8th Jan 2015
Terrorist attack in Paris, 12 dead
Terrorist attack in Paris, 12 dead

Masked gunmen, armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and a rocket-launcher, have stormed the Paris offices of the French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing at least 12 and injuring 11 more.

According to witnesses, cited by a police source, the attackers shouted ‘we have avenged the prophet’. In a video filmed from a nearby rooftop, the men can be heard shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ between shots fired. The gunmen hijacked a car and sped away from the scene.

The offices of Charlie Hebdo were the target of a firebomb attack in 2011 in response to cartoons published about the prophet Mohammad. The magazine’s latest tweet was about Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

"This is a terrorist attack, there is no doubt about it," said French President Mr Hollande.

World leaders have condemned the attack.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said, "This abominable act is not only an attack on the lives of French citizens and their security," and "It is also an attack on freedom of speech and the press, core elements of our free democratic culture. In no way can this be justified."

"We stand with the French people in the fight against terror and defending the freedom of the press," said British Prime Minister David Cameron in a message on Twitter.

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Freedom of press under attack

Australians have woken this morning to the tragic news of the shooting deaths of at least 12 people in Paris. The gunmen targeted the Paris office of satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo, which over the past decade, has published cartoons deemed insulting to certain religions. Despite being taken to court under anti-racism laws for cartoons of Mohammad, the magazine continued to publish cartoons depicting the Muslim prophet.

I, like many, find cartoons pictured in the magazine distasteful, but I respect the rights of the journalists and cartoonists to express their views openly. The attack today in Paris is an attack on everyone’s freedom of expression and must be condemned to the fullest degree.

The United Nations' 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference, and impart information and ideas through any media regardless of frontiers”.

A rally has already been organised for this evening in Paris, urging all Parisians to take to the streets for freedom of the press, democracy and the Republic.





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    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    10:45am
    I'm starting to believe what the Guvmint and Media shove down our throats !! We are so proud of our Multi Culturalism !! As long as You Convert to Islam !!
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    10:46am
    PS.. "The Religion of Peace "...Yep !!
    wally
    8th Jan 2015
    11:39am
    You must admit that there are few more peaceful places than a graveyard. BTW, a guy named Hitler was a great promoter of world peace. After he killed off all of the people he disapproved of, that is. Are we seeing a revival of this sort of thinking and mind set in the Middle East by those who would forcible ram "the religion of peace" down our throats on pain of death?
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    12:18pm
    You've got that one right particolor. Apparently the muslim spotfires all over the world do not exist and the religion is benign. The reality is that whilst there are clearly a lot of good muslims the followers are easily led by those who incite these believers to violence. Are there not laws against this? And if so (there is) then why are these laws being ignored?
    I for one have had enough of our politically correct leaders who CHOOSE to ignore the cancer in our society. It is long overdue that a citizenship cancellation policy is developed for use with people who seek to destroy our way of life.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    1:40pm
    parti, it is becoming more apparent that this is not a religion but a brutal political party.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    1:53pm
    Says it al !! Adolf Hitler had a Meeting, during or in the War, and was great Friends with one of these Big Time Muslim leaders in the Middle East ..Find it on You/Tube ..
    I don't know Who gave Who the Brilliant Idea !! But its not very Tasty !! PTOOOY !!
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    1:59pm
    Aligning the terrorist atrocities to all Muslims is akin to aligning the IRA terrorists to all Catholics. A very dangerous and stupid belief.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    2:08pm
    malsi si malsi si malsi
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    2:53pm
    Can you translate..... my Latin only extends to Carpe Diem (Thanks Metallica) and a google search doesn't turn up anything
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    2:56pm
    Frank..ZAKLY ZAKLY ZAKLY !! How long can they hide under a Burqua ???
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    2:58pm
    mano - islam is islam is islam !!
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    3:17pm
    obviously don't know much Latin and even less mirror.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    3:23pm
    Inni Minni Micky !!
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    4:05pm
    Yes parti, very dangerous and very stupid. I agree if that's what you're saying.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    4:25pm
    Why do people keep bringing up Ancient Totally Unrelated Incidents ?? Trying to get peoples minds off what's in hand AT THE MOMENT.... TROLLS !!...
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    6:07pm
    TROLLS??? Wasn't it a Troll that stopped the three billy goat gruffs fron crossing from one side of the valley to those greener pastures on the other side of the valley.
    Sort of like what Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison did. And we all know what the Billy Goat gruff did then.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    7:53pm
    Yes Mango !! I've been away doing Useful things and listening to the Talk Back Radio !! WoW ! Hasn't this Stirred up The Halal Stew !!... I think Aussies are becoming Unimpressed with the Attempted Take Over at last ??..
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    7:57pm
    I just heard one on the Radio that I never thought about !!
    East is East and West is West and Never the Twain Shall Meet !! ..Bears thought once again I think ?
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    8:08pm
    2 More people shot in France !! One a Police Woman !! ..
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    9:50pm
    New ..Now they have Blown up a Kabob Shop next to a Mosque ?? They think it is a Revenge Attack !!.. Sounds like Free Kabobs for Streets around ??
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    11:40am
    And killed another 2,000 in Nigeria.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    11:48am
    Latest News just in ...The International Jihad Movement (Whoever they are ?) has just declared War on the whole World !! How long till Tony tells You ?? Or Mr Mufflerdoch ??...
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    1:11pm
    From what I can understand, the numbers need to be greater to be a real threat, based on posters like HKW and brent71.
    I wonder if you ask any Islamist to rate in order of loyalty the Australian flag? Would it come down the list?
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    1:33pm
    The Black Flag with White Scribble on it rates Number 1 with them Frank !!.
    Our Flag is only good for Burning in the Streets when something doesn't suit them !!
    buby
    28th Jan 2015
    9:47am
    But you know okay there are peaceful muslims, but you know they have children, and then their children get hounded into becoming evil and going off to war in syria, and to carry Kalashnikov, then causing catasrphovies all over the world...... you like you can't control them......but i reckon if they go there they shouldn't be allow back into australia......I feel sorry for the parents, but we too have to care over our children, until they are old enough to understand. So, they are causing havoc with their Kalashnikov, in syria, and the russians causing havoc in Ukraine, I wonder if indeed its at all related???
    Bookworm
    8th Jan 2015
    12:11pm
    As Salman Rushdie declared after this latest massacre, "I stand with Charlie Hedbo...to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity".
    if you murder anyone who makes fun of your ideas, you need to rethink your ideas. "Respect for religion" has become a code phrase meaning "fear of religion". Hopefully these moronic, brainwashed savages will, by their actions, hasten the annihilation of a death cult which will plunge the entire world back to the Dark Ages if allowed to flourish. But it's probably too late. Read Pamela Geller's blog Atlas Shrugs for the real story of what is happening in virtually every country in the world.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    6:37pm
    well said bookworm, we need to fight against this scum or "she won't be right mate"!
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    8:45pm
    Jihad Watch is the Site for Truth and what is going on in world from day to day and almost Instantly !!.. And No I am not on the Payroll ! Just like the Truth Which I don't get in the Newspapers and TV Here in Australia !!..
    And Your Right Trood, It is not "Shell be Right Mate" here anymore !! ..
    He said it again ?? Just go about Your Business as Usual ?? He must live on the Moon ??

    8th Jan 2015
    12:33pm
    Seems the brothers went to Syria and learned the ropes. Again the West has shown that its unwillingness to abrogate the rights of these people has lead to the rights of others being permanently terminated. Too open-handed and prepared to give the benefit of the doubt.

    There should be a mandatory period of quarantine for any who travel to those places.. IF they are to be allowed back in and not have visa/citizenship suspended (you take allegiance to a foreign state without a country - you repudiate your citizenship HERE)..... to ensure they are not now rabid mad dog killers ready to strike. Manus Island sounds good...
    KSS
    8th Jan 2015
    12:59pm
    The Grappler, your idea of quarantine is quite simply unworkable and unenforceable. For how long would they be quarantined? How would you know they now reject the dogma that they once embraced so fully they were prepared to die for it? How would you expect them to prove their new found appreciation of Australia? What guarantees would there be that they are not lying to you to obtain their freedom? After all it has been done before - people constructing falsehoods to obtain residency/citizenship in Western Countries.

    No, I think all passports of those travelling to the conflict areas should be cancelled once they leave Australia. They should not be allowed back at all under any circumstances. And that goes for born and bred Australians who choose to travel to take up the ideology of a foreign state. They have freedom of choice and they choose another place. Good. Let them go but not come back. Pleadings of families for help to find and bring back their adult children should be ignored. Adults have made their own decisions we must respect that. After all we have freedom of thought, speech and actions don't we? And they have rejected that.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    1:17pm
    Islamism is a state without borders.. a state without a national identity.. but still a State in the eyes of its adherents. My view is that anyone who changes allegiance to a foreign state, even one without a national identity such as Islamism, has repudiated his/her Australian citizenship and cannot come back without a visa... which will be automatically refused on the grounds of visiting a known terrorist training ground.

    It is the adherence to a foreign state that is important - not the actual physical presence or otherwise of that State.

    As for detaining potentials.. have you had much to do with this kind of Muslim? they are often so hot-headed, devout and adamant in their own rightness that they would be obvious to the observer. To them, even being detained would be an affront to Islam....
    Tom Tank
    8th Jan 2015
    1:24pm
    I agree with you Grappler.
    This has been proposed as a workable solution recently by some group who work in that particular area but I cannot for the life of me remember their name.

    It is not legally possible to cancel an Australian passport once that individual has left the country using that passport.If that person was actually born here then their citizenship cannot be revoked either. A different story however if they were born overseas and granted citizenship after arrival. It is then possible, I believe, to revoke Australian citizenship and deport them.
    Perhaps someone can clarify that please.
    Tom Tank
    8th Jan 2015
    1:28pm
    To clarify my point my agreement is in quarantining returning IS fighters on their return.
    Grappler's argument re Islam being a State I am not at all sure about. Where does that place Catholics who owe allegiance to the Vatican?
    Young Jewish Australians currently serving in the Israeli army?
    KSS
    8th Jan 2015
    1:39pm
    "As for detaining potentials.. have you had much to do with this kind of Muslim? they are often so hot-headed, devout and adamant in their own rightness that they would be obvious to the observer."

    Just like Man Manis eh? He fooled everyone including that erstwhile organisation Amnesty International without being any of those things you mention that only became apparent some 10 years later. And being a devout follower of any religion does not automatically mean you may become a terrorist.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    1:51pm
    Your idea of citizenship revocation is on the money. But this also needs to apply to local terrorists who commit acts of terrorism in Australia. I am willing to bet if this was in place the crazies would behave themselves lest they be taken back to a place where they can practice their violent ideology.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    2:07pm
    Not to labour the point, Tom.. but the Islamic State knows no current national borders and is considered 'The Kingdom Of God' (ring a bell?). that is precisely why many Muslim countries oppose IS (the name Islamic State says it all). The difference between Catholics and Islamists is that Catholics generally accept the difference between religion and State, whereas Islamists (not necessarily Muslims) consider the religion to BE the State.

