7th May 2019
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At least one political party would consider a universal age pension
Author: Janelle Ward
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More than seven in 10 older Australians say the Federal Government is not doing enough to support retirees, according to YourLifeChoices research.

Those Australians will have their voices heard at the federal election on 18 May.

There are approximately 300,000 more voters aged 70 and over enrolled to vote than there were for the 2016 election – a 13 per cent increase. In the same time, enrolments for voters aged 18 to 34 grew by about three per cent.

In the 2019 Insights Survey, which received almost 8000 responses, you said you wanted: an increase in the Age Pension, to be able to earn more without losing Age Pension entitlements and better access to Centrelink.

Further polling revealed your top five concerns to be:

  • increasing the base rate of the Age Pension; considering a universal age pension
  • addressing climate change
  • gaining better access to medicines and diagnostics, universal dental care, improved private health insurance subsidies
  • developing incentives to work past the age pension age without being financially penalised in terms of pension entitlements
  • gaining easier access to Centrelink resources and quicker responses.

 

On your behalf, we presented them to the three major parties – the Greens, Liberals and Labor – for comment. Today, we present the Greens’ responses.

1. Increase the base rate of the Age Pension; consider a universal age pension
The Greens are committed to addressing the structural barriers that older Australians on low incomes are facing, including better access to safe and affordable housing and increasing the rate of income support payments, such as Newstart, to assist older Australians before they reach age pension age.

We would establish an Independent Equality Commission, which would be responsible for setting the rates of income support payments and would consider the establishment of a universal age pension.

2. Address climate change
Climate change threatens our way of life and the lives of our children and grandchildren and that is why we need to transition our economy to clean energy. By transitioning to 100 per cent renewable energy, re-regulating electricity prices and establishing a pubic energy retailer, we can lower energy bills and ensure a safer future for all.

The Greens would also increase the Energy Supplement by 30 per cent. By shifting to clean energy, Australia can future proof our economy and create a new clean export economy exporting clean energy to the world.

3. Healthcare: better access to medicines and diagnostics, universal dental care, improved private health insurance subsidies
The Greens would create a truly universal health system designed to keep people well, which provides the care you need when you need it, regardless of your illness, postcode or bank balance.

We would also address the acute problem of public hospital waiting lists through an additional injection of funding. Our plan includes: universal dental care, increased investment in Medicare and the redirection of the private health insurance rebate into public healthcare.

4. More incentive to work past the age pension age without being financially penalised in terms of pension entitlements
The Greens believe older Australians should be able to continue working past the age pension age without being unfairly penalised financially. We support improving the employment outcomes for older Australians through flexible work arrangements, skills development and protection against age discrimination.

Easier access to Centrelink resources and quicker responses
The Greens consistently advocate on behalf of all Australians to make Centrelink more accessible, effective and efficient. We are committed to ensuring older Australians are able to access Centrelink resources and will continue to hold the Government to account regarding Centrelink wait times and application processing times.

Do you believe the Greens can put sufficient pressure on the Government to achieve their policy agendas?

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    ardnher
    6th May 2019
    3:28pm
    The Greens can promise anything..they will never be in position to grant it!
    MICK
    7th May 2019
    10:03am
    The Greens are known to be an adversary of older Australians because they believe we owe them and our assets should be totally consumed before the old age pension is able to be accessed.
    Not sure where this story came from but The Greens are certainly not offering those eaking out a living from a few assets anything. Its not in their genY DNA.
    TREBOR
    7th May 2019
    10:26am
    Yes - I forgot that one from the Groans, Mick.... can't keep on top of everything...

    Stupidest policy I ever heard, same as forcing unemployed to wind down all assets before receiving sustenance.. stupid that... all it means is they have nothing more than sustenance, thus making it harder to even get work, then it also means they have less for their future retirement, since they will have to rebuild their assets - sometimes again and again.

    The only requirement for pension should be that you are retired and eligible (eligibility may change under a universal pension), and for unemployment benefits that you are unemployed.

    Where is the value of taking anyone down to zero all the time? How does that help offset the miniscule payment they may receive? Does it boost the economy and provide jobs etc? Not on your Nelly... it sucks them dry and puts them behind the eight ball again, meaning they might as well be drug dealers etc, thus costing the community more than the payments ..... why bother to work under those demands?

