Changes to pensions paid overseas likely to fail

Nick Xenophon has stated that he will oppose the proposed changes to pension portability.

pensioners on a bench overseas

Nick Xenophon has stated that he will join Labor and the Greens in opposing the proposed changes to the Age Pension for those who travel overseas.

Currently, those in receipt of the Age Pension can be overseas for a period of 26 weeks before the work life residency rule is applied. This is when the Age Pension is paid pro rata depending on the number of years the individual has spent in Australia between the ages of 16 and 65. If 35 or more, the full amount of Age Pension due is paid, if less, then it will be xx 35ths of the Age Pension payment.

There is currently legislation being processed that will see the 26 weeks cut to six weeks, this has passed through the lower, but it is facing opposition from Labor and the Greens and now the Nick Xenophon Team once presented to the Senate.

This new measure is supposed to commence from 1 January 2017, but with the legislation facing now even fiercer opposition, it's unlikely to come to fruition.

What do you think? Do you oppose the changes? Will you be affected by the changes?

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    Dave R
    19th Oct 2016
    9:58am
    I think retired politicians are paid their full pension for life no matter what.
    Same should apply to everyone else.
    Sen.Cit.90
    19th Oct 2016
    12:23pm
    YES DAVE R.
    YOU GOT THAT RIGHT
    Jacky
    19th Oct 2016
    8:15pm
    Totally agree with your statement.
    PlanB
    20th Oct 2016
    4:40pm
    AND they can get it at any AGE they don't have to wait till they are 65!

    Plus they can get another high paying job AND still have their pension and their lerks too
    Old Geezer
    21st Oct 2016
    9:59am
    Retired pollies don't get the old age pension. They get a pension as part of their package for being a pollie. There pension has nothing and never will have anything to do with the OAP. OAP is welfare given to people so that the basics of life are met in old age if they haven't the means to support themselves.

    Pollies now have to wait until 55 before drawing their pension like the rest of us did.

    Polies get their pension for services rendered whereas OAPs get their OAP to keep them out of poverty. You do not have to do anything in life to get the OAP.
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2016
    2:14pm
    And retirees should receive their pension as an ENTITLEMENT for their contribution to the nation over their working years - a contribution which, in many (probably MOST) cases vastly exceeds any claimed ''contribution'' by politicians whose corruption, dishonesty, greed and inefficiency has stuffed this nation.

    We were all promised an age pension on retirement and taxed to pay for it, and most of us had little or no opportunity to acquire retirement security any other way, so we should be paid what we were promised as the ENTITLEMENT it should be recognized as.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Oct 2016
    6:08pm
    Entitlement it aint because old geezers like me don't get it. It is welfare and should be called Seniors Welfare Payment.
    kev888
    19th Oct 2016
    10:25am
    there should be no restriction on what we have paid for in taxes all our working life. the pension is our entitlement ,not welfare!. Freedom is whats been fought for and it is being diminishes every day by govt control . The pension is ours whether one chooses to live in Australia or elsewhere. If the Government have miss managed the pension contributions why are we continuing to let them do it? I ask where is the money? Can we sue the Government for miss management and lost opportunities ?
    freed1948
    19th Oct 2016
    2:45pm
    spot on mate!!!
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2016
    3:06pm
    OAP is welfare not an entitlement.
    Retired Knowall
    19th Oct 2016
    4:14pm
    If you got the pension based on what you paid in tax, you would get about half of what you get now. If it's based on what someone paid in tax, how do you account for the pensioners that have never had a job?
    Retired Knowall
    19th Oct 2016
    4:14pm
    If you got the pension based on what you paid in tax, you would get about half of what you get now. If it's based on what someone paid in tax, how do you account for the pensioners that have never had a job?
    particolor
    19th Oct 2016
    4:38pm
    I like OG's Contribution to this Conversation :-) :-)
    As usual :-)
    But his Polly Pals after a few Years of Stuffing this Country get an ENTITLEMENT !!
    Triss
    19th Oct 2016
    4:39pm
    Part of the taxes pensioners have paid over their working lives, Retired Knowall, have gone to the pensions of ex politicians and I would hazzard a guess that the majority of ex politicians didn't pay anything like the amount they're recieving in pension now.
    And, as a matter of interest, how much time has multi-multi millionaire Kevin Rudd spent out of Australia along with Hockey, Vanstone and a hoarde of others. Where has the democracy gone in this country?
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    5:03pm
    Pensions for all of retirement age regardless of income/assets. It is our RIGHT not welfare as some espouse.
    particolor
    19th Oct 2016
    5:03pm
    They like Overseas Junkets !! There's a few away at the Moment sticking their Noses in things !!
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2016
    7:33pm
    If I got back half of what I paid in tax that would do me.
    Retired Knowall
    20th Oct 2016
    11:19am
    Same here OG, but less than 10% of your taxes would have contributed to the Welfare bill. Try living on that.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Oct 2016
    6:05pm
    I could live very well on 10% of the taxes I have paid.
    Anonymous
    24th Oct 2016
    10:32am
    Commonsense tells me that the taxes I paid all my working life from the age of 15 did not go into providing a pension for me in my old age.

    It went into roads, infrastructure, health, education etc.

    To get an OAP a person would have to have contributed a hell of a lot of money in taxes and most have not.

    A person NOT getting the OAP would need to have a million dollars in the bank to get the equivalent married pension of $30K.

    So how many on this site would have contributed that much in taxes to get the OAP married pension? No one on this site I would imagine!
    grounded
    19th Oct 2016
    10:35am
    So, you were born in Australia...a ninth generation Australian, lived, worked and paid taxes here all your life....never travelled anywhere other than on a ferry to Taronga Park, and then at 65 you decide to take a 33 week; or whatever, slow boat holiday to check the rest of the planet out, and your told by a bureaucrat that you MUST do it within 26 weeks....shortly to be reduced 6 weeks, to conform.

    Go away Turnbull...and take the rest of your ratbag Communist like Government with you.

    Any Australian Pensioner who can produce an itinerary that shows they are solely domiciled in Australia...i.e. will be returning back home to Australia at itinerary expiration, should be allowed to travel and wander where ever they wish....... for a minimum of 52 weeks....and optimally 104 weeks, without having a lowlife Politician tell you how like long you can be absent from Australia before your old age person is curtailed or cancelled.
    grounded
    19th Oct 2016
    10:55am
    @OldMan. Then I stand corrected. I intend visiting Ireland early next year, and will be staying with, and visiting family/relatives....for about 8/9 months. I hope you interpretation is correct. Thanks.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    11:02am
    @ grounded, here is a part of the proposed Act:
    " The first measure was announced in the 2015 budget. From 1 January 2017, the bill will reduce from 26 to six weeks the length of time the age pension, and a small number of other payments with unlimited portability, will generally be paid at the basic means-tested rate while the person is outside Australia.

