More Andrews than women at the top of ASX 200 companies

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Several years back, Conrad Liveris found there were more Peters, Johns and Davids in chief executive and chair positions of ASX 200 companies than women. He got people’s attention.

On the eve of World Women’s Day, Mr Liveris released his latest annual Gender Equality at Work report, examining gender differences at the top and pay gaps. He has found there are now more Andrews leading ASX 200 organisations as CEOs than there are women.

On a serious note, he says there has been progress, with female representation on ASX 200 boards at its highest ever rate of 26.6 per cent and the number of companies with female chief financial officers now at 20, compared with eight CFOs two years ago.

However, he found that women still run the bulk of support functions, holding 70 per cent of HR executive roles and 46 per cent of general counsel positions – while men hold 90 per cent of business unit roles.

With help from the Australian Human Rights Commission and the Australian Bureau of Statistics, we present some more facts about women:

  • 50.2 per cent of the Australian population are females
  • 38.1 is the median age of females at June 2016, compared with 36.4 for men
  • 46 per cent of all employees in Australia are women
  • $283 is the weekly pay gap between female and male employees (full-time adult ordinary time earnings)
  • 18 per cent is the national gender pay gap. It has been stuck between 15 and 18 per cent for the past two decades
  • 66 days is the average that Australian woman have to work each year to earn the same pay as the average man
  • $112,600 was the average retirement payout for women in 2009-10, compared with $198,000 for men
  • 92 per cent of primary carers for children with disabilities were women; 70 per cent of primary carers for parents were women, and 52 per cent of primary carers for partners were women
  • 24th is where we sit on a global index measuring gender equality in 2013 – down from 15th in 2006
  • 217 years for the world to achieve gender equality, according to the World Economic Forum
  • 25 per cent of women were sexually harassed in the workplace between 2007 and 2012.

 

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Written by Janelle Ward

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    More b/s about gender pay gap

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      Agreed, the usual rubbish, you would have to be simple minded to take this rubbish seriously.

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      Anyone with their eyes open must have noticed at how totally incompetent the Queensland government has become since the girls club took over. Almost as bad as all those other Labor girls that got premiers jobs way beyond their ability.

      The same goes for Canberra, since Turnbull filled the offices with girls.

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      Happened long before Turnbull, Hasbeen. Started way back in the early 1980’s and the PS has become a job placement service for the girls… since they can’t do the hard jobs and require the soft seat work so as to ‘equalise’ them – and dis-equalise others.

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    Why is this a problem? Everywhere I’ve ever worked everyone in same pay scales for same work. When volunteering at a hospital one staff room there were usually 20 women and me. So what?

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    If women want to narrow the gender pay gap they need to:

    1. work longer hours
    2. make different career choices
    3. accept a work/life balance skewed more towards work and career and less towards family.

    Women are perfectly free to make these choices, but in many cases prefer and choose not to because the last million years of evolution and simple biology has given them a slightly different value set to men. So if you’re a woman and it’s so important to you, by all means go for it because the choice is yours, but just stop complaining about it!

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      If only women could think so logically

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      Agree Only 54. The statistics even help tell that story. If people were not more focussed on buzz words “gender equality” and their perception of what that means than the real differences that exist we would not have to put up with the same boring codswallop be brought out every other day.

      Equality is the achievement of like for like. Different situations demand valid interpretation to ascertain like for like. I know no-one who and hope no-one here believes that where wages are fixed people should not be paid the same for the same output. Where bargaining is involved you ride on your laurels or how well you can promote whatever you do have.

      It doesn’t matter what gender, colour or creed you are, if you achieve the same you deserve the same. if wages are fixed there should be no contest. If you have to promote the value then you had better start believing in the quality of your own services.

      Much of the excitement around gender equality is generated by pulling a wide range of lifestyle and private or family choice matters into the mix. These have no place when considering payment for services. This is simply because an employer private or State can not be expected to pay more for the same output simply because of the employees lifestyle choices.

      That is not to say that socially we could not adjust other load sharing models to advantage. My opinion is that while the change in the last half century is fairly described as rapid with respect to the rate in the first couple hundred thousand years of human development it could be faster and fairer.

      Demands not based on like for like are everywhere in plain sight. This is a ploy, a mechanism for creating unfair advantage. Nurses point to teachers claiming the need for better awards. Teachers point to university professors and others. Few cossetted by the massive proportion of their industry underwritten by funds squandering government point to the rewards of in private industry for similar qualification.

