Changes to the dole for over 50s

Those aged over 50 will have to undertake 15 hours per week of approved activities.

Changes to the dole for over 50s

The Federal Government has released its list of proposed changes to the Human Services (previously Centrelink) employment services system. Those aged over 50 will be required to undertake 15 hours per week of approved activities to receive Newstart Allowance. Those under 50 will be required to look for 40 jobs per month, as well as undertaking up to 25 hours per week of community service work.

In addition to these changes, new wage subsidies will be provided to encourage employers to hire mature age workers and the long-term unemployed.

There is concern these changes will create a system full of ‘box-ticking’ jobseekers – those who put in fake applications, or apply for jobs for which they are unqualified, just to meet the application quota. Employment Minister Eric Abetz has conceded that there is a real risk that ‘box-ticking’ could become a problem.

"What we're asking most of the job seekers to do is to seek a job of a morning and of an afternoon, and I think that is a reasonable request to make of our fellow Australians," Mr Abetz explained. He did, however, admit that there could be flaws to the new system. "We don't want red tape and inconvenience to employers but what we do want is a genuine attempt by the job seeker to obtain employment and with the help of a job service provider, we trust that that will assist them in redoubling their efforts to obtain employment."

More than 200,000 over 50s are currently receiving Newstart Allowance in Australia. The number of older Australians on unemployment payments has dramatically increased in the last four years. Greens Senator Rachel Siewart told theABC’s AM program, “We have had an increase since last year of 24,000, which is an increase since 2010 of 45 per cent … I would suggest that that's not just population increasing as our population ages – that there are some employment barriers there that older workers are facing and that they are not being able to re-engage with employment."

She also suggested that forcing over 50s to undertake 15 hours of approved activity each week would not help the job prospect of Australia’s older workers, unless the emphasis was put on accredited training. "A keep-busy program I don't think is what they need. I couldn't tell you how many reports I've had from older workers, who, when they go to their job service provider, are told 'no', then are refused access to training money and the programs," she said. "They want to retrain because service providers have been more focused on their young people they think they can get into the workforce more easily."

Read more on over 50s on the dole from the ABC News website

Read the current activity test requirements from Centrelink 

Opinion: Have they given up?

In some ways these proposed changes are an improvement for older Australians, as previously only those aged 55 and over were exempt from the more rigorous job application requirements. Now those as young as 50 need only undertake 15 hours of approved activity per week, which is what those aged over 55 were required to do all along under the current system. Does this, however, suggest that the Government doesn’t really expect over 50s to ever re-enter the workforce? The Government is increasing the Age Pension eligibility age with the message that older Australians need to work for longer. But for those receiving the dole, the message is that when you turn 50, you can slow down and stop looking for work to receive your payment. Under the old system this didn’t happen until you turned 55.

Is this because, in reality, the Government knows how much harder it is for older Australians to find work? That many employers are prejudiced against older workers, and that all the financial incentive in the world won’t change the fact that experience is so often passed over for youth?

In a recent interview, Michelle Obama spoke on the difficulties she faced in returning to work (before her husband was president of the USA), “If you want me to do the job, you’ve got to pay me, and you’ve got to give me flexibility. And giving me flexibility means I will work my tail off for you.” What she was talking about was the loyalty an older worker will offer an employer who treats them well. Older Australians understand the value of a good employer, one who understands that family commitments happen, who offers training and who treats you like a valued employee.

And to those employers who are afraid to hire older workers because of their age, I ask you to think about this; if you hire a 55-year-old, someone who has grown up with the concept of company loyalty, and you treat that person like a valued employee, you’ve got a worker who is likely to stay with you for the next 10 years until they retire. How many 25-year-olds do you know who will stay with the same company for even half that time?

What do you think? Are these changes to the dole a positive for older Australians? Or do you think it shows that the government has given up on older workers returning to the workforce?





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    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    9:27am
    How does someone look for 40 jobs per month, while at the same time , work 15 hours per week? I understand and agree with the intention, however, I think this government has gone a little too far on this.
    Tinkerbell
    29th Jul 2014
    12:25pm
    That was work 25 hours a week AND apply for 40 (non-existant) jobs. My how time flys when you are having fun (NOT).
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    1:02pm
    Has anyone ever applied for 40 jobs and remained unemployed? Is that possible?
    Tom Tank
    29th Jul 2014
    1:38pm
    Yes it certainly is possible speaking from personal experience. One of the destroying features when looking for work is the fact that employers seldom reply to the application.
    This requirement will in fact greatly increase the work load on small businesses with no corresponding increase in sales.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    2:20pm
    Don't be stupid Frank !!! What part of, There are NO Jobs, don't You Understand ??
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    2:31pm
    Tom Tank, I can't see that there will be any increased impost on small business. They don't answer now and they won't in future. All you have to do to prove you applied is give a copy of the application, notes about telephone calls/visits i.e. who you saw when and their contact details, to 'Centrelink' and you are good to go. They can and do conduct spot checks to see if you did apply. You might never be checked or you could be checked on every week!
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    3:25pm
    Historically Australia has always had roughly 5% unemployed. So what has changed in the labour market? There are more women in the workforce these days. In fact 45% of workers are female now, up from about 30% 50 years ago.
    There are also many foreigners in regional Australia on working visas as long term residents have migrated to high density population areas on the coast. I wonder what the demographics are for those looking for work?
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    5:15pm
    parti that's a bit of a harsh response to a simple question? Maybe you are looking for work and finding it tough? I don't know.
    I'm just saying that if a person has responded to 40 job applications and not landed a job then perhaps it's time to seriously take stock and see what it is that needs to be done differently? Maybe retraining for a career change? No point in still applying for a job as a jockey if you are now 95kg.
    If you are not travelling so well and finding it hard to show your best self at that next interview then just remember it's the same for people with jobs sometimes.
    If you believe there are no jobs then there are no jobs.
    However I know there are 11.5m jobs out there. But you stick to the NO JOBS mentality if it makes you feel good.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    5:36pm
    Not Me Son !! I'm nearly 70 and I've shovelled enough Coal in My life thanks !!..
    I live in a Country City of roughly 20,000 and in a Street of perhaps 20 houses , And about 2 of them go to work and The rest Support Toohey's Brewery and the local Drug Cartel !!.. I can just see them going for 40 jobs a Month !! I doubt 90% of them can even Spell Job !! Let alone front up for One ??..
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    9:48pm
    The system will be rorted just like all others before them. Labor introduced a work for the Dole system and people did not both showing up...and nothing happened. So why bother?
    The right way to make this system work is to employ case workers (costly) who have the ability to cut payments off. That way the rorts end quickly.
    But what has not been well covered is the fact that Australian jobs are not available because many have been sent overseas to cheaper jurisdicitions. And of course over 50s do not have a hope no matter how many jobs they apply for. The only way out for these people is to joing together and refuse to purchase goods and services from ANY business which practices age discrimination.
    This sounds like another Titanic and huge waste of money. Whatever changes in Australia?
    Tom Tank
    29th Jul 2014
    10:23pm
    Well KSS I am sure any business that has to spend time answering telephone calls or talking to unemployed people will certainly look upon that as an impost.
    This will particularly apply in those towns with limited employment opportunities but significant numbers on unemployed.
    Small business people are already making that fact clear.
    The problem is not the fault of the unemployed but simply that there are not the jobs for those who want them.
    It is also rather interesting that the government has just eased the requirements for foreign workers to come to this country under that special visa arrangement that is already being rorted by businesses.
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    3:21pm
    Apparently it only takes 9 minutes to apply for 40 jobs according to the Guardian.
    All I can say is , I hope the Guardian journos don't lose their job.
    Labor is now very concerned that businesses are going to have their time cut out sifting through job applications.
    My question is ... Where was all this concern for SME when the Unions were in government????
    MICK
    30th Jul 2014
    5:29pm
    Sounds a lot like more Abbott rhetoric. Its 5:30 pm Frank. Time to bundy off.
    particolor
    2nd Aug 2014
    6:04pm
    Time to meet Tinny Uboat at the Lodge !!
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2016
    2:05am
    How much does it cost to apply for 40 jobs per month? First, one has to buy newspapers or access the Internet or go to Centrelink to find ads. Then there's paper and printing to write letters, and stamps to mail them. Or bus or train fares to travel to business centres to go door-knocking. There is clothing to buy to present well at interviews.

    From the pittance the unemployed receive in ''income support'', I suspect many will struggle to cover these costs. Faced with a choice between applying for jobs and eating, and given the poor odds of an application succeeding, is it any wonder many just give up trying?
    TREBOR
    6th Dec 2016
    3:19pm
    What's changed?

    Why - the definition of 'unemployed' from genuinely unemployed meaning not in full-time work to Unemployed ™, as defined by ideologically driven and short-sighted government bent on its own self-enrichment rather than on service to the people and the nation.

    (draws breath - phew - that was a long one).....

    I wouldn't go out there, fellas - that Trebor machine gunner has real talent....
    Travellersjoy
    29th Jul 2014
    9:49am
    Employees are a cost point to business. They will employ as few as possible.

    Business is not in the business of job creation, it is in the business of job destruction to increase profits.

    The Murdoch media keep the focus on workers so everyone doesn't look at how business operates.

    Now we have tax payers funding 'free" labour (Work for the Dole) for business, except its not free because WE are paying for it. As well as a$10,000 bribe to employ an older worker.

    If anything was needed to wake up Australians to the true nature of employment conditions today, it is US providing "free" labour to wealthy multinationals to prop up profits to shareholders.

    Modern slavery!
    Stoker
    29th Jul 2014
    10:10am
    Of course they will employ as few as possible, their task is to create a livlihood for themselves and their prospective family, if it grows to the need of outside employment then sothe cycle begins, will the employee 'work' andthen of course if the busibess is in hospitality then itwill be a seven dy a week business on a five day a week wage system.

    Oh dear forgot about the bloodsucking unions, if the business is a good business then they will be hanging around the door promising employees the world if they join the union or threats ifthey don't. Duh, why don't the unions set up a business.
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    10:25am
    The Unions have set up a few businesses and each case failed. So it looks like they have stopped trying. Anyway, it is a lot easier to get donations from employees and employers.
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    10:28am
    Unions in business would be like an alcoholic owning a pub.
    Blossom
    29th Jul 2014
    10:29am
    Yes, we as taxpayers are paying for it but they aren't getting it for nothing. Some who work this way gain experience in other opportunities for employment and do gain employment, even if it is only part-time. I know a lady who started as a "volunteer" at an aged care facility and got a good job as a result of that. Having retired at 60 for medical reasons she still does a bit of voluntary work there when she feels well enough to do so.

