18th Jan 2018

Age pensioners to be subject to new rules as of 1 July 2018

Age pensioners to be subject to new rules as of 1 July 2018
Leon Della Bosca

New eligibility rules for the Age Pension and Disability Support Pension (DSP) are before Parliament and should come into effect on 1 July 2018.

The Enhanced Residency Requirements for Pensioners laws will save the Government and taxpayers around $119 million a year, but will not affect 98 per cent of Age Pension and DSP recipients.

Under the new rules, recipients will need to have:

  • 10 continuous years of Australian residence including five working years, or
  • 10 continuous years of residence without having claimed any income support for five years or more, or
  • 15 years of continuous Australian residence.

 



Currently, Age Pension and DSP recipients are required to have 10 years’ Australian residency, including five continuous years.

A Department of Social Services spokesperson said the changes were intended to prevent taxpayers from having to support migrants who arrive just prior to retirement age or who have spent their time in Australia receiving income support, such as Newstart.

“Welfare reform is essential to ensure Australia has a welfare system that remains financially sustainable for future generations,” the spokesperson said.

However, certain exemptions will remain in place, such as for humanitarian entrants, disability support for anyone hurting themselves after arriving in Australia and special benefits for anyone experiencing financial hardship.

However, the Federation of Ethnic Communities’ Councils of Australia (FECCA) has criticised the legislation saying it will impose considerable hardship on vulnerable migrants at a time when they need support.

“FECCA believes that this move will create an underclass of migrants – new arrivals who find themselves at even more risk financially as they try to settle into Australia,” said FECCA Chairperson Mary Patetsos.

“These changes make it harder for migrants to settle in this country—for the sake of what is a relatively modest government budget saving.”

What do you think of the new rules? Will they affect you?


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SuziJ
22nd Jan 2018
10:07am
It won't bother me, as I've lifetime residency in Australia! Never lived overseas.
HDRider
22nd Jan 2018
10:59am
You don't mention of you've worked jack, etc I mean SuziJ
jackie
22nd Jan 2018
11:02am
I can see a many newly arrived migrants having accidents soon as they hit the tarmac...ha ha
Suze
22nd Jan 2018
7:06pm
Spot on Jackie :)
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:40am
Yes. There's a business opportunity here for the unscrupulous. Arranging accidents that appear legitimate, for a hefty fee of course, and helping the victim lodge their claim.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:41am
Don't think there won't be entrepreneurs doing it. There are already people taking fat fees for arranging accidents that facilitate big insurance claims.
Knows-a-lot
23rd Jan 2018
4:33pm
The Lebanese have been doing this sort of scam for decades.
George
24th Jan 2018
12:49pm
These rules will also hit many Older Australians who did not work sufficiently prior to pension age due to Age Discrimination - see my post below as well before you cheer these rules on!
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:21pm
I can't see how, George. Fifteen years of continuous residency is all that is required if you don't meet the work/self-sufficiency requirement.
SuziJ
3rd Apr 2018
10:48am
HDRider. I've only been overseas once and that was for a 12 week holiday, so, yes, I've lived and worked here in Australia until I was made redundant in 2006 after only 6 months in the job. My DSP eligibility has been since Jan 1999.
MICK
22nd Jan 2018
10:15am
I can't see any issues for genuine Australian with this. Blow ins should never be allowed to access handouts forever like they do and it is long due a government acted for the country. Bring it on. I can hear the complaints from the vested interests already.....
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:42am
My only complaint is that it's still way too generous.
George
24th Jan 2018
12:46pm
Read the proposed rules carefully again - the rules will also hit anyone who was on "any income support", such as Newstart, which may be any "genuine" Australians, not just recent migrants!!!

Also, what about the stay-at-home partners who did not have "five working years"?

As usual, this stupid Govt makes stupid rules with devious consequences.

Much better to simply insist on years of residency - may be extend it to 20 years, gradually increasing till full rate at 10 years. And, make it Universal Pension from that point without Asset or Income tests.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:29pm
Read it again, George. If you've lived continuously in Australia for 15 years, you are not affected. Alternately, if you have only resided her continuously for 10 years but did not claim income support for 5 of those years, you are fine. I can't see how it will impact ''genuine'' Australians except in very rare and extraordinary circumstances.

I do agree we should have a Universal pension without income or assets tests - or at very least abolish the extraordinarily cruel and unfair assets test.
George
25th Jan 2018
4:14pm
You are right, Rainey, I did read it in a rush (missed the "or"s) while catching up emails after a period away.
I still think these rules are unnecessary as they assume jobs are available for Older Australians in the years before they reach pension age (or if they get retrenched, or, what if it was a Business person whose business failed) - if they arrived less than 15 years prior to pension age. As usual, some will fall through the cracks in rules. Note: They all may be genuine Australians too.

Such tinkering around the edges is simply making rules more complex (with more work for an overworked Centrelink) - instead of simply going for an Universal Pension and reducing Centrelink work & costs.
OnlyGenuineRainey
26th Jan 2018
10:24am
I do agree with you about complexity, George, and I think Australians should be entitled to a pension with no strings attached - meaning NO MEANS TEST, and definitely not an assets test which unfairly punishes those who saved well. But I don't think we can afford to offer an unconditional pension to recent immigrants who contributed nothing to this country. We need a way of locking out those who think they can come for the welfare.
Charlie
22nd Jan 2018
10:34am
Ok migrants will have to bring their money with them. Not come to Australia for the welfare, which seems to have happened in Europe.
professori_au
22nd Jan 2018
9:09pm
isn't that an option the government has already offered migrants rich enough to pay. Buy your residency/citizenship. On the other hand you virtually deny refugees unless they have managed to hide and bring their money. I understand there is a qualifying period for people marrying a person from another country. The spouse has to pay a security that is to cover medical hospital, etc. should the partner become ill and need social security support. A few years ago when I acted as an advocate for a family the price was approximately. However, I may be incorrect but it appears the rules have been changed for refugees who now receive benefits from the moment they are in the country and have been approved residency. there appears many anomalies in government policy which need to be made clear to the public.
tisme
22nd Jan 2018
10:38am
ive been on the carer pittance for 10 years or more now , does that affect the age pension or disab pension, with my slip and falls n such I'm not on that yet but that's a future possibility . how dare the govt try to rip off carers like me after paying us 3.50 an hour
arbee
22nd Jan 2018
10:51am
I didn't see anything in this article that was going to affect carers, please enlighten me.
HDRider
22nd Jan 2018
10:52am
What are you saying tisme? The rules above are quite clear are they not? Are you born n bred Aussie? Lived here all your life? Worked at some point? Then what you worried about?
Radish
1st Feb 2018
5:53pm
People need to read and digest what they are reading. If you have been living here all your life you will not be affected.
miker
22nd Jan 2018
10:50am
The Govt should also reduce the number of new immigrants as well, especially from non Christian/non english speaking countries
clancambo
22nd Jan 2018
10:52am
The lack of assimilation from these groups disturbs me more than their religion.
Vicstar
22nd Jan 2018
12:10pm
clancambo, I’m with you. I am more than happy to welcome, befriend and respect anyone-but it’s a two way street.
happy
22nd Jan 2018
3:31pm
Totally agree. We are far too generous to people who never try to become part of the overall Australian community and way of life.
George
24th Jan 2018
12:51pm
Agree.
Radish
1st Feb 2018
5:54pm
Some will never assimilate. Our way of life is too different to some.
clancambo
22nd Jan 2018
10:50am
Potential immigrants in India, can enrol in a short course on how to access welfare in Australia.
Jtee
22nd Jan 2018
2:21pm
Probably right. Have a friend who works in Centrelink and he has stated that as soon as they get off the plane their first port of call is Centrelink. They know what they can get and make their claim to our welfare. These people have done nothing to help the economy of our country and come here with the expectation that we will "pay" them (and this reference was related to immigrants from many countries)
Knows-a-lot
23rd Jan 2018
4:34pm
Stop ALL immigration would be a great start.
Radish
1st Feb 2018
5:56pm
Who were the main instigators of the child minding rort which was uncovered recently. Cost the taxpayers of this country a hell of as lot of money before it was stopped.
HDRider
22nd Jan 2018
10:58am
Migrants/ refugees arrive here and cannot speak or language. They very soon learn the more kids you have the more money you get. The also learn to take a lot of time too learn English at school paid for buy the taxpayer. They all get houses close to the city, BIG houses too and they pay minimal rent from their taxpayer funds.
Time to stop this crap, stop all these dam payments and make them WORK and be responsible for their families keep.
Also stop organisations like the church from importing them and make the organisations responsible for their keep!
Cowboy Jim
22nd Jan 2018
11:14am
Yeah, go back to the good old days. Arrived by ship myself and had
to knock on a few doors till I got a job and yes, I am from an non-English background. Then you go and hang around the locals and in
no time at all you are fluent in English. This mob goes to the nearest mosque hanging around the other bearded blokes and speak Arabic
only. The welfare per week is more than they earn working in a month where they come from. They are Centrelink Seekers not Asylum Seekers for sure.
marls
22nd Jan 2018
1:17pm
HRRider
Totally agree
MrsBrownthethird
22nd Jan 2018
11:22am
the government should stop taking any more immigrants in full stop
john
22nd Jan 2018
12:40pm
Or the government should massively curtail the numbers of immigrants and onl;t take people who have the capacity to totally integrate, most we get now can't. Believe it or not , its a fact of life, everyone's life, right now here in Australia .
I think we need a massive massive rethink of who we vote into power, its been too long , we can't have a raving pack of looney right wingers who may have some good ideas about over immigration , but have whacky ideas in other ways. Nor can we have the Di Natale type half wits of the Greens , who are so stupid they don't even realise how dangerous they are to us.
The two major parties are tied together somehow in the tiny space of difference that separates both their parties.

Bill Shorten was a union manipulator , who created worse outcomes for some in his union days for his rank and file.

