25th Aug 2015
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NBN cost blowout
NBN cost blowout

According to new peak funding cost estimates, the National Broadband Network (NBN) will need an additional $8 billion in funding over and above the initial projected cost of $41 billion.

Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull said on Monday that the Government wouldn’t be directly providing any more money for the NBN, but that it was open to giving the project financial support by sharing its AAA credit rating to the NBN, or by directly raising debt for the project.

The original cost of implementing the Coalition’s NBN plan was projected at $41 billion, with a return on investment (ROI) of 5.3 per cent for the project. However, the new corporate plan estimates a cost of between $46 and $56 billion with a ‘base’ rate of $49 billion. The plan also predicts an ROI of just 3.5 per cent, a drop of 34 per cent on the original forecast.

According to new estimates, the NBN plan originally implemented under Labor would have cost between $74 billion and $84 billion and was to be completed between 2026-2028, six to eight years later than current NBN estimates

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    jackie
    25th Aug 2015
    10:02am
    The Coalition are doing what they have always criticised Labor for. What an incompetent and hypocritical Government we have.
    Polly Esther
    25th Aug 2015
    10:23am
    You have to wonder why you voted them in.
    Annamaria
    25th Aug 2015
    10:51am
    Come off it Jackie. Take your blinkers off the labour started the NBN fiasco
    Dotty
    25th Aug 2015
    11:06am
    These words of your's are so true Jackie and Polly I never voted them in so I don't feel at all guilty about the way things have turnes around ! Dotty
    jackie
    25th Aug 2015
    12:59pm
    Polly I never voted them in. I am not rich nor greedy.
    jackie
    25th Aug 2015
    1:08pm
    Annamaria Labor never had a chance to start it because the brilliant Coalition lied they would do a better job. The Coalitition is infamous for being the Goverment of lies and incompetence.
    Sceptic
    25th Aug 2015
    1:44pm
    What utter rubbish from this group of posters. Under the ALP plan it would have cost twice as much.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    2:34pm
    Its hard to believe that when anything goes badly wrong with LNP bad government and bad policy it always seems to be the fault of Labor. How does that work?????
    The ORIGINAL NBN was costed out and none of us knows if it would have blown out or not. Government projects nearly always do. But given the interference and downgrading of the original proposal I can only think that there may be some very happy middlemen who have cashed in.
    The current government needs to send its ministers back to business school rather than let them be the hand of business and destroy the nation further than it already has been by both sides with their short sighted and hypocritical policies.
    The NBN will be a wonderful project and I can but suggest that the knockers do not sign up and enjoy what the rest of us, including business, will reap.
    particolor
    25th Aug 2015
    4:09pm
    Save the green Tree Snake ! OOW ! Sorry wrong Blog ! :-) Thats an Overdue Green Fibre Optic Cable ! :-)
    wally
    26th Aug 2015
    9:15am
    Rudd's NBN "Pie in the Sky" scheme reflects once again his "back of a beer coaster" approach to planning. His projects to save us from the menace of the GFC (that was illusory because of the money pouring in to Australia from China for coal and iron ore exports is what did it.) quite simply was a lie. The home insulation scheme was cancelled due to the lack o government oversight into the conduct of the insulation installers that resulted in death and fires in roof cavities. The solar scheme was cancelled because too many people took it up and the funds allocated for the scheme ran out.

    The NBN was supposed to be for every resident of Australia when it was announced, as I recall. Then, when it was pointed out the cost of installing NBN connection to remote outback settlements was going to cost too much, the promised project started to be scaled back. So after the 2013 election, the LNP government was saddled with ALP spending promises (and over priced programs) that necessitated in increased overseas borrowing that is the Rudd Gillard legacy for the taxpayers of Australia, now and in the future, to pay off.

    So mick and his cronies applaud the wasteful deeds of "Santa Rudd and Julia Claus" for their largesse in blowing the money left in the treasury by Costello sinking the country into the debt mess Australia finds itself in. Is anyone really surprised that Tony and the LNP point the finger at the ALP?Green Axis for these acts of economic vandalism? It isn't only mick. A view of the poll results showing Shorten's lead over Abbott would suggest that mick is not alone in his delusion. :(>
    MICK
    26th Aug 2015
    10:26am
    Your rant continues to avoid the obvious fact that none of your family were thrown on the unemployment scrap heap after the GFC. Sure the pink batts scheme were not ideal but maybe you had a better suggestion for something which could be rolled out quickly. I thought so! The irony is that YOU try to blame government for problems which were the responsibility of employers.