    Some people who could employ a person, even if just casually, won't because of workcover and other Govt. charges. They simply doesn't have the resources to do so. I personally know of one person in that situation and the land acreage being cropped has been reduced instead.
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    9:50pm
    Society is being fooled. Governments refuse to tell the truth that THERE ARE NO JOBS because jobs have been sold into the third world.
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    9:58am
    Ironic isn't it? I mean that a government which has as its core belief, workers rights, should push jobs out of the country.
    MICK
    30th Jul 2014
    5:41pm
    Frank: Trolling for the government again mate. You, as usual, make statements aimed at discrediting Labor with the normal slogan propaganda one liners.
    You know full well that BOTH sides of politics are selling off Australian jobs. You would also be well aware that the Howard government allowed the sale of strategic assets to foreign investors and did not give a stuff about average Australians.....because the Coalition has only one interest: big business and the rich. Bugger the country!!
    Perhaps explain to me why Howard permitted the Gorgon LNG deposit to go to foreign investors. You know...the world's third largest LNG deposit.....and now Australian have a gas shortage??? Yeah right. It does not end there.
    So please save your trolling for those who are easily fooled.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    6:08pm
    And that's True !! Australia had 200 Years of Domestic Gas Supplies and now its all But Gone !! So they are Poncing around FRACKING the Country Side with Reckless Abandon ???..With Full Permission of the LI........
    Jurassicgeek
    29th Jul 2014
    10:01am
    it is not possible to look for 40 jobs a month. no matter where you live.. it is a stupid idea and repesents this governments lack of understanding of the problem. Over 50's just cannot find work just like that. Age pensioners whos wives are not old enoughto qualify should be placed on a "wifes" pension as before..it is ridiculous to expect a 60 plus person to look for work ......or even do voluntary work..that may work in a big city but in regional areas where there a few or no cummunity organizations that are approved..Stupid ..stupid ... stupid..
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    2:33pm
    It is quite easy to look for/apply for 40 jobs a month if you play by the rules and go for anything you can physically do which is what the rules are/were not just jobs in your field. That's the easy bit.

    Getting the job is the hard part.
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    9:52pm
    40 jobs a month is ridiculous. How can anyone take this seriously. The policy must have been written by a half wit.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    10:18pm
    Mick.. I just read on another Site ..Post Your Job Application Form to 40 Coalition MP's every Month !! Hee! Hee !!
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    10:00am
    Jurassicgeek, that utopia you describe sounds like Greece. I thought Wayne Swan said we were doing better than Greece?
    MICK
    30th Jul 2014
    5:56pm
    So you believe this government which went to an election claiming that Australia was in dire straits....and then gave big business a tax cut.
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    5:58pm
    It worked in Canada and the USA. Every time company taxes dropped the economy became more buoyant.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    6:02pm
    and they put the FLOAT in their Pockets !!
    Jacks
    29th Jul 2014
    10:03am
    For those over 50 you should take a look at what "approved" activities that the government forces unemployed people to undertake. None of it will help them reconnect with an organisation that can utilise their skills and experience. Neither do they have legitimate training courses that will give them new skills. Volunteering on the counter, and sorting in St Vincents is a nice idea but will not lead to job, especially for those who have professional qualifications and experience . Why not let the unemployed volunteer with a section of the organisation that can utilise their existing skills and experience, or an organisation that specialises. For example drug and alcohol services for welfare, counselors, etc out of work. Most over 50's know how write a resume, dress for an interview and know what to say during an interview. There already is a tick and flick mentality at JSP providers, and this will just increase it.
    Jaypm55
    29th Jul 2014
    12:18pm
    You can work for an organisation to increase your skills. At 59, I've been unemployed for 6 months and volunteer at 2 local country museums doing data entry and archiving of historic documents. I feel very worthwhile and needed as the other volunteers are older and don't have computer knowledge. I'm increasing my knowledge of history at the same time and filling a need in the community. I don't tell anyone that I'm on unemployment benefits as I work 15+ hrs per week easily and work hard for what I recieve. Plus I have to travel to get there and don't get fuel money. People need to get in touch with their local volunteer office, ours is run by Centacare. I looked for places that I felt I could help at and asked them to apply to Centrelink to be recognized for CL purposes as they are not for profit organisations. I also think there should be a higher cut off point as to when the wife's /partners income starts affecting those who have worked hard manual jobs all their life and now the govt want to push the age out to 70. We'll all be dead from exhaustion.
    Jacks
    29th Jul 2014
    3:10pm
    Jappm55

    thanks for that great reply. I have been trying to get my JSP to let me do volunteer work at an organisation that could utilise my skills. In fact I had done the research and came up with quite a few. But St Vincents was all that was approved by Centrelink for volunteer to work to fulfill my activity test requirements and Job Service Providers could not and would not work around that. Perhaps it's different in the country. I have been out of work going on four years, now. Perhaps I will have to get those organisations to see if they can get Centrelink approval, or perhaps my Job Service Providers were not very well informed.
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    9:53pm
    If you want to stop age discrimination then form a pressure group which targets businesses which refuse to employ over 50s who are well qualified. By not supporting these businesses you starve them...and they will soon see the error of their ways.
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    10:10pm
    Chinese acupuncture?
    particolor
    31st Jul 2014
    6:40am
    Dr Nitchky has been suspended !!
    Adrianus
    31st Jul 2014
    9:53am
    Here comes mick and Not Senile Yet!!! Guard your pressure points or vote Independent.
    Jaypm55
    5th Aug 2014
    12:11pm
    Jack, there are forms that Centrelink have that you can take to a NFP organisation that they need to fill out and send in to become Centrelink approved. Then there is another form that both you and the organisation complete and submit to CL. Many don't even know that they can get volunteers through the CL system and we over 55s (50s) are often the prefect solution. In other words, we work for the dole!
    Blossom
    29th Jul 2014
    10:15am
    Unless it was stopped at some point there is already a subsidy system in place. I know people who have gained employment via this system a few years ago. One of the requirements was that a person had to be employed for a mininum amount of time. Unfortunately I know it was abused by some companies (I won't name them - I don't want to be sued or get Your Life Choices in trouble)
    Some companies don't acknowledge job applications at all unless you are successful.
    They don't hold them in file if you send it in hoping you may be considerred if a job becomes available if you don't initially respond to a job advertisement.
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    1:23pm
    Engy one of the most soul destroying aspects of being unemployed is the very fact that you almost never receive an acknowledgement of your application. This is true even after an interview sometimes. And you are also right that seldom does anyone keep your C.V for future reference. In a way I can see they may have to keep so many it becomes too much. Also if you are doing your job application properly your letter and CV would be slanted for the job you are applying for so may not actually show you can do something else. But this is what keeps you busy when you are unemployed. It is not a paid holiday.........
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    3:06pm
    It depends on the job, because in some cases you may get 400 or more applications for the 1 job. It costs a lot to reply to every application. When I was employing, I quite often got 40 applications narrowed that down to 3-5 interviews, maybe short listed to 2. Advised applicants along the way. But never had time to call all 40. Years ago I would get my secretary to phone every applicant but it was proving too time consuming.
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    10:04pm
    So you Frank were one of the deadbeat bosses who do not even have the courtesy to even inform applicants that they were 'unsuccessful'. So how long does it take to send a pro forma email to people?
    As is the case with your leader profit is more important than common decency.
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    8:18am
    mick, sending out the same email to a bunch of people would not help anyone and it would be a dishonest communication.
    If you apply unsuccessfully for a job you want an honest appraisal, so that spirits are raised and the applicant is energised to have another crack at it. What you don't need is a letter which says " You didn't get the job because we gave it to somebody else."
    You need empathy when employing people and above all a high degree of skill.
    Under the harsh IR laws employers just cannot afford to make the mistake which keeps on hurting. The job applicant needs to understand these matters also.
    Just recently I coached a young unskilled man who had been out of work for a few months, to land a full time job in his first interview. A job in which he had no experience. The employer remarked "in all my 20 years of employing people I have never seen someone interview as well." The young man also got a promotion to a higher position which wasn't even advertised. Now it's up to him to turn opportunity into success.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    8:54am
    He is now CEO of Telstra !!
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    9:51am
    fair go parti, he hasn't started the job yet!
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    2:42pm
    OK Well !! I hope He's got a Valid Passport ! Everything is going Offshore now !! ..
    I just hear a Polly Waffling on about how wonderful Things are here in Australia ! We are a RICH Nation ! And pride ourselves in our Excellence !!.Yeah Right !! I wonder Who wrote His Speech ??... Murdoch ?
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    3:15pm
    I once met a guy who lived in QLD and worked in Siberia. He worked for 3 weeks had 1 week off and about half a week travelling to and from work.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    3:19pm
    Was He a Reindeer Sexer ??
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    5:57pm
    He was a mine site manager. It was cold there around minus 30 and hot in Qld around positive 30. That's a 60 deg variation parti! Can you imagine doing that for a couple of years?
    MICK
    30th Jul 2014
    6:01pm
    Frank: What a load of bullsh** you write above. You ask people to apply for a job with your business and then do not have the good manners to let them know that they were unsuccessful, and then have the hide to write a whole pile of hogwash about why you could not show some decency. It was the IR laws...yeah right. Rave on.
    I understand why you troll for the government. It is your destiny......
    Its 6 pm now Frank. Logged off?
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    6:12pm
    Time for FREE Coldy in the New Speakers Lounge !!
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    10:06pm
    I'm sorry I wasn't here for you to abuse me mick. I had to slip down to the restaurant to catch up with friends. Next time I will check with you first.
    TREBOR
    6th Dec 2016
    3:21pm
    He may not have started the job, but unless his attitudes are different from the past - he will certainly finish it........
    tia-maria
    29th Jul 2014
    10:37am
    This is going to be very interesting just how many will work and how many wont?????? for the dole........My thoughts are the Politicians got it wrong .......First Work on the younger generations and make them either have a job or work for the dole........... as their are so many young bludgers in our society its a disgrace........and they think the TAXPAYERS of Australia.......are their to support them...........AS FOR the 50s age group be more understanding particular what area they live in if it Regional it would be harder for them to fine work......but plenty of jobs they can do for the community to thank taxpayers for their hands out............
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    11:06am
    tia-maria, I agree. If life on the dole is too comfortable for the young it will grow as a lifestyle choice. With many lobby groups pushing for higher payment for the young, many of whom are just lazy, some are just demotivated, and others guided by peers, the higher the payment the harder the change.
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    10:07pm
    We ALL need to contribute. Sadly many folk these days see the dole as a life choice rather than a last choice and the growing numbers of bludgers has gotten to the stage where even politicians cannot ignore the numbers for much longer.
    The other side of this argument is that there are generally NO JOBS because successive government have sold the jobs to the third world. Now the policy is beginning to come back and bite us. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    2:45pm
    The Polly on the Radio today never mentioned the Fang marks in our Rumps Mick ??
    TREBOR
    6th Dec 2016
    3:23pm
    I prefer to consider those trapped In Dole For Life as being in process of LACK of lifestyle choice, Mick... I doubt any of them would stay there given a chance at a real job for a change.