Turnbull is a wealthy banker.
Both these men see the world through a totally different light, to what the AVERAGE AUSSIE sees it now. Because they aren't us either!
Its the edge of time with a change desperately needed for our own protection as a nation of Australians.The change bring people who can assimilate to us here, cut the numbers
Not bring those that are so different it can never ever work in numbers.
Its time some middle road party strikes a balance and its time that we got rid of these two major parties as they have created mayhem both of them , since 2007.
Howard made one big blue, he stuffed up the workers with work choices, we got the Almighty Rudd, GREAT, until we realised he was nothing either, its been down hill from then on.
And of course the abominable Greens. I think we're stuffed.
MrsBrownthethird
22nd Jan 2018
11:22am
the government should stop taking any more immigrants in full stop
AutumnOz
22nd Jan 2018
1:12pm
The more immigrants who come here the more our water supply is threatened.
We are the driest continent on earth and that isn't going to change.
South Africa starting to run out of water should be a lesson to our leaders to take action against extra usage of our finite supply of water.
floss
22nd Jan 2018
11:32am
This is the only good idea this Liberal Government has had since it came to power.
George
24th Jan 2018
12:53pm
Sorry, disagree, it's a badly flawed set of rules - see my initial posts at the top. It's meant to pull the wool over the eyes of Older Australians.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
6:11pm
No, George. You are misreading I think. It is not hurting anyone who have lived in Australia for 15 years, even if they never worked. If they worked or went 5 years without claiming welfare, they need only have lived here 10 years continuously. It's only hurting relatively recent immigrants who have not worked and paid their way.
Budwah
22nd Jan 2018
11:32am
They say it will save $119million a year but I bet that $119 million won’t be used on making things a bit easier for pensioners. They will still have to struggle to make ends meet. The savings will probably go on some new list of lurks and perks for politicians.
The sooner pensioners and less we’ll off retired people get their act together and stand up to these drongos in Canberra the better life will be all round.
If an Australian worker doesn’t get paid a fair living wage - all hell breaks loose and employers are taken to court etc, but pensioners and less well off retirees get nothing. There is a mindset creeping into Australia that pensioners are a blight on society. People forget that back in their working life there was no such thing as superannuation which is a good thing and eventually retired people won’t have to rely on pensions to survive.
Tommo
22nd Jan 2018
1:15pm
Well said Budwah. I recall a few years ago that one of the contributors to Lifechoices tried to get " seniors party " going so that we could take on the idiots in Canberra. Unfortunately, nothing came of it, so, our overpaid, arrogant, puerile politicians, continue to rob the seniors and line there own pockets. If you are a migrant and came here because you were afraid, you get IMMEDIATE assistance, which I understand keeps on keeping on, this includes medical & dental. We seniors who have paid taxes all our life are treated like second class citizens and have to APPLY to have our teeth seen to which takes 12 months from application and another 12 months wait !!!! Where are all these supposed supporters of seniors? Like the seniors magazine, only good for holiday info, but I bet their management get looked after. About time we seniors arise and show these useless politicians we mean business - and yes, I am pissed off.
Joy Anne
22nd Jan 2018
3:53pm
I also bet your right. WHAT ABOUT REFUGEES THERE SHOULD NOT BE ONE RULE IMMIGRANTS AND ANOTHER FOR REFUGEES
floss
22nd Jan 2018
11:36am
It is a known fact they pick the country with the best welfare system does this mean they will go some were else.
Bribri
22nd Jan 2018
1:11pm
Yep that is what I just wrote about below. It's sickening.
Knight Templar
22nd Jan 2018
2:08pm
floss. The United Kingdom is a good example. Thousands of refugees from the Middle East and Africa, ignore safe havens such as Greece, Italy, France etc in their attempts to illegally enter Britain. I gather it's not for the climate ...
JayUK
5th Mar 2018
5:25pm
Both my children emigrated to Australia several years ago and are both now citizens. We obviously miss them no end and have applied for a contributory parent visa which would cost us $50k each and now take over three years to be granted, so it's not that easy for some to enter Australia. We wouldn't be able to access a pension for ten years but wouldn't have expected to anyway. Our son would sponsor us and there are financial stipulations there too, so it's an expensive business if you want to emigrate the 'proper' way. Time for granting of non contributory visas was quoted at one time as 30 years.

However, reading some of the comments here, it seems that many of the complaints raised are exactly as many of our grievances here in UK as regards handouts to migrants who may not deserve them. It's all sounding so familiar!!
HKW
22nd Jan 2018
11:39am
I absolutely support the new government rules.
No more 'sponging' from genuine Australian hardworking taxpayers !!
Migrants need to work their asses off as many of us did and earn their pensions !
HKW
22nd Jan 2018
11:39am
I absolutely support the new government rules.
No more 'sponging' from genuine Australian hard-working taxpayers !!
Migrants need to work their asses off as many of us did and earn their pensions !
bob menzies
22nd Jan 2018
11:45am
a great start and I might have gone further - there are refugees who came here in 1994 and never worked claimed benefits and now reaching OAP are claiming that - some speak limited English except when it comes to claiming benefits - then they have a PHD in English.
If you haven't contributed to Australia as a taxpayer or been a partner to one who did then you should get nothing
Triss
22nd Jan 2018
1:55pm
Maybe government should insist on an English fluency test as well before handing out pensions to refugees.
Aviatorman
22nd Jan 2018
11:54am
Govt are on the correct path. No work, no pay. Otherwise bring your money with you. Don't just lob here and expect other taxpayers to foot the handouts.
ABI
22nd Jan 2018
12:09pm
I arrived 50 years ago as a 16 year old, during this month, so I have no problem in qualifying.
Started working the next day and non stop until 2011 when made redundant.
In 2016 received a small pension, due to my wife still working.
Now taken away due to a small inheritance, does it pay working hard?
I assimiliated into society, learnt to read and write and this is what you get for your hard work.
Looking back in a way I don’t blame all the dole bludgers enjoyng life for the rest Centrelink took care.
Pensioners really get a raw deal.
john
22nd Jan 2018
12:46pm
ABI your the migrant we want . Always have wanted and your an Australian.
We don't get potential Australians any more , we get people who have never been able to look after themselves because their own kind make war on them kill them blow them up , everything, JAM A RELIGION DOWN THEIR THROAT, they don't have the ability to fit in.They look after themselves with our tax payer money welfare, while we struggle. this may be a good move it'll move further and it should.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:56am
Yes, ABI, it's WRONG! People like you SHOULD get a pension. We have a ''welfare mentality'' in this country because hard workers and responsible savers are punished while bludgers are over-indulged. It's mind-boggling to see how many fools continue to harp on claiming cutting benefits and making pensions a loan against the family home will fix things. The ONLY fix is to stop penalizing the honest hard workers and savers. Reward people for doing what is good for the nation and more people will. Foster this stupid notion that those with little or nothing should get handouts while those with modest means are bullied and raped and we'll naturally have a lot more manipulating to appear to have little or nothing. Goodness, one contributor here openly admits to cruising the world for 5 years and giving all his grandkids huge handouts so he can get an aged pension!

We recognize that kids need tough love. Adults are no different. Restrict benefits to immigrants who assimilate, learn our language, work and pay taxes. And stop depriving people for working hard and saving responsibly. Tell prospective immigrants they are more than welcome here if they adopt our language and our culture and support themselves. Otherwise, stay away!
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
2:02pm
Well off, right wing oldies want to bludge off society. They'll sit in their million dollar city houses, living off their half million and more super. PLUS their part pension ...... but, but, but .... they STILL whinge and moan and groan that they deserve a FULL pension.

And the right wing bludgers who are old but too wealthy to qualify for any age pension at all, STILL whinge and scream that they are "entitled" to a full age pension.

They are well off bludgers. The only reason most of these bludgers are well off is because of property and money investments over a long period ... their actual hard work would rarely amount to more than a few percent of their current wealth. They are well off because by "chance" they happened to be born in a country that provided long term investment/property wealth.

Then these bludgers reply with "but, but, but I worked so hard for decades and had nothing back then" without comprehending that the hard work did not produce their actual dollar wealth ..... what produced that wealth was the LUCK of investing in property and the stock exchange in the "right country at the right time".

But they don't care about any of that. After all, they feel "entitled".
Triss
23rd Jan 2018
5:44pm
Unhappy with the OAPs, JimD, but quite happy to pay out ten times more to ex politicians twenty years younger.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
6:58pm
OAPs are wonderful. But a "tiny minority" of them whine, whine, and whine that their million dollar city house and their over 1/2 a million in super and savings means they are underprivileged and need MORE, MORE, MORE ..... then scream out "give me the FULL age pension". They are nicely off whingers who don't comprehend how lucky they are.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
9:18pm
Or maybe they are sick to death of supporting bludgers while they have their savings eroded and get no benefit for decades of hard work? JimD, your comments are very nasty and judgmental, and mostly baseless. For your information, couples with 1/2 million in super DO get pensions, but people with $900,000 don't, and they may as well party and blow $400K because many are worse off than if they had $400K less. And after decades of hard slog and going without, they are quite justified in objecting to unfairness that sees those with less being handed up to $1 million from the taxpayer, while workers and savers get nothing. Same goes for homeowners. Many are worse off than renters, after slogging it out for 30+ years to pay a mortgage.

I think it's time there was an examination of what people did with their money during their working lives. Maybe if we stopped rewarding bludgers and spendthrifts and started respecting those who work hard and live responsibly, we could get this nation out of debt and back on track.

The ''nicely off'' are NOT lucky. In a vast number of cases, luck had nothing at all to do with it. It was hard work and sacrifice. And it sickens me that greedy folk who didn't do the hard yards now begrudge those hard workers fair reward.

I, for one, am sick to death of these whining lefties wanting to strip everyone of their hard-earned savings and hand it out to bludgers and spendthrifts and Johnny-come-latelies who did nothing for this nation.