    You are living in the land of make believe wally....but YOU will gladly use the NBN you are bemoaning once it is available. Hypocritical really.
    How about some scrutiny on the current government which butchered what had been costed and which had been well worked out. Remember the PROMISES from Turnbull about how much money his 'changes' were going to save. LIE...or should I say the next lie!
    Your posts are the typical troll post wally: always turning everything into a political attack on one side of politics with never a balanced view. You are what you are I guess. And before you roll into your next propaganda piece I remind you of what you already know: I DO NOT SUPPORT EITHER SIDE OF POLITICS. But I have made this clear before have I not? I am in no way a supporter of Shorten either. I think Shorten is a limp wrist leader and not what the nation needs. But the alternative is a dictatorship from a moron. What you gonna do?
    wally
    27th Aug 2015
    4:15pm
    Heard Di Natali on the radio yesterday and he sounded OK. As long as he is not another wolf in sheep's clothing. But then there are a lot of wolves out there pretending to be sheep,

    I am also suspicious of Mr Turnbull, Many people think Turnbull should be in the Labor Party, but the fact is, due to his merchant banking background, the Labor/union heavies would not grant him pre selection in any red ribbon electorate. Just as the "Wolf of Wentworth" has proven to be something of a loose cannon in the Liberal Party, I'd think the Labor bosses are glad Turnbull is on the other side. Perhaps Turnbull has seen what effect Kevin Rudd's "Loose Cannon Act" , (leaks and all), did to Labor after Shorten and Co got rid of him prior to the 2010 election. Considering Turnbull's ouster by Abbott as a result of a Liberal party room spill, I think the comparison of Turnbull with Rudd is most apt. I do not think Turnbull likes playing Tonto to Abbott's Lone Ranger any more than Rudd liked having that role when Gillard was made PM.

    So here you go, mick, defending the bumbling Kevin Rudd and his indecent haste to make himself appear as the saviour of working Australia. FYI, I was an aged pensioner at the time the GFC blew up in everyone's faces. So I was not adversely affected as so many self funded retirees were, or those who found themselves out of work and were too old to be in the "employable demographic" thus rendered them unemployable.

    So you make excuses for Rudd, Gillard, Swan and the rest of their ilk for reckless overspending and going into obscene levels of debt to maintain the charade that Australia was all right in the safe hands of the Labor. government shows a bias that puts the lie to the impartiality you claim to espouse.

    Even worse is your inane bleating that we should revere them because they "meant well and their hearts were in the right place", regardless of the amount of damage their half baked policies di to the Australian economy that our grandchildren are going to have to pay off with their taxes.. If any of the parents of the young men who were killed installing insulation during Rudd's Pink batts scheme have forgiven Rudd and Labor for the loss of their sons, I would like to hear/read about it.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2015
    7:49pm
    Its quite obvious wally. You are a LNP troll. Whilst readers have a leaning one way or the next your posts are so off the planet that it has to be clear.
    FYI I may be supporting Labor but ONLY because I find it offensive that some folk intentionally distort the facts.
    Turnbull is the best man a bad bad government has. A man with a brain. Something that most of the front bench puppets do not have.
    Rave on about pink batts and NBN terror. As I said you have all the qualities of a first class troll. Not winning wally!!
    wally
    28th Aug 2015
    3:57pm
    Hi mick. t seems you resort to unfounded accusations of "Trollism" and wind up falling into the "Trollism Trap" yourself. while failing to muster any facts to refute my above comments. That being the case, you can only resort to bluster accusations and allegations. That only reveals that you have lost the plot somewhere and have no valid arguments to support the case you are trying (and failing so dismally) to make.
    As far as Malcolm Turnbull is concerned, I do agree that he is more intelligent than the average politician. I think he towers over all of the pygmies that the Opposition has infesting front bench. But I also believe that ambition, hubris and ego are going to combine to bring Turnbull unstuck in the long run, as it did with one K. Rudd.