    I'm retired, but was chatting to my neighbour yesterday, saying that I'd be happy to go back to work full-time.. nobody offers though. Their loss....
    Dukki
    29th Jul 2014
    10:39am
    Lumping the over 59s unti the same category
    As the younger. unemployed dies seem a tad shortsighted n unrealistic,

    I'm sued that there are many under 50s who would kve t work, but the reality is that there are not the jobs out there fir thm to apply to. Therefore are they going to be penalised
    For not being abt to apply for 40 jobs a month, n if they are t be retrained 15hiurs that does not leave much time fr anything else
    But retrained as wat, ? They becume the best retrained older unemployed person the Australia
    . So west died that achieve
    I hop think that the give shod go back t the drawing board n rethink the 50yesrs plight
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    10:09pm
    If the jobless rate was accurately shown then it would be more like 15-20%. But most people give up. Could you blame them?
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    10:02am
    Check the D&B stats. I think they have it around 14%.
    MICK
    30th Jul 2014
    6:03pm
    You have essentially made my point. its just the numbers to be decided upon.
    Adrianus
    31st Jul 2014
    10:33am
    I will type slower.....I agree with your assertion.
    doclisa
    29th Jul 2014
    10:54am
    how do you find out what approved activities are? and is it stuff that actually takes jobs away from people by volunteering.
    surley this is another way to make the poor pay..when the rich plunder everything!
    doclisa
    29th Jul 2014
    10:57am
    and i did forget to say that this governement claimed to get rid of unnessessasy red tape...like really the math is that 40 jobs a month, 200,000 people unemployed over 50. mmmm how much red tape!!
    btony
    29th Jul 2014
    11:27am
    200,000 people at 40 job enquiries per month, that's 8,000,000 enquiries per month and 96,000,000 per year.
    The mind boggles
    Jaypm55
    29th Jul 2014
    12:22pm
    Doclisa, go to Volunteering WA, they have volunteering jobs listed that are for not for profit organisations. There's usually a local office in larger towns.
    Sceptic
    29th Jul 2014
    3:32pm
    Are the majority of the people who respond on this site thick or just cannot understand plain English. People over 50 do not have to apply for jobs. Just read the article and the Opinion piece again.
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    3:36pm
    btony, they are interesting statistics. That would mean that if you do have a job expect that there are around 8 people over the age of 50 asking for your job every year. That's a lot of pressure to work harder.
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    4:29pm
    Can you repeat that in Swahili?
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    10:10pm
    Semantics doclisa. Its a game as there are no jobs.
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    8:25am
    So, if there are no jobs.
    How do we create jobs?
    Is that the question we should all be discussing?
    MICK
    30th Jul 2014
    6:07pm
    YOU START BY NOT SELLING THEM TO THIRD WORLD NATIONS. You then put money into vebtures which can produce real income: why is it that Australians can come up with world changing science and then give these away to the US where these are then turned into fortunes? It say a lot about your business buddies Frank. These people are next to useless and the governments they own (coalitions) are simply messengers of a non compos mentos business lobby.
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    10:02pm
    You sound like a hard lefty mick.
    Governments don't create jobs, the private sector does. That's what irks you guys. How can you have so much hatred for a section of the community which does so much good?
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    10:02pm
    You sound like a hard lefty mick.
    Governments don't create jobs, the private sector does. That's what irks you guys. How can you have so much hatred for a section of the community which does so much good?
    bookwyrm
    3rd Aug 2014
    12:57am
    You are fighting a battle you can never win, Sceptic! This is Orrstraayliyaa, where the great unwashed swallow their daily dose of Abbott propaganda from the Murdoch Daily Liargraph!
    TREBOR
    6th Dec 2016
    3:27pm
    So it is incumbent on government, in protecting itself and its nation and nurturing its people, to take action a la Trump over corporations that offshore to Slavelandia....

    I've had this argument before - we in Oz do NOT function in a 'global economy' - we are forced to function in the OZ economy with all its costs and impositions. Similarly, a Faraffistani or Chindasian is forced to live in HIS?HER economy with all its costs and impositions.

    No way is there any 'global economy' based on that simple fact.
    TREBOR
    6th Dec 2016
    3:47pm
    The continuation of that is, of course, income levels compared to costs and impositions.

    The 'traditional' working of a 'global economy' is the transfer of raw materials from the poorer countries - the 'Third World' - to the 'richer or developed countries - the First World - and then the expenditure of finished goods within the First World and then to the Third World - to those who can afford to buy them there, that is.

    Guess which part of this equation is this country reverting to... does 'Home On The Iron Ore's Back' sound familiar? Does "Home On The Back of Frack" sound familiar?

    This country - as a contributing Third World country - once got 'Home On The Sheep's Back' - but we then became considerably 'richer' through industrial growth and social and economic improvement.... now we are going backwards... since we no longer make 'high quality finished goods' (that Auntie Julia told us Asians would become vast consumers of, BTW - another short-sighted politician of no note), we are forced to accept far lower quality and massively quantity produced goods from Offshore...

    In all ways - lack of production, lack of any real home grown competition, lack of any solid base other than raw materials and raw meat and even more raw fracked gas, and so forth - this country is heading downhill at a rapid rate - and politicians of all kinds are doing NOTHING to prevent it - instead they are sucking up to multi-national corporations that pay no tax, just to get a small bite of their economic activity as a tiny tranfusion into an economy running on one pint of blood - if that.
    TREBOR
    6th Dec 2016
    3:48pm
    Sorry for the 'book', lads/lasses - these issues are big and multifold.... many aspects to them and they all need airing...
    Gayrama
    29th Jul 2014
    11:20am
    I would like to see these politicians do just that. Try applying for 40 odd jobs per month; then cope with the knock backs. It's demoralising and can contribute to feelings of depression; especially when your other half is retired.
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    2:36pm
    I have done this - actually I was applying for more than that. Lucky if you even get the knock back. Most of the time you are simply ignored.
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    10:12pm
    One the ways I have campaigned to give over 50s a fair go is to form a group and refuse to purchase from discriminatory businesses. It would work but who cares enough to be bothered.......
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    11:58am
    200,000 over 50s on the dole, please somebody ask Abbott or Hockey to show us 200,000 jobs.
    Better still ask them, "Do you believe there are 200,000 jobs available".
    Then say " You could set a world record by answering Yes or No, like Clive Palmer does".
    MICK
    29th Jul 2014
    10:13pm
    There aren't.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    2:52pm
    Yes Yes Yes NO !!
    Polly Esther
    29th Jul 2014
    12:26pm
    Applying for a job a day keeps Eric Abetz at bay. It will be the hardest some, and I emphasize the word some, will have ever worked, even when they just have to do box- ticking". However applying for forty jobs a month is of course over a job a day, when will they ever find time for themselves?
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    2:55pm
    And some wont have time now for their Gainful Employment !! ..Bagging Pot !!
    Arby
    29th Jul 2014
    12:37pm
    I like the fact that the government has re-named Centerlink, Human Services. When I was in this position some time ago, I always applied for jobs in this area. When one got to the bottom of the application there was a question that asked; Why do you think you would be good in this position? I always replied that I couldn't be any worse than the people employed at (XYZ) centre. I believe nothing has changed. This area needs the most change and then work down from there. They are not there to "serve". They are there to find as many obsticles as they can to demoralise those who genuinely want to work.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    4:17pm
    Yes .. We call it Inhumane Services here !....
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    10:09am
    I haven't been able to get my money Wayne Swan stole out of my bank account, so if this garage sale doesn't work, then I am off to the public phone box to have lunch while I wait for Inhumane services to answer.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    2:51pm
    I Love it Frank !! Every time I get a letter from them !!
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    3:10pm
    Well I'm not doing that again!!! Rude people!!!
    Crazy Horse
    29th Jul 2014
    12:45pm
    It just shows how out of touch with the realities of the workplace politicians are.
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    1:16pm
    As someone who has been unemployed through no fault of my own, three times in the last 20 years, I actually don't see what is so bad about these requirements. The last time I was unemployed was 4 years ago. It took me 14 months to find a new job. In that time I applied for well over 600 jobs. If you work that out I was applying for an average of 10 jobs a week. The new requirements expect you to apply do the same. The rules were then that you had to apply for any job you were physically capable of doing not just jobs in your chosen field and 10 jobs a fortnight. I had no problem with that. Either you are serious about getting a job or you are not. If you are, making applications is not going to be an issue. If not then you will find it difficult. It is actually not that difficult to find jobs to apply for: the internet is a wonderful thing! And remember I was doing this at the height of the GFC!! The hard part is actually landing a job. Trust me, no one is going to employ a 55 year old rocket scientist to stock shelves in a supermarket.

    The bigger change is the work requirement. I have no issue with that either. Being made redundant is a big hit to take. After three times I can tell you doesn't get any easier. You do start feeling it is all personal and it is very hard to stay positive. Doing something is far better than doing nothing. As jaypm55 says there are a lot of volunteer organisations and NFP NGOs who are always short of resources who would welcome you with open arms. 15 - 25 hours a week is only two - three days, plenty of time to look for work or study too. And far better for you psychologically to be doing something - even if its the filing - where it makes a difference.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2016
    1:37am
    KSS, what you say may have some merit, but individual cases vary. Take a man who grew up institutionalized and abused, has no confidence, is uneducated and unskilled and has done unskilled physical work all his life. Due to institutional abuse, he has no trust in authority or the system. He tried to access retraining a few times but was refused. Now, at 45, he has a bad back and injured shoulders- but Centrelink refuse to classify him as ''disabled'' because he could, in theory, do a desk job. Only nobody is going to offer him desk work because he has no relevant skills. So just what jobs should he apply for? Oh, that's right. He should retrain! This is someone who was told throughout childhood that he was ''scum'', ''trash'', ''useless'' and ''stupid'', and when he applied for retraining he was refused because he was ''too dumb to do anything but dig ditches''. So he dug ditches, until his body was broken and he couldn't dig ditches anymore. And now society expects him to suddenly magically transform into someone intelligent and capable enough to learn skills he wanted to learn at age 15 and 20 and 25 and 30 and 35, but this stinking society wouldn't let him because he was still fit enough to dig ditches then.

    Okay, this is one anecdotal example, but my point is that before we blame people for their misfortune, we should examine the society that has created the problems.

    BTW. The man in this example once applied for assistance to start a business. He was disqualified. Only those who had done no paid work of any kind for two years and whose spouses/partners had done no paid work of any kind for two years were accepted. Needless to say, most went broke. No initiative! But the government ruled anyone with initiative ineligible.

    Seriously, bureaucrats and politicians have no clue how to remedy the problems THEY have created. If they stopped pandying to the privileged and started focusing on identifying why people can't or don't work and addressing the real causes of unemployment, instead of appeasing the advantaged taxpayers by bashing the unemployed and imposing stupid demands on them, they might discover that compassion, empathy, and understanding would lead to solutions. What they need to do is get out among them and find out from those affected just what the obstacles really are, instead of theorizing and assuming.

