Medicare benefits may soon become privately operated

Will the government privatise the Medicare payments system?

The Medicare payments system, along with other government benefits, may become privatised if the government follows through with a controversial new policy change.

The Turnbull Government is examining the possibility of outsourcing the $42 billion Medicare payment system and pharmaceutical and aged-care benefits systems to the private sector, after reports that a well-developed proposal is being prepared for the May 2016 Budget.

Medicare payment transactions currently cost the government $42 billion each year. Health Minister Sussan Ley said the change will enable the Department of Health to work more efficiently, as it investigates ways to “digitise its transaction technology for payments to a more consumer-friendly and faster format.”

“Every day Australians use cards to make 'tap and go' payments, and apps to make payments, and yet Medicare has not kept up with these new technologies,” she said.

 “This is part of our commitment to ensuring the government embraces innovation and is agile and responsive to changes in the digital economy," she said.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten attacked the privatisation scheme and accused the Turnbull Government of being “anti-Medicare.”

“The Liberals are always running around attacking Medicare. They did it in the 2014 Budget, they did it in the 2015 Budget… In their DNA they are anti-Medicare being the universal health provider," Mr Shorten told reporters.

He went on to say that the Federal Opposition will continue to defend Medicare: “If Malcolm Turnbull wants to make the 2016 Federal Election a fight about Medicare, Labor will stand up for Medicare for all Australians.”

However, Ms Ley said the government is “committed to Medicare” and claimed Labor was intentionally trying to frighten the public to serve their own political agenda.

“Attempts by Labor and the CPSU to scaremonger as a negative for consumers shows their focus is on politics over patients.”

Given they have existing online payment and supply structures, Australia Post, Telstra, the big banks and eftpos providers are reportedly showing interest in the ‘Digital Payments services Taskforce’, which was developed by bureaucrat John Cahill. Some foreign multinational companies, including Serco, Fuji-Xerox and Accenture may also put in bids.

Accountants KPMG, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Ernst & Young, Deloitte McKinsey and Boston Consulting will all submit applications to design the business case for the possible privatisation.

Read more at theage.com.au

Opinion: A risky game

If the government goes through with the privatisation of Medicare, PBS and aged-care payments, it will be the first time the private sector has delivered a national service subsidised by the government.

It would mean shifting the $42 billion operation to a big company, possibly outside Australia. Australians are protective of their private information, and outsourcing the payment system overseas will give people no choice but to allow their personal information to be given over to an external source.

Most importantly, the cost of running the payments system would not reduce. That $42 billion must come from somewhere, and you can bet that whichever private company takes over won’t be fronting the money. Additionally, this proposed change will almost certainly mean the loss of thousands of public service jobs around the country.

The Turnbull Government wants to find a new way to deliver payments and hopefully save itself some money – and it believes outsourcing Medicare is the key. But our government is on the precipice of launching what many Australians will see as a huge attack, and in doing so, it has also opened the floodgates for the Federal Opposition to jump in and use it as a political campaigning tool.

While surrendering some of the costs of running Medicare to a private company may prove beneficial in the short term, handing over the reins of such an essential service to a third party is a risky game. The more government operations are run by the private sector, the more the nation and its citizens lose control of their lives.    

One critical point to make is that the private sector is driven by two objectives: profit and return to its shareholders, rather than care for its customers. When we consider this, the fact that Medicare (which already owns a monology on public health services) could become a feather in the cap of a big company or even a multinational becomes even more unsavoury.

Get ready for another wild ride, folks.

What do you think? Is the Turnbull Government making a mistake with this move? Would you support or the privatisation of Medicare if it meant the government could put the $42 billion saving to better use? Or do you believe that the Turnbull Government would be handing the Opposition just another stick with which to beat them in the Federal Election?





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    sidney70
    10th Feb 2016
    10:16am
    Why not sell off all of Australia and get it over with. We haven't got much else to sell.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    10:32am
    sidney70, that is why we always come off so badly in trade negotiations. We have no bargaining chips left, or at least none that our counterparties see as valuable.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:17pm
    It never ceases to amaze me that Liberal governments in general in this one in particular want to have nothing to do with anything which looks after the country's citizens.....unless they are rich. Here we go again.
    If this ends up in the private sector then IT WILL COST MORE. It always does as the private system milks governments for all they are worth. This will not be any different.
    Quite frankly Turnbull has turned out to be just another stooge who refuses to go after the rich, after multinational tax avoiders, after Tax Shelters whose whole purpose is to minimise tax for the wealthy and after the superannuation rorts of the rich.
    I trust that Australians all appreciate what we have. No matter how bad any opposition could be it has to beat a dead in the water government running up huge debt when there is no GFC and and wanting to plunder the country and give the spoils to those who have no need of any assistance other than to fund a new boat in next year's Sydney Hobart. Sickening!
    libsareliars
    10th Feb 2016
    1:31pm
    Spot on Sidney, grumpy and mick.
    Sen.Cit.90
    10th Feb 2016
    1:55pm
    I was, again was a staunch conservative voter; no more where next? not ALP for sure. Mick often advises vote independent! how does one find out whom they support?
    We need a new system of government, I've often suggested the Switzerland system of government as an example
    Anonymous
    10th Feb 2016
    6:12pm
    Sen.Cit.84, I don't like the ALP at all, but I WILL vote for them, because it's the ONLY way to be sure of getting rid of this toxic right-wing government that is destroying our society. And we MUST get rid of them.

    I'd love to see a new system of government. I like seeing good independents in parliament. But the priority for now has to be to get rid of this dangerous mob of corrupt thieves who are wrecking the country. Vote ALP this time, and focus on driving beneficial changes over the longer term. It won't happen any time soon.
    particolor
    10th Feb 2016
    9:45pm
    Sidney 70.. You beat Me to that one ! I haven't got a Clue what we've got a Government for Now Anyhow ??? :-( THE MINISTER FOR WHAT ???
    Mike
    10th Feb 2016
    10:20am
    If Turnbull doesn't want to run this country and pass it on to private enterprise, then he should GET OUT. I am sick of people like Hockey attacking part pensioners and disabled people whilst he himself and his crooked cronies abused the taxpayers by stealing the $288 travel allowance and using it to pay of their Canberra holiday houses, and Bronwyn Bishop misusing hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money on her greedy self whilst being protected by Abbott and Christopher Paine. Also Abbott misused $500000 of Taxpayers money on a personal vindictive witchunt on Peter Slipper and ruined his life over a $954 cabcharge fare whilst Julia Bishop spent $30000 taxpayers money to fly her frpm Perth to Canberra. I am sick of these polititions who are rorting the system for themselves and are continually attacking the part pensioners and disabled and NOW don't even want to do the little bit of work they were elected to do and just want to privatise everything. GET RID OF TURNBULL>
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    10:30am
    Regrettably Mike it is not sufficient to get rid of Abbott or Turnbull. You must get rid of the whole bunch of neo-conservatives who call themselves the government.
    Only by installation of a different, socially oriented progressive government can we rid ourselves of the parasites whose most demanding intellectual excercise is to morally justify their greed and avarice.
    sidney70
    10th Feb 2016
    10:39am
    Hear Hear Mike.
    I am sick of sitting back and letting these Government Morons fiddle while the pensioners burn.
    The Bronze Anzac
    10th Feb 2016
    11:29am
    So what's your alternative ? It's all very well being eternally negative, but, in doing so, you should suggest better alternatives in your comments.
    johninmelb
    10th Feb 2016
    11:59am
    Bronze Anzac,

    I agree. When I told these people to get off their backsides and do something instead of carping from the sidelines, they howled me down.

    They only want to whinge and complain, not doing anything real to help their fellow Aussies, downtrodden pensioners and retirees, etc.

    Whinging is a great Aussie tradition, but actually getting off our backsides like the people in Poland many years ago, or the Phillipinos with Marcos and his cronies, etc etc. No way, Aussies just want to complain, then go back to watching the footy or cricket on TV with a few tinnies.
    Gordon
    10th Feb 2016
    12:12pm
    The alternative is not to privatise everything. They seem to have a mindless ideology that everything that is privatised is run better. Look at the situation in NSW with vocational education. They seem determined to wind down the Tafe system (and sell off the land) replacing it with private operators with very few controls and the sector seems to have been over-run with shonky operators (which also risks our 'education provider' reputation overseas)

    And look at Howard selling off Sydney Airport...selling a monopoly to Macquarie Bank...the economic equivalent of putting the cat in charge of the canary cage.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:21pm
    In total agreement Mike. I am sick of this bastard of a government and hope voters are not seduced by what this bunch of lying snake oil salesmen are going to dream up. Maybe they'll rerun the Paid Parental Leave lie. I can't wait.
    Turnbull gone!
    MITZY
    10th Feb 2016
    2:08pm
    GO TO THE "GET-UP" WEBSITE: THEY ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO SIGN THEIR PETITION PROTESTING AGAINST THIS MOVE.
    SUCH DECEPTIVES MEANS AS THIS SHOULD NOT BE LET GO. WE NEED TO PROTEST.
    COME ON "LIFECHOICES" HOW ABOUT A PETITION ON THIS WEBSITE TOO. THE MORE WE RAISE OUR VOICES THE BETTER OFF WE WILL BE. RAISED VOICES HAS PRACTICALLY RULED OUT GST RISES.
    WHO NEEDS AN AMERICAN-STYLE MEDICARE. WE ALL KNOW HOW BADLY OFF THE AMERICAN POOR/PENSIONERS ARE TREATED.
    SORRY FOR THE "SHOUTING" BUT THIS NEEDS NIPPING IN THE BUD.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:28pm
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7

