Reduced statin use may cost lives

The airing of an ABC program has led 60,000 people to reduce or cease taking statins.

Reduced statin use may cost lives

A study which was published in The Medical Journal of Australia, conducted by researchers at the University of Sydney, has found that around 60,000 people have reduced or stopped taking their statin medication since the airing of a 2013 two-part documentary series on the ABC science program Catalyst.

The two-part program, Heart of the Matter, was watched by almost 1.5 million Australians. The program claimed that the link between saturated fat, cholesterol and heart disease was "the biggest myth in medical history". The program also described statin medication as “toxic”, using statistics that were later refuted and quoting experts who had conflicts of interest.

Researchers examined the PBS records of 191,833 people between July 2009 and June 2014. In the eight months immediately following the broadcast of the Catalyst episode, they found that approximately 60,897 fewer people filled their statin prescriptions. However, the study found that as of mid-2014, the rate at which statin medication was being dispensed had remained unchanged. 

“If patients continue to avoid statins over the next five years, this could result in between 1,522 and 2,900 preventable, and potentially fatal, heart attacks and strokes,” the study concluded.

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Opinion: Ask your doctor

While television programs and magazines may give you insights and make you question your medications, when it comes to potentially life altering medical advice, there is no substitute for the opinion of a medical professional.

The ABC is normally known for producing programs of the highest quality, based on well-researched expert opinion and accurate information, so it was a reasonable assumption by viewers that they could accept on face value the findings and conclusions in the two-part documentary. Unfortunately this time, the ABC failed its viewers, but acknowledged that there were problems with the program and removed it from its online streaming service iview.

What is most troubling to me is that the study found a reduced use of statins in patients who were being dispensed medication for diabetes, a group at higher risk of cardiovascular disease.

As with anything important in life, always seek a second opinion.  

What do you think? Should the ABC be held responsible for the airing of inaccurate information? Did you see the program? Did you stop using statin medication as a result? 





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    Pudding
    16th Jun 2015
    10:20am
    I agreed with the ABC as I had very bad side effects with statins. My daughter also has had very bad side effects with statins. Of course it makes it hard for me as I react to so many medications.
    Maggie May
    16th Jun 2015
    10:28am
    We did not see the ABC programme, however my spouse is convinced that the statins are "killing" him. His doctor agrees with his decision to STOP taking statin medication. He has had very bad side effects with the statins. By the sound of it we would agree with the ABC programme!
    Precious 1
    17th Jun 2015
    10:48pm
    I totally agree with him....I feel 200% now off all of them except the Met.

    16th Jun 2015
    10:34am
    What do you think? Should the ABC be held responsible for the airing of inaccurate information?
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2015
    12:25pm
    Drew!!
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2015
    3:22pm
    The ABC's station report was said by the media to be "unbalanced". Is this lack of equilibrium the reason why "our" (HA!) station leans to the left?
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    3:45pm
    Fast Eddie
    The "Other Side" of the argument is provided with "Ample Exposure" by the MULTINATIONAL owned Media in general.
    These media NEVER outlines the opposing "Point of View" to ANY extent if at all.
    They are EXTREMELY BIASED AND UNBALANCED!!!
    WHO pays WHO sets the scene for these actions!
    Precious 1
    20th Jun 2015
    2:16pm
    No one is obliged at ALL taking any pills or potions...You know your own body........so if you have doubts in any way I wouldn't be in it at all......I heard also that some drugs or whatever can or may start other stuff off...My Mum was a pill box and I would never want to go down her path...Her Physician at the end of her life told me plainly she was addicted to take pills from her Dr and he would know too.....and also she was never allergic to cats, fish and the like lolol when the closet is opened all sorts of devils fly out...lolol...some people who live in my vicinity consider it a day out going to see their Dr and give cakes and gifts etc...I believe it has stopped now......
    Lookfar
    16th Jun 2015
    10:41am
    Unfortunately, Doctors are often forced to take a fixed conservative position, it would be a career threatening situation for any doctor to support the growing evidence of vaccination problems, and my local doctor has an anti skin cancer salve pamphlet based on an old article in an American newspaper, - hardly evidence based peer reviewed! I feel the drug companies have far too much influence on the conventional medical system particularly because they have not only conflicts of self interest which they deny, but vociferously promote their self interest.
    Time for more independent medical assessment programs, e.g. a properly conducted trial of e.g. salve supervised by both sides of the argument, not just a blank 5 million dollar fine (I have been told) on the recommendation of the AMA, that is not science but just bullying.
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    2:48pm
    Many vaccinations are a scam as well. Flu vaccination is last year's flu virus at the best. My biggest concern is that people think they are protected and as such fail to take precautions that one normally would and as such spread the virus.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    3:06pm
    Bonny,
    You seem very "Well Informed".
    Below some more info - just in case you missed it.
    http://tinyurl.com/plvggnq
    http://tinyurl.com/nbbj94h
    http://tinyurl.com/mefvopj
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    3:29pm
    My son suffered badly with both the MRR and whooping cough vaccines and now has a form of autism. So I have been researching this stuff for years and the results of this are shocking to say the least.

    Did you know you can request a blood test for immunity before having certain vaccinations? It's not done or well known because it's more cost effective just to job someone and hope for the best.

    Enough said.
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    3:39pm
    Bonny, you can have your own opinion, but that doesn't always make you right. For the first 60 or so years of my life I caught the flu as often as everybody else. I have had the Flu Vaccine every year since 1998 and can honestly say I have not had a single dose since.
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    3:47pm
    I can't remember ever getting anything other than a bit of a cold but I know people who have the flu vaccine and get sick for weeks.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    3:58pm
    Young Simmo
    Never get vaccinated, never get a cold, never get a flue!
    I get inocculkated when walking down the street with the CURRENT strain rather than with LAST YEAR's Strain!
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    5:05pm
    Yeh, we are all different, and I know and do what is best for me.
    The last 17 years without a cold or flu means the free needles are the way to go.
    I don't believe in flirting with a good or bad life, I will leave that to the suckers of the world.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    5:30pm
    Young Simmo
    I believe that we're not telling you that you should not take your statins. At least I am not because I get good results without them!
    In quite a few "Blind Studies" (not especially statins but generally) many of those receiving the "Sugar Pills" had their issues resolved as well or sometimes more effectively than those who "Took the Drugs".
    Neither of these were called "Suckers" I seem to recall.
    It only proves how powerful the mind really is!
    KSS
    16th Jun 2015
    5:57pm
    Bonny you need to do a bit more research. The flu vaccine cannot make anyone sick. The virus is not live and cannot infect anyone. When people do become sick shortly after receiving the flu vaccination it is because they had already contracted a virus but were not showing a high enough viral load for symptoms to be present. It has absolutely nothing to do with the flu vaccine.

