Climate change not on death certificates but should be, say experts

Climate change is a killer, but we don’t acknowledge it on death certificates.

doctor writing a death certificate while standing over a dead body

Heat-related deaths have been so prevalent of late that health experts are calling for the root cause – climate change – to be added to death certificates as a cause of death.

Heat-related deaths have been “substantially underreported” on national records, say Australian National University (ANU) researchers, who claim the number of deaths attributed to excessive natural heat is at least 50 times more than recorded on death certificates. 

In the past 11 years, 340 deaths in Australia were recorded as being due to excessive heat but further analysis found 36,765 deaths could have been attributed to heat. 

“Climate change is a killer, but we don’t acknowledge it on death certificates,” said study co-author Dr Arnagretta Hunter.

“There is a second component on a death certificate which allows for pre-existing conditions and other factors.

“If you have an asthma attack and die during heavy smoke exposure from bushfires, the death certificate should include that information.

“We can make a diagnosis of disease like coronavirus, but we are less literate in environmental determinants like hot weather or bushfire smoke.”

The research published in The Lancet Planetary Health suggests Australia’s national heat-related mortality rate is around 2 per cent.

“Climate change is the single greatest health threat that we face globally even after we recover from coronavirus,” said Dr Hunter. 

“We are successfully tracking deaths from coronavirus, but we also need healthcare workers and systems to acknowledge the relationship between our health and our environment.

“In Australia heat is the most dominant risk posed from climate change.”

The analysis has prompted calls for death certification to be modernised to reflect the impact of large-scale environmental events.

“We know the summer bushfires were a consequence of extraordinary heat and drought and people who died during the bushfires were not just those fighting fires – many Australians had early deaths due to smoke exposure,” said Dr Hunter.

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    Pilly
    22nd May 2020
    10:15am
    Climate change as a cause of death?? I’d like to see you PROVE THAT! Utterly ridiculous
    Razor
    22nd May 2020
    10:23am
    Couldn't agree more Pilly. This is an absolute joke.
    Koj
    22nd May 2020
    10:45am
    ridiculous indeed! but they should be including the deaths from a broken head after falling off the edge of the the flat earth.
    just sayin
    Winston Smith
    22nd May 2020
    1:37pm
    It's proven!! Did you people ignore all the scientists on COVID-19 as well?
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    10:30am
    It may be 'utterly ridiculous' that you can't prove that the sun will come up tomorrow morning but it is much easier to find that when people die of a heat related physical body failure, and that is recorded as happening much more frequently during extreme higher temperature events, - which has now being found and the knowledge base and temperature measurement technology is now easily available to prove it, you should withdraw your 'utterly ridiculous' assertion and just leave it to tomorrow's sunrise.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    10:33am
    And you won't bet on the sun not coming up either, so where does that leave you?
    Anonymous
    22nd May 2020
    10:49am
    So how do you explain all the heat related deaths in the early 1900s?
    Hasbeen
    23rd May 2020
    12:35am
    Utter garbage Lookfar, it is the cold months that kill, & account for many multiples of the death rate in the hot months.

    I spent years living close to the equator without a problem, & with tonight's cold, I wish I was still there.
    john
    23rd May 2020
    2:15pm
    Well Lookfar you are sounding like Elmar Fudd with the axe, and Bugs Bunny.
    when Bugs said,
    "lets not start splittin hares' Doc"
    john
    23rd May 2020
    2:52pm
    Lookfar , your mention of the ABC one of the most biased and terrible story twisting public national radio I have ever listened to or watched has placed you where I figured, the ABC is a propaganda machine and needs investigating and changing into an operation that has to answer to someone, at the moment it doesn't, we pay for it, they are a disgrace, and myself I watch it all, both ends because I don't believe lies from anyone, but the ABC is ten times worse in it's own biased ways than other news media, who are centre left or centre right, The ABC ( public radio btw) is a product and pusher of the likes of GetUp and ALP, of which I was once too .
    Not for a few years now, but gee my bulldust antenna goes shooting up like My favorite Martian when the bulldust starts flYing. And the left have perfected fascist propagandering dressed like a lamb!