    Sign this petition......WE DO NOT NEED AN AMERICAN STYLE HEALTH SYSTEM. WHICH IS MORE STUFFED THAN OURS IS NOW. AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT LIKE THEIRS.
    GET A GRIP.
    musicveg
    10th Feb 2016
    11:28pm
    I signed, they also need donations to keep up their fantastic work.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    10:25am
    Yet another proposed step in the thinly disguised, idealogically driven process of destroying Medicare, a system held up by the rest of the World as one of the best working systems around!
    Will any savings really be delivered. Forget not that the contractors will not only need to meet costs, but also make profits, layer of cost not required by the current system.
    Remember how the privatisation of electricity supply would lower costs of electricity through the "inherently superior efficiency" of private industry? Reality; from 2008 to 2014 the cost of household electricity has increased by between 40% and 61%. Why? Because the inherently superior private industry misjudged the market and built a system for which there was no demand. Oh, and almost all of the profit is siphoned off to overseas entities.
    Do we really want to risk the same happening to the healthcare system?
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:23pm
    It's clear. They want to pulverise ordinary Australians. Everything this government has done since being elected makes the same statement.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    1:24pm
    The LNP loathe Medicare and will do all in their power to dismantle it. If they can't do it in one go, they will do it bit by bit, introduce a copayment, reduce incentives for bulk billing etc.

    Those on the sidelines, cheering for this to happen should think back to the "good old days" before allowing this to happen. Your Dr charged for the visit, any fee he liked, Specialist fees were very expensive, the public hospital would treat you but there were costs involved. Specialists who worked in public hospitals did so to treat their private patients and as a trade off, they treated public patients and provided education to newly graduated Dr and those training in that specialty.

    There were benovelent health funds that people paid into to hospitalisation but the contributions were beyond many people. As a result many people did not have health insurance so did not seek medical treatment until they were acutely ill.

    With the introduction of Medicare it meant everyone on has access to health care. No, it is not free, it is paid for by the Medicare Levy.

    My sister has lived in the US for many years, She developed a brain tumour, but because wages are low where she lives and health insurance very expensive, she only had very basic medical cover that did not cover brain surgery. She had to wait for two years until she was old enough to qualify for Medicaid, (a type of health coverage for seniors) to have that tumour removed. It continued to grow during that two years.

    Is this the type of health system we want in Australia?

    I am happy to pay an increase in the Medicare Levy, with an assurance from the government that the additional money raised goes to the states to fund the public health system. I am also happy to have the rebate on health insurance dropped to fund public health.
    Brisand
    10th Feb 2016
    10:27am
    How can Outsourcing save money when all they are doing is adding another layer of overpaid executives who's priority is making money?
    dezyna
    10th Feb 2016
    10:56am
    Good call Brisand. There will also be a boatload of shareholders with their hands out.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:25pm
    That is precisely correct Brisand. Just like superannuation funds where the Industry Funds outperform retail funds a privatised Medicare will end up with CEOs and Directors drawing huge salaries....and guess who is going to be paying a fee every transaction to pay them?
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:37pm
    Yes i agree with you Brisand.
    Here is where you can sign the petition, to try to stop it.

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    1:40pm
    Staff wages are the biggest cost to any business, reducing staff reduces costs.

    Outsourcing means another business has to pay the staff wages. Most businesses who outsource move off shore where wages are much lower than Australia.

    If the Medicare payment system is privatised, the company that buys it will not be doing the processing in Australia with its "high" wage costs but move it to a third word country. This is what many big businesses have done already. Have you rang Telstra lately?

    Outsourcing means people lose their jobs, increasing the number of people unemployed, creating a "knock on" effect. Unemployed people don't pay income tax, less tax collected, less government services provided. Unemployed people spend less money,business takings are reduced, more people become unemployed and around and around it goes.

    How does this help the economy?
    Troubadour
    10th Feb 2016
    4:11pm
    My thoughts exactly Brisand. Can't make sense of it at all!
    particolor
    10th Feb 2016
    9:48pm
    You got it in One Mick ! :-(
    Observer
    10th Feb 2016
    10:33am
    Your article is biassed and retrogressive, and reveals the troglodyte leftist views of the authors, who really should be discipline for the misleading thrust and views of the "information" and views being pushed.
    Any attempt to bring Government systems, especially service systems, into the 21st Century and out of the hands of the bureaucrats is to be applauded and supported, not lambasted and twisted. Opinions should be labelled as such not put together with information accompanied by threatening language such as the "wild ride.." and similar. The enormous savings alone give ample justification to move to efficient processing methods.
    The wording of your first paragraph is a classic in misleading composition. If you had said "the privatisation of processing payments for medicare.... it might not have been easy for the cursory reader not be mislead. Your wording promotes an alarmist falsehood. Given that your journos know what they are doing, this is an appalling display of lack of integrity. It is unlikely to be sheer incompetence.
    Come on Life Choices, surely you are better than this. A retraction and clarification, and an apology would be the least you could do.
    Rob
    dezyna
    10th Feb 2016
    11:15am
    Ideologically I stand about two paces to the right of Ghengis Khan. Since Howard lost government neither of the major parties have managed the economy at all well. I had the forlorn hope that when the Libs got back in they would fix the mess that Labor left as they historically always have. Not this time around unfortunately. It doesn't matter which party sells Medicare, it is a huge mistake for the reasons so well articulated by Mike and Grumpy. I am very sensitive to left wing bias such as riddles the ABC. I don't find Life Choices at all left wing.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    11:18am
    Observer I have re-read your post several times. Nowhere in it do I find any reasoned argument in favour of your proposition. What do I find? Only the usual conservative tack of if we don't have any viable arguments let's attack personalities.
    Yours is the first post on this subject to resort to personal vilification i.e. no more than the usual pathetic, thin skinned conservative rant against anything which contradicts your view of the World.
    Oh, and if you look at my earlier posts you will find reasoned argument, not personal attacks.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    12:01pm
    Digital payments via the schmozle the so called "very fast" NBN system? Coming to you soon, one day?

    Ha ha ha. Yeah, in your dreams.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:31pm
    Observer: privatising never produces cheaper outcomes or necessarily better outcomes. They just rob governments of revenue in most cases and escalate costs. Then governments shrug their shoulder and tell people to go away.
    This move has been carefully planned. Some business will make a fortune and we will pay. The government model!
    Nothing "left wing" about the facts.
    MITZY
    10th Feb 2016
    4:16pm
    I've sign all sections of the Get-Up petition a short while ago.

    Get-Up says doctors and nurses are condemning the proposal and Medicare architect John Deeble said: "There's no need for the government to contract out any Medicare service...".

    Get-Up also says: "Out on the media front lines yesterday, defending the leaked proposal, was none other than Terry Barnes, the architect of Tony Abbott's much-maligned GP Co-Payment.

    Go to Get-Up's website and sign the petition, the more fuss we make the more chance we have of quashing this. This is an election year and pollies will be covering their backsides whichever way they can. It just shows how many more Independents we need in government.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:41pm
    thanks Mitzy, that was interesting to know, i hope we can stop this in its track, have a good day.
    tams
    10th Feb 2016
    10:35am
    Here we go again - let's just complain about every single possible option being looked at by government.
    I am completely over the negativity of alternate government voters who have supported previous Labor Governments which got us into this bloody mess.
    I want my children and my grandchildren to have a future which is viable and not debt ridden personally and as a nation.
    So to all of the negative contributors to this site - just get over it and start thinking about your family's future wellbeing. I am.
    Anonymous
    10th Feb 2016
    10:40am
    yes tams you are so right a lot of people on this web sight are so about me,me and only me and bugger the country or the good management of it.
    sidney70
    10th Feb 2016
    10:44am
    It is not Negativity Tams. It is time we lowlifes get our head out of the sand and rise up against Government Bureaucracy and fiddling with the public purse.. Why is it negative to expect a fair go.
    Swinging voter
    10th Feb 2016
    10:55am
    Private enterprise does most things cheaper, faster and more efficiently than government bureaucracies. Canberra is overloaded with overpaid do-nothings (cabbage heads) who contribute nothing to the economic worth of this country. Most of them are career public servants who have no idea about the ways and means of achieving personal satisfaction and the prosperity that can come from getting back what we put in. They arrive at work bury their heads in duplicated gobbledegook paperwork, shuffle it around, argue about who is going to "get a grade" - (promotion and salary increase based on the most flimsy of logic).

    Medicare should be run by private enterprise on the permanent rule that it will always be an Australian owned and operated company.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    11:13am
    Swinging voter you need to examine why things are generally cheaper through private industry. I have worked around government processes. I have seen how simple jobs tendered by government cost 30%-50% more. Why? One of the biggest reasons is that contractors see government as a bottomless source of funds and bump up the prices solely because it is government i.e. private enterprise greed.
    I will admit
    that is not the only reason, but it is a dominant one.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    11:21am
    Tams, look at all of the analysis by much more erudite commentators and analysts than us. It was not Labour which got us into this mess but nearly 20 years of plundering the national purse and income base by the conservative Howard governments.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    12:41pm
    Swinging Voter,

    "Canberra is full of over paid do nothing cabbage heads who do nothing to the economic worth of this country." This is a disrespectful, jaundiced view of our politicians.