    And I should correct your impression that the flu vaccination doesn't work because it is based on the previous year's virus. This is not strictly true either. It is based on the infections in the Northern Hemisphere in the same year. This year 2015, there were two flu viruses that predominated and the vaccine was made to fight those. However, a third virus emerged which meant the vaccine had to be reformulated to incorporate that one as well. That's why this year the vaccine availability was delayed by about a month.
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    6:05pm
    Flu vaccine is just another drug company scam.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    6:11pm
    KSS
    The link below - indeed - agrees that the virus part of the vaccine injected is NOT alive & Active. Dr, Jack also explains - in detail - what all the other CRAP is that is injected alongside with the vaccine, what it does and what it is SUPPOSED to do!
    VERY INTERESTING INDEED!!
    http://live.radioamerica.org/loudwater/player.pl?name=jss
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    6:12pm
    Bonny
    Indeed, just another one amongst the multitude in Modern Medicine.
    That's why the USofA has the FDA - the DRUG GESTAPO!
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    6:23pm
    I took an old lady to her doctor's a few years ago for a flu shot and to get it she had to sign a form. She just signed so I read it while waiting for the doctor. There is no way I would have signed that form without crossing at least half of the content out.
    Precious 1
    19th Jun 2015
    3:09pm
    Funny how people always seem to blame or refer in that way to USA...I been there and told several times not to show my Oz passport only fly with the UK passport...after the last time of four mentions about this I asked the Airport Staff why should this be so...they said they regard us to be trouble makers etc etc and with my UK Passport I can travel and shown respect......in any country in the world.....I heard this now many times.......is it the accent or is it I not loud spoken....lolololololol
    alinejordan
    16th Jun 2015
    10:54am
    i stopped taking the statin not because of any programme on tv, but because they were causing me unbearable muscle pain. even on a much lower dose, i still have really sore muscles (arms and legs). they need to find a way to make a cholesterol lowering medication without this impossible side effect.
    migmag
    16th Jun 2015
    11:01am
    I also had very bad side effects with Statins. There are many other ways of reducing cholesterol which should be widely talked about before doctor's dish out medication. There's a good web site named The Real Cholestrol Truth which is highly respected and the information given is from many Doctor's who question the use of Statins.
    migmag
    16th Jun 2015
    11:08am
    www.thecholesteroltruth.com/

    This is the website.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    4:33pm
    migmag
    I think that this info supports the ABCs opinion so - it must be ill researched.
    JUST KIDDING of course.
    Just "fairly plain healthy living" does it for me!
    YOUR SITE REFLECTS THE TRUTH!
    Inky Black
    16th Jun 2015
    11:32am
    Drew Patchell seems to exhibit as much bias in one direction as the ABC show did in the other direction. The medical profession seems very good at accepting what they are told by drug manufacturers, and not too surprisingly - they cannot expect to do all their own tests to determine the effectiveness of everything available on all diseases. And so they rely on the drug companies ... anyone remember thalidomide?

    ANd who says the ABC were disseminating false information? I have always considered their science/environment style programmes very well presented within the usual limits of human error. I vote for the ABC ... HARD!
    dougie
    16th Jun 2015
    11:56am
    To me this just shows how bad the ABC has become. Evidently they did their story without the proper behind the scenes investigative review and once again they got caught. The ABC was once a paragon amongst the broadcasters, now they are just a second rate muck raising entity that uses gutter tactics and is as bad as the tabloid press and the Murdock empire. I have been on Statins for years and with no ill effect. Had you heard what my cardiologist said at the time, we would have all blushed.
    The sooner the ABC realises what it is there for and returns to it's previous self the better. Get rid of all of the foul mouthed people who have shows and call themselves and actor or worse still a commentator. They are just rude boorish gutter mouthed individuals whoo could not make it in a commercial world.
    Polly Esther
    16th Jun 2015
    12:15pm
    A very harsh comment indeed dougie, but you've got my vote. I agree with you!! LOL
    moke
    16th Jun 2015
    1:15pm
    Dougie were you aware that not every one has the same system and what works for you may not work for everyone. So don't knock things until you can do the science yourself.
    dougie
    16th Jun 2015
    2:35pm
    Moke,
    Not knocking the science of it just that the ABC put a poorly researched program to air which could have cost lives. Those who cannot utilise the Statins need that same science to fit them with alternatives. My point is just that the ABC has seriously lost it's ability to provide good well researched information and utilises a lot of shows that I am not comfortable sitting through because of the language etc. No I am not a poefaced old man just someone who respects his wife - mother and sisters too much to put them through this low standard of so called entertainment.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    2:49pm
    dougie
    I disagree with the "poorly researched program" remark.
    A "Web Search" reveals MUCH "Alternative Research" on the subject with "Totally Opposing" (most of the time well Qualified) opinions relating to the cause/reason/purpose of High cholesterol.
    Agree that those "Points of View" are - generally - not in the "Public Eye" causing the "Official" opinion to be quite "One Sided".
    The ABC, on many occasions, tend to correct such ideologies by presenting the "Underdog's" points of view.
    This - on many occasions - ruffles the feathers of those who think/believe that THEY are GODS in their own right and that other opinions are worthless!!

    People MUST not deprived the right to EVALUATE ALL FACTS and from their on draw their OWN conclusions.
    That's a FREEDOM we OFFICIALLY still have.
    However, it is deteriorating extremely fast!
    dougie
    17th Jun 2015
    10:19am
    Patriot,
    If the program had not been poorly researched and showed a true perspective, why has it been removed from the archives of ABC?
    Patriot
    17th Jun 2015
    11:11am
    dougie
    Pressure from the "Big-End of Town" being the Drug Cartels directly or Indirectly via their slaves (OUR Government). The “Anecdote” related below will provide some ammunition for this assumption!

    Explain the following:
    The Theraputic Goods Administration (TGA) took a chap, living in Qld., to court because he was selling an ointment by the name of CANSEMA which was not registered by them despite it ONLY containing HERBS. ALL ingredients (herbs) contained therein are available for purchase in Aust as individual herbs without ANY limitation.
    They ruined him financially & physically via the STRESS he was subjected to!
    He ws lucky on his “Day in Court” that the Judge was benevolent and chose to apply “COMMON LAW” rather than “MARITIME LAW” which is commonly applied these days!
    The magistrate did NOT apply a fine as “NO HARM” to anyone could be proven or suspected!!!

    My question now is, why did not this same Magistrate FINE the TGA for Wasting the Court's time and also our TAX Money????

    The formula for making this "Skin Cancer" ointment is published on the web (BLACK SALVE &/or CANSEMA) on quite a number of sites.
    The "Anecdotal Evidence (???)" certainly suggests that the ointment works. Not withstanding that, the TGA ALLEGEDLY has even gone so far as to "Close Down" one website showing the results of the process in quite graphical stages via Illustrious pictures. Threats to this PRIVATE person who was running (not advertising) this site have ALLEGEDLY been made to achieve this.

