Prime Minister calls federal election

Scott Morrison formally announced federal election date this morning.

PM calls an election, but is his party ready to tackle an uphill battle?

A knock on the Governor General’s door at the crack of dawn, a quick conversation with Sir Peter Cosgrove and Prime Minister Scott Morrison emerges to announce a federal election.

So, Australians will go to the polls on 18 May after Mr Morrison dissolved the 46th Parliament.

He formally announced the election date in the forecourt of Parliament House at 8.30am.

Is his party ready for the uphill battle many are predicting?

The Liberals are behind Labor in the latest Newspoll, but believe that by limiting expected losses in Victoria and targeting on-the-fence voters in NSW and Tasmania, they may still have a shot at winning.

It’s a big ask. Labor needs just seven seats to form a government.

Based on current numbers, Labor may pick up around 10 seats – more than enough to claim a majority in the House of Representatives.

However, ALP strategists aren’t expecting the landslide some have predicted.

The hot tip was that the PM would call the election last Sunday. Labor claims the Government put off that announcement so it could legally use taxpayer funds to pay for advertising policies.

Labor may be on to something. Mr Morrison has landed the first electioneering punch with his first taxpayer-funded Liberal Party election advertisement, My vision for Australia, released last night.

He has called on Australians to look forward a decade, rather than focusing on the present.

“The real question is, what country do you want to live in for the next 10 years?” Mr Morrison says in the advertisement.

“It has taken us 12 years to get the budget back on track. You change the Government, you change the course of the country, and it takes a long time to get it back on track.”

The message from Opposition Leader Bill Shorten is blunt and to the point.

“Six years of instability, six years, three prime ministers. Time’s up,” he said.

Both parties seem to be focused on the economy, as well as pushing tax cuts and spending on healthcare and infrastructure. But as we’ve already reported, older Australians are largely being ignored. Almost four in 10 respondents to our Friday Flash Poll: Who do you trust? say they feel ignored by both parties, but concede that healthcare is the one area that may sway their vote.

Which policies would you like to see each party take to the Federal Election? Tell us in the comments below.

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    11th Apr 2019
    10:36am
    Prepare the baseball bats to give the LNP a pounding, and ejection from government.
    MICK
    11th Apr 2019
    10:39am
    Yeah. You can tell they're in trouble when they let the parliament run to the last days like Morrison has.
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2019
    11:29am
    Seems a lot of labor voting bogans on this sight.
    Old Geezer
    11th Apr 2019
    11:53am
    Ha ha the LNP will win the election.
    Tom Tank
    11th Apr 2019
    12:09pm
    OG is ever reliable
    Tom Tank
    11th Apr 2019
    12:09pm
    OG is ever reliable
    The Care Bear.
    11th Apr 2019
    5:39pm
    Both Major Party's must go, and you can include the Greens.
    Make sure you decide on your preferences, takes a little longer, but, make your vote count.
    Anonymous
    12th Apr 2019
    7:25am
    LNP has been tipped to win in some polls. The most important thing is to ensure neither has a strong majority.

    The 'instability' and 'three prime ministers' claim amuses me. Has Labor already forgotten the Rudd/Gillard debacle? They set the agenda. They showed the Libs how its done!
    Anonymous
    12th Apr 2019
    7:32am
    For once, OG, I sincerely hope you are right. I despise the LNP, but they are by far the lesser of the two evils in this case. We just need lots of independents and minors to try to keep the bastards honest. (That will present a massive challenge if Short-on-integrity gets into the Lodge. There never was a bigger liar!)

    LNP has given us a surplus at last AND tax cuts AND infrastructure spending. Labor isn't even denying they want to rip the economy apart with massive tax increases. And they have demonstrated the most appalling unfairness and motivated the worst social division seen in a long time. If we could just transplant hearts into the LNP and make them understand the plight of those who are genuinely ill or disabled, caring for genuinely ill or disabled, or -despite their best efforts - genuinely can't secure a job... That's my issue with LNP. But Labor is worse, because they make work and responsible living a crime in order to support bludgers, cheats and manipulators. They WILL destroy the economy.
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    8:09am
    OlderandWiser

    Spot on!
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    8:09am
    OlderandWiser

    Spot on!
    Misty
    12th Apr 2019
    11:27am
    No they haven't given us a surplus, that will not happen unless they get back in, that surplus is forecast for next years budget, it is a lie to say they are back in the black this year.
    Anonymous
    13th Apr 2019
    10:42am
    It won't happen if Labor get in, and that's a certainty. We'll be faced with billions in extra taxes, share market falls, more retirees moving onto pensions, soaring electricity prices, further falls in housing values, and a massively increased budget black hole.

    They HAVE created a surplus, Misty. They just chose to spend it and a little more on tax cuts and infrastructure investments in order to keep the economy growing. It's called RESPONSIBLE ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT. Something Labor knows nothing about.
    Sundays
    11th Apr 2019
    11:06am
    At last an election date and we should get a break in the campaign for Easter. Will need to put up with all the slogans of ‘if you have a go, you’ll get a go’ from Morrison though rather than genuine policies
    PlanB
    11th Apr 2019
    11:18am
    Sneaky untrustworthy SOB Morrison really is -- and also a real arrogant dictator type
    Old Geezer
    11th Apr 2019
    11:54am
    Ha ha BIll Shorten is an even bigger dictator.
    Brissiegirl
    11th Apr 2019
    3:47pm
    At least Morrison wasn't caught on cctv swearing the F word at an innocent little shop owner just because she couldn't supply his son with a pie.
    Arrogant dictator types with hypocrite tendencies do that sort of thing when they think no-one is looking.
    Shorten should be very grateful that the opposing side isn't running those cctv pictures on t.v. every night. If they chose, or choose, to do so, Shorten's hopes of being Prime Minister would be all over red rover.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:32pm
    Well Brissiegirl I am sure the dirt gang from both sides will be out digging up whatever dirt they can find, your side are no saints either, so be careful what you wish for as it may come back to bite you.
    OlderandWiser
    11th Apr 2019
    4:46pm
    Brissiegirl, he was on CCTV entering & leaving the shop, no audio on the cctv, none that can be heard. Mr Shorten denies swearing, shop owner says he did. he said, she said.
    believe what you will but there is no evidence to say he swore apart from 1 persons word.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    6:48pm
    what SFR said ... and we saw today in the Geoffrey Rush judgement what happens when one person cannot prove her accusations against another.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    11:21am
    LNP in fighting, back stabbing, climate denying pollies heralds times up for present minders!
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2019
    11:30am
    Climate change is proven crapp it doesn't exist unless you are a labor voting Bludger paddington
    Old Geezer
    11th Apr 2019
    11:55am
    Agree climate change is a con and will only make the rich a whole lot richer.
    Tom Tank
    11th Apr 2019
    12:15pm
    Climate change is happening the only debateable aspect is by what degree is human activity affecting it.

    The Earths climate has never been stationary and is constantly changing, often slowly for long periods then other times quite dramatically. We live on a planet of constant change in nature and climate and they are interlinked. The most destructive influence, outside natural events, has been human intervention. Anyone who disputes that has probably not really given it due thought through a lack of simple research.
    Tom Tank
    11th Apr 2019
    12:15pm
    Climate change is happening the only debateable aspect is by what degree is human activity affecting it.

    The Earths climate has never been stationary and is constantly changing, often slowly for long periods then other times quite dramatically. We live on a planet of constant change in nature and climate and they are interlinked. The most destructive influence, outside natural events, has been human intervention. Anyone who disputes that has probably not really given it due thought through a lack of simple research.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    1:03pm
    Robbo, another lovely message from you! What does that make you? Name caller, bully?
    Labor voting this time, yes, for sure! That part is right.

    LNP are out of the question for many reasons:

    * far rights attacking the moderates within their own party leads to wrong thinking and action ... enter NZ type situations
    * the likes of Christopher Pyne and Julie Bishop bailing (Party disunity)
    * Medicare (unfunding tests and not keeping up doctor’s rebates, etc)
    * NEG failure and general control by rights of climate control policies
    * education still not funded well enough
    * NDIS under supported
    * back stabbing of last PM because he was a moderate, new PM does not have clean hands
    * need to support young ones re housing and jobs and the environment
    * sneaky Adani business last two days rushing it through
    * discrimination against women in their own party
    * the business with Cash who is very unlikeable
    * preference shown to big end of town, reluctance re banks etc
    * obvious lack of empathy for the very poor
    * unfunding so many things like TAFE
    * rushing budget pre election to demonstrate they care but no love for six years of governing and still lowest get least