    Typical short-sighted, penny-pinching stupidity from governments and their overpaid lackeys.
    Arvo
    7th May 2019
    1:28pm
    We will consider.....sure you will....everyone has....How about a promise we will Legislate it!!!....Nope... I didn't think so!
    Paddington
    8th May 2019
    10:20am
    The Greens are more of a mix than one dimensional Mick. Do you know any personally and what they stand for? I do. They own property and gather assets.
    What they are mainly trying to achieve is get a focus on the environment.
    What pensioners are allowed to have is too high in my opinion. People spending down to a more reasonable figure is not a bad idea actually.
    More could be done then for the ones who have nothing not even a home or the unemployed 60 year olds.
    People who vote for the Greens are mostly enticed to do so because they are worried about the future world for their descendants.
    I think they are a better choice than the far right or even the right in the LNP.
    Oldman Roo
    9th May 2019
    2:27pm
    I can not agree with your comment that what Pensioners are allowed is too high. The wife and I live in our family home , which is not a cheap home with high rates and taxes and upkeep , but we are not moving to accommodate people who were often big spenders all their life , while we were making sacrifices, and see these people rewarded by generous Centrelink payments .If we spend down any of our money we would be forced to sell our home and go through the upheaval of moving at an advanced age .
    Paddington
    12th May 2019
    11:01am
    That doesn’t make sense Oldman Roo. Why would you have to sell your home? Nobody is saying that. Some people live on the edge by buying a new car and caravan to keep the money within the limits or renovations. That is who I am referring to. Some have the pension and spend some of their other money at the same time. They say they cannot live on the pension because they have two cars and expensive hobbies. We manage on the couple pension without a buffer but we are restricted with our spending and have to be careful. Maybe just reduce the extra money people can have which seems a lot to us. And take away the ability to keep spending down to that.
    Oldman Roo
    12th May 2019
    8:05pm
    How can you say we do not have to sell your home when we need , and spend , every cent of income and part pension . We take no holidays , rarely have a cheap meal out and can not afford any kind of expensive lifestyle . Also being of advanced age we both require expensive medicin and treatment , apart from having private Insurance . Our Power Bills are frightening and so it goes on .
    So no miracle cure or Liberal Philosphy of taking from the poor and give to the rich will change anything .
    Captain
    6th May 2019
    4:28pm
    All politicans can promise anything and rarely follow it through.
    bob menzies
    7th May 2019
    9:58am
    very few (less than 10%) care anything about what the greens - they will never ever be in government and they are a blight upon Australian politics.
    Knows-a-lot
    7th May 2019
    11:39am
    At least they'll help to keep the verminous LNP out of office.
    GeorgeM
    7th May 2019
    4:17pm
    While I appreciate your objective, K-A-L, if you care about your children and grandchildren, find somebody else.
    Paddington
    8th May 2019
    10:22am
    It is different this time. They will get more in because they can force the government to do more about the money environment.
    Misty
    9th May 2019
    10:39am
    Yes K-a-l, vote Labor.
    TREBOR
    7th May 2019
    10:19am
    Pity the Groans have such silly extra policies as lowering the voting age to 16.. (Jesus God - just what we need!).

    As for a Universal Pension, it would seriously depend no how it is set up in relation to all other strands of income. If it is on a Pension then tax on income above - imagine your politician of a hefty $300k 'superannuation' a year copping $22k extra and then copping a 47% tax on the rest... he/she would DIE first!!

    So this is really a no go - an ambent claim and a vote chaser, and even the Groans will not vote for it if they hold power.

    Increase base rate of pension? Well - yes - controlling skyrocketing REAL costs of living is more important in all ways economically.

    Australia would benefit from being a front runner in alternatives etc... we have the sun, we have the wind, we have the hot air from Cambra, we have the meand, we have the technology .... we can rebuild him stronger, faster, more durable .... we bring you The 600 Billion Dollar Economy .... (starring the wind-blown Steve Reeves)...

    Access to health care is a given....