What we need in Australia is to get rid of the ''welfare mentality'', and that means ensuring those who work and save are far better off than those who don't. I'm happy to fund welfare for the sick and disabled and those who suffered genuine hardship, but there are not too many of them. Most pensioners shouldn't be raiding the public purse at all. If I could save to be self-supporting, coming from a seriously disadvantaged background and struggling to raise a family and pay off a nice home on one minimum wage (or less) for most of my working life, then the vast majority who are on aged pensions shouldn't be.

The ''lefties'' are ruining this country with their communist agenda, driving us into debt to hand out rewards to anyone who doesn't bother to contribute and depriving those who do. And seems they are never content. They are always screaming for more!
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
9:44pm
HILARIOUS: After constantly denying he's a rightie day after day , our dear Rainey just wrote ...... wait for it ...... yes he wrote this ...... here it is .... Rainey just wrote "THE 'LEFTIES' ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY WITH THEIR COMMUNIST AGENDA".

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Rainey dear, please get off that Ice, or is it LSD, or cocaine ...... whatever you're on please ditch it. It's really bad for you.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
7:06am
Poor deluded JimD. Can't comprehend that you don't have to be a ''rightie'' to disapprove of radical left-wing policies. There is a middle, JimD.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
12:16pm
Dear Rainey says he's "middle" ground. Ha ha ha. Chairman Mao once said he was middle ground too.

Here's what Rainey has recently written:

"LEFTIES ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY WITH THEIR COMMUNIST AGENDA. I am sick to death of these whining lefties. The sick and disabled ... but there are not too many of them. You need to stop blaming politicians. I can't find a single immigrant who came here and worked. Just show me one refugee who is genuinely doing it harder than me. All these ratbag lefties. We shouldn't be extending charity to others. Boats are full of refugees and their gold and diamonds and cash is thoroughly mind boggling."

Yep, our dear Rainey and the red haired lady are solidly together as one.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:33pm
JimD, are you actually capable of reading and making an intelligent comment without falsely accusing, insulting, abusing, and lying about someone you've clearly taken a dislike to - maybe because you are sick with envy? Clearly you are VERY SICK.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
3:10pm
Rainey, are you actually capable of reading and making an intelligent comment without falsely accusing, insulting, abusing, and lying about someone you've clearly taken a dislike to - maybe because you are sick with envy? Clearly you are VERY SICK.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
6:14pm
JimD, you are the one insulting and abusing. Go back and look at the number of times you've called me a ''bigot'', ''racist'', accused me of fearing ''brown skinned people'''. All in response to my putting forward a point of view that most here clearly agree with.

And now you are capable only of repeating my words. Poor man!
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
8:29pm
Rainey, you are the one insulting and abusing. Go back and look at the number of times you've called me a ''leftie'', ''communist'', accused me of fearing your "lies''. All in response to my putting forward a point of view that most decent Aussies clearly agree with.

And now you are capable only of instigating my words. Poor Rainey!
OnlyGenuineRainey
25th Jan 2018
2:54pm
Go take the meds I'm paying to supply you with at concessional cost, JimD. You need them.
Anonymous
25th Jan 2018
6:27pm
Rainey my sweetie, go take the meds I'm paying to supply you with at concessional cost. You need them.
OnlyGenuineRainey
26th Jan 2018
10:29am
Totally deluded, JimD. You don't pay for anything. I pay, along with other self-funded retirees and workers, to support you and give you discounts on medications. I pay full price for anything I need. Fortunately, I don't need any meds.

Now repeat that post turned around. You've lied about paying to supply me. Now lie about paying to support me. Or take your meds and wake up to reality. You are looking very silly.
Anonymous
26th Jan 2018
12:30pm
I contribute to peoples' meds via the many complex taxes I pay and Rainey knows it.

Come on Rainey, now continue with more of your name calling (poor Rainey thinks that if you call people names then you've "WON"). Very sad, but funny at the same time too.
OnlyGenuineRainey
28th Jan 2018
4:55pm
Pot calling kettle black, JimD. You are the one calling me a ''rightie'' and ''greedy'' throwing a host of other abusive remarks. And no, you don't contribute to anyone's meds. You don't pay tax. You collect a pension, and any tax you pay is merely repaying part of what you take. It's not benefiting anyone but you.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2018
12:34pm
So folks, our dear little name calling Rainey says "you don't pay tax" then 5 words later says "any tax you pay". Ha ha ha.

Have a good lie down dear, then visit the websites of your heroes Cory, Tony and the red haired lady (that will calm you down even more), then go play with your pussy cat for a few minutes. You'll feel better then dear.
Old Man
22nd Jan 2018
12:19pm
Are you seriously expecting us to be over concerned about 2% of those who will be affected by the new laws? Have they passed the Senate? What percentage of people will be included in the "certain exemptions will remain in place, such as for humanitarian entrants, disability support for anyone hurting themselves after arriving in Australia and special benefits for anyone experiencing financial hardship"?

Surely there are more important things to be discussing in this forum. Can we look at Feeney and get comment on how he has conducted himself as an MP? This is the guy who "forgot" he owned an investment property worth over $2M and now we find that he didn't keep any copies of correspondence renouncing his citizenship in the UK. The UK have no record of his application. Surely a comment on the quality of some people who are paid to run this country is more important?
john
22nd Jan 2018
12:47pm
Feeney goes out today!
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:59am
Bet he's not required to repay all the profits of his act of fraud though. And I'll guarantee he doesn't do jail time. One law for the elite and another for the rest! He committed fraud. Nobody ''forgets'' they own a $2 million property. And if he applied to renounce his UK citizenship, the application would be on record. He lied to obtain benefit. That's FRAUD.
john
22nd Jan 2018
12:20pm
Humanitarian considerations, does this mean... still throwing welfare at people who came here without the correct immigration papers or identification.

Proper migrants have to come here its how we grew.

But to be supporting people that most Australians don't think we should, people from wars that we didn't start or will ever finish and using welfare to prop them up, makes me wonder why they get in here in the first place?
When we seem to be not able to support some of our own with pensions etc.
Just what is with this mass "BRING EM ALL IN ANYONE" mind set, with some parliamentarians.
We are driving in a fast car towards a brick wall, really stuffing the great things in Australia up.
By becoming the Salvo's help the needy, shop, for the world. While lots of our own have to jump hoops to get pensions or any kind of welfare , and a job even.
I have a close relative, in what is known as permanent casual position, it means he can be called to work any time , but you know what, he hasn't been called for nearly two weeks, he's a young man what the hell hope has he or the hundreds of thousands of Australian kids in the same boat ever going to get a home! this is Turnbulls 1000 jobs a day or a week ???????? I can't remember the ridiculous figure they mentioned , but it is not real. This stupidity of only helping outsiders, will kill off the ALP the Greens and the LNP, Australians are almost wrung out and getting angrier by the week.
I am life time resident of my home country Australia too!
Triss
22nd Jan 2018
2:05pm
You are so right, John, you can’t pack a quart into a pint pot and the government should start accepting this. There’s no shame in telling the world that we can’t take any more because we have no jobs and no more money. Our own people are being marginalised by having resources skimmed off them in order to support refugees and it has to stop.
Rae
22nd Jan 2018
12:34pm
I think we have all had too much concern going to new chums and not enough for our own. All to support mostly foreign businesses.

New immigrants should work. Most do and any rules to weed out those who arrived purely for our welfare should be acceptable.
Not a Bludger
22nd Jan 2018
12:43pm
About time the rules for "money for free"were tightened and they should be tightened much further.

And, these moaning groups should not have their grizzling and complaining funded by our coin - just sick of it.
sunnyOz
22nd Jan 2018
2:11pm
Totally agree....6 months from Old Age Pension age, and I had to leave my job due to the most horrendous bullying, and was in a senior govt office. Boss form hell, my Dr insisted I go on W/c which was denied because I could not give written examples, and provide witnesses. And cannot get ANY Centrelink - have to dive into my super. Firstly, who ever says to speak up about bullying - yeah, right! I lost my job - they were protected and was rewarded!
Yet in an op shop the other day - saw a lady buying some furniture with 2 other people who could not speak English. Got talking to her - she explained they were refugees, had just been give a house, and they get a damn healthy allowance to go shopping for furniture.
So I have paid taxes for nearly 50 years, and cannot get any Centrelink. I am not wealthy, I am single, so for nearly 4 months, I have NO income. No wonder the system is such a joke.
KSS
22nd Jan 2018
12:55pm
It seems to me that those most likely to be affected are those who used or expect to use the family reunion route to residency. This where the child was sent to study here then once finished at university (or other higher education) obtained permanent residency or citizenship. Or came as a skilled migrant themselves and eventually applied for permanent residency. As soon as that was complete that ex-student/person then applied to bring the rest of the family to Australia and that of course included ageing parents. I have no issue with that BUT if the parents cannot support themselves then the child should be made to and that includes all medical and general living expenses. The Australia taxpayer should not be supporting the convenience of having family members in Australia. Yes many people now have ageing parents or other family members overseas, and yes it makes it difficult to care for them. But that is not the responsibility of the Australian welfare system.

Migration over the age of 40 is difficult and the age limit for skilled migration is already 50. These people would not be affected by the new rules.

Genuine refugees are a different matter and these new rules will not affect them no matter what their age. And that is how it should be.

I support the new regulations and just hope the Senate does not block this move.
Old Man
22nd Jan 2018
12:59pm
I grew up in the 1950's when there was a big influx of migrants, some of whom had fought on the other side during WWII. In some cases, the parents never really grasped the English language and used their children to translate. Australia became a better place because of a lot of these migrants. We were classed as a cosmopolitan society. Then in the 70's, somebody coined the word "multicultural" and I believe that was when the problems started.