    Too many examples to cite but you get the gist of why this time I will not be voting LNP!
    Cowboy Jim
    11th Apr 2019
    1:43pm
    Stop climate change - stop breeding would go a long way helping that. The more people the more consumption. Industry wants more people and we small guys want cleaner air and less congestion on our roads. And the Govt wants more than 200'000 more immigrants per year, half of them refos!
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    2:36pm
    Robbo, you claim that climate change is proven crapp, proven by who and what? Is it proof by The failed previous short term PM Abbott who didn't even believe in science or the failed deputy PM Joyce, the Minister for Dry Rivers? Could it be the scientists recording the melting of the polar ice caps or perhaps the meteorologists who have just recorded the warmest summers worldwide on record or those reporting on the greatest number of weather created catastrophes globally in living memory? Whatever the cause the, climate is changing but perhaps you can enlighten us on the proof that it isn't and that this is all illusory crapp?
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2019
    2:45pm
    Glad to Cosmo Australia's chief scientist whose name is Finkel reckons climate warming or change whatever you lefties like to call it, is crapp and I reckon this person should know don't you?
    Triss
    11th Apr 2019
    3:09pm
    You’re right, Cowboy Jim, government should be looking forward further than they are. If they are concerned about climate change then the number of migrants should be declining because we will have less and less water along with many other vital resources.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    3:15pm
    Robbo, By exposing your ignorance and calling me a lefty when you don't know me or how I vote are you saying that you have to believe in the non-existence of climate change because the political party you follow tells you to or that belief in climate change is the sole determinant of how someone should vote? Is that your mentality, that one issue determines how people vote or the political philosophy they follow?
    So which is the document recording the Chief Scientist stating the words that" climate change is crapp?
    Dave R
    11th Apr 2019
    3:59pm
    All the hard right people know they are done for next month.
    They can't even support their LNP with any real policy defences.
    All they have is Labor will be even worse.
    Well that will not work this time. People are waiting all over the country with baseball bats to slam the LNP who I expect will lose at least twenty seats but not all of them to Labor.
    There are more than two parties contesting this election and some of the smaller ones are likely to win some more seats, most of which will be Liberal losses.
    Viking
    11th Apr 2019
    4:11pm
    Robbo, The Chief Scientist is no more of a climate scientists than the average man in the street, he's a neuroscientist or maybe you don't know the difference.
    I don't need a neuroscientist to tell me whether or not climate change is real. The island I lived on in Scandinavia as a teenager needed an icebreaker for a ferry during winter because the surrounding sea ice was over 600mm (24") thick. At the same time the USSR's navy could not leave it's Baltic Port during winter due to the ice. A few years ago the last icebreaker ferry was sold because the Baltic no longer freezes and the Russian navy is no longer ice bound. That's in less than one lifetime. So if that's not evidence of climate change what is it?
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:35pm
    Well that is strange Robbo the Coalition said they believe in Climate Change and they are going on what the chief scientis has said, so who is right?.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    5:05pm
    Misty, Robbos gone quiet on this now he's been asked to come up with some evidence for his outrageous claim. He said he would be "glad to" come up with evidence but he seems unable to do so. I think its just a characteristic of some people just like our present temporary PM, lie about anything to score a cheap point. "Bill Shorten is going to take away your utes" was his claim yesterday.

    It goes on; today in our local newspaper is a full page political ad by the LNP paid for taxpayers claiming that the local main highway will be full duplicated by 2020. But here in 2019 they they haven't even started it yet or agreed the final route!
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    6:22pm
    Typical Cosmo and the gullible believe it, just like they said, "The budget is back in the black," well it isn't and won't happen until 2020, that is if they get back in, another lie and they call Labor liers.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    7:00pm
    Robbo will struggle to find a direct quote from Finkel, whereas there are plenty of quotes by change deniers such as Bolt misrepresenting Finkel to the point Finkel had to issue a clarification to eliminate the confusion. The only crap here is Robbo's comment.

    "Let me be clear, we need to continue on the path of reducing Australia’s carbon emissions. The fact remains that Australia’s emissions per person are some of the highest in the world." https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2018/12/clarifying-the-chief-scientists-position-on-reducing-carbon-emissions/

    Climate change has always been with us, the issue is the rate of change that has ticked up since industrialisation along with the growth in population.
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    8:22am
    Having seen how successful the "climate scientists" have been with their predictions about future climate, I'm inspired to set up a site for predicting winners at the races, because statistically I'm better at picking race winners than the "climate scientists" are at predicting climate. People are now welcome to join my club for a small fee and in return you will receive my predictions for the winner of every race. Naturally, you want to see my track record to date, so here it:

    Out of the last 100 predictions I have made, 5% of the horses I picked as winners came in second, third or fourth, 75% finished mid field, 20% were in the last four places.

    Anybody want to sign up?
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    8:22am
    Having seen how successful the "climate scientists" have been with their predictions about future climate, I'm inspired to set up a site for predicting winners at the races, because statistically I'm better at picking race winners than the "climate scientists" are at predicting climate. People are now welcome to join my club for a small fee and in return you will receive my predictions for the winner of every race. Naturally, you want to see my track record to date, so here it:

    Out of the last 100 predictions I have made, 5% of the horses I picked as winners came in second, third or fourth, 75% finished mid field, 20% were in the last four places.

    Anybody want to sign up?
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    8:54am
    Farside, Andrew Bolt has already answered the dishonest criticism that he put words into the mouth of the Chief Scientist by replaying the video of the event where, in response to a question which meant that if Australia ended the emission of all "greenhouse gases" what would be the effect on the climate, and he answered "Virtually nothing."

    Perhaps, after committing such a huge faux pas, and considering the likelihood of him receiving from his colleagues the same treatment that Professor Ridd was to receive from James Cook University, he followed up with a statement that Bolt had put words into his mouth and what he said was no excuse for doing nothing.

    What do you do when anything you do will achieve virtually nothing? Oh, I know,lend coal exports worth $60+ billion a year in coal exports - that won't hurt the economy, will it? Make electricity an unaffordable luxury for pensioners now and others later, which, as I have previously shown, the WA government and the ACCC have admitted is an outcome of the destruction of our coal fired power stations.

    I'm reminded of a poster of a boy with a look of frustration on his face. He commented that "doing good around here is like peeing your pants in a dark suit - it gives you a warm feeling but nobody notices."
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    8:54am
    Farside, Andrew Bolt has already answered the dishonest criticism that he put words into the mouth of the Chief Scientist by replaying the video of the event where, in response to a question which meant that if Australia ended the emission of all "greenhouse gases" what would be the effect on the climate, and he answered "Virtually nothing."

    Perhaps, after committing such a huge faux pas, and considering the likelihood of him receiving from his colleagues the same treatment that Professor Ridd was to receive from James Cook University, he followed up with a statement that Bolt had put words into his mouth and what he said was no excuse for doing nothing.

    What do you do when anything you do will achieve virtually nothing? Oh, I know,lend coal exports worth $60+ billion a year in coal exports - that won't hurt the economy, will it? Make electricity an unaffordable luxury for pensioners now and others later, which, as I have previously shown, the WA government and the ACCC have admitted is an outcome of the destruction of our coal fired power stations.

    I'm reminded of a poster of a boy with a look of frustration on his face. He commented that "doing good around here is like peeing your pants in a dark suit - it gives you a warm feeling but nobody notices."
    Janus
    11th Apr 2019
    11:27am
    After this bunch (with the cooperation the Greens) changed the goalposts to deprive many thousands of almost retired folk of their pension entitlements, I will never EVER vote for the Liberals. Anyone else would be better. Except Clive, or Pauline...I have some standards.

    Politics of Greed and fear, or politics of Compassion and ineptitude. What a choice!
    Old Geezer
    11th Apr 2019
    11:55am
    H a ha Labor is going to take 30% of your low income too now.
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2019
    12:27pm
    Even Clive and Pauline are better than this mob as would Fraser Anning. What we need is a Trump to replace the garbage we have.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    1:09pm
    Ah trood, worst of the worst. PH incites episodes like NZ.
    As bad as LNP are at the moment Trump trumps them.
    Anning is gone for sure and he is bereft of intelligence or decency.
    The likes of PH are not good people. Their values are out of line with who Australians are. We are multicultural and certainly not haters of others.
    Soon retired
    11th Apr 2019
    1:12pm
    God help us if the Labour party lead by Shorten gets in, we will all pay. Just like we did last time with Rudd, Swan and Gillard. All the labour party know what to do is spend and how do they fund this spending TAX, yes TAX everyone and anyone. I use to work in the mining industry in QLD after the Mining TAX, Carbon TAX and everything else thousands lost their jobs and lively hood in mining all due to the Labour twits and by heck the old team was mush better than the Shorten team. Believe me vote in a labour government and prepare to return to the dark ages, it will take 10 years to recover again.... I think shorten should use the slogan "Spend Spend Spend and TAX TAX TAX Yippee yahoo".
    Cowboy Jim
    11th Apr 2019
    1:48pm
    Labor brought in the asset and income tests, let us not forget that. LNP made it even worse and a new Labor Govt would tighten the screws even further. So the vote is between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea. If voting would not be required by law I'd give it a miss. So I wish every one Good Luck, you need it.
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2019
    2:12pm
    Speak for yourself Paddington, this country would be much better off without muslims
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2019
    2:41pm
    Your correct trood try living next to some like I used to then you will know what muslim scum is all about. The quicker we get rid of them the better.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:38pm
    Soon retired, sorry to tell you but we are paying even more under this mob, have been doing so for the last 6 years.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    7:08pm
    Soon retired, if you really did work in the mining industry in Queensland the you would be aware that mine productivity has substantially increased as a result of technology and process improvement. This is despite the loss of jobs from periodic downturns in price, grade and especially currency in the period post GFC when it was well over parity compared to now where it is 30% below, when these coincided.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    7:13pm
    Agree, Janus and CJ, a seriously bad choice this time - MUST vote OUT BOTH Liberal and Labor parties - by putting their sitting MPs in particular LAST (or just above the crazies including Greens) in preferences. 3 Million+ Retirees need to act now and shake up the system by getting rid of as many of these self-centred leeches as possible.
    .
    Mad as Hell
    11th Apr 2019
    8:31pm
    Yes Janus makes sense to me.
    One doesn’t plan for their retirement the day before they retire.
    The 2017 changes to the Pensioner Assets Test was stolen assets.
    Pensioners deserve a “fair go”.
    Anonymous
    13th Apr 2019
    10:45am
    Misty, explain why Short-on wouldn't respond when asked about the $200 billion more he was going to take in taxes? Oh, but it's okay with you because you won't be impacted. Doesn't matter what he does to others, as long as selfish Misty isn't hurt.
    OlderandWiser
    13th Apr 2019
    1:17pm
    You're the selfish one O&W. Always on about "poor me poor me, they'll do this oh poor me" Like I said O&W stop your single handed whinging & moaning & diversify if you are going to be impacted.
    YOU have control over YOUR finances & if not, well what a silly sod then.
    Anonymous
    15th Apr 2019
    5:19pm
    I'm not selfish, SFR. Unlike you, I'm concerned about the future of the nation and about the well-being of others. I have the decency to CARE about older Australians who are being threatened with hideous abuse and unfairness. I will be fine. I always find ways to get by. But NOBODY should have to become an investment guru in old age, and NOBODY should have to shift their assets to management they are not comfortable with. Labor's policy is vile and disgusting and nothing you can say can change that. I happen to agree with their stated objective, but their implementation is reflects appalling incompetence or the most disgraceful attitude this nation has ever seen in a political party.