    Incentive to work longer - yes - take away the dual punishment of income taxes plus chop out of pension and the pensioner would have a better run... in a situation of diminishing returns for greater input and effort, there is no incentive.

    Also the level of Carer Payment needs to be looked at... doesn't cover the costs in anyway.
    TREBOR
    7th May 2019
    10:20am
    OOPS! Forgot one ... hit wrong button...

    Easier access to Colonel C'Link is a given..... nobody wants to spend two hours on a mobile phone waiting for a response... or have to travel up to two hours to get to an office for a two minute question and answer.... what does Backward Cambra think telephones were invented for? To play video games on?
    Polly Esther
    7th May 2019
    10:36am
    They adopted the title of the "greens", I understand, because they are 'green about the gills' the poor sweet little things. Well, I thought it was funny, not hilarious, but hey who's counting? or even laughing :-)
    Paddington
    12th May 2019
    11:03am
    Rubbish! Greens is in reference to the environment, always has been!
    Cautious
    7th May 2019
    10:43am
    Mmmm..I would rather pull my toe nails off with pliers than vote Greens.
    Because I know the pain afterwards would be less and the expectation of what I get more in line with what I actually receive.
    Alan
    7th May 2019
    10:55am
    Pigs will fly before the Greens manifesto has any hope of implementation. They have no realistic idea how they can pay for Utopia.
    Cowboy Jim
    7th May 2019
    1:50pm
    They said the same about the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers Party) and check how that came out. Be on Guard, Alan.
    inextratime
    7th May 2019
    10:57am
    Not a very useful article. The greens have reached the pinnacle of their following and there is only one way they can go from where they are now and its not up.
    So back to square one.
    inextratime
    7th May 2019
    10:57am
    Not a very useful article. The greens have reached the pinnacle of their following and there is only one way they can go from where they are now and its not up.
    So back to square one.
    johnp
    7th May 2019
    11:13am
    For what its worth I am throwing this in
    https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/policies-for-a-better-australia-clive-palmer/?fbclid=IwAR3D781oA0hXDM-pMC7ZozjYnfEkijAmr1KSxW0oy41qi4HbMCmwkJTCeQc
    “Currently Australian pensioners are paid less than what asylum seekers are paid a fortnight. This is a disgrace and by increasing the aged pension by 20 per cent the Palmer United Party will provide pensioners with an additional $150 a fortnight.”
    GeorgeM
    7th May 2019
    4:19pm
    Thanks, john, I did hear of that comment more recently in one of their advertisements. I would trust his interest in Australians and retirees far more than the globalist agenda driven Greens.
    52-KID
    7th May 2019
    5:30pm
    I'm not so sure about that. I have a friend who works with lots of different people in need and she told me that these people are paid only about 2/3 of the Newstart rate, and get no health care card. I'm not sure about the 2/3 figure, my memory fails me sometimes, but it was definitely less, and Newstart is a ridiculously low figure already, so I can't figure how they would be getting more than pensioners.
    52-KID
    7th May 2019
    5:43pm
    Back again. AND that article does not relate to this election, at the end of the article he refers to the election on September 7, and in the next post he is talking about neither Abbott or Rudd having any ideas. So realistically it has nothing to do with this election at all.
    johnp
    9th May 2019
    4:11pm
    Thanks for that 52-Kid, good checking. I didnt look thru far enough obviously. Wonder if that is still the UAP policy though cos have seen that a few times recently.
    thommo
    7th May 2019
    11:15am
    You wouldn't trust the Greens to help pensioners.. They're the ones who conspired with the LNP (Abbott and Morrison et al) to change the assets test in the 2015 budget after abbot promised at the 2013 election that he would do no such thing..
    You can't trust either the LNP or the Greens.. But age pensioners won't ever forgive or forget what these mongrels did to their retirement, which in most, if not all cases, stuff it up for the duration.'
    These pensioners will have their bats in each hand on election day.
    It is time for a universal age pension...Aust is a rich country and can easily afford. Just get the big end of town to pay it's fair share of taxes, and bring in socially democratic policies bases on equitable fairness..
    We actually need a pensioner's political party..That would put the skids up the current establishment...
    johnp
    7th May 2019
    11:32am
    Agree with you thommo. Universal age pension gets rid of all the bureaucratic asset test complications and nonsense. Is simple to administer and govt still gets taxation from it at the medium to high end.
    GeorgeM
    7th May 2019
    4:04pm
    Absolutely correct, thommo. Universal Age Pension is absolutely the way to go now, with the Age Pension system completely broken.
    We do desperately need a sensible party to harness the wealth of this country properly and prioritise it's use for it's people, as well as represent the forgotten Retirees.
    This article contains a whole lot of meaningless, shifty comments such as "..would consider.." which mean nothing. If ever they get any power, the floodgates will be opened for global citizens (refugees) and they wouldn't be able to afford any promises at all.
    Mad as Hell
    7th May 2019
    4:13pm
    Ditto thommo you stole my rant.
    Farside
    8th May 2019
    12:38am
    "But age pensioners won't ever forgive or forget what these mongrels did to their retirement," says Thommo.