    Time, of course, will tell. The self defeating antics going on "behind the doors" of the Liberal Party and the opportunistic efforts to "get" Abbott by some of the back benchers who are frightened by the polls may just deliver a self fulfilling prophecy (through the appearance of party disunity) that could discredit their party in the eyes of enough voters and see them return Labor to government.
    Fredklaus
    25th Aug 2015
    11:22am
    they are still trying to get it to work in caboolture more than 12 months after the cables were laid and our lib pollie boasting twice by letter box phamplet about it coming.About time they come clean and tell us the truth
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    2:38pm
    Takes time to lay cables in the whole country. Not a small job. I am only sad that AT THE SAME TIME all cabling (power, etc.) could have been accommodated in the same trench. That way we could do away with poles and the huge cost of maintaining these. But this is Australia so I guess I should not expect common sense to prevail or politician to have the sense to bless themselves with.
    Lippy
    25th Aug 2015
    2:50pm
    Well Fredklaus, Sandstone Point, Ningi, Godwin Beach and Beachmere under the original rollout would have been running now. The last two day's on Bribie, they are STILL working on the cabinets which is a waist of taxpayer money. June has come and gone but the Telstra staff have told me, Feb' 16 will be Bribie and Cabooltures NEW rollout date which will include the areas mentioned so we SHOULD all be wetting our selves for this date. Just don't hold your breath, it's not worth it.
    Jim
    25th Aug 2015
    12:18pm
    Another failed idea from labor that the coalition has to try and remedy it was never going to come in at the cost labor budgeted for, and some people still want a return to labor,go figure!
    Wstaton
    25th Aug 2015
    12:39pm
    You seemed to have forgotten. The lip trashed the way that they were going to do it. Lip said they were going to do it cheaper. What's happening now the costs getting higher because they underestimated or gave an cost that was much lower as to get into government. Before long it will probably reach the estimate that labor gave without the fibre to the home.
    Jim
    25th Aug 2015
    1:31pm
    The original estimate for a full system from labor was 33 billion, they reassessed that estimate before they were kicked out of government, the coalition always said it was impossible to bring in the system that the labor government proposed at the cost that they had assessed, if the coalition hadn't cut the system back to what it is now, who knows how much the cost would have blown out to. I have always believed that business would benefit from the NBN but I could never come to terms that every household needed to have a super fast internet that came at a cost we couldn't afford or needed for our every day use.
    ozimarco
    25th Aug 2015
    2:04pm
    All the Libs have managed to do is add about $30B to the cost of the end product, which will be FTTH for 93%. FTTN will be woefully inadequate so you need to add the cost of going from FTTN to FTTH to get the full cost to the taxpayer. By switching to FTTN and HFC, they have also added about two years to the rollout while they are figuring out how to do it. The FTTN rollout has not even started yet.
    Young Simmo
    25th Aug 2015
    2:14pm
    ozimarco, I am trying to work out if you are talking to yourself, or using an inter Galactic language.
    One thing about it is, if your are talking to your self you will always be right.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    2:44pm
    Dim by name and dim by comment. Anybody who has average intelligence would realise that fibre optic cable is needed for the future. If you think that nothing is going to change over the next 50 years then have a think about the last 50. Wow!
    As I keep saying data requirements have been doubling every year for the past 20 years. No end in sight. At that rate we will be putting 1 million times the data through we are currently doing. Copper has reached its end of life and we have a clear choice.
    As I said Dim your comment belongs in the dinosaur coral. Please do not sign up for the NBN. And lets change the topic from 'everything is Labor's fault' to let's fix the nation.
    So what has this government done???? Same as always. Nix other than try to shovel money into the bank accounts of those who have no real need of it and tax poor people. What else is new!
    Supernan
    25th Aug 2015
    12:52pm
    So more lies from the current Government - caught out again !
    jackie
    25th Aug 2015
    1:03pm
    They are the Party that Governs lies. Watch how they line their pockets before they leave us with the biggest deficit in history.
    Sceptic
    25th Aug 2015
    1:52pm
    A system that was unnecessary from the ALP. A Ferrari when most people would have been happy with a Holden. The first price from the ALP via Conroy and Rudd (on the back of a cigarette packet) was $4 million that went to $44 million, which nobody believed, then reality set in with estimates of $80 million.