    When Labor has successfully demolished the value of working and responsible living, I will be laughing at the idiots who are screaming that their handouts have stopped. They will be the same greedy, self-serving fools who are shouting now that they want others robbed.
    OlderandWiser
    11th Apr 2019
    11:43am
    LNP out you go. Rats starting deserting a sinking ship months ago.
    Over the years Australian voters have been pathetic.
    Vote independent & get rid of the 2 party mentality
    Put LNP, ALP & Greens last on your ballot with the current incumbent last.
    Learn how to preference vote & not vote by some bit of paper given to you at the polling booths
    Number every box on the senate ticket & don't be a lazy bastard by voting six boxes above the line.
    Old Geezer
    11th Apr 2019
    11:57am
    Ha ha there have been more Labor MPs leave than Liberal ones.

    LNP will win the election and Scomo will stay.
    Sceptic
    11th Apr 2019
    12:44pm
    That is really smart, like some others on this site you are happy to vote for someone that has no power to do anything, usually has one petty issue that they want to push, probably will not be elected but if you haven't numbered all required candidates, will have your vote moved to someone else or via someone else to other numerous candidates via preferences.

    Perhaps you should think and make your vote count for something. Personally, I do not care who people vote for, as long as they think before they vote and make it count, even if it is their umpteenth preference that finally gets counted.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    1:03pm
    Quite right, SFR, it's time to shake up the two-party system which has delivered sh.t for the people, especially retirees, while these Major Party leeches (MPs) have feathered their own nests. Time to act is now.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    7:13pm
    Geezer, are you dumbing down your comments and observations deliberately or is something else happening in your world?
    OlderandWiser
    11th Apr 2019
    11:48am
    Be prepared for a barrage of LNP paid trolls. And also O&W with his too long to read replies about, well we all know what he sprukes as a paid employee of the LNP
    Old Geezer
    11th Apr 2019
    11:57am
    Haha LNP will win the election.
    Old Geezer
    11th Apr 2019
    11:57am
    Haha LNP will win the election.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    1:11pm
    OG, I like your optimism.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:41pm
    SFR I think O&W is a woman and OG i will happily wipe the egg off your face if the LNP LOSE and send you a box of tissues to wipe away the tears.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    8:30pm
    I'm just waiting for the LNP to pull off another Tampa stunt. It ran a bit prematurely on the Medivac scare campaign which remember was going to cost us $16 billion and deny hospital beds to thousands of Australians,. that lucky one asylum seeker, all that money he gets! And all it finally cost us was a mere $186 million photo opportunity for Stuntman to open and close Christmas Island. Any lie or exaggeration at any time for any situation is the hallmark of the LNP.. This is the same man who today says "were looking to the future not the past" ie dont judge us on our dismal performance and then immediately talks about Labor six years ago.
    Sundays
    12th Apr 2019
    8:48am
    Good prediction SFR. Older & Wiser hasn’t disappointed with more self interested posts and insults
    Anonymous
    13th Apr 2019
    10:51am
    Only an illiterate would claim I am an employee of a party I repeatedly state I despise.

    And only the selfish and self-interested like Sunday ignore the fact that my posts focus on overall harm to the economy and society. No, Sundays - unlike you I am NOT self-interested. I have plenty of options. I can spend a few dollars and claim a pension and cost the nation $45,000 a year MORE than my franking credits cost - AND have twice the income. Unlike those here who can't think past their own bank accounts, I actually care about FAIRNESS and EQUITY and ECONOMIC PROSPERITY FOR ALL.
    Misty
    13th Apr 2019
    12:46pm
    I am sorry OlderandWiser but that is not the way it works,Australians will vote for the party and policies they think will help them in the future and if FC and NG are not a problem for them in their lives, that will not sway their vote.
    OlderandWiser
    13th Apr 2019
    1:24pm
    O&W posted "I have plenty of options. I can spend a few dollars and claim a pension and cost the nation $45,000 a year MORE than my franking credits cost - AND have twice the income."
    Proves beyond any doubt that your whinging & moaning etc is just rubbish.
    So if you have options that will pay you a part pension & make you far better off but won't take that option because you want to be a martyr for the cause ( & god knows what cause that is) then you are a bigger idiot than I originally thought.
    OH WHAT A SILLY SOD YOU ARE.
    Anonymous
    13th Apr 2019
    1:58pm
    SFR, ultimately I'll take whatever option is best for my family, but I will NOT stop highlighting the evil and social and economic harm Labor's wrongful policy threatens. I am not 'whinging' or 'moaning'. I am a survivor. I've had a very hard life and faced some incredible challenges and gross injustice, but I've done well for myself and my family and I will continue.

    My concern is for the nation and its people. Unlike you, I am not selfish - and I'm not ignorant of the unfair hurt that Shorten is inflicting on so many, nor of his dishonesty, Moving people off a small FC benefit and onto a pension is NOT GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY. An no, I'm not a martyr. But is SOME of us don't speak out against evil, evil will prevail.

    You keep up your self-serving rants and insults. Like Misty and so many others, you are selfish. As Misty says, they THINK FC and NG won't affect them, so it doesn't sway their vote. Poor dumb fools can't see past their selfish noses to realise that EVERY SINGLE WORKING AUSTRALIAN AND MOST RETIREES ARE AFFRECTED BY FC - SIGNIFICANTLY. And that includes you, Misty, despite the way you crap on about ringing some lying left-wing mouthpiece for reassurances. It's mind-boggling that anyone could be dumb enough to think a Labor employee would tell the truth about the harm a policy will do! Just imagine it: "Oh, yes, Misty dear. We are going to destroy retirement, increase taxes, and wreck retirement, but please vote for us anyway won't you. I mean, the unions were good to you. You owe us!"
    Misty
    13th Apr 2019
    4:47pm
    Like I said previously O&W yes it is mind boggling that you too believed what that Labor person told you, what rubbish, you think people cannot see through your comments, of course people will vote for what benefits them not what benefits you, so get over it. You too must be dumb to ring a Labor Policy maker and believe what they said if you have that attitude sorry no one can help you so why bother to ring any Labor MP?.
    Anonymous
    15th Apr 2019
    5:15pm
    When did I say I 'rang' a Labor Policy maker, Misty. I happen to have one living next door and we, as neighbours, talk often. He knows my views on politics and he gives me a lot of inside information - particularly about policies he, personally, disagrees with.

    I am well aware that people will vote for what benefits them, Misty, because so many are unbelievably selfish. Most though are too dumb to KNOW what benefits them. They vote for what they ignorantly THINK benefits them, paying no attention to facts and evidence at all but simply swallowing politicians' lies.

    I believe what the evidence shows is valid. I look at claims from both sides of politics and analyse the evidence. And the evidence speaks very loudly that Labor will wreck the economy and certainly does not want ordinary Australians to be able to access a comfortable retirement. Unfortunately the evidence suggests that the LNP has the same position in regard to retirement, but it is far less likely to do major economic harm. The LNP shows some foresight in formulating economic policy. Labor freely admits it intends to spend an extra $400 billion we don't have and freely admits that it has no concern for anyone who doesn't vote Labor and will happily rip $200 million out of people in unfair and discriminatory tax increases, and to hell with the consequences for the country. They don't even try to deny their intention. That's why I believe, Misty. Because it's VERIFIED FACT - not a pack of self-serving lies quite obviously intended to pacify some silly old woman asking dumb questions.
    Misty
    15th Apr 2019
    5:47pm
    Talking about yourself again are you OlderandNotWISER?
    ray from Bondi
    11th Apr 2019
    12:03pm
    How corrupt can you be, a day after the Orwellian libs announce that the Adani mine in Queensland will go ahead after all the hullabaloo about how bad it is going to be for the water table.
    I also understand there are many environmental concerns. I am sure the people responsible will have very nice comfortable offices lined up for them after a life selling the Commonwealth of Australia to anybody but an Australian company if there is such a thing any longer.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    2:56pm
    We have both parties going on about how they will tax the multi-nationals now operating in Australia tax-free then the day before an election is announced the LNP allows a known polluter that admits it conducts its tax affairs from the Caymen Islands, to rape our resources, tax free with what it claims will be a highly mechanised mine (meaning minimum jobs) on the promise that it will generate thousands of jobs. One day I look forward to a party that enacts policy in the long term interest of the people rather than for party political or personal gain, in this case to pass the buck and wedge an incoming Labor government.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    7:23pm
    Not only will the Carmichael mine provide minimum jobs post construction it will reduce demand for product from other mines hastening contraction or even closure. Forecasts by coal industry modellers Wood Mackenzie show that significant coal exports from the Galilee Basin would, by 2035, lead to a reduction in coal production of 30% in the Bowen Basin, 37% in the Surat Basin and 37% in the Hunter Valley.