    As for the public servants, they are charged with a very difficult job. Over the last twenty five years the public service has been cut to the bone by incompetent management and managers. Measures such as, "multi skilling", "doing more with less", "working smarter not harder" "structural efficiencies" "productivity gains".

    The highly paid people in the public service are the various department heads who are brought in from the outside, on three year contracts. They are brought in to bring in "efficiencies" that follows the same template, amalgamate departments, cut staff, have staff multitask and move on to the next three year contract and do the same again.

    The staff, those that are left are expected to have an in depth knowledge of a number of diverse areas, deal with an increased number of clients with different and diverse needs.

    The average public servant is not "over paid", moving from one grade to another is not automatic and is subject to a set of criteria, eg vacancy, advertising, application, interview etc. A fairer system than most private employers.

    The "goblygook paperwork" is part of processes that allow the system to function. The paperwork provides a record of what has been done and what will be done.

    If the Medicare payment system is privatised it won't go to an Australian company. It will go to a US company who maintain massive server farms in countries such China and India. This is where all the details about you, eg, what you saw the Dr for, what medication was prescribed, how effective was the medication, did you require hospitalisation, what for, how long for, who treated you,etc.

    You will be surrendering of your personal information to a country who may not always be our ally.

    Yes but, we've cut costs and done away with those lazy public servants.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:36pm
    tams: your post defies reality.
    Labor got the nation into debt. But you do not complain about Australians NOT being thrown out of work during the GFC which crippled almost every nation on the planet. Had that happened unemployment benefits would have resulted in debt anyway.
    Please explain why you fail to mention Abbott removing the Debt Ceiling (Labor was able to live within this!) and borrowing just like Labor....but for a wasteful binge and to pay off mates after the election? No mention of that from you. Not from the media either.
    Please run your political advertisement in a Murdoch rag where it will feel at home.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:39pm
    sign the Petition, and perhaps we can stop the looming problem in its tracks. I'm over this privatization rubbish.

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    Swinging voter
    10th Feb 2016
    2:00pm
    Hi mygasheater (good name),
    I worked for both sides of government including departmental heads and the inner sanctum of various ministerial offices.

    I'm just speaking for myself, from 30+ years close observation and experience.

    It was only after leaving the public service for something more interesting in private enterprise that I regretted all those unfulfilled years among the cabbage heads. The waste, the salaries paid to people who are nicely educated but have no experience in the real world. That should be a mandatory job selection criterion. I saw the panic every financial year, throwing left-over consolidated revenue funds around in order to qualify for the same and hopefully a higher level of funding next financial year. That sort of waste. Private enterprise gets far more value for the dollar. I found them more accepting and respectful of employee abilities and limitations, generally more sensible and fairer. Capabilities were encouraged and employees given a good opportunity to shine. As (mostly) a ministerial office employee, there was nowhere near the personal satisfaction of seeing a job begin and follow through, within budget, to the desired conclusion. Being a public servant is just that imo - "being". Turn up, shuffle paper, implement government policy whilst also recommending policy and justifying why and why not things can and cannot be done. It's a monolithic waste of taxpayer money. I've seen so many concocted "blackest day in Australian sport" media arrangements all figured out by politicians and trickled down to cabbage headed public servants. It took a long time but am sorry to say I tend to see through all of it having been there done that.
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    2:20pm
    Tams wake up......... your devoted Liberal Party taking enough....mickie.. out of the Australian taxpayers.........just selling our icons off............... to the overseas companies to the highest bidder..........now attacking Medicare which will hurt many retired Pensioners and the battlers of our country......if it goes through many public patients will never be able to afford any medical help as they wont be able to afford to......as it will be PRIVATE FUNDED
    Anonymous
    10th Feb 2016
    3:09pm
    Give it a go tia we are a little bit sick of bloody pensioners winging about everything that doesn"t go there way lets face it you are only welfare recipitants and free loaders at best.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    4:15pm
    robbo you are truly amazing and so typical of the current hard right wing ranters. My wife and I only got any help at all after 8 years of living entirely on our own resources and losing a significant chunk of our wealth in GFC. I paid top tax rates for 30 years and had virtually nothing from the system, but am now a pensioner.
    Your "only welfare recipients and freeloaders at best" is I think you will have to agree, in my case at least, highly inaccurate, most offensive and scurrilous.
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    4:26pm
    robbo wake up mate .............Retired pensioners worked bloody hard to receive their fortnightly pensions to live on........and its dam Peanuts......... but we manage as we been used to a budget.......Unfortunately not so for our greedy Politicians who keep ripping off the Australian Taxpayers for massive pensions plus all their perks that go with it??????...............robbo.......... Instead of thinking about yourself you should think of others who must be worse off than oneself............who need MEDICARE...........because its people like you that make sick
    Saalbach
    10th Feb 2016
    10:40am
    I think they need to look at the way it works already - I can go to my doctor, pay my bill and immediately get the Medicare refund put into my bank by putting my credit card in their machine. If I lodge a receipt in their office (which keeps moving so I can't find it) they put the money into my account. So what needs to be improved????? Perhaps leaving the offices in the same spot so we can find them would be a start. Heaven help us if it is sold off o/s - I don't want to have to go to Beijing to lodge things.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:42pm
    Not only that Saal, but are you aware how many more aussies are going to be put out of work if this is outsourced???

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7

    Look at this site, and put your name to it, to tell them how unhappy we are about what they are trying to do???
    We like our system, they could improve it. but by outsourcing, does not fix anything. Will put us all in the shit like the americans!!!!
    Hairy
    10th Feb 2016
    10:45am
    Turncoat you've lost me as a voter you and your cronies are traitors to this country.stop selling Australia you bloody morons WE the people don't want it sold.The next thing we will all be having to phone India or some other country to contact Medicare to get rebates.Wat the F hell are you doing for the money you get paid to govern.you are becoming lazy unqualified money grabbing granny bashers the lot of you.GONE next election I can promise you.
    Swinging voter
    10th Feb 2016
    11:07am
    Turnbull won't be gone at the next election, despite his floundering, red face and flustered demeanour. He is obviously way out of his depth. Funny how he devised a plot to become an unelected PM, but he's got no plot on how to BE Prime Minister having it delivered by the blade of a knife. There is no alternative to this government because Labor continues preaching the same pro refugee, monetary hand-out policy, union alliance despite union low membership numbers and known corruption within, as is Labor's philosophy. It doesn't help Turnbull that the public are fed up with left-wing over-spending, buying votes from immigrant communities and union corruption because he's a weak fence-sitter who tries to woo both sides and that won't lose him this election, but it will definitely see him gone by the next, if he doesn't start representing the people who put the LNP in government.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    11:26am
    Swinging voter, heaven forbid that I should speak up in defence of Malcolm, but my take on the situation is that he is trying to get things onto a more reasonable and fairer base. However he is surrounded by the ravening conservative jackals who have been responsible for the long term damage our economy has sustained over20 years of conservative avarice.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:43pm
    Swinging voter: As I read your piece I was expecting you to DEMAND that this government open up its books so that the nation can view election funding from big business and the policies which were a payback for this funding. In criminal circles I understand that the word for this may be graft???? Whilst you go on about unions I suggest that union misdemeanours pale into insignificance compared to the dirty deals done between this government and big business. Please scream for the books to be opened. When that happens I'll join you on the union bandwagon.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:47pm
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7

    Sign here so that turncoat, knows how we feel about it!!
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    4:21pm
    Totally agree mick.
    Since Abbott broke the convention with his union Royal Commission political dirt digging excercise it would only be right and proper for the next Labour government to call a Royal Commission into the relationships between business and the Coalition governments and funding of the Coalition parties by business.
    You refer to criminal graft. I'm sure such a RC would also find evidence of collusive corruption eg railway lines funded by government which serve only mining companies.
    To several poster I've already signed Getups petition, but can't yet work out how to put it on Facebook!
    kev888
    10th Feb 2016
    11:05am
    Beware of the government’s political and economic ideology simply to raise revenue privatization of Medicare, private ownership does not necessarily translate into improved efficiency. A private company [insurance companies are the most likely contenders to succeed in the auction of Medicare] adopt profit making policies and practices that make essential services unaffordable or unavailable to large segments of the population. Privatization for example may not extend ongoing services to the disabled, the less educated and poor. What must be noted is corporation is in the business of profit making increased shareholder dividends and most unlikely to act in the general public interests. Privatization is likely to involve incentives for managers to maximize shareholder value. No service is immune from privatization I am a skeptic as to the security of private client information. Insurance companies are renowned to use any thread of information to avoid payment of compensation claims and medical services. “Appraisal of alternatives needs to weigh concerns of justice, security, and citizenship.”
    Rosscoe
    10th Feb 2016
    11:05am
    Malcolm Turnaround, if you didn't want to run the country, why did you put up your hand to be PM? Sick and tired of this shifty federal government we have. Our health system is the envy of the world and they want to privatize it?????? Let's have an election now and get rid of this mob!
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:46pm
    Remember that Turnbull is an ex Goldman-Sachs man...and that he has an offshore tax shelter so, presumably to avoid rightful taxes in Australia............now hidden from the public gaze thanks to legislation this government enacted recently.
    Turnbull needs to go. He might smile a lot but he has little real empathy for working Australians.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:49pm
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7

