Election 2016: Older voters hold the power

Who will decide the outcome of this year’s Federal Election?

Election 2016: Older voters hold the power

Who will decide the outcome of this year’s Federal Election? 

According to data from the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC), people aged 65 years and older constitute 22 per cent of the electorate, while voters aged 18 to 24 make up just 10.6 per cent.

In terms of votes, this means Australia’s older population holds the most power when it comes to political sway. This influence may help to explain why particular topics, such as aged care, national security and the backlash against the Coalition’s reduced superannuation tax concessions, figure so significantly in the political campaigning, rather than issues that affect young people, such as higher education.

Baby boomers might have the voting numbers but, despite stereotypes, young Australians are increasingly giving their attention to political matters.

AEC research suggests that younger voters (18–24) are more in touch socially and politically than previous generations (think climate change and same-sex marriage). However, there will be just over 1.5 million voters who will head to the polls in July that fall into that age bracket, and a further 350,000 who will be missing because they failed to enrol to vote.

So, on 2 July, the 1.5 million voters who fall within the 18–24 age bracket will go up against 3.4 million Australians who are 65 and over. And this trend appears likely to continue, with AEC data showing that older Australians are ‘out-growing’ the younger generation by a ratio of more than four to one.

What this information reveals is that the outcome of Election 2016 may not be based solely on policy or personal popularity; it will be purely a numbers game. And since older Australians represent the largest proportion of voters, this game will play in their favour, making it all the more important that the issues that affect older Australians are put to the fore.

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    phantom
    9th Jun 2016
    10:30am
    We can make a difference. Vote Shorten and we will be broke in 4 years, no pensions like Greece. They are both idiots but "Shortonbrains" is going to be an economical disaster. He is out to buy your votes but either way, it has to be paid for.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:22am
    The obvious message from the government. Tell 'em lies, run a propaganda campaign and try and scare them.
    Not working Frank. People are awake to you. The days of this government are numbered.
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    11:40am
    Yes at least 1095 days.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:51am
    Next troll at work but you are wrong. This government is headed for a loss. The only question is by how much.
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    12:05pm
    Betting odds are getting shorter for the LNP Mick.

    LNP 1.28
    ALP 3.80
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    12:16pm
    I made you a wager previously Bronny. You rejected it.
    particolor
    9th Jun 2016
    5:08pm
    I want to be there to count EVERY vote !! :-) I don't care if I'm there for a Year or two !! By looking at recent votes around the world Lately I'm no convinced that Sensible people voted that Way :-( :-(
    tia-maria
    9th Jun 2016
    6:31pm
    for the ones who think your be better off under the Liberal I say god help us??????????........I say give the Labor party leadership for the full term before making an opinion............BUT remember our politicians are only in the game for one self...........

    Not one of them offer anything to us retired pensioners.........that makes me bloody mad.........family and schools is their main a gender.........I say what about us.?????the retired pensioners
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    6:46pm
    Over 90% of voters are not retired pensioners so why offer them anything. They also know that old dogs will vote in this election like they have done all their lives. Not many votes in that.

    LNP will win both houses on July 2. Sportsbet can't be that wrong and have shortened the odds on a LNP victory.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    7:44pm
    Desperation Bronny. This government is on the nose and it will lose the election. I hear retirees starting to object to the bastards who think they own the game. They don't.
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    8:00pm
    Less than 10% of voters are retirees Mick so not much hope there of changing things.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:29am
    Young people and working mother who remember the Paid Parental Leave lie from Abbott are not exactly supporters of this morally corrupt government.
    Put whatever spin on it you like but this government is gone!
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:38am
    But not for another 1095 days at least.
    maxchugg
    10th Jun 2016
    1:19pm
    Mick, what about "There will be no carbon tax under the government that I lead?"

    Remember the joke "How do you know if a politician is lying? Answer: "Check to see if his (or her) lips are moving."

    However, 10% of voters all swinging in the one direction could determine the outcome of the election.

    I remain with my policy of voting for the Libs in the Reps and Labor in the Senate. I know that if the government does not have control of the Senate their work will be that much harder, requiring more care to be taken to ensure that their legislation is at least fair and reasonable. Everyone on a low income would be grateful to the Senate for protecting them from the Hockey budget.

    Hopefully, in controlling the Senate, Labor might come to appear human and responsible, thereby raising their chances of winning the subsequent election.
    Mez
    10th Jun 2016
    2:24pm
    Bonny, I read recently somewhere that approx. 44% of the voting electorate are OVER 50 yrs of age so our votes are very important and the pollies will have to come to the party if they want to win.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    3:54pm
    I don't think these people are going to be that wrong so It's looking like a LNP win.

    http://www.oddschecker.com.au/politics/australian-politics/australian-federal-election/winning-party
    Steff
    9th Jun 2016
    10:37am
    Regarding putting pensioner and aged issues in the spotlight in this election
    The silence from all the pensioner interest groups is deafening
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:23am
    One has to wonder if retirees are going to do as they are told or actually vote in their interests. It is frightening. We'll all see shortly.
    FM
    9th Jun 2016
    11:28am
    Yes Jeff we have not cut through at all. We have no representation. The Media totally ignore us or disparage us, the smh particularly. I have written to National Seniors to ask them to do something. I don't know what we can do. It seems you have to pay for advertising, have a demo or pull a public stunt to get noticed.
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    11:42am
    Pensioners are just going to do what they have always done. Old habit are difficult to break.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:52am
    That is the worry Bronny and that is why we all need to talk to other retirees and convince them to use their vote for the right purpose. In this case to get rid of the worst government in living memory.
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    12:03pm
    I'm going to address a group of them later today Mick.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    12:17pm
    I'll be putting out copies of Kaye's article so mislead the poor old dears as much as you like.
    Scrivener
    9th Jun 2016
    2:55pm
    Look up, 'habituation'. I'm habituated to the lies, the pain, the constant demeaning of older Australians, being taken for granted, being misread by the rude 'wet-behind-the-ears' children of our children who want it all 'now'. My friends are dying off around me and death is not all that unappealing. But the government has taken my dignity as well by forcing me to present myself to Centrelink where it is guaranteed I will be humiliated by some demi-god of a bureaucrat. It's how the bland grey Centrelink workforce 'get off' for the thankless work they do. Who will I vote for - whomever promises to disrupt this current bunch of lunatics - megalomaniacs all of them.
    Sceptic
    9th Jun 2016
    3:40pm
    Worse Government in living memory MICK? guess that you do not remember Whitlam, Rudd and Gillard.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    5:24pm
    You are talking about governments which achieved something other than send money to the rich. And before you run the normal government propaganda about spending and high debt I draw you back to two FACTS:

    1. GFC!
    2. Coalition has almost triple the deficit and run up new debt of $100 billion in 3 years. The only way to fix the deficit the current morally deficient government came up with is to tax average Australians and send the money to the wealthy.

    Tell me about previous governments! You do not have a leg to stand on as you preach the lies.
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    6:25pm
    Was talking to a group of older people this afternoon and they feel that Labor is just spend, spend, spend with no worry about further increasing our debt. All agreed things could be better but it's better the devil they know instead of one they have big concerns about.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    7:46pm
    I was talking to a group of retired people and they explained to me how wicked this government is and how they would not vote for it citing attacks on them and sending retirement funds from the nation to the rich.
    They know who the devil is.
    How do you like them apples Bronny................Two can play this game!
    Alexii
    9th Jun 2016
    9:34pm
    I must say that what Bonny said is the impression i get from numerous people too - including your and old, educated, intelligent friends - but they are just sooo naive! I often wonder about the naivety and sheer stupidity of people who continue to vote for the LNP even if it in no way represents their interests as they are just ordinary workers. The trouble is that they believe the guff the coalition mob continue to out.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:31am
    And people wonder why they treat the voting public with such contempt. We truly deserve the governments we get.
    As I repeatedly say: VOTE FOR AN INDEPENDENT. Xenophon is looking pretty good to me as is the return of crossbench senators.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:40am
    Sounds like a wasted vote to me Mick as they will just sit in Parliament and do nothing if elected. All Xenophon does is make a noise nothing more.
    Anonymous
    11th Jun 2016
    8:12am
    Bonny, any group you spoke to would be either totally misled or similarly biased, nasty, selfish and narcissistic and determined to ensure pensioners half-starved, shunned and insulted and battlers were stripped of everything they worked for to give it all to the rich rorters - and similarly shunned and insulted.

    Heaven help us all if this disgusting LNP gets in again.

    As for economic management, I'd rather trust Labor any day than a party with an IDIOT as treasurer and one that claims ''savings'' from policies they can't get approved by a responsible Senate and policies that they claim savings from but that actually CAN'T do anything other than drive costs up.