    After six weeks, payment will be made on a proportional basis according to the length of the pensioner's Australian working life residence—a concept representing the length of time the person has resided in Australia between age 16 and that of pension age.

    Pensioners overseas on the implementation date will stay under the current 26-week rule until they return to Australia. Subsequent trips will be under the new six-week rule. Those pensioners with 35 years or more of Australian working life residence, and those already exempt from the proportional payment rules—such as some recipients of the disability support pension—will not be affected."

    On reading this excerpt I would suggest that you will not be affected and can take your leisurely 33 week trip to see the world without any loss of age pension.
    cookie47
    19th Oct 2016
    11:21am
    Well said "Grounded",Im with you,after working for 55 years I dont need Turnbull telling me how long I can stay overseas
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    2:23pm
    Even if you stay with relatives overseas it doesn't mean that you need no money at all! The utility supply charges still have to be paid at home and I imagine that the relatives would be grateful if you contributed to the household in even a small way especially if you are staying 9 months.!
    Retired Knowall
    19th Oct 2016
    4:18pm
    Why should the average worker fund your overseas trip, if you can afford to go overseas you don't need the pension.
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    11:27pm
    You guys are wrong no matter if you qualify for 35 + residence you will only get the basic pension you will get about over 52 dollars less afeter 6 weeks.
    That happend to me already and this issue has been in place for a long time And I qualify for residency (45 years)
    Check with centrlink to be sure in your case
    Charlie
    19th Oct 2016
    10:49am
    Six weeks is more than long enough for a holiday overseas. The amount of pension is calculated on the cost of living in Australia also if you are living together as a married couple or single. There has to be cut off point to which you can apply an Australian cost of living, to an overseas cost of living.

    In Australia your earnings apply to reduce your pension in increments depending on how much income you are getting. Age pension in not an unconditional pension. Australia will never be able to afford an unconditional pension for everyone, unless it has been prepaid as super.
    Grateful
    19th Oct 2016
    11:10am
    How many pensioners on the full rate will be affected???
    How many pensioners on the full rate could afford a 6 month overseas holiday???
    How many pensioners on the full rate who pay rent can afford a holiday anywhere???
    Says it all.
    If you can afford a 6 months overseas holiday you clearly don't NEED that pension and should not satisfy the basic "qualification" rules anyway.

    Pensions are NOT an entitlement, one must QUALIFY, read the rules!!!
    Idontforget
    19th Oct 2016
    11:12am
    But why can't your philosophy apply to Members of Parliament. We had the recent example of a politician paying in somewhere between thirty and forty thousand dollars but has received over a million dollars in entitlements.

    But of course, to think that Politicians should be on the same entitlement level as the rest of us is only wish full thinking.

    All pensions, whether old age, Public Servants or Politicians are paid for or topped up to obscene amounts by the taxpayer.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    11:21am
    Gee Grateful, have you never heard of family? I have a neighbour who was originally from Italy and came here to work on the Snowy River Scheme. He worked most of his working life in Australia and therefore qualifies under the 35 year proposal to keep his age pension if he is overseas for an extended time.

    His children clubbed together and paid for an extended trip back to Italy to see family with whom he had kept in touch and who looked after him and his wife while they are in Italy. Under the circumstances, my neighbours still qualify for an age pension and can still go on an overseas holiday.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    11:23am
    @Idontforget, you left out the bit where that particular politician only came to our notice when he went to the courts to try and get more.
    Troubadour
    19th Oct 2016
    11:44am
    I'm with you 'Grateful' as full age pensioners - we too could not afford a holiday of several months, in fact we haven't even had one here in Australia for several years.
    And 'Old Man' some of us do not have children in a position to club together to pay for us a holiday. I guess as Italians they possibly have a big family to share the cost around! Our children have enough on their plates paying their mortgages, child care fees, utilities increases etc.,
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    11:55am
    @Troubador, I was merely pointing out that a generalisation is not always correct as yours suggesting that as my neighbour is Italian therefore must have a big family is incorrect.
    fish head
    19th Oct 2016
    12:07pm
    Charlie, the length of an overseas holiday depends very much on its purpose. Six weeks on a family visit is not excessive especially if family members are widely spread. You also have to factor in return flight dates. I got trapped an extra 3 weeks in the UK on my last visit. Yes it was peak Xmas period but I had promised to be present for a birthday after 10 years. I shall not repeat that again. All my cards had to be reapplied for and the stress of that did for my improved blood pressure levels.Was I aware of the limitations? No but I am now. Still cranky.
    Idontforget
    19th Oct 2016
    12:08pm
    Thank you 'old man' There are so many reports of Politicians with their snouts in the trough that I had forgotten where that came from.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    10:08pm
    Charlie, who the hell are you to dictate how long is reasonable for someone to stay overseas? My neighbour can't fly so will need 23 days to reach is son overseas and 27 days to return by boat. His planned trip is a ''once in a lifetime''. He's highly unlikely to ever be able to do it again. And his living costs will be high because his son is struggling to support a family and Dad will have to pay his own way and then some. Why the hell should he suffer for wanting to spend a decent amount of time with the family he loves? How cruel some people here are with their arrogant, baseless assumptions!
    marls
    19th Oct 2016
    11:04am
    people how have worked and paid taxes and entitled to a pension should have no restrictions on where they live
    Marten
    19th Oct 2016
    2:45pm
    Exactly my sentiments! With family living in various parts of Europe 6 weeks is definitely not sufficient. I consider there is no difference between pensioners travelling north during the cold winter months for often more than 3 months and pensioners going overseas for an extended period.
    Retired Knowall
    19th Oct 2016
    4:20pm
    What about those that have never had a job?
    How much of your tax went towards your pension?
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    5:09pm
    Retired Knowall. Those ,which account for a large number of pensioners, who have never worked or paid little or no tax during their "productive" years are always the first to complain. They moan about retirees that have accumulated some wealth because of their own endeavours and spout nonsense that these people should not be receiving a pension.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    19th Oct 2016
    11:05am
    Given politicians have tax payers contribute 15.4% of earnings to their lifetime super (irregardless of their contributions), and everyone else's employer only has to contribute 9.5% (which smokin' Joe froze until 2020 before 'swanning' off to Washington), then asking a politician to identify with the rest of us about superannuation is just not possible. In addition, they are able to take up to 10 taxpayer funded flights a year, for life, (including overseas trips), I'd suggest they forfeit their parliamentary pension, not just whilst they are overseas, but for the full period they are away from their home base. EVERYTHING THEY DO TO OUR SUPERANNUATION MUST BE IMMEDIATELY APPLIED TO THEIRS. NO IF's, NO BUTT's.
    buby
    20th Oct 2016
    9:33pm
    i so totally agree with you there WaitingToRetire.
    Whats good for them is good for us.