    I think Edward Snowdon is right! People's personal Liberties & Freedoms in Russia surpass our's by quite some – ever increasing - degree.
    Precious 1
    20th Jun 2015
    2:03pm
    Yep I totally agree with the muckraking of onetime great Channel on TV and Radio.....I would also say the radio has become somewhat an enigma regarding its music its playing these days between announcers or show reps......last night it had improved from the bone rattling loud rap style some of us older ones don t really like late at night lolol no I not a grinder on but really wheres their sense..I oft think it still up their backsides.....
    Old Dog
    16th Jun 2015
    12:16pm
    Regrettably too many people are willing to jump to conclusions regarding all things to do with health. Probably because "health" is a matter hard to comprehend. Consider, Doctors are only people, albeit highly trained people. People sometimes are mistaken. All drugs MAY cause side effects. Not all drugs WILL cause side effects. One that upsets me may have no effect on you. Even medications sold "over the counter" or in a health food store can kill you. Probably won't, but the potential is there. Perhaps the best medicine is a good dose of common sense, tempered with a small amount of scepticism. The material presented by the ABC was largely correct but it was for the most part only one side of the coin. Did it stop me from taking Statins? No. After bypass surgery my statin dose has been increased as has my daily intake of a whole bunch of other medications. Some that I considered to be causing problems have been either stopped or changed after consultation with my Doctor. So far, after a year has gone by and aside from rattling, no problems. Previously, I have had 30 years experience in Pathology.
    KSS
    16th Jun 2015
    1:39pm
    30 years in pharmacology may have helped more!
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    1:49pm
    KSS
    Pathology and pharmacology are not the same.
    In fact, they are a difference of a day & night!
    Polly Esther
    16th Jun 2015
    3:38pm
    Patriot
    You are right, I think that is what KSS means. LOL !!
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    12:20pm
    To all the people claiming to have had bad reactions, was that proven? or just a wild guess. I say this because I have been taking 80 mg Lipitor since about 2000. And I have had no problems, good Cholesterol numbers, and 13 years after my Triple bypass I have not had a single tickle in my chest. I swear by them.
    Am I just lucky?
    I also saw that show on the ABC and decided, to ignore it till my Dr advised me to change my ways.
    I know we are all different and at 75, I am cruising, YEEEEHAAAA.
    Not a Bludger
    16th Jun 2015
    12:23pm
    The ABC should be condemned out of hand for transmitting this reprehensibly irresponsible program and it should publicly acknowledge that the program content is wrong and misleading - what a further waste of my taxpayer money
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    12:24pm
    I have not seen the program(s) and therefore am limited to some remarks & conclusions which can be drawn from the following – online – article.
    http://www.australasianscience.com.au/article/issue-november-2013/viewing-catalysts-cholesterol-programs-through-sceptometer.html

    The portrayal that “Various Statin Opposing Specialists” are seemingly “Pushing their own products” is – in my opinion – one sided and UNBALANCED criticism.
    Let us not forget that BigPharma employs identical tactics with “Massive Advertising”, the National Medical Associations of just about any country supports BigPharma as does – Generally - the whole Medical Profession as this is what young doctors are taught at OUR Universities. They also throw Zillions $$$ at it via advertising! DRUGS, DRUGS, DRUGS!!!

    The observation made by the AMA President is even more disturbing, and I quote: “ . . . . . claimed the programs “gave extraordinary weight to an opinion that is a minority view . . . . !
    Via this statement he seems to suggest that any Minority Opinion MUST BE automatically WRONG. Let us not forget that ALL important discoveries started off as a MINORITY View!!!

    I understand that the reason of elevated cholesterol levels is because the human body – in all its wisdom – is attempting to close (plug up) the damage/leakages to the inner layers of our arteries caused by inflammatory processes as a result of the lifestyle most of us currently lead.
    In other words, Arteriosclerosis & associated levels of Bad Cholesterol are really a “Healing Process” which stops us from slowly “Bleeding to Death” internally.
    Arteriosclerosis makes a “Slow Progression” and may – these days – start in our children.

    Some causes of this Inflammation are listed as follows:
    Smoking & Alcohol
    The Pill and HRT.
    diseases, such as arthritis, lupus, Diabetes or infections
    Lack of exercise
    Stress
    Hidden or chronic infections with viruses, bacteria, yeasts, or parasites
    Hidden allergens from food or the environment
    Toxins such as mercury and pesticides
    Mould toxins and allergens
    De-nurtured, highly processed food
    As can be understood, the plague layer on the inside of the arteries makes for a narrower blood passage with the consequence that the heart has to provide a “Higher Pressure” to facilitate an adequate “Blood-flow” to the cells.
    The above list is not complete (but there's more). However, as you can see the problem “Can be Prevented” easily by living a more Holistic lifestyle in a more holistic environment.
    Statins Drugs simply STOP our bodies from manufacturing Cholesterol via “Little Chemical Tricks”! As a consequence, the plaque is slowly dissolved and can “Break Off” providing the potential for trombosis & Anurisms. Eventually, the arteries will start leaking again when the plaque has reduced adequately! However, The cholesterol Level & Blood Pressure have been lowered.
    Whilst genetics CAN provide a tendency towards “Inflammation” and provide a “Loaded Gun” it CERTAINLY is our “Lifestyle” that “Pulls the Trigger”. The links below are provided for verification & additional info!
    http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Arteriosclerosis_-_what_causes_it_and_how_to_prevent_it
    http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Cholesterol/WhyCholesterolMatters/Atherosclerosis_UCM_305564_Article.jsp/
    https://www.atrainceu.com/course-module/1473410-76_statins-controlling-cholesterol-module-2
    If the ABC provided – as I assume – a “Strong argument against the use of Statins” I think they should be commended for exposing “The other side” of the Statin Discussion rather than penalised!
    On the other hand, those who elect to condemn the ABC for “One Sided Reporting” then MUST also evaluate if the “Whole of the Conventional Medical Profession & Drug Industry”should also be condemned for “Only Recommending Drug Therapy” rather than promoting/exploring the “Less costly & healthier” alternative of living a “more Sober Life” thereby providing LESS support to our “Consumer Society” without the major stimulations to the Industrial Giants.
    As for the viewers, I believe that Statin Drugs are – generally - prescribed to people who are mature & of “Sane Mind”. If they are not able minded enough to raise the appropriate questions and conduct adequate personal research to support their decisions decisions, this should not be an excuse to “Silence” those who the promoters of the “Drug Cartels” would like to “Shut Up”.
    Certainly we do not want to use this as an excuse to continue advancing the “Nanny State” any further!
    To conclude: “There is much more money to be made from Sick People than from Healthy ones”.
    We – the people – must make the correct decisions which ensure a wholesome lifestyle in a holistic environment. If we're not, we deserve what we get! But do our (grand)children?????
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    12:28pm
    WOW so many people bagging the ABC. For my money anybody stupid enough to change their medication because of a TV show, should ring their local Radio Station and get some advice on how to treat BRAIN FADE.
    Better still ring Joe Hockey and ask him how to stop your wife spending so much money.
    pate
    16th Jun 2015
    12:55pm
    Too much criticism of the ABC as far as I am concerned I too wTCHED HE SHow and went to my Doctor & asked her why I had to take Statins as after all I had been in lots of pain that was not there in the past, She told me not to take them for 1 month then we would have blood tests done etc, so the blood tests proved that something was needed and as I was mre & more anti drugs I did some investigation whilst taking her second choice. The end result is that my cousin has since been taken off statins by his doctor and I found a natural solution.have since had another blood test which proves the natural one is working, hurrah, sorry Doc but I am not falling for Big Pharma's B/Sh*t.
    pate
    16th Jun 2015
    1:07pm
    Doctors are not forced to take the drug path they choose to receive all the goodies. Ever look around the surhery & notice how much of yhe furnishings is provided by Dug Ciompanies. EG Pens etc are all either phiezer or some other name on them. Also does your doctor drive the latest big car or go on holidays to America etc. as mine did this year. Oh and by the way my Doctor never charges me.
    Aloysius
    16th Jun 2015
    1:10pm
    Christine Cronau (nutritionist and author) has stated:

    I just watched a segment on the news, stating that 3,000 Australians may be at risk for a heart attack or stroke because they watched the program and decided to stop their cholesterol lowering drugs.
    The Medical Journal of Australia says that because of the show, sixty thousand Australians cut back on or stopped taking anti-cholesterol drugs.
    With headlines like these, I expected to see some stories about people who stopped their medications in 2013 and then suffered a heart attack...but no such data was presented.
    Simply more warnings people stopping their medications is "worrying" and "alarming."
    Could it be that it is worrying and alarming for the producers of the biggest selling drug in the world?
    I am often asked about my take on cholesterol-lowering drugs. I always say, that knowing how these drugs work, I would not take them no matter what my cholesterol.
    In addition, I know how essential cholesterol is. And the fact is, cholesterol heals.
    If we do have inflammation, calcification of the arteries, or other issues, cholesterol is likely to rise. Why? Because it is attempting to heal the damage.
    If we then go and lower cholesterol, we are taking away the body's only protection it did have for preventing a heart attack.
    And, we know it is not the cholesterol causing the damage. In fact, almost 75% of those who have a heart attack DO NOT HAVE HIGH CHOLESTEROL!
    But I could almost guarantee that the majority would have high blood sugar.
    In addition, studies show that cholesterol-lowering drugs INCREASE risk of atherosclerosis by 3!
    In addition, the vitamin K2 in fatty foods such as grass fed butter, pastured egg yolks and fatty cheeses like Brie and Gouda, helps prevent heart disease. If we do have calcification of the arteries, vitamin K2 helps clear that out. Its job is the correct distribution of calcium in the body.
    What does it all mean? Well, unfortunately, it is the case currently, that many people who are determined at high risk for a heart attack (because of high cholesterol, for example), who are put on the standard treatment regime of a low-fat diet, combined with cholesterol-lowering drugs, will actually increase their risk of a heart attack.
    It is not those telling the truth about the cholesterol myth who are putting lives in danger.
    Time for the truth.
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    1:28pm
    Well Aloysius, you can rattle on as much as you like but, I aint changing anything in my medication program.
    My life has gone like this.
    1999, started taking Lipitor, and progressed 20 mg, 40 mg, 80 mg.
    June 2000, Stopped smoking. ( After 45 years non-stop)
    Feb 2002, had a Tripple Bypass.
    June 2015, going along nicely with my rebuilt engine, no heart problems and lived 32 longer than my Father who died of a heart attack on his 43rd birthday.
    I wouldn't change anything.
    I believe that without Cholesterol, I would probably have thrown in the towel many moons ago.
    KSS
    16th Jun 2015
    1:38pm
    And Young Simmo, the stopping smoking 15 years ago probably helped you along somewhat too.
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    1:57pm
    You are dead right KSS, pun intended, and I was dreading stopping and it turned out to be a piece of cake.
    Today when I look at the prices of Ciggies I shudder.
    I was working for Rio Tinto who took part in the annual Gov't run QUIT program, and I had a rush of blood and signed up.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    4:17pm
    Aloysius
    Lot of GOOD & TRUE facts in your posting
    Low Fat - generally - means high sugar to make up for the "lack of Flavour".
    GOOD FATS are ESSENTIAL for GOOD HEALTH. Our Cell-Walls are lipids and the brain is a major percentage made of Fats.
    Olive oil for salads & Coconut Oil for cooking!
    Kopernicus
    17th Jun 2015
    7:47am
    Agree with your statements on the utter confusion caused by the profound change of advice on saturated fats, compounded by the lack of unanimity of scientific consensus on this issue.
    Do not agree with the proposition that blood sugars elevation is responsible for atherosclerosis. If you mean diabetes, sure it does increase cardiovascuar risk and should be diagnosed and managed to prevent this. Otherwise there is no such elevation in non diabetics, as I understand it.
    There is no indication that low cholesterol is an issue either. PNG natives (with little exposure to serious modernization of diet and lifestyle) have extremely low cholesterol and a virtual absence of heart disease.

    16th Jun 2015
    1:31pm
    What about the actual question that Drew asked?

    What do you think? Should the ABC be held responsible for the airing of inaccurate information?
    Maggie May
    16th Jun 2015
    3:19pm
    Not that I saw the programme, but in this case, I say NO! It seems that, MAYBE, the information was not necessarily "inaccurate"? perhaps some of the info was "inconvenient" ?? for the drug companies ... ??
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    3:22pm
    Maggie May
    I think You're right about it being "an Inconvenient truth" for the "Drug Cartels" & their "Hangers On"!
    Anonymous
    17th Jun 2015
    10:14am
    So you think Drew is working for the Drug companies ?
    KSS
    16th Jun 2015
    1:36pm
    This statin issue is very similar to the knee jerk reaction that happened a few years ago to HRT which supposedly found that it doubled the breast cancer risk in some women. The fact that the risk was still very very small did not stop some women throwing away their pills.

    The point is, there will always be some who do not bother to seek proper advice before making decisions that may or may not be in their best interest.

    My own view is that I would prefer to take a more 'natural route' where possible e.g. change diet, lifestyle, proven supplements prescribed by an integrative GP and see whether they work saving pharmaceuticals as a last resort. I do think statins and the like are over prescribed and often the first port of call for many GPs. They also clearly do not suit everyone and there are well known side effects as people here can attest. Does that make the ABC wrong? I don't think so. There is more and more evidence of less of a link between dietary cholesterol and high cholesterol and heart disease than has been previously thought. In fact there is more and more compelling evidence that some of the so called healthy fats and oils are not as healthy as they have been portrayed. And let's not get started on the effects of sugar and high fructose corn syrup and the link between that and high levels of inflammation in the body that is responsible for all kinds of ills! The point is most GPs are not always up to date on the latest research in all areas of medicine, health and lifestyle and it is unreasonable that we should think they ought to be.