    As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for ...
    ray from Bondi
    11th Apr 2019
    12:07pm
    what really does not surprise me is the comments from liberal trolls, that never-ending empty rhetoric that is supposed to make us fear the labor party, what jabberwocky, sadly it will only become worse as we get closer to the kick them out time.
    KB
    11th Apr 2019
    12:19pm
    Real action on climate change which affects us all and energy polcies
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    12:44pm
    Get China, India and USA to act first, and don't waste your time while shooting yourself in the foot pretending to do anything about it! Don't let any climate change crooks tell you that we can do anything about it - our Chief Scientist confirmed that some time ago.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    7:26pm
    George, your comment is why the Chief Scientist issued a clarification to avoid the deliberate obfuscation and misrepresentation from selectively quoting him out of context.

    "doing nothing is not a position that we can responsibly take because emissions reductions is a little bit like voting, in that if everyone took the attitude that their vote does not count and no-one voted, we would not have a democracy."
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    7:56pm
    It is one thing to find explanations why he said what he said - that's not the issue. The fact is he said (quoted in context) on 23rd Oct 2018 to the Senate Economics Legislation Committee (1.3% being Australia's contribution globally - in other words, if we shut down):

    "Even if Australia de-industrialised, it would have little impact on global climate.
    Senator MacDonald: If we reduce the world's carbon emissions by 1.3%, what impact would that have on the changing climate of the world?
    Chief Scientist Dr Finkel : Virtually nothing."

    My main point is, which Dr. Finkel would know is correct, that our efforts are in fact worth nothing / meaningless, unless China, India and USA (all countries which have refused to be bound by any emissions action targets at least till 2030) act. We should also suspend all action till then and not screw ourselves, especially those on lesser incomes.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    11:35pm
    Correction, that quote was from the Senate Committee on 1 June 2017.
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    7:04pm
    The Chief Scientist issued his "clarification" AFTER he had, in a rare moment of candour, said exactly what GeorgeM says, and neither Andrew Bolt nor anyone else put words in his mouth. His attempt to cover his track is available on the site below, which, significantly, is not dated.

    https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2018/12/clarifying-the-chief-scientists-position-on-reducing-carbon-emissions/.

    Then there was Tim Flannery who stated on Landline in 2007 “the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems". Now we are asked to believe that he has been misquoted and what he meant was that the dams MAY not fill again.

    Currently we have Professor Peter Ridd who is suing the James Cook University for wrongful dismissal

    Today, Judge Vasta asked how it could be that James Cook University – a recipient of so many billions of dollars over the years – could leave no stone unturned in its disciplinary process against Peter Ridd, while doing absolutely nothing to address his complaints about the lack of quality assurance of its research.

    Not once in court today, or yesterday, was there any defense by the James Cook University Team of “the science” that Peter Ridd has been so critical of. The university is simply arguing that he doesn’t have a right to speak-out.

    "Today, Judge Vasta asked how it could be that James Cook University – a recipient of so many billions of dollars over the years – could leave no stone unturned in its disciplinary process against Peter Ridd, while doing absolutely nothing to address his complaints about the lack of quality assurance of its research.

    (Qoute from reporter on day 2) "Not once in court today, or yesterday, was there any defense by the James Cook University Team of “the science” that Peter Ridd has been so critical of. The university is simply arguing that he doesn’t have a right to speak-out."

    What should be a matter of great concern with regard to the quality of the claims being made by "climate scientists" is that Ridd knew that by speaking out against the university's position on climate change he was jeopardizing his employment because he was reaching retirement age. This raises the serious question of how many of the "scientists" employed by universities also have the same opinion as Peter Ridd, but do not wish to lose their employment?
    maxchugg
    12th Apr 2019
    7:04pm
    The Chief Scientist issued his "clarification" AFTER he had, in a rare moment of candour, said exactly what GeorgeM says, and neither Andrew Bolt nor anyone else put words in his mouth. His attempt to cover his track is available on the site below, which, significantly, is not dated.

    https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2018/12/clarifying-the-chief-scientists-position-on-reducing-carbon-emissions/.

    Then there was Tim Flannery who stated on Landline in 2007 “the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems". Now we are asked to believe that he has been misquoted and what he meant was that the dams MAY not fill again.

    Currently we have Professor Peter Ridd who is suing the James Cook University for wrongful dismissal

    Today, Judge Vasta asked how it could be that James Cook University – a recipient of so many billions of dollars over the years – could leave no stone unturned in its disciplinary process against Peter Ridd, while doing absolutely nothing to address his complaints about the lack of quality assurance of its research.

    Not once in court today, or yesterday, was there any defense by the James Cook University Team of “the science” that Peter Ridd has been so critical of. The university is simply arguing that he doesn’t have a right to speak-out.

    "Today, Judge Vasta asked how it could be that James Cook University – a recipient of so many billions of dollars over the years – could leave no stone unturned in its disciplinary process against Peter Ridd, while doing absolutely nothing to address his complaints about the lack of quality assurance of its research.

    (Qoute from reporter on day 2) "Not once in court today, or yesterday, was there any defense by the James Cook University Team of “the science” that Peter Ridd has been so critical of. The university is simply arguing that he doesn’t have a right to speak-out."

    What should be a matter of great concern with regard to the quality of the claims being made by "climate scientists" is that Ridd knew that by speaking out against the university's position on climate change he was jeopardizing his employment because he was reaching retirement age. This raises the serious question of how many of the "scientists" employed by universities also have the same opinion as Peter Ridd, but do not wish to lose their employment?
    KB
    11th Apr 2019
    12:19pm
    Real action on climate change which affects us all and energy polcies
    Old Man
    11th Apr 2019
    12:24pm
    If the Coalition wants to win votes it has to build dams and power stations as well as withdraw from the Paris Agreement. They don't seem to understand that if they do those three things that the people they upset are those who would never vote for them anyway and they might attract those dissatisfied supporters who will be giving a protest vote to the minor parties.

    Elections used to be fought on opposing ideas and ideologies until Rudd popped up pretending to be Howard and now they want to be seen to be like each other. I believe that we are in for a Labor government and I'm concerned that their ideas will not be of benefit for any of us. The electric vehicles idea will reduce tax income by dropping the fuel excise by 50%, increase personal electricity usage and increase the cost of conventional vehicles. The negative gearing was tried by Keating and dropped when rentals were increased as rental properties fell. Madness has been described as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The brouhaha about the ranking dividends overlooks the fact that the refunds are merely moving an overpayment by a company from the tax office to the shareholder. It's not extra money that the ATO has to find and, surprise, surprise, unions are exempt.

    The promises by Labor are currently about $200B and that figure is sure to rise as they falsely claim that education and health is underfunded. We are not told whether that shortfall will mean extra taxes or if the current debt will rise. The "living wage" is to be paid by employers and as an added cost to a business will certainly mean an increase in prices and/or job losses.

    I have prepared myself for the inevitable abuse from the rusted on union bully boys but I just ask that amongst the personal invective that an explanation of why my opinions are incorrect be included.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:44pm
    That is never going to happen Old Man so stop dreaming, the LNP will never withdraw from the Paris agreement.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    7:31pm
    Old Man, your opinions on negative gearing parrot the myths propogated by Joe Hockey and were found to not stand up to fact checking.

    The ABC Fact Check panel (that included independent experts Chris Caton and Chris Richardson) concluded "During the period negative gearing was abolished rents notably increased only in Sydney and Perth. Other factors, including high interest rates and the share market boom, were also contributors to rent increases at the time."
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-06/hockey-negative-gearing/6431100

    11th Apr 2019
    12:25pm
    I don't want to see either of these grubs in power. Liberals might, might? be better financial managers but after their self indulgent behaviour over their term in govt and total disregard for Australia and its population they don't deserve to stay in power, they need to be punished and spend time in the wilderness to try and regain some morals and ethics if that is even possible.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    12:39pm
    After all their broken promises, including the massive attack on part-pensioner retirees via the Asset Test changes from Jan 2017, based on a lie as well, and then followed up with tax cuts for others especially the rich with no action to stop massive tax rorts - no way this Liberal party should get any support from retirees.

    Also, Labor under Bill Shorten - with no economics (Bowen is the worst), bad new policies (Franking credits attacking SFRs but not the rich, negative gearing protecting the existing owners of multiple properties, etc), no morals (crazy radical gender ideologies), and crazy climate change (45% emissions targets, electric cars by 2030 - who pays?, renewables-based unstable and expensive electricity supply) policies, and also with a history of attacking retirees (they last changed pension age to 67), there is no hope in hell.

    So, read my next post about an alternative for retirees to think carefully and act now.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    12:29pm
    Here's you chance, folks!
    BOTH Major parties and the Greens MUST be thrown OUT - we have tolerated them for far too long! Put them (the current MPs of these parties) LAST in preferences. The Retirees are one group ignored by BOTH, and we must act to get rid of them BOTH, by using the strength of 3 Million+ retirees votes. To achieve this, the best thing to do is to assign preferences very logically & purposefully - I recommend a strategy as follows:

    Put No. 1 for your favourite candidate (supporting Retirees preferably),
    Put all extremists at the end,
    Put your No. 2 as the one who you think can win and who may be acceptable to you, and
    Put the remaining in between such that the sitting Major party MP is definitely below the alternative Major party candidate (always keeping the Greens, being extremists, near or at the end).