    of course they will just as they always have. Ideology, sentimentality and aspiration are strong with retirees (especially the self funded kind). They know that Howard looked after them to the detriment of the rest of the economy back in the day. Do you care for a quiet little wager on 2 party preferred proportion of retirees who vote LNP? My guess is the vote will be much like previous occasions with about 50% more retirees voting LNP than ALP.
    SFR
    7th May 2019
    11:44am
    The Greens are committed to addressing the structural barriers that older Australians on low incomes are facing. Lol what a joke, the same party that took away the pension for hundreds of thousands of retirees when they voted with the LNP to reduce the pension from $1.50 to $3 per $1k in assets.
    Cowboy Jim
    7th May 2019
    1:52pm
    Good point SFR!
    Charlie
    7th May 2019
    12:29pm
    Lets just stop at the first couple of paragraphs.

    It says Approximately 300,000 voters aged 70 and older enrolled to vote, than there were for the 2016 election? (A 13 % increase of that group, what ever the total was)?

    This is not America, this is Australia where voting is compulsory and you can get fined if you don't vote. What were these people doing for the other 50 or so years. Why would such numbers even exist.

    In the same time enrollments for voters aged 18-34 ( no numbers for this one) grew by about (3 percent of that particular group what ever the total number of people was?)

    Sorry but I simply don't believe you. The results and not believable and not comparable.
    KSS
    7th May 2019
    1:25pm
    Its all that family reunion migration Charlie; people bringing their ageing parents to Australia! Plus a few who turned 70 in the last three years who weren't eligible to be counted in the over 70s then!
    old frt
    7th May 2019
    12:32pm
    The greens are going to export clean energy to world , more of their bulldust, sounds like SA and Tassie all over again. Another huge extension cord to supply "clean" energy .
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:35pm
    Clean energy is the future and Australia is lagging behind. It is going to happen without politics.
    mogo51
    7th May 2019
    12:49pm
    I think the Greens are a disgrace.
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:35pm
    Why? They have been making a lot of positive impacts for changes.
    Hairy
    7th May 2019
    1:04pm
    Too true Mick.promises that’s all they do all of them.expect nothing because that’s what you get.club you down to the floor then expect you to get up and vote for them.cold day in hell for me not voting for any of the brains dead Bastards.Common sense is sadly lacking in all the major party’s.
    KSS
    7th May 2019
    1:18pm
    Notice the correlation between their policy of 100% renewable energy by 2030 and their promise to increase the energy supplement by 30%?

    That gives you a good indication of what renewable electricity will cost!
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:36pm
    No it does not, renewable energy is and has been proven to be cheaper than old coal.
    KSS
    7th May 2019
    1:22pm
    I find it hilarious that just yesterday my critical comments of Green policy were judged on this site to far right trolling!