    22nd May 2020
    10:48am
    ROFL

    We should all be dead then as climate change is the only reason we exist.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    11:23am
    Retiring Well, you should know better than to spout American propaganda on this site, we all know that before there was oxygen in the atmosphere we couldn't exist, so the wee algae to split methane, carbon dioxide, etc. initiated a major climate change, - which eventually allowed us to exist and correspondingly, there are many different ways climate can change which will stop us existing.

    To quote the Britannica, Mild or moderate states of fever (up to 105 °F [40.55 °C]) cause weakness or exhaustion but are not in themselves a serious threat to health. More serious fevers, in which body temperature rises to 108 °F (42.22 °C) or more, can result in convulsions and death.

    So what do you think has been happening when temperature records have been breaking all over inland Australia, and temperature records are going over 43 degrees?
    Not everyone can afford an air conditioner, nor to run one on expensive coal fired power, so, more deaths.
    Note these temperatures are internal temperatures, - core temperatures, within the human body.

    One point is that temperatures over 42 degrees can cause brain damage, so people so damaged may then do something fatally stupid, - that should be ascribed to high temperatures also.
    Anonymous
    22nd May 2020
    11:40am
    Temperatures have been a lot higher in the past than they were over inland Australia last summer. You have had the wool pulled over your eyes on that one. 42 degrees is a mild temperature in terms of what has happened in the past. Temperature was regularly in the 40s when I was a kid and it didn't worry us at all.
    Sceptic
    22nd May 2020
    12:09pm
    Lookfar air temperature does not equal body temperature. According to your reckoning when the air temp is 32 F the body is too? Ridiculous.
    Winston Smith
    22nd May 2020
    1:40pm
    Retiring Well - You are talking Liberal Party/Coal industry nonsense. Anthropogenic climate change and global warming is proven. Did you ignore the scientific experts on COVID-19 as well?
    Knight Templar
    22nd May 2020
    4:39pm
    Lookfar. There is no climate emergency. There is no evidence that the climate today is other than natural variability. The United States experienced its hottest recorded decade in the 1930s.

    The Eastern coast of Australia suffered from a savage heatwave in 1896. Temperatures in several NSW locations were in excess of 48 degrees Celsius for 3 consecutive days and above 38 degrees Celsius for slightly over 3 weeks. Overnight temperatures did not drop below 30 degrees Celsius. The official death toll from the savage heat wave was 437. Marble Bar in Western Australia, set a world record for the most consecutive days of or above 37.8 degrees Celsius (100 Fahrenheit) during a period of 160 days from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924.

    These extreme long term heatwaves have never been repeated.
    Anonymous
    27th May 2020
    3:42pm
    I have no fear of either misnamed climate change (still don't know what they are on about) or Covid-19. I can live happily with both.
    Winston Smith
    27th May 2020
    3:57pm
    Retiring Well - How come you know better than the world's best climatologists?
    lefty
    22nd May 2020
    11:11am
    What a load of piffle.
    It has been hotter than recently many many times.
    If this group have nothing better to do they should disband and find something useful to do.
    If they are funded, remove the funding.
    Does this mean we would have lived to over 200 if we were born in the Ice Age?
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    11:26am
    Maybe time lefty for you to study logic for a while, particularly the meaning of cause and effect.
    Winston Smith
    22nd May 2020
    1:41pm
    lefty - The science is in, and you are simply wrong.
    patti
    22nd May 2020
    11:15am
    I have known of instances where people have died from normal causes associated with being elderly for example, but the cause has been listed as Covid 19. I have to wonder if the statistics are being skewed just a bit??
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    11:29am
    Yes Patti, that was the point of the article, in particular he paragraph, " In the past 11 years, 340 deaths in Australia were recorded as being due to excessive heat but further analysis found 36,765 deaths could have been attributed to heat. "
    Anonymous
    22nd May 2020
    11:42am
    I agree many people die of something else than Covid-19 or the heat but what better way to sensationalise something than use it as a cause of death. If you are heaty your chance of dying from the heat is minimal just like it is with Covid-19. I have no fear of dying from either myself.
    Maggie
    22nd May 2020
    11:50am
    That is certainly very interesting Patti.
    Please can you tell us how many people you knew, whose deaths were attributed to the virus, and where they died e.g in or out of hospital.
    It's always good for us to have the facts straight.
    Sceptic
    22nd May 2020
    12:17pm
    A lack of understanding of death certificate, "cause of death" notation it seems. Primary and secondary causes are listed, and similar to AIDS the primary cause may be pneumonia with a contributing cause AIDS, or in the current situation COVID-19. Because the primary cause was the pneumonia, it is still correct to list the secondary cause as AIDS related or, as COVID-19 related. However, it would be completely wrong to list a death as climate change related, it could be excessive heat or excessive cold as a contributing cause. To list climate change is as silly as listing that the cause was the sun rose.
    Horace Cope
    22nd May 2020
    11:19am
    This theory would carry more weight if it was promulgated by someone whose whole life was devoted to medicine and the care of people. It is noted that Dr Hunter is also a researcher with three groups all of which are devoted to climate. What is it that keeps researchers involved in their work? Yes, money, grants from governments, grants from private donors and grants from commercial enterprises. Methinks that personal interest has played a big part in this theory. I note as well that the number of deaths in winter caused by the cold weather and associated viruses far exceeds the number of deaths caused by heat in summer.