    I've seen first hand how this blundering mob run a budget. Sent the deficit soaring. Refused to address the most obscene waste - grossly unfair superannuation concessions - because it hit the privileged. Introduced a policy that will strip retired savers and planners of any decent lifestyle and plunge them into hardship, imposing massive increased cost on taxpayers. Gifted $11 billion to the US government in grossly irresponsible tax concessions. Can't understand what a ''small business'' actually is. And don't forget it's let by someone who claims to understand the struggle of ordinary Australians because he came from a disadvantaged background - yeah, right. Having a dad who can leave you $8 million is being ''disadvantaged''. No wonder he doesn't get the importance of government-funded health and education and a decent pension system!

    Anyone who votes for the LNP is a blind fool.
    Bonny
    11th Jun 2016
    11:03am
    With the odds shortening for an LNP victory the majority of voters must therefore be blind fools.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    2:11pm
    Well 97% of the population is unconscious, so it's not hard to conceive that the majority ARE fools, Bonny. Of course the privileged vote purely out of selfish self-interest.
    BrianP
    9th Jun 2016
    11:02am
    Form a "Seniors" Party for the next election anyone?
    Bushlady
    9th Jun 2016
    11:15am
    I am on board, hook, line, and sinker.
    Bushlady
    9th Jun 2016
    11:19am
    I think all the person that are dissatisfied the the way we are treated by the major parties.would think this is a dream come true. I do, I am sick of been treat poorly, and made to grovel.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:27am
    Missed this one. I would be seriously interested in your idea Brian. Send me a private email if you are serious and have some ideas as to how to get this off the ground. Cheers.
    In the meantime might I suggest that voters consider voting for Xenophon in the senate (if he has a a member standing in your state) and Independents for the lower house who give their preferences to Labor or the Greens. Make sure you ask at the polling booth before you commit though.
    First step is to remove the current hostile government which WILL bring in Death Duties. When not if.
    Huskie
    9th Jun 2016
    11:54am
    A group of dedicated people tried to generate interest in a Seniors Political Party thru this medium. The level of interest was astounding in its non-existence. A Constitution was developed and membership sought, policies in the pipeline. Everything was funded by a group of 5. Needed 500 members (membership was free) never got there and the group called it quits due to total disillusionment with the apathy of the Seniors.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    12:21pm
    It is a worry Huskie. Perhaps this needs to be revisited in 12 months time. We'll see.
    You know the old saying about people deserving the government they get. A sad truism which bad governments use to their benefit!
    Please contact me via the private message ability on the website if you want to make this happen after the election. I'm in.
    Ayin
    9th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    There is a Mature Australia Party who are standing mainly in the senate, I think mainly to a lack of funds but it is something we maybe should all get behind.
    Alexii
    9th Jun 2016
    9:37pm
    There is one called Seniors United Party of Australia. (SUPA). You can find their website.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:33am
    One has to be careful as some of the new parties are no more than fronts for the Liberal Party. I used to ask where their preferences were going but no need any more as the senate voting system now lets voters choose the preferences. A most welcome change.
    Lescol
    9th Jun 2016
    11:02am
    Until I joined the ‘largest bloc’ I never understood why seniors were treated so poorly; it’s because their voting patterns never change. They’re predictable.

    It has been noted that there have been over 4000 changes to superannuation since compulsory super was introduced and still short time decisions are being made over an issue you spent years planning for.

    As a result I suggest another change on 2 July; anybody first and current government last. The new guys get a term to create the vision or they get the chop next election.

    The vision, is to cut the nonsense! Give all people of retirement age the full pension and tax all income in the normal way. Simple. This gets rid of the bureaucracy associated with monitoring the current ineffective system and puts everyone on an even footing. Also you are not punished for saving to supplement your retirement as is happening in the current political climate. Ditto traveling away from Australia as you will pay tax. Simple stuff eh?

    cheers
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:28am
    You are on the money Lescol. I have been saying this for yonks.
    Make a difference by spreading the message and asking other retirees to use the ballot box to get rid of the current malicious government which is coming after the retirement community and more generally average Australians. Needs to happen.
    Retired Knowall
    9th Jun 2016
    4:57pm
    You are not in the largest bloc Leslcol, it belongs to the 25 to 64 age group.
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    6:21pm
    That largest block are the taxpayers so I can't see any of them having any sympathy for pensioners who sit around idle while they toil every day to pay for them.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    7:47pm
    The retiree group will decide who wins this election and have made their decision.
    buby
    9th Jun 2016
    9:06pm
    Also you are not punished for saving to supplement your retirement as is happening in the current political climate. Ditto traveling away from Australia as you will pay tax. Simple stuff eh?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    Why should i be taxed, if i wanted to go visit my relatives OVerseas???
    Its seems you still punishing the elderly?
    Alexii
    9th Jun 2016
    9:38pm
    Agree with you, Lescoi.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:35am
    The current government has declared war on retirees. VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT!
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:41am
    They will still be there in 1095 days.
    Anonymous
    11th Jun 2016
    8:17am
    ''pensioners who sit around idle while they toil every day to pay for them'' Bonny?

    What a disgusting remark. It shows how far Australian society has degraded.

    Our generation respected our elders and wanted them looked after appropriately in their old age. We appreciated their massive contribution to society and to the greater affluence we enjoyed, and we CARED about their health and comfort. We regarded their pension as an ENTITLEMENT after all they had given to society.

    And after a lifetime of contributing, most pensioners are out there still doing community work, charity work, caring for grandchildren while kids work, helping their kids with household maintenance and gardening (and good advice!)... the list goes on and on.

    Anyone who claims pensioners ''sit around idle while they toil every day to pay for them'' is not only blind and totally STUPID, but arrogant, rude and disgusting in the extreme. What a vile comment!
    Bonny
    11th Jun 2016
    11:01am
    That is the way taxpayers see anyone on welfare including pensioners and I can't change what others think. If they worked as hard as you say why are they pensioners anyway?
    slapsy
    11th Jun 2016
    12:31pm
    Most of the taxpayers being talked about in this string are future retirees. All the sensible ones will be thinking about that when they cast their vote at this election.
    They are certainly aware of what is at stake here. The ones that I speak to are,anyway.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    2:27pm
    '' If they worked as hard as you say why are they pensioners anyway? ''

    What an IDIOTIC question, Bonny! Only a moron would ask that. Do you walk around with your eyes closed? Have you not noticed that cleaners and gardeners and road workers and brickie's labourers are POORLY PAID?

    It's the lazy shiny-arsed incompetents who can lie and cheat their way into well paid jobs that offer huge retirement benefits, not the genuine lifters who build the nation.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    5:40pm
    The vile attitude of some Australians to aged pensioners who have given 5+ decades of service to this nation is puzzling. My generation respected our elders. We appreciated their contribution to keeping Australia safe and free and to building a nation in which people could enjoy a relatively decent standard of living. We respected their Christian values and love for their fellow man and the way they demonstrated that in times of crisis and when they met people in need. We valued their honesty and integrity, and their humility.

    It seems today the greed disease has so badly infected some that they can't see past dollar signs and they value PEOPLE in monetary terms! How disgusting!

    Do people like Bonny really think that the value of a person is determined by their bank balance and income? I can't think of a more inhuman, inaccurate, and disgusting standard of judgment.

    The fact is that the best Australians are battlers, because they give so generously and they don't have inflated egos and obscenely irrational views of their worth. Joe Hockey should be hanged for his disgusting use of the word ''leaners''. He is a prize leaner - and self-serving scum who thinks the rest of Australia owes him gold.

    There are some very nice and good wealthy people - people who do a lot of our society. But vast numbers of the well-off are unintelligent, egomaniacal, narcissistic, unproductive, and basically useless. They either inherit or win or steal, con, lie, manipulate and bluff their way through life, using others and claiming an unfair share of national resources, and developing warped and illogical ideas of entitlement. There are lots of them in parliament and senior bureaucratic positions, and in senior management in companies (especially big ones), but you find them everywhere. Often, they are paid extortionate salaries for totally stuffing up the job they are paid to do, but nobody realizes they are doing it badly. Nobody is smart enough to know that a more competent person would use better methods and improve productivity. They wave their fancy pieces of paper and skite, claiming smarts they don't have, and they walk away with fat pay cheques - OR they are sacked for incompetence and paid a king's ransom to leave.

    Overall, the most productive, hard working, decent, honest, and generally worthy people in this society are mostly battlers. Those at the bottom of the ladder perform in their job of suffer. They have nowhere to turn when sickness and crisis destroys their life plan other than to other DECENT people who have empathy and compassion and behave like human beings rather than like snakes.

