Violence against women no laughing matter

The AFL has found itself embroiled in yet another furore over women.

woman's hand holding a white ribbon

The Australian Football League (AFL) has found itself embroiled in yet another furore over women, this time with two of its club presidents lambasted for inappropriate comments about prominent female sports journalist, Caroline Wilson.

As part of the Big Freeze at the ‘G on Monday last week, radio station Triple M, crossed to Eddie McGuire, President of Collingwood Football Club, who had been nominated to slide into freezing cold water to raise funds for Motor Neuron disease. In what was typical banter on the pre-footy show, The Rub, hosted by James Brayshaw, President of North Melbourne Football Club, Eddie McGuire proceeded to discuss how much money they could raise if Caroline Wilson was sent down the slide.

This in itself is harmless, but it was the way in which the discussion continued that has people up in arms. “In fact I reckon we should start the campaign for a one-person slide next year. Caroline Wilson. And I’ll put in 10 grand straight away – make it 20 and if she stays under, 50,” McGuire said. Eddie then says to Brayshaw that he knows he would be in, to which Brayshaw replied, “Straight in”. It was at this point that Danny Frawley, ex footballer and coach, chips in with, I’ll actually jump in and make sure she doesn’t. I’ll hold her under, Ed.”

At the time the chat went relatively unnoticed but social media went into a flurry of activity when the AFL launched its involvement in White Ribbon Week, the campaign to stop violence against women.

Eddie McGuire and Danny Frawley have both apologised for their comments, saying it is never acceptable to make light of violence against women. Danny Frawley issued a statement, “On Monday on radio I made a couple of insensitive, inappropriate remarks about Caroline Wilson. Clearly it was a poor attempt at humour [for] which I sincerely apologise.

“Let’s leave it at that. Unfortunately, as I said, it was a poor attempt at humour and it didn’t go down that way.”

On his radio program this morning McGuire said the following, "Anything at all that can be perceived to promulgate or support, even in a lighthearted manner, any form of domestic violence against women is unacceptable."

As yet, James Brayshaw has made no comment.

The commentary surrounding the issue suggests that the powers that be at the AFL have simply not acted quickly enough or with enough conviction. In the week that it also announced that it will back a competition featuring eight women’s teams, a stronger response than the comments, "although seeking to be lighthearted ... could be seen to be supporting violent attitudes" should be forthcoming.

Read more at TheGuardian.com

Do you think the comments were taken out of context? Or is this another example of how men in the media and positions of influence simply don't realise it’s not okay to be ‘one of the boys’?





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    Troubadour
    20th Jun 2016
    9:59am
    It was derogatory and certainly not OK - and some of these commentators are too ready
    with their gung-ho responses and put downs. Caroline is equal to them in every respect and
    thery should respect her more.
    Koj
    20th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    I find Caroline Wilson abrasive and lacking in sensitivity for others ... (maybe this is a facade for the media, but regardless, it is how she presents herself) far more so than any of her male colleagues. She is not equal to her AFL industry media colleagues in this way - with the exception of Sam Newman.
    If the "victim" in this matter had been say Sam Newman, I doubt there would have been a word raised in objection.
    I fully agree that violence against fellow humans is objectionable and it is proper to do all possible to discourage it. When that violence is against a person less able to defend themselves (children, the aged, women, and any other similar person) then it is even more despicable.
    However I believe what occurred was not a threat of physical violence, (action likely to cause physical harm) and that Caroline Wilson has displayed over a long time a cability and habit of verbally attacking or intimidating others. She is not a victim of verbal violence, and if she agreed to contribute to a worthy cause by some form of slide/ dunking machine then that would be something positive to her image. I might even stop turning off a program when she appears on it.
    TLDNR - Nothing to do with being female - all to do with being obnoxious at times.
    Koj
    20th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    I find Caroline Wilson abrasive and lacking in sensitivity for others ... (maybe this is a facade for the media, but regardless, it is how she presents herself) far more so than any of her male colleagues. She is not equal to her AFL industry media colleagues in this way - with the exception of Sam Newman.
    If the "victim" in this matter had been say Sam Newman, I doubt there would have been a word raised in objection.
    I fully agree that violence against fellow humans is objectionable and it is proper to do all possible to discourage it. When that violence is against a person less able to defend themselves (children, the aged, women, and any other similar person) then it is even more despicable.
    However I believe what occurred was not a threat of physical violence, (action likely to cause physical harm) and that Caroline Wilson has displayed over a long time a cability and habit of verbally attacking or intimidating others. She is not a victim of verbal violence, and if she agreed to contribute to a worthy cause by some form of slide/ dunking machine then that would be something positive to her image. I might even stop turning off a program when she appears on it.
    TLDNR - Nothing to do with being female - all to do with being obnoxious at times.
    jackyd
    21st Jun 2016
    3:24am
    Koch. You saved me a lot of words and anger at the PC minefield that has now become overwhelming!
    jamesmn
    20th Jun 2016
    11:14am
    Eddie should be removed as ceo of collingwood with his love child he thinks he is untouchable he and Buckley are both arrogant and both should be removed from collingwood Buckley was never a good footballer he is only where he is now because he is Eddie McGuire's love child Buckley would never go in and get the ball he had to be fed and the ongoing saga with Travis cloake is because of cloake and Buckley and Eddie sticking up for his love child let cloake go into the draught he is a much better player than Buckley ever was and is past his use by date as is Eddie get rid of them both Eddie just thinks he can say whatever he wants to as does Buckley they should both put their brain into gear before they mouth off Eddie did not appolagise properly or mean it he already said he would never apolagise he did not mean it he is arrogant like abbot was towards women
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    4:41pm
    "buckley was never a good footballer", what planet was you living on or better you had to be off the planet making that statement, he was one of the greatest footbal player of his time and this comes from a TIGER supporter.
    Brissiegirl
    20th Jun 2016
    11:16am
    Caroline Wilson certainly didn't hold back in her torrent of horrid comments about James Hird. She is able to write whatever she chooses, in any way she chooses. I find her quite abrasive. But of course it is o.k. for yelling and screaming women to say what they want about men isn't it. If it had been a woman JOKING about dunking some foolish man and holding him under, you wouldn't hear a word of complaint because men have become so used to being pilloried and shamed that they don't even argue the point which tends to say they have, as a gender, become so psychologically down-trodden it's not even safe or worth bothering to defend themselves. I agree with Eddie that Caroline should be dunked (and repeatedly imo) in icy cold water and not allowed to escape until at least some small amount of her characteristic rudeness is frozen out.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    4:54pm
    james hird was the coach of essendon when they were caught out using needles and unknown? drugs, Caroline was proven right when essendon got rid of hird and are paying the price now by having more than 10 players outed for drug use, the players only followed the orders of the coaching staff which hird was responsible for.
    as for your last lines, it says a lot about yourself!
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    11:16am
    What has happened to Australia, unable to laugh at such banter anymore. Lighten up and don't be so sensitive. It was funny and no Eddie M was foolish to apologise.
    Polly Esther
    20th Jun 2016
    11:39am
    Yes I wish I knew, and it is not just confined to Australia though.
    It's all become just so very sad.
    doclisa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:09pm
    This 'it's a joke' why dont you get it. is just a horible nasty way of boys behaving. for grown men to use it as an excuse in these very public circumstances is a major failing. It is NOT A JOKE.
    Attacking women IS NEVER A JOKE>