    sign here Rosscoe, to let Malcom know how you feel about it, and with a bit of luck it might stop it dead in its tracks.
    and it will let the POLLIES know how we in Australia feel about that :)
    Mike
    10th Feb 2016
    11:08am
    Lets examine the myth that a more efficient private enterprise can save taxpayers money. Firstly , when the CBA was privatised, everyone was saying Great, it will be more efficient and provide better services. The first thing CBA did was to reduce staff and close numerous small branches. Many country people lost their local banks and the service was awful. When the CEO of CBA was invited to explain why hundreds of staff members lost their jobs and thousands lost the service of a local bank, his response was that the bank was now owned by shareholders and his only responsibility was to make a profit. Similiarly Charles Sturt Universty privitised its maintenance and domestic staff. Many local jobs were lost and the remainder ended up on a lower salary. The chancellor explained that instead of calculating rosters and sick and holiday pay and overtime and workers comp, etc, he just spent 10 seconds writing out a cheque, and let the contract company worry about that. The contract company said they had to reduce staff and lower pay because the bottom line was they had to make a profit.
    Junee jail is another example. It was privatised to show how private enterprise could save the state money. What most people didn't know was that much of the expenses were charged to Bathurst Jail. Also the contract company was US based, so all the hiarchy were US personel on high salarys, local people on very low salarys, and all profits siphoned off overseas. Taxpayers money that should have stayed in Australia were siphoned of to the US.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    11:35am
    Well spoken Mike.
    If we look at Victoria's power supply, it became a public utility when Monash was charged with improving the absolutely parlous state of the private industry in the 20's. His solution; the SECV which served Victoria well until privatisation by Kennet. Our power supply now is far more expensive and far less reliable than under the SECV. The only winners were foreign companies, merchant bankers and consultants. Now the dividend which the Vic government used to receive now goes to Singaporean investors.
    KSS
    10th Feb 2016
    12:45pm
    Mike what you say may well be true but does not counter argue whether the resulting private companies were more efficient. Profit is not a dirty word. Neither is change.

    And don't forget that most people are also shareholders through their superannuation funds and they also want a profit on their savings.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:48pm
    ANd let's not forget that the lost dividend revenue was then made up for with higher taxes. The whole thing is a con and we are the losers. Who cares? Certainly not Turnbull as he has his $180 million and offshore Tax Shelter.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    1:56pm
    KSS

    Profit is not a dirty word as long as those profits are not being moved off shore to minimise or avoid paying tax.

    Profit is not a dirty word as long as the profits stay in Australia.

    Profit is not a dirty word when the private companies are actually more efficient.

    Profit is not a dirty word when businesses actually produce more goods or provide better services instead of buying governments to pass laws to reduce tax rates.

    Profit is not a dirty word when businesses pay their own business costs rather than have taxpayers on ordinary wages subdues their multi billion dollar businesses.
    Fobwatch
    10th Feb 2016
    11:18am
    Let's call the selling of Australian assets to foreign powers what it is: Treason.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:50pm
    Thank you. More people need to start talking about governments doing things against the national good and walking away with a big smile on their faces. There should be a Treason Act and governments should not be exempt. There needs to be an end to financial corruption between governments and third parties and real consequences when they misbehave.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:51pm
    yes thats exactly what it sounds like to me.

    Put ya name to the petition on line against it.
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    fearlessfly
    10th Feb 2016
    11:23am
    Absolute freaking lunacy ! Who trusts ANY of the mobs touted as possible service providers ? NOT I Fearless Fly ! DO NOT let any of these mongrels anywhere near Medicare, we'll sure as hell be paying a fee to receive our payments, and there will probably be a hefty fine for not spending the money in due time !
    Ted
    10th Feb 2016
    11:29am
    I have no major issue with outsourcing save for two matters which for me would be deal breakers. Outsourcing should be able to save the Governmnt money which would be good. However, if I put in a claim for a Medicare refund at present the person making the decision about the amount and validity is a public servant who is part of the Department. If it's outsourced will we have a call centre operator reading off a script making the decision and all decisions that are appealed have to go back to the government?

    Secondly, I worry about medical information being held overseas. I have no problem if held in this country but I worry that scammers would be able to get even more information about me to ring me at meal times and use that information to try to scam even more. If the data ends up overseas would Australian law as regards privacy etc apply?

    It s worth thinking about to cut costs but safeguards would have to be built in.
    Cooky
    10th Feb 2016
    11:35am
    Why don't ALL the Pollies Transfer OVERSEAS? We are better off without any of them.
    Anonymous
    10th Feb 2016
    12:51pm
    Well said Cooky, they are turning out to be a bunch of useless bast...s
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:53pm
    LOL aw Cooky thats best suggestion i've heard all day Mate bonza beauty.....We should get a petition on line for that one!! what a thought. but then WHOse gunna rule the JOINTmmm!!!
    Sign ya name to this and complain to about the suggestion Mate

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    2:01pm
    Cooky,

    If they were paid the same as overseas politicians they would be taking a significant cut in pay.

    Our current crop of politicians thane the vision of a blind mullet and smell the same.
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    4:29pm
    Hi Cooky good thinking mate
    Fobwatch
    10th Feb 2016
    11:39am
    Make it clear: the government will NOT save $42 billion per year by privatising Medicare payments. The most it can hope to save is the difference between subsidising a private company and paying its own employees to do the job. How has that worked out for public transport?

    The government does not exist for itself. It's sole purpose is to ensure that we the public receive good-quality universal services at a fair price. The private sector has a very patchy record on this.

    If the argument is that Medicare doesn't have an App, then make one! If the government, being run by clones of Bozo the Clown, has no one who can create a decent app, then pay an expert once off to do it. Cheap, simple, non-disruptive.

    However, if the aim is to reduce the tax burden imposed by the public service, then I have a much better way. Don't keep replacing staff. Reduce the salaries and retinue of the Fat Cats. The universities are a prime target: they cost how much per year to both students' families and state and federal governments? Yet most of this money goes to the salaries of a mostly redundant internal bureaucracy. By their own admission, less than half a university's income pays for teaching or research, which are the sole legitimate reasons for a university's existence. Make university admin as lean as it was in 1970 and the governments will save over $10 billion per year, fees will halve, money will pour in from overseas, and, most crucially for the future of this nation - and as retirees we have enough experience to care the most about future generations - the quality of both teaching and research will improve dramatically. Schools will greatly benefit from better-taught teachers, making all future generations smarter. No more Australian declines in the international education league tables because of dumbing-down or doing things on the cheap because the resources aren't available.

    How about it "Productivity" Commission? How about it, Innovation Prime Minister? Are you content to watch our nation continue to go into terminal decline just to appease enormously wasteful university administrators?
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:53pm
    Don't forget that CEOs and Directors of private companies give themselves HUGE salaries and bonuses.
    This will never be any cheaper. Just more expedient.
    Cooky
    10th Feb 2016
    11:40am
    Hey everyone, if they Sell Aust to overseas, the Govt wont need to Stay in OZ, they wont have
    anything to do, we can Please Ourselves, as many do now anyway
    notelle
    10th Feb 2016
    11:41am
    The LNP should keep their grubby hands OFF our Medicare system.
    Reeper
    10th Feb 2016
    11:43am
    When I saw the interview with the Minister, no mention was made of 'outsourcing' Medicare to overseas. The commentary was that the computer systems in use are old, and dated; as a result there could be considerable improvement in Medicares fiscal activities with updated computer systems.
    The other cry was loss of Public Service jobs...last estimate was that the Public Service was overstaffed in some areas by at lease 15%. As Public Servants can't be moved around the country unless they agree to, many are sitting on their backsides over-populating some areas, leaving others short.
    Perhaps a thorough overhaul of Public servants is the best goal
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:54pm
    So we need a shakeup and streamlining. We don't need highly overpaid Boards and CEOs milking the pot for all that it is worth.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    2:12pm
    Ummm, ahh, emm, why hasn't the government updated the computer systems?

    Pssssttttttt, Sussan you are the government. You can do this.

    How was the over staffing estimatated? Sussan obviously hasn't been in a Medicare office lately.

    Medicare offices do more than just process Medicare payments.

    Oh, making bulk billing compulsory would eliminate a lot of processing by removing one layer of double handling. Zip you card through at the Dr s office, Dr paid.
    Fobwatch
    11th Feb 2016
    8:42am
    Teachers can be moved around at the government's whim, why not other public servants?
    Fobwatch
    10th Feb 2016
    11:45am
    Don't forget: all Singaporean companies that have acquired, eg Optus, are ultimately owned by the Singapore government. Ditto, China.

    These are NOT PRIVATE companies, they are revenue collecting arms of FOREIGN POWERS. Sorry for the capital letters, but this needs to be permanently drummed into everyone's head.