    The most detestible and vile individuals in our society are those who look down on pensioners. And if some younger Australians are scorning aged pensioners (MOST ARE NOT), heaven help them. ''There but for the grace of God go I'' should offer a stern warning. Even the very well off can end up needy in a world as sick and troubled as ours is today. There are no guaantees anywhere.
    Brissiegirl
    9th Jun 2016
    11:08am
    I feel pensioners are a little complacent, probably tired of the slick political machinery. Of the older people I know, some are dyed in the wool Labor from the days when their parents (and WWII) influenced their thinking. Some remain firm on Liberal values. I used to vote Labor until Rudd and Gillard and haven't seen any reason to return, particularly if Turnbull's slimey coups results in him replaced as LNP leader. However, worse than Turnbull for me would be the ex-union boss Shorten who knifed two colleagues in his rush to be Labor leader and who saw fit to hurl the foul "F" word at an innocent little pie shop owner. In my estimation Shorten, caught off-guard, showed his true colours - a bully from a union background which breeds thugs and stand-over merchants.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:32am
    Make a call on what you want after the election Brissiegirl: Turnbull who will come after pensioners with a vengeance or Shorten who will not. If you ignore the past 3 years then you invite what will happen. For me I'll be trying to send the current batch into retirement, not unleash them onto working Australians, who will be taxed so that this government can give more money to those who are already doing very nicely: the well off.
    Your call!
    MITZY
    9th Jun 2016
    12:40pm
    I doubt if Turnbull has shown his true colours the body language at times indicates he's seething underneath. So again it is 50/50 Shorten/Turnbull. That's the choice you have whether you like or dislike either of them. The alternatives if available in your electorate are definitely the go in order to keep the two major parties from cascading us with a different scenario after 2nd July compared to the ones they are postulating from now until 2nd July. The majority of taxpayers paying tax from their salary/wages come from a section that just pays PAYE each week, fortnight, month, etc. A fair percentage of pensioners posting here would have done the same in their working life-time. I believe the distribution of taxes in years gone by was more fairly divided than it is today. Big business gets a lot of concessions, regardless of whether they get this Coalition tax cut or not. They will still keep doing what they have always done, hire in boom fire in doom. They have the capacity to survive. There are so many others who don't. As we are supposed to be a compassionate and fair nation (this is what we are told we are) I would rather see this $50 billion of tax cuts spent on health, education, science, environment, pensions and small business breaks than the current government indicating they are going to make the multi-nationals pay tax in Australia on their profits and then give them a tax cut? It doesn't make sense. I'm looking forward to the next "big" story castigating one or the other major party because to date the rhetoric has been very very repetitious and boring.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:21pm
    Well don't watch Nine News. The story you will get will only be a grooming of Turnbull. Even when his party have stuffed up.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:21am
    You are saying what I have been saying on the website for some time: retirees have the power to change governments. If we can work as ONE VOICE then we will achieve this. If some of us are seduced by the propaganda from the current government then we will have to happy with being attacked and pushed into poverty. The choice is entirely up to voters and I hope that we do what is required to vanquish the current rotten to the core big business owned government working for its owners and those who fund it.
    tj
    9th Jun 2016
    3:27pm
    I am curious to see how putting independents in power could give us ONE VOICE as wouldn't it be like a mixed bag of lollies with a bunch of Xenophon like fence sitters and stunt people. By the way if anyone wants to hear about Nicks big plans he is going to be on his mates show on 5aa tomorrow(S.A radio)
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    7:50pm
    Good question. What it does is stop bad government. That is what happened with the current Senate. The bad policies were stopped.
    Your post about "one voice" misses the point as voting Liberal will result in big taxes for the poor and bigger bank accounts for the rich. Is that what you want?
    Anonymous
    11th Jun 2016
    8:24am
    The problem, MIck, is that there is a high percentage of well-to-do retirees who are arrogant, selfish, and totally lacking in any level of human decency. (We see comments be a few of them here!) All they care about is loading the coffers of the similarly wealthy, and feeding their manic egos.

    And then there's the selfish pensioners (and the idiots leading them - like Cassandra Golding) who are so deluded that they think a government that slashes pensions for battlers who saved a few dollars will actually look after the very needy. They c'an't see that grinding workers and savers into hardship and discouraging saving results in more needy and less money to go around.

    Yes, our age group has the power but I don't think the group has enough collective intelligence to use it, sadly!
    Bonny
    11th Jun 2016
    11:18am
    I agree wth Cassandra Golding in that pensions should go to the needy but she goes too far with her call to nationalise super. If I was under 50 today no way would I put any more than I had to into super. I am also glad I have only a small percentage of my assets in super as it is too risky for me.

    To others I am no different than any other old person in society. I am offered pensioner discounts where ever I go and accept them gracefully. Not accepting them only causes the person offerring them embarassment.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    2:30pm
    You agree with anything that hurts everyone else as long as it doesn't hurt the egomaniacal self-serving narcissistic Bonny.

    Cassandra Golding is a fool. Needs-based welfare that cripples the responsible workers, savers and planners cripples the nation. And that's precisely what is happening today.
    FM
    9th Jun 2016
    11:22am
    The following is a Change.org petition to put seniors' issues on the election agenda. If you can copy it onto your browser and read it and then sign it it would get it going before it is too late to have any impact. I will post the content of the petition in a following post.
    https://www.change.org/p/jenny-macklin-it-s-time-to-protect-our-pensions-5ba876d6-be9d-44c2-8ca1-4fb4cc79b7b7?recruiter=550430732&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:44am
    I just signed the petition. Seems like the retirement community is not being proactive enough here.
    If we sit back and complain over the back fence then nothing will happen. We ALL need to get out of our comfort zone and donate some of our own time to send this dreadful government under. With that in mind please all have a word to other retirees and try to impress on them the danger in voting for the current batch. This is bigger than you and I and the community needs to act as one voice.
    I have my fingers crossed but live in the real world too where people's habits are hard to change. Time to make a call retirees. Pick you poison. I'll be putting Liberal candidates last and picking Independents (I have Xenophon and Lambie) on my senate paper. Voters might also consider Labor and Greens which at least removes the ongoing attack on the ability to live after retirement.
    Lescol
    9th Jun 2016
    2:02pm
    I too have signed and I hope that all of seniors vote formally this election; anybody first and current government last. The new guys get a term or they too are voted out next election. Its the only way we'll get change and stop the bashing. We are the largest voting group. cheers
    FM
    9th Jun 2016
    11:24am
    We want to stop the elderly being targeted in every budget.

    DON’T LET POLITICIANS STEAL ALL YOUR RETIREMENT.

    They have stolen most of it don’t let them steal the rest.

    “There’s never been a better time to be an Australian”. Well maybe for Malcolm Turnbull and sloganeering: But not for aged pensioners.

    Politicians can retire after a couple of terms in office on very generous pensions but they want to make everyone else work to age 70, the highest retirement age in the Western world.

    As it is, Australia is no country for old men, or women. Australia’s retirement system is generally inadequate. The 2014 Global Health Watch measures of the quality of life of older people, found Australia had the lowest ranking in the region, (61st), for income security which measures older people’s access to money. It had the highest old age poverty rate and below average pension coverage and welfare rates. Afghanistan which ranked last in overall well being was 20 points ahead of Australia on income security.

    Income security has been drastically eroded by efforts to reduce the aged pension by changing indexation and by draconian cuts to part pensions of self-funded retirees with low to average incomes. People on small Defined Benefit Pensions lost up to $10,000 in 2016 and the Seniors Supplement, which compensated for the GST. From 2017 retirees with small lump-sums will lose thousands of dollars due to the doubling of the taper rate, taking it back to where it was 10 years ago. A couple with a lump sum of $275,000 each will lose close to $15,000 p.a.

    Cuts of $1.6 billion to the Budget for the sick and frail aged in 2016, following drastic cuts in 2015 mean some people in aged care can no longer afford the weekly charge and their medication.

    These changes will affect the future of everyone in the work force. People on low to average wages will be left on the verge of destitution a few years into retirement unless politicians concentrate on creating a properly funded retirement system. They can afford to. See the History of the Aged Pension in Australia.

    Australia is the only Western Country that does not have a universal aged pension. In the UK, US, Europe, Canada, NZ and many other countries everyone gets a contributory aged pension. People have their own retirement funds on top of that. A contributory pension system was set up in Australia in 1946 when a 7.5% levy was placed on earnings to fund an aged pension. This levy has been collected since and is still part of the tax system but very few Australians get an aged pension and those who do are told it is Welfare.