    So what to do? We need to be our own health advocate, we need to ask questions, and keep asking until we are comfortable with the outcome. If that means taking statins or any other medication so be it, but we need to be OK with that. If we are not, it is our right to say so and ask more questions perhaps of a second, third or fourth health professional.
    Kopernicus
    17th Jun 2015
    7:31am
    KSS, fully agree with your post - a great summary.
    Morny
    16th Jun 2015
    1:50pm
    You need to decide whether you are willing to swap one problem for another. My husband has developed diabetes since being on statins. He also suffers aches and pains which he didn't have before. I have put him on Co Enzyme Q10 and this has improved. I await to see if the death rate increases because of people stopping their statins. They have a place, but not for everyone. Over 30 million people worldwide are taking these medications, so there is a lot of money to be made by the pharmaceutical firms.
    Penqueen1949
    16th Jun 2015
    1:56pm
    I took one statin and had very bad convulsions all day. I did not take anymore and the convulsions stopped. I won't ever take any again.
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    2:15pm
    Penqueen1949,There are different horses for different courses. I have taken something like 5,475 / 80 mg Lipitor since 2000, and am cruising along nicely.
    Are you sure your convulsions weren't caused by something else, and it was all a coincidence?
    If you have Cholesterol problems, I would at least give it a second try.
    But that's me, and we are all different aren't we?
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    2:19pm
    Penqueen1949
    Some people are lucky and have instant reactions to certain substances whilst others may "Cruise" for years before the side effects "Show".
    Yet others will never be affected negatively !?!?!?

    We're ALL build different with different "Trigger Levels" to certain substances!
    Penqueen1949
    16th Jun 2015
    2:33pm
    When I told my doctor about the convulsions she told me to stop taking them. Most people have headaches from allergies but I don't, I have convulsions.....since 1988 when I developed Chronic Fatigue Syndrone.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    2:40pm
    Penqueen1949
    So, even the "Most Suspicious" amongst us cannot suggest that the opinion leading to your abandonment of the drug, was not qualified.
    Can I ask what your current "Method of Control" is???
    That is, IF you elect to discuss - Don't feel pressured!
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    2:06pm
    First up I was stunned to read that 60,000 people stopped their medications because of one single solitary TV show.
    Then I thought to myself, 60,000 nut cases in a population of 23 million is probably a fairly small ratio of nut cases.
    If stopping your medication over one single solitary TV show doesn't make you a nut case, what does? please explain.
    Lookfar
    16th Jun 2015
    2:20pm
    Simmo, it might mean that you found the arguments convincing, or that you already had a lot of doubts and it was the final straw, there may in fact be no nut cases among that group, - after all you gave up smoking almost on a whim it seems.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    2:28pm
    Lookfar
    Good observation!
    Young Simmo
    16th Jun 2015
    3:02pm
    Lookfar, read it again, **60,000 people stopped their medications because of one single solitary TV show.
    They didn't consult their Doctors, if you consider that to be normal, the mind boggles.
    Stopping smoking wasn't a whim, it was a 44 year and 12 months battle, after starting at 14.
    The Other Judith
    18th Jun 2015
    4:39pm
    I no longer trust my doctor to have correct information. I consider doctors to be technical advisers but I do my own research. The information in the Catalyst program was absolutely correct and I had already reached that decision before the program was aired. If you haven't done your own research then perhaps you should look in a mirror when you talk about "nut cases".
    Young Simmo
    18th Jun 2015
    5:39pm
    Judith, you are obviously a Highly Qualified International Expert, and I am just an average Aussie Bloke. So stop making comparisons as it makes you look a bit Blondyfied. By the way what do you prefer, Peanuts or Almonds?

    I repeat, 60,000 people stopped on the strength of one TV show. DAAAAAAH.
    Patriot
    18th Jun 2015
    6:08pm
    Judith
    Good one Judith. And Good One to at least 60,000 others!
    My doctor was not able to find a deteriorating Gall Bladder (obviously for years) which finally showed as a massive attack once it had become gangrenous (2 Years ago). Even than it was misdiagnosed first! 30mm Rock in its neck had cut off blood supply!
    He simply "Could not be bothered" to ring me for some "follow Up" tests after I was back from hospital for more than 2 months. So, I did my research and Booked an appointment which consisted of telling him which tests I wanted run.
    Granted he was capable to "Fill Out" the required paperwork without hesitation!
    He was Not TOO worried about a "Fatty Liver" (unbreakable living when young) and a few lesions (happen at my age) on one of my kidneys which showed from the tests. After all that kidney was NOT HIS I suppose.

    He simply COULD not make a recommendation on taking "Bile Salts" (not on the Govt list) and advised squarely against changing my Fats to Coconut oil. Margarine (on the Govt list) he suggested!!!
    He did not consider/know that my cell-walls were made of lipids & my brain was made of fats as a major component! He recommended a VERY LOW FAT diet.
    I suggest he might not have understood that Coconut Oil did NOT REQUIRE Bile for processing and that this was the only way to properly process "Fat Soluble Vitamins" from now on.

    In the Not too distant future, I will go back and request the same tests again in order to confirm that a LifeStyle change has cleared those conditions!
    With some exceptions, they're just "Mules for Big Pharma" and deserve to be treated with contempt!

    16th Jun 2015
    2:18pm
    This thread is not about your own opinion of Statins , but about the ABC report..,
    Lookfar
    16th Jun 2015
    2:32pm
    Hi Pete, this is not a vote, the issue is far too wide, many believe that Drew was wrong or partly, others are happy with the level of enquiry on the ABC.
    I must admit I find the ABC quite conservative and 4 corners only critical a lot of the time if you listen carefully to the innuendos. But then I think the status quo needs a lot more challenging and people need to think a lot more.
    BettyBoo
    16th Jun 2015
    2:38pm
    The only thing the ABC needs to be held responsible for is putting to air a well-researched, responsible and important program. And the only failing of the ABC is that they removed the program from public view and to caved to the enormous pressure from the pharmaceutical companies who fear losing their golden egg. Let's hope that there is follow-up on the health of the 60,000 people who ditched their statins. Provided they are following a healthy diet and exercise regime, I'd be very surprised if they suffer any dire consequences as a result of stopping a very questionable medication.
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    2:43pm
    I agree and that alone tells me a lot about drug companies.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    2:51pm
    BettyBoo & Bonny
    NAILED IT in ONE!!!!!
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    2:41pm
    About time someone questioned the drug companies as they have got away with too many scams for far too long. Statins must be close to the top of the list. Yes I too question doctors and drug companies as well. Doctors hate me as I look up the side effects of any medication prescribed and many times I just refuse to take them. I find most drugs is a lot of give for not much take and so look for alternative ways of fixing the ailment.