Cosmopolitan societies are when people assimilate and each society learns from the other. The best of both societies is retained and a richer society is achieved. A multicultural society suggests that each nationality retains their own culture which I believe has contributed to the problems we have today. Originally, migrants attended places of worship where the leaders spoke to the congregation in English whereas today some religious meetings are held in the language of the country from where the immigrants departed. Australia needs to drop the multicultural stance and revert to the cosmopolitan model.
AutumnOz
22nd Jan 2018
1:25pm
Agreed Old Man.
The worst thing we did as a society was to change from a cosmopolitan and integrated society to the so called multicultural mess we now have where Ghettos have now become the norm for overseas immigrants instead of mixing with Australians and sending their children to the local schools.
Bribri
22nd Jan 2018
1:00pm
I have been here since 9 of January 1960. So I am ok. But I know of someone who arrived in Australia in 1964. Already married with 4 children.Never really worked apparatus from delivering advertising papers. She gets a pension from the country she comes from because of her ex-husband. Now she lives in another country then Australia Never wanted to become an Australian Citizen. Now she says that she is C......n. But she gets the Full Australian pension. And what makes me mad is that when she runs out of Medications she gets in touch with her child who gets the prescription medications from the chemist at the pensioners' price that we are paying. The country she lives in now she lives with a partner.She is even able to come once every 2 years for a holiday. I really do not think it is at all fair. As real pensioners' here are paying for it.....
KSS
22nd Jan 2018
1:11pm
Yes well I have said it before, only Australian citizens should be able to apply for welfare of any kind. It should not be open to residents.

(Except for those genuine refugees who need the assistance).
HS
22nd Jan 2018
1:13pm
I see nothing wrong with giving refugees a "leg up" for a limited period. But, not forever !
Centrelink staff must be educated and trained how to spot refugee and migrant fraudsters.
Triss
22nd Jan 2018
2:14pm
How can she get the full English pension, Bribri? I understood that a pension from another country was taken into consideration by Centrelink and used to lower the amount of pension a pensioner would receive.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
8:07am
Where are all these ''genuine'' refugees? Where do they get the means to flee? I met a lady in a bookstore whose daughter works in border protection and she said her daughter tells her that they intersect boats full of ''refugees'' and the gold and diamonds and cash is thoroughly mind-boggling. Not to mention that the people are very healthy and well dressed and there's a ton of luxury food on board. They all have the latest electronic devices too.

I suspect there are very few ''genuine refugees'', because if they truly met the criteria, they would have no means of getting here in the first place.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
1:36pm
The right wing Aussies (both Labor and coalition voters) have been VERY effectively brainwashed by the government to "believe" that refugees are living in luxury, are millionaires with lots of gold and diamonds, are bathing in mega cash, luxury food and wear only the best of the best of designer clothes.

Yep ... Howard and Abbott and Gillard and Rudd and Morrison and Dutton and Turnbull have VERY successfully brainwashed many Aussies.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
5:57pm
I've never heard any politician claim refugees were living in luxury or were millionaires, JimD. But I have heard border patrol officers tell me about the gold they've found in the holds of ''refugee'' ships, and I've seen first hand how some ''refugees'' live. We have one living near us who fled a war-torn nation in terror, but oddly went back when a son was charged with drug offences and spent $2 million getting him freed. Wasn't afraid to go back and fight the legal system. And where did the money come from? Lives on welfare, and supported 12 kids on benefits, but surely that wouldn't be enough to save $2 million. Then again, maybe the son was guilty? Might have been a very lucrative family business.

Another is paid to care for her neighbour's 8 kids while her neighbour is paid to care for her 7, and both husbands are unemployed.

Then there's a town down south NSW, where some of my relatives live, where a Muslim mayor has banned school dances and sales of pork in the school canteen.

Maybe you need to stop blaming politicians and open your eyes. Nobody brainwashes me. I form my own opinions, based on what I see and on research I'm able to validate.

Interestingly, I have a large circle of friends who are immigrants who have been here for a long time, and they are the most vocal objectors to welfare for immigrants and refugees. But then, they all came here to assimilate, work and pay taxes - not to bludge.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
6:52pm
Ahh, Rainey is now defending his heroes ... the right wing politicians. His campaign against his "$2 million" wealthy refugees who are living it up in refugee luxury is now in "full on" mode.

Gotta love these radical righties.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
8:46am
You clearly have a major comprehension problem, JimD, or else you don't bother to read before you have your brain fizzes. Get off whatever it is that's causing your delusions and try paying attention for a change. You'll discover that all your wild assumptions are totally incorrect and your insults are completely unjustified. But then, radical lefties never could recognize realities.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
11:51am
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
AutumnOz
22nd Jan 2018
1:04pm
How can this possibly save the government money?
The taxpayers fund the government, the government doesn't put any money in to fund welfare apart from it coming out of any taxes they and other taxpayers pay.

22nd Jan 2018
1:18pm
It's all about keeping black/brown people OUT of Australia ...... it's the White Australia Policy you have when you haven't got a White Australia Policy.

All the old, ancient, radical right, John Howard lovers will love this policy. Yes, they and the dear red haired lady will be jumping for joy.

However there's no alternative government to counter it, because the Labor side is JUST as anti black/brown as the coalition side.

Australia has been going backwards this century in this regard, and continues to do so.
ronnieb
22nd Jan 2018
1:53pm
Thanks JimD, the only informed comment in the entire diatribe from a bunch of populist bigotted Aussies who have no idea what it is like to catch a leaky boat from Vietnam or somehow make their way from war torn Iraq, Syria, Sth Sudan, (and many other countries in African continent), Ukraine, Poland and so on to the land of Oz which is dripping with milk and honey and offers jobs to any able bodied, right minded, basic english speaking person. Though i have been retired for many years i could walk down main street almost anywhere in Australia and get a job so there is no reason other than the attitude of bigots that prevents anybody from doing so.
Our PM and the Sydney tribe from the Australia Institute are so right minded they might fall off the planet if it spun in the other direction.
Triss
22nd Jan 2018
2:26pm
I don’t agree with you, JimD and Ronnie, it’s not about the colour of someone’s skin or being bigoted. This is about keeping Australia and Australians afloat. We do not have infinite resources or money therefore we cannot keep accepting refugees.
Anonymous
22nd Jan 2018
6:12pm
Triss, "keeping Australia afloat" is precisely what the government wants you to "think" it's about. Unfortunately the political reality is it's about 1 thing only ...... getting reelected. And the government, having long since brainwashed Aussies that refugees are a terrorism threat and a financial threat, positively 100% knows that anti refugee policy (as opposed to anti "immigration" policy) will aid in their reelection.

There's many good, decent Aussies who have been brainwashed in this way by right leaning labor/coalition governments. It's very easy for governments to brainwash large parts of populations ...... Vlad Putin who has been an economic disaster for Russia, is extremely popular there because "he" manipulates the narrative. Mao near destroyed China, but was massively popular with many folks there for a very long time because "he" controlled the narrative. Prior to WW2 Hitler was seen as a heroic savior of Germany by the majority of Germans because "he" controlled the narrative.

Since early this century, the "refugee" narrative in Australia has been successfully put in place and controlled by Howard, Abbott, Gillard, Rudd, Turnbull. Refugees are demonised and presented as an economic threat ..... and the result? Higher popularity for the politicians and greater chance of reelection.

Brainwashing populations = greater political success.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
11:14am
The problem I see with that argument, Jim D, is that it seems the majority of Australians think immigration should be reduced significantly and are angry about the welfare extended to recent arrivals and their failure to integrate. And that's despite successive governments continually telling us immigration is good for the nation. I don't think we've been brainwashed on this issue at all. I think the majority have recognized the danger excessive immigration and being overly generous to newcomers presents for Australia.

We are certainly being brainwashed on some issues, though as Joe Hockey correctly noted, social media is making it very difficult for the government to control the circulation of information. Politicians are downright scared of Facebook and YouTube, for good reason.

I've not heard the government demonize refugees or immigrants actually. I've heard them demonize retirees often, and the unemployed, and single mothers. But not refugees or immigrants. On the contrary, they are constantly harping that we are a ''multicultural nation'' and we need to embrace diversity. And they have created programs that actually give preference for jobs to immigrants over Australians. On the other hand, I don't know anybody who can't point to a case they saw first-hand of an immigrant milking our welfare system unfairly. And we've all heard the shouts to ban pork etc., and even to adopt Sharia law. Or are you claiming every one of those media reports is fabricated?
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
11:20am
You know, what fascinates me is that I can't find a single immigrant who came here and WORKED for a living who isn't very vocally opposed to current immigration policies. And most of them don't agree with the handouts to so-called ''refugees'' either, because having fled politically unstable regimes themselves, they know very few are able to do it without resources, and they recall being deeply grateful for the opportunity to have very basic accommodation for a short period and a little help to assimilate and find work. And nothing more!
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
12:30pm
Rainey just proved my point with his 2 above replies. So sad.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
12:58pm
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I think it's time the do-gooders started footing the bills for immigrants and let the rest of us focus on supporting our own. I'm really sick of this crap notion that we owe the whole world a living and the hard working Aussies come last. When the hard working Aussies throw in the towel and stop working, what then? I honestly do not know how they have tolerated the abuse and unfairness for so long.

Nobody gave me ANYTHING when I was poor and homeless. But now I'm supposed to sacrifice the lifestyle I slogged for 50 years to achieve so that immigrants can be given houses and fat welfare cheques and spend their time screaming that my grandkids shouldn't be allowed to eat pork or attend school dances, and so that bludgers, cheats, manipulators and people who spent like drunken sailors can be handed up to $1 million over the course of their retirement, rendering all my years of working and saving totally pointless.

Show me just ONE ''refugee'' who is genuinely doing it harder than I did for 20 years and I MIGHT be tempted to change my views.

Ronnieb, if you can walk down the street and get a job, so can these blow-ins. Let them! Give them what immigrants used to be given - very basic, rough shelter for a few short weeks and some suggestions as to where they might find work. Why are we supporting all these bludgers if work is so easy to find?