    We have asthmatics in our family and the trigger can be smoke but there is also a high number of other triggers that can bring on an attack. To suggest that smoke is the sole cause of an asthma attack is not supported by medical proof. I might also add that the authorities, including the one-eyed IPCC, declared that our recent bushfires were not attributable to climate change.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    11:52am
    Horace, the argument that a researcher can be suspected because he is funded grows stronger the closer the funding is to the meat of the conclusion, - which is why pharmaceutical company researchers who find there are no side effects from the latest wonder drug their company puts on the market are the least to be believed.
    Leon Bosca is not in that category, besides, it is just common sense and logic, if the human body fails from excessive heat and, as undisputable measurements prove is the case, the earth is getting hotter and hotter, it is not about if the heat will kill you but when, who could possibly argue with that?
    That people can die from cold does not prove that they can't die from heat, or bullets or anything else fatal, - it reminds me of a recent joke from America, - ' If you are confronted with a slew of aggressive bears, it will not help to point out to them that more people die from car accidents than bears, - indeed your energies may be better utilised getting social distancing.

    That any specific climate event can be directly proven to be caused by climate change is usually the case, but it is extremely likely that a hotter Australia, - the which we definitely have, will usually mean a drier Australia, the which we also had at the bushfire season.
    Bushfires are relatively simple beings, all they need is heat, oxygen, and fuel.
    Raising the heat lowers the humidity, which increases the availability of fuel and heat.
    These days, enough is known to measure the heat of our planet, - and it is definitely getting hotter, bit by bit, - not all at once, you can still get cold situations, and even extreme situations, but bit by bit it is getting hotter, - that is just reality and it would be childish to deny it.
    Gibbo
    22nd May 2020
    11:34am
    This is why I ignore opinions from so called university experts
    Anonymous
    22nd May 2020
    11:44am
    Just remember uni experts have to come up with something to justify their studies. That's why one ignores their opinion on everything.
    Winston Smith
    22nd May 2020
    1:42pm
    Did you ignore all the experts on COVID-19?
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    3:25pm
    Gibbo, it's called Envy.
    Anonymous
    27th May 2020
    3:43pm
    Covid-19 is nothing but a mild cold at best. Most don't even know they have it.

    22nd May 2020
    11:47am
    Just remember things are not good because they don't work but because no one can make money out of them.

    I wonder what this so called expert has in mind to profit from this. I'm thinking to get another grant to pay for more research so they don't have to get a real job.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    12:01pm
    The Problem is, Retiring Well, that the extremely small number of extremely rich people are making not just unbelievable amounts of money but wielding enormous power from it so they don't want any change to the status quo, and believe anyway that their money will save them whatever happens, - talk of giving a baby a loaded gun!!