    Never mind the facts, just seize on anything to trash the Libs. You people really need to take a lokk at yourselves and get a reality check.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    2:52pm
    What a lot of crap Sceptic. You either have no understanding or else you are being paid for this blatant political advertising.
    You avoid the facts....just like this government also avoids the truth. The Ferarri you mention is cabling into your house which Turnbull killed off with the pretext that there was going to be a huge cost saving. Please explain?
    Now we will all pay for the last piece of cabling to get the fibre optic cable to our computers, but business gets it to their business for free of course. Why does that not surprise me.
    The Libs need to be trashed when they stuff up the nation. Had they left the policy alone rather than butcher it one might think that the cost would not have blown out....but who would know until the fat lady has sung. Not Amanda.....
    Before you sing the songs of the worst government in history and bag the other side for having done something to help the nation going forward at least have a look at the facts.
    particolor
    25th Aug 2015
    4:30pm
    I Googled it Mick ! :-) And it said...In The Fullness of Time ! :-(
    And its.. PPA now ! Paid Political Advertisement !! :-) :-)
    the_Albert
    25th Aug 2015
    1:22pm
    "... much lauded..." - by whom? Turnbull said his scheme was quicker and cheaper than Labor's, but of course it is a much lesser beast than we were promised under Rudd/Gillard. Is there anyone who thinks that there won't be more extra costs and long delays before the next election? Labor will have to try and fix Turnbull's mess ...
    Sceptic
    25th Aug 2015
    1:54pm
    I guess that the Albert has a sense of humour.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    2:53pm
    Good comment. Nice that we have a bit of enlightenment rather than the troll comments from a few....trolls.
    Young Simmo
    25th Aug 2015
    1:35pm
    None of this rubbish worries me, why? Because I only have 10 minutes to 10 years left, and the NBN will take 100 years.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    2:54pm
    Given the current progress YOU ARE WRONG. Maybe in hick communities like far west Queensland but not major cities. Enjoy the smoke signals.
    Rosscoe
    25th Aug 2015
    3:08pm
    Trust this Federal Government to balse up another project. No indication of when Mawson Lakes SA 5095 will receive the NBN. Malcolm Turnbull is no better than the rest of those useless NCP MPs!!!!! Pity the poor people trying to educate their kids in rural areas.
    Mike Omment
    25th Aug 2015
    4:06pm
    sceptic , you are 100% correct with your figures . It was a Labor stuff up from the very beginning ,.
    Young Simmo
    25th Aug 2015
    4:36pm
    Did I hear that right ?-?-?-?-? Eerrrrrr read it right?
    particolor
    25th Aug 2015
    4:45pm
    I think He fell in Love Simmo ! :-) :-) :-)
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    5:20pm
    Not from me. This website appears to have been hacked.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    5:22pm
    Next questions: WHO IS SCEPTIC, HOW DOES HE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO POST UNDER SOMEBODY ELSE'S ACCOUNT AND WHO HAS PUT HIM UP TO THIS?
    Young Simmo
    25th Aug 2015
    8:05pm
    OK the original comment I was referring to has been removed, end of story.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    9:27pm
    Young Simmo: Are you aware of how the poster (above) was able to post under my screen name? Now it has reverted to "Mike Omment". What's going on?
    particolor
    25th Aug 2015
    4:22pm
    Looks like labor will have to Fix It next year !! :-) :-) :-)
    Tom Tank
    25th Aug 2015
    6:35pm
    This whole thing has been a political football because the Libs used it to beat the ALP over the head, so Tony Abbott, but now the chickens are coming home to roost.
    We will get a sub-standard system that will have to be re-visited, sooner rather than later, to try to bring it up to International standards. That additional cost is not shown far but it will be there.
    This is what happens when you play politics with big thinking projects.
    Jim
    25th Aug 2015
    6:37pm
    The usual tripe from Mick, if it's not his opinion then it has to be wrong, I am fully aware that fibre optic is the way of the future, and eventually it would be great to have it running to every household in the country when the country can afford it, you say I blame everything on labor, which is untrue I only blame things on labor that they are actually responsible for, you must have a very short memory if you think this is the worst government we have ever had, or at least a very selective memory. Not that it will make any difference to your comments, but I have been a labor voter for most of the last 50 years, but unlike you I am not blind to their faults.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    9:34pm
    I am not blind to either side. As I have repeatedly said both are corrupt and neither deserve to govern our country.
    You could have perhaps given credit where it was due. From where I stand all I can see is that you will take all the good which helps you whilst at the same time trashing the political party which had the guts to do it.
    If it came down to affordability Australia would still be in the stone age. Being stranded in the third world because we cannot "afford it" is not the way to be competitive in a technological world.
    FYI - I have not voted Labor for over 30 years!
    Jim
    26th Aug 2015
    6:41am
    Not sure what you mean by taking all the good which helps me mick, so far as our country is concerned we are far from being in the Stone Age, we are still one of the most progressive countries in the world, with many firsts that we can be proud of, we still have to do things in a way that is affordable, that is something the previous government didn't understand, as I stated in my previous post I did vote labor for most of the last 50 years, and we did have good labor governments eg the Hawke era, but for someone who hasn't voted labor for 30 years you seem to push the labor vote quite a lot, I have seen your post promoting independents as well, maybe I am misreading your comments.
    MICK
    26th Aug 2015
    9:04am
    Patriotism belies the fact that we are heading the same way as Greece. If you call giving every good asset away and flogging the country to foreigners and/or their governments "progressive" then you are ignoring the facts.
    You. like all other Australians, should be starting to feel the heat from 30 years of bad mismanagement and a selling off mentality from both sides of politics. And you wonder why money has dried up and we need to borrow from China? Obvious I might think.
    I agree with your sentiments above living within our means but what do you do with technology? Do nothing only to see all of our competitors having what a modern world needs? The NBN is not a toy as people like Turnbull and Abbott would like to make out. It is an absolute necessity going forward. And if it comes down to 'cost' then I say collect tax from the multinationals and get well off and rich Australians to pay tax rather than avoid it through their superannuation tax shelters. Then we'll have the money for our NBN and also some money left over for retirees....rather than screwing this cohort and treating them like criminals in the twilight of their lives.
    Yes I do promote Independents....but only because I can see that both sides are now so tainted that they believe they can do as they like and destroy the viability of our nation. That does not sit well with me and I hope that others recognise that we have to do something other than swing from Liberal to Labor and then back again. That is a dead horse.
    Mike Omment
    25th Aug 2015
    8:03pm
    Mick's just a Labor stooge. All one sided opinions. It doesn't matter what the issue is, he blames the Liberals for it. His credibility is zero!!
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    9:39pm
    You appear to be a LNP stooge. Act like one too. Ignore the facts and talk up accusations.....just like this government does all the time.
    I also do not post under other peoples screen names as you did above.
    You conveniently ignore the history: MALCOLM TURNBULL CHANGED WHAT THE NBN WAS SET TO DO. In doing this it seems that the price is now more than the original. And as is always the case with your crowd it is Labor's fault. Yeah right!