    He should be sacked.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:14pm
    doclisa and you should try to laugh. It was not an attack, a threat or anything of that nature it was an off the cuff comment and not intentional, demeaning but just a joke. I think CW should apologise, not Eddie, for making mountains out of molehills.
    Kiri
    20th Jun 2016
    11:48am
    Sorry Brissiegirl, I don't like Caroline Wilson much either, but this was a tasteless joke and Eddie McGuire should know better. You would think he'd be careful not to make any remark that has a sexist connotation, particularly in relation to Caroline Wilson (after previous derogatory remarks about her). It just shows what he's really like.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    11:52am
    A genuine and funny man, we need more like him especially from some of our politicians who are so politically correct they have lost any sense of humour.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    1:40pm
    The way I heard it it sounded like a joke, Caroline Wilson needs to lighten up and not jump on the sexist band wagon too quickly.
    Richied
    20th Jun 2016
    11:57am
    This sort of banter is heard often, but usually directed at a man.
    maxchugg
    21st Jun 2016
    7:47pm
    Yes, Richied,and provided that man is a white Australian, no problems.
    Gee Whiz
    20th Jun 2016
    12:11pm
    Once again "political correctness" raised its ugly head and turned what was meant to a bit of playful fun into a shooting offense.

    I am absolutely disgusted with the way social media has pumped this issue out of all proportion. Of course the disreputable media went on to have field day with it .

    Then there are those strange creatures who sit around on commercial morning television and giggle incessantly like escapees from a mental institution who had to have their disparaging say.

    We are fast loosing the ability to laugh in this country. Political correctness will eventually end up closing down anything that looks or sounds like fun. The PC gestapo are everywhere.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    12:19pm
    A spade is a spade is a spade, nothing will convince me otherwise. I have not acquired the taste for PC "sweeties". Go Eddie, keep up the good work, I am with you all the way.
    freed1948
    20th Jun 2016
    1:33pm
    Agree with that.This PC BS has got out of hand.
    doclisa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:11pm
    there is NOTHING correct about this. He bullied and threatened a woman with drowning in a public place. It was NOT A JOKE.
    It speaks only of how he really feels about women.

    Being abrasive is not subject to public drowning???
    whats wrong with you thinking that's OK???
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:42pm
    doclisa, I never saw any bullying or threat to actually drown her. How should he feel about women?
    jackyd
    21st Jun 2016
    3:33am
    Excellent reply Gee Whiz.
    ABC 24 couldn't leave it alone.... says a lot about the integrity of the ABC.

    20th Jun 2016
    12:20pm
    Surely we should be concerned about suggestions of violence towards anyone, female or male.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    12:25pm
    Some people need dunking for their own good. Try to come to grips with the real world.
    doclisa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:12pm
    Violence as a threat is violence that is latently there every day...we dont need this kind of man in public place. There are much better men out there...why do you even let him speak for you.
    Sack him
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:34pm
    Likewise we do not need women like CW in a public place, there are much better women out there (somewhere!!) We need more people with Eddie's sense of humour. He made no threats and you are taking the issue out of context, to fit in with your own agenda perhaps.
    jackyd
    21st Jun 2016
    5:00am
    doclisa, if you were prepared to raise funds for charity by sliding down a slippery dip into the molten lava of a fiery volcano and if you were to surface after 15 minutes, then i would be prepared to bomb you to keep you down!
    That should raise at least $500 each and rid the world or two total twats.
    CHEERS.
    Hasbeen
    20th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    " prominent female sports journalist, Caroline Wilson." WHO? Never heard of her.