    Few people enjoy life on the dole. But very few will be helped to escape it by being bullied and punished and criticized. And the problem with so-called help programs is that they are managed and operated by people who have absolutely no concept of what it's like to walk in the shoes of those who need help, and are therefore generally utterly incapable of delivering the help that is needed.
    Grumblebum
    29th Jul 2014
    1:31pm
    My friend is approaching 60, but started work at 17 and started paying tax. A bright girl she soon got her first degree and worked as a professional in the Commonwealth Public Service. She paid plenty of tax until the downsizing in the 1990's. Retrenched she retrained by getting another degree and then, a little less healthy, she sought part-time professional jobs. Odd jobs, but no suitable work, so back to Uni for a Masters. Now, rated by Centrelink as fit for 15 hours a week, she is rated as a dole bludger by the monkeys at the top of the tree. However no employer wants an elderly, but well qualified and experienced professional in her fields. Should she consider a boat going the other way?
    Pass the Ductape
    29th Jul 2014
    2:04pm
    Might be her only recourse at this stage Grumblebum. Or consider this - she could be a little more enterprising and take matters into her own hands. She takes her qualifications and trades them in for that boat you mentioned. Then, as the captain of the boat, (requires another qualification however) she could put it to the feds that she'd like to operate a dole bludgers 'run' to the middle of the Indian ocean (where that plane was supposed to have crashed) and dump each and every load of 'bludgers' over the side.

    Considering Mr Abetz's idea to greatly assist those who help themselves, I think he'd be pleased to save so much money getting rid of those who don't really want to work, by at least contributing half of what would be paid to keep someone on the dole, to the lucky ship's captain - thus everyone would be happy - except the bludgers of course. Well, you can't please everyone.......Yes - it definitely sounds like a plan!
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    8:38am
    I've seen Doctors working in restaurants. I've seen Plumbers unable to get a job because they crossed the border into another state. An Engineer working as storeman in a warehouse. Education is no passport to a successful career. You take what you can get, where you can get it and you don't blame the government for your problems.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    8:58am
    And Package Maniacs in Parliament !!
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    11:15am
    One of the few jobs left where you can package your benefits , send filthy texts, sniff chairs and discriminate on size, etc. While at the same time being supported by the tax payer big time.
    Pass the Ductape
    29th Jul 2014
    1:41pm
    40 jobs a month?
    Mr Abetz is trying hard to do what? Unfortunately he hasn't a clue about the reality of the situation a great many who want to work, find themselves in.

    Many, many, years ago I was looking for work after leaving a job I had been in for several years.

    I got off my butt (as Mr Abetz has suggested) and visited many places to find work, utilizing my car for travelling, but only after I had dropped my partner off to work as well. Public transport was non-existent to many of the places I visited and without the earnings of my partner, I would never have been able afford to go looking for many of these jobs in the first instance.

    After several knockbacks, (and I was only 35 years old) I began to lose heart, but in one particular instance, I thought I might have stood a better than average chance. The interviews began at 9am.

    I arrived at 7.30am in the hope that I would be first cab off the rank. There were about 15 people in front of me even then! To the credit of the company, they began interviewing about 8.30am because of the numbers of applicants beginning to turn up. The queue was much longer by 9am and after quite some time, several job seekers at the back of the queue began to leave - a few indicating that they had other interviews to attend.

    Each interview lasted for about 20 minutes - some longer. My turn to be interviewed arrived at about 1.30pm (I had been there since 7.30am) and concluded at around 2pm - all in the end for a nil result. Nothing to eat or drink either throughout the day until I got home again at 3pm.

    I eventually saw the light (I wasn’t about to go anywhere doing this kind of thing) and I took a course truck driving and obtained the necessary licence, which although I was never offered a job driving trucks (because I had had no experience - are you listening Mr Abetz?) I did manage to get a job driving buses. They seem to take anyone who isn’t too fussy about how they’re treated by the public - likewise taxi drivers.

    That lasted for a few years until I’d had enough of the hideous side of an unsympathetic and overly demanding public. Luckily, there were openings for correctional officers at this time, so I joined the prison service and I stayed in corrections coping abuse until I retired.
    At least in prison, I was obliged to cop abuse without having to call the perpetrator ‘sir’ or ‘madam’ to boot!

    So - for Mr Abetz's benefit, whilst I was out of work for a time, I did spend most of those days on fruitless job searching which cost me several dollars in fuel and with nothing to show for it, and I would have loved Mr Abetz to have been with me during these times. I would have taken his current ideas and stuck them right up where the sun doesn’t shine!
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    2:01pm
    Whilst 'cold calling' on foot (or in a car) as you did back then is still done today, most cold calling is done electronically today. That makes it an altogether different proposition. You can also research the company and its people far more easily than before with all the social networking type groups available through a keyboard. Really finding 2 jobs a day to apply for is not that hard. And its free to do so at the local library!

    Getting the job is the hard part.
    Pass the Ductape
    29th Jul 2014
    2:51pm
    I get your point KSS - it would be different today in many ways I'm sure, and as you correctly point out - getting the job is the hard part. I have for some time argued that the jobs just aren't there any more, but others have disagreed. They seem to think there are still plenty of jobs to be had. My argument is this - although there might be any number of jobs about, whether they are suited to those seeking them is quite another story. There are a great many of us whom one might consider being - for the want of a better term - 'just a worker' - and there always will be. For most of them, the kind of work they might be suited for, just isn't available any more. Can these 'just a worker' kind of people be trained for the work that is available? Well that's anyone's guess. My view is that it's highly unlikely for the majority.

    What's really needed in this country is a radical and lateral thinking approach to the problem whereby all levels of governments initiate several ongoing and massive internal projects, likely to employ several thousand 'worker' type people overall; which would help to bring this country back up to speed with the rest of the world. If this were to occur, then I would have absolutely no objection to having the so-called 'dole bludger brigade' being forced (and I mean forced - whatever it takes, because a lot of these buggers will simply sit on their respective backsides and attempt to do nothing) to accept a position in one of these projects; adequate training opportunities (not the nonsense we've seen in past endeavours where it was barely a lip service arrangement which hardly did anyone any good) also to be provided and mandatory for people to accept - as part of the overall plan. We just have to get off our backsides and do something far more positive to change the cultural thinking of people in Australia today - which has people believing they do not have to work: that others in the community will always provide for them. The way things have been allowed to develop just can't keep happening and sooner we all wake up and realise this, the better off we will all be.
    Neeney Doc
    29th Jul 2014
    2:19pm
    Gee Ductape, If you were still employed as a prisons officer, some of the 'inmates' you would NOT have to be calling 'Sir' would be politicians!
    Pass the Ductape
    29th Jul 2014
    2:55pm
    Hahaha... Yes I completely agree Neeney Doc :)
    Pass the Ductape
    29th Jul 2014
    2:57pm
    I did go on a bit - sorry!
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    2:28pm
    I can see the Signs going into Shop and Factory Windows now !!... $7 Co Payment to sign Unemployed Forms !!..Please Bring own Pen ! Ours are Worn Out !! ..Thank You...
    Pass the Ductape
    29th Jul 2014
    2:58pm
    I love it. :>)
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    3:24pm
    I liked Your Rather Large Speech up there too Duct !! I didn't comment as not to offend !! .. There are MANY in this Town that.. I think that is their Religion ?? ..Others in the Community Will provide for us !! No I don't think !! I'M BLOOODY SURE !!
    CindyLou
    29th Jul 2014
    3:43pm
    I could never get the dole because I, as a mature aged student educated myself in fields of studies/employment where age and experience are valued (community welfare field).

    I did this whilst in my 40s, like preparing for a storm, it's life preparation and planning, thinking and taking action.
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    4:08pm
    Very good post CindyLou!! Far too many short term thinkers around.
    Anonymous
    29th Jul 2014
    4:19pm
    Good effort pity their are not more people like you who are willing to make their own way in life instead of going on some sort of welfare. I hope you do well as you deserve it
    older&wiser
    29th Jul 2014
    8:40pm
    Sorry CindyLou - doesn't work in allot of cases. My girlfriend had worked in a large department store for over 20 years, but chucked it in to do what she had always loved - train to be a teacher. She funded this herself for 4 years but guess what? - in the 3 years since, she has worked 15 hours as a relief teacher. She cannot get any work, as they (schools) look at a 52 yo with NO experience (as a teacher) and bypass her. So she is back selling lingerie, having wasted over 7 years of income, and now regrets it madly. Experience & maturity mean absolutely nothing if you haven't worked in the field, no matter how many courses you do. But it is the old dog chasing its tail - how do you get experience if no one will give you a chance?
    CindyLou
    29th Jul 2014
    10:07pm
    No, I am right.
    Solution, go in a different direction...youth work etc.
    There are many jobs that a teaching degree and maturity will be valued.
    Also, you need to be a bit creative...volunteer working with youth, then apply for appropriate youth support work, even disability - youth work.

    ps:
    I worked and went to uni part time, two degrees...4 adolescent kids...crazy but I I'd it.

    Never, ever give up...failure isn't an option.
    CindyLou
    29th Jul 2014
    10:07pm
    No, I am right.
    Solution, go in a different direction...youth work etc.
    There are many jobs that a teaching degree and maturity will be valued.
    Also, you need to be a bit creative...volunteer working with youth, then apply for appropriate youth support work, even disability - youth work.

    ps:
    I worked and went to uni part time, two degrees...4 adolescent kids...crazy but I I'd it.

    Never, ever give up...failure isn't an option.
    bear
    29th Jul 2014
    10:23pm
    This year I have started a welfare course and hoping to get work at the finish. Tough going seeing I started at age 56. If I qualify there are jobs available
    CindyLou
    29th Jul 2014
    11:10pm
    Hi again,
    I looked at my last posting (appearing twice, oops)...I didn't want to look mean spirited towards anyone, not in my nature, however, I strongly believe you have to be tough, smart, savvy, a bit hungry to succeed.

    One job I went for, years ago was with a large supermarket...I sat in a room with young people, did an exam, didn't even know what the bloody job I was actually going for. Was successful, gained a job as a packer, good pay, hard physical work, I often got the pet food isle, cut myself occasionally on the 'blades' used to slash the cartons.
    Another unusual job, delivering pizza, was often dead scared making deliveries late at night into blocks of units. Wish I had a photo of myself in domino shirt.
    Delivered local newspapers, rain, hail or shine...bit embarrassing but it was $$$
    Was a census collector one year...
    Cleaned toilets, vacumned foyer etc at a local theatre

    Point is, you just strive...all work is honorable
    If I was looking for a job now I'd think..... What is the job that nobody wants to do.
    Then I'd research that field, perhaps put a bit of b.... s.... on my application, then when I got the job I'd be the best worker ever, if I was a toilet cleaner, no body would clean it better than me, I'd never turn down shifts, I'd be the person they ring for work because they would know it would be one phone call to fill the shift.
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    11:23pm
    Yeh CindyLou, I was tested years ago as well. I had a couple of milk rounds when milk was 9 pence a pint, and the milko got 3 pence of that. Also the big test was learning 450 houses in about 2,000 houses, and the different requirements of each house, which ones were cashies, which ones had double delivery on Frid night, which ones had cream and which night, etc, etc. It's amazing how much info we had in our little brain box. A bit like the employees at Bunnings today, they all seem to know exactly where 100,000 items are at any given time.
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    11:30pm
    Thinking about what I just wrote, if the Govt bought in a law banning Supermarts from selling milk, it would probably create 50,000 jobs across Australia over night. Just one small problem,,,, where do you find a Govt with the GUTS to do that????
    Maybe Putin????
    Adrianus
    31st Jul 2014
    9:46am
    CindyLou, If everyone had your attitude Australia would eventually become an economic power house and we would all enjoy a high standard of living. The best you can do is the best you can do. :)
    Sick of BS
    29th Jul 2014
    4:09pm
    Its the Abbotts government way of be littling average Jo.
    So we can pay for there wages and perks.
    Young
    29th Jul 2014
    4:52pm
    I am commenting on those in their twenties.
    Many have jobs but only want them to earn money to go on overseas holidays.
    There does not seem to be any commitment to their work by many youngsters.
    It is all about themselves and they care little about their employers.
    They cannot wait until later in life to go overseas.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    5:04pm
    It helps the Indonesian Economy !! I've Been to Bali Too !!..
    Those Fishing Boats aren't Cheap You Know ?? And those Pesky Australians keep Burning them on the Beech and Sinking them ??..
    Instead of Sending Them Back for a REFILL !!
    Foxy
    29th Jul 2014
    5:09pm
    Well guys - I have just spent ages reading all of your wonderful/and not so wonderful comments! Particolor - you are funny as always - but serious also! xx