    YOU know them pollies have lost lots of our monies, and wasted it willy nilly.
    they are draining us like we are loaded or something. While they engage in jobs overseas and get paid an aussie pension. WEll its got to stop.
    IN Canada, my cousin gets her super Annuation, AS well as her canadian pension. As many do over there.
    HOw is it they can't seem to manage our hard earned bucks here.
    And so it seems we going to go into recession, Why is this! Again, they are not managing the money very well. I"M stunned, they all need to go back to school and work out how to budget.
    I do it very well, and i didn't learn it at school.
    Why can't they?? They not smart enough. Just shifty enough??
    Not Senile Yet!
    19th Oct 2016
    11:23am
    DISCRIMINATION.....Thats what it is!
    If the travel restrictions for Australian Citizens were all the Same....it is a removal of your rights as a Citizen...What makes any restriction unfair is that it only applies to a Select group....making it Illegal under our own Dicrimination Laws!
    STOP VOTING FOR PARTY PUPPETS!
    They all need the SACK!
    KSS
    19th Oct 2016
    3:58pm
    In that case you would also support those on the dole also being able to go overseas for 6 months at the tax payers expense. As it is they cannot go for more than 2 weeks (I think) without losing their welfare payment.
    Retired
    19th Oct 2016
    11:38am
    Any changes to the Age Pension, Medicare and Education made by the Coalition Govt should only apply to Coalition Voters.
    particolor
    19th Oct 2016
    4:41pm
    I like that !!:-) Full Marks :-) :-)
    Paddyschic
    19th Oct 2016
    11:52am
    My husband and I recently took a 75 day cruise. After 6 weeks our supplementary payments were stopped until we returned to Australia. Needless to say our electricity company didn't stop charging us nor did Telstra. According to some we shouldn't be taking such a long holiday as we are age pensioners and shouldn't be able to afford a long overseas holiday. I paid taxes all my working life and didn't receive half the benefits that today's generation does. There was no child care benefit, no family tax benefit o first home buyer schemes. We had what we could afford to pay for. Now in our older age it seems we are meant to pay for getting old.
    KSS
    19th Oct 2016
    12:56pm
    Given you were not at home you are not using the electricity or the phone so no usage charges or call charges were run up. Why then do think you should continue to receive supplementary payments to help cover costs you actually did not incur?
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    2:20pm
    KSS phone/internet bundle costs the same whether you use it or not, don't forget the basic supply charge still stands for all utilities. With the exorbitant prices we are charged for utilities in Australia and the amount of money the govt wastes , a couple of months of supplementary payments would be negligible.
    buby
    20th Oct 2016
    9:38pm
    Yes paddy so it seems, you should be able to go away for a holiday, and actually i believe if you wanted your utilities they should be able to be stopped until your return. YOU could do that once upon a time. But i guess they getting greedy too. Its getting harder and harder Its sucks being penalised the way we are.
    HOw rude are they?
    Needy
    19th Oct 2016
    11:58am
    If they are not in Australia spending their pension then they should only get 6 weeks, a holiday, pension paid to them.
    Not a Bludger
    19th Oct 2016
    12:02pm
    Just another commonsense change.

    Why should my taxes fund someone who chooses not to live in Australia?
    Idontforget
    19th Oct 2016
    12:11pm
    And of course, that should apply to Politicians who choose to live overseas on their retirement. But it wont, rest assured.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    2:25pm
    People should be entitled to spend their pension overseas where it probably goes a lot further than it does in overpriced Australia. Sour grapes NAB!?
    Retired Knowall
    19th Oct 2016
    4:25pm
    Welfare is and always has been regulated by the Government of the day, if you want to live a carefree life, get off the public teat and fund your own retirement.
    Triss
    19th Oct 2016
    4:56pm
    But why, Retired Knowall, is the Age Pension the only pension that is classed as welfare. All pensions come out of the same public purse so why aren't ex teachers, ex nurses, ex judges and the rest classed as welfare recipients? Presumably the government needs a piggy bank amount to play with. Age Pensioners, for instance, can have their pensions stopped until they're 70 and that money will stay in that piggy bank to pay the next wave of politicians, bureaucrats, etc who need huge pensions
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    11:39pm
    It would be better if The Government ceased all FOREIGN AID going to people who do not live in Australia. I have paid my dues and will choose to live wherever I like and take my entitlement (pension)with me.
    Retired Knowall
    20th Oct 2016
    11:25am
    Oh dear Triss, Public servants have always paid into a Super Fund, so they get their own money back, not funded by the taxpayer.
    Aussie
    20th Oct 2016
    5:29pm
    Not a Bludger ....what in hell you are saying ???? are you an Idiot ????

    We all pay big taxes over the years and support other pensioners and unemployed people (As you are saying) for over 45+ years of my work.

    Now is my turn to relax and live slow life and happy.
    You are very self centre in your thinking and does not goes over you nose ..... Just think maybe you are one of those rich liberals or maybe old politician with big pension and rentals.

    And remember you also pay for others Ummmmmmm maybe did you ever work ???? and pay taxes ???? I just wonder