    She should be flattered that such prominent blokes bother to talk about her, It certainly should raise her profile, if not her usefulness.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    12:53pm
    Why do women always spoil the fun??
    doclisa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:14pm
    Just when you thought you could maybe burn a few at the stack, dunk them and drown them...all in the name of a bit of boyo fun...on your anti violence towatrds women launch weekend....what are you thinking? does anyone ever ask you anything sensible...or do you just apply this bent logic to the world??
    mudGecko
    20th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    The fact that a simple joke has been twisted into a "violence issue" just shows what nonsense dominates the media nowadays. The whole ”anti-sexist outrage” theme is contrived, just another plank in an ongoing, one-sided campaign to denigrate and trivialise men. In Australia this starts in in school and is continued by shrill and hate-filled 'personalities' who have the privilege of media projection.

    I believe the haters' systematic abuse of men is one of the "penalties of peace" (ironically the peace and freedom that permits this hate-fuelled nonsense to gain publicity has been bought largely by deaths of men) and will disappear naturally when there are real issues to It.

    This particular example of nothingness is just plain silly. For a journalist to be offended by others jests is totally beyond belief.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    12:59pm
    It is women like CW that turn men off the fairer (?) sex and into other forms of relationships. Hence more and more men taking the alternative route to real happiness. Many women have turned into man-haters.
    doclisa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:16pm
    No it's not a plank.
    It means that every time someone famous gets away with this some boyo 15 year old boys will drown a lone woman on their way home from footy training, because clearly it's OK...al you iditos have sanctioned it and eddie and his other mates have said that fine...off you go threaten women publically with drowning...yeah it's so FUNNY!!!
    NOT
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:35pm
    Dolisca show me evidence that threats were made. It was what normal people call jovial banter.
    jackyd
    21st Jun 2016
    3:48am
    Another great response from mud Gecko.
    doclisa should go out to the suburbs and communities and stick her head up out there and really find out what domestic violence is all about and not attack a bunch of larricans raising funds for charity.
    poorwomanme
    20th Jun 2016
    1:29pm
    Seeing I am a woman who can give it to the best of men, I have to expect to take a bit of stick as well.
    Imagine my credibility if I dished out on some bloke(and do I !) and then got affronted when he or another dished out on me.
    It's the Aussie way to dish out on another and one of our great attributes as a Nation is that we don't take ourselves too seriously and why should we, life is meant for living but not in a cocoon.
    I never see women complaining about this so lets put it out as being a maleist (is that a word, hahahaha) plot to destabilize the quest for women to be treated the same as men and that includes having the mickey taken out of us where deserved and Caroline Wilson, I am sure, would be laughing herself silly over Eddies embarrassment of his razzing her.
    I am!
    doclisa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:06pm
    Ok...it would be better not to frame these articles with statements like this one has...'we have all done it'. You know what, we haven't. You know what we haven't when our job relies on it. You know what we dont.
    Tge expectation on all of these public figures employed as such by football clubs is to be able to speak, be inclusive, know what they are saying, reach wide uadiences and in this case they were 24hrs into the launch of their own anti-violence against women campaign. To then threaten to publically drown a woman, with the agreed assistance of all the leaders of these clubs is simply not doing your job. The half witted apology ,we were just joking, cant ya take a joke, sorry if you were offended routines that these blokes bring out is really not accepted in the grown up world of international sport and industry. FIRE THEM
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:10pm
    The word drowning was not used, nor were threats made, but some as you do, have implied that it was. It was a joke get over it.
    doclisa
    20th Jun 2016
    3:18pm
    not a joke. never a joke.
    it threatens in one fell swoop much of the good men have done with a stupid violent act...a gang of blokes suggesting getting together and holding a woman under water is not drowning a person???