    There are plenty of jobs out there for people over 60 years of age and ANY age - ok - I found myself in the disgusting position at the age of 61 - after ex hubby lost house - cars - everything we owned - in a "bad" business deal...... yeah even the kitchen sink (that went with the house!) I got myself a job at 61 in a Market Research call-centre - did 14 days training (wasn't easy) = then stayed there for 4 1/2 years doing awful shift work - starting at 4,30pm til 10.30pm (we called W.A. who were hours behind) (Mon. thru Fri.) - worked all day Sat. and Sun (9 - 5) and got $24 bucks per hour!!! Loved the job - hated the hours - but - had to do it to keep a roof over my head!!! No dole would have kept the private rental I lived then / and still live in .......no one helped me! No one! So in my opinion let these "bludgers" get off/outta the "system" and try fending for themselves for a change! This truly makes me angry! I am still struggling now and then - but PROUD !!!

    By the way on seek.com - there are like 2000 call centre jobs in all kinds of industries - crying out for people - you sit on your arse in an air-cond. call centre calling peeps at random - how easy is that? NOT telemarketing - call-centre - BIG DIFFERENCE !!!!!!
    CindyLou
    29th Jul 2014
    6:16pm
    Congrats Foxy...there are jobs, they may not be fabulous.

    I have a friend who is 67, only just ceased work, providing home care to the elderly, used her own car, as she approached her retirement she cut her hours down to about 15 hrs per week, from memory I think she made good $$$ from the kilometers paid to her for driving elderly to appointments. Certainly not glamorous work, added heaps of ks to car.

    Other older folk I have seen out in the real world working are shelf stackers at supermarkets (I did that many years ago)' checkout workers etc., pizza deliveries (did that too!!! )

    Got to think outside the square, be prepared to go beyond ones individual comfort
    level.

    Got to help yourself' see 'learned helpless theory'

    Nb.
    I don't envy or dislike politicians or others, I'm too busy getting on with life.
    Adrianus
    29th Jul 2014
    6:16pm
    Foxy, it must be you who calls me every week. he he he.
    Good for you! it's great to hear of people who have the courage to do what it takes. I admire people like you.
    You are right. There is always a job for a person with pluck!
    Foxy
    29th Jul 2014
    7:48pm
    Thanks so much - Cindy - Frank - I look back now and really have no idea how i did it for 4 1/2 years - but - I had no choice! Frank - I worked in Market Research - quite interesting actually - we did the Govt. polls - we did polls on "Drunk Driving" - polls on just about everything - I would probably still be there but - like everything - things change - all these companies now do Market Research online - which I am still getting paid for although nowhere near as much!!! Cheers :-)
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    8:19pm
    And this is a good example of applying for any job you can do not just one in your field. You foxy like CindyLou (and me) take what you can and make the most of it. It may not be the dream job but it is a job and with it comes more than money such as pride, independence and ability to pay bills :-)
    Adrianus
    30th Jul 2014
    5:53pm
    I try not to give research callers or prospectors a hard time because I know they are trying to earn a living and doing the best they can.
    Fready
    29th Jul 2014
    6:16pm
    When I was made redundant I registered with Centrelink in case it took a while to get a paid position. I was paying a mortgage on my house at the time. They told me to sell the house and come back to see them when the proceeds were spent. I went to the library for 6 hours a day researching companies that might employ me for 6 months whilst my fiance paid our expenses. I made more than 2 applications per day. It was no problem. The real issue was having no income. I've never received a dollar from Centrelink, whilst I know of a family who live in public housing and have never had a breadwinner in 3 generations.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    6:40pm
    Friedy I know plenty of them !! Its time the Dole Police came around with a Crow Bar and Levered them off the Lounge !!.. But then leave them there!! They keep Mackers and Pizza Joint going and the Local Bottlo !! and wouldnt Work anyhow !!..
    ER DUH ??
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    6:42pm
    PS... I think its an Industry ??
    aly_rob60
    29th Jul 2014
    6:17pm
    Speaking from personal experience, we can say that applying for 12 jobs a fortnight has been harder than we thought. Firstly you have to find something that you are qualified to do or have experience in.

    Then when you do, you are competing against at least 40 other people per job. Some employers are kind enough and have the time or resources to let you know that you didn't make the shortlist.

    That may be one job, out of 12 if you are lucky.

    l (female) have been unemployed since March 2012. My husband has been unemployed since October 2012. We are both in our early 50s. So we have a pretty good idea what we are talking about.

    Neither of us were getting Newstart Allowance until November 2013. So we had to survive on our savings. watching the bank balance dwindle in the meantime.

    Recently, l looked at our combined income and our outgoings. It was frightening!!! We fall short on average, by $300 per month.

    That's the bills, rates and shopping for 3 people and a few pets!
    We do all our cooking at home, and maybe "lash out" twice a month and buy a takeaway meal. No movies, no pubs, rarely go on trips or travel.

    Thank goodness we don't have a mortgage (we own our home) ....
    We really don't now how those people with a mortgage get by!

    We fulfill our job search requirements but every fortnight it gets harder and harder. ANY WONDER as every night on TV, an Australian company has closed down, gone offshore or made 100s of employees redundant.

    Do the maths, Mr Abbott & Mr Hockey........!!!

    That combined with all the unskilled labour being allowed to come into our Country! What chance have we got, or our kids got?

    Making us work until our 70s is not the answer.

    Our youth are our future, yet they are not encouraged to stay at school, are given Youth Allowance as soon as they turn 16.....what does that tell them? That money comes easily when you do NOTHING.

    We have both been gainfully employed since we left school, so have worked and paid our taxes for over 35 years. We figure that our kids and Australian youth should be given EVERY opportunity to train and find a job, just like we had to!

    What has changed?

    We object to being labelled as bludgers and living the high life off welfare. I would like to see any of our Politicians survive on our payments and see how they go, from week to week.

    We don't reach retirement age until 2027......so what does the future hold for us? Certainly not swanning around, living on a FAT politicians retirement benefits.
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    8:27pm
    I feel your pain but you are lucky to 'get away' with only having to apply for jobs in your field and qualifications. I had to apply for anything I could physically do regardless of what field it was. And they checked, every two weeks I had to show them the list of applications, jobs and contact names and numbers! And at the time I was 54-55 and it was the height of the GFC. 600+ applications later, I finally got a job that I still have. Chin up; its becomes a matter of numbers, eventually your number comes up and you can celebrate with a coffee at a cafe. Good luck.
    older&wiser
    29th Jul 2014
    8:10pm
    See the sign NO HAWKERS that many shops & businesses have on their front door?
    Recently I saw a business with the sign NO POSITIONS AVAILABLE, NO JOB SEEKERS. When I asked why, I was told they were sick & tired of having to sign forms, give out business cards, and waste their business time not on their core business.
    bear
    29th Jul 2014
    8:49pm
    I am 57, and I am doing 15 hours voluntary work a week at an approved charity. I am also doing a welfare course one day a week at TAFE. I now have from my job service provider a form saying I have to look for 5 jobs a fortnight. I did not know I was supposed to now be looking for a job. Have the rules changed all of a sudden.
    bear
    29th Jul 2014
    8:49pm
    I am 57, and I am doing 15 hours voluntary work a week at an approved charity. I am also doing a welfare course one day a week at TAFE. I now have from my job service provider a form saying I have to look for 5 jobs a fortnight. I did not know I was supposed to now be looking for a job. Have the rules changed all of a sudden.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    9:01pm
    I think Joe wants to Punish everyone in the Land not getting 350,000 Bucks a Year ???
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    9:15pm
    I am 74 and been retired for 12 years, the hardest part is being retired takes all day and there is no time left to do anything else. Oh yes, I do find time for a couple of knock off Drinkies.
    KSS
    29th Jul 2014
    9:29pm
    Seems a bit strange but stay calm and take a deep breath. All you have to do is sign up to seek.com or mycareer.com. Apply for the first two jobs you see that clearly don't have specialist qualifications e.g. pilot if you can't fly or rocket scientist if you are a brain surgeon, an make your application. DO it seriously and you meet your obligation. Shouldn't take more than 30 minutes.
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    9:32pm
    KSS, what is the classification for being retired ? I want to continue with my current occupation.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    9:35pm
    AY ?? If Yer not doing anything what are You Knocking Off ??
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    10:51pm
    I knock off being retired and open the beer fridge to have my reward for being retired all day. It's GO, GO, GO around here.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    11:02pm
    You can afford BEER ???
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    11:14pm
    Only since last weeks $200 per week increase in the pension, prior to that I had to pinch it from the bottle shop and run like my Mother In-law was chasing me.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    3:07pm
    Simmo ..That is as funny as it sounds !! 6 Months back we saw 2 Coppers chasing 3 Beer Bandits Through Coles Car park here !! And We were putting Bets on the outcome !!.. The Cops Won !!!
    Virginia
    29th Jul 2014
    9:37pm
    Of course its a good idea... Get out volunteer just do something you feel so much better. There are immigrants being brought into do menial jobs WHY these jobs make you feel better. Just being active actually you socialize when you work where ever....... Knockers get a life and help someone else to get a life .... Weeding is better than staying in bed till noon.
    particolor
    29th Jul 2014
    10:40pm
    My Neighbours don't think so !!
    Wendy HK
    1st Aug 2014
    9:26pm
    I am now 65 and I volunteered for 15 months for my NewStart payment at various charity shops - I am now a voluntary volunteer. I absolutely LOVE it! I feel that the experience a young person would get from this would be invaluable. I have never used a cash register before but now I can, there is also customer service, cash handling, organising, being part of a team etc.
    The benefits to the older person is you are actually performing a valuable community service and as such you have a reason to "get out of bed" and your self esteem rises, you meet new people and life is great again!
    I looked on my 15 hours a week as my "job" for which i was being paid $$ per hour Do yourself a favour and get into it!.
    particolor
    1st Aug 2014
    9:33pm
    I've found You don't eat very well on a Vivid Imagination !!..
    Virginia
    29th Jul 2014
    9:41pm
    Get off the net its amazing what happens when you get out of your house and actually become active. Walking talking and doing some volunteer work!!!! don't be so lazy
    bear
    29th Jul 2014
    9:49pm
    Hope you are not saying that people who do volunteer work are lazy.,
    Young Simmo
    29th Jul 2014
    10:53pm
    Virginia, I'm not lazy, I have the fittest index fingers in our street.
    Foxy
    30th Jul 2014
    5:40pm
    You told me last year "Simmo" that you lived in a caravan park and had very little money/ life???? What a BS artist you are! lol lol lol .......remember what you tell people .......or has Dimentia set in ? :-)
    Young Simmo
    30th Jul 2014
    6:59pm
    It all depends Foxy, for some people $1000 is a lot and for some 10 Million Dollars is a lot. I am somewhere in between. If you have trouble comprehending that, ask a 5 year old to explain it for you.
    You are right about one thing though, we came to this Caravan Park in Feb 1999 and seem to have lost track of time.
    The best thing now for you is, if somebody tucks you into your cot and you get a good sleepy buys.
    If you guessed I am a 2 finger typist, you at least got something right.
    Time to swap my keyboard for a TINNY.
    musicveg
    30th Jul 2014
    1:25am
    Mr. Abetz also mentioned over 50s can join the Army Reserves, what the! Can you imagine doing the training? Is this a joke or does he seriously think most over 50s are this fit and healthy?
    I pity the businesses who have to waste time answering all those phone calls from job seekers, will become very annoying and time consuming, as well as costly for businesses and job seekers.
    Young
    30th Jul 2014
    8:40am
    Great reading about how some of you got jobs and stuck at them.Good for you Foxy and Fready.
    If only the younger generation took jobs that were available rather than being so choosy.
    unicorn
    30th Jul 2014
    9:51am
    dON'T GET TOO USED TO THESE IDEAS THEY WIL PROBblHAVE MANY MORE BEFORE LONG. They seem to chnge their ideas fom day to day.