    Have you ever wondered why it was said that a rich man has less chance of getting to heaven than a camel passing through the eye of a needle ? - Think about it, Please.
    Winston Smith
    22nd May 2020
    1:44pm
    The climatologists who have proven anthropogenic climate change is occurring mostly work for government bodies. That's certainly the case in Australia. They get no special payments for explaining the facts they have found. In fact, it goes against the Liberal Party's dogma.

    You are simply wrong.
    notelle
    22nd May 2020
    11:52am
    They sure are Patti. I personally know of a case where the person gave up smoking 30 yrs before his death - but then 25 yrs later developed bowel & liver cancer. This was treated with chemo etc, which resulted in 4 minor and 1 fatal heart attack. Imagine my surprise when I saw his death certificate and it said that the cause of his death was emphysema caused by smoking !
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    12:17pm
    Notelle, emphysema caused by smoking usually does not go away.

    My ex has emphysema from smoking and it is uncurable, - she stopped smoking 30 years ago, but still has to lie face lower then chest to get the stuff out, - we are all very worried as she is in an old folks home with Dementia, so likely to go wandering and if she comes across somebody with Covid-19 and catches it she will die.
    Again the death certificate will probably attribute the likely cause of death to be the Emphysema. as in most cases Covid-19 doesn't kill you, - in fact it is not in the interest of Covid-19 to kill you as then you could not spread it any further.
    That is what happened to the original SARS virus.
    Ronin
    22nd May 2020
    12:08pm
    Sounds like a lot of BS to me! God save us from these ‘woke idiots.
    micky d.
    22nd May 2020
    12:18pm
    Much disputation as to what should be recorded as the cause of death. I can think of absolutely nothing more natural than the effects of temperature rise - or drop, be it internal or external to the body. Both will kill.
    Why the concern to record something so totally of non-value or benefit to the deceased, their family nor posterity.
    Dead is dead!!
    The season, winter or summer will still be there the following day.
    Bellbird
    22nd May 2020
    12:37pm
    This country saved thousands of lives by acting promptly at the advice of mainstream scientists when threatened by CV-19. Look at our mortality rate of 4 per million versus the US at 28 per million and rising. If we had followed the Trump type science deniers, our hospitals would have been overwhelmed. So what is different when mainstream climate scientists and public health experts in the effects of climate speak up about mortality from global heating? Things have gone badly wrong when armchair experts whose total scientific knowledge is clips from Sky News and other tinfoil hat sources trash the opinions of scientists who might have spent 20+ years of full time work in their field. The accusations of bias, imagining that climate scientists are somehow rolling in cash from research funds is patent nonsense, and shows the extreme level of ignorance by the deniers of how research is conducted. Most probably have never crossed the door of a tertiary institution.
    Mootnell
    22nd May 2020
    1:46pm
    You are joking, surely? Morrison was dragged kicking and screaming to that decision, it’s the premiers who forced his hand. Who in their right thinking finally shuts down plane travel but conveniently omits sanctions on the one boat that should have been stopped. Honestly I know whose been watching to much telly here.
    pedro the swift
    22nd May 2020
    12:37pm
    too silly for words!
    adbob
    22nd May 2020
    1:12pm
    This really takes the biscuit.

    Since the pre-Xmas heatwave (wich was pretty mild by Adelaide standards)
    we have had a mild summer and an early break to the season here in SA.

    If did raise a variation to the old question: where do flies go in winter?
    Where do climate alarmists go in mild seasons?

    Now we know - they meet and dream up even wilder and more fanciful
    scare stories - all their previous predictions having failed - except
    that we all know to expect a mild increase in average temperatures
    since we are still emerging from the little ice age of about 500 years ago.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    3:35pm
    Some years are this way adbob, some are that way, - the only way to know is to keep your eye on the moving average, otherwise all your 'evidence' is anecdotal, and therefore in-admissable.

    btw the little ice age only affected a small part of the earth, it was a storm in a teacup, and has no relevance to the modern day, nor then.
    Sorry to puncture your dreams.
    Gra
    22nd May 2020
    1:16pm
    What utter rubbish. extreme temperatures have been happening for centuries. Climate Change is a myth perpetuated by people wanting to make money out of their claims.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    3:21pm
    Gra, would you care to provide evidence for such a statement, - eg all the measuring equipment all over the world is wrong, all the ordinary people doing the measuring are under the control of some deep space monsters, some specific statement that can be checked out?