    I've studied terrorism/CT etc and global issues.

    Anyway you can see the immense difficulty in even discussing things with such a mindset - their view (not all Muslims) is that OUR side is that of Shaitan since we do not subscribe to a totalitarian religious State, and our very presence on Earth is 'Crusaderism' and a direct attack on Islamism (not necessarily Islam) - which they view in the same light as Islamism.

    Can't win that kind of argument and mindset, which is irreconcilable with our way of life and belief systems.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    2:09pm
    There were many alarm bells with Monis....

    Mick - a spell on Manus should set their minds right..... no ongoing failure to communicate.....
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    9:03am
    Until our home grown terrorists and their local followers are threatened with removal from the country they suck on they will continue to use the system against the rest of us. Removal is the only cure as others wanting their holly war will have to make a decision. Being sent to a third world country is unlikely to be what they really want. Having their terrorist cake and eating it too is.
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    9:54am
    That's a little radical even for you mick?
    Anyway it would never happen, given the degree of difficulty getting the "Foreign Fighters Bill" through the Senate.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    10:05am
    They cant pass that Frank !! It will OFFEND so many !!
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    11:13am
    I wish it was only the "offence" stopping the
    "Foreign Fighters Bill", parti....
    That could be remedied easier
    than changing Labor's ideals.
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    12:47pm
    So, back to the political grooming again miss aisle....or is that Solomon or Frank or a couple of others doubtfuls. Your avatars are well unnderstood by many on this website! Keep your comments on the topic and not on what you are being paid to achieve in the electorate......the blackening of the opposition so that your boss is re-elected.
    As for "radical" I will support "whatever it takes" to safeguard future generations in this country. The trouble with our society is that we have for the most part become politically correct boot kissers who want a pat on the back for repeating the same feel good BS rather than telling the story as it is and offering a real solution.
    We do need to remove citizens who do not want to be Australians as this is what keeps this country strong.........a house divided amongst itself cannot stand.
    It really is a case of for the country or against it. If the latter then go. Lets see if the regime which thr very few want to install here gives their people any rights, gives them free health care, gives them unemployment benefits and gives them a heap of other handouts? We all know that none of these is available, but I guess you can have Sharia law and be murdered for thinking anything other than islamic thoughts and be torched if your husband tires of you...as well as a whole pile of other nasties.
    Boy am I happy to be an Aussie. We may have leaders who seek to run the country into the ground for the sake of a good time while it lasts but very few of us appreciate what we stand to lose by conforming to the political correctness currently doing the rounds.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    1:00pm
    "welcome to Welfaria Mr Sharia !! Take seat and well get You a Centrelink card !!"
    Abby
    12th Jan 2015
    12:01am
    The Grapler
    Why would you want to inflict this scum onto Manus Island ?
    I lived on Manus Island some years ago ...it is a disgrace to what we are doing there.
    We are turning it into a rubish tip ... it saddens me to see pictures from there ...it used to be like paradise on earth.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    12:34pm
    Because of regular "brainwashing" from their book of rules,
    to detest anything & everything other than islam,
    what else can we expect ?
    Recent events are not surprising
    & unless drastic measures are taken,
    this is only the tip of the iceberg.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    1:50pm
    That's right miss aisle. The outcome should not be surprising to anyone except the hard lefties. The question is, what to do about it? Abbott has had some support from Shorten but not enough. People like David Leyonhjelm have proved to be no help at all on this issue.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    1:53pm
    So here we go again. The paid government trolls are back again. Thanks for your input Solomon/frank/miss aisle (all the same poster) and a few others. Hope you had a nice holiday in Liberal Party HQ.
    KSS
    8th Jan 2015
    2:00pm
    Mick why this attack here. You, in your other post above, would seem to agree with them.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    2:25pm
    Just heard Tones on the Radio ACTUALLY Condemning the Act AND Calling a Spade a Spade and called the TERRORISTS ?? Well Ill be Stuffed ??..
    I'm sending Him a complimentary Spray Can of My Patented Muzzy Repellent!! ..
    It puts out a Misty Aroma of Cooked Bacon !!.... "What this ?" "Porktein" "AHH! We've has it !!"
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    2:27pm
    It is the instant leaping to 'hard lefties' - as if somehow by not holding conservative views, a person suddenly loses all humanity, that I believe Mick is objecting to and rightly so.

    Some people are very stupid in that kind of thinking and take any opportunity even now to strike out verbally at 'lefties' etc, and it is offensive to every ordinary person, and especially in this context.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    2:36pm
    KSS - thanks, for outlining what wasn't obvious.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    3:55pm
    KSS, that is the hallmark of the leftie. They simply cannot disagree without being disagreeable.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    4:33pm
    Yes Frank, Even when they do agree,
    they're disagreeable.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    5:00pm
    Yes ..Its like .. Its not that I don't believe You, its just that I think Your Lying !!
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    5:38pm
    It's almost as if a positive attitude momentarily inspires correct posture, then defaults quickly to a left lean before it can be noticed by other comrads.
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    9:06am
    KSS: Its not that I may agree, or otherwise, with the government blog above. Its that I object to those paid by this government putting anything on a public website. It is clear to all of us that the debate is pleasant when the paid government blogger who posts under several names is gone.
    wally
    10th Jan 2015
    5:10pm
    Calling all trolls!
    Beware!
    Mick has put on his new "Fearless Troll Stalker" cap, fired up his calabash pipe and has resumed his quest to hunt down and squash trolls wherever he can find them.
    So don't say you haven't been warned!
    miss aisle
    11th Jan 2015
    1:23pm
    Frank, your excellent description of 8 Jan. 5:38pm
    Would describe mick swaying back & forth !
    As well as countless "doubtful" others !
    klo7
    8th Jan 2015
    12:34pm
    Unfortunately these THUGS are using religion as an excuse for their activities. I wonder if the honest hard working men have similar aspirations.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    1:56pm
    Its a hard one klo7. Genuine citizens always get caught in the crossfire.
    My issue with the Islamic community is that this community knows who the terrorists are but harbors them anyway. This makes the islamic community an accessory to the fact, so it should not take the moral high ground because it is a part of the problem.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    2:03pm
    Just heard the 18 Year old "Mentally Unsound" Terrorist handed himself in to Police for Safe Custody !! I think He got chased down the Street by IRATE Frogs ??
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    3:01pm
    Setting up a defence already, eh? I can't be responsible - I was young and have an IQ of only 83...... so I cant be responsible, eh?

    Perhaps there is a better solution:-

    "Monsieur l'Inspecteur... why was zees suspect shot?"

    "E' resisted arrest!"
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    4:20pm
    Grappler, I think you'll find particolor is trying to be politically correct. The last terrorist we had in OZ was given an IQ test post mortem and found to be mentally unsound which means you cannot be both. I did say last, but news just in.......a man has been taken into custody after running across the lawn toward parliament house waiving a knife. Not sure about the motivation behind that one.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    5:13pm
    I wonder if He had a Beard and was "Mentally Insecure ??".. Or just in a Hurry to carve the Halal Pork Roast ??
    wally
    10th Jan 2015
    5:27pm
    This would not be the first time that renegades, criminals and psychopaths try to use religion as justification for their crimes. Just as most of us would recognize that the wolf in sheep's clothing is in truth a wolf (despite the wolf's pretence of being a sheep) we should recognize the perpetrators of these murderous acts as criminals. Despite what they say in trying to justify their crimes, the fact that they have acted this way brands them as murderous criminals.
    I wonder what opinion the Islamic leaders in France have of the recent crimes of their fellow Muslims?
    Will the local Muslim leadership in France do as the NSW Muslim leaders did in refusing to accept the body of the Martin Place murderer for Islamic burial rites?
    KSS
    8th Jan 2015
    1:07pm
    Interesting Drew you take great pains to state you " find cartoons pictured in the magazine distasteful" yet you have reprinted the image above from David Pope's Twitter account. Are you trying to be deliberately confrontational and provocative? Or is this a case of hypocrisy on your part?

    I defend David Pope's right to draw and publish what he wants but for you to claim "distaste" on one hand and reprint an equally 'distasteful' cartoon on the other is disingenuous at best.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    2:55pm
    Good point, KSS
    wally
    10th Jan 2015
    5:30pm
    Maybe Drew doesn't want unwelcome visitors.
    Kato
    8th Jan 2015
    1:08pm
    Until Muslim countries and Muslim people take direct action against these so called radicals then expect more. And another question mark hanging over the head of our Authorities who know and track these scum by letting them back into there countries you are just as guilty. Australia should not be held ransom to terrorists.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:01pm
    Martin Place was a small beginning. When a significant attack occurs the media will be focussed and the deadbeat politicians from both sides of the political divide will have nowhere to hide. They will have their hands forced but it should not take the loss of life to put a proper solution in place.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    6:22pm
    Only the Independents will survive??
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    12:53pm
    Independents Frank/miss aisle/Solomon and whoever else you are are not stooges who vote as they are instructed. They have the interests of the nation at heart in most cases. They do not routinely turn a blind eye to glaring problems and they cannot easily benefit from corruption as their power is 1 vote. And if the electorate gets a dud then they can easily be removed next election..........just like this malicious government will be sent off shortly.
    So keep up the job Frank and company. Your pay cheque will be stopped shortly and then you can get used to what other )real) real retirees on this website have to contend with.
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    1:19pm
    mick, just who are these faceless Independents you claim are worth their weight in saffron?
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    1:28pm
    I know this is a serious topic, but..
    Frank had to have a chuckle at your comment!
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    1:48pm
    Yes !! He's worth His weight in Sacred Vegemite !!
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:04pm
    Take your pick Frank/miss aisle/etc. Nick Xenophon comes to mind as do a few others. Not one of your employer's team merits a mention as unlike the Xenophon your team is a pack of disreputable liars from what I have seen of them.
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:07pm
    I had to laugh Frank....you writing to yourself and patting yourself on the back. AT least on this occasion you got the name right, unlike one of your previous posts where you fort what avatar you were using and directed the comment back to the Frank poster. Quite funny really but I am sure anybody who saw it knows what you are doing. So how much is your retainer?
    Adrianus
    10th Jan 2015
    6:01pm
    mick, I have asked you this same question 3 times now and as expected each time you roll out nick but say you have a few others up your sleeve. He is the only one isn't he?
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    7:53pm
    I think mick is still in shock from watching that video, Frank.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    10:15am
    I agree. Apart from mick, it would have shocked quite a few people I imagine.
    MICK
    11th Jan 2015
    10:36pm
    Talking to your self (miss aisle) again Frank. The first sign of madness? In your case you answer yourself too: second sign of madness.
    You asked the question Frank/miss aisle so why be upset at the answer. If you want to throw in another Independent who tried to solve a large problem with suffering poker machine addicts whilst your employer and Labor turned their backs then maybe you should look at Andrew Wilkie. Remember? Poker machine reforms. That's right.....trying to help the gambling addicts from ending up in the gutter.
    You wouldn't want to do that if the Pubs and Clubs provide re-election funding would you? Yes, that is your scumbag low life employer. ANd from what I see from your various avatars you are are from the same mould.
    Kato
    8th Jan 2015
    1:13pm
    KSS agree with all of that ban them for good. If they manage to get back in the country grab them at the airport. As one American terrorism expert said on tv you have to go back to the cold war day's no mercy.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    2:37pm
    Perhaps a quiet midnight flit to the Interior and a shallow grave in the desert.... Moscow Rules.. if there is no man, there is no problem.....
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    2:59pm
    Yes that's what this country needs.... a Joseph McCarthy Clone. Well get them all out from under those God damn beds......... or better yet an inquisition.....burn them at the stake until they all confess.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    3:17pm
    Your offer is accepted...... just kidding, Mango... but it is a very real option under some circumstances. I think we need a holding place offshore somewhere with tight security (plenty of sharks around an island), three foot long man-eating crabs outside the wire), and a chance for the possible terrorist to mediate on the potential of his/her sins.