    25th Aug 2015
    8:15pm
    more clones of labor mick, jackie, ozimarko, of course supernan, rosscoe, may I tell them, at least the libs will give you the nbn for a reasonable cost, labor will give you a figure and if you multiply it by 10, you might be close, examples, Myki, desalination plant, tatts tenders, etc in victoria alone put this state in dire straights, top it up with the promised surplus, when labor was in federal government for 6 years, did not matter if it was rudd or gillard, they left us with a debt of more then 450 billion dollars, even our grand kids will be struggling to pay that off, swan is still sitting on the back bench, to make sure he get his years up so to get his full pension when he retires, which will be the next election, yet you people think the sun shines out of labor's a....s, Billy, otherwise known as billy the knive, after all he knived rudd and gillard, so he would get the top job, stirred his mates in the union movement to try to get rid of the royal commission, after all he was found out he received a donation of $40.000.00 he conveniently forgot to put on his register, so far more than 10 union executives have been arrested for fleecing their members or standing over businesses, tony burke can spend more then 4.5 million on travel and office expences and taking his family on holidays business class, the joke in his own electorate is that to see his own electorate was 30000 feet up, yet we bemoan the libs. for being careful with the taxpayer's money, the choice is yours, labor to bring australia to become another greece or the libs getting australia back to the great country we were once
    MICK
    25th Aug 2015
    9:48pm
    The Libs lie about everything. That is their way of governing. That is why they will be out come the next election.
    What a lot of crap follows from you. Clearly you have not looked at the deficit of late. Guess who has run up an enormous debt since office? And removed the debt ceiling to accommodate this. Yep. The Abbott government.
    Your make believe figures are a joke. Good try. Oh by the way you forgot to mention Bishop the serial cheat and Hockey the bag man. Secret meetings between this government and big business to transact their dirty deals? The ones where the nation is sold out? You tell me. These things are mostly hidden but If we had a federal ICAC a number of ministers from this government would most likely be seeing jail time.
    You have a hide posting this sort of nonsense. Stick to the truth.
    particolor
    25th Aug 2015
    10:28pm
    I vote for none of the Bush Rangers !! But I was just looking on other sites at Horrendous Damage they can Inflict on Australia before they get the B' Rush !!
    :-( :-(
    MICK
    26th Aug 2015
    4:13pm
    Good one Ned.
    lasaboy
    26th Aug 2015
    1:02am
    I am getting sick to death with comments like this government (Labor or Liberal) did this or that, they are ALL tarred with the same brush and I would not piss on any of them if they were on fire, it would be a waist of good piss
    lasaboy
    26th Aug 2015
    1:02am
    I am getting sick to death with comments like this government (Labor or Liberal) did this or that, they are ALL tarred with the same brush and I would not piss on any of them if they were on fire, it would be a waist of good piss
    Young Simmo
    26th Aug 2015
    1:15am
    At one o'clock in the morning, you sound like you need another glass of piss.
    lasaboy
    26th Aug 2015
    1:39am
    I don't sleep
    MICK
    26th Aug 2015
    8:21am
    I like the comment.
    As one of the offenders I would like to not have to respond as I often do, but have no intention of letting the deceit go through from our trolls.
    It is always much more pleasant when politics and religion can be left out of a discussion but politics does seem to be at the heart of many of our problems. C'est la vie!
    particolor
    26th Aug 2015
    4:34pm
    Id like to know what Gay Weddings and Organ Music has got to do with a Government making any decision on it ! Why don't they just go and Find a Gay Priest Get Hitched and Shut Up And let the Government GET ON WITH GOVERNING !! YES WE KNOW YOUR THERE !! HULLO !! NOW BEAT IT !! :-(