    Diet, exercise and good living choices will help one more than prescribed drugs. It's easy to double one's cholesterol just add lots of eggs to one's diet. Approx. 80% of cholesterol is produced by the brain so stopping that production must be effecting one's brain function.

    For someone my age to not be on any prescribed medications I must be doing a little bit right.
    gazza48
    16th Jun 2015
    2:42pm
    I think the ABC should produce a program that now has the correct information in it to set the record straight. It (the ABC) , stuffed up so it should fix it up, as best it can.
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    2:44pm
    ABC didn't stuff up that's the point.
    Young
    16th Jun 2015
    3:41pm
    I love Dougies comments.
    I had a heart attack 16 years ago and have been on statins ever since.My cholesterol is now within safe limits.No side effects at all.
    I walk both morning and afternoon and have just returned from a trip to Hong Kong and Vietnam.Never felt better.
    Off to the Gold Coast next week.
    Do not watch A B C current affairs programs.
    I like their English detective shows.
    Young
    16th Jun 2015
    3:48pm
    Of course the ABC should be held responsible for this scare mongering show that was full of inaccurate information.All of my friends who are taking statins are suffering no ill effects and all are very healthy.
    Many people could have died because of this program.
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    6:29pm
    Do any of your friends actually need statins? I know myself a doctor has given me a script and even though I never took it they were satisfied that it was doing me good. I rarely take an medication prescribed by a doctor because a lot of the time doctors only give out scripts to give us something for their services. I hardy ever take any medication prescribed now.
    EELS
    20th Jun 2015
    2:06pm
    Why do you bother to go to the GP Bonny if you are not prepared to accept their prognosis and subsequent recommendations for remedy?
    Young Simmo
    20th Jun 2015
    2:19pm
    Bonny, you will probably be Stunned and Amazed to learn the following.

    (1) Lots of people need one medication.
    (2) Lots of people need a few medications.
    (3) Lots of people need lots of medications.

    It's a fact of life, we aint all lucky like you.
    Kopernicus
    16th Jun 2015
    4:45pm
    I'd call the ABC neither right nor wrong. I think the decision on statin use should be far more nuanced than just giving them to nearly everyone. Yes, as seen here, there are side effects for a significant minority, some quite severe and painful and lasting for the unlucky ones. New ones such as increased cognitive impairment in older folk or increased risk of diabetes (which ironically increases vascular risk) are turning up.
    What is the clincher for me is mortality studies, many of which show zilch advantage of taking statins - you don't live longer on statins compared to people who don't take'm. This seems particularly so for people >65 yr old.
    If you're younger, have strong risk factors, especially family history of heart disease, sure it makes sense. Otherwise, it's far more dubious than big Pharma and many doctors would have you believe.
    All the ABC did is to open up the bigger picture of mixed evidence and a spectrum of medical opinion.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    5:08pm
    Kopernicus
    Is the only Side effect you see: "Billions for the Banksters & Drug Cartels." then?
    Kopernicus
    16th Jun 2015
    11:12pm
    I guess so many people reconsidered the need for them to take these drugs after getting a much more fulsome picture from the ABC than a 10 min GP consult. Perhaps some shouldn't have but I don't think we've had a cardiovascular epidemic as the result.
    Convincing evidence for drug impact on health outcomes may take years and many studies. Recall that in this case, raised cholesterol level is one risk factor among others, it's not a disease as such and any prescription should really be based on individual assessment.
    Here big Pharma does have it's persuasive ways, whether by funding studies, trips to conferences or just selected literature and a free lunch and samples.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Jun 2015
    5:48pm
    I don't believe the ABC admitted to any inaccuracy. In fact, what they had to say on the program on Statins was very accurate. However, audiences have interpreted what was said and shown differently and the confusion only lies in the inability of people to analyse data accurately. That's not the ABC's fault. We all have to take personal responsibilty for our own actions instead of blaming everyone else for our stupidity. To put it gently and in a nutshell, there is no evidence that Statins will reduce the incidence of heart attacks. There is no definitive study that supports that notion. However, there is evidence that Statins will help prevent another heart attack if you have already had one. That being said, it is probably advisable to take a Statin if you have a heart condition that might lead to a coronary incident. Statins lower colesterol. There is plenty of evidence to support that fact. However, cholesterol is not the only factor that can lead to heart disease and just because you have high cholesterol doesn't mean you will have a heart attack. I'm not a doctor, but I have got this information from doctors and heart specialists. Statins work like snake repellers. You don't know if your snake repeller works until you see a snake, at which time you know you've wasted your money as I did just recently when I found a deadly Eastern Brown snake within three meters of my snake repeller. In the same way, you don't know if the Statin works until you have a heart attack at which time, if you survive, you know the Statin hasn't done much good and you've wasted your money.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Jun 2015
    5:58pm
    As an addendum to that, I have a friend who barely survived a heart attack after taking statins religiously for years. His high cholesterol was a hereditary condition which was controlled by the statin, but it did not prevent his LAD from becoming completely blocked and him losing over 50% of his heart function. The only reason he is alive today is because he was otherwise completely fit and healthy. He is still on statins and fortunately suffers little side effects from that medication.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    6:05pm
    Paulodapotter
    As the statin makers claim, side effects are infrequent and do not generally display.
    Same with your snake, must just have been the one that was not sensitive to that type of vibration as (un)luck would have it.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Jun 2015
    7:44pm
    It was a cheap 'made in China' repeller, Patriot, so maybe it only works on Chinese snakes.