    I'd say many would not make it if they were left there and allowed to run it for themselves with supplies parachuted in once a month or so.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    4:28pm
    This lot now would Terrorize Your Sharks and Crabs !!!
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:08pm
    Kato: and do not let the immigration lawyers to enter the terminal.
    wally
    10th Jan 2015
    5:36pm
    mick, I must disagree with you about letting immigration lawyers into the terminal. Unless you mean that sail lawyers are being herded into the departures part of the terminal with one way tickets to Manus Island.
    MICK
    11th Jan 2015
    10:38pm
    Another troll wally...or are you a part of the frank/miss aisle group? You are beginning to print the same rhetoric.
    Tom Tank
    8th Jan 2015
    1:14pm
    Perhaps a bit of perspective here would not go astray.
    This was an outrageous attack and stands condemned by all but the fanatics who support the likes of IS.
    This does NOT mean that all Muslims share the views of these people. Do all Catholics share the extreme views of the IRA?
    Do all Jews share the sometimes extreme views of Zionists?
    The cartoons which Muslims took exception too would probably not have been allowed to continue to be published if they had've offended Christians, or Jews, in the same manner.
    Please do not be so quick to jump on the anti-Islam bandwagon because of the actions of some crazed crackpots.
    Kato
    8th Jan 2015
    1:28pm
    Tom Tank they don't publish them in Muslim countries. Satire religious or otherwise has been a part of Australian society since print began. Your view defends that they have greater rights than Australian citizens .this attitude tells them we only have to do this or that in the name of religion to be excused. There is no excuse for anyone to commit a crime in another's country. All Muslims should actively defending Australia. If they have adopted this country not turn it into what they have left.
    Wstaton
    8th Jan 2015
    1:32pm
    Maybe true Tom Tank.but the likes of the IRA contained it in their country and bad as they were they were fighting for unification. They were not trying to force their Catholicism on others.

    Zionists even if they have radical views are the same they do not export it and try to force it on other countries.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:08pm
    Tom: muslims take a clear political position when they refuse to report their own criminals. Given that reporting can be anonymous there is no protecting this community from its obvious allegiance.....which is not for the Australian way of life.
    Surely the continuing push for a separate legal system (Sharia Law), polygamy, covering the face of women, making women third class citizens, etc are enough to convince you that these people seek to conquer and instal their (mandatory) religion in our free country.
    I'm sure that you would not think that the rest of the nation would ever enjoy the freedoms we extend to our muslim population should it ever seize power.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    2:14pm
    The Spanish insisted that all muslims convert to Catholicism or leave. During the 15th century around 200,000 muslims left.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    2:26pm
    At least the Spaniards gave them a choice !
    With muslims - it's, do or die.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    2:43pm
    Frank I wrote that on another site and was told to study My History ?? Yeah Ok !!..
    But they never had their Heads removed for not doing so as Islam Demands !! No they went and found another stupid Country with a Welfare Programme for Brain Washed Refusegees and Mental Asylum seekers !!
    Tom Tank
    8th Jan 2015
    2:54pm
    Actually the IRA took outside their country to Britain and did not restrict it to Ireland. Killing cannot be condoned regardless of the reason.

    The Spanish Inquisition was set up to hunt down the Jews in Spain after the Moors (Muslims) left. When the Moors controlled Spain religious tolerance was observed but that changed under the Catholics. Check it out yourself.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    3:33pm
    Who Bloody Cares ?? that was A Million Years ago !! This is Now !! and Urgent !!.
    You cant even go shopping ! You don't know who is near You with "MENTAL ILLNESS"
    ???
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    3:47pm
    That's right parti, these lone wolves are now operating in 3's and hitting soft targets. There is some momentum for a world wide protest by freedom loving people who have had enough of the senseless murder and behaviour modification by the mentally ill. Cripes, we don't know what to call them now without being PI or wrong?
    Pass the Ductape
    8th Jan 2015
    3:54pm
    "Please do not be so quick to jump on the anti-Islam bandwagon because of the actions of some crazed crackpots.".......
    You're right Tom - there isn't quite enough of them here in Australia just yet - but given time and opportunity!? And please don't try to compare radical Muslims with the IRA - it's like trying to compare a the moon to a marble. They're both round, but that's where the similarity ends!
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    10:34am
    Tom, your premise that it has been done before so it's OK to do it again is illogical.
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    11:37am
    Tom, It was repeated on the news several times -

    The religious satire they produced,
    was aimed at ALL religions,
    & used politicans as well !

    The difference is, other religions & govt. parties
    (whether they agreed with the satire, or not)
    believe in freedom of speech!

    And do not kill groups of people
    because of cartoons !

    Believe me, other religions
    are offended as well
    but do NOT RESPOND
    in the same manner.

    Because in general,
    muslims have not lived in a
    democracy, they find it hard
    to grasp onto our way of life.

    Muslims definitely do not agree with a
    democratic govt. for the long term......
    Just, until.............?
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    11:53am
    Yeah ! We know the rest !!
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    12:53pm
    How many muslims staged a protest march in Sydney, which became violent, because of a Hollywood movie. If I recall the numbers were in the 000's with women holding posters "kill all Infidels."
    I think many of us are looking at the facts over a considerable time frame and forming an opinion we would rather not have.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    1:08pm
    They don't have to protest and Burn Our Flag anymore Frank! They have us over a Barrel !!..
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    1:21pm
    They have Bill by the shorten curlies.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    5:56pm
    Goodbye.. Time to leave here !!
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:13pm
    Watch this interview. Recommended for all people who think that the recent attacks are isolated incidents and who believe that Islam is a benign religion:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm

    8th Jan 2015
    1:18pm
    The Islamisation of the West is firmly under way. Constant, unfettered immigration, with ever-lower immigration controls is the trojan horse used by the Islamists, and the sword they wield is terrorism.

    With every terror attack, that is "defending the honour of Allah", comes an increasingly mealy-mouthed response by Western political leaders too frightened to directly address the problem - the problem that Islam is not just a religion.
    Islam is an ingrained culture of violence, murder, suppression and total domination - backed by constant and indiscriminate murder, backed by a God of Hatred. Islam kills more of its own, than any other group.

    The problem is one that is not going to go away. What will happen, if Western political leaders don't take firm action to prevent the totally unfettered spread of Islamisation and its core aim of festering hatred in the West, is that extreme right-wing groups will rapidly gain millions of followers, and civil war will start with indiscriminate bombing of mosques and attacks on anyone recognised as worshipping Islam.

    On that basis, "moderate" Islamics should be fearful of the consequences of ignoring the radicals in their midst, that they constantly tolerate, that they make excuses for, and that they make exceptions for.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    1:25pm
    If only more politicians had your insight & courage !
    EELS
    8th Jan 2015
    2:44pm
    Wow Aaron, you should send a copy of that excellent piece to the heads of a few governments, including ours. They will all know it is true but would never have put it into words themselves and it might give them food for thought.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    4:09pm
    Aaron.. thanks for that !! They Know it and realize it! But they Have Soil inside their Britches now and as usual Wouldn't have a Clue what to do !..They let them in NOT US !! Let them have some Guts and Get them out again !!..Use the Parliamentary Pension Fund to Finance it !!...
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    12:59pm
    Yes Aaron. And don't forget the breeding cycle.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    1:17pm
    4 Wives 40 Young Jihadi's in 10 years Yep !! sounds reasonable !!
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    1:32pm
    Aaron, well said!
    Almost two dozen Labor members listed the same post office box in Auburn as their residential address for close to a year, in the latest evidence fanning allegations of branch stacking in the western Sydney seat.
    Why did Robertson support the Lindt Café terrorist?
    Numerous ALP sources allege the party has ignored the irregularities because opposition leader John Robertson needs to rely on Cr Zraika's block of votes in the ballot, due to take place after the state election.
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    1:46pm
    Eventually, the truth comes out, Frank,
    for all to see !
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    8:37pm
    Robertson asked Social welfare if Man Haron Monis could have access to his kids . You seem to be conveniently forgetting that if the LNP of which Abbott was a senior Minister had done their job in the first place and allowed Iran to deport him when they requested he wouldn't have been here in the first place. Are you suggesting Abbott should resign as well. Frank my friend are a hypocrite and you damn well know it.
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    9:20pm
    mango - you make it sound like Monis was/is the only muslim in Australia with the
    potential for terrorism ?
    We don't have to look too long & hard to find more with the same
    principles. Plenty more where he came from !
    How many thousands of followers did he have on facebook?
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    9:53pm
    mango , while you try to make a political point and insult people by name calling the problem is getting worse.
    I have been thinking a lot about this issue lately and have almost come up with a solution. I think the government may have already thought of this? Not sure. Firstly we need to recognise the problem. This is a problem in it's self, because many people have differing views on this.
    mango I will give you this to sleep on.
    What is the real problem we, the freedom loving western civilisation, face concerning behaviour such as Charlie and Lindt Cafe? If you can come up with the answer to that simple question then we are halfway to solving it.
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    10:57pm
    I don't condone any act of terrorism whether it's the IRA, french agents blowing up a Greenpeace boat or the latest acts of Islamic terror all across the world. As to your first point.
    I'm not name calling Frank. You are in fact being hypocritical in calling for Robertson to resign over the issue while deliberately turning a blind eye to the fact that the LNP of which Abbott was a Senior Minister, gave him protection by refusing to allow Iran to deport him for numerous offences.You can say what you like but that is a fact, is it not. As for the real problem, would this be happening if Bush without any U.N sanction hadn't gone into Iraq after Saddam . I don't think so. So in effect this problem is self inflicted.
    Muslims previously had caliphates and one way or another they have disappeared now they want one back.No different to Israel wanting it's own promised land.I think the point raised by HKW that Israel do not want to see the rise an an independent Islamic state, and they are right to not want it for there own safety ,but now the world has been dragged in to do Israels dirty work and Islamic extremists are exacting there vengeance on all who support Israels objective to deny them there own caliphate. I'd be only too pleased to give them there own caliphate in the middle east and send any Muslims who do not want to embrace Australia's freedoms and laws back there. But denigrating all Muslims as you and your mate miss-aisle appear at times to do is un-Australian.
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    9:29am
    I'm definitely not "un- Australian" mango -
    acturally the very opposite !
    Love Australia & its freedoms
    and want to keep our way of life the way it is.
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:14pm
    Watch this interview. Recommended for all people who think that the recent attacks are isolated incidents and who believe that Islam is a benign religion:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm
    kinkakuji
    8th Jan 2015
    1:24pm
    Have you seen the video , the way the policeman got killed? The ABC won't show it.
    KSS
    8th Jan 2015
    1:44pm
    No because it contradicts their view of the extremists.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    2:45pm
    It's down this page.. but edited out the actual killing of an unarmed man on the ground wounded.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/charlie-hebdo-attack-multiple-fatalities-in-french-newspaper-shooting/story-e6frf7jo-1227177729494?sv=a62c9cf6118583c82ffd51cb042c47ed&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=124479239
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    1:25pm
    It is a far different treatment you receive when you are a true Islamist.
    Several ISIS fighters have returned home to Australia, around 12 apparently. They could be living in a suburb near you or me? But do not worry, they are being monitored like the ones in Paris.
    In 1999, David Hicks converted to Islam and and went off to the ME for some ‘training’ under the name of Muhammed Dawood. He was later reported to have been publicly denounced due to his ‘lack of religious observance.’ Hicks was captured, (found wandering the desert) in Afghanistan by the Afghan Northern Alliance and sold for $5,000 to the United States military.
    My question is....Is there still a dollar to be made here? Or are terrorists now in such great numbers that the market has devalued?
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:10pm
    Straight from Liberal Party headquarters Frank. Can you tell me what document was given to you for this bit?
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    2:12pm
    The 12 would have received a "private" heroes' welcome.
    Financial & moral support would be freely given.