In Australia, black and brown-skinned people get preference everywhere. You are not ALLOWED to discriminate against them. But you can sure discriminate against a poor white battler. He has neither legal protection nor special entitlements. So stop with the ''bigot'' crap and recognize reality. I want my money to go to help orphans and people born with major disabilities and people who lose everything in floods or fires, victims of serious crime. Those leaky boats don't seem to leak the gold that's stashed in their holds. And the only poor people on them are those who chose to pay an extortionate fee for passage to ''the land of milk and honey'' where they could rip off an overly generous welfare system.

Triss is right. It's about keeping Australia afloat. We don't have unlimited resources. If we did, we wouldn't need to cut pensions to our own and we wouldn't have a massive national debt.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
1:17pm
Rainey continues to prove my point.
Knows-a-lot
23rd Jan 2018
4:40pm
Best solution: stop ALL immigration and allow only genuine refugees to stay here temporarily.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
6:43pm
Worst solution: stop ALL immigration and allow only genuine refugees to stay here temporarily.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
8:48am
I'll agree, JimD, when YOU FOOT THE COST. Until then, you have no right to lecture those who do.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
11:49am
Here's an economics lesson for our dear little Rainey. Every adult in Australia pays taxes ...100% of the adult population. Governance expenditure (including immigration) is funded by "taxes".

Now I expect Rainey will read that and immediately reply "JimD you communist traitor and lying immigrant lover, how DARE you lie like that. Only hard workers like ME pay taxes, and not you bludging lazy pensioners".

To which I reply "Rainey my dear, please go to the library and read a few books on economics. You'll find that all adults (including pensioners) pay many various government taxes on property, services, goods and many, many other things. The list is a mile long.

So, now that you've been educated that "I" FOOT THE COST .... will you keep your word in your post above when you wrote "I'll agree JimD when YOU FOOT THE COST" ...... or will you (as expected) try to weasel your way out?
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:37pm
JimD, you DO NOT foot the cost, because whatever indirect taxes you pay are paid with pension dollars you first take from the taxpayer. If you are given money and then have to give some of it back, you are still supported.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
3:08pm
HA HA HA.

JimD wrote, "or will you (as expected) try to weasel your way out?".

Prophecy fulfilled.

JimD +10
Rainey -3
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
6:25pm
Not weaselling, JimD. Stating FACT. You DO NOT foot the cost. You only give back to the taxman a tiny portion of what the taxpayer gives you. Sorry if the truth offends you, but leaners shouldn't be attempting to compel lifters to support more leaners. We are supporting enough, thank you.

I'm not opposing immigration responsibly managed to bring in workers with needed skills. And I don't give a hoot what colour someone is or what religion they choose. I'm supporting a policy that restricts handouts to people who come here and don't work and pay taxes. Stop twisting it to abuse and insult.

And to be very clear, I have no issue with pensioners - particularly the aged and disabled or sick. I'd like to see them given more. And I do not like seeing them insulted, offended, or denigrated in any way. But I have a major issue with people who take from the taxpayer and then abuse and insult based on totally false assumptions.

Sadly, you don't have the ability to debate intelligently and courteously, JimD, so I won't respond again to you irrational rantings. But I will continue to promote my ''middle of the road'' views, and your disgustingly rude insults will not silence me.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
8:21pm
Ahh, the words of Adolf Hitler in one of his 1936 speeches "they will not silence me". Like Rainey and the red haired lady, Adolf was only for "right wing politically correct" immigration.
OnlyGenuineRainey
25th Jan 2018
9:06am
JimD wants to bring in a bunch of freeloading radicals, as long as he keeps drawing his pension and the people who pay for it have to support his immigrant friends.
Anonymous
25th Jan 2018
11:28am
Ahhh Cori Bernardi, Tony Abbott, the Keep Australia White Club, Johnny Howard, and the red haired lady would all be proud of their loyal devotee Rainey. Ha ha ha.
sumerluva
22nd Jan 2018
1:32pm
I am 5th generation Australian worked hard, saved and brought my own house and never held my hand out for welfare payments . If i lost a job I simply went out and got another job. I have 5 years left before i will apply for aged pension and I are concerned that down the track there just simply wont be any money left in the system to pay old age pension.
Already pensioners are finding it harder and harder to qualify for payments which they should be entittled to as they have spent most of their lives working and paying taxes. I feel very resentfull that so many immigrants just march on down to Centrelink and expect hand outs. So yes there should be rules put into place that you only qualify if you have been living here for 10 years or more and have worked most of that time. No welfare handouts to immigrants that have just landed here If we went to another country would we get any handouts????
Triss
22nd Jan 2018
2:38pm
It would be difficult to imagine that the OAP would be abolished, Sumerluva. According to the Federal Treasurer the pension costs 3.5% of the GDP and, because of everyone now paying into pension funds, the pension costs will remain about the same for many years.
Bazbee
22nd Jan 2018
1:33pm
Another arrow through the heart of compassion and empathy from a conservative government bent on maintaining the status quo. This forum just seems to be an excuse for 'dinkum Aussies' to pat each other on the back while venting their veiled hatred of refugees who've lost their homes and families to wars and atrocities and who have to start a new life. And this is done from behind the flag of 'patriotism' and the anonymity of the internet. Shameful.
Anonymous
22nd Jan 2018
2:04pm
That's so true Bazbee.

But you'll get no sympathy from the maze of wrinkly, old, radical right whingers here (many of whom vote Labor ..... not just the coalition/red haired lady/Bernardi etc). These righties have a "belief" that they are "entitled" to not just their millions, but also the age pension at the same time (they despise getting merely a "part" pension).

Their heroes Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey, the red haired lady, Cory Bernardi etc etc agree with them, and they feel threatened by those immigrant black/brown people who they insist are taking money away from the rightful "white" owners.
Triss
22nd Jan 2018
2:43pm
Bazbee and JimD, being realistic is not racism.
Anonymous
22nd Jan 2018
6:17pm
That's correct Triss, therefore that why realists like Bazbee and I are not racists.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
8:34am
Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey cut the pension from people who saved and are now left with LESS income as punishment for working hard and being responsible than they would have if they hadn't bothered. Many are now suffering for having worked hard and saved well, which is why people like Big Bear cruise the world for 5 years and give all their money away. Some of us want common sense to prevail by removing the penalties for doing what's good for the nation and encouraging more people to work hard and save responsibly. Then there will be more for the genuinely needy, because there will be lots more earning and paying tax and a lot less like Big Bear, seeing a need to manipulate to avoid being treated unfairly. (And BTW, I don't get even a part pension and I don't want one. I just think it's absurd to punish people for doing what benefits the country.)

It's not lack of compassion, or ''racism'', but rather common sense, to recognize that we have a responsibility to protect our own way of life first and foremost. Seriously, how many who are fleeing in terror have the means to even get to Australia. Border patrol staff tell us the refugee boats are often loaded with gold and diamonds and the people all have elegant clothing and the latest electronic devices.

As to those few who are genuinely fleeing and homeless, recent documentaries have revealed that the worst thing we can do is accept them, because only the strong can flee and they are leaving the weak behind to suffer, when they should be staying to fight. Imagine if Australia fell victim to the terrorist activities and constant fighting that goes on in some countries. Now imagine all who had the capacity to escape took off for foreign shores and lived good lives on charity from other nations. What happens to those left behind because they don't have the resources to get out?

Charity begins at home. We all feel deep sympathy for those who are homeless, hungry, and in danger. But we should not put our own way of life at risk by being foolishly generous. And that's what Australia has been doing - handing out to people without properly validating their claims and letting them simply rort an overly generous system that should be prioritizing help for our own needy.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
12:35pm
Bazbee and JimD are not part of a minority, brainwashed, right wing population who fear refugees.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
1:09pm
Nor are they part of the hardworking, sensible community that understands that we don't have unlimited wealth to throw about indulging people who don't come here to work and earn and pay their way.

How many hours a week do Bazbee and JimD work to contribute to the cost of supporting refugees more generously than we support our own?
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
1:19pm
Ahh the brainwashed right wing really, really, really fear those refugees (who "just happen" to NOT be white people). Hmmm.
Knows-a-lot
23rd Jan 2018
4:41pm
Compassion should begin at home.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
5:48pm
JimD, can you actually debate rationally without falsely accusing people you know nothing about? Your comments are very disrespectful and presumptive, and at least as far as the appear to refer to me TOTALLY WRONG. I have black and brown-skinned people in my immediate family - some immigrants and some native born. And I have nothing but respect and admiration for them, because they work honestly and treat others with respect and they do not make unfair demands that we abandon our customs or traditions, nor that we hand out welfare to them.

I do not ''fear'' anyone, and my objection to immigration is for very valid economic and social reasons and has nothing to do with race or country of origin.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
5:59pm
Absolutely right, Knows-a-lot. If we can't look after our own, we shouldn't be extending charity to others.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
6:41pm
The "us vs them" of the brainwashed righties here doesn't work. Any intelligent person can see through it.

Australia will ALWAYS change. It will NEVER, EVER remain exactly the same. That's ALWAYS been the case, and will ALWAYS remain so.

Immigration has helped to change Australia for the better ..... socially, economically, artistically, scientifically, morally, agriculturally, in business etc etc etc, the list is near endless.

But all the brainwashed righties see is fear and threat and decimation. Yes, the litlle red haired lady just loves these righties. They are prime fodder for brainwashing.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
8:43am
And all these ratbag LEFTIES just want to run us further and further into debt handing out to all and sundry, and who pays for it? Oh, that's right! The same people the LEFTIES abuse and insult.

Yes, Australia has changed - and not for the better lately. We have a massive national debt, declining living standards (for the first time in centuries), gross inequality, and significant social discontent.

Some of us MIDDLE people want to exercise some common sense and try to remedy some of the problems. But the brainwashed left continue to swallow the BS that we have unlimited resources and it's ''fair'' to steal what the workers earn and give it away, and expect them to keep working for no reward.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
11:30am
Ha ha ha, incredibly HILARIOUS.

Our dear Rainey has spent months and months here denying that he's a rightie.Then he writes his above post.