    If enough people do this, you will a) know you did your best, and b) hopefully the useless sitting MP will lose their seat.

    This could mean a result which has a mixture of parties and independents. That will shake up the system with more action by parties in future to focus on what people want. Act now, for your and your children & grandchildren's future.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:46pm
    No point GeorgeM , PREFERENTIAL votes go to the 2 main parties that is why we either get one or the other.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    7:04pm
    There you go again, Misty, spoken like a true Major party (Labor) troll. How much do they pay you per post?
    3 Million Retirees acting together (barring a few left or right wing activists, like you & OG, who don't matter) can and will make a difference and can prevent either Major party from gaining majority.

    This is the time for all Retirees to act as I have indicated, and not listen to either the Labor trolls or the Liberal trolls - we have both quite active here in YLC as all know.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    7:32pm
    You cannot run a country with an Independent, you need a major party wether you like it or not, I AM NOT A LABOR TROLL, ARE YOU A LIBERAL TROLL GeorgeM?, or maybe I should call you a Coalition troll, how much are you being paid GeorgeM?.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    8:09pm
    Major parties have totally failed the people, hence it is time to throw them BOTH out. We need a period of Independents, Minor & Major parties trying to work together to determine who will finally start acting in the interests of the people. We need that temporary instability absolutely to get some sense into Canberra.
    Bad luck if you like one of the Majors (Labor), you cannot object to my comments on that basis, unless you are a troll possibly paid to refute any comments which can affect your preferred Major party in any way. Don't like the comment, then don't act that way!

    Only a fool would conclude that I support Liberals / Coalition, as I have repeatedly written against them as well, and I am in fact advocating (read again if your comprehension failed) to throw out BOTH Major parties as well as the Greens. Currently, based on their extreme policies (I noted a few crazy ones in the post just above this one), Labor = Greens, no difference. A most disgusting alliance which we must not encourage.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    8:32pm
    Say what you like GeorgeM, that is the way a lot of people operate , try to pull the wool over everyone's eyes by making out they are against certain parties when that is who they are really voting for.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    9:41pm
    GeorgeM, Misty is not a troll. She is one of the good ones who is genuine and consistent in what she says.
    Who is going to be PM if everyone votes independent?
    It will be one of the major parties and at this point in time Labor is miles ahead with a united party and some really good people in their ranks.
    Greens are also good and some genuine contenders therein.
    The cancer promises will be real winners because everyone is affected by cancer.
    The young ones are not supporting the LNP!
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    11:48pm
    Paddington, you don't need to support her, my objection was to her initial troll-like comment trying to denigrate my well-considered attempts to make people wake up and vote against BOTH major parties and the Greens as all 3 have failed the people miserably. In the scenario you describe, the PM will be chosen once the make-up of parliament is known and would likely be one who commands respect from most MPs in the groups which can work together to form a majority - may not be from a Major party. I know it all sounds new, but that's what we need - as Bill himself says "We should not be afraid of change".

    Other than that, I disagree with every other comment you have made, but I recognise your right to those opinions, unlike Misty (with her large number of posts) who cannot seem to tolerate any views which don't align with hers.
    Misty
    12th Apr 2019
    12:19am
    So GeorgeM it is ok for other people to disagree but not me , is that what you are saying?. isn't that what this site is all about, airing our opinions?,and no one has to agree with everything everyone says, this is democracy at work and after all we are srill a free country where free speech is still allowed, are we not?, or do we all have to fall in line and agree with your comments?.
    Anonymous
    12th Apr 2019
    7:48am
    Agree GeorgeM. Misty is a Labor troll. So is Paddington. Nobody with a brain could accuse you of being a Liberal troll when you vehemently condemn BOTH parties.

    What defines a troll is the inability to debate policy objectively. No matter what the topic, Paddington and Misty are ALWAYS 100% in the Labor camp. Labor can do no wrong. It doesn't matter how vile and disgusting a policy is or who it hurts, those two defend it if it's Labor's policy. They actually WISH hurt on people who don't agree with their politics. (Along with Sundays and SFR). That's as low as you can go - to wish hurt on others and support policies that inflict unfair harm just because you happen to prefer the party doing the evil.

    And no matter how good something LNP do, they condemn them. That's the definition of a troll.

    These people ARE the problem in this country. When people blindly follow a party as they would a favorite football team, there IS NO DEMOCRACY. We need THINKERS who will analyse policies objectively and search objectively for the TRUTH. We need people who care more about other Australians than stinking politicians. We need people who acknowledge FACT when it's exposed and hold politicians to account.
    Misty
    12th Apr 2019
    11:40am
    Older and NOT Wiser it doesn't matter what insults you and GeorgeM like to throw at anyone who disagrees with you it is what it is, I could call you a Coalition troll too, as many commenting here have done already, just as you have called me a Labor troll, but neither would probably be correct. What SFR and people objecting to the Labor Parties proposed NG and FC changes have to realise, is that while people may sympathise with your plight you are in the minority, there are millions of people in Australia who will vote for what will benefit them in the coming election, and I am sorry to say if NG AND FC changes do not affect them that will not sway their vote.
    GeorgeM
    12th Apr 2019
    7:41pm
    Thanks, OAW, your comments are spot on. Although, I haven't got any issue with the others you mention, in particular I agree with most of what SFR says (such as his comment against all Major parties at 11:43am above) except his comments often about Franking Credits Labor policy which is a bad policy.

    Misty, your useless comments trying to divert considered comments by others and derail discussion on that topic, with silly remarks (such as "No point...", or "That is never going to happen, Old Man...", etc, regarding any comments, without any serious consideration are simply negative troll-like comments, and very similar to how OG behaves from the other side. That is NOT an acceptable way to be part of a discussion. If you can't contribute sensibly, keep such negative, silly, childish comments to yourself.
    Misty
    12th Apr 2019
    8:17pm
    Sorry GeorgeM but I will continue to comment on here as often as I like, I don't know why you bother to read my comments if that is the way you feel, it is still a free country with free speech isn't it?, nd no one has to agree with what you, and OlderandNotWiser, and any one else says on here.
    maxchugg
    13th Apr 2019
    6:21pm
    Misty, if you put comments on this site, expect them to be read critically by those who are unconvinced about the ongoing scare which commenced as global warming until a mass of evidence showed that, despite the massaging of temperature data, global temperatures had not cooperated with computer models. So, to gain safer ground, global warming became climate change, which is an ever present reality, always was, always will be - Mother Nature is stronger than all the world's scientists.

    What is being presented as climate science is not science because it fails the basic requirements of scientific method which are that only when every possible effort has been made to disprove a theory has failed to meet that objective, does the theory become scientific fact, a status which can be lost when it is later found to be incorrect – i.e. “Matter can neither be created nor destroyed” had to be modified when the atomic bomb was developed. So called climate science only takes into account evidence which supports the favoured theory and not only ignores, but is extremely hostile to those who dare to oppose it - i.e. Peter Ridd fired from James Cook University for daring to question, with highly credible evidence, the university’s settled opinion on the effects of climate change on the Barrier Reef. This scenario has been repeated over and over, scientists who once believed the theory but change their views when they are persuaded that the theory is unsound are denounced and held up to ridicule, others who have made predictions which have totally failed retain their credibility.

    I find it hypocritical in the extreme that a group of individuals with, to use the words they use against their opponents, “rusted on views” on the subject of climate change are extremely vocal about how the government has spent, or not spent, taxpayer sourced funds, but are totally silent about the waste of many billions of dollars on such things as desalination plants which, in the main, have not produced a drop of water, but cost millions each year to maintain in “mothballs”.

    Questions should have been asked after the failure of the predictions made about the Maldives, after the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia, or predictions that the Arctic ice would be gone “this summer or next” which persisted for a few years. Today, before another cent is spent promoting this theory, there should be a close examination of the predictions made and the outcome, because simply guessing would have produced a more reliable prediction of climate than has been achieved by the computer models. Statistically, guessing would have been right around 50% of the time, which is far better than what has been achieved by the computer models.
    maxchugg
    13th Apr 2019
    6:21pm
    Misty, if you put comments on this site, expect them to be read critically by those who are unconvinced about the ongoing scare which commenced as global warming until a mass of evidence showed that, despite the massaging of temperature data, global temperatures had not cooperated with computer models. So, to gain safer ground, global warming became climate change, which is an ever present reality, always was, always will be - Mother Nature is stronger than all the world's scientists.

    What is being presented as climate science is not science because it fails the basic requirements of scientific method which are that only when every possible effort has been made to disprove a theory has failed to meet that objective, does the theory become scientific fact, a status which can be lost when it is later found to be incorrect – i.e. “Matter can neither be created nor destroyed” had to be modified when the atomic bomb was developed. So called climate science only takes into account evidence which supports the favoured theory and not only ignores, but is extremely hostile to those who dare to oppose it - i.e. Peter Ridd fired from James Cook University for daring to question, with highly credible evidence, the university’s settled opinion on the effects of climate change on the Barrier Reef. This scenario has been repeated over and over, scientists who once believed the theory but change their views when they are persuaded that the theory is unsound are denounced and held up to ridicule, others who have made predictions which have totally failed retain their credibility.