    Frank, At a rough guess, I'd say that the market has devalued.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    2:19pm
    The government's hands are tied under the existing Labor laws. Yes, the market has been flooded.
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    3:03pm
    Well Abbott got rid of the carbon tax quick enough so maybe he just didn't want to change those existing Laws of Labors that you refer to.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    3:17pm
    The Abbott Government also stopped illegal immigration amid the howling protests from Labor/Greens/Unions supporters.
    What exactly is Shorten's position on illegal immigration?
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    7:46pm
    Frank - With terrorism on the rise,
    you'd think the lefties would somehow or someway,
    acknowledge Tony Abbott's stopping illegal immigration.
    Credit where it's due !

    We'd be in a much more frightening situation
    if 2, 3 or 4 boats were arriving every week under Labor !
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    8:08pm
    Shorten thinks he needs to be diplomatic for fear of upsetting 25% of his West Sydney voters. They didn't really want to stop them but just told us they did. Now when Abbott stopped the boats they claim it was their idea. Unbelievable!!!
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:04pm
    Mangomick: so here we go again. Frank/miss aisle (no other avatars at this stage) back into Liberal party propaganda machine mode. It always ends up the same: attack Labor and make a case for how good this government is at any time. But lets not spoil the crap from this poster by the list of lies. It would fill a page.
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    1:37pm
    Yes, miss aisle I shudder to think about that. They would bring this country to it's knees.
    miss aisle
    11th Jan 2015
    8:25am
    What an impact Labor's decisions have made on our country
    & its people.
    NOT stopping the boats &
    SUPPORTING thousands with taxpayers' money,
    ALLOWING them to bring more relatives here;

    DUMPING the temporary visa plan &
    allowing them to become Aussie citizens -
    supporting their multiple wives -

    If Labor ever got back into power -
    UTTER CHAOS would reign !
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    10:47am
    I wonder how many people took up Gillard's offer of joining the "Australia Homestay Network." Supposedly introduced because Labor couldn't build accommodation as fast as they were coming in. Labor was paying $300 per week for each "refugee" you take in. Is it possible that Mustafa and his 4 wives would be living happily on household income of $1500 plus per week? $78,000 minimum per year. With Labor it is always about the transfer of money to their voters.
    particolor
    11th Jan 2015
    11:27am
    Wake up to Yourself Frank !! They would be living in Poverty !! You forgot their 40 + Children training at the Local Madrassa !!
    mangomick
    11th Jan 2015
    1:12pm
    We have had Muslims in this country since the early 1800s. Over 2,000 from Afghanistan arriving between 1870 and 1900. All living here peacefully. If it wasn't for the reckless Foreign Affairs policy that has been adopted by Western Governments in recent times, Australia, as we have in the last 100 years, wouldn't be having any problems with Muslims. It was folly to follow Bush Into Iraq. Particularly seeing we are signatories to the UN and he didn't have any UN mandate. The Middle east has always been a time bomb waiting to happen and Bush Blair and Howard have lit the fuse and now we are all going to feel the blast. Bush along with American Intelligence botched it big time when they though getting rid of Saddam was the answer and our Government was naive enough to follow.
    Don't know how you work your maths frank but If I took in Mustafa and his 4 wives I would be getting the $1500 a week and not him. If you have Mustafas number let us have it, I have a few spare rooms and I could do with the $78000 extra.
    miss aisle
    11th Jan 2015
    1:45pm
    Wow, ..Frank, and that's $78,000 for just one family !
    Between that & the certified food -
    No wonder I saw a muslim woman driving a NEW mercedes (at the supermarket) !
    particolor
    11th Jan 2015
    2:00pm
    With a bumper Sticker !! " MY OTHER CAR IS A MASURATTI !!"
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    4:02pm
    mango, you may not have noticed but the boats have stopped and in any case this was a policy of the Labor government.
    mangomick
    11th Jan 2015
    6:21pm
    The woman driving the Mercedes was no doubt a Female Muslim Doctor of which we now have many Muslim doctors. Wonder if you were sick whether your bias would stretch so far as to deny yourself of their skills. I imagine not........That is what is so hypocritical of you lot....
    What's this Frank ??? I guess you are praising Labor and their policy that all along you have been giving credit to Morrison for??? . Mick will be pleased to hear that.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    6:26pm
    Mango, I was referring to the "Australia Homestay Network." Don't you have something better to do while you're at work?
    mangomick
    11th Jan 2015
    8:02pm
    No Frank...it's been a quiet night so far and I've run out of reading material.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    8:10pm
    Try mick, he is a lot easier to bait. I am feeling too sad about this subject and for those who have lost their lives.
    mangomick
    11th Jan 2015
    8:57pm
    Don't know about that Frank. if you were a trout you would have been in the creel long ago :-)
    Don't forget to shed a tear for all those innocent little kids who are doomed to spend their young lives trying to survive in refugee camps in the middle east.
    miss aisle
    11th Jan 2015
    11:56pm
    mango - "the woman driving the mercedes was no doubt..." ??
    Just unable to stop yourself from, not just assuming, but have no doubt !!

    And "praising labor.." ?? What? You twist stories to suit yourself !

    No need to pounce on every comment
    written by people you don't seem to like, mango.

    Between your assumptions & more snide remarks,
    you appear to be angry & insecure,
    & maybe you have too much time on your hands.
    mangomick
    12th Jan 2015
    12:18am
    miss-aisle out of your hole again, going out of your way, saying nothing intelligent or constructive just trying to antagonise people so you can get your jollies off . You really are a sad old thing. I should feel sorry for you but you really aren't worth the time of day. What a sad old thing you really are.........
    miss aisle
    12th Jan 2015
    12:28am
    There you go assuming again ! I'm definitely not sad mango.
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2015
    9:11am
    mango, you must have some insecurities to be using that sort of language? It doesn't look good mate. Seriously, don't you have any pride in yourself? Sitting in your office in the middle of Gladstone with nothing to do is not healthy. Outside the machinery is deafening, the lights are strong and create a false daylight. Does it ever stop you ask? I know it's not a pretty picture, but nastiness toward others will not make you feel better.
    mangomick
    12th Jan 2015
    11:53am
    What sort of language are you referring to Frank? I think your girlfriend needs to take a long hard look at herself and stop going out of her way just to niggle people.
    Have a constructive look at her antagonizing statements.
    You mention something ridiculous about the home-stay project insinuating that each Muslim gets $300 a week rather than the owner of the premises who are putting them up and then she immediately assumes that the Muslim women driving the Mercedes has her Mercededs because of this fictional $78000 you reckon Mustafa and co get. When I suggest she may have been a Muslim Doctor she then begins her rant about me assuming.
    Mate you have got to stop defending this whacko otherwise I'm going to think old mick is on the money and you and miss-aisle are just the same twisted demented person. You both have a nice day.....
    miss aisle
    12th Jan 2015
    1:54pm
    mango - try an anger management course.
    You're getting all mixed up in your anger.

    Name calling, mixed up messages, ??
    And You seem to be describing your own comments ??

    You're putting too much "power" into my comments.