    30th Jul 2014
    10:57am
    Can anyone tell me if Centrelink have a page on what EXACTLY they deem to be "approved activities"? I am not going to waste a couple of hours of my life waiting in a line at a Centrelink office to find out that they are not sure either and as my husband is looking at retiring and I will end up on newstart we would like to make a start with volunteering but what organisations do they approve of? Neither of us are in very good physical condition and IF there were jobs paying jobs to look for we probably wouldn't pass the fitness tests!!!
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    7:45pm
    Well No !! But I can tell You with Absolute Certainty what they aren't !! Missing an Interview or two is two !! And missing another One will lead to Approved Poverty !!
    Mar
    30th Jul 2014
    11:52am
    40 jobs a month? There are on average only 30 days in the month. Absolutely ridiculous. They are clutching at straws. When will we get people with brains in parliament? It gets funnier each day, if you still have a sense of humour.
    particolor
    30th Jul 2014
    3:16pm
    That may not happen until 2017 Mar ! But by then I think the Government might be Out Sauced to Singapore ??..
    midnight
    30th Jul 2014
    6:41pm
    I'm fascinated by this comment. I turn 65 in December and up until a few months ago I was applying for the obligatory 10 jobs a fortnight. Fortunately I have found some volunteer work, but only 6 months ago did I discover that doing 'voluntary work' would release me from the obligation of over-ridiculous job hunting. I guess that was another bit of information the job service 'non-providers' forgot to give me. "But for those receiving the dole, the message is that when you turn 50, you can slow down and stop looking for work to receive your payment. Under the old system this didn’t happen until you turned 55????? Who knew!
    midnight
    30th Jul 2014
    7:10pm
    I read a comment about -study for the dole- How I would love to do that. All this talk about retraining is within my mental capacity but way outside my financial capacity. Such a shame I worked all my life, provided a safe home for my family, and am now 'old'. I am doing the 15 hours a week volunteering but in no way does it come close to using my skill sets. What a shameful waste is that!
    mrs macca
    31st Jul 2014
    12:48am
    Approved positions are those which have centrelink approval - Most States have Volunteer jobs listed on their sites and they will state which roles have the approval. Eg Volunteering Geelong - Volunteering Melbourne etc etc is how it all works. Generally all the big charitys and Hospitals have approvals and so do a great many others. Check under Volunteering on google and that should point you in the right direction. The work providers will also have brochures to make contact with the volunteering groups and you dont have to wait at centrelink to find out who you can do work with. You will be welcomed and be surprised to learn how huge the volunteering work force is. Good luck and you can find things which you will enjoy doing.
    Not Senile Yet!
    31st Jul 2014
    3:45am
    What a bunch of Morons we have running this Country!
    If they were running a Private Enterprise they would go broke......apply for 40 jobs.....bunch of nitwits!!!
    Pleased to see the usual Pro Right Wing morons on line and where would they be without the Pro Left Wing village idiots as well to debate and argue over philosophical points of irrelevance????
    The statistics on unemployment have been manipulated by both sides of the Party System to suit themselves and have not been accurate for over 30 years because they count anyone that has part-time employment as Employed......plus Casuals as well!!!
    If they separated them....and had a category for Not Fully Employed.....the average person would be shocked to discover another 15% separate from the Unemployed.....are also existing below the Poverty Line/Income.
    As for the Statement by Frank the Trawler.....about Governments not creating jobs.....what a load of CRAP!!!
    It is the Government's responsibility to PROTECT Australian jobs from
    being exported overseas!!!! You do this by retaining import Tariffs on the relevant imports where the cost to produce cannot be matched by your own economic scale/proportional income/wages.
    Both Parties have continually declined to do so........instead opting to decrease or eliminate completely any tariff in their trade agreements with other countries......that are kept secret!!!
    This has and always will cost Australians jobs.
    It is no use to blame the Employers alone.....our Government Policies are forcing Companies to react to unfair trade deals!!!
    I know of friends who sold off Companies that made good profits and employed 20 to 30 people before the Government allowed unfair cheap competition to send them into panic!
    The New Owners....simply sourced the production overseas and turned the Aussie Entity into a Warehouse/Delivery Centre. Sad but reality!!
    As for the age Barrier......sadly it has been created by the Governments BAD EXAMPLE......they never employ people over 50 and get rid of everyone over 50 when downsizing....so it becomes Monkey See Monkey Do!!
    The working till 70 is Unsustainable....Full Stop!
    This is just about deferring paying you a Pension....the Dole is Cheaper!!! Cost Cutting because they spent the money put aside for the Pensions when they Built themselves a New Parliament House!
    The over Fifties might have the experience but most lack Qualifications that are now required by the.....you guessed it....The Government!!!
    All the jobs now require Checks/First Aid and Qualifications like Cert 3 or 4 that were not required 20-30 years ago. Progress....okay...but the Government has not provide access to re-training for the over 50's who do not have a job to pay the fees required!!! Nor have they made provision for them to access Super on a pay back basis or supplied a HECS like scheme to put it into action....
    Surely they can understand that people do not have the resources to draw upon if they are only collecting the Dole!!!!
    Forget work for the Dole.....absurd idea!!!!
    It should be a re-train for the Dole Scheme...to encourage is better than to Penalise.....offer incentive rather than just penalties!!!
    Remember...when you vote for a Party Puppet....that's what you get....a puppet who will do what his Party wants!!!!
    Stop voting for these Morons!
    If you want Change...first you have to change what you do.......for if you keep doing the same.....the result will always be the same!
    Change the way you vote.....stop giving the corrupt Parties your vote......vote independent.....and put the Party Puppets Last!
    particolor
    31st Jul 2014
    7:10am
    There is a Problem there Too. A lot of those So called Independents are Back Door Funded Puppets TOO !! You vote ! You get a Ticket to the Same Circus ?? Look at that Mob in there now ? I think they are all members of the Actors Guild !! A Budget that is laughable ! And now proposals that are Preposterous !! They are Corrupt to put it Mildly ! Al Capone would have been Proud of them !! Rort is Great if You get away with it !! "To the Mates Wedding Please Cabbie ! Do You take Green Stamps ? " ......
    Wendy HK
    1st Aug 2014
    10:09pm
    Not Senile Yet - Well said! Stand for election and I will vote for you!
    musicveg
    2nd Aug 2014
    4:24pm
    Excellent comments, thank you for putting in words what I was thinking but are not so articulate. I also thought working for the dole is just another word for slave labour. Young people use to have apprentices and training on the job whilst getting paid a regular wage, now not only do the employers get paid to take on work for the dole participants that get free labour to make them richer. This government is about making the rich richer and the poor poorer and the sick sicker.
    mangomick
    31st Jul 2014
    12:12pm
    Don't you know Frank,..... there just isn't that many Glass Blowing and Lion tamers jobs left these days..............
    Adrianus
    31st Jul 2014
    1:34pm
    I understand that and it is why I suggest you try plastic blow moulding and toddler taming.
    The world is changing, change with it or sit back and blame the government or private enterprise for the evolution.
    Get yourself retrained into a growth industry.
    mangomick
    1st Aug 2014
    11:10am
    Toddler Taming??? Are you joking. That's just too damn dangerous and what with the Blue card requirements and with Negative Population growth one could hardly call that a growth industry.
    Travellersjoy
    31st Jul 2014
    1:06pm
    The government wants us to focus on vilifying the poor old unemployed person instead of the REAL problem, which is CORPORATE CAPITALISM DESTROYS JOBS.

    Vast monopolies have destroyed tens of thousands of jobs by exporting them or replacing people with machines. They are about growing shareholder value, not job creation.

    At the same time they have sent to the wall thousands of small and medium enterprises that made real stuff, and employed whole families as well as neighbours.

    They have also taken billions of dollars out of our economy and exported it to tax havens or repatriated it to their home countries where they build businesses. Multinationals care not a jot about Australia or Australians except for what our compliant governments let them suck out of us, largely tax free.

    There are 5 unemployed for every job, except in the country where there are 100 or more for every job. The unemployed are not the problem. This is more Abbot smoke and mirrors - look over here, look over here - nothing to see over there where corporations are destroying jobs and businesses at a rate of knots.