    And today most comments here are just as critical. What a difference a day makes! Or is it "a day is a long time in politics"?
    GeorgeM
    7th May 2019
    4:21pm
    Maybe we should hear from the Greens more! Like hell, we do!
    cupoftea
    7th May 2019
    1:55pm
    I rang up the Greens up( I am not a green) and thanked them for saving my industry super because with out there 9 votes the LNP could not take it and give our money to there mates I say give credit where its due
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:37pm
    Good on you, and they have done a lot of positive things too, but many here do not want to give them any credit.
    cupoftea
    7th May 2019
    1:55pm
    I rang up the Greens up( I am not a green) and thanked them for saving my industry super because with out there 9 votes the LNP could not take it and give our money to there mates I say give credit where its due
    Observer
    7th May 2019
    1:58pm
    This is a blatant attempt to provide the Greens with free advertising, and eliminate any pretence at being an unbiased source. The watermelon party (green outside, red inside) promises the most insane collection of policies ever proposed since the communist party was banned. Ban all coal mining (oops, there goes the Australian economy - immediate depression) eliminate any treaties with USA, oops there goes any chance of survival should we be involved in a major security threat, etc etc. Yourlifechoices hang your head in sham at this bias and deceit in presenting only the greens when you say "at least one party...."
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:38pm
    So what will happen when the rest of the world has gone renewable and Australia will be stuck with a mountain of coal? Australia is lagging behind when it comes to renewables.
    floss
    7th May 2019
    2:20pm
    Lest we forget thommo.
    Kealley McGregor
    7th May 2019
    2:21pm
    Centrelink can get it better

    I have been back from living in Denmark for around 2 years now and was there for around 5 years as a resident.
    They have a population of around 5.5 million many of whom are young or aged, so for those in the work force
    the taxes are quite high by our standards however the benefits to all are huge. Great conditions for the aged,
    free medical for all, subsidised dental, free schooling and the list just goes on. How do they do it? What are the basics?

    1) The aged pension or disability pension is a set ‘livable’ amount, Everyone gets it when due by age or infirm, no deductions for income or assets etc.
    They consider this a minimum and it is not reduced in any form. The wealthy can refuse to receive it as their choice, to go back in the coffers.
    It is seen as a minimum so those who have not worked can exist and those who have worked and paid taxes, invested, have super or other income
    are not penalised for doing the right thing. The difference is that your total annual income is taxable once over the allowable non taxable base rate.(Wouldn’t that save a lot of Centrelink Accounting staff!)

    I know of friends who have much younger spouses and therefore do NOT receive their pension when due. We are all individuals who should be treated with this respect.
    One friend must continue to work until he reaches the age of 87! Why because his younger wife’s pension age is so high. Ridiculous!

    Why was mine reduced because of a “Deemed” income, from a debt which I will never get back from losses concerning an ex-partner! And over 4%!! (See Centrelink Deeming)
    While others who have not made an effort in their lives enjoy the benefits of a full rate and extras plus?
    The aged in Australia live in poverty in a valuable home because if they sell up to free up capital they then have a reduced pension because they have too much money in the bank. So it could be said, what’s the problem?
    They have money. It is often not the money that is the issue, but the loss of the pension card with health issues scaring the aged into panic at the thought of its loss. (Travel & Medical Bills)

    2) I cannot afford to travel, so rather than many paying to visit Australia costing 10’s of thousands of dollars, I was shouted and a trip to visit and catch up with good friends and those so close I consider them family back in Denmark.
    It used to be 3 months. Imagine my horror when I am told I cannot leave the country for more than 28 days without my disability pension being stopped.
    (6 Weeks for Aged Pensioners) It is hardly worth the cost to travel such a distance for so short a time, especially when I must have stop-overs
    as I am unable to sit up in a plane for the duration of flights to Europe thus shortening my time yet again!
    I understand that before these latest changes, it was calculated that a person’s working life in AUSTRALIA was considered. This I could understand..
    i.e. a European who has come to Aust. and worked for 10 years, reaches retirement age, collects the Aust. Pension,
    then returns or has extended visits to a country with a low cost of living, resides free of charge with family, would be “quite well off” therefore reduced time allowed..

    However,
    I tried to look up the legislation that would allow them to take this unfair and megalomaniac stance and wonder if in fact it would be legal under legislation for human rights!!