      I know a couple who compare their reward unfavourably. Primary school teachers (ie 3 or 4 years modest university training) a hand full of years out. With a few special allowances they make around a quarter of a million a year between them. The two together work just on the same amount of hours per year as a single employed surveyor, engineer or architect who each have studied longer, earn a lot less than half on average and if truth be known probably spend more time with a different type of responsibility but a graver financial one. These also have a mere fraction of the benefits and rosy superannuation.

      Comparing like with like is exceedingly difficult in most situations. Certainly, if you are both selling chops and one sells more there is an obvious equation which can be drawn. If one has agreed family circumstances which affect time or output then it cannot be allowed to affect that equation, the number of chops will remain the primary factor or the business will subside. If one sells tofu, another transports it or insures it, grows or trains it there are a whole other set of factors involved.

      We need to keep a weather eye out for justifications not based on like for like interpretation. This is an integral part of assuring equality of value and there can be no objection to that equality. Nor with that clarity of appreciation need there be any either hard done by or feeling that way.

      It is unacceptable that anybody is discriminated against on the basis of gender, race, creed or whatever. Discrimination proven unequivocally can be acted upon. Statistics are inherently superficial, people have individual strengths, systems differing capacities; to play these off as rationale is deceit.

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      Discrimination is rife in our society, and interestingly it’s those who object to it who are the most discriminatory. We hear squeals about racial discrimination, but the demands are for superior benefits and favours for Indigenous and others of non-European descent. We hear squeals for equality for LGBTs, but they really want superior rights. And feminists are no different. They want a better deal for women, and if that means being unfair to men, so be it.

      There can never be equality, but we’d do much better if we stopped the reverse discrimination, because it’s not solving anything. It’s just changing the balances.

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    The first three comments on this article are typical men trying to justify the imbalance that exists. My late wife worked a lot harder than many of the men she worked with. She was he person who was chosen to go to different locations to sort out problems that existed there. At one point she was asked to train a man who had no experience working in her industry and found out as a new recruit he was being paid more tha she was. How is this fair.

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      Hi MjP. Your late wife’s situation was of course not fair and there is no doubt that it happens, although I would hope the incidence is decreasing. Studies also indicate that women are much less likely than men to stand up for themselves and negotiate when it comes to pay and this is something more women and many men need to consider and address (the squeaky wheel). Although that does not in any way rebut my comments above, let’s add:

      4. be more proactive regarding pay offers and reviews

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      Rubbish.

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      Not only that – but if we are talking about contracted salary agreed positions, there is no argument.

      If I worked in a movie tomorrow with Tom Cruise and Julia Roberts I would not be paid the same even if I spoke the same amount of lines and spent the same amount of time onscreen…. life’s like that.

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      It’s a complete rubbish article with cooked-up statistics about unequal pay – never seen it anywhere FOR THE SAME JOB.

      In fact, the Affirmative Action and such discriminatory practices are putting a lot of less competent women in place of men in higher positions – we see a lot of such poor leaders here and overseas.
      Merit must be the only criteria. In fact, you don’t see any non-Anglo Saxon males in higher positions or in parliament – and I can’t see any lobby fighting for them, whereas you see heaps of such cases in USA e.g. CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Pepsi (Indian woman), etc, etc.

      Yes, Australia has a way to go, but not in the direction pushed by this article!

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      The ‘way to go’ is in recognising merit, George – not in artificially defining it.

      One of my most famous personal quotes is that I come from a background where two Commando officers would have no problem with instantly knowing I was the man for a one-man night job…

      There’s more to ‘merit’ than having the ‘boxes’ ticked…… you need to know people, and most management in my experience have no idea at all.

      Whenever I meet someone and they say they ‘ticked all the boxes’ to get their job – I know they are a fake.

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      Yes, TREBOR, that’s exactly right, the lack of recognition of merit is the key issue. You hit the nail on the head – these days they cannot even judge people’s merit without ticking artificial, meaningless boxes. I have seen many fools hired as a result. Thus we also frequently see company network / system shutdowns (e.g. Banks, Syd Airport) or producing incorrect reporting (Centrelink, CBA), etc.

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      Oh, I should have added – the tick-box approach is used by fools to either select fools, but also sometimes to reject good candidates through useless criteria…..and select a mate from an ex-company!
      In Australia, the latter approach also allows them to discriminate in favour of fellow Anglo Saxons – have seen this primarily used by pommies (not so much by regular Aussies) who have themselves been selected by this approach here, i.e. discrimination is alive and well here as I noted earlier.