And that's after writing the following quote yesterday "'LEFTIES' ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY WITH THEIR COMMUNIST AGENDA".
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:31pm
That's right. I'm neither a ''rightie'' nor a ''leftie''. I'm in the middle.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
3:05pm
That's correct dear Rainey, you are in the **MIDDLE** of the radical right. The little red haired lady would absolutely love you.
neil
22nd Jan 2018
2:45pm
The vileness of most of the comments on this subject reveals the ugliness at the heart of the people inhabiting Australia; I wonder if Australians will ever become true citizens of this world we all live on.

Neil.
Kathleen
22nd Jan 2018
5:12pm
Yep. We are global citizens now. People can travel and communicate online to almost anywhere.
That should close the gap and mindset of us and them.
Seadove
22nd Jan 2018
5:28pm
What a strange comment. Sure there are a lot of us who disagree with the immigration policy and there are reasons why. Why is it you only ever hear politicians saying "we are the most successful multicultural country in the world!" I've never heard anyone in the streets say it or any of my friends or colleagues. The governments of the past and present are the ones causing all the problems we are having in this country by bringing in endless numbers of migrants/refugees. We have a finite water supply and they can't even get the Murray/Darling problem solved with all the greedy bastards pulling water out to make money and Barnaby Joyce turning a blind eye. The planet is heating up and crops are going to be harder and harder to produce but let's bring in more of the world population to deplete our resources even further and pay them handsomely to boot. Will other countries around the world welcome us to their borders when we run out of water and are dying from lack of food as they will be. Will your so called citizens of the world offer to help us then? You have to look after your own country first and if dictators/despots around the world choose not to look after their own citizens and prefer to wage war, I do not think it is the responsibility of Australia to do it for them. People of those countries need to rise up and change things for themselves and it could start with changing their societies to be secular as it is those countries that seem to be having all the problems and looking for alternatives. I know I would rather see all the taxes I paid over my working life go to looking after our own elderly before anyone else.
Triss
22nd Jan 2018
8:38pm
Good comment, Seadove. Regardless of humanity and compassion it’s not in the refugees’ interest to pack them into a country that hasn’t got enough resources to sustain them.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:39am
Spot on, Seadog!

Neil, would you starve your own children to feed those of the neighbour down the street who spent his days in street fights?

We all feel sorry for the victims of political unrest and religious stupidity in foreign countries, but if we keep allowing so-called refugees (and many are not even genuine) and hoards of immigrants to come in and collect welfare, we will BECOME one of those nations that people are fleeing from.

What's intriguing to me is that all these do-gooders who want us to be ''good global citizens'' fail to acknowledge that the nations immigrants are coming from would never let us migrate there, let alone pay us welfare to live there or tolerate us screaming for them to change their customs and traditions to suit us foreign migrants.

Charity begins at home, and we are not caring adequately for our own needy. They should be our priority.

Besides, Neil, recent documentaries revealed that it's causing great harm to allow refugees to flee their country because the only hope for these nations is for those who disagree with the political regime to stand up and fight for what they believe in. Only the strong can run, and they are leaving the weak behind helpless and suffering. In many cases, it's men running - leaving their women and children behind.
Triss
23rd Jan 2018
8:50am
Yes, Rainey, that’s been proved by the boatloads of unaccompanied males hitting our shores.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
12:42pm
In many cases it's women and children running - leaving their men and old parents behind.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
1:04pm
The genuinely needy don't bludge on welfare. They find jobs and work. They won't be the least bit concerned by the legislative changes. It will only affect the bludgers and cheats and those who come here to milk our system unfairly and dishonestly.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
1:25pm
"those who come here to milk our system unfairly and dishonestly" ....... Rainey's way of saying keep those blacks/brown skins OUT of Australia.
Knows-a-lot
23rd Jan 2018
4:46pm
JimD - Keep ALL immigrants/refugees out; black, brown, yellow etc. skin-colour.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
5:29pm
JimD, I resent your offensive implication. You don't know me, and you don't know my views on people of other races. You are very wrong, as it happens. I don't care what colour a person is. I do care how they live and what burden they impose on Australian taxpayers.
Triss
23rd Jan 2018
5:59pm
Actually, JimD, you seem to be the only one who’s hung up on skin colour, I don’t think anyone else has mentioned skin colour in relation to the latest rules.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
6:30pm
I did not say Rainey is "conscious" of the racial element within what he wrote. He (and others here) have been VERY successfully brainwashed by the radical right to fear immigrants and refugees. The right is driven by the old "white Australia" ethics that reject all other cultures and embrace only what's perceived by them as "our" separate culture, and skin colour plays a big part in their association of them vs us.

Many righties like some here don't comprehend that association, others do. They are all victims of very successful brainwashing.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
9:04pm
JimD, I am neither 'brainwashed'' nor 'right wing''. And I am certainly not ''racist'' or a ''bigot''. I just have a hell of a lot more common sense and intelligence than some. Instead of ranting at others with insults that are totally baseless, why not try to come up with some logical and rational comment? Just because someone disagrees with your view doesn't make them stupid, bigoted, or brainwashed. It just might be that they are actually RIGHT. Certainly a lot here agree with my point of view.

Triss is right. You are the only one hung up on skin colour, and you've run off with wild baseless assumptions and claimed the right to insult others based on those assumptions. You are being very offensive.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
9:24pm
Neil .... what you say only applies to "some" Aussies, the ones who have been thoroughly brainwashed by our many right leaning politicians. There's many, many open minded Aussies who accept people from different cultures and welcome them and don't insist that they become 100% slaves to only "our" culture. Every culture in existence is a mixture of many different cultures. That's a good thing.

Kathleen, yep we are all global citizens. In a peaceful, tolerant world it's not one culture vs another culture. The modern internet era has opened up more good cultural communication, but it has also opened up a communication space for the haters in our society who insist on cultural "purity" and who see cultural change as the "enemy vs us".

It will take many more hundreds of years of human progress before the haters are slowly weeded out via education and intellectual progress ..... maybe even a few thousand more years. Progress of this type has always been slow. Our species is very flawed.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
7:03am
Funny how the ''good global citizens'' are the ones who contribute nothing to the cost of supporting blow-ins, but are themselves dependant on the public purse. It's easy to spend someone else's money, isn't it? And then, having spent our hard-earned dollar, some turn around and insult us with false accusations. Sad!
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
11:20am
Rainey, calm down, relax, have a nice cup of tea .... believe it or not all those evil horrific Satanic shocking socialists/refugees/Commies/immigrants/blow-ins/ are not personally plotting against "you". Really, truly.
Bugger
22nd Jan 2018
3:24pm
Funny that I just got a printout this week from my super fund that states " There are exceptions to the rule if you are a refugee" for the Residency Requirements just about sums it up
Joy Anne
22nd Jan 2018
3:49pm
Does this include refugees also. If not then this is definitely not what Australians want. This needs to be extended to refugees also, why should the govt give Australian taxpayers money to refugees. THIS MUST BE EXTENDED TO REFUGEES ALSO. Not one rule for everyone else except Refugees
Bazbee
23rd Jan 2018
7:02pm
Of course it does Joy Anne. The legislation is the brainchild of the vile Dutton and Morrison and is directly aimed at refugees so it's all ok-you can sleep soundly at night.
Knows-a-lot
22nd Jan 2018
4:55pm
"A Department of Social Services spokesperson said the changes were intended to prevent taxpayers from having to support migrants who arrive just prior to retirement age or who have spent their time in Australia receiving income support, such as Newstart."

Yet another reason to stop ALL immigration. I'm sick of my country being raped.
Not Senile Yet!
22nd Jan 2018
6:03pm
Lose the Pop Ads that refuse to be removed life choices or lose your customers like lightning.
As for the changes ...they are welcome...should have done that 10yrs ago!
But the 19 million saved should go to the Real Aussie Aged Pensioners ti lift the Pension above The Poverty Line IMMEDIATELY!
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:25am
''But the 19 million saved should go to the Real Aussie Aged Pensioners to lift the Pension above The Poverty Line IMMEDIATELY! ''

I agree, Not Senile Yet, but it won't happen. It will be another 19 million wasted on absurd extravagances, while this vile government continues to bleat about aged pensions costing too much.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
8:13am
Actually, Not Senile Yet, that was $119 million. And I don't consider that a ''modest'' saving at all. It's enough to give every age pensioner in Australia an extra $50 per year approximately. Now if you excluded all who have any other income additional to the aged pension, there would be enough to make a significant difference to the poorest. And that's only one of the possible productive uses of money that should never have been spent supporting immigrants who didn't come her to work and contribute.
Triss
23rd Jan 2018
8:55am
Whenever the government cuts any kind of benefit you can guarantee the money saved will be shunted into politicians’ extra benefits and salary raises.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
7:16pm
Not Senile Yet, the age pension is plenty to live on. It was only ever designed as a safety net and serves that purpose very well indeed. There's only 1 problem with that though ...."rent" ..... for pensioners who rent then the age pension is not nearly enough.

I think that rent assistance should be markedly increased; currently it is at a maximum of $65 per week. After rent assistance is increased an age pensioner shouldn't have to pay more than $100 per week in rent. A single pensioner gets just under $450 a week pension money, so that would leave $350 per week to live on after rent is paid and rent assistance applied. It's possible to live a dignified, basic life on that.

Yes, increased rent assistance would make the lives of many pensioners MUCH better.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
9:21pm
Yep. Take more from those who busted their guts for 50 years to contribute to the nation and hand it to people who didn't bother to plan ahead. What about a rates subsidy? That would make the lives of many retirees MUCH better.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
9:36pm
Ha ha ha ha. We now have to inform our dear Rainey that a "rate subsidy" is ..... wait for it ..... yes it's true folks ...... **ALREADY** available for eligible age pensioners. Ha ha ha.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
7:00am
A pittance, JimD, and only for pensioners. Not for those who bust their gut to avoid drawing on the public purse. They pay more for everything, while supporting those who get handouts and pay less. And then some of those they support presume the right to insult and abuse them.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
11:14am
Rainey now implies he wants the government to support him with "rate subsidies". Ahh, Rainey is now switching over from rightie to socialist. Ha ha.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:35pm
I did not imply any such thing, JimD. I simply corrected your incorrect statement.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
3:02pm
Rainey's own words ... "What about a rates subsidy? That would make the lives of many retirees MUCH better.".