    Can anyone tell me if there is a group that represents the aged with some political influence? I know one exists but have googled myself out trying to find them.
    There are too many issues I would like to comment on, so hope I can get some feedback on the above, and just let me know if this is interesting enough to comment on or take further..
    Kealley McGregor
    7th May 2019
    8:28pm
    A prisoner in my own country..
    Old Man
    7th May 2019
    2:41pm
    Really? The Greens? These are the people who want to have 100% renewables, kill off our sheep and cattle industry, close all mining, close power stations, stop oil and gas exploration and have us all driving electric cars. To pay for all of this they want to increase taxes. The loopiest policy is that they will create jobs to export clean energy but I don't know how they can do that with renewable energy unless they have a bloody big extension lead. Sorry, I refuse to stoop so low as to listening to Green's ideas.
    Paddington
    7th May 2019
    8:49pm
    Actually you need to research further. I think they have a date of 2030 and not even 100% by then.
    Electric cars are already in production.
    Phasing out of coal mining is actually necessary.
    No facts from you OM yet.
    Old Man
    7th May 2019
    9:02pm
    Give me a break Paddington, before you decry a post, please check your facts. Here is the link to the Greens policies from which I drew my comments.

    https://greens.org.au/sites/default/files/2019-05/A%20Future%20For%20All%20Of%20Us%20-%20Australian%20Greens%20Full%20Policy%20Plaform%20%28May%202019%29.pdf
    Farside
    8th May 2019
    1:10am
    Old Man, I think you need to read that document again but this time with glasses on. Your hyperbole has got ahead of what they actually say.

    For example "kill off our sheep and cattle industry" is stop the live export of sheep and cattle on animal welfare grounds. This does not prevent chilled and boxed export of meat similar to what NZ has been doing since stopping live exports in 2007. Indeed this may lead to expansion of the industry as world demand for animal protein increases.

    Another example, "close all mining" is transition from oil, coal and gas mining to renewables by 2030; an ambitious target (and would not apply to metallurgical coal used in steel making). It says nothing about mining other minerals except implement the recommendations of the Henry Tax Review by introducing a 40% super-profits tax on very profitable mining ventures to ensure more wealth is shared with the community. Is this a bad thing?

    Final example "have us all driving electric cars", well no they talks about fast tracking the transition from ICE to EV by imposing a set percentage of EV sales by manufacturers, and reducing cost of electric vehicles so more people can buy them sooner. The world is already going this way; did you see the Shanghai Motor Show last month perchance?

    Adding to the FUD does not help the conversation and obscuring facts with BS is just unnecessary. BTW, I am not a green voter but I checked the document you referenced.
    Cassius
    7th May 2019
    4:20pm
    Greens not going to get any significant representation so there policies are meaningless
    Paddington
    7th May 2019
    8:50pm
    I think they will this time as many people especially young ones are worried about the environment.
    Farside
    8th May 2019
    1:14am
    No doubt the Greens will likely see more vote with the increased enrolment of young voters, but it remains to be seen whether this amounts to a significant increase in representation in either house. Will they get enough votes to run second in Liberal seats or achieve extra quotas in the senate?
    Observer
    8th May 2019
    9:16am
    The Watermelon party - green outside, red inside - is the nearest approach to insanity we have in policy positioning in Australia. They must hate Australia because the policies are calculated to destroy us. Talk about the loony left!
    Paddington
    7th May 2019
    4:29pm
    Ah what a difference a day makes! A party comes out and says it is in favour of a pension for all and what happens on here, no applause, or thank you, Greens!
    Next point: the environment, the Greens will help drive this in the right direction. Yes, we need to be serious about global warming especially after the scientific results that came out today. For some old fossils on here, we will have electric cars because it has already begun.
    Universal dental care: people on here have been screaming for this so where is the kudos for the Greens?
    Newstart: many on here have advocated for this to be raised. Some people needing this are in their sixties. So, thank you, Greens?
    With the environment a huge issue for young people we may actually see an improvement in their vote this time.
    People vote for them who do not agree with every one of their policies but they feel strongly about the environment and equality.
    They are an improvement on Pauline Hanson, Palmer and the racist and far right party.
    Greens are liked in some states moreso than others, e.g. ACT is one.
    They have a heart as well. Their policies are mostly driven by compassion.
    At least put them ahead of the likes of LNP and the list already mentioned.
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:24pm
    Well said Paddington, too many people are just putting Greens down for no sensible reasoning.
    Mad as Hell
    7th May 2019
    9:10pm
    The Greens care about the environment?
    The first Green elected to the House of Representatives was entitled to a Comm Car.
    Did he choose an environmentally friendly Prius?
    No.
    He chose a gas guzzling Commodore. Then a gas guzzling Falcon.
    Ipso facto.
    Another snout in the trough.
    robmur
    7th May 2019
    4:34pm
    I'm all in favour of a Universal Aged Pension (UAP). New Zealand has a very successful UAP system. Google New Zealand UAP for an explanation on how it operates. Takes the wind out of Centrelink as so many staff are not necessary, long waits on the telephone to answer the simplest of question are done away with. Have a look, as this is the way to go. Apart from the whacky Greens would either Labor or the Coalition be game enough to implement UAP and save billions on welfare?
    Observer
    7th May 2019
    4:43pm
    Sorry robmur, NZ has the same array of pensions as Australia: Old Age Pension, Disability Pension, Survivors Pension (Widows etc), with the same restrictions of applicability (age, marital status, employment etc).
    And the amounts are about 75% of Australia's.