    Otherwise you are just making baseless assertions, - meaningless mouthings lots of volume amounting to nothing.

    I knew a guy called Gra, from Kuranda years ago, but if you are he you have gone a long way down, I just hope you are not him.
    john
    23rd May 2020
    2:42pm
    I agree Gra ,, I think climate is a political point scoring football. Lookfar mentions measutrinmg all over the world, have a look at Professor Ridd kicked out of Bond Uni in QLD, because his properly checked tests on other scientists ideas and theories, and found they were not peer reviewed anmd were in some cases totally diferent or not founded, don't ask details I just know what I saw when he was interviewed and also won his court case that says something,
    So don't ever bring up world wide agreed upon panic ridden statistics that are sometimes total bulldust for a political driven ideal or just " maybe" styled theory.

    As for measuring thousands of square MILES of oceans WORLD WIDE and say its heating up all over or islands are sinking when they are not, some even gaining more land, PEOPLE WHO MAKE STUDIES THAT ARE THEORIES SHOULD NEVER EVER BE INFLUENCED BY OTHER POWERS AROUND THEM, DISPUTED THEORIES IS WHAT SCIENCE IS.

    And climate change and fossil fuel burning is indeed a disputed science theory, even measuring temperature over 10 years in an area of coastline one k out then twenty ks out and getting temperatures that will all be differwent how the hell does a temperature theory be taken as absolute , when they haven't measured the sea, 500 ks out, or on the other side of the world. Look logic doesn't fit , science can only do its best and exchange notes, that is all!
    And to lay a whole plan of changing human existence back wards because you "THINK THAT YOUR STUDIES ARE PERFECT" are as stupid as putting climate change the cause of death, put it on your birth certificate too. Really folks????????
    BTM
    22nd May 2020
    1:32pm
    How is the world going to be any better or worse off because of what is recorded on a death certificate? And just how are the deaths from Covid 19 being recorded, bet its different in every country!
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    3:37pm
    Look on the ABC site BTM, all your queries answered fully.
    Mootnell
    22nd May 2020
    1:40pm
    How utterly ridiculous, People have always died in extremes of weather. I really to despair at the utter stupidity people are demonstrating. It’s like watching a race to the bottom of the bucket.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    3:23pm
    No facts Mootnell? none? why bother opening your mouth?
    Winston Smith
    22nd May 2020
    1:46pm
    A lot of rusted on Lib lovers here, loyally repeating party dogma, and ignoring the experts, just as they no doubt did with COVID-19.
    KSS
    22nd May 2020
    4:09pm
    This is quite ridiculous and a thinly disguised attempt by a climate change activist to push their own agenda. About 20 times the number die as a result of the effects of cold than heat. Back in your boxes.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    6:04pm
    Kss, that is a specious argument, the percentage of whatever death is not the point, but that more people than ever before, are dying from heat because their household temperature is too high for them to live is a new statistic, - and it is a strong warning to the rest of us that Global Warming is Happening and it will be eventually Fatal.

    Boxes won't help you, only clear thinking can help all of us, - why not give it a go?
    Knight Templar
    22nd May 2020
    4:49pm
    World wide, more people die from cold than from heat. That is a fact.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    6:12pm
    But it is totally irrelevant, so why even mention it?
    Do you want to hide the real problem from us?

    As your attitude is based on false information you have been fed, you are causing misery for millions, -
    but now you know better, will you forswear the evil people who have lied to you?
    Hairy
    22nd May 2020
    7:32pm
    People also die at home because they cant bloody afford to run air cons.Simple as that .
    cali
    22nd May 2020
    7:48pm
    In Australia our climate has not changed.
    Our climate has been very consistent for the past century and the four seasons of summer, autumn, winter and spring still continue.
    People die for many reasons and to try and link climate to the causes is a fake story.
    The academics who are doing so will fail with their contrived storyline.
    Lookfar
    22nd May 2020
    8:33pm
    cali, you can't get away with blatant assertions like 'Our Climate has been consistent' unless you can prove it with charts and tables and facts and figures.
    Seeing you have not provided those you can't make your further claims as they are based on nothing.