Ha ha, Rainey's a socialist when it "suits" him.
OnlyGenuineRainey
26th Jan 2018
10:25am
Not a socialist, JimD. Just don't see why people who worked hard and saved well should be punished with less income and higher costs that those who didn't. How are we ever going to increase productivity if we punish people for contributing to it?
Anonymous
26th Jan 2018
12:18pm
Not giving comfortably off people like Rainey subsidies and "full" pensions (people who think they are "entitled" in life once they gather their wealth) is NOT "punishment". It's "paying your way in life".

"Some" of them (the whingers) are not happy with their million dollar homes, their hundreds of thousands up to millions of dollars in savings and super, their nice cars, their cruises .... nope they consider themselves underprivileged and "punished", and demand government subsidies and "full" age pensions. Such behaviour speaks for itself. They are a "minority" of whingers ..... most nicely off people are grateful that chance had them born at a time in history and in a country like Australia, which enabled them to build their wealth (mostly via investment in property/stock exchange over a long period).

Most nicely off people fully appreciate their opportunities, luck, hard work, help, education etc etc. There will always be a handful of these comfortably off people (a tiny minority of them) who always want more , more, more and resent not being gifted government subsidies and "full" age pensions.
OnlyGenuineRainey
27th Jan 2018
8:01am
What crap, JimD. I paid my way in life, ten times over - working my guts out for peanuts and paying far too much tax every time I earned enough to put a decent meal on the table, because unlike some I had no means of reducing my tax obligations with CGT, negative gearing, superannuation tax concessions, and all the other rorts. I was too busy battling keeping a roof over my kids' heads and food on the table and paying my child's medical bills to invest. I saved later in life, when the kids had grown, by continuing to live frugally and to work long hours.

You really have a strange perspective. Most people who work and save HAVE PAID THEIR WAY. It's the bludgers and spendthrifts and manipulators who haven't. But it's the bludgers and spendthrifts and manipulators who get pensions. And its the bludgers and spendthrifts and manipulators who want to screw workers and savers so there is nothing for the genuinely needy and the economy collapses. How irresponsible!

I am very happy with my lot in life and I have said repeatedly that I don't want a pension. The last thing I want is to have to deal with Centrelink! But I want what's good for the nation, and taking what people worked hard for to give to people who didn't is NOT GOOD FOR THE NATION. It's dumb and destructive and it will hurt the poorest most in the end. (Actually, I think it already is!)

Those who are complaining now are angry that the people who worked hardest and contributed most to the nation are the people who are disadvantaged in later life and denied the reward they planned, worked and saved to achieve. The irresponsible just want to deny anyone else anything so there's more for them. The manipulators don't want the system changed because they are getting around it and laughing.

If you hear someone complaining, you can be fairly confident they worked damned hard, paid far more than ''their way'', went without to save, but are too ethical and honest to manipulate to get what the system says they shouldn't have. And therefore, you can be very certain they ARE being unfairly punished for doing what's good for the country.
Anonymous
27th Jan 2018
11:44am
Thanks so much Mr abusive Rainey for proving my point with your reply (and you didn't even realise it).
OnlyGenuineRainey
28th Jan 2018
4:57pm
There's that comprehension problem again!
Anonymous
29th Jan 2018
12:26pm
Once again Rainey proves my point. Lovely.
JayUK
22nd Jan 2018
6:04pm
I was reading that the Indian community campaigned for the new temporary parent visa which is to be brought in soon but are not happy with its rules.

'The new parent visa which is yet to pass the parliament, will allow migrants to seek a three year visa for their parents for $5000, a five year visa for $10,000 and a ten year visa for $20,000. As many as 15,000 people each year will be granted these visas which could deliver hundreds-of-millions in visa fees to the government. Along with visa fees, children will have to bear the financial burden of healthcare for migrant parents, with sponsors legally required to pay for their private health insurance.'
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
7:23am
That's a start, but surely they should have to support them financially in old age. Why should the Australian taxpayer be responsible for paying pensions to Indians brought here by their children?
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
12:46pm
The brainwashed Aussie right wing minority just want to keep as many "brown skins" as possible OUT of Australia.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
1:00pm
I've never been ''right wing'' and I love brown skins. I just want the Australian economy to be healthy. You want to feed immigrants, you pay the cost. Don't expect me to foot the bill.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
1:30pm
Immigrants feed Australia ..... NOT the other way round.

Why?

Because immigration has been economically BENEFICIAL to Australia.
Knows-a-lot
23rd Jan 2018
4:48pm
"Because immigration has been economically BENEFICIAL to Australia."

Has it? It's also certainly the case that immigration has been (and is now even more so) a sociological DISASTER to Australia.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
5:27pm
Immigration WAS good for Australia, but that was in the days when immigrants were required to assimilate and work. Immigration is NOT serving us well now that immigrants are pulling welfare.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
6:19pm
Immigration WAS good for Australia, and that was in the days when immigrants were required to assimilate and work. Immigration IS STILL serving us well now because immigrants are STILL pressured to assimilate and work. There's many current assimilation and work programmes solidly in place.

The radical right wing has been brainwashed into believing that is not so. Why? Because it aids the pro white Australia bigots. If all immigrants were educated, white skinned, from England/USA and believed in the "Christian" Sky Daddy the bigots would welcome them all with open arms.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
8:59pm
What utter garbage, JimD. Who do you think you are passing judgment on others and calling them ''bigots'', all based on ASSUMPTIONS that have no validity whatever?

Immigration is NOT serving us well, because we are handing out way too much in welfare to bludgers. Work programs aren't working well enough. That is statistical fact.
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
9:08pm
Immigration is wonderful and is one of Australia's proudest achievements, and continues it's massive success to this very day.

"Most" of us are proud of our "real" Australia. "Some" of us are proud only of a past "white" Australia.
OnlyGenuineRainey
23rd Jan 2018
9:20pm
You didn't answer, JimD. How many hours a week do you work to support immigrants - and other welfare recipients for that matter?
You are very quick to condemn those who are paying the bills!
Anonymous
23rd Jan 2018
9:32pm
Ahhh, now it's revealed it's not just immigrants that dear Rainy is afraid of - he's now lumping "other welfare recipients" under the "enemy" tag too. Ahhh, the radical right. Ha ha.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
6:58am
Wrong again, JimD. I just resent people biting the hand that feeds them. Show some gratitude for a change. Have some respect for the people who pay your way. I don't have enemies or fear. I'm just disgusted as people who live off my hard work dishing out insults based on incorrect assumptions.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
11:10am
Rainey has just admitted he's resentful and disgusted.

Maybe one day he'll find happiness, and finally come to realise how lucky he is.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:26pm
Maybe someday you'll learn some manners. JimD. I've given up on your acquiring any common sense, much less gratitude. You are extraordinarily presumptuous and rude, and you know absolutely nothing about me so you have no idea whether I am ''lucky' or not. In fact, you don't even know whether I'm male or female. You just make wild assumptions. I found happiness a very long time ago, and I'm very contented, thank you. I am just disgusted with people who live off my hard work and dish out insults based on their wrong assumptions.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
2:59pm
JimD, how DARE you have a different opinion than dear Rainey. Because you don't agree with him you twit, that means you have no common sense and no gratitude. It also means you are rude, you ignoramus. No wonder he's disgusted with you, you insulting idiot with wrong assumptions.

Now, reform yourself, start believing what dear Rainey believes and always agree with her ...... you disgraceful commie leftie.
floss
22nd Jan 2018
7:13pm
Seadove what a good comment right on the money.
Cowboy Jim
28th Jan 2018
9:14am
Seadove does not say much but what he says is well thought out and
spot on. Looking back to the 60s: I had to have a clean police report, see a Aust. Govt. appointed doctor in Europe to get a health clearance to come here. Now everybody thinks its their right to lob
into the place and get on Centrelink. We had information session about the culture and modus operandi of the new country and what was expected of us. We WERE expected to become new Aussies and not a word was ever said about multi-culti stuff. And we all fitted in,
possibly retained an accent but so what, we made a contribution. And
I love it here still. Just wish our new arrivals would have the same attitude.
professori_au
22nd Jan 2018
9:02pm
If the government plans this it needs to bring into line and pensions, perks etc. that politicians receive over and above whatever any other Australian receives. that would save the government much more money over a period. superannuation entitlements should not be available until the standard retirement age as applies to us. This policy does not appear to account for the contributions from tax that were original intended to pay the pensions. Instead greedy government have dipped into the funds and the funds have been mismanaged by so-called fund manager. There has been no government guarantee for the security of moneys paid into super schemes.
MD
23rd Jan 2018
9:10pm
We've witnessed both major & minor immigration periods when the new arrivals have come with hope in their heart for a better life. That so many of these folk have contributed positively to their adopted country is borne out by the multi-cultural, cosmopolitan mix of so many aspects of our daily lives, a good deal of which and now being commonplace is largely taken fore-granted. So many new foods (particularly) have been introduced which thankfully have relieved us from the tired and true (yet mundane) 'meat & three veg'.
Whilst so many of these folk arrived here full of apprehension yet keen for a new start they have, by positive application, over come their fears, embraced their adopted society and contributed immensely.
Certainly there have been exceptions where minorities may have exploited their adopted country and yet both good and bad exist in every race: where we're prepared to turn a blind eye to our fellow countryman for some little peccadillo, lookout the new chum that tries it on.
Australia, ie the people - our thinking, outlook and attitude - have been enriched by the mix of introduced nationalities and will continue to be further blessed by welcoming new arrivals.
It is imperative that a sound policy to vet prospective immigrants which weeds out economic rent seekers is enforced. The proposed measures go some way to addressing this need and this issue may need greater consideration looking ahead.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
7:38am
Just to set the record straight, since JimD is making a lot of insulting assumptions about me:

I have sponsored ''brown skinned'' immigrants into this country - a couple of skilled, hard working gentlemen who contribute positively and have never been dependant on the public purse.