    It is estimated that the trillions of dollars stolen from the fund by successive Governments would be sufficient to pay a non-means tested pension of more than $500 a week to every retired person.

    The provision of retirement income and welfare are core responsibilities of the Federal Government and require a considerable Budget allocation.

    It’s Time to make a stand

    Sign this petition to insist that the Political Parties: -

    Disclose their long term plan for funding retirement and aged care before the election.

    Do not raise the retirement age again.

    Do not change the indexation of pensions.

    Reverse the changes to the assets test and taper rates.

    Restore the deductible amount of defined benefit pensions.

    Restore funding for aged care.

    Review the proposed cap on final contributions to allow people on low incomes to make greater catch up contributions as they approach retirement.

    Recessions are used as a pretext to cut back on the provision of services to the most vulnerable.

    When the economy recovers these services will not be restored.

    Do not let politicians use this downturn to steal your retirement.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:46am
    Good post. Australians need to ignore the ongoing lies and propaganda from the government machine and focus on what this government is perpetrating on the retirement community: an intent to remove pension entitlements and make retirees sell their homes and live off the balance.
    Rae
    9th Jun 2016
    1:24pm
    Love the Slogan.

    Australia is NO country for old men or women. Priceless.
    Rodent
    9th Jun 2016
    6:06pm
    Hey FM

    Not sure your statement is correct " From 2017 retirees with small lump-sums will lose thousands of dollars due to the doubling of the taper rate, taking it back to where it was 10 years ago. A couple with a lump sum of $275,000 each will lose close to $15,000 p.a.

    I know we are being attacked but for couples, (you don't say home owner or Non Homeowner) at 2 x $275k ie $550k Assets the LOSS is not as much as you say- if that's what you are saying?

    A Home Owner Couple will lose in total $3568pa and a Non Home Owner Couple loses ZERO
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    6:30pm
    I only agree with "Review the proposed cap on final contributions to allow people on low incomes to make greater catch up contributions as they approach retirement."

    I don't think it is only fair that all people have the ability to put in $1.6 million not only those who earn lots of money.

    Rest are all OK by me.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    7:53pm
    Of course you don't Bronny. The LNP and its trolls don't and always demand a cut. Normally the lion's share.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:42am
    Funny I asked for nothing and get taxed instead. If that a lion's share I don't want a mouse's share.
    jennyb
    9th Jun 2016
    11:33am
    Have read the Change.org petition mentioned by FM and thoroughly agree - sign and share on Facebook or any other social media!
    https://www.change.org/p/jenny-macklin-it-s-time-to-protect-our-pensions-5ba876d6-be9d-44c2-8ca1-4fb4cc79b7b7?recruiter=550430732&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
    FM
    9th Jun 2016
    11:38am
    Thank you jenny b
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:47am
    I signed a few minutes ago as well. Spread the word and make your votes count.
    Old Man
    9th Jun 2016
    11:45am
    I wonder how many retired people actually fall into the category of "swinging" voters. When I listen to a group of retirees talking about politics, I can usually pick which side they support by the comments. It's the same as this forum where posters are for one side or the other. I understand that people can change their opinions but will there be enough retired people who are willing to change a lifetime habit to make a difference?
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    11:50am
    We all need to be swinging voters. The problem we have is that some people have voted the same way for all of their adult lives. Sometimes along family lines. Sometimes along socioeconomic lines.
    In the end bad governments need to be shown the door. Given that retirees have been made fair game it would be my hope that the current batch are not only shown the door but pushed off the cliff. That'll send the right message!
    Huskie
    9th Jun 2016
    12:01pm
    The Hawke–Keating government presided over the strongest rate of GDP growth, closely followed by Howard with a gap then to Whitlam and a further, larger, gap back to a cluster of Abbott–Turnbull, Rudd–Gillard and Fraser.

    The overall weighted average quarterly GDP growth rates since 1972 are:

    • 0.80 per cent for the Labor Party
    • 0.77 per cent for the Liberal Party.

    This shows that the economy grows faster, on average, under Labor than the Coalition by 0.03 per cent per quarter, which is a touch over 0.1 per cent per annum. This may not appear to be a huge difference, but in today’s dollar terms it is approximately $1.7 billion per annum of extra GDP in each of the 22 years Labor has been in government. The cumulative effect of this difference on GDP is just under $40billion. In per capita GDP terms, this is an additional $1600 for each of us.

    In annualised terms, the Australian economy grows 0.6per cent faster than the US economy when Labor is in government relative to when the Coalition is in government. Given that this covers more than 20 years of each side being in government, the cumulative effects are significant.

    The fastest rate of monthly employment growth occurred during the Hawke–Keating years, closely followed by the period of the Howard government. Employment growth has been solid under Turnbull–Abbott and was broadly similar under each of Rudd–Gillard and Whitlam, while the Fraser period was characterised by the weakest average monthly employment growth rate.

    Using a weighted average of the monthly employment growth from November 1972, Labor registered average monthly employment increases of 0.154 per cent, while for the Coalition the average monthly gain was 0.136 per cent. The average monthly difference is 0.018 per cent or 0.216 per cent a year.

    Given the size of the labour force today (at December 2015, there were 11,902,000 people employed), the difference of 0.018 per cent in monthly employment growth is approximately 2140 people extra per month or 25,710 people per year. In other words, given the size of today’s labour market, when the Labor Party is in government, annual employment creation is 25,710 higher than when the Coalition is in power. Over the 22 years of Labor governments since 1972, 565,000 more people will be in work today than had job creation been at the pace set by the Coalition parties in government.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    12:23pm
    Thanks Huskie. The coalition is such a lying machine. They spruik that Labor cannot produce jobs but history is against them. Of course the mainstream media never reports that.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    2:36pm
    Wow, Huskie! Brilliant presentation. What a shame the LNP-voting dumbos won't read it!
    Rosscoe
    9th Jun 2016
    12:04pm
    I never fail to be amazed at the conservative attitudes of most seniors. This LNP Federal Government could burn all our houses down and you still wouldn't get off your backsides. All the time, you want someone else to do the fighting. I was a workplace delegate for 32 years and it was the same in my workplace. Well, you've got what you asked for - a government full of liars, incompetents and cheats - they are ripping us off!. Democracy is wasted on you!
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    12:26pm
    I feel your frustration Rosscoe. What you are referring to is a lifetime of conditioning and an inability to vote according to what is needed, not 'what I did 50 years ago'. Governments know this and that is why they can, as you said, burn down the houses of most retirees and then have them vote for them. Maybe people are just cattle to be farmed. Makes one want to cry!
    Peanuts
    9th Jun 2016
    12:09pm
    These numbers (if correct) are frightening. It looks as though fewer and fewer (younger) people are going to be paying the taxes for the pensions of more and more pensioners! Whatever your political persuasion, how the hell is this ever going to work!
    KSS
    9th Jun 2016
    12:26pm
    Exactly Peanuts. It has been said here before but people don't want to accept the reality.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    12:27pm
    And fewer and fewer rich and multinationals are going to be paying tax in Australia.
    Before this rich man's government comes after retirees they need to collect the taxes of the nation. Not just from working Australians but ALSO THEIR WEALTHY ELECTION FUNDING CONTRIBUTORS WHO THEY SHIELD FROM PAYING TAX.
    Peanuts
    9th Jun 2016
    12:53pm
    MICK, I am just trying to be logical, not emotional or political. In any case, politicians can not defy logic, whatever they may say. Most taxes in Australia are paid by individuals as income tax, not by companies, whomever is in power. Therefore the data says we are going to be in trouble whatever the politicians may say. Or the facts/data in this article are incorrect...
    Rae
    9th Jun 2016
    1:37pm
    And those young people are concerned with global warming, same sex marriage and social issues that don't include aged poverty levels.