    I hate people like you with very narrow thinking .... Just Think before you open your mouth
    Spondonian
    8th Feb 2017
    10:07am
    If we did that our Pension sceme would fall apart as all the Countries that pay their ex citizens pensions would do the same. The UK is subsidising the Ajustralian pension for millions of ex citizens that live here. I worked for 23yrs in UK and 27yrs in Australia , thanks to Australian Pension rules I get more pension from Uk than I get flrom here, plus I can live anywhere in the world and the UK will still pay me my pension and Australia wont me theirs although I payed alot more taxes here. Australia with its rules about living here for so many years is disciminating against migrants that they wanted to fill their lack of trades people to build this country and now want to back out of the Rights they told us we would get.
    Needy
    19th Oct 2016
    12:10pm
    Definitely only give retired people, including polititions, the same pensions.
    The pollies thought the amount paid to pensioners was enough to live on so they should be able to live on it too. If they don't think this then they must do something about it while they are Pollies.
    Needy
    19th Oct 2016
    10:30pm
    Politicians are the same people as my polititions. Some people may not understand this.
    Chrissy L
    19th Oct 2016
    12:16pm
    I am so fed up of this Government targeting Pensioners. This is just another ploy to stop Pensioners spending their well earned nest eggs, so the Government don't have to pay out on Pensions we have paid in for all our lives. "Mr Turnbully" it is about time you found some extra money to help fix your deficit from your colleagues or rich mates, give the plebiscite the flick, you know the outcome already. Leave the Pensioners alone to enjoy what is left of the rest of our lives. Good on you Nick Xenophon - stick it to Bully & Co.
    Needy
    19th Oct 2016
    12:26pm
    It is not necessary to call them names. We, the pensioners, are above that. We didn't grow up in a time where name calling was used. Stay above it and let the Polititions do the name calling about each other.
    thommo
    19th Oct 2016
    12:26pm
    good on you Chrissy. Well said.
    Retired Knowall
    19th Oct 2016
    4:27pm
    Learn how to spell Needy.
    particolor
    19th Oct 2016
    4:56pm
    UH OH !! Vocabulary Cops !!
    Triss
    19th Oct 2016
    4:58pm
    Put a comma between spell and Needy, Retired Knowall.
    particolor
    19th Oct 2016
    4:58pm
    Those Politit's are copping it here :-) :-)
    jeffr
    19th Oct 2016
    6:28pm
    Perhaps Needy meant to write Pollution"s, the description is close enough to Politician"s and has the same meaning.
    buby
    20th Oct 2016
    9:42pm
    and your right Chrissy L
    am so fed up of this Government targeting Pensioners. This is just another ploy to stop Pensioners spending their well earned nest eggs, so the Government don't have to pay out on Pensions we have paid in for all our lives. "Mr Turnbully"
    I"M FED UP too

    and NEEDY i'll call them anything i want, don't lecture me thanks
    Charlie
    19th Oct 2016
    12:22pm
    There is no point in making a comparison with politicians because their money and working conditions and retirement conditions is part of the job they do.
    You can complain that they get too much and they probably do, but this is not a communist country, so we don't all have to get the same wages, wear the same clothes, drive the same cars and get the same salary package.
    Triss
    19th Oct 2016
    5:01pm
    I don't agree with you, Charlie, the huge salary rises and huge pensions politicans awarded themselves were not agreed to by their employers, us. In my opinion they are guilty of embezzlement.
    Retired Knowall
    20th Oct 2016
    11:28am
    Their salaries are determined by an INDEPENDENT body. If you think they have it so good, put yourself up for election and make the changes you want.
    particolor
    26th Oct 2016
    10:28am
    INDEPENDENT body..:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
    thommo
    19th Oct 2016
    12:24pm
    Well what about the new age pension assets test which apply from 1.1.17. This is the most unfair and iniquitous change this govt has ever made and the million pensioners adversely affect will reek their revenge at the next election.
    Why can't Xenaphon and his other Senate colleagues force the government to reverse these changes?
    Travelling Man
    19th Oct 2016
    1:25pm
    Well said, Thommo, and how right you are. People like you and I no doubt made countless monetary and social sacrifices to pay off how homes and after this salary sacrificed until our retirement so that we could live in moderate comfort and style and afford a holiday whenever we wished. And now this wasteful government sees us as a sitting target to pad out their Consolidated Revenue deficit. I shake my head in disgust! Nick Zenaphon should add this matter to his growing list of pensioner grievances.
    thommo
    19th Oct 2016
    1:56pm
    Thanks Travelling Man.....
    Retired Knowall
    19th Oct 2016
    4:28pm
    On balance it seems pretty fair to me.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    10:17pm
    You are so right, thommo. Those affected have suffered hideous discrimination and unfairness. No other group of Australians have had their lifestyle so viciously attacked - and why? Merely because they tried to be self-sufficient (and would have been if not for bad economic management by politicians who pay themselves boat loads of money to stuff up other people's lives).

    No, Retired Knowall. It's NOT FAIR. It's WRONG by every decent common-sense standard, and only those not affected support the changes. But watch the supporters scream and belly ache if THEIR lifestyle is attacked. As usual, it's all okay as long as it hurts someone else. Selfishness is as insidious disease that has destroyed the Australia I grew up in.
    Retired Knowall
    20th Oct 2016
    11:31am
    So I guess you are bellyaching because it now affects you. I've got some news for you, one way or another, it's going to affect everyone.
    Some will cry "Oh Poor Me" others will get on with life and adjust.
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2016
    2:18pm
    No, Retired Knowall, it doesn't affect me, but unlike many I have empathy and respect for others and a sense of decency and justice. WRONG IS WRONG no matter who it affects. Sadly, most are too selfish to speak out against wrong unless it hurts them personally.
    stekmer
    19th Oct 2016
    12:46pm
    From my reading of it - If you have lived (and worked) in Australia for 35 years between age 16 and 65 there is no limit to entitlement and the pension is continued to be paid after 26 weeks.
    If you have lived and worked in Australia for less - there is a pro-rata reduction.
    Sounds perfectly fair and reasonable to me.
    freed1948
    19th Oct 2016
    2:59pm
    Yes, but if you qualified for a full pension before the 35 years replaced the 25 years. I qualified for the full pension,apart from the age part by the time I reached 45 years of age.
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2016
    3:09pm
    I agree stekmer.
    Rae
    19th Oct 2016
    4:11pm
    I think the big problem is immigrants going home with full pensions from our taxpayers. With the millions of new immigrants over the past decade it is no longer affordable.

    There was always going to be lots of costs when we increased the population from 12 million to 24 million and growing.

    If you want to holiday overseas for longer than six weeks you can, if you have worked here all your life but if not you have to pay for it yourself. You can reapply when you get back.

    I worked at up to two jobs for 45 years and get no support at all from the taxpayer. If I want to travel I have to save up and pay for it all myself.
    MarLin
    19th Oct 2016
    12:52pm
    Some people use the phrase, "Those who CHOOSE to live overseas", and I wonder if they've given it any real thought? My wife and I CHOOSE to live overseas for one day less than six months every year for several reasons: she was born overseas and has family that she likes to keep in close contact with; her father is bedridden and she shares the caring duties with her only sister; and most importantly, we as a couple are able to save a little money while we're overseas (because the cost of living is much cheaper there than in Australia - at the moment, anyway), which gives us a better quality of life for the six months that we're in Australia (by "better quality" I don't mean having a motor car, eating in restaurants or many of the other little "luxuries" that many take for granted - any spare money we have goes to our favourite orphanage).
    So yes, we CHOOSE to live overseas for part of the year - but for what we consider to be very justifiable reasons. That said, when the cost of living in Vietnam reaches the same level as here, and/or when her father dies, then none of the above will apply to us - but I'd ask people to still please think about such things before jumping to the conclusion that everyone CHOOSING to live overseas is living "high on the hog", because it's definitely not always the case!
    phantom
    19th Oct 2016
    12:59pm
    A lot of people migrate here for 8 years, working or not, they can retire and have their pension sent to another country for life. We can't afford it. Labor are going to vote against everything just for the sake of it. They are trying to gain points for the next election.
    Rae
    19th Oct 2016
    4:20pm
    Yes with the increase from 12 million to 24 million something will have to give.