    Anger management - & you will have a nice day too !
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2015
    2:48pm
    mango, use your logic. Who do you think would take up Labor's "Australia Homestay Network?"
    I am willing to cut you some slack this time because your circadian rhythm is probably out of wack due to reduced levels of melatonin. I don't know if you recall but I previously mentioned the extremely high rate of cancer there which could be due to the strong lights at night.
    Old mick works for Get Up so he will try his best to discredit anyone who has a pro government view. Mango, if you were to come forth with a similar logic to miss aisle's then I would be more agreeable with you.
    bartpcb
    8th Jan 2015
    1:26pm
    The committed act was unforgivable, and the perpertrators should be hunted down and executed. However, I would like to see the 'Christian religious bodies' reaction to this magazines taking the piss out of Jesus Christ or Jehovah or Yahweh!! I have little doubt that there would be lunatic fanatics in all factions of fundemental christianity, that would see themselves as the 'voice and hand of God' and be able to justify in their own self-righteous minds that any action they took was 'justifiable'. It is time that the media adjusted their application of 'freedom of speech and expression'.
    Kato
    8th Jan 2015
    1:32pm
    Look to America and see how many crimes are committed under the name of Christ? To many .
    Bookworm
    8th Jan 2015
    1:49pm
    Yes, bartpcb, I well remember the fundamentalist Christians rampaging and killing when Monty Python's The Life of Brian came out - not! Most of us had a good laugh and got on with our lives. Unfortunately the continuing belief in a sky god by so many people in the 21st century is a fairy tale that belongs with the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:14pm
    Come on bartpcb.
    Christians, or those who purport to be so, would write a lot and be very vocal but only islamic worshippers shoot up the homes of people who make anti islamic statements, put out fatmas on them, incite jihad or even kill them. If you think otherwise then you must be a politician.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    5:21pm
    Islam thinks the Whole World is the OK Coral !!
    Innyoo
    8th Jan 2015
    9:51pm
    actually Christians are called all sorts of names, and mocked in all sorts of ways, but do not sue in court , or kill those who offend. How often do you hear people use Jesus Christ as a swear word, its not our problem, so we don't have to punish people for that, God has said He will take care of that. What we do is all we have to be concerned about.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    9:57pm
    Yes but all I ever saw was ..Though shalt not take the Lords name in Vain !! And I think that refers to God not Jesus ??... They can call Me any name they Bloody well like !! I just look at them like the Filth they are !! I'm not allowed to comment back or I'm Racist ??????..WTF ????
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:10pm
    I saw a report last night which highlighted regarding the French satirical paper where 12 journos were massacred by islamic rodents. Apparently this publication was fire bombed by islamic terrorists previously for running a cartoon satirising their prophet. Yesterday's slaughter was for an anti islamic story.
    It should be getting clearer, even for the do gooders who cause so much harm through their beliefs, western nations have to act. This is not a problem of the few. It is a problem of the (islamic) majority SUPPORTING the few. If it is not so then let this community dob in their own terrorists and solve the problem. THEY WON'T. And so by necessity they are a part of the problem.
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    1:22pm
    mick - your words are starting to make to sense!
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    1:27pm
    You were lucky That story even got Leaked here Mick Mr Mufflerdoch has to edit all that stuff out !!..must be Slipping ??
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    1:43pm
    mick, may I suggest you calm down and have a rest? Your posts are becoming increasingly difficult to decipher. What "do gooders?" I thought the only "do gooders" were the Independents?
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:15pm
    Watch this interview. Recommended for all people who think that the recent attacks are isolated incidents and who believe that Islam is a benign religion:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm
    brent71
    8th Jan 2015
    1:58pm
    It is quite disturbing to see the level of religious intolerance portrayed in many of these comments. While no one denies that Islamic extremism is a major problem it is by no means the position of the majority of Muslims. Ignorance and prejudice breed intolerance. It portrays a completely distorted view of reality. It is beyond me how a person can actually believe that 'all' Muslims are obviously a problem based upon the insane actions of a minority of right wing extremists? Religion in unto itself poses no threat to anyone. It is the actions and behaviour of those that choose to use it as a form of justification for violence and hatred of others that is the problem. I find it quite perplexing that people place so much emphasis on the violent actions conducted by terrorists when it makes up such a small proportion of the overall violence commited in our society. Regardless of the belief system or motivation behind the act it is the violence that it is problem. To the unfortunate victims and their families it is of little relevance as to whether the perpetrator is Muslim, Christian or believes in the occult. The outcome is the same. In Australia alone an examination of our own history of mass murder could easily lead one to the conclusion that Chrisitanity should be banned and all Anglo Europeans should be immediately removed from the country.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:17pm
    Nothing at all to do with "religious intolerance".
    This is about not being politically correct whilst some within our borders seek to bring the nation down and replace it with their own violent archaic and intolerant system.....the very reason why many of our new Australians fled their own homeland....and now wanting to destroy ours.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    2:21pm
    What's much more disturbing, brent71
    are the killings of innocent people, -
    (you will never see a protest of " moderate " muslims taking action
    against these killings)
    Moderates will continue to support terrorists
    morally, financially & with silence.
    Many more acts of terror are yet to be experienced,
    world-wide.
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    2:22pm
    Exactly brent 71.
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    2:33pm
    I think you are speaking too soon miss-aisle. The call has already gone out for Muslims in Paris to come out and protest about the attack.
    I guess we will see if Moderate Muslims are really in sympathy with the attacks or not. As you said you will never see a protest of "moderate Muslims taking action it will be interesting to see if you like the taste of humble Pie.
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    2:45pm
    You're just unable to respond to me without a snide comment, mango.
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    3:10pm
    Hardly a snide remark. I am merely making you aware of a press release saying that a Muslim cleric has urged all moderate Muslims to taker to the streets of Paris and protest at the actions of those terrorists who committed the atrocities.
    This article is great for you to vent all the hatred you have towards Muslims and you can do it now and actually stay on Topic. No you go your hardest dear.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    3:20pm
    Brent !! How many Minority Extremists do You want ?? When a Country goes to war The Whole Bloody Country doesn't go ?? They only send their Soldiers ! And that's what the Hood Winked Western Country's have NOW !!
    Tom Tank
    8th Jan 2015
    3:31pm
    At last a breath of commonsense and moderation. Thank you Brent71.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    3:33pm
    brent, I wish you would expand on why you are defending a group which has killed tens of thousands of innocent people and sold many women into sex slavery?
    Would you have the freedom loving world wait until the numbers grow to what level?
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    4:42pm
    I repeat mango, You just don't think you have enough "clout"
    unless you resort to childish snide remarks.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    6:28pm
    "Ignorance and prejudice breed intolerance."

    So too does the murder of innocent people.
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    8:10pm
    Sorry miss-aisle, did you say something???
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    11:03pm
    Mango - You're obviously deaf as well as dumb!
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:14pm
    miss aisle: you need to be removed from this website. It is not bad enough that you hurl insults at another poster but your repeated political agenda and the fact that you are actually the same person as other supposed different posters should see you gone.
    This website is a pleasant place when you and all your avatars are not present.

    mangomick: don't get upset mate. You are experiencing the Liberal Party (paid) stooges at work.
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    1:18pm
    I'm sure mango feels better now, mick, with you looking out for him.
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    1:59pm
    mick you have a strange logic? You defend freedom of speech but it seems only if you agree with the content? You are the biggest cyber bully I have encountered. It does not surprise me that you are a Labor faithful.
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    7:56pm
    well miss-aisle If I had been married to you........ being deaf and dumb would have been a bloody godsend..........
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    9:07pm
    I would never marry someone who is unable to make a point
    without resorting to snide remarks
    to make his case stronger.

    On the other hand,
    someone with self confidence
    knows he has enough "strength"
    in his argument,
    not to need to resort to
    childish, insecure, snide remarks.

    Also, in case you didn't realize, mango,
    I used "deaf & dumb" as a pun !
    And did not use "dumb" as someone who
    is unable to speak !!
    (You did google "malsi si....." & asked for a transalation!!

    In future it would benefit you if you stopped with snide comments
    & just concentrated on the topic or topics. ??
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    10:14pm
    Actually you tried to use deaf and dumb as an insult. When it comes to snide remarks you have a very selective memory. You have been directing plenty of snide remarks at other members and also at Muslims in general and try to justify that as a stand against terrorism. You appear to be a very vindictive person and seem to just go out of your way to stir people up to get your jollies off.You are the last person who should be lecturing about staying on the topic as i pointed out to you when you went off on your merry little way, Muslim bashing when the topic was about Abbott's cabinet shuffle.Learn to practice what you try to preach.
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    11:30pm
    Are you ready for humble pie, mango ?
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    9:39am
    Mango, I think your best talent is your colourful imagination.
    People dealing with reality, deal with real issues.
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:15pm
    Watch this interview. Recommended for all people who think that the recent attacks are isolated incidents and who believe that Islam is a benign religion:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm
    wally
    10th Jan 2015
    5:50pm
    brent, do your comments about Islamic extremism apply to what happened in regard to the murder and kidnapping of school children in Northern Nigeria? Or the similar Islamic practice of ethnic cleansing against the Christian villagers in Dofar and South Sudan? Can you provide any details of how the Muslim majority in Sudan or north Nigeria condemn the actions of the criminal actions of the local gangs of fanatics in those parts of Africa?
    pate
    8th Jan 2015
    2:00pm
    A bunch of idiots self proclaimed God fearing nuts. Terrorists and not all that different to the nutter who held police at bay in Sydney recently. President Obama called it correct in my view whem je said they are cowards.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:19pm
    So would you embrace a serial killer who mutilated his victims? What is so different about the current debate where our way of life is under attack?
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    3:21pm
    chicken liver.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    3:28pm
    Pigs Trotters !!
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:15pm
    I'll trump that parti.....(silence of the) lambs.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    1:39pm
    The ROAR of the BEAST !!
    MICK
    11th Jan 2015
    10:42pm
    Don't know why we bother parti. Looks like this website is used by at least one political troll working for his boss under multiple names. Methinks most of the real users are giving up trying to have a conversation with this person/persons. Maybe if the pay is good we could join them?????
    Polly Esther
    8th Jan 2015
    2:11pm
    Saladin, Richard and the Crusades, it's interesting reading, it being but a chapter in the worlds history, its present time and continuing into the future. For nigh on nine hundred and so years blood has been spilt world wide for the Christian versus Islam idealism and unfortunately it is not going to end anytime soon. If only some peoples of the present time would study this part of history and learn lessons from it and implement the lessons learned, only then may we find a way, and or a means of, ending it.
    Perhaps even, it could come from the power of prayer, and by that I mean, it's certain a lot of people are not practising what they are preaching, well all else is definitely failing.
    Bookworm
    8th Jan 2015
    2:35pm
    yeah, the good old power of prayer - really helped those millions slaughtered by the Germans in their death camps.

    8th Jan 2015
    2:46pm
    Just to add a little petrol to the fire:-

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/paris-terror-at-charlie-hebdo-newspaper-aussies-justify-attack/story-fni0fiyv-1227178200371
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    3:44pm
    Don't beat around Your little Petrol fire !! go to... Jihad Watch... To see what's really Going On in the World !!..You'll learn NOTHING in our MEDIA !!
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    5:03pm
    more petrol.... could this be why labor want desperately to hold onto 18c in it's current context?
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    5:09pm
    The Big Talk today is WHY are people in the Bush STILL Getting Ripped Off for petrol When its Cheap in the City ????
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    6:05pm
    My guess is, the price is dropping so fast that sales have been slow and high priced fuel is still at the pump? Or the retailers have learnt from the banks and how slow they move when cost of M1 drops. Maybe both of the above? Don't really know?
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:17pm
    Grappler: note Liberal Party employee Frank again posting.
    Adrianus
    10th Jan 2015
    9:06am
    mick, for the last time, I am not a member of the Liberal Party and never have been. So you can stop your childish remarks.
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    9:44am
    And mick, The same goes for me.
    I also, am not a member of the Liberal Party & never have been.
    mick, you're not achieving anything
    except making yourself look crazy.
    MICK
    11th Jan 2015
    10:44pm
    Grappler: notice the denials. Frank, miss aisle and probably a few others are at work. I wonder what the Liberal Party is paying. Come on guys, how much?
    Ruthie
    8th Jan 2015
    3:03pm
    Interesting isn't it? Abbott, this morning said all Australians condemn this action. All Australians? I don't think so! Abbott also mad the point about journalism having the freedom to express views. Another strange statement seeing his government is threatening journalists with jail for simply doing their job.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    3:10pm
    I think Tones needs Reprogramming ??
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    3:19pm
    Not for doing their job Ruthie, for knowingly committing an act of treason and giving up fellow Australian's.
    HKW
    8th Jan 2015
    8:10pm
    Firstly, ask the question; "Who owns the press".

    When you find out, then all pieces fall into the right place.....