    People die for a reason, each person is a separate human, somebody that dies because they fell asleep at the wheel and drifted into a head on with an oncoming road train did not die of pneumonia, so people who die from high temperatures due to Climate change do not die from head ons with speeding metal.
    4 seasons in North Australia are debatable, - estimates vary from two to fourteen, - are you able to prove you are an Australian?

    Your dissing of anybody trying to mitigate Climate change is contemptible, you are sucking up to the super rich and totally deluding your self, and betraying us real people, - academics can be part of us as well.
    Winston Smith
    23rd May 2020
    1:10pm
    cali - you are simply wrong about Australia's climate. Can't you accept the figures produced by climatologists employed by the federal Liberal government at CSIRO and the BOM?
    knowall
    22nd May 2020
    10:55pm
    what a joke the sun has been rising long before we were even thought of and they call themselves experts.next they will tell us the earth is flat.
    Lookfar
    11th Jul 2020
    3:11pm
    Distorted and false logical chain, recommended re-boot.
    Carol Christopher
    23rd May 2020
    3:38am
    Here we go again, the climate change alarmists are at it. They want to be relevant, and now that Australia is relaxing restrictions, they are ramping up their presence again. They like shouting down people who question the economic cost to citizens and government, yet are are the first to whinge about government dole or pensions.

    Most of these idiots in the ACT, similar to some people commenting below are like chartering monkeys banging on empty vessels. They berate Australia for its 1.3 percent emissions, yet do nothing about the country producing 28 percent of emissions. They block Australian city streets, but never protested outside the Chinese embassy in Canberra.

    Now due to the second pandemic that China has spread to the world in 17 years, are these alarmists going to blame Australia again - its farmers, its manufacturing, its coal power stations, while buying overseas made Chinese crap, with high travel miles and slave labour.

    Are alarmists still driving their cars everywhere, talk but don't volunteer in nature related tasks, and blame right wing media, but their left wing media like the ABC are blameless.
    Winston Smith
    23rd May 2020
    1:09pm
    Pointless comment. Full of insults, false assumptions, but no facts.
    SuziJ
    23rd May 2020
    9:39am
    All death is the ultimate cessation of the heart beat. Why do you need any other reason than 'heart failure'?
    Winston Smith
    23rd May 2020
    1:07pm
    Actually, in most places today a person with working heart and lungs determined to be brain dead can be pronounced legally dead.
    micky d.
    23rd May 2020
    2:04pm
    Strange arrangement.
    A brain-dead person still has to be killed. The heart must be stopped before one can consider the patient to be a body to be disposed of.
    Essentially, Suzi, your statement is correct.
    Your question, however, may be open to other considerations.
    Winston Smith
    23rd May 2020
    2:32pm
    micky d. - Those situations most commonly occur in patients being kept alive on life support after serious brain injury. All that happens is that the life support is turned off.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2020
    7:38pm
    Couldn't resist adding this oldy from american Court records, =

    ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy,
    did you check for a pulse?
    WITNESS: No.
    ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
    WITNESS: No.
    ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
    WITNESS: No.
    ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was
    alive when you began the autopsy?
    WITNESS: No.
    ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
    WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a
    jar.
    ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been
    alive, nevertheless?
    WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been
    alive and practicing law
    john
    23rd May 2020
    2:10pm
    Climate change created the opportunity for Homo sapiens to move into the Americas, where they went about evolving and destroying all the megafauna, but there is only one to blame for it, that is nature.
    It was Climate change that moved indigenous Australians across waters to Australia, where the mega fauna was systematically wiped out of existance, the human being of the modern era from 70 or 100 thousand years ago became the most dangerous animal mother nature has ever produced. But nature DID produced us.
    Now we have to try to do what nature wants us to do, and that is stop polluting the oceans seas rivers bushlands jungles plains mountains even, every water way we need a solution to filth, not a solution to burning fossil fuels, as you see that climate change has mother nature as its starter and finisher, not humans they are a product of nature that has created a very good world to live in, in all relevant terms AND, nothing is perfect.
    But natures fossil fuels gave us that, because it gave us power energy , to invent and progress.
    Now that we are in a modern era I guess for most, we need to look at how we handle wildlife and all wild life, oceans and land. We do that by not leaving garbage around everywhere!
    Our 7 to 8 billion populations garbage! We have to do it better.