    NZ has nothing to teach us there, and has lower social welfare generally.
    johnp
    8th May 2019
    6:22am
    Acually; Observer that is not what Robmur said. He was not talking about the various other pensions he was talking about the Universal Aged Pension (UAP).
    Observer
    8th May 2019
    9:03am
    You might need to learn to read johnp...

    Robmur said..."New Zealand has a very successful UAP system. Google New Zealand UAP for an explanation on how it operates."

    And I said "Sorry,...NZ has the same array of pensions...."

    NZ does NOT have a Universal Age Pension.
    johnp
    9th May 2019
    4:20pm
    Looked it up and it said "There is no income or asset test (except for a married pensioner with an unqualified spouse).". https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/progdesc/ssptw/2010-2011/asia/newzealand.html
    vinradio
    7th May 2019
    5:26pm
    I won't be voting for the Greens, they are a bunch of nutters. Unfortunately, much as I loathe Scomo and his mob, they are supposed to be increasing the work bonus, and applying it to the self-employed, which will be useful to me.
    Paddington
    7th May 2019
    8:38pm
    Yes that is what you do. Which party will benefit me personally.
    Instead, we need to say, what are the policies that will help the most people including my children and grandchildren and their descendants.
    Chuck
    7th May 2019
    7:14pm
    I'll vote for any party that legislates for a Universal Pension Scheme.
    If you support the idea of a Universal Pension Scheme, then I once again encourage you to go the website ABC Votecompass and make your feelings known.
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:26pm
    Yes it is good advice to do the Votecompass really shows you what you believe in and what party is aligned with your beliefs. It sure surprised me when I did it.
    Paddington
    7th May 2019
    8:39pm
    musicveg, it has surprised a lot of people. Left indicates compassions I noticed whereas the right was the opposite.
    Farside
    8th May 2019
    1:18am
    My Votecompass result positioned me exactly where I thought I was and that was nowhere near any of the parties shown ... go figure.
    johnp
    11th May 2019
    3:21am
    Agree Chuck; esp. re Universal Aged Pension and all the simplifications and less bureaucracy that would bring.
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:32pm
    Too many people here are putting Green's down but without them there would not have been many positive changes made, they rarely get the credit they deserve. They are not nutty, they do not all smoke dope, and no they do not want to kill off the sheep and cattle industry.
    How many people commenting here have actually read their policies properly?
    KSS
    7th May 2019
    7:38pm
    I have and they are ridiculous!
    musicveg
    7th May 2019
    7:47pm
    Why is that KSS?
    Paddington
    7th May 2019
    8:42pm
    KSS, but what are your main priorities?
    I asked one of our sons if he agreed with everything about the Greens and he said no but some important ones he did, like the environment.
    Franky
    7th May 2019
    11:10pm
    With our two party preferential voting the system is rigged. The Greens have no chance of ever getting into government
    Farside
    8th May 2019
    1:27am
    No Franky it is not rigged but nor is it easy. It is a matter of a concerted effort if people want change, which is easily done by getting behind strong independents that represent your views and preferencing greens ahead of the majors. You may remember there was a time when the Libs and ALP would expect to get well over 40% of first preference votes however this has declined steadily while the green vote is heading towards 20%.
    Boomah52
    8th May 2019
    12:00am
    Perhaps a drive through peak hour traffic in say London, Bangkok or Jakarta might just show you the futility of addressing the effects of human... the annoying changes to traditional architecture... how often do you see in parts of Asia old style vented buildings with plastic sheeting over the vents and a split system stuck on the side lol. Perhaps if the ladies in Australia gave up the big 4 wheel drive and took the family to school.on a scooter...
    Rae
    8th May 2019
    8:02am
    Sorry but the Greens enabled the LNP to change the asset and income tests and also hit up tens of thousands of ordinary public servants with few assets by deeming the income stream unfairly.
    This broke the no disadvantage rule and the Greens have denied doing that since.

