a bit longer, especially after the mass gatherings we saw over the weekend for Black Lives Matter. We need to see what outcome there may be from those. Also, as a Queenslander, I think NSW and Vic tourists are pressuring for their usual winter break. Why would we let them in while their infection rates are not as low as ours? We already had one slip through to pick fruit.....having socialised with 15 others before arriving at his destination. Wonder how many he infected on the plane. Thanks to our premier for looking after us. Keep it going for a bit longer please.
    Bundabergian
    8th Jun 2020
    10:36am
    Yes Patti, us in Bundaberg are not happy about ! Have posted a link below.
    Sen.Cit.90
    8th Jun 2020
    11:50am
    Yes, Patti, It sickened me to see on TV all the idiots congregating ignoring the keep your distance advice. They have canceled out the border closures. It will be interesting to see if the number of Covid-19 cases rises again, If they do, I would consider the protesters as potential murderers yes drastic thoughts but the reading of the thousands that have died because of the virus it is concerning.
    Sundays
    8th Jun 2020
    11:56am
    As a fellow Queenslander, I agree completely. Let’s take our time before we open the borders. I expect a spike in Coronavirus after this weeken’s rallies too. Tourism is doing it tough but the reality is they need overseas tourists and not just the usual Grey Nomads that come in Winter. You would think that NSW Premier would be encouraging people to travel and spend their money within the State instead of Qld. Also, many small businesses and retail have already closed. Opening up borders won’t change that.
    qldnick
    8th Jun 2020
    12:21pm
    Maybe NSW Pemier is worried about an outbrake in northern NSW as that is the warmest area they can go from Sydney and Victoria.
    qldnick
    8th Jun 2020
    12:56pm
    Yes, Sen.Cit.90 potential by law it's manslaughter if proven.
    queenbubblypiss
    8th Jun 2020
    1:19pm
    Perfectly articulated Patti. I've nothing more to add except to emphasize that the rallies add an increased risk to the spread of COVID-19. One would hope that any more talk of re-opening borders is delayed at least until the impact of the rallies becomes visisble, say in one month's time. My business is in tourism, and quite frankly I do not want the borders open yet. I'm in for the long term (that is health and well being for as many as possible) over the short term (gain of $ from tourists). Those people "desperate" a holiday could do their own state tourism businesses a favour by "holidaying at home"ie., in their own state.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jun 2020
    5:26pm
    Well, qldnick, we are not at all happy about you Queenslanders freely wandering south either, as NNSW has much less COVID than does southern QLD. I wish your Premier had closed the borders BOTH SIDES.

    The unfortunate surfer killed by a shark near Kingscliff in NNSW yesterday was a Queenslander and there has been a flood of surfers entering NSW since forever, which NNSW surfers are extremely unhappy about, as they come from overcrowded, hassley Gold Coast surf breaks and bring their hassley culture with them. They upset our laid back NNSW culture. They are also likely spreaders of COVID as they like to intermingle and look for sex while they're here.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jun 2020
    5:43pm
    Yes, qldnick, we certainly don't want people coming here from big cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

    I agree, keep the borders shut for everyone's sake. I think they should have tested everyone (students and teachers) before opening schools, to save them having to shut down whole schools if and when one student later tests positive.

    Is there a link between casual sex and COVID? It would seem obvious regarding the social distancing rules, but they didn't shut down brothels until they shut down beauty parlours. Is this why children don't seem to spread COVID as much as adults do?

    There also seems to to be a link between slaughtered fresh meat (abattoirs in Victoria or Wuhan wet market) and COVID.
    KSS
    8th Jun 2020
    6:39pm
    Patti, the vast majority of cases in NSW are from returning Australians from overseas and their close contacts. There has been no community transmission detected for 9 days. And NSW logged more than other states because the vast majority of visitors and returnees to Australia transit through Sydney - even those from Queensland!
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2020
    3:27pm
    I find it ironic that the people in the rallys are holding placards say " I can't breath.". Almost exactly what happens when you contract the Virus.
    Farside
    9th Jun 2020
    3:31pm
    sen cit, most of those "idiots" will be largely unaffected by covid so why should protesters be concerned? If it's the vulnerable you are concerned about, well acorns don't fall from trees but that's evolution.
    Farside
    9th Jun 2020
    3:34pm
    Hoohoo, what is your point you are making about a link between slaughtered fresh meat (abattoirs in Victoria or Wuhan wet market) and COVID – that he virus does not like vegetarians?
    Hoohoo
    10th Jun 2020
    12:58pm
    Hi Farside, I'm not trying to make a point, I'm just asking a question: Is this a co-incidence?

    It's not a reference to vegans or vegetarians, just a correlation between these two slaughterhouses (Wuhan wet with animal blood markets and Cedar Meats, the outbreak/cluster of COVID for workers at that Victorian abattoir).

    It's NO co-incidence that there aren't vegetarians working at the abattoir. It doesn't say anything about vegetarians being any less vulnerable to catching COVID.
    Farside
    10th Jun 2020
    2:34pm
    Hoohoo, are you suggesting the Cedar Meats worker contracted the virus from australian animals processed there? Do they process cats?

    You're probably right about vegetarians working at the abattoir but I can't say whether it's a fact or not, my vegetarian cousin worked as a vet at an abattoir for a while (she did not like it if you are wondering). Apparently there are lots of migrants from India and Africa working at the abattoir because it's a job and they need money so it's not inconceivable as a proposition.
    Hoohoo
    12th Jun 2020
    8:48pm
    I don't know which animals have been associated with the Wuhan wet market. The jokes going around are all about eating bats and pangolins.
    I hadn't heard cats mentioned before now, except for the years old jokes about Asian food including cats and dogs on the menu.

    My query is about animal slaughter and COVID and the possible connection, given the outbreak at Cedar Meats (among the humans).
    Farside
    12th Jun 2020
    10:11pm
    Only mentioned cats because of Chinese taste for cats and that covid can also be transmitted by cat family (including minks https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/dutch-mink-cull-starts-as-coronavirus-spreads-to-10th-farm-20200607-p5508u.html). We don't have pangolins in oz.