    The Abbot government is a proxy for American style corporate capitalists, and the are eating us alive.
    particolor
    31st Jul 2014
    4:00pm
    Yer Darn Tootin !! And To Think that Half of Australia is Sight Impaired on Polling Day is Astonishing ?? Thinking That lot is going to give them a FREE DINNER ??
    musicveg
    2nd Aug 2014
    4:27pm
    Exactly, we are heading for more poverty and hardship for the poor and more extravagant living for the rich.
    particolor
    2nd Aug 2014
    6:02pm
    "And what would Sir like served with His Pheasants Breast ? Succulent Asparagus Tips in an Exotic Sauce .or.......
    Fready
    31st Jul 2014
    5:33pm
    Have a look at this lot:
    Salaries of retired Prime Minister and Politicians

    Office Additional salary (%) Salary as of 1 July
    Prime Minister 160 $507,338
    Deputy Prime Minister 105 $400,016
    Treasurer 87.5 $365,868
    Leader of the Opposition 85.0 $360,990
    House of Reps Speaker 75.0 $341,477
    Leader of the House 75.0 $341,477
    Minister in Cabinet 72.5 $336,599
    Parliamentary secretary 25.0 $243,912
    Other ministers 57.5 $307,329
    Shadow minister 25.0 $243,912
    Source: Remuneration Tribunal.
    particolor
    31st Jul 2014
    5:50pm
    Particolor $20,000
    particolor
    31st Jul 2014
    5:52pm
    I want Me Mummy !!!! BAW!!
    Young Simmo
    31st Jul 2014
    6:50pm
    Come on Fready give them a break.
    If they tell lies, there mates pat them on the back.
    If the break a promise, there mates pat them on the back.
    If they get pissed at a wedding and smash up 3 cars and their front fence, there mates pat them on the back.
    I they have a wedding in New York, they go there for a meeting about people throwing ciggy buts on the foot path.
    If they go to a Wine Yard, they buy a new pencil sharpener for their office on their way home.
    If they want to invest in an apartment on the Gold Coast, they go there to vote on the Carbon Tax.
    I could go on and on, but it will beer o'clock soon, and I have to check my ice chest just in case the Mrs forgot to bring back some ice on her push bike. Last time she complained about carrying the ice while walking the bike with a flat tyre.
    Nothing is easy, that trip cost me a new handbag.
    Life wasn't meant to be easy.
    particolor
    31st Jul 2014
    7:01pm
    I feel a bit sorry for the Shadow Minister there !! I don't know how He can afford Socks and Undies ??
    Anonymous
    3rd Aug 2014
    5:24pm
    Fready - And sad to say, every retired previous PM also gets a monstrous pension that is 70% of their final salary - a free Govt car - a free Govt office - two staff employees - all their publication expense costs - free phones - free airfares for them and their spouse - yet all these people are multi-millionaires - and one (Whitlam) is nothing more than a vegetable in a wheelchair!!

    Whitlam was useless when he was in office, and he still costs us hundreds of thousands of dollars a year - which is no doubt, steadily piling up in his bank account, so that his millionaire banker son can collect it when he dies!

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/former-prime-ministers-costing-us-millions/story-e6frfmd9-1225945641593
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    6:33pm
    Strewth !! And Pensioners Don't even get $2 for a Box of Tissues a Christmas Time to Cry about it ??....
    bookwyrm
    31st Jul 2014
    10:05pm
    It attacks the dignity of senior citizens. This far right government does not give a toss for the citizens of Australia.
    particolor
    31st Jul 2014
    10:13pm
    I don't think there is much Dignity left to Attack now ??

    1st Aug 2014
    5:48pm
    Well looks like my husband and I are in for an education next week! Hi Ho Hi Ho! It's off to Centrelink we go! All the information you can get from friends, internet, television, newspapers and any other source can never prepare you for what Centrelink actually think you deserve in assistance. I actually believe it is easier to predict the weather these days!
    particolor
    1st Aug 2014
    7:16pm
    Yes Grumps !! I've had some Good Friends here Run Into Friendly Fire at Cenrelink lately !!.. Through No fault of their own !! Hot Lights and Wet Newspaper I think ??..
    Their Story's were not good that they told Me !!.. I think You will fare Much better if You turn up in a Leaky Old Boat ??..But don't take this as disheartening !! Your case may be altogether Different ?? You might even get a Glass of Sherry and a Cigar ??
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2014
    7:51pm
    No I don't think Mr Hockey is going to part with any of those cigars do you?! Glass of Sherry hmmmm I wouldn't mind a bottle of scotch tonight! I don't hold out much hope as the last time we ask Centrelink for assistance my husband was recovering from a major operation in bed dosed up on painkillers and other assorted medications and I was caring for him 24/7 by myself. But my husband was still breathing and would be capable of work in time and I my caring duties were not enough to qualify for Carer Allowance or a pension of any sort! So there is the bench mark if you are breathing and can get your self to the bathroom and will be capable of work at some stage you have to rely on your savings no matter how small until you are broke and ready to sell your house before they will even listen to you.
    particolor
    1st Aug 2014
    8:01pm
    Grumps.. Take the Family Silver into Centrelink and ask them if they want to buy it !!
    Its all You've got left !! Or Whack on a Funny Accent and say No Speeka Da Inglish !!.
    Try anything ?? Desperate Times call for Desperate Measures You know !!..
    Seriously.. they are Hard Cases in there !! They would tell You to sit down Knowing You have a Boil on Yer Bum !!!
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2014
    8:12pm
    Laughing that much I can't see my keyboard....hang on gotta wipe the fog off my glasses! THANKS FOR THE GIGGLE! I really needed it and it has made me laugh something I don't do as often as I used to...giggle! Your a riot!
    particolor
    1st Aug 2014
    8:20pm
    But Wait theres More !! I just heard on tonight News ,Some Millionairehead said They would like to put all people on New Start and Benefits on Meal Tickets No Grog! No Siggy's No, Well just about everything except a Loaf of Bread and a Tube of Toothpaste ?? ..I can really see that Working !!.. Are these People real ?? or do they Invent them ??
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2014
    8:38pm
    Choking on my brand name lemonade here!!! No they're not real, just a figment of your imagination. Actually, last night when you were asleep the wind(coming from Victoria) swept up your house and now you live in some far off land where wicked witches and wizards torment all the hard working people that bust their bunns for 40+ years of their life to keep them supplied with chauffer driven brooms and cigars cutters and centrelink drones. I often wonder.....do people that work at Centrelink let their friends know where they work or do they say they work for the dole?
    particolor
    1st Aug 2014
    9:02pm
    Cant really answer that Grumps but a Have seen them Centrelink Drones in the Supermarkets and they look awful nervous ?? And when they see a local Bogon They go around the corner into a different Isle ?? Haw Haw Haw !!.. I was a Public Servant or Train Driver a long time !! And never felt Guilty on Pay Day as I did My job and Had the Train in on Time Most of the Time !! Honestly, Could One Politician say the same Thing ?? I would be as nervous as a long tailed cat in room full of Rocking Chairs !! Especially if Id just given a Voucher to a Cabby to Go to the Footy !!
    Anonymous
    1st Aug 2014
    10:53pm
    Don't me wrong, I actually feel sorry for the people that work behind those desks on the ground floor of Centrelink offices. The rules and changes to the welfare system change faster than the weather and they probably have to be briefed and debriefed every day! I could NOT and would never take a job for Centrelink, I bet their turnover of staff is unbelievable. A retired Train Driver eh! Fantastic, you guys and gals don't get the recognition you deserve, we knew a real nice guy that drove trains (sadly passed on before his time) and the stuff he told us would make the normal train passengers hair stand on end. Thanks for getting in on time....just in case I was a passenger! Been reading some of the earlier posts and really wonder if it will be worth our while even trying to claim for anything more than a Healthcare Card. Things are grim and I think we are only seeing the very beginnings of horrors that are going to come from this budget. People are going to get sicker because they can't afford to go to the doctors and fatal household accidents e.g. fires etc because people will not be able to afford maintaining their homes, not to mention all these young couples that have bought very expensive homes as first homes and don't even bother to consider that they may loose their job/s and the rising cost of living which I think is only going to get worse. It will be years before the dust finally settles from this budget.....but I will keep laughing, its better than the alternative.
    particolor
    2nd Aug 2014
    11:24am
    The Alternative is .. :<

    1st Aug 2014
    11:07pm
    40 JOBS A MONTH! NO PROBLEM! There must be way more than 40 Government Departments in this country per state. Get your resume organized and bombard the Government with requests for employment 40 different departments a month. Apply for everything from janitor to State Premier's secretary or Chaffeur! Once you have written to all of them, startover. I wonder if the requests for employment will be answered?
    particolor
    2nd Aug 2014
    11:01am
    Easy Fixed !! DEMAND a JOB like those Foreigners do !! We didn't come here for nothing !! The Captain said Your all Welcome Jobs EVERYWHERE in Australia and If You don't want to work, You can Sit on Your Bum and get the Dole !!... YAY !!
    Young Simmo
    1st Aug 2014
    11:21pm
    A thought has just occurred to me. Will the 1000 upon 1000s of indigenous people living in remote villages, 100s of Kms from the nearest town have to apply for 40 jobs per month after month after month to keep getting their welfare.
    Or will it only apply to the fare skinned people. Can you imagine a thousand people bombarding the 3 or 4 Centrelink computers in Halls Creek or Fitzroy Crossing, day after day after day?.
    I am not being racist, just curious about the enforcement of this crazy new set of rules.
    Adrianus
    2nd Aug 2014
    6:30am
    Different circumstances in those areas. I doubt they will be required to be that actively engaged in the process. I could be wrong? However they wont be paying the $7 co-payment for GP visits. So yes, business as usual, fresh bread delivered every Tuesday.

    2nd Aug 2014
    7:41pm
    http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2011L02716/Download
    If you are considering claiming a disability pension from Centrelink here are the new tables and law jargon you need to understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now perhaps we need to take along our Solicitor or Legal Aid (does it still exist?) advisor to initial Centrelink appointments to make sure that we are being given the right advice and pensions we rightfully deserve, disability or otherwise? On the search now for the details (in full) about applying for other pensions, age, newstart, etc. etc. I don't consider myself a dumb bunny by no means but when faced with 65 pages of CommLaw that may or may not affect me, I would like someone batting on my side that can make quick sense of it all!
    particolor
    2nd Aug 2014
    7:57pm
    Try a Boat Person Lawyer !! THEY ARE GOOOOD !!
    Anonymous
    3rd Aug 2014
    10:28pm
    GREEN ARMY!!! I nearly gave myself a hernia in my vegie patch today! No sorry although I would love to $10 to $16 dollars an hour when I deduct the $7.00 to just make the appointment with my doctor and then his normal consulation fees and the fees charged by the specialist he sends me to. I have osteo arthritis and would have trouble cutting Mr Hockey's cigars!
    particolor
    4th Aug 2014
    8:36am
    I've had a Crook Hip all My life, but managed to work with it, It is so bad now I would have trouble Kicking all their Backsides !!
    Adrianus
    4th Aug 2014
    8:50am
    I could not imagine the unions giving ground on this but there you go? I thought any employee had to get a minimum of $16.67ph before they got out of bed? What's the hourly rate on the dole?
    particolor
    4th Aug 2014
    9:00am
    TOO BLOODY MUCH AROUND HERE !!!!! LOWER IT !!! THEY WILL RUN OUT OF GROG SOONER !!!
    Adrianus
    4th Aug 2014
    9:19am
    Can we increase the baby bonus to incentivise the numbers growth in this unique section of the community? There must be something we can do?
    particolor
    4th Aug 2014
    9:36am
    I think the 50 Grand Mob will try to Outbreed them If that Legislation gets through ??
    Young Simmo
    2nd Aug 2014
    10:43pm
    OK, this is probably a dumb question but I will ask anyway.
    Is applying for the same job 40 times, the same as applying for 40 jobs?
    Question No2, does anybody know where I can buy a keyboard with a REPEAT key on it.
    If the applications have to be posted in, can they all be in the one envelope.
    I am just trying to find a way to create more pub and casino time, as getting home at 5.30am is making my Mrs cranky.
    OK, I just worked out a way to get home earlier, I will make $5 bets instead of $1 bets.
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    2:55pm
    Swear at the Bouncer !! That'll get You home early !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Aug 2014
    3:34pm
    Searching for a job should be a fulltime job. Some people may need retraining to make them job ready for full time job searching. It will be a new experience for many, so that's why some patience and understanding is called for.
    In many respects a job hunter can set his own timetable to suit his leisure activities.
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    3:42pm
    There are some 30 odd Year Olds living here that will have their First Job Interview !!. Hope the Boss likes Dreadlocks and Nose Rings ??
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    3:52pm
    Beer Breath, Singlet, Shorts and Things OK ??
    Young Simmo
    3rd Aug 2014
    4:12pm
    I agree particolor, those earings and studs and facial and neck tattoos immediately convey to me, mental retard that should have been left in the womb.
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    4:22pm
    40 job applications and back to the Couch !! Not a Problem !!..
    Adrianus
    3rd Aug 2014
    6:11pm
    They sound to me like candidates for the "Green Army." Do they know how to plant trees?
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    6:36pm
    They could get a job in a Nursery !! They know how to get the BEST out of Pot Plants !!!
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    6:40pm
    I like some of the Door Bells around here !! They go..Bing BONG..Bing BONG !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Aug 2014
    7:01pm
    Do they know they can get $10-$16 per hour in the Green Army?
    particolor
    3rd Aug 2014
    7:04pm
    Is that WORK ?? NAAAAH!! Not Interested !!..
    Adrianus
    4th Aug 2014
    2:30pm
    Yep, I reckon their parents would have taught them about 4 letter words.
    particolor
    4th Aug 2014
    7:20pm
    I think some of them are about 4 Generations or More of Job Allergy Syndrome ??
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2016
    2:20am
    Perhaps... or perhaps they are just fed up with seeing generations of talented and capable family members denied opportunity and forced into unrewarding, unhealthy, demanding, low-paid jobs for no better reason than that they lost in the lottery of birth.

