Should Jenny Macklin put her money where her mouth is?

Could you live on $35 per day?

It was a case of speak first, think later when Minster for Families, Jenny Macklin answered the question on whether she could live on the Newstart Allowance with “I could”.  She now faces a challenge to do just that, with acting Greens leader Adam Brandt calling for the Minister to join him as he plans to live on $35 per day for one week in February.

Changes to the Parenting Payment rules which came into effect on 1 January will see single parents – most of them women - moved from the payment to Newstart Allowance once their youngest child turns eight. This is a move to encourage more mothers into the workforce and save the Government $728 million over four years. The result is that those moved to the Newstart Allowance could find themselves $60 to $110 per week worse off, with Newstart paying just $492 per fortnight.

Ms Macklin’s office initially tried to cover up her response by releasing a transcript which claimed the audio could not be clearly heard, but as many media organisations picked up her response, this was pointless. Her ‘gaff’ highlights just how far removed Australia’s politicians are from reality. With a daily salary of $903 per day, Ms Macklin cannot imagine what it would be like to feed, clothe and house a family on $492. Of course, she has studied and worked hard to reach her position and while no one would deny her the right to earn this amount of money, she should not be so dismissive of how this change will affect the 80,000 single parents who will no longer qualify for the Parenting Payment.

Pre-retirees and pensioners understand all to well the difficulty of trying to survive on inadequate benefit payments. A single Age Pensioner on a full pension receives only $55 per day, while a single person over 60 who has not yet reached Age Pension age receives just $38 per day under Newstart.

Would living on $35 per day for one week give Ms Macklin a better understanding of how people struggle financially? Or would it be a hollow gesture?





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    Abby
    3rd Jan 2013
    7:30pm
    One of the few good moves brought in by the Labor Government.

    At 8 years of age the child has been in school for several years.