    26th Aug 2015
    5:55pm
    labor mick, you are an absolute clown, you refuse to answers my questions of you being a paid up member of the labor party, I have been asking you this question for the last 12 months, still no answer and as usual you disappear of that particular site to pop up on another. I stated that I was not impressed with bronwin bishop's spending on a helicopter, yet you and life choises don't think it to be important to tell us of tony burke, labor, spending 3.4 million dollars on travel with his family on business class and to update his office, chartering planes etc, yet you and life choises made a great dance and song of a liberal member spending 5000 dollars. as for the NBN, have you or life choises ever publicize how much the NBN was over budget when the libs took over? labor mick, how much do you get paid to sprout your poison on these pages?
    MICK
    26th Aug 2015
    8:58pm
    Liberal troll.
    Burke needs to be treated like all of the other crims: both sides. End of story!
    If you want to talk about chartering planes have a look at Bronwyn Bishop's mug sheet. Thought so!
    The only poison is coming from you my friend. Do yourself a favour: go back to school, learn to read and to write....and maybe fix up your many spelling errors.
    To repeat for the sake of the mentally impaired: I SUPPORT NEITHER SIDE OF POLITICS. You clearly do. Poison is the right word!
    lasaboy
    26th Aug 2015
    11:48pm
    for all those liberal and labor pollies NICK OFF, this is the fault of both sides, labour put it forward and costed it at 33 Billion, it was said at the time by other org's that there was no way they could deliver for that price, the cheapest figure was said to be over 50 Billion at the time minimum, then the libs got in and they tried to play the same game of dirty politics, saying labor had stuffed it, then they changed the game and said that they would keep sections of the copper network to save money, a stupid idea at best, then they gave the contract to Telstra to run, but still under NBN, the three stooges would have done a better job, now they are scratching their heads and wondering what happened, THAT'S EASY they are all brain dead and need to be put in the ground, once upon a time the Liberal's represented the business end of Oz and worked to make everyone's lot better with the bosses on top, and Labour were all once workers who did the same, crossing the floor on subjects before parliament was commonplace if it was for the good of the people, now you have millionaire's on both sides or husbands of them and they are there to fill there own pockets at the expense of you and me, they talk in Parliament like little kids in the playground , so WE ARE SCREWED period.
    particolor
    27th Aug 2015
    8:39am
    :-) :-) "And Those Scumbuckets Opposite " :-) :-) " Whens Play Lunch ? :-)
    MICK
    27th Aug 2015
    8:58am
    Good post lasaboy. You have captured the essence of the problem.
    Whilst I have come down hard on this government and get the 'Labor mick' responses from our trolls my issue is that this government in particular cares nothing for the country, its workers or how they waste OUR money. Whilst Labor is sort of in the same boat it at least is progressing the nation in between its social engineering dogma, and God knows we need as a country we need some visionaries not owned by the coal industry....or any other vested interest. Clearly governments are controlled by corporations and industries.
    In regard to the NBN please understand that THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED. It is not a plaything for video downloaders as Turnbull has suggested in the past. The NBN is absolutely essential for our future and a Liberal government would never had implemented it. So look at the cost any way you like and the political shenanigans but we will at least not be left in the dark ages whilst other nations modernise.