    We probably need to hit the streets enmass with our begging bowls to make an impact and there is no way most would be bothered to stir themselves. They would sit in the cold and starve before doing a thing.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:23pm
    If you added up what the big end of town is getting away with then we could fund a heck of a lot more than we do.
    It's not Peanuts Peanuts.
    Bonny
    11th Jun 2016
    11:44am
    I am surprised that it has taken this long for governments to realise the age pension is unsubstatainable in it's present form. I have know this from statistics decades ago.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    2:33pm
    The aged pension ISN'T unsustainable, Bonny. Superannuation tax concessions to the high income earners are the problem - costing MORE than the pension and obscenely overindulging people who don't need help.
    vinradio
    9th Jun 2016
    12:28pm
    Hi, I've been reading the comments for some time, I always enjoy them. I just signed the petition mentioned further down this comments list. We do need to band together, or vote Xenophon, to toss the current lot out, or at the very least make them think about what they are doing to all Australians!(except the very wealthy and politicians, who are one and the same, usually).
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:24pm
    Ditto.
    Mez
    9th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    Safer to vote Libs but all major parties will lose seats.
    I myself am interested in a few independents so as a swinging voter all my life, I am still deciding depending on performances and policies but ALP & Greens is definitely out because no matter what they say, it will be disastrous! Already I have noticed lies and inconsistancies with those two so I do not trust them.
    Besides, all major socialist or communist governments have had their economic productivities plummet downwards so it IS essential to vote for a party or person who does not uphold those values.
    This Liberal govt. is so far a lot more compassionate than previous ones and as a nurse and a sec. school teacher, that is important to me but stimulating the economy IS our priority now all because of Labour creating a deficit before. Sure, society is never perfect and we can never please everyone!
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:31pm
    Safer to vote Liberal? Methinks you do not understand the game and WHO the Liberal Party is working for. It is not average Australians...who are utilised to pay tax and vote. That's where it ends.
    Your post defies belief and one has to wonder how you come to the conclusions you do. The evidence says the opposite.

    For your education: the deficit has almost tripled under the current government and debt has blown out by another $100 billion. I would not call that good management!

    In terms of being "compassionate" please ask retirees who are being pursued relentlessly and remember about all the new taxes Abbott tried to bring in when he said there would be "no new taxes" before the election.

    You mention the "lies and inconsistencies". I have to laugh as it is this government which has made an artform of lies and inconsistencies.

    One has to wonder about your post Mez and where it is coming from. The content defies belief.
    Huskie
    9th Jun 2016
    2:43pm
    The analysis on better economic management takes no account of interest rates, the level of the Australian dollar, the budget deficit or government debt. This is simply because these are the tools of policy, not policy ends in themselves. Just as the use of water is never calculated when the fire brigade is extinguishing a fire, the level of government spending, tax and interest rates are not indicators of economic management competence. It is not a sign of economic management credentials to see the level of interest rates, or taxation, or the budget balance go up or down. Indeed, as many have noted, high interest rates are often a sign of a very strong economic performance and low rates are associated with economic difficulties.

    . Howard, his treasurer Peter Costello, and more recently when Opposition leader, Tony Abbott, convinced the electorate that the level of interest rates, budget surpluses and level of government debt were measures of economic management rather than simply the tools used to manage the rate of economic growth and employment. Low interest rates and budget surpluses were presented as indicators of good economic management. High rates and budget deficits have been portrayed as unambiguously bad.

    This has in turn hampered the case for economic reform, with governments reluctant to take on debt to build, for example, essential infrastructure, for fear of being seen to be borrowing too much. But even on these skewed measures of performance, the evidence confirms that the Liberal Party is a significantly higher taxing party than Labor and that for more than 20 years the government has had little direct influence on the level of interest rates, with the Reserve Bank of Australia setting interest rates independently of any government influence.
    Mez
    10th Jun 2016
    10:47pm
    Mick....both governments have lied and are corrupt and the deficit was created by Labour plus the China situation. I am more aware of what happens in politics and it appears more than you are because my judgement is not clouded nor biased by one political denomination like you are.
    As a longtime swinging voter, I examine everything in an objective manner and now have narrowed my vote to the independents for many good reasons.
    ex PS
    12th Jun 2016
    4:54pm
    Yeah, safer for the bankers and industrialists. Because the workers tax will end up subsidizing them.
    Teddyboy.
    9th Jun 2016
    1:01pm
    Some of the independents have shone through lately and the ones we suspected of being rubbish have proved it. what is good about them is that they keep the bastards honest so why not try a few more of them and see what happens. Just be a bit selective in the ones you vote for. I have been pleasantly surprised by Jackie Lamby, impressed by Xenophon and pleased to see the reemergence of Wilkie.He can surely get rid of one of the worst of the regulars. Throw in a few Greens and let the partybegin.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:31pm
    Good post. You are on the money and understand the solution needed.
    Anonymous
    9th Jun 2016
    5:28pm
    Xenophon and Lambie I can agree with you. The likes of Muir, Lazarus, Wilkie, and Windsor are going down a dead end, as the first two know sod-all and the other two "think" thy know everything and do sod-all. One Nation or the Australian Liberty Alliance Party should have a go. Voting for the LNP, Labor, or Greens will just continue to take this wonderful country down the toilet.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    7:57pm
    Just remember that the 3 you mentioned were a part of the Senate which protected us all from the attack coming from Abbott and his cronies.
    My take is that those already doing the job are better than picking an unknown quantity. Even old Ricky has proved to be a worthwhile MP and better than most of the coalition stoolies doing zilch other than being puppets.
    It will be an interesting election.
    Mez
    10th Jun 2016
    2:38pm
    Since posting my previous comment and reading that the Libs are backing Islamic Sharia law which believes in beheading and mistreating women, I am considering to vote for the independents as a longtime swinging voter as the major parties are not to be trusted with their lies and corruption.
    Australian Liberty Alliance party is one also to consider besides the independents.
    jackie
    9th Jun 2016
    1:04pm
    This makes me worried considering The human brain does shrink with age, with some areas such as the frontal cortex shrinking at a faster rate than others. This is what is going to decide who is to govern this country. How sad and no wonder it's been regressng.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:33pm
    Maybe but more likely people are too stupid, too disinterested or both to bother to find out the truth. I was once in that group and it now horrifies me when I look from the other side of the mirror and see the political corruption with many people buying the spiel.
    downunder
    9th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    Very true, the older generation could have a lot of power for change, BUT 8 out of 10 will vote for what they always have voted, regardless how badly they have been treated by the ruling party. You know why? We have always voted that way, we can't change. They don't deserve any better, wincing is their main past time (BTW I am 71)
    Paulodapotter
    9th Jun 2016
    1:33pm
    Vote the person, not the party and you'll sleep much better for it.
    Ageing but not getting old
    9th Jun 2016
    1:57pm
    Downunder: I think there is a typo in your last sentence. I think you meant winging; however, if 'the older generation' just vote the way they've always voted, they may, indeed, have good reason to 'wince' with the results of apathy or inflexibility. Humans are not trees; we are not immovably fixed to the ground by our roots; we can move and change. Do what you believe is in your best interests NOW, not what was in your best interests 50 years ago, or in what your parents thought 50 years ago!
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:35pm
    That is a worry but you have a valid point. Up to each and every one of us to do something about it. I will be copying Kaye's article and doing a letterbox drop in retirement areas. Other of us should do likewise as no great journey was ever taken without the first step.
    Paulodapotter
    9th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    I made one rule in my life re governments. Never depend on them for anything. What the government giveth the government will definitely take away.
    Rae
    9th Jun 2016
    1:46pm
    Very good advice P.

    It is also very hard to be free if you are financially dependent on anyone but yourself.

    My old Nanna had a saying about men in suits,

    " If you see them coming girl you run out the back and keep running and don't come home 'til they long gone!".

    Men in suits were worse than being lost in the Pilliga scrub as far as she was concerned.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:37pm
    Agree. We did the same so the effect of the current attacks is minimal on us. But the family home and inheritances will be the big one....when they come in. A vote for Liberal will bring that one closer to the day.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    4:10pm
    Spoke to our local Labor candidate today and asked about the family home being included in the assets test. All they said was that it was not off the agenda.

    I remember as kid there was nothing worse that the Pilliga shrub too. Now we have people camped out there trying to save it from gas mining.
    Bane
    9th Jun 2016
    1:52pm
    We all seem to hit the nail on the head when it comes to assessing the major parties. The one thing that riles me is that no party has any vision on how to fix the country's problems. It's all Bandaid stuff - treat the symptoms not the cause so we never see any progress. One issue is why we don't drought proof Australia. Water channeled to the centre from flooding coastal areas - no more future issues for our farmers. Australia could become the food bowl of the world since we can't compete in manufacturing. Wake up the Chinese see the possibilities and are moving towards owning us. Our economy could be fixed in a long lasting manner with all the benefits that flow from it. All we need is a leader with the vision and gusto to see beyond their own term in office.
    kentucky
    9th Jun 2016
    1:58pm
    As older Australians, you’ll represent the largest proportion of voters at Election( 2106, )
    making it all the more important that the issues that affect you are put to the fore in the coming weeks of campaigning.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    2:38pm
    I have been saying that for some time.
    We need to pass on what we understand now so that those amongst us who repeatedly vote the same way see the light. For their own sakes as well as for their children's.
    Huskie
    9th Jun 2016
    2:47pm
    Contrary to perception, the data for GDP and employment growth over the past 43 years suggest a stronger economy with a faster pace of job creation when Labor is in power than when the Coalition is in power. All of which makes you wonder why the electorate seems so convinced the Coalition parties are the better economic managers.