    If society shifted the focus from often worthless pieces of paper and pretend qualifications to focus on ability and potential and give people a genuine opportunity to find rewarding work for which they are psychologically and physically suited, we might find them far more eager to participate in the social order. While we make persecuted wage slaves of anyone who is deprived of opportunity, it's a bit unreasonable to condemn them for rebelling.

    I keep hearing ''take any job until the one you want becomes available'' and ''don't be choosy''. Seriously, how many of you gainfully employed and pursuing rewarding careers would dig ditches or pick fruit for wages that barely exceed the dole after costs of employment are taken into account, with no genuine hope of escaping to a better life any time soon?
    Young Simmo
    4th Aug 2014
    7:47pm
    OK yes It is a change of subject, but I will give it a go anyway. WA has just got 20 Drug Detecting Devices to start dragging money off the people in the bush. Does anybody know if the Heroin / Opium in Oxy Contin tablets will show up as Heroin / Opium.
    (They are listed as an Opioid)
    Also If I was booked for driving with Heroin in my system, would the doctor that prescribed them also so go for a row.
    particolor
    4th Aug 2014
    7:57pm
    NO !! He will still get His $7 Co Payment !!..Good Liberal Voting Doctor that one !! Stop being Wicked Simmo !!....
    I've Heard they can Detect a Bong at 400 Yards ??
    Young Simmo
    4th Aug 2014
    9:21pm
    Thanks for that particolor, I will have to be more vigilante and make sure my Ultralite doesn't come down below 500 yards.
    Although that can be difficult when one is high on VB.
    Young Simmo
    6th Dec 2014
    12:38am
    WOW, that last comment was the 4th August and today is 5th Dec, some things just never die.
    OK it is 9.28pm over here is slow old West Aussie, I have had my 4 VBs, and am now on the Red to ensure a good nights sleep.
    I am sure you can relate to that parti.
    Now the most important thing on my mind is,,,,,,,, will Mitchel Johnson send down a bouncer in his first over? I sure hope so.
    For anybody that questions my wish stop and think.
    Although Philip Hugh’s death was an incredibly sad occurrence, how many Jockies die each year and nobody says, BOO?

    WATCH THIS SPACE.
    particolor
    6th Dec 2014
    8:58am
    I've been watching this space for 13 Hours now and nothing has happened ?? Can I go to Bed Now ??
    Adrianus
    6th Dec 2014
    9:12am
    Me too....I'm tired.
    particolor
    6th Dec 2014
    9:28am
    Lifes too short to be Serious Frank !!
    Adrianus
    6th Dec 2014
    10:08am
    Life's too short to be-little parti.
    Not Senile Yet!
    6th Aug 2014
    3:38am
    Offering to pay an employer our Tax as an incentive to employ older Australians has got to be the biggest Joke/rip-off from the Taxation system ever!!!!
    The Employer does not need the subsidy....he needs to be educated on how employing older workers is a smarter move!
    As for the Loyalty factor...forget it....we have been screwed over by the best....and our own Government has abandoned us....No Loyalty factor left in any of us!
    The Government needs to loan the tax subsidy to the over 50's to re- train....re- qualify to meet the Cert 3-4 Level Qualifications that are now a Government requirement!!!!
    And more importantly let them access their Super without penalty....so they can pay loans or mortgages while they do so.....instead of after they go bankrupt from being on the dole for six months!!!!
    Fair......their is no such thing anymore......everyone is behaving like a bunch of Yanks.......stuff you...I'm alright!
    Getting to les and less like Australia and more and more like America
    every day.......might as well become the largest USA State ever......and have no Social Welfare or Medical Services for anyone unemployed!!! Let them all starve eh!!
    particolor
    6th Aug 2014
    9:18am
    Australia is BIGGER than America !! Lets convert them to .."SHE'LL BE RIGHT MATE !!"
    And Hoist The Southern Cross !!....
    Not Senile Yet!
    7th Aug 2014
    6:05pm
    Oh Yes the......" Southern Cross United Independents Party"
    Could see a Landslide election of Independent Members in both houses in the Next Election.
    All they would need for a Policy is......We will reverse all the unfair changes to the Aged Pensioners and the Unemployed Immediately!.....The other one might be...... We will change the MP retirement Super to have exactly the same conditions as every other Super Fund......No access till retirement age.....unless disabled or sick prior to that time! Perhaps another policy.....Any MP convicted/found guilty of Taking a bribe or illegal donations to be elected will be JAILED for 5 years minimum and loos all their Australian tax payer funded components of their super benefits.
    Perhaps another......We will allow all members of our Party to have the right to vote on issues according to their belief of what is in the best interests of the citizens they represent....even if it disagrees with our Policies!
    Would be a Landslide against All the Corrupt Party Machines currently standing.......simply because they are irrelevant to the average person's plight!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    6:32pm
    This lot would send in the Red Coats if they looked like losing an Election !!
    Or start the There will be No Cuts to.....Again !! and Heavy Lifting will be Banned to those over 65 and a Half years old !!..
    Helenc
    7th Aug 2014
    8:52pm
    The government doesn't give a F@CK about workers, the unemployed, young or old!
    Young Simmo
    7th Aug 2014
    8:58pm
    Helenc, I am a bit confused, what is F@CK?
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    9:12pm
    FROGS CROAK ??
    NikNax
    6th Dec 2014
    12:00am
    I agree with Tom Tank and others. Regardless of qualifications or re-tooling you are seen as unemployable. I have submitted well over 40 applications and I cannot see how any reasonable person came up with that figure. I am not on Centrelink and refuse to go that route as I would like to work. We have used up our savings and our families have been assisting lately. While the government thinks the systems are good they are designed to relieve crisis situations and not influence meaningful change. I need capital to start a business but our Super is frozen.

    In terms of education and finances; I have been more fortunate than most and really feel for others in the same situation. I know I have a lot to offer but to spend your day filling out job applications which seldom get acknowledged let alone receiving letter of regret. If you are serious about applying for a position, you need to address the requirements of the position in an application letter and provide examples which take time and definitely not 10 min.

    Frank, the unemployment rate in WA has gone from about 3.7% to 6-6.2%. If you work one day a week you are considered employed and are not included in those statistics; the same is true if you are studying. The figures need to reflect reality for us to see the real impact on the unemployment rate. Being employed 1 day a week is not a liveable wage by any stretch of the imagination. I have also attached and article which describes the gravity of the situation quite well. http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/the-age-of-discrimination-our-unemployed-over55s-20130603-2ngib.html

    If the government is serious, it would provide adequate funding for new small to medium enterprise ventures ($50 000 - $100 000) not insignificant amounts like $12 000 over 12 months. Another alternative would be for them to allow withdrawal of super funds to finance ventures. What will my super help if I die of hunger before retirement age and that’s at 63 not 70? We have become a lost generation.
    Adrianus
    6th Dec 2016
    5:02pm
    NikNax, it would be very unlikely that any government would fund startups with a view to reducing unemployment. Let them put forward a commercial case to existing lenders if they need capital. I don't know, perhaps the ALP would be stupid enough? What we should expect from our government is to make it easier for our existing successful businesses to employ workers.
    I agree with your opinion of the employment statistics. I don't understand why we are not more focussed on number of people working (every man woman and child) and the number not working. The ratio of those numbers is more relevant.

    4th Dec 2016
    1:59am
    If incompetent governance or social evils create a problem, blame and persecute the victim. Heaven forbid society or governments should have to take responsibility for failure! It's just too inconvenient.
    TREBOR
    6th Dec 2016
    3:16pm
    Easy fix - just change it to Mandatory Full Employment for Over Fifties - so they can consolidate for their retirement and not be such a Burden ™ on the Social Security Budget ™.

    Easy fix....

    Chopping at the unemployed - as per my thesis earlier on this site - by ensuring they spend every cent they've got before getting sustenance and then costing them to run arounds fruitlessly to find non-existent jobs - is only postponing the burden on Social Security until their retirement time.

    Create jobs - create real industries - create genuine opportunities..... and favour those with the experience and ability to DO things, not just the current crop of over-fed paper tigers...
    Hobbit
    8th Dec 2016
    10:28am
    On the Sunshine Coast you'd be hard pressed to find 10 vacancies in any one category, let alone 40. So of course, you'd have to make ridiculous applications to meet the quota. It's pointless box ticking and window dressing. Improve the economy and all these problems vanish, trouble is both parties are clueless and fresh out of ideas/plans. So they just window dress, pretend they are doing something, but say it with conviction. It's up to us pensioners to use our wisdom of the years to point this out to the younger folk.
    Priscilla
    21st Dec 2016
    12:00pm
    There are not 40 jobs a month to apply for. This is a con deal to make it impossible for the unemployed to get Newstart allowance. There are at least 99,000 unemployed in W.A! What jobs there are, have been sent offshore e.g. telecommunications, banking, insurance, internet providers, architects and on and on! There would be plenty of jobs if you just bring them back to W.A. What a CROC!
    particolor
    21st Dec 2016
    3:14pm
    I'm finding it Very Difficult to live on the Pension now :-( How the Hell does an old person live on that Dole ??? :-( :-( :-( :-( ??