I have brown and black-skinned people in my immediate family and I love them dearly. They are hard-working, clean, living, decent, ethical and POLITE.

I work closely with a yellow-skinned immigrant - one who brought his aged mother out here. I have nothing but respect and admiration for him because he worked very hard and he didn't bring his mother out until he was able to fully support her. She never drew one cent from the public purse either for living costs or health care. His grandmother did draw an aged pension, but she migrated before he did and put in 40 years working very hard and paying taxes, and she partly supported him while he went to school (He also worked part time). Not one of his family was an unfair burden on the taxpayer.

I have dozens of immigrant friends who I respect and admire - people from all countries and of all races.

I support very heavy restrictions on immigration to protect our economy and avoid the strain overpopulation would place on our natural resources, and I strongly object to any immigrant trying to impose cultural change on our society.

I believe immigrants should have to assimilate, learn English, and work. And I strongly support the Government's policy as outlined here, but I don't think it goes far enough. We have too many people living on the public purse and too few working to support them, and the result is that many who work hard are suffering gross inequity in that they are not permitted, under a very flawed system, to enjoy fair reward for their endeavours - but have to forfeit their earnings to benefit people who don't work and save. And that's WRONG.

And finally, I am neither left wing nor right, but I despise those who claim the right to live off other people's earnings and then accuse their supporters of envy or greed. I am a strong supporter of socialism in it's proper form - i.e. progressive taxation that enables generous provision of public services and a strong security net to ensure the disadvantaged are cared for. And I believe in a universal aged pension because I think the very best motivation to work and contribute to national growth is the promise of a comfortable retirement at an age when freedom and leisure can be enjoyed.

JimD, some of us think beyond the limited scope the radical left wing promote and actually consider the wider economic and social implications of policies. And this policy - unlike most this incompetent government has put forward - has merit. Applauding it does NOT make anyone racist, bigoted, or any less a ''good global citizen''. It's only fault is that it doesn't go nearly far enough.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
12:28pm
Here's the *TRUTH* folks. The following are the words of Rainey in battle mode. Not my words, "Rainey's" words:

Here's what Rainey has recently written:

"LEFTIES ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY WITH THEIR COMMUNIST AGENDA. I am sick to death of these whining lefties. The sick and disabled ... but there are not too many of them. You need to stop blaming politicians. I can't find a single immigrant who came here and worked. Just show me one refugee who is genuinely doing it harder than me. All these ratbag lefties. We shouldn't be extending charity to others. Boats are full of refugees, and their gold and diamonds and cash is thoroughly mind boggling."


Yep, our dear Rainey and the red haired lady are solidly together as one.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
2:18pm
Deleted part of it again, JimD. Selectively quoting to mislead. That's LYING. But yes, Lefties ARE ruining this country with the Communist agenda. And when you find me an refugee who did it harder than I did, I'll agree he/she should be supported - even though I wasn't! I stand by everything I said. Sad that JimD is so indoctrinated with the leftie propaganda that he can't grasp reality.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
2:53pm
Oh deary me, that horrid JimD is a commie LIAR who's utterly indoctrinated by Kim Jong-un, and he's part of a commie/leftie conspiracy to LIE, LIE, LIE about our dear, sweet, perfect Rainey. Let's waterboard that Satanic, evil JimD and then party with the divine Almighty Red Haired Lady.
OnlyGenuineRainey
24th Jan 2018
6:09pm
Get off whatever you are swallowing, JimD. It's messing with your head big time.
Anonymous
24th Jan 2018
8:14pm
Love and kisses Rainey darling xoxoxoxox
SheppartonMIss
24th Jan 2018
12:53pm
Just read thru the comments and agree if you are a born & bred Ozzie this won't impact on you. Plus if the government were more careful WHO they gave benefits to and for how long, they might have more funds for aged pensioners who have contributed by paying taxes all of their working lives.
dolbt60
25th Jan 2018
3:18pm
A Department of Social Services spokesperson said the changes were intended to prevent taxpayers from having to support migrants who arrive just prior to retirement age or who have spent their time in Australia receiving income support, such as Newstart

So if passed in July 2018 my Wife who has Permanent residence since 2013 was on Newstart now she is 66 years old and no Newstart or aged pension I was told that the new residency period would apply only to new migrants in 2018 this would mean 10 year waiting period to 2023 I am not too sure about the above statement states Newstart payments that have been paid etc this would mean existing migrants have to wait like my Wife to wait until 2028 can anyone verify this for me ?
HDRider
26th Jan 2018
12:18pm
Theres a couple of bitter n twisted peeps here with little else to do I reckon lmao
Anonymous
26th Jan 2018
2:18pm
Yes Rainey and Rainey are disgraceful. oxoxoxoxox
ex PS
29th Jan 2018
9:57am
I can remember trying to get our Grandmother out here in the eighties, despite assurances that four households all related to her would take on full responsibility for her financial and health care the application was refused.
I know this was decades ago, but if the same rules apply, the occasion of an elderly person coming to this country to live off our social services could not occur. Or in the case of a British citisen, they would bring their Pension Entitlement with them.
Is this another government beat up, the sole intention being for them to look tough in the eyes of their camp followers.
ice-cold
29th Jan 2018
6:31pm
for a Start ANYBODY coming to this Great Country MUST BE Physically fit &have a trade/work that can be Utillised so as to not have to ask for Monetary Handout & are willing to learn English & Abide by our Rules & living standards & Laws
Otherwise don't come looking for Handouts & all that go with It !!!
Kiki
16th Feb 2018
8:30am
Manipulation of the welfare system has to stop somewhere and what better way than to ensure those who migrate are able to support themselves. We need more people who can work and look after themselves instead of being reliant on the already overburdened welfare system. I think the Government should look after aged Australians better instead of tossing money to migrants and alleged refugees like lollies.
SteveInMelbourne
16th Feb 2018
12:53pm
My wife who will have been an Austrlian citizen for 38 when she gets to retirement age will not be elligable for a pension.. This is because that for both work reasons, ie we both could not get work here in the late 90's anbd got good jobs in the UK where we stayed for 10 years.
My wife also has had to spend considerable time in the UK for familly illness reasons so now we are in this situation whereby she will have never had a full 10 year stint in Australia, however will have lived here for 23 or more years and worked for perhaps 18 of those years and never on any centrelink payments.
If this is the case then we will both be exiled from Australia. It would not be worth while living here
Does anyone know when this will go to the Senate? and if so which senators will be involved with reading it etc?
GrayComputing
28th Feb 2018
1:19pm
NO MORE ASSET TESTS FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
Are we all a bunch of lame ducks and frightened sheep that take all this Government's Centre-Link nonsense without picking up a phone or texting your MP and say enough is enough?
Tell your MP to legislate to get rid of pension assets tests (for ever) or he/she are out of a job at the next election
NO MORE ASSET TESTS FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
Suddha
7th Mar 2018
5:45pm
Agree completely with the new rules. If you sponsor a migrant you should have to bear the full costs of looking after them including medical bills. I also believe they should stop migration all together until this country can properly look after its own pensioners.
retroy
8th Mar 2018
3:05pm
Anonymous aka JimD can I ask you a question or two?
Do you work hard at being obnoxious and offensive, or has it always come to you naturally?
Are you always so jealous of what others have, however they got it, be it by hard work, or by good luck?
Bribri
12th Apr 2018
7:16pm
I think people who came to Australia never mind how long and refuse point blank to become Australian Citizen. Then moved to Canada more then 12 years ago. Hardly worked in Australia, recives a pension from the Uk. She comes back to Australia may be every 2 years for 3 months get her kids to send her medications from Australia to Canada also if she needs a knee operation she travels over to have it here. Also for eye operations. In Canada she lives with a Canadian boyfriend. I really believe That is wrong and cheating the Australian Government. No wonder they are not getting anywhere. Things have to change if you are not proud to become an Australian. You should not take the Australians money.
Hairy
13th Apr 2018
11:59am
I have been reading all these comments,first I’m not a racist. Second you all hedge round P.C.Third let’s just say it,Moslems are and always will be a problem,Their ideals there beliefs and their integration does not work in any country of the world.They kill each other in their own country for slight differences of Muslim ideology,Tell me how does this goverment expect them to react in our country ,only fools and the blind to reason would think it would work.
Radish
21st Apr 2018
6:51pm
Won't bother me at all as I get no help from government anyway.
eggles01
22nd Apr 2018
4:12pm
I totally agree with the government on this move,too many migrants and especially the so- called queue jumping refugees offering nothing what so ever to our country Australia,the majority of those refugees only came to Australia to see what they could get out of our country,it is about time that ALL AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENTS should only give them exactly what they would receive if they stayed in their country they came from,of cause that would not work because of our countries unionism,wages go up the cost of living goes up,they should receive a fortnightly allowance and receive vouchers for the necessities of life like food,clothing etc at least this way would see that the money would be spent in Australia building the Australian economy,I would love to know just how much of the welfare amount paid each fortnight stayed in Australia and how much was sent out to other countries of the world,I often think about the Australian military personal and other countries military that went and fought and died for for the freedom of these refugees countries, at least every single male around 18 yrs to 30 yrs should have been trained and sent back to fight beside our men and women and those of other friendly countries,maybe if that was put into practice a large chunk of of our crime problems that we now suffer would not exist, in reality many many things need to be changed or our Australia will eventually become another war zone.
CoogeeGuy
28th May 2018
11:48am
I am of the opinion the new rules are entirely fair and reasonable.
the system sucks
12th Jul 2018
12:39am
I am still upset that we lose the government concession card when we hit retirement age. I worked very hard after my divorce, built my super up to $500000, had 3 jobs and went without holidays, my kids missed out also.
Is there any way we can get a concession card when we retire.


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