    16th Jun 2015
    6:31pm
    Between 1522 to 2900 preventable fatalities due to the inaccurate information on the ABC
    Should the ABC be held responsible for airing inaccurate information.?
    LiveItUp
    16th Jun 2015
    6:35pm
    It amazing what the drug companies will do to discredit people who expose them.
    Patriot
    16th Jun 2015
    6:39pm
    Pete
    Who makes that claim Pete?
    Paulodapotter
    16th Jun 2015
    7:45pm
    I don't believe the ABC admitted to any inaccuracy. In fact, what they had to say on the program on Statins was very accurate. However, audiences have interpreted what was said and shown differently and the confusion only lies in the inability of people to analyse data accurately. That's not the ABC's fault. We all have to take personal responsibilty for our own actions instead of blaming everyone else for our stupidity. To put it gently and in a nutshell, there is no evidence that Statins will reduce the incidence of heart attacks. There is no definitive study that supports that notion. However, there is evidence that Statins will help prevent another heart attack if you have already had one. That being said, it is probably advisable to take a Statin if you have a heart condition that might lead to a coronary incident. Statins lower colesterol. There is plenty of evidence to support that fact. However, cholesterol is not the only factor that can lead to heart disease and just because you have high cholesterol doesn't mean you will have a heart attack. I'm not a doctor, but I have got this information from doctors and heart specialists. Statins work like snake repellers. You don't know if your snake repeller works until you see a snake, at which time you know you've wasted your money as I did just recently when I found a deadly Eastern Brown snake within three meters of my snake repeller. In the same way, you don't know if the Statin works until you have a heart attack at which time, if you survive, you know the Statin hasn't done much good and you've wasted your money.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Jun 2015
    7:47pm
    Absolute rubbish, Pete. Like Patriot, I'd love to know who makes that claim and how they can back it up with any substantive proof.
    Kopernicus
    16th Jun 2015
    11:17pm
    Oops, shudda read your contribution Pete before posting my last comment. ABC killed up to 3000 people in the last 18 months!
    It's a massacre - got a teeny weeny bit of proof to back up this nonsence?
    Anonymous
    17th Jun 2015
    10:12am
    “If patients continue to avoid statins over the next five years, this could result in between 1,522 and 2,900 preventable, and potentially fatal, heart attacks and strokes,” the study concluded.
    Drew's article above ..
    Lookfar
    17th Jun 2015
    10:13am
    Pete, 5 times you attempted to sool this discussion on 'getting' the ABC when quite obviously most people did not think the ABC was wrong, in your 5th attempt you misquote the article conclusion "“If patients continue to avoid statins over the next five years, this could result in between 1,522 and 2,900 preventable, and potentially fatal, heart attacks and strokes,” the study concluded." - Leaving out the "could", presumably to trick folk into thinking the fatalities had actually happened, - are you surprised to see that readers think you are employed by Big Pharma? I am not, it sure looks like you are!
    Patriot
    17th Jun 2015
    10:26am
    Lookfar
    Carmen Lawrence - exposes the Politics of Fear in her book.
    This does not only apply to governments but also the Corporations applying this fear themselves & via government!!!
    LiveItUp
    17th Jun 2015
    4:35pm
    A question that comes to mind is how many of these people would have died with or without statins?
    probins01
    16th Jun 2015
    11:07pm
    This is just pro-Big Pharma paid advertising. No credibility whatsoever, sorry.
    Anonymous
    17th Jun 2015
    10:16am
    What is?
    pate
    17th Jun 2015
    10:11am
    Well said Probins01 Big Pharma will go to any lengths to "prove" that everybody needs any pill they happen to have handy, at the time. I am allegic to lots of things such as Morphia something that the Doctors have argued with me saying it just does not happen I say want a bet do you Just try giving it to me a you will be held responsible for my death That is the only way they listen even though I carry a note from y doctor stating that I am not to be given Morphia under any circumstances.
    Supernan
    17th Jun 2015
    12:48pm
    My husband stopped taking his Statins - not only from this article, but also due to many other articles & studies we had read over several years. One main objection we had to Statins is that it is known to cause memory loss & confusion. We can date the onset of these problems from the date my husband first started taking the drug.

    He is not in an at risk group, eats a very healthy diet & is very active & his cholestrol levels were not very mch higher than normal. His memory is now improved & he can think more clearly. So it was worth it. But will make sure he has a cholestrol test.
    A. N. Onymous
    17th Jun 2015
    1:44pm
    For those of you who did not see the programs but would like to:

    Heart of the Matter Part 1 - Dietary Villains
    https://web.archive.org/web/20131209135030/http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3876219.htm

    Heart of the Matter Part 2 - Cholesterol Drug War
    https://web.archive.org/web/20131114132733/http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3881441.htm

    For articles about the two programs (with other links to YouTube and Vimeo):

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-cholesterol-drug-war-abc-australia-bans-documentary-exposing-statin-drug-scandal/

    http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/abcs-catalyst-program-gets-to-the-heart-of-the-matter-on-cholesterol/20539

    http://highsteaks.com/abc-catalyst-heart-of-the-matter-dr-maryanne-demasi/

    Several comments have included remarks about searching for information to supplement what one’s doctor has said and/or to know what to ask one’s doctor.

    Recently my doctor referred me to a specialist for a consultation. The specialist wanted a couple of things done before the consultation, one of which was an X-ray. The X-ray people told me the specialist did not need the actual X-ray (which would not be available for forty-eight hours) because he could access it online through their network. They asked if I would pick it up or if I wanted it mailed to me. I had it mailed to me. When I opened the envelope, there was a further sealed envelope inside with a sticker saying “To be opened only by the referring doctor.”

    My doctor also did not want the X-ray. So I have it, I have been told to keep it for ten years, but I am not to open it.

    I rang the referring specialist’s office to clarify the situation and was told that the reason for the “To be opened only by the referring doctor” sticker was that people opened the envelope, looked at the X-ray, started Googling, and got worried/scared.
    Patriot
    17th Jun 2015
    2:33pm
    A. N. Onymous
    Thanks for the Links
    Not much there I did not know - However, very interesting for the ABC to (in my opinion) "Finally report the facts AS THEY REALLY ARE!!!!!
    Patriot
    17th Jun 2015
    7:24pm
    A. N. Onymous
    Thanks for supplying the "links" to these 2 catalyst episodes which I have completed watching.
    The Story-line is not unlike a “Detective Morse episode”: “There are Instigators, Manipulators, Full On Criminals and Executors. And finally, there are the Victims that are suffering. The whole storey is full of: “Intrigue & Mystery” whilst the answer to the WHO DUNNIT question should not be difficult for even those with the least formal education in the medical arena”.

    I applaud the Highly Qualified Medical Professionals who are DARING to “STAND UP” and oppose the wrongdoing by the Multinational Drug Corporation/Cartels. These globalists seem to be using the Global Population merely as “Cash Cows” delivering only “Illness & Suffering” at an excessive Direct & Indirect cost (financial & Health) to the individual. Such evil is delivered via the Mechanisms of: “Fear, Intimidation & Purposely contrived Misinformation”.
    Often these individuals “Risk their career & Businesses”.

    As OUR Government is the BOSS of the ABC no other conclusion is possible than to accept that THEY, (who must protect our well-being) have ordered the removal of this information from the Catalyst website. After all, “No Luck” threatening to withdraw the advertising dollar when the media does not accept advertisements. I can only assume that much pressure has come from the corporations via the USofA's Government whose “Vassal” we seem to be!

    The main Casualty in this whole debate is, as usual: DEMOCRACY &, LIBERTY once again!
    Ultimately, it does not matter who is “right or wrong” what does matter that we “Have the right to know” and MUST NOT be treated as slave who simply “Have no significance”.
    No matter what is said by others, we MUST be allowed to MAKE OUR OWN ASSESSMENT of issues such as these rather than – effectively – be dictated to!
    Secondly, the Australian People were – as usual – treated like complete IMCOMPOTENT D**KHEADS by those who supposedly, are there to “SERVE THEM.