    FYI, no links established between slaughtering cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens with covid so virus entered Cedar Meats with one or more of the workers or visitors, and then transmitted person to person.
    fearlessfly
    8th Jun 2020
    9:19am
    Absolutely keep the borders closed until next year !
    Marten
    8th Jun 2020
    12:19pm
    Obviously you are not a traveller and rather stay at home watching TV all day!
    fearlessfly
    8th Jun 2020
    12:46pm
    Au contraire ! Pre Covid we were cruising twice a year, visiting NZ at least once every year, and holidaying one weekend a month in our onsite caravan in regional Vic. The TV in our house remains switched off for 19 hours of th day !
    fearlessfly
    8th Jun 2020
    1:07pm
    And. we've got two new cruises booked for Feb 2021 and Jul 2021. In the meantime we'll be out there with our new mobile caravan tripping round.
    *Loloften*
    11th Jun 2020
    6:21am
    Agree 100% fearlessfly - we Vics were the 1st to close all our borders & hope we'll be the last to re-open them. And yes Marten, I am a traveller & very much look fwd to re-visiting my favourite o'seas countries (France, Irish Republic, Belgium, Italy, USA - just to name a few). I've also enjoyed an occasional TV "binge" during this "lock-down," as no doubt u have too Marten altho' don't expect you'll admit it.
    Misty
    11th Jun 2020
    8:36pm
    There is no way in the wide world I would go on a cruise again until either a vaccine or treatment is found for this Covid-19 virus and why would you want to go far from home, stay in motels where you don't know who has been there or how well they have been cleaned, I for one hope we have our overseas borders closed for a long time to come. I have no sympathy for those people who left our shores during this pandemic and either couldn't get back or came back sick, who in their right mind travels overseas during a pandemic.
    fearlessfly
    8th Jun 2020
    9:22am
    Off topic, but I am so incensed by this - have you noticed those scrofulous Noble Oak advertisements that have been appearing on YourLifeChoices web pages ? These unscrupulous bastards have what appears to be a "close me" X in the top right corner of the ad, but in reality this takes you to a web page for their garbage. The real "close me" X is next to it, greyed out so you almost cannot see it. What scumbag tactics, hell would freeze over before I even got sucked into buying any product from these morons. SAHME ON YOU Yourlifechoices for permitting this sort of crap !!!
    leek
    8th Jun 2020
    9:38am
    yep I fell for that as well. I saw a cross, clicked it and it went to another page as well. When I came back I realised it had 2 crosses- clicked the other cross and it disappeared. Very Very Sneaky!!
    fearlessfly
    8th Jun 2020
    10:58am
    I've lodged a formal complaint with YLC about this, and I'm going to chase it up with the Advertising Standards crew.
    john
    8th Jun 2020
    10:58am
    Your life choices does take some rubbish on , and should be more careful as to who they decide will sponsor them. I looked up an ad about health insurance awhile back , and, (I swear to you) recieved a phone called by a health insurance advice broker within 3 minutes of looking on the screen! I was just browsing?
    Seriously this is all over the top commercialism .
    Lescol
    8th Jun 2020
    11:19am
    I too fell for this crappy advertising. I doub if YLC can do anything except inform them, whom I refuse to name, it is very poor & unacceptable by readers!!!
    On the Ball
    8th Jun 2020
    11:25am
    Remeber YLC gets PAID every time you click on a link in any ad.
    This publication is really only a vehicle for ads. Most of the articles are cut & pastes from other similar publications. And you have to skip over the first few paragraphs because they are only revising what we already know.
    I am sick and tired of being distracted by these inane ads when I am trying to read actual content (the percentage of which had dropped markedly, compared to the content of distracting ads).
    Funny, I was going to write this today, when I tried to close one of the ads the INCORRECTLY had the X leading to the website, rather than close the ad.
    VERY nasty trick YLC.
    Rosret
    8th Jun 2020
    12:46pm
    Me too!
    Pass the Ductape
    8th Jun 2020
    3:24pm
    And me!
    Sen.Cit.90
    8th Jun 2020
    3:39pm
    Thanks, fearlessfly, for pointing out the greyed out X I'd not noticed it and was pestered by the advert a few times.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jun 2020
    6:00pm
    Good on you, flf, for bringing this to readers' attention.

    I haven't been sucked in, but that's because I 100% refuse to even look at a 'pop up' ad online. You can waste a lot of time on click bait, so I've just drawn the line right there. They don't own me and I owe them nothing, certainly not chunks of my precious time. It helps that I'm not at all interested in so-called celebrities' lives. I have my own.

    Same with TV - I record everything I want to watch so I have the option to 'skip' the ads (if it even has ads) and 'pause' it when I want a cuppa or toot break. Life's too dammed short.
    LeonYLC
    9th Jun 2020
    8:46am
    Thank you for pointing this out to us.
    This was not a deliberate ploy, but a design glitch. We will address it ASAP.
    As we're sure you are aware, we rely on advertisers so that we can continue to bring this free service to you. However, we do not get paid every time you click on an ad.
    We also very much appreciate and wish to thank you for your patronage!
    Cheers,
    Leon
    fearlessfly
    9th Jun 2020
    9:30am
    Well, that's encouraging this morning! The Ad is still here, but now with only a single "click to close" button. I'm not sure I swallow LeonYLC's explanation of a "design glitch". I spent years in software development in a prior life and I'd find it hard to let a "glitch" like this get through pre-testing phase.
    Viking
    9th Jun 2020
    10:24am
    Yes they've changed it alright, the 'x' has gone but the trap is still there and it's still easy to open at the slip of a finger.
    Hoohoo
    9th Jun 2020
    12:42pm
    You can't blame advertisers for employing every tactic they can to influence you. After all, this IS what they're paid to do (and to get results). They know many older people aren't too online savvy, so we're an easier target to hit.

    Don't imagine they're there to help make your life easy - they're there to take your money if they can convince you the benefit to you is worth the money. BUYER BEWARE!
    Farside
    9th Jun 2020
    3:42pm
    ha, I clicked the X and the ad closed, twice. The ad itself is a hyperlink so watch your cursor to check the target URL. Cannot blame YLC or the advertiser for accurately targetting its audience.
    tams
    8th Jun 2020
    9:22am
    Perhaps Mr fisher should extend his border control to limiting persons leaving their suburb (border around the suburb), or even their street (border around his street). It makes no sense.
    He is saying somebody can't travel from Albury to Wodonga, or Tweed Heads to Coolangatta, as they are in different states.
    Because Mr fisher is in an isolated location (WA) he fails to accept the total Australian picture
    Marten
    8th Jun 2020
    12:23pm
    The same applies to residents of Mount Gambier wanting to travel to towns across the border being merely an half hours drive and vice versa.
    rosi
    8th Jun 2020
    9:26am
    I definately agree that the borders need to stay closed for a while longer. We in SA have travelled with the pandemic very well and so have many other states and although it is very obvious that it is affecting the tourism industry I feel that lives are much more important than dollars. It is a little scary now that the demonstrations of Black Lives Matter has started up during this time and would have been much better if the demonstrations were later but cant be helped. So Borders closed for a little longer would be great. The same as Patti remarked. Ithank our premier for keeping us safe and hope this continues

    8th Jun 2020
    9:28am
    How many people have lost there jobs or businesses in all sorts of industries because of borders shut and how many are commiting suicide because of this situation most of the people on this websight are on welfare so don't care about anyone else.