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    Having employed lots of people in my previous life, I am convinced that there are differences between the sexes. My conclusion is that people should be all considered equal in value, but the differences should be celebrated not criticised.

    If I want to employ 10 bricklayers, I am not going to expect that the mix will be 50-50. I need muscle strength, and men will outclass women most times. If I want an administrator, I expect women to be better in most cases. After 30 years of keeping statistics, sorry, but men were by far the better investment; they stayed longer, they worked harder, they produced more, and were more versatile and stable overall. In some areas men were crap.

    It just works out that way – for reasons that I don’t care about, it just IS. Got to be pragmatic about it, and that’s what my experience shows! Things might be changing, but it is very slow.

    I get annoyed with limitations, and bias, in personnel selection. Quotas? No way. Merit – definitely. Pick the person best suited physically and temperamentally, most likely to stay with you, and qualified for the position. Otherwise – a poor investment.

    Happy Women’s Day!!
    Oh, by the way, when is Men’s Day?

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      There’s no Men’s Day because men are the disposable sex. Women (and gays) are the sacred cows of the 21st century.

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      You’re wrong about administrators – my experience is that it is pretty even.

      19th November…… you just never hear about it since it is a reactionary position adopted by the male chauvinist oppressors to cover the reality that they already control every facet of society and hold all the cards every day of the year, and it is thus undeserving of any recognition, let alone official recognition.

      (LMAO)…. I’m just spouting the ‘feminist’ line here – excuse my humour…. (ROFLMAO)….

      If men politicians supported it, they’d lose their pussy trap of sucking up to every whine of the women’s lobbies.

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    So what? There are far more men in the dirtiest, most dangerous and lowest paid jobs than women. The feminists bleat on about the so-called “Glass Ceiling”; I point to all the men in the “Glass Cellar”.

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      Don’t forget the Glass Gutter that many end up in after divorce, CSA and all that rips apart their accumulated assets in life towards a decent retirement without relying on pension only (more men rely on pension only than women, BTW).

      We live in a twisted society that first smashes people’s lives and then blames them for the results.

      I think we need a revolution.

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      Funny that you never hear much about the fact that women, in general, have an increased life expectancy in excess of us poor suffering men. Could that have something to do with the emphasis on Women’s health issues that our society is big on? Don’t get me wrong, I love women (I know, that is now politically incorrect to make such a statement), but the girls’ are way in front of us fellas in so many areas it is a joke – seems they want it all!

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      Children turned loose in a big lolly shop…… and they only want the top of the range, not the cheap chewy gums…

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      I think it’s time this whole nonsense about ‘gender inequality’ was put to sleep – permanently.

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    Interesting that Energy Australia announced yesterday that they were going to pay their female staff the same as men doing the same job. Around 350 women earning $3,500 a year less.

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      It’s illegal to pay different wages because of gender. It’s been like that since the 60’s. If there was any case to answer then compensation would be awarded. So this is either fake news, which is likely or take them to court. I’m going with BS fake news written by some feminist with her nickers in a twist.

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      Yep more B/S

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      Not fake news. CEO interview available, or do you both just sprout off without readingWatching the news. We are talking salaried employees, not those covered by awards or enterprise bargaining.

      And…. equal pay for women came in the early 1970s not the 60s thanks to Gough Whitlam

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      Nonsense – it’s been illegal for years to pay less for the EXACT same job.

      Provide a link so a proper analysis of this nonsense can take place.

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      Women – by getting paid maternity leave and time off for family – already are paid more per hour than men doing the same job. It’s a stealthy thing.

      Sounds like Energy Australia has fallen for the hype and the lies, and probably figures a Grade II clerk should be paid the same as a Grade V or whatever… not the same job or responsibilities, so I call bullshit.

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      Sunday if a CEO said it I guarantee he told you whatever you wanted to hear.

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      By the way Sunday don’t forget to sue him. Good luck with that.

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      Silly, read the news. The CEO is a woman!!

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      That explains the bullshit then….. she actually claims to believe this nonsense, and even if she doesn’t – it’s just fair isn’t it? In her mind I’m sure she feels this is right and factual and true – but it simply cannot be.

      Details would be nice…. but there is no way anyone in the same grade and doing the same job was paid less – it’s been illegal for years, so a lie is being told in sheep’s clothing here to actually give women higher pay without doing the same job.

      Sounds like a good argument to NOT have women CEOs etc.