    Nature also showed us how to live more comfortably, and that is what we did, with our bigger brain.
    But with our bigger brain, we also fouled some of our planet, not with carbon emissions, but with filth , with nothing much to do with climate change.

    For instance fossil fuel burning has been around 2 to 3 hundred years, climate change has created human movement, for the 2 million years homo cro magnon types and neanderthals' and homo Erectus other human species, that homo sapien removed one way or the other.
    That movement of the most successful human species (the only human species left) created the extinction of so many of the worlds creatures.
    So climate change has been here forever, coal gas and oil did not or does not slow it speed it or anything.
    The planet is so big and humans can't grasp that, and our water stays here on earth, where ever it goes after evaporation, it only moves it doesn't leave, so if we are not already in the warmest quietest part of this planets history, I simply don't believe that we'll be flooded because we burn coal, we can only flood as much as what is on earth, the ice glaciers melting well, they have, a few times?
    Well the ice ages came and went and humans survived, as we will, we are all bound for extinction that is how nature works and one day in the very far future we will no longer exist at all, anything, because, the sun will be gone, and taken us with it.

    Enjoy the world and remember we can do better, much better, but going backwards isn't a smart move, and wanting climate change put on every death certificate, because of a political stance on this over politicised subject, it's ridiculous.

    What about adding climate change to birth certificates too. The climate of our planet rules us, through nature, what happens, happens because of the phenomenon of existance, what ever and where ever that came from.
    But we need to look after our wild life and sustain better than we do now, because we wiped out prehistoric mega wildlife, that was us, homo sapiens, volcanoes of the super variety or Asteroids or disease , or a different type of super predator at everything, before we came along, could have wiped out the dinasaurs, believe it we are in danger every second of every day, and if we lived under that paranoid fear we'd all be hiding under a table, if we had even invented a table.
    So climate change caused my birth and it created Sitting Bull's birth because if climate never ever changed, then Sitting Bull and no one like him could have travelled to be on the Americas continent full stop!, Nor would I have been able to be born where I was born!

    Far fetched outlandish??? No, what that all is,
    is plain logic!
    Winston Smith
    23rd May 2020
    2:34pm
    Nice essay, but irrelevant. You clearly don't appreciate the speed at which the climate is changing now, and that humans are causing it.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2020
    5:52pm
    Hi John, I liked your essay, liked the way you brought about your different points and respect you for (I suspect) being a decent person, with no malice or poison in your soul.

    What I would like to respectfully point out is that you need to (imho) consider some nuancing in some of your basic assumptions.

    Firstly, Climate Change, a description of Global Warming that moderates asked for because every Conservative American, would use that today was slightly cooler than yesterday to launch a fierce diatribe against this "Global Warming Bullshit", - never mind the reasoning was faulty, and facts totally ignored, the Media was told to support such crazy assertions.

    So we have two versions of 'Climate Change', one, a description of the changing of our planet through cosmic and geographical influences, - movement of the intercontinental plates, closeness or other of the sun to the earth, volcanic etc. eruptions, composition of the atmosphere resulting from these.
    Second a version tailored to talk to the extremists anti global Warming - educated by Oil industry think tanks.

    Then a further element enters, - Life came to the earth, - hard to explain how - some say it was a spiritual influence, some say it was the random, (not) of monkeys jumping up and down a piano and eventually playing Beethoven's 5th.
    Whatever, Life gradually spread over the earth and oceans and in incredible abundance, changing the very chemical composition of the water and the air, - for example, the atmosphere was filled with Hydrocarbons, Carbon compositions, tars, methane, etc, oxygen was locked up in these chemicals, then perhaps 60 million years ago, (some would add another naught to that), and the Atmosphere was gradually transformed to an Oxygen rich substance, the which could support Photo-Synthesis, upon which most of life on earth currently depends, - this totally transformed the Earth, - vast forests, possibly up to a kilometre high, covered the Earth, the sea even more so.