    Put yourself in there shoes and see how you feel. We are all one in Australia so open the border and take your chances
    leek
    8th Jun 2020
    9:46am
    not all on welfare here. Have had 5 cruises cancelled to day, probably another 3 on the cards. 28.5 million people cruised last year world wide. The only cruising stories you hear on the TV are the handful of the bad stories. The good stories, really outweigh the bad stories. But the media don't want to report the many many millions that are currently booking future cruises, and can't wait to be back on a ship, spend their money at the ports they visit.
    But not expecting cruising to start until next year.
    Oh yes and to those people supporting travelling Australia, I have extensively travelled almost every corner of this country. Now is my time sit back and enjoy a ship taking me to my next destination.
    Hardworker
    8th Jun 2020
    9:59am
    Don't make assumptions Robie. Plenty of us have lost a lot of money on our travel plans for this year and may not be able to travel next year either. Money that was hard earned and saved during our working lives. It's not usual for one to want to risk their life for a holiday. I agree with leek. I have seen a lot of Australia and wish to now see at least some of the rest of the world. When you are in the older age group you tend to want to do that comfortably. To get back to the article's question about reopening our borders, it is obvious we need to do a bit more work on that before we reopen. Letting a fruit picker through without any checks who has potentially infected quite a lot of people is not acceptable and needs to be addressed. And yest tams, I feel a bit sorry for those living right on the border who need to cross on a regular basis. Be strong, be tough and stay safe!
    john
    8th Jun 2020
    11:07am
    AS OF YET ROBBIE NOT ENOUGH IS KNOWN ABOUT THIS VIRUS TO "TAKE YOUR CHANCES?
    Really we have time after these protests to use those people as guinea pigs, as the world will watch and see if any , many , or none get the virus. The unknown virus new, and a killer apparently, with no medicine and no vaccine yet! YET?
    People are going broke having a hard time and being locked down, right now this virus seems to be contained in some places and easing up a bit , I think?? I don't know, so how on earth do we know what this thing is going to do in the next year , or month?

    We don't unless world wide AUTHORITIES HAVE BEEN LYING TO THE POPULATIONS SINCE THE START, why would they? There is no reason, so it is sensible to assume that we have still a roaming killer in our midst around the planet, And we are not sure what is still may do.

    Now if your dead you can't run a business, but that is not a real good comment because things have eased up, but the point is simple , too early is too dangerous if this thing mutates and does other things to people, maybe even like Ebola Riber virus does, We don't know. So impatience can be a killer too, rather than bravado and "take your chances" hah!
    qldnick
    8th Jun 2020
    11:42am
    Put yourself in the shoes of the families of the 350,000 that died and see how you feel. Plus all the ones infected ongoing health problems.
    Marten
    8th Jun 2020
    12:30pm
    People in some parts of Europe are now able to actually cross the borders to other countries to spend their holidays. By all means, continue social distancing for at least a few more months, but at least allow Australians to visit other parts of their own country, either for holidays or visiting parents and/or their children.
    Aussie
    8th Jun 2020
    2:40pm
    Well Robie how about if you get lock up overseas with very small money and no where to go ????? but happy and healthy without any virus ..... I am lock up in Thailand now the Embassy is organizing return trips but so expensive I can not afford them so I stay lock up maybe until the end of the year ...BUT HEALTHY AND SAFE FROM VIRUS ...... so yes keep the borders closed and do what we can tu survive the day ....I am doing that why not others do the same for health and safety ???? the problem is that a lot of people do not want to change or have a lot less for a period of time they want the same every day and right now ..... that is my opinion
    Aussie
    8th Jun 2020
    2:42pm
    Oh Oh Oh you must be that Robie that created so much controversy and been lock up from the forum last year wowowowowowo Hi there Robie ....
    Rod63
    8th Jun 2020
    3:01pm
    " most of the people on this websight (sic) are on welfare so don't care about anyone else."

    What an awful think to say, Robie.
    queenbubblypiss
    8th Jun 2020
    4:01pm
    I'm a small business owner, and right now we (small business owners) are nearly all currently on welfare (due to COVID), so may be you're right Robie....but I don't think that's your sentiment...so, really, in response, I would be very surprised if ALL of the readers here are on welfare. I know there are people suffering due to the situation, but if COVID-19 gets loose it will be way, way worse.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jun 2020
    6:37pm
    Robie, we are clearly not "all one in Australia". We are very diverse and I daresay our government has stayed in office for the last 6 years by deliberately dividing us - same with Trump's tactics. It doesn't help that the rich continue to be getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, ESPECIALLY during lockdown. The gaps just get wider and wider between the haves and have nots.

    Our remote indigenous communities are particularly vulnerable to COVID, as are our elderly and younger people with health issues. Do you think they don't deserve protection because they don't own corporations that add lots to the GDP?

    I'm just guessing, but I think most people considering suicide because of COVID are lonely single people, or people with already unhappy homes. I'm blessed with a happy partnership (for over 35 years) and we've had a ball during lockdown, with extra time for talking, dancing, singing and watching World Movies on SBS channel 32. We're both avid AFL fans but we haven't missed it much at all. Just wish we had netball and tennis to watch.

    I can say this for certain - your HEALTH is much more important than your BANK BALANCE, especially when poor health leads to death.
    Seneca
    8th Jun 2020
    9:37am
    So protests trump businesses?
    What manner of thinking would think so?
    Jacka
    8th Jun 2020
    9:48am
    I certainly do agree with keeping borders closed and isolation.Had the Australian Government suspended international travel both in and out of Australia at the start of this pandemic, fewer lives would have been lost. I believe way too much taxpayer money was wasted in unrealistic payments to the unemployed, putting people up in hotels, especially vagrants, millions and millions of taxpayer dollars down the drain. Also I don't believe people should have had access to their superannuation. Hopefully this will teach people, mainly the young to save money for that rainy day, that will come. People need to take responsibility for their own lives and well-being and not expect the government (taxpayers in reality) to bail them out when times are tough. For most of the young and even not-so-young, reality does not exist. Maxing out credit cards to keep up with the Joneses, borrowing money to go on holiday, when they can't even pay their electricity bill. An absolute disgrace. You may ask yourself, what's that gurgling sound I hear, that's Australia going down the sinkhole. Wake up before it's too late. Jacka.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jun 2020
    7:00pm
    Totally disagree, Jacka, with your comment "way too much taxpayer money was wasted in unrealistic payments to the unemployed, putting people up in hotels, especially vagrants, millions and millions of taxpayer dollars down the drain."

    Not down the drain at all! For a start, those hotels would've been left vacant without tourists anyway, so it's actually stimulated the economy by having vagrants housed there, not to mention stopping the spread of COVID at the same time. We'd have had a heap more suicides if people on Newstart were left on a pittance while the cost of basic living has gone up so steeply (according to my supermarket receipts).