    Lest We Forget!
    particolor
    11th Feb 2016
    8:58am
    I suggest the Federal Government sell the Rest of the Country, and be done with it ! :-( And then they can all Retire to Hawaii ! :-) On their very Comfortable ( Thank You Very Much ) Packages !! :-(
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    11:12am
    OH HELL, i did forget, i knew i was fighting for our survival, thanks for the reminder Fob
    Tom Tank
    10th Feb 2016
    11:45am
    Privatisation has never worked in favour of the consumer.
    Look at Medibank. Increases of gigantic proportion to the CEO's salary along with increases in cost of their coverage which is also reduced.
    It is one bit Furphy this mantra of private enterprise always being more efficient than a government run business. If the profit amassed by private enterprise is taken into account, at the consumers expense, it certainly is not more efficient. They cut the numbers employed and hence the service provided which gives the appearance of greater efficiency but pay ridiculous bonuses to people for simply doing their job.
    This should be the line in the sand and send a strong message that Medicare stays but with suitable investment and perhaps bring in people from the private sector into the top jobs.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    1:57pm
    Exactly. The Commonwealth Bank CEO earns around $8 million. Never happened under direct appointment from government. And then you have a large Board of Directors all with their long snouts deeply imbedded into the feeding trough.
    Rosret
    10th Feb 2016
    12:06pm
    Turnbull is operating the Nation as a business - something he is quite successful at doing. However for the Australian person who is paying taxes to fund medicare get ready for an increase in cost. I cannot think of one utility that has been privatised where the costs to the public have not sky rocketed to fund the share market dividend.
    The business managers of our era are sadly greedy, work on short term market thinking and lack a sense of moral code when it comes to actually protecting the nation's populous.
    One of the most wonderful things that came out of wwII is that we cared for our mates and the social structure and welfare reflected it. Does becoming a more affluent country actually mean we don't care anymore?
    If we want to fix medicare then look at the health system itself not at what the final cost has ballooned out to be.
    Start with schools and educate the children on food and healthy life style and we may start to lower the medical health care cost. We actually need to spend money to save money. We are a wealthy nation - we could do it!
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:00pm
    Good post.
    Probably the biggest problem with the Health System is that people overservice and many cause their own chronic conditions due to lifestyle. There are ways to regulate these but the do gooders will not have a bar of fixing the problem
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    2:32pm
    Rosret,

    People need to remember that with any publically listed company that by law the first duty of that company is to maximise the benefits paid to shareholders, not the customers or clients.

    Governing Australia is not a "business". The purpose of the government is to govern in the best interests of ALL Australians not to look after the vested interests of the few, the elites, mega rich, the very,very wealthy and their political donors.

    A government needs to have real vision and a real plan to meets the needs of its citizens now and in the future. Looking to the next election is not the future.

    A government is there to provide services that benefit the many. The provision of many government services include social services, such as health, education and welfare and so it cannot and should not be run as a "business".

    Governing a democratic, fair and decent country, such as Australia, is more than the "profit and loss" statement of business.
    Tigers
    10th Feb 2016
    12:07pm
    What a nation of whingers and complainers we've become. I sometimes wonder what would make the constant complainers on here happy.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:55pm
    Excuse me Tigers. What sort of a fool are you!!!
    Think about what that will mean to you if the suggestion that they are making go's ahead????

    SAY NO
    sign ya Name HERE if you have a rethink, which i hope you do???
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:01pm
    Yeah tigers.....double your taxes. You deserve it. And by the way the rich won't be paying for your share.
    Fools come in many sizes. I have to shake my head.
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    2:15pm
    buby and Mick...........Yah you have touch a raw nerve with Tigers?? he got to be a Liberal voter......and his party does no wrong
    Tigers
    10th Feb 2016
    4:16pm
    whow a few of the constant whingers hooked straight away. Ill sit back and wait see how many more I can catch. I notice the "poor me" clan are in force with this one.
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    5:27pm
    Tiger never have us hooked mate...... I am simply sitting back and laughing at you........
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:30pm
    i HOPE THEY TRIPLE EVERYTHING FOR YOU TIGER THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT FUNNY.
    AND WE NEED TO STICK UP FOR WHAT IS WRONG, AND NOT SIT BACK ON OUR HAUNCHES, AND DO NOTHING!
    IF YOU DON'T COMPLAIN THIS WILL BE NO GAIN.
    SO BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT.
    Watertoy
    10th Feb 2016
    12:10pm
    Medicare should be abolished all together. In 1981 i used to pay around $300 pa for all Health and Hospital Cover. Medicare emerged and then suddenly i am getting slugged $300 for Medicare and also $300 for Extra Health Cover. This process has never corrected itself. Doctors can still make a choice on who gets government subsidies if Medicare disappeared...just like it was in the good old days.

    If the government can hurry up and improve all internal inefficiencies by looking at the Medicare rorts by the Medical Profession and whomever, then these funds can be better utilised to reduce the Nation's debt, which was brought on by the former labor Government.

    Medicare in its current form seems to encourage people to be sick. What was its original purpose ? - to make people healthier or just another scheme to stimulate employment.....and highly expensive government (and private) employment is what we don't need in this country.
    notelle
    10th Feb 2016
    12:18pm
    "Medicare in its current form seems to encourage people to be sick." .................I've never read so much BS in my life !
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:03pm
    We could then have an American style health system. How happy we would all be. But make sure you reserve your place in the gutter Waterboy because that's where you'll be if you cannot pay.
    Swinging voter
    10th Feb 2016
    2:14pm
    Dear Watertoy, I hear your valid point repeated often by those old enough to remember the days when public hospitals/outpatient departments looked after those who could not afford health insurance, and health insurance looked after the rest. Before Medicare no-one went without medical care (as much as they like to say oh, free health care for everyone, we didn't have that before.) People were not dying in the streets - they simply went to the local public hospital. However, with the advent of new and costly life-prolonging medicines, MRI's, endoscope screenings, the truly wondrous new treatment list grows, costs have skyrocketed so governments of the day are naturally looking for savings in order to keep up.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    3:03pm
    It's a funny thing the "good old days" really weren't that good. In 1981 I was earning $37 per week. I could not afford health insurance.

    Your statement that Medicare encourages people to be sick is not bourne out by facts. The average person goes to the Dr about seven times a year.

    It is also a lot cheaper to treat and illness at the beginning stages than when it is more advanced.

    Re: inherited government debt, google the ABC Fact Check. Inherited government debt.

    Labor got Australia through the Global Financial Crisis in a lot better shape than the US and Europe.


    Swingingvoter,

    Re the "good old days" when public hospitals looked after those who couldn't afford private health insurance. Yes, people got looked after but they were a lot sicker before they went to the Dr and consequently, they were a lot sicker when they went to hospital.

    In regard to expensive tests. Thirty years ago my father was diagnosed with queried cancer and the Specialist ordered a MRI scan. The was only one machine in Sydney at the time. The cost of the scan, payable up front, was $7,000. My father was lucky enough to be able to pay it. He was diagnosed with cancer which was treated early.

    As for those new and costly medicines, are you suggesting that the PBS subsided medicines should be ceased? That creating a big surgical wound is better than very small wounds opened to insert endoscopes, is better?

    The "good old days" befor Medicare weren't so good. I know I was there.
    Tigers
    10th Feb 2016
    4:20pm
    Well said Watertoy. We had the best medical benefits system in the world until Whitlam and his cronies stuffed it.
    Swinging voter
    10th Feb 2016
    4:39pm
    My gasheater,
    I'm not suggesting any subsidised medicines be ceased. I'm merely pointing out that if we want to access them, we have to find ways to budget for them. If that equates to having private industry run the system more efficiently, then so be it. With provisos that satisfy the electorate, of course.
    Tigers: Whitlam and his cronies stuffed many things. They introduced HECS and successive governments were then able to hike up the price of a degree so that young people leaving uni are in debt up to their ears. LNP introduced nursing home fees so all the buggers who worked hard, paid off their houses etc. now pay through the nose for a few years misery in a nursing home while those who never did a day's work or saved get the same care for free. The age care system financially discriminates financially in favour of the families of elderly who drop dead suddenly.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    6:34pm
    SV,
    Whitlam abolished Uni fees. It was some years later that Kim Beasley introduced HECS. It was under Howard that fees were significantly increased. Dumbest move ever, by both parties. Our future is with educated young people.

    The Howard gov changed the nursing home entry fee structure to please a big Liberal Party donor, who was a major beneficiary of the bond system introduced into residential aged care.

    Even the NGOs that operate residential aged care facilities cry poor mouth but make a handsome profit which is used to fund their othe social programs. They pay their care workers poorly but pay the senior executives very well.

    One thread that runs through many posts is that there are two groups of people in our society. Those who work hard, invest wisely and are able to look after themselves in their old age.

    The other sort are lazy slops who wasted their wages, if they worked, they wasted their wages on booze, cigarettes and gambling, and made no attempt to prepare for the future.

    For this is assumption to be correct all things must be equal. People all have the same upbringing, the same schooling, same work opportunities, same wages/salary, same sense of thrift, same financial knowledge, everything starts from the same place.

    It isn't. Some people were behind the eight ball from the start. And yes, many people who had to work hard for all they accomplished and achieved came from disadvantaged circumstances.