    This is the third element of Climate change and totally different to the first two.

    Somewhere in that incredible abundance, the coal and oil fossil fuels were laid down, - from Life, not from Geophysical phenomena, although no doubt it continued on it's inexorable mineral journey.

    These fossil fuels were the elements in the ancient atmosphere that precluded the joyousness of Life, - they had to go away so we could breathe, so they were buried deep in the Earth.

    Of course, if we now dig them up and throw all that material back into the atmosphere we will probably die, - which Climate Change are you talking about then?

    The thing is, that the super rich are earning money from what is happening now, they don't want that to stop, - despite more wealth than you or I could ever dream of, - or, from my place ever even want, they want more and more and more.

    This is adding a backward element into Climate change, removing the products of Life that had to be buried many kilometres deep in the ground in some cases, - it has nothing to do with the geographical Climate change, nor with the development of life on Earth, only the destruction of life on Earth.

    Those who insisted that Global Warming be replaced with the words Climate change knew exactly what they were doing, they were attempting to justify their continuing destruction of the Earth to keep being wealthy and powerful, - just as happened in ancient Rome, or far more ancient Sodom and Gomorrah, - What to do,? - give in to the ancient evil ? huge benefit to a tiny few with no morals whatever, or look at the whole human race, all capable of love, and compassion, leading to Love, and yearning for freedom, - The prerequisite to love.
    At the risk of being personal, I find the Teachings of Christ, - not the old testament, - repudiated by Christ himself, but only the uncontaminated New Testament, - you have to go through it, my personal answer.

    My belief is that behind the material is always the Spiritual, - the Scientific method is for us to understand that and work to understand it, we can understand the spiritual as readily as we understand the physical, I suspect that you have absorbed, - without realising, a materialist, non life supporting version of Climate Change, - by the rich, for the rich, for death.

    We are for life, all of us, to develop Freedom and Love, - dont let any materialists tell you other.
    adbob
    24th May 2020
    2:52am
    The rather large elephant in the room is the set of predictions made by climate arlarmists when that religion was first forming. We are now well into the period forecast and none of those predictions have proved to be true.

    Al Gore has of course remade his fortune on it in the meantime.

    Additionally, following, as ever, the money - back in those days anyone opposed to them was accused of being in the pay of big oil or big energy companies. Those companies are now heavily invested in so-called green energy and they are finding it much more profitable to slug the consumer for expensive pseudo-green energy than to go on producing abundant low-price energy by conventional means - they have also got governemnts and most of the media in bed with them.
    Winston Smith
    24th May 2020
    8:51am
    List the predictions made by real climatologists that haven't come true.
    Lookfar
    24th May 2020
    10:26am
    adBob, your whole argument falls over because of one mistake, - that you can't accept that Renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels, and it simple really, fossil fuels cost money to dig and package and transport, whereas the 'fuel' for Renewables is free.
    Do you think for a moment that the big businesses that now invest in Renewable energy had any choice?
    In America, despite all the perks and now allowed to pollute freely, coal is still twice the price of renewables, and this year it looks like coal will produce app. 5% of America's electrical energy.
    - How the mighty have fallen!

    If you take that reality into account you would have to throw your whole letter away, - sorry.
    Hairy
    26th May 2020
    11:29am
    Climate change and nature ,fauna ,has been killing people since we stood up on our hind legs.This is really a stupid Question.
    Lookfar
    26th May 2020
    2:51pm
    Hairy, Human being's destruction of nature is considerably more recent than just nature, - how can you be so blind?

    We Human beings nearly destroyed the Earth in the Lemurian period, - read of Sodom and Gomorrha, then in the Atlantean period, = Noah and the Ark,

    The Chinese Great Wall is viewable from space, the planet earth has changed it's temperature and colour quite recently, - there is no real meaning in the words Change always happens, it just means - 'let's just go back to sleep,'

    This attitude never worked way back when, why should it suddenly work Now?


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