    It's all about misinformation, brainwashing and mind control to control....YOU!
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    8:25pm
    That is EXACTLY Right HKW !! I don't get My News from Australia it is 5h1t !! Like listening to Fairy Tales !!
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    10:49pm
    I am not controlled, I only take notice of the ABC, Guardian and Fairfax. I don't want to be controlled by the media. I was brainwashed once about 30 years ago. I found myself at a cocktail party with a bunch of journos. Horrible feeling. Took me a whole week of deradicalisation.
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:20pm
    Ruthie: some very very pertinent observations. Whilst the above paid troll is at work the rest of us understand that the media is for the most part highly controlled and that this government speaks for very few of us indeed. If Tony Abbott thinks that he is going to make a few converts with that sort of rhetoric he needs to think again. Next election he is out and no amount of trolling by employees like Frank is going to change that. We all know.
    Sen.Cit.90
    8th Jan 2015
    4:23pm
    Mick: After reading all the comments on this subject I found myself agreeing with nearly all your reply comments; except for the out of context. Quote "So here we go again. The paid government trolls are back again. Thanks for your input Solomon/frank/miss aisle (all the same poster) and a few others. Hope you had a nice holiday in Liberal Party HQ".
    I really think your little more than a S**t stirer
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    4:40pm
    Yes ! Mesmerizing them with a Baffling Smutty Reply works Better Mick !!
    miss aisle
    8th Jan 2015
    4:56pm
    Sen.Cit.84 I'm glad some can look beyond the b.s.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    5:31pm
    I would ignore mick, guys.
    Anyone who says anything positive about all the good work this government is doing is a liberal plant according to mick.
    Everyone here is voicing their private opinion, irrespective of who they are employed by.
    mick appears to be a die hard labor party supporter, probably been a civil servant or union leader living off the public teat all his life
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    5:50pm
    mick is disappointed at his lack of success. He is using this site to bolster political support for labor. He is a self confessed ex politician, but my guess is a ex Union Boss.
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:28pm
    SenCit.84: sorry you think that way mate. The reason I have reached the conclusion I have is from over a year on this website. The way ALL of the above bloggers write and what they do must be pretty clear:

    1. they attack Labor whenever they can, even if a topic is not related to politics.
    2. when Abbott and his government have negative press they do a back slapping exercise.
    3. I have caught out two of the above previously. The first was where Solomon ADMITTED that he was paid a "retainer from the Liberal party for services rendered". Need I say more. The second was where Frank was was making a response to miss aisle and forgot which avatar he was using and then directed (by name) the comment to himself.
    On this matter Sen.Cit.84 I am definitely not S**t Stirer. I have kept the evidence and have sent it to the webmaster. The reporters would be aware of the issue but have not acted on it.
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    1:42pm
    Oh mick, if you could manufacture goods,
    like you're able to manufacture ""truth"",
    you would be a wealthy man !
    MICK
    11th Jan 2015
    10:44pm
    I am on the money and I know a crook when I meet one.
    HKW
    8th Jan 2015
    5:06pm
    Really?
    Or another provocative false flag attack in order to create more hatred towards Muslims and gain sympathy for the so called 'war on terror" that 'must' continue and be supported with taxpayers money.
    hmmm.......

    Don't buy it.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    5:28pm
    You are loving in la la land.
    As Tony said - ALL Australians condemn this.

    Labor needs to take a good hard look at itself for not backing the governments tough stance on terror and illegal boats
    Kato
    8th Jan 2015
    6:14pm
    Yes Bill Shorten better get a grip and stop pandering to minorities. And come up with some original ideas of his own if capable.
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    6:33pm
    Labor needs to take a long hard look at itself??? The largest Spike in migration from the middle east began in 75 -77 when the LNP were in power. The next largest was under Hawke in 87. Always good to try to blame Labor I suppose.
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    7:45pm
    mango, why are you going back 40 years? It's only become an issue since the Hilton Hotel, Turkish Embassy bombings etc.
    HKW
    8th Jan 2015
    7:59pm
    I don't need Tony to speak on my behalf.

    I'm well aware of what is really going on.....
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    9:48pm
    Well frank if you believe there is a problem you need to go and look for the root cause. Solomon is quick to place the blame wholly on Labor when in fact all parties have been quick to embrace immigration from the Middle East. Now if you and your detractors of the idea of middle east immigration want to lay blame at least be fair about it. fact is our one and only terrorist today was allowed to stay here because the LNP under Howard would not allow him to be deported back to Iran . That my friend is a fact. Also immigration from the middle east started in earnest under the LNP government in the 75 to 77 era. It don't matter how much lipstick you put on a pig at the end of the day it's still going to be a pig.
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    10:02pm
    Just because Your Dog has Puppies in the Stables doesn't make the Horses, Frank !!
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    10:45pm
    Stupid Keyboar.. make them Horses
    Adrianus
    8th Jan 2015
    11:15pm
    I still think Robertson should have resigned altogether.
    I was pleased to hear that Amnesty International now have revised strategies in place for dealing with people like Man Monis. In future they will check on stories for any sign of fact before lobbying on his behalf. I wonder if the Labor MP's will take their lead?
    MICK
    9th Jan 2015
    1:34pm
    Solomon/frank miss aisle: ALL Liberal Party trolls paid to write what they write. See it for what it is!

    HKW: I agree with you on the 'war on terror'. That was a US led war to shore up oil reserves. Nothing else. But the current issue before us and the rest of the western world is one of islam having penetrated western culture and now wanting to set up their own state where, eventually, we will have few freedoms and will be required to conform to THEIR SHARIA LAW and all that we hate. You need to confront the difference. It is real and it is frightening. We cannot ignore this like you propose.
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:17pm
    Watch this interview. Recommended for all people who think that the recent attacks are isolated incidents and who believe that Islam is a benign religion:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm
    brent71
    8th Jan 2015
    5:33pm
    In response to comments of posted by Frank and particolor to my previous comment;
    Frank - not sure in what way you believe I am 'defending' extremists? Unfortunately I believe you perceive my hatred of bigots and racists as being supportive of murderers. I am also interested in exactly what measures you propose to deal with the threat of terrorism that agencies all around the world are not already doing? Perhaps 'ethnic cleansing'!? Do you honestly believe that everyone including our own intelligence services and special forces are sitting ideally by and doing nothing? It is certainly my understanding that we currently have SAS and Commandos in Iraq at this very moment assisting with operations against ISIS. I am also confused that if Muslims are such threat given that there are 1.6 billion of them in the world why they havent just wiped out the rest of us heathen non believers(I a personally an agnostic so I would surely be one of the first in line).
    In response to particolor - At what point did I say I wanted any minority extremists? Was I any way suggesting that we shouldn't look at a variety of avenues to reduce acts of terrorism? You also appear to be suggesting through your 'soldiers' analogy that Muslims are perhaps building some type of secret 'sleeper cell' that they will one day unleash upon western civilisation? Perhaps that is why they send so many of those annoying refugees over on the boats all the time? If that is the case we can thank God(or Allah) that we are all protected by offshore detention!
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    9:25am
    So You don't think I'm Right ?.. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion !..
    Some of them are So Mentally Disfigured in the Head they cant wait for the Orders !!
    See the only bit of News we are allowed here!! Australian? ER !! Islamic Supporters condone Paris Attacks !! for the Honour of their Profit Mohamhead !!
    Adrianus
    9th Jan 2015
    10:24am
    brent, your hatred of bigots and racists is obiously clouding your judgement. The situation has progressed to the point that it is no longer acceptable to murder innocent people, and to justify this barbaric act as being in the name of God.
    Your post of 8th Jan 2015 1:58pm appeared to be accepting of complete submission.
    "religious intolerance "
    "by no means the position of the majority of Muslims" you have evidence?
    "the insane actions of a minority of right wing extremists" only a minor issue?
    "Religion in unto itself poses no threat to anyone." Have you read the Quran or Hadith? Remember the Jonestown massacre?
    " I find it quite perplexing that people place so much emphasis on the violent actions conducted by terrorists when it makes up such a small proportion of the overall violence commited in our society" Could it be the shock factor? Or perhaps the rate of increase? still perplexed?
    " In Australia alone an examination of our own history of mass murder could easily lead one to the conclusion that Chrisitanity should be banned and all Anglo Europeans should be immediately removed from the country." Is it OK if we move on to a better world?
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:17pm
    Watch this interview. Recommended for all people who think that the recent attacks are isolated incidents and who believe that Islam is a benign religion:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm
    russ274
    8th Jan 2015
    6:43pm
    I have just watched a powerful movie that I think is required watching Title is "Unthinkable"
    Just shows what lengths these fanatics will resort to
    russ274
    8th Jan 2015
    6:44pm
    There are people like this in the world unfortunately
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    7:49pm
    Yes I know plenty of labor supporters who fit the bill
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:19pm
    And here you have the next uncalled for anti Labor comment, out of context, and from a known Liberal Party employee working on this site.
    mangomick
    8th Jan 2015
    10:09pm
    January is Pork & Ham month in the ExplorOz recipe section -. Post your recipe ideas to their Pork & Ham section during the month of January to go in the draw to win a pair of Sunwise Supreme sunglasses.
    I'm going to let all my Muslim friends know as well.
    particolor
    9th Jan 2015
    9:39am
    How Halal of You !! :-)
    Twila
    9th Jan 2015
    10:27pm
    Mangomick,

    Can you support your comments with actual facts from valid, disinterested sources regarding the power of Jews in the USA?

    Anyone - and they do - can make statements about any group. This is the entire problem.

    As for the IRA, I recall attending a St Patrick's function in Australia some years ago. Among those collecting for different groups, were those collecting for the IRA. I do not know whether they collected a lot of money, but certainly no one objected to their presence.
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    11:12pm
    Twila are you saying that the American Israel Public affairs Committee isn't that powerful? It seems to have prominence in all of the clips of U.S politicians giving speeches in this clip.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufRwQFHPO0
    HKW
    8th Jan 2015
    10:32pm
    Charlie Hebdo has reportedly made fun also of the Mossad agent Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (Simon Elliot).
    And it was that Mossad reportedly wants revenge for:
    - French MPs voting in favour of a Palestinian state.
    - France voting against Israel at the UN.
    The objective of the attack is to turn public opinion in favour of Israel.
    Completely blatant and transparent false flag terror, attack appears to be real and common sense indicates this is a direct response to the French vote in favour of Palestine at the UN.
    The objective could also include turning public attention away from the sex slave scandal involving very prominent world's figures such as: Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Jeff Epstein and Alan Dershowitz.
    This is a heinous attack on the French state and there is only one realistic suspect; Israel.
    Just as three Malaysian airliners being downed in a year for that countries support of Palestine and its finding that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by, among others: Israel.
    Coincidence?
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    10:38pm
    Absolute hogwash
    Spoken like a true anti semite
    particolor
    8th Jan 2015
    10:51pm
    Free Kabobs near the Mosque in France Solomon !! I think Chalie Hebdo made fun of anyone who was fair Game !! but the Muzzos don't need any excuse to Kill anyone !
    HKW
    9th Jan 2015
    8:31am
    I'm not anti-semite.
    I'm anti-israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oO0_1oS_oU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzzFr_VytA0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLTqo4jEK4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvBzNN0tb8E

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwR0jT5R0P8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTnHcHsUNM0
    HKW
    9th Jan 2015
    8:39am
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE
    miss aisle
    9th Jan 2015
    9:19am
    Your obsession with anything to do with Israel
    is clouding your judgement
    in the extreme.