    There are people who had every good thing life offers but end up with nothing because they were lazy, stupid and just plain wasters.Why ?

    Some people have clear gaols and a plan on how to achieve them. Others sort of have a bit of a short term view to get from A to B and plod along until they get there, then they move on to the next thing. Others have no idea about anything, let along plan for the future.

    Who is to blame? Blame the victim? Let them starve?

    There will always be some members of our society who will need a hand from time to time or even permanently. Paid employment is something some people will never experience during their lives. But is that to say they have no value or that they serve no purpose.

    Many economic theories state the there needs to be a number of people unemployed for a capitalist society to function. There is currently more people unemployed than there are job vacancies. Many of the job vacancies are for skilled people. Those with few skills have no chance. So, do we punish these people because of job market?

    I don't have the ready answers but I know all things are not equal.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:31pm
    YOU BEST GO SIT IN THE NAUGHTY CORNER WITH TIGER, CAUSE YOU NOT VERY HELPFUL HERE WATER!!!!


    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    Fobwatch
    11th Feb 2016
    8:53am
    The government deficit isn't caused by the name of a party, it's caused by declining revenue due to China's slowdown. It's got worse under the Abbott-Turnbull government because China's continued to decline. World stock markets have fallen, as the Bears are racing each other. Howard as treasurer ran up a record deficit, remember, so the Liberal party does not have the answers. Don't repeat slogans, check your facts.
    particolor
    11th Feb 2016
    9:03am
    " Its Time " :-) :-)

    10th Feb 2016
    12:24pm
    If it, or anything else, is funded by the government you can be assured that the services or products are second rate for it's users, have stingent economic, social, and/or racial strings attached, or is so cost-prohibitive due to political profit skimming that only the wealthy party supporters can afford them. Patronage of ANYTHING that the government sponsors must be approached as you would a minefield and not entered into until all the hidden dangers are revealed.
    Fobwatch
    11th Feb 2016
    9:03am
    That's at best a half-truth, Eddie. I've pointed out the bureaucracy of tertiary education as a major money waster, but the Liberal party either has its head in the sand or simply wants this to continue.
    Sick of em
    10th Feb 2016
    12:25pm
    Noooooo! they have done this with Telstra it is sooooo frustrating trying to speak to someone who may speak but doesn't understand/comprehend English :-( Furthermore like Telstra the money is generated in Australia therefore should employ Australians. This decision will guarantee that I DO NOT vote Liberal at the next election.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    3:18pm
    Yes, but aren't you happy to know that Telstra, that good Australian "corporate citizen" is helping reduce unemployment ................. in the PiHillipines?

    I tried to put in a complaint about my Telstra service. I was put through to three different people, each person a little higher up the tree but each person I tried to lodge the complaint with, refused to lodge it.

    "See our service is great, we don't have any complaints."
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:12pm
    lol@Mygasheater......lol indeed
    Fobwatch
    11th Feb 2016
    9:05am
    Isn't complaint handling what the Telecom ombudsman is for?
    particolor
    11th Feb 2016
    9:24am
    I've never gotten anywhere with those Telephone People ! :-( Mind You that's if I could even Fathom out what they were trying to Convey in ENGLISH ??? :-(
    But a very Sweary Complaint in the Telstra Complaint's (There are MILLIONS OF THEM IN THERE) :-) :-) got a Good Result ! :-) :-) It got me nowhere still :-( But a Good English Speaker Rang ! :-) :-)
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    11:09am
    YEs Fob, but many ppl aren't aware of that.
    I had a few problems with virgin, and Electric companies already, they tried to do a couple of shifties on me.
    I contacted the OMbudsman, and got it sorted.
    But many don't do this!
    step
    10th Feb 2016
    12:27pm
    NO NO NO, can you imagine if a person has a query re pension or other payment. The person that you may talk to will probably not speak English, or have a heavy accent that you would not be able to communicate with.

    We currently receive good service from Centrelink & Medicare....DO NOT CHANGE IT!!!!!
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    11:06am
    Tho it could be a tad better, and the Health problems that have been plagueing us for year and years.
    Like if i go into the hospital emergency, I"M made to wait for 6-7hrs, for service. and I got a crook back, who can sit for so long with a condition like that.......Sheezzzzzzzz, its all been going down hill for a long time, i think since they have started this privititizing thing. In many areas they have been doing it, Even in hospitals. and they tell us much what happens in there. Cause if we found out i'm sure there would be a bigger stink!!! and the public would be getting into them.
    The big knobs are working us over :(
    Play Fairly
    10th Feb 2016
    12:36pm
    Sidney, Grumpy, Mike.....you are all so right. We need to be offered some decent options when we go to the polls. Perhaps we should have a simultaneous referendum and ask the Australian people outright if they want Medicare & Aged Pensions privatised. I am sure most of us do not want our personal details, bank account details, medical details handed out to a private entity...maybe a foreign entity at that!, Our Aged population are already enduring long waiting times in the Centrelink system...then you would have them trying to understand some foreign version of English coming from o/seas.....Enough is enough.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:59pm
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7

    YEH enough is enough, Sign your name on this petition, and let them know we are NOT happy
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    4:33pm
    Play Fairly, you raise an interesting issue i.e. the location of your personal data. I have been following IT debates about data laws. Most Australians would not be aware that the US government can demand access to data stored on the servers of any company which is a subsidiary of a US company wherever it is located in the World except in the EU. In other words US law overrides the law of the country where the operating company resides.
    Fobwatch
    11th Feb 2016
    9:08am
    Well, we do want our bank details known by our bank, our medical details known by our doctor, etc. But we don't want some private big brother knowing all that. For that matter, we don't want a govt dept to know all about us: that's why we rejected Hawke's ID card proposal.

    10th Feb 2016
    12:42pm
    Hopeless! Look at the other entities that have moved overseas. Some speak English so badly they are almost impossible to understand. Look what happened when Centrelink moved their job vacancies to outside agencies, they are rorting the system left, right and centre! Not to mention politicians themselves who also know how to feather their own nests. Nothing has improved by being privatised!
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    2:00pm
    yes indeed trood.

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7

    To say NO with what they want to do to our system
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:05pm
    And they play back the question you asked as if you had never asked it. Amusing if it were not so sad.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    4:35pm
    Try listening to a high pitched Asian female voice speaking at a million words a minute with hearing aids installed!!!!!!
    particolor
    11th Feb 2016
    9:29am
    YEP ! I've had the odd Out Of Control DALEK on there at times ! :-) :-)
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    11:15am
    oh yes i had that happen to me a few times, and i told them that went they spoke better english to come back and talk to me. NExt time round I got a well spoken one come back at me.
    bartpcb
    10th Feb 2016
    12:49pm
    This is typical of Right wing governments ideology. They have been against universal health care since the Victorian period when they, the social elite, were the only ones able to 'afford' it. That they could 'afford it' was only because they were living high off the profits made from underpaying the 'peasants'. They didn't give a rats' arse then about the rest of us and they still don't. Hand over the health system to some corporate giant run from their friends in the US. Get rid of these people!!
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:07pm
    They are in the process of doing this with the ABC. Getting rid of Scott because he refuses to comply and putting in a woman who has worked for Goldman-Sachs (as did Turnbull) and who was a director of Google, which refuses to pay its gazetted taxes.
    It is what it is: a takeover by big business accommodated by perverse government with vested interests.
    Fobwatch
    11th Feb 2016
    9:22am
    Big business is running the world economy so well right now. Why not let them run everything else into the ground, while they're at it? :(
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    12:51pm
    OMG .........this........ PM Malcolm Turnbull has a lot to answer for and also Mr Mike Baird..........leave our Medicare System alone you will hurt the Retired Pensioners and the Battlers of the Australia Taxpayers........Not that it will worry you guys.....All you seem to want to do is sell off Icons of Australians ....to overseas companies........Now Medicare is on your hidden agender.........Cant wait until the next elections so the voters will decided its time to kick the Liberal party out of office before any more of our Health system.........Just a reminder that many years ago when our nurses learned on the Wards and learn hands value experience looking after their patients to the highest Standards.........and now take a good look at things of today........Nurses going to university was the biggest mistake..........No thanks to ex-politician Liberal Nick Grinier was the guy who changed a excellent system by sending nurses to university..........In today system unfortunately we have so many medical negligence case because the standard of nursing is not as good as it used to be......So now the Liberal trying to stuff up again to hurt more retired pensioners and the battlers .....we be left with no public cover what so ever..........BRING ON AN EARLIER ELECTIONS AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    2:01pm
    Tell them here Tia how you feel about this.

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:09pm
    You know what to do polling day. And if you don't then we all suffer.
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    2:12pm
    Hi Mick yes don't vote Liberal
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:15pm
    Polling day seems to be a bit of a joke. seems no matter who you vote for, they try to stuff up the life of the ones that can least afford it!!!
    and the saying, The rich get richer, and the poor getting poorer, is coming closer to realization!!!
    particolor
    11th Feb 2016
    9:38am
    Realization often comes After the Horses have Bolted ! :-( :-(
    Not a Bludger
    10th Feb 2016
    12:51pm
    What an excellent idea - the sooner the better.