    You want to make a difference to our broken political system? Then VOTE FOR INDEPENDENTS. Heaps of them. That way you you get MPs voting on issues, not on Party lines. And you kill off the power of the vested interests. I am not sure Australians are ready to hear this news but voting for either side has become toxic and does nothing except entrenches the sick game we are forced to endure. Called 'self harm' methinks.
    wally
    28th Aug 2015
    4:42pm
    Optimism and a failure to grasp the financial consequences of his "feel good" initiatives highlight Kevin Rudd's approach to government when he was in office. His headstrong approach and management style meant that anyone who dared offer any suggestions that were not to Mr Rudd's liking wound up "on the outer" with a similar loss of influence in Rudd's little world (and Cabinet).

    So what we have is Mr Rudd, in starting up the NBN scheme, opening a sort of Pandora's Box full of nasty surprises for the taxpayers. Since then, Rudd has been sent to the Naughty Corner by the voters in 2013. Issaboy appears to want to take the current LNP government to task for failing to close the Pandora's Box (which never should have been opened in the first place, without Rudd's looking into what doing so might entail. So Tony and Co are blamed for not fixing the problem.

    Mick's comments about voters choosing to support independents does point out that both major political parties have a fatal flaw. They are both run by ruling cliques that insist on recruiting and rewarding bright little "Clone People" that sycophantically endorse and support the party oligarchs in all that they say and do. Unless the Liberals and Labor bosses are willing to surrender their political sway within their parties, no improvements or changes for the better are going to occur.

    So we are faced with accepting the duopoly of the coalition and the Labor/Green axis on the other. This is where mick's suggestion of supporting independent candidates comes in. In recent elections, dozens of anonymous independent candidates have come swarming out of the woodwork. It is impossible to tell Arthur from Martha in these circumstances, and few get any positive media attention at all. Worse, what with back room preference swap deals going on, is whether you are going to get what you thought you were voting for.

    So although mick and I have our differences, I will agree with mick on this point. Unfortunately what is needed is constitutional reform to the voting system. To do that we would have to have a referendum. To have a referendum, we would need to have the government of the day agree that a referendum was necessary and would agree to hold one. Getting the politicians to agree to changing the system would be like trying to get the wolves to agree to stop eating sheep. Short of a barricade storming revolution, that is not about to happen.
    geomac
    28th Aug 2015
    11:31pm
    The figure blow out I saw said 15 billion not 8.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-24/nbn-cost-blows-out-by-up-to-15-billion-dollars/6720878
    One has to remember that this is NBN light not the original policy by Labor where most of Australia would have fibre to the home. So despite the spin the coalition nbn is going to be slower and dearer than they said. The irony is one of the reasons for the cost blow out is the condition of the copper. Now thats ironic because fibre was going to replace all that copper. So the patch up of copper is now approaching the cost of putting new fibre that is faster and more efficient ( less prone to water damage etc ).


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