    I find it hypocritical in the extreme that a group of individuals with, to use the words they use against their opponents, “rusted on views” on the subject of climate change are extremely vocal about how the government has spent, or not spent, taxpayer sourced funds, but are totally silent about the waste of many billions of dollars on such things as desalination plants which, in the main, have not produced a drop of water, but cost millions each year to maintain in “mothballs”.

    Questions should have been asked after the failure of the predictions made about the Maldives, after the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia, or predictions that the Arctic ice would be gone “this summer or next” which persisted for a few years. Today, before another cent is spent promoting this theory, there should be a close examination of the predictions made and the outcome, because simply guessing would have produced a more reliable prediction of climate than has been achieved by the computer models. Statistically, guessing would have been right around 50% of the time, which is far better than what has been achieved by the computer models.
    Misty
    13th Apr 2019
    8:36pm
    Maxchugg I don't mind anyone critising my comments but I do object to abuse and slander because I happen to disagree with what someone has written here, of course not everyone will agree with what you and I have written, or the others commenting here, and I don't mind being corrected if I have posted a comment that someone knows is incorrect but I will not stand by and be insulted and bullied, not that I am accusing you of doing that, don't get me wrong, I am not.
    maxchugg
    13th Apr 2019
    10:32pm
    Misty, here, at least we find common ground. As far as I am concerned, when anyone finds a need to resort to personal abuse they have lost the argument.

    Personally I welcome constructive criticism to what I post, over my long lifetime I have learned valuable lessons by considering an alternative, reason based point of view. Sometimes I change my mind, usually I don't because I engage in extensive fact checking before I either form an opinion or make comment.

    I would add that my views are entirely my own, I have no affiliation with any political party or other organization. I am, and have always been, a swinging voter, I do tend to favour the Liberal point of view, but have personally invested considerable personal effort to assist a Labor member for whom I had the utmost respect.
    maxchugg
    13th Apr 2019
    10:32pm
    Misty, here, at least we find common ground. As far as I am concerned, when anyone finds a need to resort to personal abuse they have lost the argument.

    Personally I welcome constructive criticism to what I post, over my long lifetime I have learned valuable lessons by considering an alternative, reason based point of view. Sometimes I change my mind, usually I don't because I engage in extensive fact checking before I either form an opinion or make comment.

    I would add that my views are entirely my own, I have no affiliation with any political party or other organization. I am, and have always been, a swinging voter, I do tend to favour the Liberal point of view, but have personally invested considerable personal effort to assist a Labor member for whom I had the utmost respect.
    4b2
    11th Apr 2019
    12:34pm
    His vision for the future is based on another lie. The budget is still a discussion paper, and the expected surplus has not been delivered and most likley wont be delivered if the forcasts from the financial sector are correct. Hiding socalled tax cuts to the end of the tax year to prop up revenue is not a surplus. This government has been the most secretive and misleading government in Australia's history.

    Time to change.
    Anonymous
    12th Apr 2019
    7:51am
    Change to a party intent on destroying the economy by making work and responsible living a punishable crime and ripping into everyone who works with massive tax hits that don't even touch the rich but cripple battlers. Yeah, good plan! NOT.
    inextratime
    11th Apr 2019
    12:50pm
    Ban compulsory voting then we would find out who really cares who wins the election and it might even force the pollies to come up with policies that the voters actually want. And while we are at it lets stop the hypocrisy that suggests that Australia can make any difference to 'climate change' when we derive an element of our high standard of living from the export of coal to the rest of the world.
    GeorgeM
    11th Apr 2019
    1:06pm
    That's not going to happen now, nor is that entirely suitable. See my comments above about what you CAN do now to get rid of Major Party sitting MPs / leeches.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    9:43pm
    When you make voting not compulsory you get the mess in England and the Trump mess in America. Apparently, there are over 500,000 people who still need to register to vote across the country.
    inextratime
    11th Apr 2019
    12:50pm
    Ban compulsory voting then we would find out who really cares who wins the election and it might even force the pollies to come up with policies that the voters actually want. And while we are at it lets stop the hypocrisy that suggests that Australia can make any difference to 'climate change' when we derive an element of our high standard of living from the export of coal to the rest of the world.
    Nascar.
    11th Apr 2019
    1:05pm
    Old Goose Ha Ha, Shorten to have last laugh.
    Mad as Hell
    11th Apr 2019
    1:13pm
    Trickledown economics is also known as the horse-and-sparrow theory:

    'If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.'

    Retirees deserve better than this.
    OlderandWiser
    11th Apr 2019
    1:52pm
    So the sparrows (retirees) have to eat shit lol
    Anonymous
    12th Apr 2019
    7:56am
    Trickle down wealth will NEVER work, but trickle up hardship does, and Labor makes it an art form.

    SFR, you support making retirees eat shit.
    Bushbaby
    11th Apr 2019
    1:21pm
    For me the big questions are:
    Who will enmesh us the fastest into the communist ideology?
    Who will sell us out to the highest bidder the fastest?
    How long until Australia is Australian in name only?
    Sad, sad days
    KSS
    11th Apr 2019
    1:25pm
    If Mr Shorten were trustworthy he would be admitting it has been 12 years of instability with 6 Prime Ministers and that 6 of those years and three Prime Ministers we on his side of the house and at his own hand!

    But I suppose that doesn't fit his narrative.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:49pm
    Well if everyone in Australia who has lived through those times doesn't already know that they have their heads in the sand, most people have already made up their minds who they are going to vote for anyway.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    8:38pm
    No Misty, not doctors, they still have the political biopsies under the microscope. It will take five to seven years to do the clinical trials.
    Ny19
    12th Apr 2019
    7:09am
    Labor paid massively at the 2013 election for their instability and have since got their act together. Now it is time for the LNP to pay. They need time out of office to work themselves out. Moderates and conservatives within the Liberal ranks have become incompatible and will probably remain so which threatens the viability of the Party well into the future. Meanwhile, the National Party is beset by its own problems so the Coalition is one big mess.
    Anonymous
    13th Apr 2019
    10:46am
    Labor is STILL unstable. It's now been revealed that Bowen and Shorten can't even agree on core policies. Bowen is selling one thing and Shorten is talking of something totally different.
    Digby
    11th Apr 2019
    2:02pm
    OK I get it put Labour last and Greens second to last on preferences. As a doctor recently retired I have seen the evil that the Labor party , State and Federal do, wrecking economies and depriving both the public and private health sector of funds, a treating pensioners etc appallingly, while feathering their own nests. But where to do put the rest on preferences. Fiona Patten always talks sense but she is at a state level. What happened to the Nick Xenophon Party, he was a man to be much admired. Fraser Anning I believe is forming a party, but i don't think he will have candidates in Victoria. But I did feel a pang of sympathy for for him after egging incident, but that young thug who should have been convicted of assault. not sure I support Anning though. The LNP has a wonderful candidate in my seat of Higgins, in Katie Allen, a highly qualified paediatrician who has been devoted to the care of children for many years and done ground breaking research. But do I want ScoMo (happy clapper ) to remain as PM, but the Bill Shorten just drips mendacity with every smarmy utterance and his party will be last on my voting card anyway. It is a conundrum, but you can guarantee I will allocate preferences and not be guided by any how to vote card
    OlderandWiser
    11th Apr 2019
    2:09pm
    wasn't it LNP's Hockey that wanted to stop bulk billing & introduce a compulsory $6 GP co-payment after being warned it will hit the poor and sick hardest and place additional pressure on already stretched emergency departments.
    LNP needs to go
    Digby
    11th Apr 2019
    3:54pm
    I was never a Fan of Hockey am still am not (how can anybody have their stomach stapled like he did, and remain as fat as he is, speaks volumes about his personality), but I don't agree with your view of history. Remember that policy never made it into legislation though I though it was a great idea, as I know that people who pay nothing have no appreciation of the service, especially if they are not paying taxes, but others are paying for them. And pensioners and financially disadvantaged people were exempted anyway. But it made the doctors tax collectors for the government . I always refused to bulk bill but would charge the disadvantaged $1 or $2 so they would appreciate the service a little, and turn up for their appointments. Even if the LNP needs to go, then what, we could can't have that evil, slimy triumvirate of Wong, Plibersek, and Shorten in government, , I couldn't in all conscience vote for them that would be a vote for ruin of the country. As mentioned Labor has to go last on my voting form, hence my quandary.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:54pm
    Dream on Digby hopefully your wishes won't be granted, the LNP do not deserve another term but of course all you wealthy business people don't want the alternative do you, you don't want your cushy way of life changed either do you.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    5:27pm
    Well Digby, I am sure some patients are relieved by your retirement especially those with foreign names or did you refuse to treat them too? I just wonder how a doctor who can't make up his mind on who to vote for after three years would go in making a decision on a medical diagnosis in fifteen minutes. Yes agreed, a paediatrician would be just the ticket for an LNP member, at least she would have a great understanding and experience in dealing with the childish mentality within her party.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    6:24pm
    Good one Cosmo.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    9:50pm
    Digby, are you really a doctor? All the medical people I have talked to are not happy with the LNP and are waiting to get Labor reinstate Medicare funding for heaps of things.
    Anning is not intelligent and it is pretty certain he will be unsuccessful.
    No intelligent person would be supporting Anning so I smell a rat!
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    9:59pm
    Digby, just as well your chosen profession was doctoring because you are not an economist's bootlace ... wrecking economies, really?