    So far it is the defined benefit pensioners giving up part pensions and benefits and soon the accumulation fund pensioners to have benefits removed.

    I don't understand Labor okaying these changes for Australian workers but insisting immigrants can return home at Australian worker's expense. It doesn't make sense.

    It is totally unaffordable and unsustainable.
    particolor
    19th Oct 2016
    5:19pm
    Labor is still paying Abbott back for his No ! No !! No !!! :-) :-)
    And will for Many More Years I think :-)
    HDRider
    19th Oct 2016
    1:14pm
    Well, a lot of differing opinions here on this one. Those who agree with the new legislation, I guess you WILL agree that an Australian Citizen who has worked overseas and at home is entitled to both the pensions from both countries if he or she remains in Australia. This of course WITHOUT being taxed and/or being penalised in any way by Centrelink or the govt?
    The fact that we have worked all our working life and receive a govt pension is because that was the deal when we started work, some of us did better than others. given that fact, does that give the better off ones the right to condemn the poorer ones that rely on the original deal?
    I see a few Thatherites in here, this used to be a great country of equals, now, more than ever, it is full of eliteists and would be's! Hell yeah, lets keep the poor people poor and have them suffer for us better off ones who really believe we walk on water.
    Go Nick and labor shut this billionaire bawbag and his rich scumbag mates down and get some real people in there!
    KSS
    19th Oct 2016
    4:03pm
    It would depend on the rules of the host country HDRider. e.g. many countries allow you to withdraw your super when you leave the country Australia is one of them! In such cases the Australian having worked overseas and brought their super earned there back as a lump sum (or spent it) would NOT get a pension from those countries as you assume. Nor does every other country have a pension scheme in the first place.
    Rae
    19th Oct 2016
    4:27pm
    Obviously it does allow original deals to be condemned HD. In fact there are tens of thousands of defined pensioners right now whose deals were condemned back at the beginning of this year and hundreds of thousands whose deals are condemned from the beginning of next year.

    19th Oct 2016
    1:22pm
    Inequities between politicians and working people. These greedy slime in government should live by the same rules of retirement as a non-federal employee and the sancrosant ones implemented by government for government.
    HDRider
    19th Oct 2016
    1:25pm
    Well said indeed!
    Triss
    19th Oct 2016
    5:10pm
    Have you told them, Fast Eddie? Their worry is always that they might lose their comfy seats and salary. Tell them you will not be voting for them and see how their opinions change.
    And, yes, I'm doing that. A letter [not an emai] is being sent from me to tell them that I will not be voting in their favour and why. It will be interesting to see if I get a reply.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    8:23pm
    Yes, Triss, I have sent letters to Llew O'Brien and Barry O'Sullivan,after getting pre-election letters from them, asking why retired people are being penalised for the inept government's financial mismanagement and why aren't Age Pensions on a more equitable scale with that of politicians who have retired from government positions. I received no confirmation of receipt of my letters, nor answers to either one of them. Another example of the blind and deaf in office who don't give a damn for the voter, except when it comes to grovelling to them for their vote.
    These lowlife, egotistic, bludging freeloaders have not an ounce of compassion, common sense, or interest in this country's citizens and only care about themselves while the country is going to the sh_thouse. Absolutely pathetic!!
    KSS
    19th Oct 2016
    1:30pm
    I have absolutely no problem with the Government using taxpayers money (my money) to provide financial support to those who cannot support themselves - as a safety net! What I do have issues with is continuing to give financial support to those who make a lifestyle choice and expect the taxpayer to support that choice.

    If someone can afford to take a six month holiday overseas (or in Australia for that matter) then they clearly do NOT need financial support. I don't care how many members of their family are overseas - for the record, ALL my family are overseas - I don't care whether they want to see their grandchildren grow up, their son hasn't been back to Australia for years or their daughter needs help with her kids, the fact is, the age pension is not a lifestyle payment for people to spend how they wish. It is a welfare payment given to those who qualify on the grounds they cannot support themselves. It is a safety net NOT a license to buy airline tickets. As others have said, if they can afford the long holiday they do NOT need the age pension.

    Being allowed 6 weeks holiday overseas is more than generous and more than enough time to catch up with family. The ONLY exception should be for sickness or injury of the pension recipient that prevents them from travelling back to Australia or perhaps the sudden unexpected death of a close family member where the return travel may be delayed to after the funeral.

    The number of people on this thread who think they are entitled even to supplementary payments whilst not in Australia is really quite staggering especially when they claim to have 'paid my taxes' as though this is the only criteria necessary to draw on the public purse. Moaning about the super arrangements of politicians is ridiculous; their super is part of their salary package and they are not the only ones to have a more generous package than most of us. Taking their super will NOT increase the pension nor should/would it fund the overseas lifestyle choices of those who choose to leave.

    If you are self-funding your retirement - fine go for your life do what you want where you want, but it is disingenuous to claim on the one hand that the pension is too low and X% live in poverty one day, and fight for the right to go overseas on a six month holiday and expect it to continue to be paid on the other.
    McGroger
    19th Oct 2016
    2:00pm
    I can’t reconcile this:

    “The number of people on this thread who think they are entitled even to supplementary payments whilst not in Australia is really quite staggering especially when they claim to have 'paid my taxes' as though this is the only criteria necessary to draw on the public purse.”

    With this, by Old Man at 11.02:

    “Those pensioners with 35 years or more of Australian working life residence, and those already exempt from the proportional payment rules—such as some recipients of the disability support pension—will not be affected."