    Labor has been ineffectual over many years in tackling the issue of economic management. Kim Beazley, as Labor leader following the election of the Howard government, was reluctant to embrace the Hawke–Keating legacy, which saw a raft of reforms put in place that served the Australian economy well.

    The true lesson here is probably that public perceptions can be difficult to change, even when they are at odds with very clear reality.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:37am
    You won't ever hear that from the Liberal Party.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:49am
    That makes sense as Labor spends the money and the LNP has to reign things in to stop the rot.
    slapsy
    11th Jun 2016
    12:16pm
    You must have taken those spiteful words straight out of Abbott's mouth,Bonny.
    Only a spiteful person would dismantle programmes,good or bad,only because they were initiated by the other side.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    2:25pm
    Well, Bonny, whatever Labor does is obviously the RIGHT thing to do because it drives job growth and GDP growth, which means PROSPERITY. If they do that by looking after the poor better and providing better health and education, then it's a triple win!

    Pretty obvious which party governs best, isn't it?
    Daz
    9th Jun 2016
    3:28pm
    Well I think all people around retiring age have been conned over the years Labor and Liberal voters alike. Trouble is we have been too trusting of our politicians. While they have been feathering their own nests and setting themselves up over the years to be some of the highest paid politicians in the world with all their travel privileges and unmatched superannuation scheme they have brainwashed most of us into believing that they deserve it. We're alright bugger the rest of you. They want us to tighten our belts but give nothing up themselves. They have forgotten that we all did our bit in our younger years to make this country great. I've never known a government to have such contempt for pensioner's, the disabled and low paid workers as this Liberal government. It seems if your not earning $80,000 a year you don't matter and don't deserve a tax cut. Even the hypocrite Prime Minister has money invested in off shore accounts. Bill Shorten is no better and obviously agrees with Turnbul that pensioner and aged issues are not important. Both parties have become complacent and pensioner bashing is starting to be a common trait. I would love to send these conceited politicians a message to say we're not gonna take it. I believe both major parties see the retirement community as weak, and unable to do anything to them. Just like school bullies they will always attack the people who they think won't fight back. I believe we have the numbers to make a difference but most of us have just voted Labor or Liberal most of our lives so we fight amongst ourselves. I don't believe either party has our best interests at heart and neither of them I would say have a very good track record so im giving my vote to an independent.I would love to see a Seniors party
    KB
    9th Jun 2016
    4:25pm
    The 40s and fifties age groups were left out, My age group cares about climate and social issues and we are in very much touch. I care about the future of Australia for the sake of my family, I will vote accordingly
    FM
    9th Jun 2016
    4:56pm
    Thank you KB. Also please look out for your retirement and your family's retirement. Don't leave the next generation worse off than you are. Retirement comes whether you like it or not if you are fortunate to live into your 60s and it is hard for people to accumulate adequate savings that will last them for up to 20 years of retirement unless they are high income earners. For the past three years the Government has tried to completely privatize retirement and leave the next generations with nothing to fall back on. Changes were made in the 1980s that have seriously weakened the Australian system but they went through without much protest as people did not understand the impact they would have. We are the only country in the world that does not have a universal aged pension as far as I can see. People who cannot accumulate adequate savings need to have access to a pension without it being classed as a loan or dependent on the value of your home. The cuts that have been made affect all workers and will leave many people much worse off in retirement but somehow people do not seem to look that far ahead.
    Anonymous
    11th Jun 2016
    8:34am
    Anyone who cares for the future of Australian society will vote the LNP last. The most important thing younger Australians need is security that they will be cared for and respected in old age. It comes to most of us, eventually, and no sane citizen wants to live in a nation where some of the aged are called ''leaners'' and grudgingly given ''welfare'' but living in poverty, and other aged are called ''greedy'' and stripped of the proceeds of a lifetime of struggle and hard work just because they committed the terrible sin of going without luxuries to save, but found their savings inadequate - after massive economic collapse - to fund the lifestyle they had planned and worked so hard for.
    Retired Knowall
    9th Jun 2016
    4:56pm
    The Statistics are misleading, the biggest voting block is the 25 to 64 year old.
    18 to 24 = 10.6%
    over 65 = 22%
    25 to 64 = 67.4%
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    6:27pm
    Very few under 65 are one bit concerned about pensioners.
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2016
    7:46pm
    Their are quite a few retirees out there who retired at 55, especially those with private super policies and of course Public Servants, who were forced into taking so called Voluntary Retirement and went on a Super Pension rather than the DOLE. These people are very concerned about how pension conditions are being changed as many have based their early retirement plans on being eligible for a part pension some time in the future.
    Many of these people are regretting trying to look after themselves by not seeking DOLE payments and are wondering if they would not have been better off saving their Super and taking unemployment benefits, knowing full well that at their age the prospects for a job are pretty slim.
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2016
    7:46pm
    Their are quite a few retirees out there who retired at 55, especially those with private super policies and of course Public Servants, who were forced into taking so called Voluntary Retirement and went on a Super Pension rather than the DOLE. These people are very concerned about how pension conditions are being changed as many have based their early retirement plans on being eligible for a part pension some time in the future.
    Many of these people are regretting trying to look after themselves by not seeking DOLE payments and are wondering if they would not have been better off saving their Super and taking unemployment benefits, knowing full well that at their age the prospects for a job are pretty slim.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:44am
    I have met very few people who retired at 55. They are rare birds even in retirement meccas. Only ones I know are the ones who retired at 55 because it simply wasn't worth their while to work anymore. Yes rich people.
    Mez
    10th Jun 2016
    10:56pm
    I read somewhere recently that the biggest voting electorate are the over 50's which comprises of 44% so as one who is in my mid 60's, my vote will be valuable.
    JOHN T
    9th Jun 2016
    6:06pm
    I find it incredible that anyone over 60 years would consider voting Liberal in this election when all you will get is hashed policies from the Abbott years.
    The only people who did not appreciate the Rudd years are the main ones complaing about electricity prices for had they not been as ignorant would have taken advantage of the discounts the government on solar panels and insulation on offer.As for the labor sending anyone broke what sort of economy will we have if nothing changes and without our children getting a good education there is no future any way .
    If someone does not do anything about our climate it will not matter who is in power
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    6:26pm
    I spoke to a group of them this afternoon and they will all be voting Liberal as it's better the devil they know.
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2016
    7:55pm
    Yes like good little sheep people will vote for a suit stuffed with straw,just as long as it has the right label attached, and why? Because that is who they have always voted for.
    "It's better the devil you know", what a cowardly, thoughtless destructive phrase, right up there with don't sail too far west or you will fall of the side of the earth, or if god had meant us to fly he would have given us wings, or you can't blame us we were only following orders. All in their own way cop outs from people who won't take responsibility for their own lives.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:39am
    What a deceitful lying troll you are Bronny. A true copy of the party which owns you.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    11:01am
    Mick no wonder I believe nothing you write as you have no idea other than to pedal your own agenda. The only agenda I have to be fair to everyone in our society. To see our young folk struggle and work hard just to make ends meet while our pensioners enjoy cruises, lunches at the club every other day etc is simply not fair.
    ex PS
    10th Jun 2016
    5:58pm
    Bonny, all the young people have to do to enjoy a fruitful retirement is to live within their means, work hard and work out their needs rather than their wants, just like most of the people who are now enjoying their overseas trips and comfortable homes.
    It is indeed emminatley fair that retirees enjoy the fruits of their labour. How they choose to spend their money is no ones business especially the government. And especially nosy under achievers who are jealous of other peoples achievements.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    8:57pm
    Who is the nosy under achiever who is jealous of other people's achievements? You PS. It certainly doesn't describe me at all. No clubs lunches or cruises for me as I prefer my food hot and of much better quality.
    slapsy
    11th Jun 2016
    12:08pm
    I haven't posted in this forum for quite some time. Except for Bonny's predictability,I have enjoyed reading this thread.
    Juju
    9th Jun 2016
    6:08pm
    Well that's disappointing, I just signed the petition and there are only 28 signatures.
    Apathy much!!
    Bonny
    9th Jun 2016
    6:18pm
    I didn't sign the petition as I only agree with this item.