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      I agree Trebor that explains it. Time to throw the CEO out. But still sue her anyway she has excepted fault even though there wasn’t any.

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      Bet she wasn’t selected on merit!

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    Until more men assume the primary carer role in equal number to women who assume those roles, there will always be a difference in the earning potential (and therefore superannuation) between men and women.

    If women in senior management positions, for example, cannot negotiate an equal pay deal for themselves, I would question their ability to negotiate any other contract. Lower down the pecking order, most sectors work to an industry award that pays everyone at the same scale the same. If women earn less there it is because they are not working the same hours or shifts as men, not because they are women.

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      Discussion of negotiated salaries is outside the discussion unless the negotiated salary falls below a mandated minimum level, at which point it becomes exploitation.

      If the going rate for a car sales person is based on $1000 a week, and one negotiates $2000 a week and another $1500 – there is no argument… if the second negotiates $900 – there is an issue.

      Remember that next time we discuss workplace and industry agreements… NOBODY can negotiate to pay less than the required minimum, that is the law.

      Again – in a movie Tom Cruise would be able to negotiate far more pay than I could…..

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      … but I could not be paid less than the Equity rate…..

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    Women get an international day of attention, then whine and complain for the rest of the year. Men get a few sheds. Being a woman I’d like to say I’m fed up with women in general and have been for a long time. There’s about 2 in 10 that I’d judge as naturally nice people. I worked in responsible jobs and where possible I’d choose a male over a female for employment/promotion every time. Women do not have the constitution to match men in executive/leadership roles. We are emotionally and physically very different. Sooner or later they start making excuses about family commitments, feeling unwell, wanting time off and special privileges because they are “women”. Women don’t want to do hard physical jobs and will run a mile when something heavy needs to be lifted (will ask a man to do heavy lifting for them). Just look out your window, up and down the street, and write down how many things you see that a woman built. Zilch. Absolutely nothing. You won’t see too many women painting roofs, fencing, concreting, installing overhead wires, digging trenches – hard physical work. No wonder men don’t want to commit to marriage. They’re become so down-trodden and under-valued, the mere sight of a shrieking feminist “I can do anything” type makes them shudder. Yes women think they can do anything and deserve more than we are worth, but they don’t fix the car, paint the house, knock up a new fence, clean windows, mow the lawns and move the furniture. Oh women cry me a river – so many old hags still single and miserable in their forties because men have decided they’re just not worth the hassle.

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      Couldn’t of said it better myself.

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      Really Brissie Girl. It depends on the work. I once managed a transaction centre with 58 women and 2 men. I was happy to employ men, but they did not want to do low paid data entry work! What I found with women is they stick to things, they investigate errors, they take pride in their work. I was happy to accommodate family responsibilities. Better, than guys who come in hung over, or worse took shortcuts which were hard to correct. By the way right now, we have carpenters in fixing the shed, and surprise one of them is a young woman!

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      Actually Brissiegirl, there are far more female tradies now and also women on construction sites doing exactly the same jobs the men do. When I renovated my kitchen it was all installed by a single woman who was not only proficient in hauling the oversized overhead cabinets into place by herself, she also cleaned up after herself each day! I would hire her again in a heartbeat. Can’t say the same for other trades I employed at the same time!

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      Oops the femtards are after you now. You know you are not allowed an opinion. Ha ha

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      Apparently these women have seen a woman work once…………….. I hope you got a picture. Ha ha

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      A sparrow fart of women tradies a Spring maketh not….

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      No Tib and Trebor, credit where it is due. There are plenty of women tradespeople. Nowhere near a majority but enough standing up to be counted. My guess is that none would be paid differently.

      Because they would have been interested enough to actively pursue the role they will also likely perform in the top bracket of their piers.

      Men may lug a little heavier logs but this is now a very small part of any trade.

      Good luck to any females engaging in these jobs. If they are paid less than their peers there would be something to complain about.

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    The gender pay gap is about sacrifice. Male sacrifice. We do jobs we hate because they pay more so we can support our families. We have less time with family and friends because of our job. In most cases we spend very little of the money we make on ourselves, most goes to the family. Women often work at jobs they like , spend time with family and friends and spend most of the family income including their husbands salary. After all that you continue to bitch and complain even though it’s quite obvious that the male makes nearly all the sacrifices. You want a lousy job that pays more, you want less time with family and friends, great go for it but stop bitching to me. Its one thing to have your nice easy lives but to have you complain about it is a bit hard to take.

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