    It seems the Government believes payment of taxes does make a difference.
    KSS
    19th Oct 2016
    2:08pm
    because McGregger, paying taxes does not 'entitle' anyone to an age pension. If it did everyone would get the age pension but we don't. You have to qualify and there is a list of criteria one of which is meeting the asset test for example, as is residency.
    McGroger
    19th Oct 2016
    3:01pm
    KSS, please respect my username, I had to drink a lot to earn it. Friends may shorten it to Groger, close friends to Grog.
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2016
    3:13pm
    Too many people think they can live in Australia for 5 minutes and then get the OAP to live where ever they wish in the world. This is not on at all. Good move by the government. Let's hope that sanity prevails.
    KSS
    19th Oct 2016
    4:05pm
    Apologies McGroger for the name change.
    MarLin
    19th Oct 2016
    4:10pm
    KSS (and anyone else who thinks that way) - please read my post higher up the chain. If you think caring for a bedridden geriatric is a holiday, then I'd urge you to think again as wiping someone backside whenever they "leak" is no fun at all, I can assure you! I gave up smoking and we both gave up drinking alcohol and eating out, then sold our car, so we can afford the budget "cattle class" (long stopovers) airfares Sydney-Saigon via various other places, whichever is cheapest, to care for my wife's bedridden father and give her long-suffering sister a much-needed break. We'd hire a carer but can't afford it - hence our "holidays" as you call them!
    We're self-funded retirees and only posted on this thread to try and introduce some "kind thoughts" to those who seem to automatically resent anyone going overseas, regardless of the reason.
    We're all different and all have different circumstances, so please bear that in mind before "crucifying" others, including those who are trying to do the right thing by family members who can't do it themselves.
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    5:25pm
    Hi there KSS,

    So you know I am very very happy with my reduced pension (Is all I have) in Overseas holidays in Asian countries all I had to do is adjust a bit to the commodities I have in AU. and I live very well and happy.
    Also I fulfilled the residency requirements of over 35 years so I am OK.

    For those that complain I have to agreed with you if you have lots of money (Rental Super +++) and also get the pension while overseas is not right the new measurements are correct no complains here at all.

    Please read my post about the 6 weeks issue - 6 weeks reduction already been in place for a long time after 6 weeks OS I get cut off to the Min even if I fulfill the residency requirements So I am not sure what people are talking about the 6 weeks here
    Triss
    19th Oct 2016
    8:56pm
    This is what I complain about, KSS and McGroger, the Age Pension and pensioners are regarded as different from pensioners in public service who get a pension as of right often at 60. They can pull in that pension and take a job as well which age pensioners can't unless they lose part of their pension. They can go overseas without losing out on payments, they can have a millionaire spouse. To me that is not democratic and it is discrimination of the worst kind.
    Sundays
    19th Oct 2016
    9:32pm
    Triss, you do realise that public servants including, teachers, nurses, police officers and clerical workers have to put in 5% of their after tax dollars for their whole working lives. Often, they found this hard but it was compulsory! They contributed tax as well. On retirement they receive their superannuation contributions back plus interest and the employer contribution. How can you possibly see this as discrimination. It just can't be compared to the OAP
    4b2
    19th Oct 2016
    1:42pm
    O' come on they have a mandate for this?
    particolor
    19th Oct 2016
    5:22pm
    And the same for SSM !! :-)
    micko
    19th Oct 2016
    1:59pm
    If you've done your 35 year hard grind in Australia, you can retire anywhere in the world and still receive the OAP less the supplementary component. That's fair, why should you have to continue to struggle paying bills making landlords, supermarkets, utility companies, petrol companies, GPs, pharmaceutical companies etc huge profits when your OAP can go a lot further in Bali, Thailand or wherever else you might find a better retirement
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    2:15pm
    Right! you should be able to spend your pension where it goes the furthest and that wont be in Australia!
    downunder
    19th Oct 2016
    2:07pm
    I certainly oppose these changes, just another kick in the guts of old age pensioners that have worked their life-long and paid taxes. This LNP government just stinks. Thank Nick Xenophon, LNP and Greens to take up our course
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2016
    3:11pm
    If you are a genuine OAP that need the pension nothing would have changed for you. If however you have more than enough assets to live without the OAP then you should not have been getting it in the first place. OAP is designed to keep old people out of poverty by paying enough for the basics of life.
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    5:33pm
    Hey G'day Old Geezer,
    Now you are making sense ....

    I am one of those and very happy OS extended holidays with a reduced pension (After 6 weeks) no complains here at all.

    Read my post about the 6 weeks issue ..... Is already in place and has been for a long time my pension gets cut off to Min after 6 weeks OS so this is already in place by Centrelink.
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    5:37pm
    Old Geezer none of your business what assets others have. They should be ENTILTED to a FULL PENSION. Poverty in this Country does not exist and is an illusion. Many pensioners have squandered their money, yet these same people expect to be treated more favourably when it comes to the pension. No sob stories please.
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    5:49pm
    wo wo wo wo niemakawa

    There is no poverty in this country ????? maybe you are comparing with poverty in another country and if that is the case your statement is correct but lets get real here and consider this ......

    To measure poverty you need to assess the country you live on and the basic living standards in the country for example a poor people in other countries do not have TV well according to our standards a poor person can afford a TV (Maybe old TV and Black and White but is a TV)

    So get real and look the country you live on now and learn the standard of living we have then assess the poor people of this country .... YES WE HAVE POOR PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA ....

    About the pension please explain why a person that have rental properties good healthy super and other incomes is entitled to a full pension ????? You the one is having ILLUSIONS ...... Get real and read, Learn about the country you live on and then make statements that make sense not an absolute ignorant statements you been making in this forum.

    You want to report me for this statement ...please do so but will not change my opinion about you
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    5:53pm
    Aussie you like so many pensioners that have achieved little in a lifetime are the ignorant ones. I stick by more original comment.
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    6:01pm
    niemakawa

    He he he he ...you really make me laugh big time ... I have been living on welfare all my life he he he he ...... Ok that will make you happy now you know my reality (Special for you ...pls do not tell anybody) ...

    You really need to go back to school and learn about this beautiful country that has accepted you
    Be happy in AU is a great country He He He He ...maybe not for you

    See you I am not wasting my time with people like you ...
    Bye Bye he he he he
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    6:05pm
    Aussie, how juvenile. Typical of many of your ilk. I accepted the offer from the Country they asked me to come. Now go back and play.
    Old Geezer
    21st Oct 2016
    9:54am
    Poverty is not getting enough to eat, having no clothes and sleeping in the rain. Anything else is a luxury.
    Mad as Hell
    19th Oct 2016
    2:12pm
    Another reason to NEVER EVER VOTE LIBERAL
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    5:36pm
    I never vote Liberal ..... I am Democrat but they are dead now so Labor or Independent is my best bet.