    Which party deregulated the economy and opened trade with Asia? Which party delivered AAA credit ratings from each of the three agencies? The OECD assessment of Australia's post GFC economy at 2014 following Labor governments said:

    "Australia’s material living standards and well-being compare well internationally,
    reflecting a well-managed and successful economy. The economy is slowing as the
    prolonged mining boom recedes. Output growth of about 3% is expected for 2014 and 2.5% in 2015. Macroeconomic policies are appropriate for the current conjuncture while longterm prosperity depends on ensuring that structural settings help all forms of economic activity and promote broad-based productivity growth."

    Doesn't seem those that understand economics share your pessimism in relation to economic management.

    And in Higgins the order of your vote matters little - just whether you put Katie Allen higher than Fiona Mcleod.
    floss
    11th Apr 2019
    2:02pm
    Well said Cowboy right on the money.
    KSS
    11th Apr 2019
    2:09pm
    This is a real question:

    If Mr Shorten 'wins' and we get his policies that effectively will shut down coal mining ($67b 2018-2019) curtail LNG ($50b this financial year), annual fuel excise loss ($12.4b), and these are just three examples of the loss of tax revenue, how does Mr Shorten expect to recoup the lost tax?
    These three things alone will cost the Government about $130 billion in a single year. Now in 2018 the ABC reported that the Government expected to spend $488.58 this financial year. This means the 'loss' in revenue to Mr Shorten's government as a direct result of the effect of his policies in just three areas is about 26%. This does not include the loss of income tax from the loss of about 200,000 jobs in coal mining alone.

    Franking credits no longer refunded will only raise about $5.2b in 20-21, well short of the deficit caused by Mr Shorten's policies. Changed to capital gains tax may reap a further $3.5b. These are two of Mr Shorten's major cost saving policies and yet they do not even amount to 5% of the loss of revenue. And those most likely to be affected are pensioners and especially SFR.

    I cannot see how this is a good thing.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2019
    8:01pm
    KSS. I'm not a Labor voter but can you please tell us which Labor policy documents state the alleged policy decisions? I have not heard any claim by any Labor shadow ministers that reflect your allegations. In fact I don't believe that Labor has even finalised its decision on theAdani mine yet. The current export arrangements for LNG which the LNP claims were too much in favour of the exporters were concluded by Labor. It seems unlikely they are now planning to close an industry that the LNP claims Labor gave favours to. Are you sure that you are not engaging in the same practice as the PM and the LNP ie any lie or exaggeration to suit any situation at any time. If not, perhaps you could identify the documents that support your claims?
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    10:23pm
    So if Labor wins then coal mining shuts down ... this will come as a surprise to most existing mines given they have economic lives longer than the next few governments.
    cupoftea
    11th Apr 2019
    2:52pm
    1 vote 1 person first past the post wins
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    10:28pm
    Nice idea but where is the post? Easier said than done if you believe in democracy. For instance is it the candidate with most votes or one that achieves 50%? What happens if an extreme candidate in a large field receives most votes but is not representative of the sentiment in the electorate? Do you have multiple rounds of voting eliminating candidates that are not in first two places?
    cupoftea
    11th Apr 2019
    2:52pm
    1 vote 1 person first past the post wins
    hyacinth
    11th Apr 2019
    8:08pm
    I have felt like that ever since I came to Australia . ONE vote only
    hyacinth
    11th Apr 2019
    8:08pm
    I have felt like that ever since I came to Australia . ONE vote only
    Triss
    11th Apr 2019
    3:02pm
    All the candidates will be dragging their spouses out, strolling hand in hand with them, gazing into their eyes so we can see what wonderful people they are then, after the election, the spouses will disappear never to be seen again until the next election. Registers double top on the vomit chart.
    Viking
    11th Apr 2019
    3:55pm
    Triss, Some of them who claim that family values are so sacrosanct they can't support same sex marriage, then after masquerading at mere by-elections, drag out their pregnant girlfriends and dump their wives and four kids! At least we know the principles that most of them stand for, nothing!
    Triss
    11th Apr 2019
    6:24pm
    Unfortunately you are so right, Viking.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:57pm
    Most people see through that ploy Triss, that and kissing babies, don't know why they would think it would make anyone decide to vote for them.
    Triss
    11th Apr 2019
    6:27pm
    I don’t either, Misty, and after all the lies and nastiness that comes out of their mouths those mouths would not be kissing my babies.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    4:57pm
    Most people see through that ploy Triss, that and kissing babies, don't know why they would think it would make anyone decide to vote for them.
    Farside
    11th Apr 2019
    10:32pm
    don't forget the memes of a beer in the pub, high vis jackets and helmet on a construction site, visit to markets to rub shoulders, reading stories to kids, giving a talk to high school students, exercising along a river somewhere ... makes you want to gag. This is one area where the female candidates are generally less disingenuous than their male counterparts.
    Alexia
    11th Apr 2019
    5:07pm
    You can call all the elections you want Prime Minister, but neither I nor anyone I know and associate with will be voting for anyone in any political platform, as they are mostly uninterested and uninformed people that simply wants to get a better job and more money for the taxpayers.
    When decent, informed and interested politicians appear in the horizon, if ever, I will be voting again.
    Alexia
    11th Apr 2019
    5:08pm
    I meant "from: the taxpayers.
    ancal
    11th Apr 2019
    5:26pm
    There are quite a few people who write on here that seem to have a short memory. Remember the 70's, I was a member of Qld Chamber of Manufacturers when Shorten was union delegate and wages started going sky high. We lost our Holden cars then and our ability to compete in manufacturing furniture, and most things. Wait - then a recession we had to have! I think I remember about a lady in Vic made a claim against Shorten, perhaps it is still in the Pickering records. He even enjoyed the wedding breakfast from the Chinese man's daughter and he says Dutton has a lot to answer for!!
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    6:18pm
    So ancal, you blame the wage increases that the unions fought for, and got for their members, for the demise of the car insustry do you?, you want people to live in poverty, is that it ancal?, while the rich get richer and the poor poorer is ok is it ancal?. Oh and by the way a few Liberal MPS also attended the wedding of the chinese business man's daughter not just Bill Shorten and that claim you speak about was never proved ancal.
    ancal
    11th Apr 2019
    6:48pm
    Well Misty, I didn't say I was voting for either party. Did the truth hurt your feelings? Didn't you see the TV where it showed Shorten at the wedding. Also, maybe if you checked the Pickering records, you might say he had no proof either!
    Brissiegirl
    11th Apr 2019
    8:19pm
    I don't know of any other Australian politicians who have had such serious claims made about them. I don't think Shorten is a suitable PM on various grounds.He can't even pronounce "th", e.g. wever (or not), wivin (within), wivout (without)". Maybe he learned to speak that way when leading his bogan stand-over union thugs. The argument that the pie shop lady lied about Shorten swearing the F word at her is a case of she says he says - well what was in it for the pie shop owner to go to the press about that episode? Shorten's sidekick Plibersek married a convicted drug dealer who did gaol time for his crimes. Therefore he can never accompany her for example to the USA because they won't allow convicted criminals into their country. Nice. I thought Bob Hawke along with JWH were the two best PM's we ever had but these latter day union thugs are the lunatic left at their very worst and gearing up to bankrupt us all over again.
    Misty
    11th Apr 2019
    8:37pm
    I didn't say he wasn't at the wedding ancal, of course he was, but so too were Liberal MP'S, what are you going on about ancal?, where in the comment above have I said who you were voting for?.
    Paddington
    11th Apr 2019
    9:54pm
    The seventies Ancal? How old do you think Shorten is?
    Mondo
    12th Apr 2019
    9:53am
    Ancal, supporting car factories in each State made no economic sense, not that this would matter much to some; Sydney car factories closed shortly afterwards too. You may have a long memory but clearly a selective memory that forgets more recent auto events. Its was that great LNP economist and treasurer Joe Hockey who said, "Ford leaving Australia, I dare them to" and guess what they did and under the LNP government so did Holden and Toyota.
    Of course we know the same great man with typical LNP principles declared "this is the end of the age of entitlement." Then because he was hopeless as a treasurer he accepted a $360,000 government job in Washington. One thing we do know is that under the LNP it's the end of the age of entitlement for some but not for them or their mates but perhaps that may change next month!
    hyacinth
    11th Apr 2019
    6:58pm
    I shall not be voting at the next election until I can get someone to take the case of my Grandson to parliament and tell of the way in which he has been shockingly treated by certain members of the ACT police, certain members of the ACT judiciary and the ACT DPP. Wrongfully accused of horrendous acts he was put into solitary confinement for four and a half months in the notorious maximum security prison at Goulburn . It took a lady Det Sgt Leesa Alexander through her diligence and perseverance to uncover the truth . The female person who caused all this harm aided and abetted by corrupt police is now in prison with a three year sentence having to serve two years without parole. Some oy you may have read The Sunday Weekend magazine about the case in February ,some of you may have watched 60 minutes last Sunday That is the story of my Grandson. Now the family is having to fight for compensation that is not forthcoming from these ACT departments. No apology has been given for the horrendous treatment he received .Until someone can come along from any of the parties and say "yes I will fight for your Grandon and his parents to get restitution " shall I vote This family was shattered Financially it cost $600000 in lawyers fees they have had to sell their home a marriage was broken through all the emotional and financial stress . The good character was taken from an innocent young man he lost his job he lost everything all through someone who after five long years admitted to lying. If heads of departments in State governments cannot do the right thing then I call upon someone in the Federal Government to show that they have the guts to represent members of the public when needed. I wonder "who has the balls????"
    KSS
    11th Apr 2019
    8:22pm
    Sad story but it is a 'ACT' issue not the Federal Government. Why have you not contacted your local MP - ACT or Federal rather than heads of departments?
    hyacinth
    11th Apr 2019
    6:58pm
    I shall not be voting at the next election until I can get someone to take the case of my Grandson to parliament and tell of the way in which he has been shockingly treated by certain members of the ACT police, certain members of the ACT judiciary and the ACT DPP. Wrongfully accused of horrendous acts he was put into solitary confinement for four and a half months in the notorious maximum security prison at Goulburn . It took a lady Det Sgt Leesa Alexander through her diligence and perseverance to uncover the truth . The female person who caused all this harm aided and abetted by corrupt police is now in prison with a three year sentence having to serve two years without parole. Some oy you may have read The Sunday Weekend magazine about the case in February ,some of you may have watched 60 minutes last Sunday That is the story of my Grandson. Now the family is having to fight for compensation that is not forthcoming from these ACT departments. No apology has been given for the horrendous treatment he received .Until someone can come along from any of the parties and say "yes I will fight for your Grandon and his parents to get restitution " shall I vote This family was shattered Financially it cost $600000 in lawyers fees they have had to sell their home a marriage was broken through all the emotional and financial stress . The good character was taken from an innocent young man he lost his job he lost everything all through someone who after five long years admitted to lying. If heads of departments in State governments cannot do the right thing then I call upon someone in the Federal Government to show that they have the guts to represent members of the public when needed. I wonder "who has the balls????"
    Brissiegirl
    11th Apr 2019
    9:53pm
    I feel very sorry to hear what happened to your loved grandson. There are thousands of men suffering immense hardship due to lying females, to one degree or another but in this case it has been heartbreakingly cruel. Yet there is so much given to women's groups and nothing for men (their suicide statistics tell the story of how society treats them). Every day we are hearing about #Me Too, domestic violence that is only violence against women with zilch attention to psychological violence perpetrated by women against their male partners.
    I sincerely wish you and your family, and your grandson, a much fairer and happier future. There is always tomorrow, a new day and with it, new hope.
    Misty
    12th Apr 2019
    1:04pm
    I watched your Grandson's story on 60 Minuytes and was appalled at the way he was treated by the police, your whole family has suffered financial hardship and mental stress and someone should be held accountable for that. I am glad your grandson has found a new partner and seems happy at last.