    Thank God for these measures, because they have helped preserve our wonderful society. You know, if Australia didn't care for our poor and disabled with Medicare and our welfare system, we'd be in the same huge mess as the USA with COVID everywhere and the poor taking to crime, because how else would you survive? How else could you get medical treatment, food or shelter? Trump doesn't care because he knows HIS people can always pay for a doctor, medicine, hospital, food and shelter. He sees the poor as disposable trash.

    I note, too, that Trump is cashing in on selling barley to China, after China just put an 80% tariff on Australian barley. We are just fodder for these two superpower bullies. They'll both happily fuck us over in a crisis. We should be trying to extract ourselves from them both, as far as is possible, while not cutting off our own best options.
    BigAl
    8th Jun 2020
    9:49am
    What stupidity to keep the state borders closed. We have lost 103 people mostly in their 80s and pretty well all of them had other major health issues. We lose 2000 -3000 each year from flu. The cost of the shut down works out to be $20 billion ($2000000000) per death. That’s a lot of schools, hospitals, infrastructure etc. In addition Stanford University has shown that stress related illnesses and death due to the shut down wIll occur at a rate of 1 per $20m. That’s thousands of more people dying let alone a loss in standards of living. If you looked at the mortality data the biggest benefit in preventing deaths occurred when we shut the international borders and cruise ships Arrivals and through social distancing. It did not occur after we shut down the restaurants, pubs, schools and borders. The politicians are using scaremongering tactics so they can be seen to be saviours of their states. Open the borders Anna!!
    sainter
    8th Jun 2020
    11:01am
    Anna is not the only one BigAL,the S.A.Premier Marshall and the W.A and Tassie Premiers are still doing the same...economy is the big savior now and true Australia must look at it's economy,but health hasn't actually gone off the agenda here....although with some people it has.
    sainter
    8th Jun 2020
    11:01am
    Anna is not the only one BigAL,the S.A.Premier Marshall and the W.A and Tassie Premiers are still doing the same...economy is the big savior now and true Australia must look at it's economy,but health hasn't actually gone off the agenda here....although with some people it has.
    Eddy
    8th Jun 2020
    11:59am
    BigAl, Wise Freddie and others, I do not think closing borders is draconian at all, it is a sensible precaution in the battle against Covid-19 and it certainly is not stupid. WA, NT and Tas are fortunate that geography makes closing their borders relatively simple in comparison with Qld, NSW and Vic.
    I regard your attitude that fatalities are 'mostly in their 80s' quite alarming, surely the elderly have a right to live in relative safety, what sort of society do you advocate, one where lives, no longer thought 'useful', can be involuntarily terminated .
    Yours attitudes are reminiscent of the 1970s when some people thought the compulsory wearing of seatbelts in cars was violating their 'rights'. Or the motorcyclists who complained about compulsorily wearing helmets, ''let the rider decide' was their mantra.
    I support keeping the borders closed until the community can be assured that the risk of opening them is acceptable ie 'safe'. I do not think we are there yet. I am sure the relevant authorities are very aware of the economic impacts of their decisions but are not prepared to let rich persons wealth take precedence over poor persons health.
    BigAl
    8th Jun 2020
    12:29pm
    You are so selfish. You are robbing from future generations including your own grand children. They are the ones who have pay down the debt. Plus living standards of future generations will be lowered. And what about the millions of unemployed many who will not RE-employed for 5 years Think about their stress levels. And you obviously didn’t read what I wrote. The stress related diseases, let alone mental health issues and increased drug and alcohol consumption, will far out way deaths by covid.
    Aussie
    8th Jun 2020
    2:51pm
    Ok BigAl ..... I totally agreed with you lets open all the borders Local and international and follow Trumpy Boy way of distruction .... so Yeahhhhh BigAl lets open the borders make money and get many people dead and many new virus ....mate you must be thinking like our PM and Trumpy boy .... maybe UR from USA ????? well I can understand your views ..... lets be the first let be at the top of infections lets make money money and fuck the rest ..... You are something else ....you should think again
    BigAl
    8th Jun 2020
    3:51pm
    It’s a pity you have to use foul language. Shows your level of intelligence. You’ll tear your hair out when Trump wins the next election.
    Eddy
    8th Jun 2020
    4:36pm
    Big Al, what are you talking about 'robbing from future generations' . Each generation has to pay the debts of the previous generation, it has always been thus. This 'debt for future generations' ploy is a political device Governments of all persuasions use to avoid affecting their balance sheet with borrowings. For instance if it wasn't for debt the Sydney Harbour Bridge would never have been built. The SHB cost £6.25 million ($12.5 million) to build and was finally paid off in 1988. Where would Sydney have been today if we did not have the SHB.
    Will debt lower the living standards of future generations, history tells us no. Australia came out of the second world war with a debt of £750 million (which was 120% of GDP). What happened to Australia in the post war years, it was an economic boom time. Our unemployment rate was less than 2% notwithstanding the boatloads of immigrants that came to our shores. I know that when I entered the job market in 1957 I had the luxury of choosing which job I wanted, not taking anything available.
    If you want to debate me Big Al at least use facts, not emotion or political posturing
    Rod63
    8th Jun 2020
    5:02pm
    BigAl - let's all sincerely hope for all our sake's, that Trump is NOT re-elected.
    Rod63
    8th Jun 2020
    5:05pm
    News just in:

    "Former US secretary of state Colin Powell has endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, saying he "cannot in any way support President Trump this year".

    It's uncommon for Republicans to directly criticise Donald Trump — more so for members of the military establishment — but Mr Powell told CNN that Mr Trump "lies all the time" and poses a danger to American democracy."
    Hoohoo
    8th Jun 2020
    7:30pm
    BigAl, many many more than 103 Australians would be dead now (and ongoing) if we didn't lock down when we did. Younger people would be dying, too.

    Have you not seen what's happening overseas? Over 300,000 people are dead from COVID. Can you imagine how that has devastated the members of those 300,000 families? Millions of people grieving!

    I wouldn't be too surprised if Trump gets elected again or should I say, wins the next election (he lost the popular vote to Clinton by 2,900,000 votes in 2016). He is easily corrupt enough, evil enough and has the power and tools to make it happen. He spends over US$1 million per week on Facebook, buying influence there. And voting Americans seem stupid enough to vote for him again, even though his own Republican Party is calling him out for his utter incompetency and as you say, Rod63, threat to democracy.
    Misty
    11th Jun 2020
    11:44pm
    Why do people think opening our borders will automatically bring thousands of tourists into their respective states?, everyone I know and have spoken to say there is no way they will be travelling anywhere this year away from home unless for medical or work and then only if there is no alternative.
    Hoohoo
    12th Jun 2020
    8:54pm
    Unfortunately, Misty, a lot of people think they're entitled to travel wherever they want, since they've got the money and they've already planned and booked ahead for their annual overseas holidays. It's part of their lifestyle for retirement. Good for them.