    Anyone can make biased videos !
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    7:19pm
    Interesting to note that almost all the media in America is controlled by people of Jewish descent and that people of Jewish descent amount for only 2% of the entire American population.
    Although they only comprise of 2% of the population 10% of Senators are Jewish descent and 33% of Supreme Court Judges are as well. As many americans admit Jewish Interests influence American Policy and yet Israel has no Strategic worth to the U.S.A. Almost every major Political candidate has met with AIPAC. The most powerful lobby in Washington.
    And as goes America so goes australia. Whose Interests are we really serving???
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    8:26pm
    When any minority group of 2% of a population contribute 50% of campaign funds helping to put those in power who are sympathetic to their cause, it is fair for the mothers, fathers, wives and husbands of those 5000 soldiers who have been killed since 2001to ask, " who's interests do Americans sons and daughters really serve." How much longer will young Americans be fighting Israels wars ? Given the power and wealth that Israeli supporters have in the States, (representing 40% of all the billionaires and 45% of Forbes 40 richest list and most of the media outlets) Americans and the world will be fed whatever line is deemed suitable to advance their cause. This turmoil will be going on for some time I imagine.
    Twila
    9th Jan 2015
    10:33pm
    HKW,

    What utter rubbish! Completely delusional! Barking mad comes to mind!

    Are you writing from home, or a high care facility?
    mangomick
    9th Jan 2015
    11:18pm
    Twila refer to my comments above in relation to the American Israel Public affairs Committee and their prominence in that clip at all of the political speakers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufRwQFHPO0
    The AIPAC motif is fairly visible for a small group with no vested interest wouldn't you say. How many different high profile politicians do you count and how many times do you see the motif. Do you see any other motifs there at all?
    Go back to sticking your head in the sand.
    Twila
    10th Jan 2015
    8:25pm
    mangomick,

    A single clip!!

    Exactly what influence does Israel have with a total population (including Arabs and others) of 13m. and no natural resources to speak of.

    For real influence look at the oil lobby.

    Saudi Arabia funds US university departments ... and ...
    mangomick
    10th Jan 2015
    8:55pm
    Perhaps Twila you should go to the AIPAC website. It states AIPAC empowers pro-Israel activists across all ages, religions and races to be politically engaged and build relationships with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle to promote the U.S.-Israel relationship.
    Describing itself as "America's Pro-Israel Lobby" AIPAC has more than 100,000 members, seventeen regional offices, and "a vast pool of donors." It has been called "the most important organization affecting America's relationship with Israel," and one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the United States. The group does not raise funds for political candidates itself, but helps organize to channel money to candidates.
    HKW
    11th Jan 2015
    11:54am
    Bravo mangomick, you are well aware ! :)

    To add to it, that most of those you mentioned in your posts are also dual citizens and loyal only to one country, the illegal state of israel.

    This Charlie Hebdo attack is of no benefit to both the French and the Muslims. Only Israel Zionists benefit from this.
    The Mossad is going to continue spreading terror and pretending that it is extremist Islam who did this and the sheeple will swallow it all hook, line and sinker.

    Just like what happened on 911 and Jewish art students and others were caught who worked for the Mossad and sent back home to Israel without a peep. We all know that it was an “inside job” - anybody normal knows that and only the sleeping sheeple don’t believe any of the real truth.

    That’s a scaremongering tactics applied unscrupulously and boldly with the aim to make us afraid and keep our mouth shut!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL048x4msM
    particolor
    11th Jan 2015
    12:07pm
    Beware of Things wearing Tents !!..
    Girl blows Up Killing 19 Innocent People in Algeria.. 10 Year old ??. "Religion of Peace" ??
    mangomick
    11th Jan 2015
    12:39pm
    Hey...I know an ex girlfriend who wears tents. Not that she is Muslim. It's just that she has let herself go......... a fair bit .
    Mmmm.........thinking back......Beware of things wearing tents!!..
    miss aisle
    11th Jan 2015
    1:12pm
    parti, I'll be wary of anything that's covered up !
    particolor
    11th Jan 2015
    1:27pm
    That's Good !! You've Given Up Australian Newspapers and Television !!
    MICK
    11th Jan 2015
    10:47pm
    "I'l be wary of anything that's covered up"...........very funny Frank/miss aisle/etc. Your employer and his cronies are experts at covering up. And so are you.
    HKW
    10th Jan 2015
    10:34am
    France set off a stampede when its lower house voted to recognise Palestine.
    Now Palestine is in the International Criminal Court, poised to take down Israel for genocide.
    Suddenly “Islamic terror strikes France.”
    Is Paris being punished for its pro-Palestine vote?

    In late 2013, Malaysia’s Kuala Lumpur Tribunal found Israel guilty of genocide.
    A few months later, Malaysian planes started falling out of the sky.

    In 2011, Norway’s Labor Party’s youth wing was poised to impose a complete blockade on Israel.
    Suddenly the entire leadership of the Party’s youth wing was slaughtered in a professional operation falsely attributed to a lone nut, Anders Breivik.

    NoLiesRadio producer Allan Rees writes:
    https://plus.google.com/+HuffPostUK/posts/HgDXoao79kT

    Netanyahu warns of ‘grave mistake’ if France recognises Palestine
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-2846338/Netanyahu-warns-grave-mistake-France-recognises-Palestine.html

    Main VT link here to Charlie Hebdo “ANOTHER ZIONIST FALSE FLAG”
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-viral/

    No blown up brain. No blood spilled
    http://zeeklytv.com/video/13910/SLOW-MOTION-FAKE-PARIS-SHOOTING-MISS-7-1-15-FRENCH-SATIRE-

    THESE FACTS SPEAK FOR A FALSE FLAG:
    1-Left an ID in the car, how convenient!

    2-They executed a Muslim, Arab-looking cop (Ahmed Merabet) that posed no harm to them.
    See him here, he looks similar to the alleged attackers:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901681/Hero-police-officer-executed-street-married-42-year-old-Muslim-assigned-patrol-Paris-neighbourhood-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-located.html

    The Jewish New World Order is trying to foment war between Christians and Moslems.
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    2:20pm
    Watch this interview. Recommended for all people who think that the recent attacks are isolated incidents and who believe that Islam is a benign religion:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm
    HKW
    11th Jan 2015
    12:23pm
    http://www.darkmoon.me/2015/the-paris-massacre-they-had-it-coming/
    MICK
    10th Jan 2015
    1:57pm
    It is rather strange reading some of the comments above. On the one hand you have people who understand that we are facing a real crisis and on the other hand you have people who use the political correctness terms of "bigot", "racism" and the like to force those who are standing up for their way of life to go away.
    There have been a few interesting interviews in the past few days which clarify the issue with none more than a lass who appeared on the 7:30 Report in Friday night. The young lady, who was a muslim, was earmarked for death for speaking out against the religion 10 years ago and she is still on the list. One of the comments the young woman made was that Islam, unlike any other religion, is NOT a stand alone religion and politics and religion go hand in hand with Islam. She pretty well made the point that the aim of the religion is to conquer the world until there is only one religion left standing: Islam.
    In all of the above with folk who are playing the lets move forward game we need to remember that we all live in a free country. The problem with the 'poor muslim' rhetoric played by those who are one step short of plain stupid is that if we do nothing about the root cause of this worldwide cancer then at some time we have to expect our country to become embroiled in a civil war as these people will not stop until they destroy our system of government which they so hate. And as I have said previously many in the Islamic community are FULLY AWARE of what is going on in their own community but REFUSE TO REPORT. So are these apparent 'good' people with us or against us?
    I stick by new laws which can strip citizens of their citizenship. This is the only way of ensuring that this cancer stops as we will be able to cut the cancer out as well as sending a message to others who are thinking down the same road. Not pretty but how else do you defend the nation? Certainly not by rolling over.
    mangomick
    10th Jan 2015
    3:18pm
    I think Mick that when people are referring to racism it is directed at those who choose to try to include moderate peaceful Muslims with those who are at the extreme end of Islam. People don't seem to realise that Muslims have been at war with each other since Mohammad died many Muslims came to this country for a peaceful life. Much as many Yugoslavs did to get away from ethnic racism and conflict.
    Many on board the boats , from minority groups are just like the young woman you refer to . Living in fear of their lives if they stay in a country being over run with fanatical Islamists and treated as second class citizens by larger majority sects.
    Where our Government has fallen down is in not vetting those who are arriving . Governments should crack down harder on the Muslim youths who insult Australian girls on our beaches and streets. They should ensure that Australian Laws apply to all and not pussy foot around fearing to offend any race or religion. But the bottom line is would the radical Islamist movement be where they are today if Bush, who wasn't sanctioned by the United nations, had kept out of Iraq . Saddam Hussein for all his faults was keeping a pretty tight reign over the region. It didn't seem to worry any of the Western countries who were actively trading with Iraq, and by Australia and Britain following him they have brought the threat of terror by any nutter who is out there,to our shores.
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    5:34pm
    mick, Yes, I watched it. Excellent !
    The woman who was born into a muslim family but left the muslim faith
    behind, at the risk of death, even now, is Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
    Who better to listen to, than someone who has learned & lived the faith,
    decided it was bad, and left, knowing she could be killed at any time.
    She mentioned that we have, & are, wasting time, as the muslims are open
    with exactly what they want - to extend to every corner of the world and take over the world, using the barbaric
    sharia law. The muslims (all) think that is the only way to live - as the most
    important thing about islam is the POLITICAL side !!
    She said the media has let "Charlie" down,
    by printing the photos of the attackers,
    BUT NOT, printing the cartoons. Cartoons should be published & cont.
    to be published.

    mick - a definite eye opener !
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    5:37pm
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali's warnings re-enforced what I've been thinking all along.
    Adrianus
    10th Jan 2015
    5:57pm
    mick, you have certainly changed your opinion on this issue over the past few months, coming from a similar position to that of mango's to being almost extreme right wing. I understand your frustration but in analysing the differences between muslim's and infidels one must not lose touch with humanity. There needs to be a kind solution.
    Adrianus
    10th Jan 2015
    6:07pm
    Yes miss aisle, I saw the Ayaan Hirsi Ali interview. It was refreshing to see, given the ABC's past bias. Ali herself was critical of the media for not reporting the facts.
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    7:44pm
    With Liberals doing an incredible job with illegal immigration,
    I wonder if mick's "lean" is developing a sway ?
    mangomick
    10th Jan 2015
    8:08pm
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is now an atheist, and I'm not knocking that, I'm a non-believer myself, but I would imagine her views on Christianity if you heard them in an interview, would also be an eye opener for you all.
    I don't know what you think my position is Frank, but let me say this. I have no time for Religious institutions at all.Muslim or Christian. If it wasn't for Religion there would be a lot more "Christians" in the world. My concern is that a lot of good peaceful Muslims, who have been in minority sects in their own country ,have come to this country to escape threats to their own lives and now people like yourself are aligning them with Islamic extremists. The very same Islamic extremists they are trying to get away from. Vilifying all peaceful Muslims because of the acts of Islamic extremists smacks of the days of pre Nazi Germany. People forget that Muslims have been part of Australia's history since 1860. The first Mosque was built in 1888. And now Australians like you want to vilify them all because of the actions of Radical Islamic terrorists.
    miss aisle
    10th Jan 2015
    8:21pm
    Frank, I was under the impression that "not reporting the facts"
    was not publishing the cartoons. Maybe I was mistaken.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    10:02am
    miss aisle, you are correct. I found the transcript and it seems you can read it both ways. Ali's view on this is important because Western leaders often talk about stopping Islamists from "winning" and going about our lives in a usual way. It almost appears that from their rhetoric only one side can "win" and one side stands to lose. Ali's view is also important because of her focus, to her, a change in media focus would stand out like a Burqa in a police line up.