    it si the>> a joke??
    gee your place must be fun, are the neighbours calling the police in a lot as you think this is how to treat women?
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    4:24pm
    doclisa, well I certainly would not want the likes of you as a neighbour. I prefer to be around fun people with a great sense of humour and no hang-ups. So disliking some elements of what women represent or behave is now policed business!! Wow you seem to have a real hate of fun.
    Amadeoz
    20th Jun 2016
    3:56pm
    Amadeoz
    20th Jun 2016
    3:37pm
    Should verbal, emotional abuse of women (or men, for that matter) be made subject to legal procecution, like defamation? A few cases in which someone has abused a member of the opposite gender with the result that the abuser has to pay a stiff compensation or fine, would soon have a beneficial effect on the frequency. Characters like McQuire are the sorry cases of their upbringing in a climate of arrogant machismo ,they will never change their
    values and behaviour.However, money does talk to them. Let them pay for their abuses!
    jackyd
    21st Jun 2016
    3:56am
    And what were you doing at the time of your rant... raising money for charity?
    Ritza
    20th Jun 2016
    4:01pm
    Koj are you joking? Sam Newman is as talentless as Eddie.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    4:19pm
    Isn't that being demeaning to men.
    Brissiegirl
    20th Jun 2016
    4:21pm
    Compare McGuire going into the ice-pool to help a terminally ill football friend and colleague, Neil Daniher, with the yellers and screamers who are forever waiting for any man to put a foot slightly wrong, even in jest, so they can tear him down. The sensible response from the hag Wilson would be to let everyone know she took it as the joke it was intended and will give them all an equal stir when the opportunity arises. I seem to recall the Gillard woman hurling abuse at Tony Abbott, father of three lovely young women and long-time committed husband, slagging him as a misogynist and he had to sit there and take it on the chin. Gillard showed no respect for the women in Abbott's family and how her blathering nasty tongue must have hurt them. Where all this rubbish came from is the weird self-promoting Germaine Greer who couldn't even wait until Steve Irwin was buried before character assassinating him. If I were a man I'd be giving women a very wide berth these days and the evidence can be seen in the thousands of frizzled up nit-picking old bag whining women in their mid 30's - 50's still trying to land a man on internet dating websites, obviously without much success.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    4:29pm
    Thank you, at last a female voice telling it as it is. I enjoyed our comment, very factual and without the need to insert any PC words.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    5:18pm
    the language used by this so called contributor says enough, it shows the lack of class, an attribute which can't be bought nor taught.
    Brissiegirl
    20th Jun 2016
    5:25pm
    I have sufficient enough class to know that the beginning of a sentence requires a capital letter.
    Not P.C. enough heemskerk99? Truth hurts? Deal with it.
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    5:27pm
    Brissiegirl. well said.
    Ricardo
    20th Jun 2016
    5:37pm
    here is another perfect example of a female getting their own way because something doesnt suite them- i dont know where domestic violence comes into it - poor blokes cant even have a joke anymore because it might offend some $%#&*&^#- a lot of females joke about blokes all the time we laugh it off maybe they should do the same instead of whinging or is that in their DNA??
    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    5:49pm
    CW should have thought twice about her comments. Domestic violence has nothing whatsoever to do with Eddie's joke. To infer that it does weakens the resolve to deal with the real issues facing victims of DV.
    Brissiegirl
    20th Jun 2016
    5:50pm
    Ricardo, it's a learned/taught behaviour. It began with the shrivelled up Germaine Greer who made a career out of publicising her negative personal views about men. Gullible women actually believed the over-th- top drivel she was being paid to perpetuate. So many of us painted ourselves into a corner. "Women can have everything". Now that we have "everything", we are running as fast as we can to stay where we are and men believe that we want to do "everything". Recently Mark Latham was pilloried for saying that Rosie Batty is demonising men. Rosie began by calling the murder of her son "domestic violence" (I don't believe Luke's father was living with them) and lately I notice it is "family violence". I wish we could read some stories about and accolades for the thousands of quietly wonderful fathers, sons and brothers instead of all the whining thin-skinned women who take every joke as a personal attack. I am just so over them they are an embarrassment to my gender.

    20th Jun 2016
    6:15pm
    Caroline wilson a stupid bitch eddie mcguire a dickhead and doclisa on this blog a complete fool
    jackyd
    21st Jun 2016
    4:05am
    I would give you a license to go a little bit harder on doclisa!
    Not Amused
    20th Jun 2016
    8:09pm
    So it is not ok for men to be direct in their opinions about women, but when Germaine Greer told Julia Gillard she has a fat a..se, not a word of complaint. I can't even imagine the public fuss had it been a man making that rude comment about Gillard's rear end. I think those blokes should never have apologised because they just look like a bunch of weaklings and I bet they are really giving it to Wilson off air! If the women don't like male talk in a male world where football is a rough game, stay out of it.
    jackyd
    21st Jun 2016
    4:22am
    CHEERS!
    Ricardo
    20th Jun 2016
    8:10pm
    brissiegirl its sad that the sense of humor the aussie bloke is famous for is dying- in the end take the humor out of the bloke and the parties and life is also dead - the big worry is the next generation that wont know what we are talking about and unfortunately to them that life is normal to them and we see it now that the fun we had with free speech is now silenced and the young people see drugs and ice as there trendy social life and find it hard to have a good time without- god help us and future generations!!!


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    niemakawa
    20th Jun 2016
    8:38pm
    I will never bow to PC, it has no place in a democracy. The many followers of PC are more than likely the first to break their own rules, but will not tolerate others that do not do as they say. The chicks of today miss out on so much, by alienating the men in their lives at home or socially. Lighten up girls and have fun.
    Strummer
    21st Jun 2016
    8:24am
    I remember when PC was called bad manners.
    niemakawa
    21st Jun 2016
    9:26am
    Eddie has apologised but the AFL in its stupidity wants to pursue the issue further. Eddie should not have a apologised at all and has done a great disservice to men and many women by doing so. A trivial incident taken completely out of context and now the bloodhounds are out in force, many who have agendas of their own that have little or anything to do with this matter. What is wrong with this over the top PC abusive Country?
    Janran
    21st Jun 2016
    2:02pm
    Did any of you dinosaurs actually watch Caro last night on FOOTY CLASSIFIEDS, where she is one of the panelists? If you did, you must have observed her calm demeanor (not a bit of your "screaming" or "whingeing" or "shouting"). You knockers out there are simply liars - yes, making it up to suit your own bias.

    It was social media who picked up Eddie's stupid comments and the yes-boys who joined in on his so-called joking banter. If you dinosaurs think it was funny, you either hate Caro or you lead such very dull lives that you will laugh at anything. It wasn't clever or funny - it was just a nasty bunch of boys ganging up on someone who wasn't there to defend themselves. Would Eddie have even made the comment if Caro was present? I don't think so. Bullies never have the guts to bully unless they have the power or numbers over their victim.

    Eddie has form when it comes to not understanding what it's like not to be entitled. In his apology (for a Collingwood fan who called Adam Goodes an ape), he made a joke about Adam playing a role in a King Kong movie. I believe he was just trying to "lighten up" with another so-called joke, but it just proves he doesn't understand what it's like not to be the one born with the privileged spoon in his mouth. He hasn't got the imagination to consider what it's really like to be black or female, or the pain, grief and hurt as a result of the historic effects of racism and sexism.