    I used to vote for them but I'm afraid even Bob Brown thought what they had done enough to walk away.
    Misty
    9th May 2019
    12:02pm
    They were not to bad when therir main agenda was invesdting in the environment but now they are branching out in sometimes wacky ways which will lose them a lot of support.
    musicveg
    9th May 2019
    1:35pm
    What wacky ways?
    Misty
    10th May 2019
    7:22pm
    Bringing back Death Duty Tax for a start.
    musicveg
    10th May 2019
    8:13pm
    Well that is a lie they abandoned that idea:

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/greens-abandon-death-tax-policy/10946236

    Anymore?
    Romea
    9th May 2019
    8:32pm
    What surprises me is that over 300,000 people 70 or older have enrolled to vote since 2016. So why is the Government and Opposition, Independents etc bringing in more people of Pension Age when they are clearly anti older citizens.
    If they keep saying they can't afford Age Pensions into the future why being old people here who are looking at being supported by welfare. Um pretty stupid to bring in those to be a drain on our welfare. Yet skilled migrants seem to find it difficult to come in. Is that part and parcel of the stupidity of the UN that Australian Govt seems to support financially, yet citizens would be happy to leave it.
    Observer
    9th May 2019
    9:47pm
    This is the legacy of our foolish immigration laws, which allow eg students to come on a student visa, move to a temporary visa when they graduate, and after 2 years obtain permanent residency. They then send for their parents. grandparents and cousin brothers on "family reunion". And we have the welfare paradise that allows half the family to live on pensions, free medical and so on, all paid for by our beneficent taxpayer. What extraordinary blindness is our immigration system. As a fourth generation Australian, I am appalled at this abuse of a system designed to be humanitarian yes, but not to clog our cities and burden our systems with non-productive leeches who can't believe their luck. We bring in the most immigrants per capita of any country in the world, and the system allows many of them to avoid any skill or educational requirement and allows massive dependent aged and infirm to come at our great cost. Wake up Australia.
    Poppa
    10th May 2019
    2:41pm
    What is the ALP policy for Superannuation self funded retirees is there talk of changes?
    musicveg
    10th May 2019
    3:03pm
    Check their website or contact the ALP.
    johnp
    11th May 2019
    3:16am
    Would musicveg have the link to that ??

    Also look up the reporter Peter Gleeson and you will see where he talks about politicians and other so called "elites" being excluded from certain superannuation tax obligations. Was in Courier Mail 23/4/19 !! Called Division 293 - Higher Level Office Holders Exemptions from Superannuation Tax obligations.
    musicveg
    11th May 2019
    1:56pm
    https://www.alp.org.au/policies/labors-plan-to-make-superannuation-fairer/

    That is all I could find, but look up on google for other articles.
    Adrianus
    12th May 2019
    9:18am
    Bill Shorten said he was going after the top end of town. I did not realise we are the top end of town? Us retirees who have worked our butts off to eek out a living and save almost enough to be self reliant in retirement. We are the target for $34B in taxes, while big business is the target for only $2B. We are back to the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd type Labor, "don't do as I do, do as I say."
    Adrianus
    12th May 2019
    9:18am
    Bill Shorten said he was going after the top end of town. I did not realise we are the top end of town? Us retirees who have worked our butts off to eek out a living and save almost enough to be self reliant in retirement. We are the target for $34B in taxes, while big business is the target for only $2B. We are back to the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd type Labor, "don't do as I do, do as I say."


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