    "JANE HUTCHEON: As you know, in the wake of the Paris attacks, the media has been showing solidarity with Charlie Hebdo. In your view, do you feel the media in the past years has been self-censoring and will it continue to self-censor?

    AYAAN HIRSI ALI: You are still continuing to self-censor because you have not published or republished cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. You have not honoured Charlie Hebdo the way they need to be honoured, which is they took a risk, they took a risk to stand up for the core values of Western civilisation. And you, the media, are letting them down. You have drawn and published caricatures of the terrorists, but you have not published caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad." - 7.30

    Ali uses their incomplete reporting of the past few days to merely highlight their behaviour over the past few years. She has a compelling argument.
    miss aisle
    11th Jan 2015
    1:08pm
    Thanks for clearing that up, Frank.
    I don't want to believe something that isn't true.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    3:05pm
    I cant say if it's true or not. Any newsworthy incident can be reported inaccurately. I like many people form opinions based on plausible information. I think Ali's point about Muslims needing to recognise the schizophrenic aspect may be a valid one? I don't understand why Australia had to have so many Muslim Mosques and Schools. The numbers seem disproportionate to the estimated population of Muslims. Then again probably not if substantial growth is planned.
    particolor
    11th Jan 2015
    4:49pm
    And What do You think is Planned !! Birth Control !!.. Yes Frank Ill go along with that !!
    gumtree
    10th Jan 2015
    9:08pm
    The comments against 'Muslims' are a waste of time. Set the Sunnis against the Shiites (& the Alawaites) & whoever else processes to be a muslim and kill each other off in the name of allah. Captured or returning Muslims to Oz should be sent back to their muslim enemies & hopefully they will eventually kill each other off. Better to arm the Shiites so the carnage is greater.
    MICK
    11th Jan 2015
    11:05pm
    Your thoughts defy the fact that muslims have set up shop in western society to the extent that they now live in the west. But many do not want to be part of the western way of life and the muslim community here cries out for its own state within our country.
    You need to watch the interview on The 7:30 Report where the young lady (a former muslim) states that the stated intentions of the 'religion' have been quite clear and that is to have only one religion in the world: theirs. We have heard this many times in Australia. The link is:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4160195.htm

    Whilst many of us, myself included, want peace we all need to understand the truth and act to protect our descendants from the civil war which is bound to happen. You cannot tame a rabid dog with kindness lest it bites you.
    Islam is a cancer which has some wonderful people in it but because it is a cancer it will kill its host.
    By all means think that we can stand aside and not get involved. Sooner or later we will get pulled in and it is my hope that both sides of politics support legislation to expel those who plot to bring down the nation before we reach a point where it is too late for action.
    gumtree
    10th Jan 2015
    9:18pm
    We must arm the shiites & alawaites to fight the sunnis (in the name of Allah of course)
    gumtree
    10th Jan 2015
    9:26pm
    Praise Allah, Aka bar Allah...that's the name for "god' in Christian & Muslim though 'religious" Muslims bigots have tried (& succeeded, eg Malaysia) in saying their God is Allah and not the same Christian 'God'. God (Allah) help the blind to see!
    toot2000
    10th Jan 2015
    10:08pm
    We must always remember, this has nothing to do with Islam - not much!
    gumtree
    10th Jan 2015
    10:17pm
    Stay with the theme too2000..we want muslims to kill muslims and let Allah win the war!
    particolor
    11th Jan 2015
    11:14am
    Stop the Boats ! FLY ! PAR AVON ?? The 15,000 Coming this Year will all be Wearing HALO' S ??? Housing and Welfare Freely available, but not for You ! You Infidel !!
    gumtree
    10th Jan 2015
    10:21pm
    Go Shiites & Alawaites''' kill those Sunni muslims and hope the West sees reason and suppots u arseholes!
    toot2000
    12th Jan 2015
    11:04am
    A newspaper in Belgium republished the French cartoons and they got a bomb threat yesterday but luckily it was Sunday and nobody was there. In Germany yesterday, a newspaper who republished the cartoons mocking Mohammed was blown up. So editors risk the deaths of their employees if they republish - a catch 22 situation, damned if they do and damned if they dont.
    particolor
    12th Jan 2015
    12:02pm
    You forgot ?? And Damned if You Do Or Don't !!
    HKW
    12th Jan 2015
    4:06pm
    Ha ha ha

    http://stormcloudsgathering.com/charlie-hebdo-shootings-censored-video
    Radish
    12th Jan 2015
    5:41pm
    I canot help but notice the deathly silence from Senator Milne and Sarah Hanson Young on the latest attacks.
    Are they still around???

    12th Jan 2015
    7:33pm
    Just ban all religions already. Confiscate all Churches, mosques, temples etc and sell them to the highest commercial bidder.
    particolor
    12th Jan 2015
    8:50pm
    China will buy them and Ship them out with Their Coal !! :-)
    particolor
    12th Jan 2015
    8:53pm
    PS How much is a Flash Looking Mosque bringing Nowadays ?? :-)
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    11:12pm
    At least a couple of million camels

    Hashish ? I mean Kapish ???
    particolor
    13th Jan 2015
    7:42am
    Ill give You a Box of Pencils for it !!
    Adrianus
    13th Jan 2015
    10:13am
    A 2008 YouGov poll in the UK found 40% of Muslims interviewed wanted sharia in British law. In Britain, the "Muslim Arbitration Tribunal" makes use of sharia family law to settle disputes. While this limited adoption of sharia is controversial, it is expanding with new tribunals to open in Glasgow and Edinburgh. There are now more muslims in the UK than in Lebanon.
    In 2010 the Islamic Council of Australia made formal application to the Australian government to install sharia along side Australia's Constitution and Aboriginal law.
    As we march towards this change many of us would be asking , does sharia law condone the Charlie Hebdo murders or for that matter the atrocities committed worldwide? And if not, what provision exists in sharia law to prosecute the perpetrators of these crimes?
    miss aisle
    13th Jan 2015
    4:22pm
    Very good point, Frank.
    I imagine that question would get many wondering
    exactly where they stand.

    I think it depends what their priorities are -
    Does their obsession with spreading out throughout the world,
    ruling by sharia law, over-ride the methods to get there ?
    Does the end justify the means ?
    Are the atrocities carried out, just a necessary evil ?
    Would be very interesting to find out.
    particolor
    13th Jan 2015
    5:19pm
    Well Ill tell You !! Once Iaslamic's enter Your Country They OWN IT !! (Check the Qu'ran) The people who live there Must convert to Islam and are now called Dhimmi !! or Slaves !! and MUST pay Jisra ( A type of Rent for being allowed to stay) or be Beheaded !! Nice People when You get to know them !! ...
    Tell the Government ..You Reap what you Sow !!...
    Its only at the Occupation Stage here Yet ! The Full Take Over is coming Soon !!..
    But just go about Your Business as if nothing is happening as Told to !!
    Adrianus
    13th Jan 2015
    6:09pm
    The full take over will come sooner if Labor/Greens/unions/Independents get in for another term. All Abbott can do now is buy us some time and keep the good, the bad, and the ugly from civil war. While a program of deradicalisation gets underway. Another reason why he has refused to call them IS.
    particolor
    13th Jan 2015
    6:18pm
    I'm not as frightened as Tones yet ?? You can still call Me ANYTHING but late for Tea !!
    miss aisle
    13th Jan 2015
    9:34pm
    I suppose it pays to be realistic Frank,
    "The full take over will come sooner if..." (shock, horror)
    Do you honestly think that deradicalisation can compete with their
    intense brainwashing ? I'd like to think so, but....
    I hope my thoughts are wrong, but I see civil war on the horizon.
    particolor
    13th Jan 2015
    9:45pm
    One look at France England Norway and Germany Should give them a Bit of a Clue You would think !! :-( If anyone gets the time go to Google and read about ..The Battle of Tours732.. Charming lot !!..
    Adrianus
    13th Jan 2015
    10:58pm
    You don't need to be Einstein to see that a change needs to take place if Christians are to survive in Australia. There are 340 Mosques (radicalisation centres) in Australia already. And appearing faster than Slater & Gordon offices. That's a mosque for every 1400 Muslims. I will have a guess and say that of all the Islamic followers in OZ 40% to 50% want Sharia here. Unfortunately we need to prepare for a future with conflict.
    Deradicalisation may work to some extent but will not be totally effective.
    Keep an eye on the QLD election results for a clue as to how far away civil war may be.
    particolor
    16th Jan 2015
    7:43pm
    OOH YEAH !! Lets build 680 New Churches !! Top that You Freeloaders ??
    Adrianus
    14th Jan 2015
    5:16pm
    Wow, Dutch Muslim Mayor slams radicals. "If you don't like freedom leave."

    http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/01/14/15/33/dutch-muslim-mayor-tells-backwards-radical-islamists-to-f-off-in-tv-interview
    particolor
    14th Jan 2015
    6:55pm
    Very Gutsy Mayor !! But I think its too late in those Country"s
    Adrianus
    15th Jan 2015
    3:18pm
    I have only just heard of the ADL, but it has been a movement since 2009. parti, do you think it's too late for Australia as well?
    particolor
    15th Jan 2015
    8:05pm
    I'm reading it all the time Frank and from all Countries, I don't miss much !! ..
    They are nothing Short of a Bunch of Highway Men !! Aussie Papers no Good go Worldwide and learn something !!.. I wont comment on Australia's predicament Yet,But no Likey !!
    miss aisle
    16th Jan 2015
    8:31am
    Just tuned in. I get so much news from like-minded people on YLC.
    Grateful to those who provide it.
    I'd say, when this topic gets more & more out of hand,
    political parties that are not frightened to offend,
    will be looked for.
    Some of the legal practices allowed to happen
    in their favour,
    are "criminal".
    Should never have been allowed in the first place,
    but, should be stopped now,
    before things get completely out of hand.
    Adrianus
    16th Jan 2015
    8:55am
    The more I understand about the situation the more I realise that I am simply searching for some news of a positive outcome. It was a glimpse of hope to see the Charlie Hebdo circulation jump from 60,000 to 5,000,000 but is it a flash in the pan?
    Things are already out of hand when the justice system developes a blind PC attitude. Watching the news recently, for the first time I saw a Lawyer call witnesses "racist animal scum." Not a word from the PC people on that one? If there is a jury in that trial would they be influenced?
    miss aisle
    16th Jan 2015
    11:15am
    Great to see the massive rise in circulation,
    but as I see it,
    ultimately fear of retribution will reign.
    Much bigger changes are needed
    to keep a tight grip on our freedoms.

    In some past court outcomes,
    I have often disagreed with the
    justice/sentencing, etc.,
    but for that phrase to be openly & defiantly used
    and, not be criticised publicly....
    Well, I'd say they're trying to de-sensitise the public
    so we will be too fearful of saying "how it is" !
    Ugh! Fear.


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