    There's no doubt our society needs a good shake-up, and calling out racism as Adam did, was a great start to this debate. Decent and courageous people have to call it when they see (and feel) it. I had a shudder go down my spine when I heard the words "hold her down". I have ancestors who were drowned in a lake tied to the end of a plank and burnt to death at the stake, because they were females who possessed too much knowledge of herbs and healing.

    The hateful, dinosaur blogger who referred to Caro as a hag is just an example of an entitled boy who only wants pretty young female faces on TV (if "we" have to have females on TV at all). You just can't handle a very knowledgeable, older woman having the airwaves with her opinion, which differs from yours. Grow up.

    21st Jun 2016
    2:13pm
    At times Eddie successfully hides his past, for a while, but deep down he really still is a Broadie bogan.
    gumby
    21st Jun 2016
    2:18pm
    Come on, all in good fun, Ed was doing the ice thing to raise money , this woman needs to grow up, she seems to drain and get her power any slimey way she can, look at the damage she has done, Ed has received so much abuse from women about this, is he sooking about it, I hope not, now Holden is thinking about stopping sponsorship, what absolute rot, please everybody growup.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2016
    2:22pm
    Can the growing up please include Eddie?
    Janran
    21st Jun 2016
    4:53pm
    All in good fun, Gumby? Really? Why don't you get it - it's NOT FUNNY. And check your language, mate: "she seems to drain and get her power any slimey way she can" and "look at the damage she has done" - she didn't do anything! Eddie did it all on his own! He's only got himself (and his little sucking up boy band) to blame.

    Can you imagine the abuse Caro has had to endure over the years? When her media colleagues get together, (without her presence), they scheme to drown her. But that's OK because it's for charity and all "good fun". Those blokes are the ones cashing in on the charity event, then turning it into something ugly. I reckon Neale Daniher won't be happy - his wonderful and brave efforts to raise funds for MND sullied by these clowns.

    The AFL has had to step in because they know that women make up half their audience, memberships and donations. As hard as it is for you dinosaurs to get through your thick skulls - "we" includes women and "we" includes Indigenous people. We are here to stay and we will not stop fighting you until you accept we are all equal.

    It would be a terrible thing for Collingwood fans if they lost their Holden sponsorship. Maybe Eddie will have to step down from his Presidency to stop that from happening. Let's see if he cares more about Collingwood than his own power. Most Collingwood fans I know don't like how Eddie forced Bucks into coaching the Club before Mick Malthouse was ready to leave, especially considering Mick's incredible coaching record and prowess.

    Like I said before, Eddie would not have started the comment if Caro were present at the time. Would he have picked on Sam Newman? I don't know. But if you wanted to think of someone truly objectionable, Sam Newman would fit that bill. Not because he's a vain male, but because he deliberately goes out of his way to insult people - it's part of his "show". He is intelligent enough to know what he's doing - I'm not so sure about the radio mob.
    niemakawa
    21st Jun 2016
    5:00pm
    Sensible women would see it for what it is jovial banter. Inly a small minority have been offended. I think CW should apologise, not Eddie.
    Cactus
    21st Jun 2016
    5:19pm
    I fail to see why violence against women only is so deplored, surely it should be violence against anyone ....man, woman or child.
    niemakawa
    21st Jun 2016
    5:31pm
    Many women are abusive to their male partners, maybe not so much physically but perpetual nagging is criminal, but they get away with it. Trouble today too many people are emotionally weak . Get tough.
    Janran
    21st Jun 2016
    5:53pm
    I agree Cactus - why pick on anyone?

    niemakawa, you contradict yourself: Are you saying you are too emotionally weak to handle perpetual nagging? Or are you saying that perpetual naggers should be criminally charged for assaulting your ears?

    If it's the latter, then I have a remedy - wear earplugs and nod your head. (and "Get tough."). It's not so easy to ignore someone who is physically assaulting your person with fists or weapons.

    Just remind me, what did Caro do, that you think she should apologize for?
    niemakawa
    21st Jun 2016
    7:25pm
    Janran. Being a real man I am emotionally stable. But that does not mean that perpetual nagging ( emotional abuse)) is, as you seem to believe it is , any different from a man emotionally abusing a woman. Maybe Woman should wear earplugs. I do not condone physical abuse of any kind on any person. CW could have told the predators ( the media) that she does not want the matter pursued. But no she chose to climb on the band wagon with them and pillory Eddie, unnecessarily. It was mean and vindictive on her part.
    Janran
    21st Jun 2016
    7:52pm
    How about answering my questions, Mr Emotionally Stable?...
    " 1) Are you saying you are too emotionally weak to handle perpetual nagging?
    2) Or are you saying that perpetual naggers should be criminally charged for assaulting your ears?"

    I don't believe there's any difference, whomever nags whom. Do you think (sexist) that only women can perpetually nag? Or do you only call it nagging when it's a woman doing the talking?

    On the rare occasion when my husband nags, I have the choice to ignore him or to listen. If it is something really important to him, I'll listen. I don't bother nagging because I know he won't listen, same as me.

    I'm glad to hear you don't condone physical abuse of any kind.
    But do you really expect Caro (she's a high-profile journalist) to be always scanning social media in case someone says something about what someone said about her? And jump online to say "Stop that please" or "Don't pick on Eddie"? Get real - she's busy. It had already blown up on social media before she even knew what went down. Why are people so wanting to blame her?