    "Review the proposed cap on final contributions to allow people on low incomes to make greater catch up contributions as they approach retirement."
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:41am
    Yeah. Those with large incomes who are financially able to do this. That is what is wrong with the system: it gives high income earners (the rich) huge savings in tax whilst average citizens are forced to spend their income on living. That is why the superannuation system is flawed: it is designed to benefit exactly those people who do not need it.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:48am
    It benefits anyone who just doesn't spent 101% of what they earn every week. If people could just live within their means then we would have no problem. It doesn't take much effort to say to "No" to a few luxuries every week.
    Mez
    10th Jun 2016
    2:39pm
    I did not see any weblinks for petitions.
    Anonymous
    11th Jun 2016
    8:28am
    Bonny, many people spend 100% of what they earn because they DON'T EARN ENOUGH TO MEET ESSENTIAL LIVING COSTS.

    LNP solution? Cut their incomes are drive living costs up.
    Aussiefrog
    9th Jun 2016
    6:20pm
    What about the Mature Australian Party?
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    7:58pm
    Who is the preference going to?
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2016
    7:59pm
    I tried to join the Party, they sent my money back, makes me want to support them even more as they are obviously particular who they let in. "I wouldn't join a club who would let someone like me become a member" don't know who said this but I have always liked the sentiment. I will even throw them a vote if given the opportunity.
    FM
    9th Jun 2016
    6:46pm
    Candidates for the marginal seat of Brisbane copped some heated questions from more than 100 older people in a spirited start to National Seniors’ election campaign on Tuesday.

    Labor’s Pat O’Neill, The Greens’ Kirsten Lovejoy and Liberals’ Trevor Evans were each keen to lay out how their parties were deserving of seniors’ votes for the House of Representatives, while former rugby league great Glenn Lazarus argued his case for another term as Senator.

    Evans told the forum that the government was making changes that would impact between one and four per cent of superannuation holders but 96 per cent would be unaffected or better off.

    O’Neill said Labor created ‘super’ so people could ‘retire with dignity’ but there were ‘a lot of grey areas’ around such issues as transition to retirement, while Lovejoy said super had to be made fairer, particularly to those at the lower end of the income scale.

    But seniors greeted the comments by Lazarus with applause when he said whatever government came to power was likely to ‘change the goalposts’, that many people would be affected and it did not appear that either of the major parties cared.

    There was also anger in the room over pension assets tests with many seniors unimpressed with Evans’ responses on questions about pension assets test changes - due to come into force in January - and whether or not receiving less than an Age Pensioner was a disincentive to contributing to super.

    To calls of ‘answer the question’ and ‘you obviously don’t know’, Evans struggled to provide answers until National Seniors chief executive Michael O’Neill called the meeting to order.

    “I think we’ll move on – we are obviously not going to get an answer there,” O’Neill said.

    National Seniors will be running three other forums in the lead-up to the 2 July election.

    These will be in the Melbourne electorate of Chisholm on 16 June, the South Australian seat of Hindmarsh on 22 June and the final forum in the Perth seat of Hasluck on 23 June.

    If you would like to attend the Melbourne, Adelaide or Perth forums, RSVP here.
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    8:01pm
    Thanks FM. If I lived in either city I would most certainly go to one of these.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    10:51am
    I wonder if I can get a tax deduction to attend one of those? Shouldn't be too hard.
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2016
    7:34pm
    It's now or never folks, just look at the numbers, if we can get organised we can determine who runs this country for the next term.
    We are not taken seriously because the numbers men are telling their leaders that retirees are no threat because they will vote the same way that they have for the last 60 years. They are right retirees are like sheep ( Up until now I don't exclude myself from this statement) they still think that the two major parties have some sort of relevance to their lives.
    This is the time when we need to put aside our traditional voting patterns and make the politicians realize that we are deserving of being treated with respect, LNP/ALP (Coles/Woolworths) neither care about retirees unless it is to milk money out of them.
    If we all vote Independent and place the two so called major parties last and second last, we may not end up with an Independent government , but we will certainly put a scare into the winner and whoever it is will be forced to take us seriously.
    If we don't do something now we deserve what we get, and what we get will be very little.
    Lescol
    9th Jun 2016
    7:55pm
    By informal voting or by spoiling your vote you imply that you accept the current situation. Do you really prefer that?

    It has been noted that there have been over 4000 changes to superannuation since compulsory super was introduced but still short time decisions are being made over an issue you spent years planning for.

    It’s time for another change on 2 July; anybody first and current government last. The new guys get a term or they too get the chop next election.

    The vision is to cut the nonsense. Give all people of retirement age the full pension and tax all income in the normal way. Simple. This gets rid of the bureaucracy associated with monitoring the current ineffective system and puts everyone on an even footing.

    Also you are not punished for saving to supplement your retirement as is happening in the current political climate. Ditto traveling away from Australia as you will pay tax. Simple stuff eh?

    cheers
    MICK
    9th Jun 2016
    8:05pm
    I agree fully with your assessment Ex PS.
    Probably important that Independents with the greatest chance of winning a seat get first preference (Xenophon, Lambie and maybe Wilkie and/or Lazarus). After that maybe Labor is preferable to Liberal who should be put last in this election. My thoughts and hope you see the logic. Cheers.
    Pass on the news!
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2016
    8:06pm
    Lescol, as far as I am concerned people who deliberately vote informal have no right to have a political opinion, it is cowardly to put it politely.
    I hope you are not implying that I am advocating donkey votes as I agree totally with your first sentence.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    3:26pm
    I'm not making a judgement of any sort and can only hope that your vote counts. Giving this government another term is just plain suicide and I sincerely hope that Australians send it under where it belongs.
    Personally I care not if people vote for Billy the Blacksmith (Ricky Muire?) because good government can be had with average pollies as long as they are not controlled entities. The coalition is.
    probins01
    9th Jun 2016
    8:03pm
    Our only hope to change the status quo of 'tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber' on the political roundabout, is to use Turnbull's cynical Senate voting ploy against the 3 major parties. In the Lower House, number all boxes on the paper, but place the LNP, Labor and Greens LAST. In the Senate, number 6 boxes above the line and exclude the LNP, Labor and Greens completely, or better still, number 12 boxes of your choice below the line, excluding the LNP, Labor and Greens completely!
    This may lead to a hung parliament, but it would force a reduced quota of either LNP or Labor, to work with a Lower House cross-bench of diverse representatives, rather than just the Greens, and it would give the Senate some true democratic diversity to facilitate proper debate with very few party lines to be adhered to. Yes, it can work. It's called democracy!
    Seriously folks, have you seen a 'normal' legislative reading / debate session in parliament? You could swing 100 cats in the chamber! There's almost nobody listening to the debates. The Speaker rings the Division Bell, and all pollies come running in and vote along party lines! Then they leave again while the next bill is 'debated'. They take us for complete and utter fools!
    ex PS
    9th Jun 2016
    9:36pm
    So good to see retirees waking up to the FACT that it does not have to be one of the so called major parties that get our vote. We will have to put up with some pain but when you take out a cancerous growth there is always pain.
    The up side is that once we get the governments attention they will be quick to realize that they will have to find a new target.
    FM
    9th Jun 2016
    11:29pm
    If only enough of us would take some action, probins and ex PS. We have the numbers but a lot of people are disengaged.
    Have you signed the Change.org petition outlined above to get their attention that there is a considerable number of angry elder citizens out there? Perhaps we can all get our acquaintances to sign. If we let them get away with the raid on retirement, we are leaving a very poor legacy to the next generation.
    Mez
    10th Jun 2016
    11:04pm
    Probins, that is exactly what I intended to do but best to fill ALL boxes instead of the minimum required as every choice counts.
    Macca
    10th Jun 2016
    12:09am
    Mick my first impressions were you are an ass but I was mistaken you are a donkey voter.I've been a unionist and a sole trader. I've voted Lab or Lib.Personally Ive never prospered under a Labour Govt. I'm disillusioned with the present govt but can't see myself voting for someone that can't be trusted to control borders or illegal immigrants. At this time people need to put aside self interest and vote either Lab or Lib and get rid of minor fractions.Until we get an alternative that can oppose both these ? We have no choice.We don't need a hung parliament and 3 years of caos.
    ex PS
    10th Jun 2016
    7:41am
    Macca, if we get rid of the minor parties, how do we build a viable alternative?
    An alternative will not just drop out of the sky, it will have to be nurtured over time, the one sure thing we can count on is that the so called major parties will do anything, including banding together in order to destroy any opposition to their duopoly. We have seen this happen in the past when Independents' start to gather popular support.
    We always have a choice, sometimes it is between three less than perfect options, but we have to choose the best for us.
    MICK
    10th Jun 2016
    10:51am
    Macca: what you are is a sheep in wolves clothing. I doubt you ever voted for anyone other than the Liberal Party.
    Your rant about border security ignores the facts: Labor was held to ransom in the last parliament and caved in. Shorten has publicly stated that Labor will NOT be changing border security.
    Three years of chaos? But yet the Gillard government passed hundreds of Bills. The only "chaos" created was from Mr No Tony Abbott who set out to sabotage the working of government and the right wing media beating up the result.
    You need to hang your head in shame Macca. The country needs proper government. Not your right wing dictatorship with a rubber stamp to allow bad legislation and wealth transfer to the rich pass through the parliament.
    We need a strong senate whichever way the election goes and I will never accept the ongoing lament from Abbott and now Turnbull about their dirty Bills being blocked. They should be. That is what the senate is there to do to malicious government.