    13th Apr 2019
    10:38am
    Some sensible perspective from Alan Kohler in an article on Labor's tax proposals.

    Such objective comment is very welcome in a world of wild emotion, greed, envy and self-interest. It would be nice if Labor supporters started standing up for fairness and demanded Shorten compromise (and show some respect for people who are contributing more than fairly to the Treasury but are being demonised by Labor with gross lies and cruel threats). We do not need the social division nor the hurt threats of unfair deprivation and justifying lies are causing. By his arrogance and obvious contempt for self-supporting retirees, Shorten shows himself to be unqualified for a leadership role. Showing some humility and willingness to yield to fairness would win him a lot more support.

    "Franking my dear…

    Speaking of Labor’s tax plans, investors should definitely NOT react to the plan to abolish cash refunds for franking credits until they see the whites of its eyes.

    The ALP won’t control the Senate and most of the cross-benchers are dead against it; Labor will get the Greens onside, but it won’t be enough.

    Therefore the legislation will have to be negotiated. To what end? I have no leaked insights on this, but I think the obvious “give” by Labor to the independents will be to put a cap on what you can claim in refunds.

    Depending on where the cap landed it would remove most, if not all, of the unfairness problems with it. There’s a $1.6 million cap on tax-free SMSFs in pension mode, so that seems a good place to start.

    Most SMSFs are overweight Australian equities, so the average allocation is probably something like 50%, or more, yielding 5%, which means franked dividends on a $1.6 million portfolio of $40,000 and franking credits of $17,000.

    Labor will start negotiating low, no doubt trying to base the cap on what an Australian equities allocation should be, rather than what it is, so 35%. That produces franking credits on a $1.6 million portfolio of $12,000.

    I expect that the negotiation will land somewhere between the two – say, $15,000, which seems about right to me, perhaps a touch high, with Chris Bowen trying to keep it to $10,000.

    In any case, this saga has some way to run.

    As for Labor’s other tax plans:

    1.Confining negative gearing to new properties is good policy, wrongly timed, because it will, at the margin, lead to a deeper housing price decline. That’s not because investors will dump their houses and apartments – they definitely won’t because the policy is grandfathered, so to sell is to shoot yourself in the foot – but because there will be fewer buyers for existing properties. Also, increased investor demand for new properties will tend to support the whole market. That’s why I say “at the margin” – I don’t believe it will cause some kind of property Armageddon, but it certainly won’t help.

    2.Halving the capital gains tax discount is also good policy because the discount was introduced to account for the impact of inflation (you should have to pay tax on capital gains that are simply caused by inflation) and inflation has now halved since then. My problem with it is that the discount will never be increased back to where it was when/if inflation goes back up.

    3.Taxing trusts as companies at 30%, is blunt and if it raises much money it will be because it hurts many small businesses. It’s part of Labor’s bias towards unionised, salaried workforces and against small businesses battling away on their own, usually husband and wife, often the kids as well. The reason it won’t raise much money, and possibly even cause a reduction in tax revenue, is because family trusts will start distributing cash via PAYE salaries rather than distributions, and all beneficiaries on lower tax rates than 30% will get paid first. The only money left in trusts will be what would otherwise been distributed to higher taxpayers.

    13th Apr 2019
    10:39am
    Some sensible perspective from Alan Kohler in an article on Labor's tax proposals.

    Such objective comment is very welcome in a world of wild emotion, greed, envy and self-interest. It would be nice if Labor supporters started standing up for fairness and demanded Shorten compromise (and show some respect for people who are contributing more than fairly to the Treasury but are being demonised by Labor with gross lies and cruel threats). We do not need the social division nor the hurt threats of unfair deprivation and justifying lies are causing. By his arrogance and obvious contempt for self-supporting retirees, Shorten shows himself to be unqualified for a leadership role. Showing some humility and willingness to yield to fairness would win him a lot more support.

    "Franking my dear…

    Speaking of Labor’s tax plans, investors should definitely NOT react to the plan to abolish cash refunds for franking credits until they see the whites of its eyes.

    The ALP won’t control the Senate and most of the cross-benchers are dead against it; Labor will get the Greens onside, but it won’t be enough.

    Therefore the legislation will have to be negotiated. To what end? I have no leaked insights on this, but I think the obvious “give” by Labor to the independents will be to put a cap on what you can claim in refunds.

    Depending on where the cap landed it would remove most, if not all, of the unfairness problems with it. There’s a $1.6 million cap on tax-free SMSFs in pension mode, so that seems a good place to start.

    Most SMSFs are overweight Australian equities, so the average allocation is probably something like 50%, or more, yielding 5%, which means franked dividends on a $1.6 million portfolio of $40,000 and franking credits of $17,000.

    Labor will start negotiating low, no doubt trying to base the cap on what an Australian equities allocation should be, rather than what it is, so 35%. That produces franking credits on a $1.6 million portfolio of $12,000.

    I expect that the negotiation will land somewhere between the two – say, $15,000, which seems about right to me, perhaps a touch high, with Chris Bowen trying to keep it to $10,000.

    In any case, this saga has some way to run.

    As for Labor’s other tax plans:

    1.Confining negative gearing to new properties is good policy, wrongly timed, because it will, at the margin, lead to a deeper housing price decline. That’s not because investors will dump their houses and apartments – they definitely won’t because the policy is grandfathered, so to sell is to shoot yourself in the foot – but because there will be fewer buyers for existing properties. Also, increased investor demand for new properties will tend to support the whole market. That’s why I say “at the margin” – I don’t believe it will cause some kind of property Armageddon, but it certainly won’t help.

    2.Halving the capital gains tax discount is also good policy because the discount was introduced to account for the impact of inflation (you should have to pay tax on capital gains that are simply caused by inflation) and inflation has now halved since then. My problem with it is that the discount will never be increased back to where it was when/if inflation goes back up.

    3.Taxing trusts as companies at 30%, is blunt and if it raises much money it will be because it hurts many small businesses. It’s part of Labor’s bias towards unionised, salaried workforces and against small businesses battling away on their own, usually husband and wife, often the kids as well. The reason it won’t raise much money, and possibly even cause a reduction in tax revenue, is because family trusts will start distributing cash via PAYE salaries rather than distributions, and all beneficiaries on lower tax rates than 30% will get paid first. The only money left in trusts will be what would otherwise been distributed to higher taxpayers.
    Dermot
    14th Apr 2019
    1:18am
    Anyone who votes for Scummo must be off their medication !!!
    ex PS
    17th Apr 2019
    10:50am
    I reckon Slowmoo is looking forward to an early retirement. He can't think he can win with the non policies that he has put forward.
    Dermot
    14th Apr 2019
    1:23am
    I did not realise how many knuckle draggers there are, until I read some of the posts on this site put out by nutters. I suppose most of these clowns also believe the earth is flat !!!
    Anonymous
    15th Apr 2019
    5:22pm
    A lot of them believe the handouts will last forever and no matter how aggressively you milk the cows, they will keep on feeding the bludgers and useless. Unfortunately, they will learn that when it's no longer rewarding to strive, there is nothing left to hand out.


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