    As a result, no tax increases needed - think of the massive savings in getting rid of all the pen-pushers in Canberra and around the States & Territories.
    Swinging voter
    10th Feb 2016
    2:30pm
    Couldn't agree more, with the proviso no foreign company can ever, ever be able to buy it. There is a terrible mess with Telstra that Lord Wentworth was bellowing how was going to fix it - ask any contractor you walk past in the street and he will say it's even worse since Malcolm with duplication, over-payments, rorting. There is also nothing worse than trying to talk to someone overseas about a local matter, and totally unacceptable when that person is not fluent in English. Yes, privatise our big service sectors, get rid of the waste, duplication and poor quality service - make them operate as businesses - but owned and staffed by Australians in Australia.
    sayonara
    10th Feb 2016
    1:05pm
    Mike why mention only the liberals? All politicians are the same Labour and Liberals. They only want to be politicians for their own good and not for any of us..being labour or liberal.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:12pm
    Whilst I agree I have to add that this government, and indeed all right wing governments, are owned by big business interests because THAT IS WHO FUNDS THEIR CAMPAIGNS. We actually have big business running the nation by remote control.

    All politicians are not the same. Some are far far worse than others. As much as I dislike Labor at least it poured money into the nation, not into the pockets and bank accounts of its mates.
    Cooky
    10th Feb 2016
    1:10pm
    Seeing that Everyone on here is AGAINST the Liberals, how about YOU ALL Vote LABOR then we may NOT have these Problems
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Feb 2016
    2:19pm
    Wrong assumption Cooky I am against Labor and especially the leader of the Labor Party, Bill Shorten ,who has proven to be a reckless and irresponsible person. If only the Liberal Party kicked out its right wing faction, Turnbull and his moderate supporters in the Caucus may stand a chance of making a difference but not by selling off Australian assets. That is the "piss-weak" way out of their financial dire straits. Selling off Australia assets is not innovative it's weak minded !
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    3:23pm
    Gee HS,

    The Labor Party is in Opposition. Bill Shorten hasn't had the opportunity to be "reckless and irresponsible".
    Tigers
    10th Feb 2016
    4:22pm
    Nah, we wont have these problems, the problems will be worse under another useless Labor govt. Boy some of you people have short memories.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    6:36pm
    Tigers,

    Better to have the looters and rooters in charge.
    Cooky
    10th Feb 2016
    1:12pm
    None of the Pollies are in Parliament to look after US or OZ, just Don't Vote
    Happy cyclist
    10th Feb 2016
    1:57pm
    Yeah, right Cooky. Not voting would really help--not. If you don't like the people who are representing you, its up to each and every one of us to do something constructive about it. Run for parliament yourself, join the party which least offends you and get pre-selected, or if you've left it too late for that then find some good candidates and do everything you can to help them be elected. Heavens knows I've spent large chunks of my life handing out 'how to votes' for various people, some turned out to be big disappointments but at least at the time I did what I thought was right. Not voting is such a dereliction of duty as a citizen.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    3:29pm
    Cooly,

    People died so you have the right to vote. Don't throw you right away by not voting or voting informal.

    When you are unhappy with a politician, email them. Just google Australian Parliament to find the email address of the politician you want to share your opinion with. Phoning their electoral office is good too as they keep a log of all calls.They love to hear from voters.

    It used to be said that one letter from a voter was the equivalent of 100 votes.
    Dolly
    10th Feb 2016
    1:18pm
    Do that & they will get ripped off as who takes it on will find ways to make an extra dollar.
    Ayin
    10th Feb 2016
    1:20pm
    Before we privatize Medicare maybe we should privatize Government? We could get prospectus from several groups who wish to run the country for the next four years and vote for them on their offers, with a safety valve that 10% of the population could ask them to step aside if not performing and the CEO's of the companies would face fraud charges for not following their prospectus. Look at how much that would save the Australian people?
    Mez
    10th Feb 2016
    1:26pm
    Interesting proposition!
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:14pm
    I would suggest that administrators were appointed answerable to a panel of citizens. Who needs the crooks we currently have!
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    3:32pm
    Ayln,

    The LNP government has been bought, sorry, privatised, by big business years ago.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:17pm
    Excellent Ayin, i'll second that.
    Yes like they put in ADministrators to Councils when the councillors are stuffing it up.
    So they should do with the Government System too
    Mez
    10th Feb 2016
    1:24pm
    I think that we should continue with Medicare because of the ever increasing low socioeconomic classes and homeless people which in today's ABC Fact Checks, homeless in Oz accounts for 25% of the population!
    Without Medicare they will be SERIOUSLY MORE DISADVANTAGED!
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:18pm
    INdeed MEz
    libsareliars
    10th Feb 2016
    1:27pm
    This is another bad idea from a bad government. I think they'd sell their own mothers if they could make a buck out of it. I definitely would not support it.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:15pm
    Do they have mothers? And if they do I thought they might have already privatised their jobs and flogged them off.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    3:34pm
    There's an old saying that goes, "They'd skin a turd for tuppence " that spells out their avarice.
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    4:38pm
    They've probably tried but couldn't get their price so shelved the sale and didn't tell anyone.
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    6:40pm
    Grumpy,

    Nah, they rolled it in glitter and called it Turnbull. It'll be on sale a little later in the year.
    SGW
    10th Feb 2016
    1:28pm
    Thats the purpose of right wing governments, run the services down, say they are not viable, and sell them them off to there rich mates, to pay staff a pittance and take the profit and pay no tax. Any middle class person who votes for a right wing government is a fool to themselves, and labour is not much better, we need a complete new system of government, maybe politicians should be picked at random from the electoral role, and be paid for the job and no perks like they all get now
    libsareliars
    10th Feb 2016
    1:38pm
    Well said.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:18pm
    SGW: Gillard poured hundreds of millions of dollars fixing run down schools and hospitals. What Liberal government ever put money into other than private schools...the ones with 2 swimming pools, computers for every child, etc?
    And of course Labor initiated the NBN...which Turnbull butchered so that it is now substandard and costs more.
    The two sides are not different. You need to stop reading the crap from the Murdoch rags and other right wing media outlets. These organisations lie and push their own.
    SGW
    10th Feb 2016
    3:18pm
    Mick, personally i think there should be no private schools, all kids should go to state schools like in Finland, All major infrastructure should be owned by the state and run to make a profit that is returned to the state.
    and again i say we need a new system, politicians get to many benefits, they should get the same as other workers, no special privileges, the public could always boycott these non tax paying multinationals, and bank with a credit union instead of banks
    Mygasheater
    10th Feb 2016
    3:38pm
    One of those terribly, terribly, poor private schools that us generous tax payers fund, employs a barista to make the student proper espresso at recess and lunch time.
    musicveg
    11th Feb 2016
    3:00pm
    What the! Why are kids drinking coffee anyhow, getting them addicted early.

    I agree with SGW let's boycott mulitnationals that don't pay taxes as well as those who destroy the environment. People purchase power.
    old-age worker
    10th Feb 2016
    1:29pm
    Hmmm...
    Here we go again...
    Gosh it would be nice to have Murdoch onside! What a scare campaign he could dream up!
    I work for private enterprise. The reason it's more "efficient" is that there is no care for the workers. Those that perform, great - you get ignored. Those that dont perform are out. No questions answered as to why.
    Privatisation IS more efficient if measured by the cost benefit - alone.
    But we are better than that.
    WHEN it gets privatised and shifted offshore, there will be jobs lost. That's your kids' and their friends' jobs.
    You wont be able to go to Medicare to "sort stuff out", it will be in China. OR, more likely, it will become so difficult to make a claim (with the usual language barrier), you wont bother - hence the cost benefit.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:20pm
    Murdoch has a history of supporting any side which gains him what he wants. Mostly the Murdoch Press is a propaganda outlet for Liberal governments and big business. That's why the Carbon Tax went. Murdoch's media outlets sold it as a 'bad tax' when it was nothing of the sort.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    1:31pm
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7