    But for that pesky COVID! They feel robbed. Now they can't go overseas, so they'll go wherever, whenever they can. Watch out NZ!
    Warmgranny
    8th Jun 2020
    9:58am
    Sadly we have to do whatever it takes. However it irks me that in Qld and WA in particular we have to focus on keeping the virus out, whereas the quoted plague situation in England was controlled by selfless people keeping the virus in.

    Instead of willingly and selflessly making every effort to prevent the virus spreading more widely across the country, NSW and Vic are selfishly wanting to open all borders for selfish economic and 'warm climate holiday' reasons no matter what the cost in lives.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jun 2020
    1:14pm
    I agree, Warmgranny. I'm from NSW
    Wise Freddie
    8th Jun 2020
    9:58am
    It is draconian to keep our borders closed. I haven't seen any queues outside our hospitals but the queues outside centrelink are still long. It is degrading for many people to have to do this. We need to strike a balance with the risk to public health (which seems pretty low now) and the damage this lockdown has done and is continuing to do with the border closures. We are one country after all. The damage to our economy will take years to come good. Let's not make it worse.
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2020
    3:32pm
    If you have a choice of wellfare or a body bag, you would choose a body bag for yourself and family?
    Bundabergian
    8th Jun 2020
    10:15am
    Well they aren't really closed are they? We are in rural Queensland and were feeling pretty pleased with ourselves having zero cases. We were looking forward to my hubby being able to go over to WA and see his elderly mother. And then last week a covid19 positive fruit picker flew from Melbourne to Brisbane where he met up with friends and family before flying on the next day to Bundaberg, into shared accommodation. then a day later got tested and is positive. No quarantine or pre-flight tests or anything and goodness knows who he has been in contact with, on two flights and an airport bus. Locals here are mightily not happy, as we have been very strictly controlled! It seems that the rules don't apply to "essential workers" who fly in.
    Warmgranny
    8th Jun 2020
    10:23am
    That's alarming information. Is this public knowledge somewhere?
    Bundabergian
    8th Jun 2020
    10:35am
    yep, not sure if I can post a link but it is here among other places. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-06/coronavirus-cases-queensland-fruit-picker-public-health-alert/12309468
    Warmgranny
    8th Jun 2020
    12:26pm
    Thanks for that Bundabergian. Seems that Abc website is no longer available but I found lots else, even references from Jeanette Young several days back that she was pleased with the response from the Bundaberg Community. I still can't find out how the Bundaberg community were 'alerted' though. Nothing on the Qld Health web site under coronavirus, and the last entry in another section titled alerts is dated 2 Feb.

    Aaaagh !!! The Qld health webside is a nightmare.
    KSS
    9th Jun 2020
    6:48am
    Warmgranny, this was hardly a secret. It was all over the news on all media on the day it came to light.

    And given the person in question was asymptomatic it was impossible for him or anyone else to know he was infectitious. Righteous indignation doesn't help.
    LornaH
    8th Jun 2020
    10:40am
    YES, YES, YES! Close the borders and NO to International travellers to Australia. NSW, take heed of other states.
    KSS
    8th Jun 2020
    6:52pm
    I do agree that national borders should remain closed at least for the time being. And that means both ways, no international students, and no travel ' bubble'.
    Karl Marx
    8th Jun 2020
    10:44am
    Totally agree so idiots only interested in money & their own selfish objectives like Berejiklian, Hanson, Palmer & the like can shove it where the sun don't shine.
    Country John
    8th Jun 2020
    10:52am
    I think the border closures have worked in containing the virus. Sadly the protests over the weekend May change that. So in saying that I would like to see the borders closed for longer. We then need to be very careful about who comes in to the country. Biological screening and testing seem the most likely. But what I really want is our border to open up for a couple of hours so I can fly to the Philippines and be reunited with my girl friend. Selfish? Yep it is. Seriously though perhaps a limited opening such as flights from here to NZ and Vanuatu ( Covid19 free). Then slowly resume openings. If you want/need to travel overseas for compassionate, business or similar them you quarantine for 2 weeks at your own expense in a government approved facility. It's hard to be quarantined. I spent 5 weeks in lockdown in Manila followed by 2 weeks solitary confinement in a Sydney motel. Then to South Australia where I spent 2 weeks in home isolation then to a mental health facility in Victoria where I have been 3 weeks and expect 2 more before discharge. It's currently in a lockdown situation then back to South Australia where I serve another 2 weeks home isolation. I am sick of living like this so please keep the borders so we can get rid of it and live like we used to.
    john
    8th Jun 2020
    10:54am
    The next few weeks will be very important to see what has happened in Syd , Melb, Paris, London many cities in the USA which has lost over 100,000 people , after all these protests.
    Forget the noble cause , as some of them are just thugs and looters, but the disease, if there is going to be 2nd & 3 rd waves then this'll tell us if international borders are opened or closed. Personally I can't understand how on earth people in places like France London USA broke out into giant protests, after seeing thousands of their people die. Also the world infection numbers are closing in on 7,000,000 people. So it is /was no joke.
    And also the people repatriated to Australia 4 that have been placed on airoplanes , where do they put them? In baggage????? THE CONTRADICTIONS IN EASING OF RESTRICTIONS IS MIND-BOGGLING, or this thing wasn't anywhere near as bad as thought, how the hell do you know or who do you believe, obviously several thousand protesters think they are safe from the virus . Heaven help us if Ebola River ever broke out world wide, so I'd be holding international borders for quite a while to see what happens, and interstate a little earlier with restrictions, but how do you have restrictions on an aeroplane?
    Rosret
    8th Jun 2020
    1:58pm
    I think this is a sociological response from being locked down for an extensive period. COVID-19 is not like the Spanish flu or the bubonic plague where people were dying all around them. The elderly are dying. Everyone else is being put in a holding pattern with an enormous financial burden. So stress and isolation compound to form this one united angry response even though atrocities are happening everyday all around the world.