    BUT NEVER LIBERAL >>>EVER >>>EVER
    Mad as Hell
    19th Oct 2016
    6:14pm
    And it was with the help of the GREENS that the LIBERALS got the changes to the ASSET TESTS

    NEVER EVER VOTE LIBERAL OR GREENS
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    6:20pm
    Totally agree mate ...Greedy bastards ..... They are not Liberal they are THE COMMUNIST Party they should change the name to the "Commi Bastard Coalition" CBC
    Alexii
    19th Oct 2016
    8:14pm
    I voted for Greens until they betrayed pensioners in regard to the assets test. That was a ow life thing to do.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    10:11pm
    Me too, Alexii. They asked me to renew my membership and I told them where to put it and what I thought of them. The caller said there is concern in Canberra that they stuffed up. Too late, fools!
    Rae
    23rd Oct 2016
    11:32am
    Yes stuff up is right Rainey.

    I can't wait until the first defined benefit class action demands to know firstly where the money all went and secondly why they can't have the 16X pension as a cash withdrawal now the rules have changed. Getting out of that locked in rip off would be pretty damn good about now.
    floss
    19th Oct 2016
    2:50pm
    Don't blame me I voted Labor.
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2016
    3:19pm
    Six weeks should be ample for anyone to go overseas for a holiday. If you want to go longer then why should the Australian taxpayer provide you with support to spend outside of Australia?
    MarLin
    19th Oct 2016
    4:20pm
    We're not always talking about holidays, OG - there are many other reasons for people travelling o/s (see my posts higher up the chain for example).
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    5:32pm
    Old Gezzer: Get on with your boring life. You are just a jealous old geezer.
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2016
    7:36pm
    Yeah I am so jealous of people getting the OAP and dealing with Centrelink. It is simple if you live overseas then you should not be getting the Australian OAP.
    Pancake
    19th Oct 2016
    3:40pm
    I agree with what the Government is doing. AirBNB can help you earn a bit of money while you are away on your long trip. I would be quite happy to live overseas in a developing country and receive the base old age pension that is indexed twice a year. Remember it's just the ancillary payments that are ceased and I am sure the less use of water, gas and electricity would far outweigh what you are losing. Be pragmatic and not pig headed. Love this country of mine.
    bobby
    19th Oct 2016
    4:48pm
    Turnbull and his Treasurer are having a ball. "We must save money, so let's hit the pensioner"

    I don't see any suggestion that the pollies' exorbitant pensions be reduced or that gold pass entitlements be cut ?? Politicians pay only $ thousands into super but receive $millions in benefits. The pollies should suffer cuts if pensioners have to.
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    4:56pm
    Are you all don't know that 6 weeks is already in place and active ?????
    I have a full pension (in Australia over 45 years) but after 6 weeks I only get the min allowed of 797.90 pension plus only 22.70 suplement which is a reduction of 56.50 dollars a forthnigth.
    So what in hell u lot talking about I amm allow a full pension of 877.10 staying overseas for onky 6 weeks and I fulfill the residency requirements of over 35 years
    6 WEEEKS SLREADY APPLY FOR A LONG TIME
    niemakawa
    19th Oct 2016
    5:13pm
    Even after 26 weeks there should be no cut in pension for anyone living or taking an extended holiday overseas. Too bad for those that have done nothing when they had the opportunity to save or invest, that is their fault. No sob stories please.
    HDRider
    19th Oct 2016
    5:56pm
    KSS: you really need to read what I wrote, already you get it wrong! I'm aware of countries that pay there govt's pension overseas. Italy and UK are two of them, and I was refering to countries that pay overseas. UK would be one,they dont have a problem, our govt though wants a slice of that also if you are receiving a pension here. Yet our Govt don't want to pay ours overseas! So, our govt wants it's bred buttered both sides.
    The very people who are attempting to make all these new rules though receive a TAX PAYER funded pension and perks plus their own private ones, plus some have millions in cash and assets! Why would any sane person, no matter how wealthy not have a little problem with this, other than a retired pollie of course.
    KSS
    20th Oct 2016
    7:45am
    Oh dear HDRider, you really do need to be a little more gracious. Of course the Australian Government will take into account ANY money you receive when deciding whether you meet the age pension criteria. If that includes a pension from overseas, a pension fund you may have paid into anywhere, interest on bank accounts and so on that is fair enough. Why are you complaining about that?

    People need to get their 'wants' in order before starting the fight. Seems to me you are more interested in the level of the pension and whether you have enough to live on. Fair enough, then fight for that and make it count. Continuing the argument in favour of living overseas at the tax payers expense and continually belittling those in Parliament and their pension scheme will get you nowhere.
    floss
    19th Oct 2016
    6:03pm
    I have read most of the comments and Rae is a mile in front.
    Rae
    19th Oct 2016
    7:12pm
    Thanks looney. That is a real nice comment and I appreciate it.
    Alexii
    19th Oct 2016
    8:12pm
    We shouldn't be subjected to a stop in our pension just because we go on a well earned trip overseas. Politicians don't get penalised like that.
    Rae
    20th Oct 2016
    7:34am
    Look out you don't save too much Alexii or own anything or you won't get a pension at all anymore. Seems having any well earned anything is against the LNPs ideals now.
    Chrissy L
    19th Oct 2016
    8:18pm
    Needy, if someone is a 'bully' they NEED to be told. I am not being flippant. I wasn't born with a silver spoon. What I have (which is not a lot) is from hard work and saving for the future. Pensioners ARE being bullied! We are an easy target. We have worked, paid taxes, had minimal child care benefits, coped with high interest rates to buy our homes and now as we are in retirement, the game has changed, the rules are changing all the time. How can we plan to have enough to see us out before we turn up our toes! Wake up, enough is enough. There are many corporate and political wealthy that could well contribute to our economy before us. A good democratic country looks after it's elderly not fleeces it.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    10:08pm
    Well said, Chrissy L. You are absolutely correct.
    Mad as Hell
    19th Oct 2016
    9:08pm
    This is a smoke screen it won't pass the senate. It will look like a win for the pensioners. In the mean time the January 2017 Assets Tests gets a free ride. Put the pressure on Malcom and company to do a Bairdflip or loose the next election.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2016
    10:18pm
    Yes, Mad as hell. There SHOULD be a backflip.
    Trevine
    19th Oct 2016
    10:21pm
    I fully agree with Dave
    Spud
    19th Oct 2016
    10:25pm
    Did anybody actually READ the article and fully understand it?
    Chrissy L
    19th Oct 2016
    10:52pm
    Good on you Rainey, at last someone who has some common sense and compassion. Keep it going!!
    Aussie
    19th Oct 2016
    11:46pm
    Please Please you experts in Centrelink, pension issues and legislations Pretty please STOP telling others that they can go Overseas and the pension is not affected .....