    Again I ask, what did Caro do to deserve your vitriol?
    Again I say, Eddie has form.
    niemakawa
    21st Jun 2016
    7:59pm
    You know damn well that men are brought to account by the law if the emotionally abuse (nag)their woman so do not try and circumvent the issue. Nagging is not allowed in my house, by either party. CW should have come out and stated unequivocally that she took Eddie's off the cuff comment as jovial banter. When she does that then may stop the media persecution of Eddie.
    Janran
    22nd Jun 2016
    12:02am
    This makes no sense: "You know damn well that men are brought to account by the law if the emotionally abuse (nag)their woman so do not try and circumvent the issue."

    What is this? I've never heard of a court of law hearing where someone was accused of nagging. It sounds like YOU are the one trying to circumvent the issue. Nagging is annoying, but it's not emotional abuse.

    And now you're telling Caro how she should react and behave? You have no such authority.
    ex PS
    26th Jun 2016
    1:29am
    Must disagree Janran, part of breaking a prisoner of wars will is to continuously repeat the same question over and over and over again until the victim loses the will to resist the will to resist. This to me sounds very much like nagging. Are you saying that on such an occasion the term emotional abuse does not apply?
    Caro can act or respond any way she likes, but just being a woman does not make her right.
    We must ask the question, if it were a group of women making the exact same comments about a man in a similar position, would there be the same level of outrage?
    Has this women been treated any differently than men are in the same industry?
    Many men have been thrown out of the family home when women have sought and been given restraining orders, these are given on the say so of doctors who only have to suspect that the spouse is causing it.
    gumby
    21st Jun 2016
    6:26pm
    By the way to those who replied to Gumby, I am a 68 year old "FEMALE"" we women need to grow up, the old Cara should have taken him up $50,000 to hold her under water for 10 secs she could have donated it to a charity of her choice. Stop attention seeking.
    Janran
    21st Jun 2016
    6:43pm
    Grow up then, if that's what you think you need to do.

    Why do you continue to blame Caro for something she had nothing to do with? How is she "attention seeking"?

    Maybe we should blame Eddie's mother, because we clearly need a scapegoat and women are the cause of everything wrong in the world. Is that right? Am I finally growing up and seeing the light?
    niemakawa
    21st Jun 2016
    8:01pm
    Yes I agree gumby.
    niemakawa
    21st Jun 2016
    8:09pm
    Janran you still have a way to go, but keep trying. You seem to have a persecution complex of some kind. Women and Men should be treated the same and neither sex afforded special treatment. Men are continuously scrutinised by the media , women's lobby groups and many female MP's to make sure they use language which they, the women, agree with. Let men be men and accept their ways. ,
    Not Amused
    21st Jun 2016
    9:34pm
    Because I am a woman, would I be allowed to say in jest the same things that the men clowning around about Wilson did? What a witch-hunt this has been turned into. Everyone knows the men who were giggling at the imagined prospect of Wilson in ice would never condone violence against women. Doesn't Wilson disparage people every week with a segment on Footy Classified known as "Caro's Arrow"? That few minutes gives me the creeps and it's so authoritarian and unbecoming. Why doesn't anyone ask Wilson if she's bothered to figure out why people don't like her, and why the thought of paying $10,000 to see her uncomfortable in ice would be so relished by others, including myself. Maybe ask James Hird who probably should have sued her a long time ago.
    Not Amused
    21st Jun 2016
    9:39pm
    P.S. The men weren't laughing about a desire to to see her uncomfortable because she's a woman. It was to do with her history as a journalist who has wanted to be involved in a man's sport in a male environment.
    Janran
    21st Jun 2016
    11:30pm
    Caro doesn't care if people like her or not. She knows she'll never win a popularity contest, but she never entered such a contest.

    It seems you people can't bear to accept that she is an expert in her field with your comments: "It was to do with her history as a journalist who has wanted to be involved in a man's sport in a male environment." and ""Caro's Arrow"? That few minutes gives me the creeps and it's so authoritarian and unbecoming."
    Can't you see how sexist your language is? If a woman is an authority on a subject, you think it's unbecoming? And you think it's some sort of crime against God that she should chose to be a journo "...involved in a man's sport in a male environment." ?

    The times they're a-changing. AFL is now a woman's sport, too. Actually, AFL has always involved women, although more behind the scenes. Did you see that photograph of Carlton's 1933 women's team?

    Do you complain when Rob Wright is appointed as the coach of the NSW Swifts netball team? Why shouldn't a male be involved if he has the talent? Do you think it is unbecoming for a male to coach in a predominantly female sport?

    And niemakawa, you say "Women and Men should be treated the same and neither sex afforded special treatment." but then "Let men be men and accept their ways." ??? No, I won't ever accept sexist ways. And who are you to think your sexist views are representative of all men? Thank heavens they are not and there are many decent, thoughtful men who don't share your view. They are not jealous of women because they're big enough to celebrate all good human endeavour, regardless of the sex of the performer.

    Get off Caro's back. She's done nothing to deserve this, except for being female and being good at her job.
    Janran
    21st Jun 2016
    11:43pm
    I like James Hird and I think the Essendon players were very badly treated. But who thought it was OK to let their team be regularly injected by someone who was not the club doctor? Someone had to take the blame and James, to his credit, did not hesitate to put his hand up.