    You are correct ex PS. Independents and minor parties provide the checks and balances. Without these the country is held hostage to governments which may be more dictatorships than governments. Given attempts to sell off the ABC and to squeeze out Independents this government is well on the way there. It needs to go.
    FM
    10th Jun 2016
    2:46pm
    Hi Rodent
    Thank you for the observation. I got on to the person who did the petition. There were meant to be two examples there one for $270,000 and one for $400,000. Something got deleted in editing
    I believe he has been able to get back in and change that.
    Sorry I have not been able to mention this sooner. It has been hectic. I noticed in today’s smh that Labor had a similar petition on their website but they have taken it down. SMH suspects it is because they are going to approve some of the cuts that they blocked in the first LNP Budget and make further cuts that will affect seniors. If you have friends and family who can sign the petition can you ask them to. We are not getting through.
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    4:02pm
    Yes Labor is cutting family tax benefits. It puzzles me why Labor is cutting family tax benefits, taking away the school kids bonus, leaving the GST on tampons, and many other items that effect working women.
    ex PS
    10th Jun 2016
    6:01pm
    What happened to living within our means Bonny, or does that only apply when it is the LNP making the cuts?
    ex PS
    10th Jun 2016
    6:01pm
    What happened to living within our means Bonny, or does that only apply when it is the LNP making the cuts?
    Bonny
    10th Jun 2016
    8:49pm
    Nothing to do with living within ones means. What I don't understand is that this is not a vote catcher at all.
    Anonymous
    11th Jun 2016
    8:26am
    So now living within our means doesn't matter if a policy is a vote catcher. Hypocritical, Bonny! You keep contradicting yourself! (It's a common failing of narcissists. They don't understand truth or logic.)
    Bonny
    11th Jun 2016
    11:38am
    I agree with the Labor cuts but with their spend, spend, spend idealogy in order to win the election this will lose voters no win more.

    Family payments is out of control just like the rest of welfare spending in this country. People are living way beyond their means. Nothing shows this up better than the big rise in people using their credit cards to access cash. That's nearly on par with payday lending interest rates. Big concern is how are they ever going to pay it back?
    Captain
    13th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    Simple Bonny, they just have to get a better paying job. Is that not what your mates told us all?

    11th Jun 2016
    8:02am
    So how come aged pensions and the general attitude towards older Australians have been completely excluded from all election discussions and speeches?

    I really hope we CAN make a difference, because currently older Australians are being treated appallingly.
    Bonny
    11th Jun 2016
    11:40am
    Simply not enough votes in it as old dogs rarely hange their voting habits.
    ex PS
    16th Jun 2016
    9:01am
    Look on the bright side Rainey, maybe if the LNP gets in they may send us a box of chocolates or a bunch of flowers the morning after they finish what they are going to do to us.
    slapsy
    11th Jun 2016
    11:55am
    There has been a lot of comment,through this thread,regarding the betting odds. Can anybody remember the closing odds for the last Queensland election?
    I very much doubt that the bookies are always a good indication.
    Mez
    11th Jun 2016
    1:03pm
    One last comment and that is that as a longtime swinging voter and nurse and secondary school teacher in my mid 60's, it has been more difficult than ever to determine who to vote for.
    Firstly, I am completely disillusioned with Labour and the Greens who have let us down badly with a huge debt and lies after lies and broken promises so I do not trust anything they say no matter how good it sounds and which is what they are working on now.
    Secondly, Liberals have improved a lot since Turnbull became leader and will probably be in a better position to continue after the election with possibly the independents holding the balance of power and acting as watch dogs. However, I am wary and not happy with Labour and Liberals not doing anything to curb the Islamisation of Australia and if left unchecked, Australia will be lost to the chaos that is in Europe and everything that the ANZACS fought for will be destroyed and lost.
    Which is why I am voting for the Australian Liberty Alliance party plus some of the independents where relevant.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    2:16pm
    Mez, you show your ignorance of history when you say Labor let us down with ''huge debt''. Why do people swallow political propaganda and media lies?

    Our current debt is due primarily to the extravagance of the Howard LNP government. The Labor government inherited huge obligations for obscene tax concessions to the wealthy - like the superannuation concessions that cost more than the aged pension, and benefit the highest income earners most.

    I agree that ALA has merit. And I agree that the Islamisation of Australia has to be stopped. But please get it right on the debt issue. The primary difference between Liberal and Labor on economic management is simply that the LNP transfers wealth from the battlers to the wealthy and wants to destroy our welfare system.
    Anonymous
    12th Jun 2016
    5:46pm
    Read Huskie's post above carefully, Mez. He's dealing in FACT rather than LNP propaganda and media lies. And the FACT proves that Labor has historically done a far better job of managing our economy than the LNP. Yes, Labor spends more on health, education and welfare, because that's what makes a society strong and healthy. But they also create more jobs and generate faster GDP growth to pay for it. It's the LNP that causes economic stagnation by taking money out of the economy to give to the rich to stash in tax havens.
    Mez
    14th Jun 2016
    8:40pm
    Rainey it seems that your mind has confused facts with propaganda!
    It is also common knowledge and in print that Labour mismanaged the budget and turned a Liberal surplus into a Labour deficit.
    ex PS
    15th Jun 2016
    5:10pm
    Oh it's in print, then it must be true,LOL. All I know is as a working man I have always been better off with a Labour government in place. The only reason I have deserted them is that their values have become too close to those of the LNP.
    Mez
    11th Jun 2016
    1:04pm
    To view the ALA policies:
    australianlibertyalliance.org.au
    Justsane
    11th Jun 2016
    5:57pm
    I am reposting a link which someone posted on a related topic on this site.

    https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/policies/28

    It shows what the various federal politicians really think about the age pension.

    Interestingly, Ricky Muir was there when I first saw it, but he has disappeared. From memory, I don't think he was very sympathetic.
    ex PS
    13th Jun 2016
    9:44am
    How do you eat an Elephant?
    One mouthful at a time, retirees are ignored by the so called major parties, why, because most of them have decided who they will vote for for ever and will not change, the politicians advisers know this and this is why they advise the politicians to ignore us.
    If a majority of retirees vote against the so called major parties it may or may not change the government, what it will do is change the demographics of the voting statistics monitored by all political parties.
    All of a sudden statistics will show dissatisfaction from mature voters and the so called major parties will be forced to take heed. We don't necessarily have to change governments to help our selves, we only have to let them know that we will not be treated with contempt and are willing to express our dissatisfaction through the ballot box.
    Fellow retirees, we have nothing to lose, Coles or Woolworths, there is virtually no difference these days. We won't change their attitude to us by voting for one or the other but we will if they both learn that we are willing to vote against them to get our point across. If the majors lose 10% of their vote this election they will start to worry that they will lose the same or more next time and more the time after that, they will have to consider that bite by bite their mature voter base is slowly being swallowed up we will then become a valuable commodity to them and they will be forced to treat us with respect.
    JOHN T
    13th Jun 2016
    5:53pm
    i totally agree with your thoughts if only the seniors who will not change could be convinced to change the face of the ballot would improve for the better as at present a vote for labor will provide more social benefits for all people at a cost.A vote for the coalition will deliver Tony Abbott as pm and there would go climate change control and any hope of budget reform a senate comprising independants will offer more honest judgments on our woolworths and coles pollies
    ex PS
    14th Jun 2016
    5:04pm
    Unfortunately a vote for either of the so called major parties will only encourage them along the same selfish self absorbed path. Whilst a good kick in the pants will force them to serve the voters instead of themselves.
    I have been guilty of supporting one of the SCMP's most of my working life but having seen them morf into organisations that seem to spew the same rhetoric but couched in different terms I have decided to take a step back and look at the political values that will do retirees the most good. Coles and Woolworths don't cut it, in fact they seldom share the same views that I do on the things that are important to me.
    I am sick of seeing them pander to the redneck, racist, hillbillies who seem to make up the vocal minority. I will agree that of two bad options the LNP is the more repugnant to me personally.
    I will be voting tomorrow as I will be in Europe at voting time but I will be putting LNP last and ALP second last.


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