    It is disappointing, however perhaps this is all we can ask of a population as one entity.
    Jacka
    8th Jun 2020
    10:59am
    Not very selfish Hardworker. I don't agree that most people would want to risk their lives for a holiday. I certainly wouldn't. If you wish to risk your life for a holiday that's your prerogative but don't risk mind or anybody else's. The voice of sanity, Jacka.
    Oldpom63
    8th Jun 2020
    11:10am
    The state border closures were to compartmentalise covid-19 Australia into states And to make sure each state dealt with its own health issues (treating, isolating, Ventilators) as the infections grew. Now it is almost eradicated opening state borders will stimulate a growth in our economy and get us out of the recession we’ve just entered!
    Misty
    11th Jun 2020
    11:53pm
    In your dreams Oldpom63, no one I know will be going on holidays out of our state, and not even in our state, who wants to take the risk of getting ill far from home with no vacccine or known treatment for this virus. People will also be very cautious about spending as we don't know if we will have another wave of COVID-19 and be out of work again.
    Bakka
    8th Jun 2020
    11:24am
    You have to be kidding!!! Following the BLM protests....all bets are off...if one section

    of the community can act with total impunity then why oh why should the rest of us still toe the line...
    I could not attend ANZAC Day gatherings for good reasons... but this lot can do what they like ..all under the cover of what actually is a very real issue.
    There were alternatives... Everyone ( myself included) could have come out on footpaths ,down on one knee , head bowed for 1 minute ..what a powerful message this would have made.. all in the spirit of Social Distancing.
    Any empathy this cause may have enjoyed has been totally dissipated by their reckless , thoughtless actions.
    “ You will never achieve meaningful change via mob demonstrations while breaking the law, Rather reach out to the majority and bring them along with you in support of your cause”
    The Premiers now have no choice other than to totally abandon any covid 19 rules and just everything go back to normal..I for one will NOT be following any covid 19 protocols .
    Total joke now.
    aussiehero
    8th Jun 2020
    3:29pm
    I feel I need to mention that I am white, old, non-indigenous, and have never been in trouble with the police.

    With respect, Bakka, rubbish!
    These millions of protesters worldwide are prepared to put their own lives, their fellow protesters' lives, the medias' lives, the lives of the police at risk, and, indirectly, everybody else's lives at risk. I repeat...their own lives...to express their feelings about POLICE BRUTALITY.

    Hardly "acting with total impunity", they could all be dead in 3 weeks time, and they know it.
    Apparently the ballot box is not working well enough for them.

    They must feel very strongly about their issue.

    So, rather than judge and condemn these millions, can we discuss how they can vent their feelings SAFELY, but effectively?

    What you are saying, Bakka, is that, for your own reasons, you are prepared to put our lives, and your own, at risk. Why? All because you feel it's unfair!

    I know of a saying sadder than yours, "In all of human history no significant change has occurred without bloodshed".

    Now I am not saying that I agree with the BLM actions or bloodshed, just that we should be talking about the issues, not the people, ie COVID SAFETY and POLICE BRUTALITY.