    Mistakes were made but the players were and still are being punished more than anyone else. Will Stephen Dank ever be brought to justice?
    niemakawa
    22nd Jun 2016
    8:34am
    Janran. Please explain ( not another diatribe please) how my comment "Women and Men should be treated the same and neither sex afforded special treatment." but then "Let men be men and accept their ways." ???" can be construed as sexist. Yet again a woman twisting words to suit their own agenda. Maybe you need to dunk your head in an icy bucket of cold water to clear your muddled thinking. That goes for any man who also has taken the whole episode out of context. As for Eddie, his apology was unnecessary, he knows it, but capitulated under the pressure from the unintelligent media. Shame on you Eddie. CW is the one at fault here as I said in a previous comment.
    Not Amused
    22nd Jun 2016
    8:58am
    Once again Janran there is confusion over the issue as a taunt against her gender. Male television presenters/commentators often "have a go" at each other but it's never made out to be something sinister. What I am trying to convey is the hypocrisy of women who want to be involved in men's football but want it sanitised to suit their somewhat precious dispositions. Unlike the sensible Rebecca Maddern new to the Footy Show who isn't offended by the constant joking and buffoonery of her male counterparts. The trend is for women requiring to work in a male environment but be treated with kid gloves, ring-fenced from criticism of their style or their opinions. They just don't "roll with the punches" as do their male counterparts. There's an old saying, "If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen." Again, the references to Wilson were nothing to do with her gender. I know Wilson wouldn't care what people think of her, but from what McGuire hinted, there seems to be an element of "gotcha" in her person to person research manner. None of those men should have capitulated because appeasement only fuels their desire for power.
    Swinging voter
    22nd Jun 2016
    9:20am
    The perpetually offended, a modern attention seeking method that foolish people wallow in. As with any method, when it gets overdone it loses it's value. Caroline Wilson should have fired back with a magnanimous show of strength - offer to go down a slide for a combined $100,000 for MND. She was given a perfect opportunity to do something good instead of whinging playing the victim card.
    Janran
    22nd Jun 2016
    10:12am
    niemakawa, there's nothing sexist about your comment "Women and Men should be treated the same and neither sex afforded special treatment." But then you contradicted yourself with "Let men be men and accept their ways." I construed this last sentence as sexist because it assumes your version of "men's ways" as being representative of all men.

    I'm quoting you verbatim so don't accuse me of "Yet again a woman twisting words to suit their own agenda."

    If I said "Let women be women and accept their ways", I think I should have to define what "their ways" are, an impossible task. We are a diverse bunch, us people, and I think you are limiting everyone by slotting them into a narrow category. And you are totally excluding people born of indefinite gender, not as rare a phenomenon as you might think.

    I'm dedicated to challenge the exclusive boy's club mentality. I won't stop.

    Not Amused, stop saying AFL is a male environment. It's not. It's an insult to all the women involved in AFL, as if they don't count. Wake up. The AFL has.
    niemakawa
    22nd Jun 2016
    2:37pm
    If the truth be known The AFL's main concern is sponsorship, not the game itself. Many officials in the game and men in general consider it a game for men, but in my opinion many have capitulated under the weight of that scourge in our society , namely PC.
    gumby
    22nd Jun 2016
    1:55pm
    If we get this type of reaction to this, what is it going to be like when womens footy starts, do we all, and I mean males and females get issued with a roll of tape to stick our mouths up, so we dont say the wrong thing to offend the players or the women (if any ) umpires, was it worth all the problem, NO! No! No!
    niemakawa
    22nd Jun 2016
    2:11pm
    I won't be watching it. It will probably be telecast on ABC as is Women's football and Cricket, which I have seen snippets of. I noticed there were very few supporters in the stands. AFL will more than likely be the same. As yet, we are not forced to watch women playing these sports but to say we don't may become a criminal offence down the track.
    Swinging voter
    22nd Jun 2016
    2:20pm
    Sorry, I pressed "Report" twice when meaning to press "Reply". Apologies to the moderator/administrator and the relevant commenter.
    Swinging voter
    22nd Jun 2016
    2:26pm
    Janran you have given an order so typical of today's speech police: "stop saying AFL is a male environment. It's not. It's an insult to all the women involved in AFL, as if they don't count. Wake up." Goodness me. That's exactly what others are saying - now you are falling into the same trap - telling people what to say when we are supposed to be a country that can have an opinion without fear or favour. No I won't stop saying the AFL is a male environment because it largely is. It was one of the last male domains until women decided they could force their way in. I wonder if male spectators will be put in gaol for yelling at the women footballers, that is if anyone watches women's sport and they mostly don't.
    Janran
    22nd Jun 2016
    2:48pm
    You're entitled to say anything patently wrong or stupid you want to. Do you know the female : male ratio of AFL club members?
    Are you now being so sexist as to deny their very existence?

    Someone, (a male relative), recently tried to tell me the Earth is flat, but that doesn't make it true. But he's allowed to say it if he wants.
    ex PS
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:00am
    Yes, what happened to "Give me a job in a male dominated field, and you will not have to treat me any differently?" If this had happened to a male commentator would there be any comment?
    don't like Eddie, but this is just a PC motivated beat up.
    Ripped Off Granny
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:46am
    this has been taken totally out of context, the woman is degrading herself time to grow up females if this is the worst you get then think yourself lucky,no it is not derogatory
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:10am
    Problem too many women today think they are extra special far above men. They want equality everywhere yet once achieved they are driven by their large egos to change men and make them behave according to the rules of women. It's a tough world out there. Many women still have a lot to learn in that respect.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:59am
    niemakawa, please contact me when equality is achieved - we'll continue the discussion then. Probably not in our lifetimes.

    All I ask is for people to act within the law. Eddie didn't break any laws, he was just nasty with a mob of Victorian men, ganging up on someone who happens to be a woman and journalist who has spoken up about AFL matters (eg. equalization for Swans, GWS, Lions and Suns, the non-AFL interstate teams), for which Eddie has tried to impose his will within the AFL. These men don't like her because they see her as invading their male domain, just as you do. I don't think they were deliberately sexist, but just that when you're born entitled you're understandably ignorant of your privilege, much like many people who are born rich.