    Put your signature here if you oppose the medicare change. I have. thats SO wrong
    Grumpy
    10th Feb 2016
    4:40pm
    buby....ditto
    Whoray46
    10th Feb 2016
    1:45pm
    Any Assets the Australian Taxpayers fork out for, The Libs have just got to sell it to their mates! Don't worry about the OZ public, if it benefits the big end of town it's a big GO!
    Don't get old & have gold filling because they will be after them too! The idea is to built a Great Country, look after the people who will make it great, the workers, the country people, farmers, NOT the Banks. STOP SELLING OFF AUSTRALIA & it's PEOPLE!
    tia-maria
    10th Feb 2016
    2:26pm
    Whoray46............You hit the nail on the head......Liberal Party cant help selling us off.........bloody disgraceful our grandparents be turning over in their graves........Because when you look around ask ourselves how much have Aussie Icon have we got left??? all been sold to overseas market mostly China...........Dam Politicians............
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:34pm
    Those Politicans need to be tied to a stake and horse whipped.
    and perhaps throw a few tomatoes from overseas at them as well :):)
    HarrysOpinion
    10th Feb 2016
    1:58pm
    If the government can't administer and service Medicare then the government can't manage our nation. In that case "Get the hell out. You don't deserve to be in government".
    "Bugger off !" Being in government is not a business for the profit it's a social responsibility handed to the government through the trust and faith of all Australians for the benefit of all Australians. If the government keeps on betraying the people then the people will vote the government out. All personal tax payers in Australia have contributed billions of dollars in to Medicare. It's not the government's money it's the people's money, it's the people's insurance premium for their health sake. The government's financial mismanagement, political divisiveness and shoddy planning for the people's future is the cause for the government's incompetence and that too goes for the previous Labor governments ever more so who recklessly wasted public funds. I object to my Privacy being sold to an outsourced private entity on shore and God forbid to an offshore company. Their interest will be only to make a profit.
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:23pm
    This government is not interested in managing the nation. It's interest is in tax cuts for big business and the rich, supporting tax fraud by not closing down known outs and tax havens and selling off everything that is not bolted down....and then stating it has to increase taxes. They are bastards who should be jailed for treason.
    mac
    10th Feb 2016
    2:23pm
    It would make me think which party I would vote for come elections if these changes were made ..who would like your private information to go to a company overseas or even here in Australia ..I say leave Medicare as it is
    MICK
    10th Feb 2016
    2:25pm
    It's already much bigger than Medicare. Anybody who votes Liberal is either brain dead, a rusted on Liberal or a fool.
    People were all born with a brain. About time some used it.
    Pollyanna
    10th Feb 2016
    3:03pm
    This is all horseshit and the Labor government is probably proposing this and blaming it on the Feds. I also agree with Sidney 70
    Sundays
    10th Feb 2016
    4:22pm
    I managed a transaction centre in the private sector in the 90s after Howard privatised some government business units and many public servants were made redundant. We did a good job, but was it cheaper? Absolutely not! Security of data was also not anywhere near as good as when the work was done by the government. The processing clerks were paid less than their public servant equivalents, but too busy to meet targets instead of customer service. The managers, well we all got a lot more than we would have in the public service. I left when I couldn't get a decent training budget for staff, but the wine bill at my farewell cost more! That experience left me very jaded and it was nothing compared to Medicare. I am totally opposed.
    Gee Whiz
    10th Feb 2016
    4:51pm
    We haven't seen the worst of Malcolm Turnbull yet. Just wait until he gets reelected.

    If that happens all federally owned taxpayer assets will be sold off. The vast majority will go to offshore investors who will have first pick at the prizes. And the rest will go to the LNPs mates here in Australia.

    It's happened every time governments have sold off public assets. And the LNP at state and federal levels are the worst offenders.
    Bes
    10th Feb 2016
    5:37pm
    They simply will not be satisfied until everything is sold off!
    Missskinnylegs
    10th Feb 2016
    6:12pm
    First to private sector, then to overseas call centres and loss of security with our medical, personal and financial details. I can see our medical history being sold to insurance companies who then refuse us essential cover.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:25pm
    yes NO MORE privatization i say.
    Put your name to this document, and that will let them know WE the Undersigned are NOT happy and that it should NOT happen

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    Sparkles
    10th Feb 2016
    7:18pm
    If the Govt takes this up, I certainly will NOT be voting for them again. They' have had some stupid ideas but this one is madness. I had such hopes for this Govt but I'm very disappointed
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:23pm
    Sparkles then like me you need to put ya signature on here to disagree, as i'm sure many have.
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    Kato
    10th Feb 2016
    7:29pm
    Like smokin Joe cant think of anything new. Oh we will just borrow the English system.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:38pm
    MORe American, than English, even the english look after their ppl better than the ossies!!!

    Sign this petition, and it may get better

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/medicare/defend-medicare/defend-our-medicare?t=y7eXoC0Z7
    Paulodapotter
    10th Feb 2016
    7:43pm
    Yep, selling our Medicare to private enterprise is like selling your prize bull to the butcher for slaughter. Instant gratification and then no future. This government thinks we can all survive by eating each other. I can feel another 'Soylent Green' coming on.
    buby
    10th Feb 2016
    7:46pm
    yes very scary indeed especially for the youngsters that don't have jobs, Yes a very scary time indeed
    BDW
    10th Feb 2016
    8:39pm
    The current LIBS will be dead meat if they push this cart to the next election. Anything to do with privatisation of our health system will not be tolerated by Australians no matter how bad labour were at trying to run a budget!
    particolor
    10th Feb 2016
    9:49pm
    Man the Life Boats were SINKING !! :-( :-(
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    10:59am
    OH yeh Parti, the Party's nearly OVER ROVER :((
    douwe26
    10th Feb 2016
    10:28pm
    Not a chance medicare is aussie and stays aussie not to go to India as so many other companies do I will not speak on the phone to a overseas customer person
    Geo
    10th Feb 2016
    11:00pm
    Privatise Medicare and after a short time, Bye Bye Bulk billing,
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    10:52am
    IM SURE THATS
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    10:52am
    IM SURE THATS
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    10:54am
    OH sorry bout that folks, i'm sure thats what they might be aiming for Jedda, bit by bit they are doing it. Perhaps to see if we oldies, can work it out!!!
    musicveg
    11th Feb 2016
    12:25am
    Why does the government need more money? Because multinational companies don't pay their taxes and big business get handouts left right and center. Also because we keep swapping leaders who then get a life pension, after earning so much money how come they even need a pension? They keep saying we should plan for our retirement why don't they and then not get a pension?
    As for medicare it does not need selling off it just needs a little update. I have not used my card since 2013 and it expired, I was never sent a new one. So know I need one and I have to travel 40 minutes round trip to get a replacement card, why can't we do this online or by phone? The system is inefficient so all it needs is better management, how is that going to work if it all goes overseas, will I then be able to get a new card via online?
    particolor
    11th Feb 2016
    9:46am
    I've had a Medicare Card forever ! And Never Used It ! :-)
    They should have sent You a New One ! They keep sending mine.
    Good Luck :-)
    buby
    11th Feb 2016
    10:57am
    i believe you are right, i'm sure there are many ways they could do it music.
    I mean they have LIVE CHAT, when you go to some websites, and this should be done with Centerklink, and the Government departments. I'm sure then many expenses would be saved.
    But then you know those that are on the other line, still might not comprehend the english language???
    musicveg
    11th Feb 2016
    8:50pm
    Please take time to sign this petition(see below web address) if you want big business to pay their taxes, check out the list of businesses that are paying no tax I was completely floored to know who is on this list, we are all buying their products!!:

    https://www.change.org/p/malcolm-turnbull-make-big-businesses-like-ikea-qantas-google-freedom-and-countless-others-pay-their-taxes-and-back-taxes-to-australia-or-boycott-them?
    Circum
    11th Feb 2016
    4:46pm
    At the moment the government is like a heroin addict looking for money to buy drugs.The money is needed for short term relief but usually long term pain.Logic plays a small part in the decision process.Words like privatisation and outsourcing are emotionally loaded to feel like its the right way to go.The facts reveal that in many cases,privatisation results in higher cost to the consumer (energy bills being one example),lower customer service and lower government revenue (they sold the golden goose ).
    The government has control over medicare . a monopoly.Yes it needs to make constant improvement but it is not run for shareholders so any so called profits are returned to tax payers.Under those conditions if you cant manage the business and be financially better off than any other alternative then get a different manager in and give him or her free reign to improve things and tell the unions to get out of the way.
    Medicare serves the people well.It needs to remain in Australias control as a public icon.

    I have no objection to the government considering outsourcing the positions of government ministers and devise a system where remuneration is based on performance.
    Circum
    11th Feb 2016
    8:11pm
    The comment about Medicare not being up to date with tap and go technology and similar digital technology is a very poor reason and irrelevant to many people who dont use or want to use it.Its an over the top excuse possibly by technocrats wanting medicare to spend money on apps regardless whet er its cost justified or not.
    carmencita
    11th Feb 2016
    9:50pm
    Any privatisation is detrimental to the population in general and will see private companies getting greedy to more profit. Example of this is in the privatisation of utilities- wherein prices are multiplied several times in favour of energy retailers and the government have no control over it in practical terms.
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Feb 2016
    12:44am
    I want the Mp's Positions privatised....by that I mean they should be opened up to privatisation so others can get a crack at them!
    Why should just the Political Parties be able to buy an MP...why not Mc Donald's...or even the Banks!!!!
    Seriously ......does this Lib Government have no shame at all????
    Every Election Promise it made to get in it has broken...attacking Pensioners....cuts to Health & Education....all while singing how we need to be smarter....what the??????
    Privatising Medicare...even out sourcing.....is a no go zone!!!!!
    Time for everyone to stop voting for these Party Puppets.....take the How to Vote Donkey Cards at the Voting Booth and Completely reverse all the numbers so that they are LAST!!!
    Be nice to witness 50% of all Party Puppets permanently retired forever!!!!
    particolor
    15th Feb 2016
    8:37pm
    But they will still get Delicious Pensions for LIFE + Goody's !! :-( :-( :-(
    greywolf
    1st Mar 2016
    12:34am
    It will be an absolute disaster. Look at Medibank Private Soaring premiums cuts in their services they do whatever they like and this weak government never once stepped in and force to justify their increases. As Sen.Cit. 84 I to WAS a staunch supporter, and MT thinks is running a private enterprise oblivious of the pain and worry he is causing to us Seniors or probably doesn't care


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