    eg, the White vs Black thing. How can we lick it? It seems to raise it's ugly head every generation!
    Is our police model the wrong model. Do any other countries have a better police experience, etc, etc?
    Farside
    10th Jun 2020
    2:53pm
    police only arresting people with caucasian ethnicity would be a good start to making the BLM supporters happy.
    Paddington
    8th Jun 2020
    11:24am
    Yes, NSW and Victoria have the most cases so other borders should stay closed. The weekend was a great disappointment with the rallies and marches all over the country. If one person takes the virus into a remote Aboriginal community it will wipe out that place so how is that helpful? It is scary and changes what we do from now, unfortunately.
    Rosret
    8th Jun 2020
    1:43pm
    It would be really bad news if this did spread through the elders. Hopefully the virus really just isn't around anymore. Sunshine and social distancing does seem to help. I would think the highest risk is going to be those living in the heart of Sydney.
    I guess if things don't go wrong in the next two weeks it should be an indicator to open up borders again. It just seems incredulous that the people who we thought may be at greatest risk are the ones not following the health advice.
    ronloby
    8th Jun 2020
    11:53am
    Overseas travel in and out of Australia should be kept in place untill this Virus has been killed and not Australians. Inbound travel from certain countries should not be allowed for at least 12 month.
    Karl Marx
    8th Jun 2020
    12:25pm
    There should be a permanent international entry ban for all people who have visited China in the last 6 months. If they are an Australian citizen on an Australian passport then they do the current mandatory 14 day hotel arrest, if they aren't Australian & that includes those on a foreign passport but with Australian residency then they are denied entry. No if's or but's, your a high risk until further notice.
    Rosret
    8th Jun 2020
    1:45pm
    They have been coming in all through this period. They just have to go into quarantine for 2 weeks.
    Aussie
    8th Jun 2020
    3:03pm
    Karl Marx ????? Why center in China have a look USA Italy Mexico Brazil Peru and many other countries a lot worse than China, the virus may started in China but other countries are worse ..... are you following our PM and Trumpy boy ????? so many countries should be locked out from Australia for at least 1 more yeaar only accept students and special people with a full clean medical record and must be verify as they enter Australia with 14 days mandatory lock up and medical veification and all that at there own cost (We should not pay for foreing medical or lock up people that want to come to Australia).
    Karl Marx
    8th Jun 2020
    4:51pm
    China because that's where it all started. All others who aren't Australian & that includes those on a foreign passport but with Australian residency then they are denied entry no matter where they come from. No if's or but's, your a high risk until further notice.
    And when we do open international borders ALL non citizens to have mandatory health insurance that also covers Covid19 for a minimum of US$200,000 & that includes foreign students. No insurance go learn somewhere else, we don't want you here.
    Farside
    10th Jun 2020
    2:56pm
    be careful on wishing the borders to be closed for ever – the virus may never be killed in absence of a vaccine ... it could become just a relatively benign virus that flares up from time to time
    qldnick
    8th Jun 2020
    12:01pm
    All federal and state politicians are trying to safe lives in there own way and all doing a good job and Australians should be proud for what is done, however some people don't seems to understand but everyone should know money can't buy heath.
    Rosret
    8th Jun 2020
    12:51pm
    Money most definitely buys health.
    We can only close the borders because the government is getting a loan to pay for the people who have lost their jobs. Our northern neighbours are not so lucky.
    This is why so many people in the USA are upset. Those who can afford medical insurance have better hospital care and a higher chance of survival.
    Rosret
    8th Jun 2020
    12:45pm
    No. We have family interstate and this is a very cruel decision. Life doesn't stop rolling on so waiting may just turn into never.
    jan
    8th Jun 2020
    1:05pm
    Yes I agree keep boarders close. Protesters fight for equality e.g. one rule for all, but break the rules by not adhering to the 1.5 distancing. Protester should be the last to be treated, they knew the consequences.
    queenbubblypiss
    8th Jun 2020
    1:19pm
    Perfectly articulated Patti. I've nothing more to add except to emphasize that the rallies add an increased risk to the spread of COVID-19. One would hope that any more talk of re-opening borders is delayed at least until the impact of the rallies becomes visisble, say in one month's time. My business is in tourism, and quite frankly I do not want the borders open yet. I'm in for the long term (that is health and well being for as many as possible) over the short term (gain of $ from tourists). Those people "desperate" a holiday could do their own state tourism businesses a favour by "holidaying at home"ie., in their own state.
    jan
    8th Jun 2020
    1:33pm
    Good on you queenbubb., Yes holiday in your own state is my advice. I was born in the UK, lived there for 32yrs and now wished I would have visited more of the UK. Only realised what ive missed when I watched the tv program advertising houses to buy in the UK it's so important for travel agents to advertise WA and even family resorts. Even small resorts like farmstays. Pet friendly places.
    Golden Oldie
    8th Jun 2020
    1:22pm
    As a Victorian, I can see the sense in keeping border controls in place. You only ave to look at the examples of the abbatoir inMelbourne, and the nursing home in NSW to see the danger of spreading the virus into other states which currently have their health under control. I would love to go to Queensland for a holiday this winter, but am happy to forego this break from the cold this year.
    Golden Oldie
    8th Jun 2020
    1:22pm
    As a Victorian, I can see the sense in keeping border controls in place. You only ave to look at the examples of the abbatoir inMelbourne, and the nursing home in NSW to see the danger of spreading the virus into other states which currently have their health under control. I would love to go to Queensland for a holiday this winter, but am happy to forego this break from the cold this year.
    mon
    8th Jun 2020
    1:26pm
    I agree that our international borders should be slow to reopen. As most of the cases that Australia has had to deal with is people coming from countries overseas. But our numbers are so low nationally, I think people need to realise that we need to get our economy up and running again as soon as possible. People will take their holidays in Australia because it is safe to do so. And be spending their dollars into our economy. We have not got back on our feet from the bushfires. When Covid 19 hit, there are communities that have been forgotten in the pandemic crisis. That are crying out for our support. If we maintain the safe distancing and washing of hands frequently, the risks are minimal. If people get checked if they feel unwell. then the authorities can quickly get on top of any outbreaks. We are not going to be completely free of this virus for a while yet. To expect that is unrealistic. But our economy needs to get back on its feet, or the costs to this country could take many years to pull back.
    Misty
    12th Jun 2020
    12:06am
    Well good luck with that mon, hoping people will still wash their hands and strictly social distance, I live in a tourist town in the Snowy Mntns and even during the long weekend just gone, when I shopped at our Woolies store I noticed many people no longer using the hand sanitisers and trolley wipes. This has been our main worry here as we have been COVID-19 free except for 2 overseas travellers in Feb, that tourists coming through our town will bring the virus with them.
    Viking
    8th Jun 2020
    1:31pm
    Yes let's keep the border to our northern fair weather friends closed but make it closed in both directions and reduce the spread of their environmentally damaging cane toads, their economy damaging fruit fly and their killer Hendra virus which has caused deaths of people and horses in NSW. Most tourists and consumers live in Vic and NSW, we have plenty of great places and things to see and do so let's rebuild our own tourism and retail industries with our money in Vic and NSW first. By then will there be a reef worth visiting or will they have completely destroyed that as well as their tourism industry?
    Viking
    8th Jun 2020
    1:31pm
    Yes let's keep the border to our northern fair weather friends closed but make it closed in both directions and reduce the spread of their environmentally damaging cane toads, their economy damaging fruit fly and their killer Hendra virus which has caused deaths of people and horses in NSW. Most tourists and consumers live in Vic and NSW, we have plenty of great places and things to see and do so let's rebuild our own tourism and retail industries with our money in Vic and NSW first. By then will there be a reef worth visiting or will they have completely destroyed that as well as their tourism industry?
    kitkat
    8th Jun 2020
    2:03pm
    Totally agree Patti.
    Aussie
    8th Jun 2020
    2:34pm
    Totally agreed all borders closed for sure at least for another 30 days to ensure that after
    all the protest around all cities ....... also including the international for those stupid people protesting around the world especially the USA people that has the biggest infections in the world and they will bring the infection to us because if we open and almost guarantee we will be flatted with foreign people and be infected again like what happen with the Princess cruises ...... KEEP THEM CLOSE FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS ..... LETS BE SMART AND SAFE – LOOK WHAT HAPEND IN THAILAND …ALL BODERS CLOSED INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL SINCE MARCH AND ZERO ZERO INFECTIONS ALMOST EVERY DAY ….. THE MAX COUNT HAS BEEN 3 NEW CASES IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS ….COMPARE WITH US AND OTHER COUNTRIES …..THEY ARE DOING GREAT SAME AS US…..
    Keep the good work and lets be clean and safe
    Pass the Ductape
    8th Jun 2020
    3:29pm
    Complete waste of time when you see what's happened in connection with the racial thing.
    LK
    8th Jun 2020
    3:39pm
    Of course we need to keep the borders closed. Australia's recent cases have been people who have returned from overseas, and the only reason we have had such a low number of Covid-19 cases is that we closed the borders quickly. We can't ignore the risk of opening our borders to other countries where the pandemic is so much worse. You can't put business before lives!
    Farside
    10th Jun 2020
    3:01pm
    so close the borders until coid is consigned to history? What if it never goes away and no vaccine is available?
    robin hood
    8th Jun 2020
    3:40pm
    And notice the 2 states which want the borders open ..the 2 with more active cases than the rest of the states .why should we risk letting them in and causing our infection rate to go up ..i say not yet ..after all there are 5 states that agree with Queensland
    tango18
    8th Jun 2020
    4:58pm
    The vast majority of re-patriation flights came into Sydney and Melbourne. If they had been spread equally amongst all the capital cities, I am sure the spread of infection would have been more equal too. I agree with tight international border controls, as most infections have come in from overseas, but don't really agree with intra-state border closures.
    Frankly
    8th Jun 2020
    4:02pm
    Don't agree, the disruption to life is too big a price to pay. I believe this virus will spread anyway, there is no way around it, unless we keep borders closed forever. Remember we had SARS in the past and other flu viruses, they become less virulent over time and the population will eventually get immunity.
    moama jock
    8th Jun 2020
    4:19pm
    Yes could not agree more although all state borders should be opened by mid July providing there are no future outbreaks in the meantime.Similarly New Zealand flights should be opened up at the same time as their health results are on a par with ours if not better.NZ is a CLEAN country.
    TOR888
    8th Jun 2020
    4:52pm
    I agree that we keep the border closed from Queenslanders entering NSW permanently. We don’t need their ridiculous racist comments and the likes of ON morons corrupting our political system..
    grandpa Dave
    8th Jun 2020
    5:21pm
    TOR888 has the right idea. Keep Queenslanders from going to the State of Sydney as they realise that the only good thing about NSW is that it keeps Victoria further away. QLD state borders should be opened to NT and SA only at this stage.
    Mikko
    8th Jun 2020
    5:28pm
    If there is no spike after the weekend's crazy Covid flaunting protests ignoring any concept of social distancing and permitted gatherings, then there's no need to keep state borders closed.... and a senior Australian anaesthetics specialist says the lockdown "absolutely wasn't necessary" and "governments don't like admitting mistakes" (his words, not mine, from Sky News Outsiders yesterday)
    https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/1163982027295169
    KSS
    8th Jun 2020
    7:03pm
    The problem is Mikko, when interventions are successful, nothing happens which is exactly the point. We are in the position we are in here in Australia BECAUSE of the interventions and shut down. Just look at UK, USA, Italy and even Sweden who were NOT successful if you want to know what could have easily happened here. Mr Morrison copped a great deal of flak when he closed borders to China but turns out he was right!
    Thoughtful
    8th Jun 2020
    10:48pm
    I have been greatly in favour of the borders remaining closed but at this stage, provided we do not see a huge spike after the weekend's events, it is time to open up. The economy needs it ( although I fear it will take a great deal more than opening borders to help ) and the rules are being flaunted at this stage anyway. People are traveling by road.
    National border closures would seem to be the major reason we dodged a bullet and presumably taking it to a state level was behind ideology for closing state borders. Certainly it makes contact tracing easier - but then so does the app. I am surprised the states have not made opening borders dependent on the number of CovidSafe downloads.
    Misty
    12th Jun 2020
    12:11am
    Mikko who in their right mind takes any notice of Sky News Outsiders programm?.
    Willfish
    8th Jun 2020
    6:04pm
    I agree with keeping the state borders closed until we have the virus under much better control. I live in a tourist town in NSW that was inundated by tourists from Canberra and Sydney over the weekend. I will avoid going into town for a week or more hopefully until any virus risk is reduced. I feel sorry for all the businesses negatively impacted by the social restrictions and border closures, and in my retirement I hate having to avoid travelling, but my health comes first.
    mike
    8th Jun 2020
    6:08pm
    After the sickening mass demonstrations, where selfish idiots marched arm in arm, screaming and yelling and spewing out the coronavirus, which can remain airborn for over an hour. And for the elderly and with underlying medical conditions, it is a DEATH SENTENCE, plus there is the possibility of younger people getting long term organ damage later in life. Borders now need to be closed for at least an extra month.
    KSS
    8th Jun 2020
    6:36pm
    Well Mr Fisher may have a point but he also needs to be better informed about the 'Eastern States'. Almost all cases in NSW were brought in on planes and cruise ships (yes including those residents of other states who transited through Sydney) or close contacts of them. There has been very little community transmission and none detected for the past 9 days. Active cases remain in those Australians returning from overseas.