    And speaking of large egos...are they only acceptable for men to possess? Or is it a "degrading" trait for women to possess, Ripped Off Granny? How has Caro degraded herself?
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:09pm
    At least we appear to agree on one thing. Equality will never ever be achieved not only in our lifetime but for eternity. Men and Women have inherent differences, which is how our Creator organised things. Women have their gyms where no man can set foot. There are no' clubs anymore exclusively for the use of men, that is against the law. Why should that be? Just be happy being a woman and get on with life. You seem to be very frustrated over a minor incident. Relax.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:48pm
    So now you think the Creator is sexist? I don't think She is. Or do you believe that Eve was once Adam's rib? The Old Testament was written (exclusively) by men, not God.

    Besides that, I thought we had free will, so the Creator hasn't organized anything. It's up to all of us to make a good, fair world. Don't hide behind the Bible, written by mere mortals.

    There are still all-male clubs in Australia, at least regarding full membership. I don't care as long as us tax-payers aren't funding them. It's the last place I'd want to go to, anyway. Do you want to go to an all-female gym?

    You'll be surprised to know that I am a happy person, unlimited by others' expectations of me. As Michelle Payne so wonderfully put it "Youse can get stuffed" if you think my gender will stop me achieving anything I aspire to. I am, however, frustrated by others' inability to recognize unfairness. You can drag a horse to water but...I'll just have to let you go your ignorant way.
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:59pm
    Janran, I have offered my help to bring some happiness in to your confused life, but to paraphrase part of your last comment: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Are you not thirsty? No I personally do not want to go to an all-female, why would I ? nothing to learn by doing so. Aren't all books written by mere mortals, but some are more comforting than others and put a true perspective on the meaning of life.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:23pm
    Oh thank you, great bwana, for all your help. I don't know how I'd cope without your incredible guidance.
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:27pm
    That's OK I knew I could win you over. Now sit down have a nice cup of coffee or tea or maybe something stronger and pray to the lord that you have a been saved.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:42pm
    Yessum, Master. Perhaps I could go fetch your slippers?
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:05pm
    Janran. Thank you kindly for the offer, I already have a wonderful lady who has the privilege to do that for me.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:21pm
    Let me know if your situation changes - I'll wait in the line to serve you, given the privilege and opportunity.
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:35pm
    Janran. I will keep you in mind for this important role.
    jamesmn
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:57pm
    bucket mouth SAM Newman at it again because Eddie is a mate of his he should also be made to apolagise to Caroline but you would probably get one like Eddie did he did not mean 1 word of it he only apologized because the heat is on him he should be sacked as CEO of collingwood then you have the idiot McLaughlin saying he was glad its all been sorted out he could not run a school party what a idiot Holden should withdraw their sponsorship of collingwood Eddie was the instagater of the whole thing and should pay dearly for it.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:59pm
    I just saw Newman on the Footy Show - what an old buffoon! He is nasty, vicious, vain and arrogant. Like I said earlier, he's deliberately insulting but the other boys did it unintentionally, I think.

    Bec Maddern and James Brayshaw showed they are class acts. As Bec so rightly said, language is important.
    gumby
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:04pm
    Sorry people out there, but I too cannot stand Sam Newman hes an old fart that thinks hes still 20 something, hes just an attention seeker, move over and let some of our younger guys have a go, I would rather watch Gia the ex Western Bulldogs player, hes a hunk, and I am a Collingwood supporter.
    fish head
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:17pm
    Are we not getting a tad precious? How many times in the middle of a kerfuffle have you heard some say - Oh just take him out and drown him. Haven't heard of anyone being charged with uttering threats of bodily harm yet.
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:21pm
    I did not hear the word drown and it was not a threat either. it was simply the excitement and the adrenaline working over the upcoming charity event. Well done guys, keep the fun rolling, before it is all taken away from us.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:08pm
    I hate to have to bring this up, but most women and children murdered by their husbands and fathers ARE threatened before the crime is committed. If only the murderer COULD be charged before they carry out their threats, more than one woman a week wouldn't be murdered in Australia.

    Threats are used to intimidate, control and bully.

    I don't think the judge would accept this from the accused "It wasn't a threat, Your Honour, it was simply the excitement and the adrenaline working over the upcoming (whatever) event."
    You know what you said is bald-faced bullshit, niemakawa.

    They may not have used the word "drown" but they did say "I'll hold her down" and (others) "can bomb her from the sides" "hahahahaha" giggled the sycophants. If she survived that, it would prove she's a witch!!!
    niemakawa
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:17pm
    Janran, You have taken the whole episode out of context. Reflect on what you have said and think again. We are finished here, so I can't help you anymore.
    Janran
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:06pm
    No, YOU are finished here, so I can't help you anymore.
    jamesmn
    24th Jun 2016
    4:25pm
    seeing SAM likes to mouth off let him name the collingwood players that were caught over with drugs earlier this year but Eddie had their names suppressed what did he do pay off the afl ??? 2 sets of rules for essendon and collingwood and Eddie seeing he is a good mate of Eddie and cloake he would defiantly know who these players were???
    Janran
    24th Jun 2016
    4:36pm
    About the only thing I've agreed with Sam is when he came out and said the Essendon players were badly treated, given it has never been proven what drugs they were actually injected with.

    But I agree with you, jamesmn, there are double standards when it comes to Collingwood.


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