    To Conclude, let's identify the Stages/Players of this Drama & the TRUTH in general:

    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

    Arthur Schopenhauer
    Precious 1
    17th Jun 2015
    10:45pm
    Regarding statins I was prescribed them some four years ago and after a few days I was vomiting them up....including Warfarin....It was so bad I went to Drs again and he immediately sent me to my Heart Specialist...I decided to keep the appointment and arrived two hours too early........I went with a lady friend and I told her about these tabs I been prescribed etc etc...When I got to his rooms I walked in and straight to the desk and the lady was expecting me and also the Specialist was already waiting for me...When I was ushered in to see him (almost straight away) he did have my details on his desk but just sat there with an arrogant look on his face...He did his level best to persuade me they were my destiny and I would live longer enough to see Grandchildren.....;lololololmy grandchildren were all grown with partners etc......he argued and I argued and then he asked me how old I was when I told him if I was his Mother he would see to it that I did take them....I got up from the chair and walked towards the door and he followed and sweetly said it doesn't matter anyway and smiled.............I don`t even think he knew I was his patient........Warfarin made my legs swell and red and shiny....how about that......all better now anyway only take Metoprolol......and I have a feeling this is making me on and off wheezy and giving me a cough.......what is happening to us oldies........
    Precious 1
    17th Jun 2015
    10:46pm
    PS They are putting elderlies on these programs in most of the Democratic countries...USA, UK etc etc
    Young Simmo
    17th Jun 2015
    10:55pm
    Precious 1, I have been taking 50 mg Metoprolol for the last 13 years since my Triple B/P. One morning and night, they slow my heart rate down and keep me in good shape. On a couple of occasions that I have ended up in hospital with a ticker that is jumping around like a mad dog inside my chest, the first thing they do is give me half a Metoprolol, and I settle down in 4 or 5 minutes. I wouldn't go anywhere without them.

    18th Jun 2015
    6:44am
    Statins work by reducing the amount of cholesterol your liver makes , IMO you should take Q 10 as well.
    As Statins and old age reduce the amount in your cells..
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2015
    12:29am
    A study which was published in The Medical Journal of Australia, conducted by researchers at the University of Sydney, has found that around 60,000 people have reduced or stopped taking their statin medication since the airing of a 2013 two-part documentary series on the ABC science program Catalyst.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2015
    12:31am
    “If patients continue to avoid statins over the next five years, this could result in between 1,522 and 2,900 preventable, and potentially fatal, heart attacks and strokes,” the study concluded.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2015
    12:32am
    What do you think? Should the ABC be held responsible for the airing of inaccurate information? Did you see the program? Did you stop using statin medication as a result?
    Young Simmo
    18th Jun 2015
    11:28pm
    Well, I have been in here for the last day or so trying to Stir the pot, Offend somebody, Start an argument, or get an Aggro argument going, and everybody is being so nice.
    So I have to just accept that, 60,000 people stopping their vital medication because of one TV program is considered normal.
    Thank god I will be out of here in the next 10 minutes to 10 years.
    Yes, unfortunately I just have to accept that the average Aussie is very easy to please.
    To all my Fans, YES both of you, Go, Go, Go, Go, Go, Go.
    Patriot
    19th Jun 2015
    7:09am
    YS,
    Some of us are attempting to conduct an "Honest & Open" debate where those who disagree are simply not "Seeing &/or Accepting" our "point-of-View".
    Because of this we do not claim those who disagree to be "Nut Cases of Dumb Gooks". Rather, we Allow their opinions to be different (as should be in a world with personal liberty) and hope that they will come to understand what we see as the true facts real soon.
    We attempt to convince them with "Counter facts" that their interpretation is incorrect.
    No need to become aggro, attempt to stimulate a nasty argument or for Name Calling.
    Such actions only divert EVERYBODY away from respect for one-another and, ultimately, "lead us away" from the TRUTH!
    Patriot
    19th Jun 2015
    4:12pm
    People with higher cholesterol levels live longer new research proves.
    Certainly THESE findings SHOULD VINDICATE the ABC if nothing else will!?!?!?

    http://tinyurl.com/ppvlkv5
    Young Simmo
    19th Jun 2015
    11:58pm
    OK, it's almost 10pm here in WA and I can't help myself, WHY,,,,,The Wonderful West Coast Eagles have just given those Victorians a lesson in AFL.
    Go the, TWWCE.
    Come on, their must be a Victorian out there somewhere that thinks I am off subject,
    HIC, HIC.
    kianga0
    20th Jun 2015
    12:01pm
    I have to say that statins, nameky Lipitor, completely changed my life. Within two weeks of commencing themabout 2002, I was having trouble walking up a slight slope. My doctoe assured me that it wasn't the medication, This went on for five months and I noticed other faults appearing. I then went searching the side effects on the net and foung nothing in the lipator site but there were several others with thousands of people having the same side effects as mine. I immediately went off them and found only a slight improvement. I could no longer play golf and had to give up my Volunteer Coastal Patrol work. Several doctors I saw after that had no ides that this problem was from lipitor. There are also some rather dodgy rumours on some of the associated sights that members of those other sites referred me to.
    Morny
    20th Jun 2015
    3:21pm
    Might I suggest that you buy some co enzyme Q10 tablets and take a course. You will find your strength coming back again. Lipitor was the statin which gave my husband diabetes. He has since been put on another. All of these statins affect a person's liver, hence all the side effects. Co enzyme Q10 is destroyed by statins and this enzyme is needed for healthy nerves and muscles. I hope this helps your condition. It is hard for a doctor to admit there are problems with this "miracle" medication.
    Young Simmo
    20th Jun 2015
    4:07pm
    All these Lipitor knockers amaze me, it seems the country is full and over flowing with medical experts. I went onto 20mg,40mg and finally 80 mg Lipitor in 2000, and have been taking them ever since, and at 75 will never stop. If they were anywhere near as bad as some people in here are claiming, I should have karked it years ago.
    Anyway, with 10,000 times as many Medical Experts as general Labourers, we are the lucky country.
    EELS
    20th Jun 2015
    1:50pm
    Once again the ABC has made a blunder by thoughtlessly only giving one side of the story and creating havoc. A more even handed approach would be recommended when dealing with matters of health that could have dire consequences.
    Young Simmo
    20th Jun 2015
    2:04pm
    I have a couple of questions for the nut cases.

    (A) Is this the first Medical Clanger the ABC have made?
    (B) Have any other TV stations made similar Medical Clangers?
    (C) If the ABC have done it before what were the Medications and wrong information?

    If this is a first one off occasion, I think all the knockers who are obviously perfect, should pull their heads in.
    Creative chef
    19th Jul 2015
    11:26am
    I can no longer take statins- liver damage +++ muscle weakness (struggling to climb up & down stairs, dropping cup & saucers. Stopped taking - although my clolesterol level is high, HDL are also high -Oh yes I was checked by a heart specialist . with in 2 weeks of ceasing Lipitor all symptoms subsided -I have a well balanced diet. Drug companies push like crazy to promote there drugs.