    Let's not play one state against another. As a Federation, each state and territory makes its own decisions on state/territory decisions. So be it.
    Chris B T
    9th Jun 2020
    9:37am
    The Borders are closed between some States/Territory and Australia.
    Then within Those States That have Borders Closed Freedom of Movement and Numbers are not UNRESTRICTED. Until Total Freedom of Movement and Unrestricted Numbers example 18 klms of beach only 20 Camp sites Allowed and Isolated Areas in the main, Day Visits Only no Over Night staying.
    I agree whole hardheartedly Australian Borders to be Closed, maybe NZ/South Pacific Islands if THEY ONLY HAVE OZ/NZ Travellers.
    We should Know within 2 to 3 weeks how well the community did with COVID-19 after past events.
    No community Spread of COVID-19 no reason for closed State/Territory Borders and Freedom of Movement and no Restrictions.
    fish head
    9th Jun 2020
    4:55pm
    It occurred to me watching the TV presentations of the protest last weekend how stupid/selfish some people are.We have endured uncomfortable conditions over the last few weeks to keep people healthy and alive only to have all the effort put at risk. I then had an uncomfortable thought - how many at those rallies were of Aboriginal or Torres Strait extraction - one of the most vulnerable groups we were told. We don't know a lot about this miserable virus but have discovered that age or gender makes no difference to it. No one is bulletproof. No one can argue that the cause is not just but the method at this time is beyond dangerously insane.Now I pray for a miracle.
    Pass the Ductape
    11th Jun 2020
    11:37am
    And just who do I sue if by chance I catch the COVID 19 virus and I suffer severe illness after inadvertently coming into contact with anyone who attended any of the Black Lives matter rallies? The Governments who let these mis-guided protests go ahead; the judge who overturned the injections to stop the protests proceeding - or the the organisers of the protests themselves? Because to me - my life matters too!
    Farside
    11th Jun 2020
    1:48pm
    Ductape, why do you think you can sue someone for catching covid without proving cause and then intent? The guy who tested positive after the Melbourne protest was presymptomatic so did not know. Either way suing someone won't make you feel any better but at least you stayed away to keep safe ... for now.

    What would you have had the Governments do to prevent the protests, they clearly instructed people not to go. The NSW Supreme Court ruled it lawful. What should they have done when the protests took place?
    Ren
    11th Jun 2020
    11:16am
    Is travelling interstate so vital that we would endanger the vulnerable in our society. Have we really become so selfish that we would put our whims and wishes above the safety/lives of our fellow Australians? The Qld tourism industry should be getting some relief with the intrastate travel restrictions being lifted. Not enough I'm sure, but some relief. It is sad but becoming more apparent that we no longer live in a Society. We live in an Economy.
    Farside
    11th Jun 2020
    1:55pm
    We do live in an economy, and as a society we put a price on life and we take risks with that in mind - 1200 killed on roads, 3000 killed in falls, 3000 flu and so on. What is the risk to an elderly person with comorbidities and what is the value put on that life? A billion dollars? $500M? $100M dollars?
    Chris B T
    12th Jun 2020
    10:02am
    You certainly Don't Live In QLD as There is Still Prohibitive Restrictions In Place.
    Travel anywhere But Limited Places To Stay eg: 18klm of beach only 20 camp sites out of hundreds available, caravan parks restricted on numbers.(that is just 1 place of Many)
    Pubs,Clubs,Restaurants,Bars etc all Restricted Numbers.
    NT is the only Place with Freedom other than "Vulnerable Communities".
    Border towns rely on cross border trade and living requirements.
    Churches,Weddings,Funerals,Christenings etc limited numbers. Some people go to special places but accommodation/functions are restricted to numbers allowed. "Road trip" in and out.
    ekbg2002
    13th Jun 2020
    9:43am
    Sadly for many people their pre covid life is the same as covid restrictions.
    People with dementia, chronic illness, lowered mmunity because of various health problems - and their carers - before covid wouldn't go out as someone sneezing or coughing could pass an infection onto them which could inadvertently turn nasty, even into death.
    Their lives haven't changed, and when the world opens up again, people will travel, work, shop, and will forget social distancing, forget to cover their mouth when coughing etc.
    Spare a thought for these people who will remain in isolation because of health reasons (ones I'm aware of are not self induced) and take the lessons learnt with you wherever you go, and maybe reach out in form of letters, postcards or a wave if you know of someone in this situation.This is their normal, maybe for years. Be thankful for good health, good food you can eat, and family.
    mike
    13th Jun 2020
    11:51am
    Since the selfishness and stupidity of the sickening demonstrators, one black woman was screaming on TV that her point if view was more important than peoples lives. Damn the black movement. Also its all lies, most black deaths are caused by black violence within their own communities. Also for the elderly and those with medical conditions its a death sentence. Also long term organ damage for others. So after these sickening black demonstrations NEED TO KEEP THE BORDERS CLOSED AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH..


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