    "IS ALL WRONG THE PENSION IS AFFECTED AFTER 6 WEEKS NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU LIVE IN AUSTRALIA"

    You do not lose your pension but the pension is reduced to the minimum after 6 weeks only if you have been resident for 35 years or more if not then is a proportional reduction (Check Centrelink site).

    I post this earlier .......

    I have a full pension (in Australia over 45 years) but after 6 weeks I only get the min allowed of 797.90 pension plus only 22.70 supplement which is a reduction of 56.50 dollars a fortnight.

    So please do not tell people that the pension is not affected 56.50 overseas is a lot of money specially if you are in Asian countries for example in Thailand this is 40% of your monthly rental (1,472.39 Baht) or possibly your weekly food ......... so please DO NOT MAKE COMMENTS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT AND ONLY ASSUME AND CREATE FAULT EXPECTATIONS.
    KSS
    20th Oct 2016
    7:49am
    Aussie you are losing supplementary payments intended to help with the cost of living in Australia. If you are NOT in Australia, you do not get them because you don't need them to cover Australian cost you are NOT paying. Simple.
    Aussie
    20th Oct 2016
    7:56am
    KSS
    I know and I do not complain at all it is correct to cut down the pension no problems there.

    What I am saying is that many people in this forum provide advice to others and is incorrect and may create false expectations.

    The 6 weeks issue has been in operation from a long time is not a new issue my pension gets cut every 6 weeks (No complains) is just that people think that the complete pension remains Ok for 26 weeks ....That is not true ...6 weeks and gets cut off or reduced.

    The minimum supplement that is allowed is 22.70 x fortnight

    I am happy with what I get no complains at all when I am on holidays like I am now and the pension gets reduced I am saving money for the Gov. Budget
    Rosret
    20th Oct 2016
    6:50am
    The question you should ask here is why are they introducing this amendment.
    We have become a multicultural nation with a large portion whose roots belong in their homeland and not here. They qualify for the aged pension with little or no contribution to our GNP and then return to their homeland. That puts an enormous burden on our welfare system.
    Its not about holidays overseas so much as people going back to live and support their families in a foreign country.
    There needs to be a pro rata system of some sort otherwise Australia is just going to get fleeced.
    Then of course, on Australia's economic situation, if the money given from Australian coffers is spent in Australia then it all comes back here. However that's where the Liberal party has it wrong. The Pension is an entitlement for years of service or contribution to our society, not welfare.
    Rae
    20th Oct 2016
    7:44am
    It can't be an entitlement Rosret when a whole lot of us that gave years of service or contribution are not allowed to have any pension or supplements at all.

    You are right about the problem of immigrants returning to much less expensive countries in retirement though.

    Rather than fix the ridiculous costs of everything in Australia our politicians pull this stunt. Typical.
    Rosret
    20th Oct 2016
    11:38am
    The vast majority of Australian workers may have paid 9% of their salary over x years still will need to rely on the pension as a supplement because as someone said, "9% of virtually nothing is less than virtually nothing." No such thing as compound interest anymore. Just hedge fund money manipulators.
    Most pensioners can't afford long overseas trips unless they are going to family.
    Anonymous
    24th Oct 2016
    10:34am
    Go on a cruise and you will see heaps of people who are on part pensions.
    Ed
    20th Oct 2016
    7:02am
    What a start to my day,I'm gobsmacked !! I just read that 23 pollies have flown to Paris,Business class return for a 2 day junket costing us,the taxpayer,$215.000.00.The reason?
    to attend a conference on how they can save money.!!! and they want to cut our entitlements .Don't know about you but this stupidity causes me great angst,how dare those bloodsuckers treat us this way,I think pensioners had better form there own grass roots voting block and let them know how many of us are out there,they are treating everyone that has paid taxes like ignorant fools! they keep getting away with it...
    Aussie
    20th Oct 2016
    7:29am
    Welcome to the Liberal philosophy ..... They are robbing us

    We need to do something so they work for us and not for their retirement pension and extras .... Shit this make me furious too.

    They are really a bunch of F....s
    Rae
    20th Oct 2016
    7:54am
    Well Ed anyone who can't find a bed under $288 a night and a meal under $92 probably needs some lessons in cost saving.

    I listened to Susan Ley trying to explain medical costs etc yesterday. She couldn't organise a chook raffle in a pub. Unbelievable nonsense.

    Not surprising we now have 12 million too many people for our existing hospital system and Bairds only solution is to sell the few that still exist to the private system.

    We actually have a bunch of incompetents running the country. Ideologists running the economy. Starry eyed youngsters reporting the news. And a team of unionists running the opposition.

    It is only going to get worse I suspect.
    Aussie
    20th Oct 2016
    8:04am
    Rae,
    The only thing I will say is our gov. elected seat warmers should learn from the Late King of Thailand and the work he has done for his people including Government agricultural projects preparation and if successful they are distributed to all provinces for free to help the Thai people to be self sufficient .....All this in plants and seeds just for the people.

    So what our Gov. seat warmers do ???? wait for their pension or go to Paris for a 2 day junket costing as Ed is reporting and spend 215,000 of our already depleted budget ......

    All this is just Shit
    Bones
    22nd Oct 2016
    11:27am
    If other countries can pay pensions to their citizens who are entitled overseas then we should do the same!
    The Aus govt has been taking money from these incoming pensions for years, yet do not want to pay ours to us!
    Yes, politicians pay and entitlements are now getting so out of hand that I, as a PM, especially the current one, would be worried about a general strike from the workers.
    Time these folks listened to the very people who worked and built this wonderful country, who are now, like UK watching these ratbags year it apart so they can have and keep their own wealth.
    May they rot in hell
    Fred
    24th Oct 2016
    6:47pm
    i am amazed that our government spend so much time on people that have worked and payed taxes all their lives. They import thousands of so called refugees (without any mandate from the people) and give them money, houses, free medical care, and education for their children. How many tax paying workers does it take to support one of these families? To question this is not racist merely common sense.
    tactful
    24th Oct 2016
    11:06pm
    If I choose to live overseas then I should not get the full Age Pension. If I want the full age pension then I should ive and spend it in the country of origin Australia.
    Cat
    25th Oct 2016
    12:52am
    I think that if a pensioner has to go overseas to obtain affordable accommodation because it is not available here then they should be allowed to be paid the pension indefinitely while overseas to avoid homelessness.
    AnamCara
    23rd Mar 2017
    3:11am
    What I don't understand is why we Australians keep voting for these ideologues. It's crystal clear that these professional politicians only care about holding power ... where is there any legislation aimed at improving the conditions for most Australians?


    What if we all stopped voting for these types and found a means to protest? I don't mean a Trump (One Nation) solution but start by voting the extreme right wing out.


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