    There is no need for a parent to be receiving an allowance when they should be working.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:01pm
    There are not enough jobs for everyone!
    Nan Norma
    4th Jan 2013
    4:30pm
    Abby, You forget the 8yrs old may be the youngest of several children. And not all women are single by choice. Its a full time job raising a family. The age should have be 12years. Not too many years ago mothers were condemned for going out to work leaving the children to be 'latch key kids'. This is social engineering by the government. I haven't got the answer to this problem but starving children is not the answer.
    Cossack
    6th Jan 2013
    12:45am
    Well said Abby - you're probably one of these silver spoon in the mouth people who have never had kids. I am a single father with a 17 yr old and I just lost my job because my son has an health issue. I am under same circumstances as a single mother with a 9 yr old. No money, no rent and now, no where to live - Stick cancer on the end of that and Abby; you can stick you silver spoon where it fits...
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    4:09am
    abby you are very unrealistic. for a start a child doesn't usually start school till 5. so how might that child be going to school for several years. I think you should have a rethink about what you wrote, really!!!
    Neil'O
    4th Jan 2013
    11:20am
    I'm under the impression that receiving these payments, is for temporary living assistance while looking for work. In my opinion it is not meant to be a wage to live on. Maybe with a great deal of restraint, it could support someone, but it isn't meant to. So don't complain about it. Go out and get a job. .... Neil'O
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:03pm
    Yeah right Neil'O where are the jobs,especially when you have to be home at 3 o'clock for the kids! Do you want to see more kids running amok in the streets un-supervised?
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    4:13am
    and neil i guess your working right? and are you aware many of our jobs have been taken over seas? you are another person perhaps that doesn't have kids otherwise you would know that with kids after school, they need supervision, and need care. going to care doesn't always mean that they will get good care, a parents care is always needed, not a strangers? GET real NEIL
    sirrom50
    4th Jan 2013
    11:57am
    I personally believe that all POLITICIANS ought to come down and live the real life of PENSIONERS. Not for 1 week but for 6 months and see how much money the GOVERNMENT will save. Also let them rent a place of their own, pay their own bills and see if they can get to CANBERRA on the PENSION.
    LENYJAC
    4th Jan 2013
    1:15pm
    HOW TRUE
    buby
    4th Jan 2013
    2:36pm
    I think the politicians wages need to be cut in half and distributed to the disabled.
    Cause the disabled need it more than the pollies do!!
    Definitely need to be brought down to reality
    Wendy HK
    4th Jan 2013
    6:35pm
    I also could live on $35 a day if my transport, meals, stationery etc., etc. was paid for by some one else and I had a good bank account and also had the possessions I needed for a reasonable lifestyle.
    If all politicians (including those who are retired) had to live on NewStart or an Aged Pension for 6 months we could just about clear the national debt!
    FrankC
    4th Jan 2013
    10:23pm
    I agree Sirrom. One week is totally inadequate to appreciate the struggle that has now been imposed on single mothers. 6 months would give them something to think about at the end of it, but of course, it will never happen!
    sexeebear
    4th Jan 2013
    12:00pm
    point 1in this day and age i dont believe ity is right for an 8 yo to be left alone
    point 2 when you do work the penalities for doing so force you to live well below the poverty line
    point 3 would be good to be rewarded for working instead of the govt grab taking so much its barely worth working
    point 4 dont reward these loose morraled single girls who see benefits as an alternative to working and become sperm banks for any wayward male
    point 5 dna test every child born to ascertain who the parents are and make them responsible
    so there you are ive probably stepped on eveyones toes this morn but on a old aged pension and working i cant get over 1200 a fortnight with so much being taken by the govt and as far as housing is concerned if i earn that amount im likley to be evicted for earning too much.. its a no win situation and yes the maklin woman should have to actually live on the ammount in fact all of them should things would drasticcally change then.
    the govt takes too much ... had a look at the new rules for those on a pension lucky enough to go overseas?? you loose your pension.. now how mean is that as weve worked all our lives paying compulsary tax and now shafted big time and the other party will be no better we deserve better and a new political systyem and party.... ill die in govt induced poverty
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    4:19am
    well pt 4 was rather harsh sexeebear. wayward males need to take responsibility . ITs not a one way street. and many males don't..(think)...cause they have NO brains. after making babies they like to ditch their responsibilities. So perhaps they best start to learn how to think with the brain up top not the one down the bottom??>? before they do anything if thats possible at all>????
    Suesie
    4th Jan 2013
    12:02pm
    Children are the victims here. Even if mum gets a job who will be there at 3 0"clock after school or during the night when some parents work night shift! Just recently there was a big hoohaa about children being left alone. Now it seems that's ok! When people think of single parents they have a stereo type in their heads that generally doesn't reflect the true nature of single parents. A relationship breakdown does not turn people into the dregs of society. Maybe dead beat dad's who won't pay their share of their children's expenses should be made too!
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:06pm
    Yes I agree it's the kids who will suffer more.Dad's are not dads when they haven't been there from the start,I have brought up my son alone with no support. Dad's can get work a lot easier than women too.
    Cossack
    6th Jan 2013
    12:47am
    that goes for dead beat mums who wont pay theirs either
    Jen
    8th Jan 2013
    5:52pm
    Well said Suesie.

    I was a single Mum. I went from being Mrs. Respectable to being "that single mother." I was lucky though, I had a job, well if you can call it lucky having your kids unattended in the afternoons and holidays. We sold our house and split the proceeds 50/50 and with my share, I bought a block of land and built a house. How many single Mums can do that today? There are no jobs! And if there were, on the one hand, a job is a ride out of generational poverty but on the other hand, single Mums can't afford childcare after school and holidays. So there was no choice in the matter. Life was hell, but we got through it.
    Tuckerbox
    4th Jan 2013
    12:20pm
    No, and neither should Adam Brandt. Well paid politicians can never replicate the conditions of people who are long term jobless and with few personal resources, whether they be unskilled, unmotivated or have a level of disability.

    It is good to get people back to or into work and training, but the real issue is the dire level of Newstart Allowance which keeps people poor, and extremely disadvantaged in their search for work. Raise the Newstart Allowance by $50 per weekday the very least.

    But what on earth possessed minister Macklin to answer that way?
    Tuckerbox
    4th Jan 2013
    12:22pm
    Blooming' predictive text. That was week, not weekday
    rtrish
    8th Jan 2013
    1:43pm
    I would say she was caught unawares by the question. I'm guessing she wishes she hadn't said it. What they can do now to deal with the issue is to give that extra $50 per week. I have lived on Newstart and only managed because I lived with kind friends and also did housesitting. Even on the DSP, living in private rental was extremely difficult. The lifesaver for me now is that I live in subsidised housing.
    Hmmmm
    4th Jan 2013
    12:30pm
    @sexeebear
    Who said you lose your pension if you go overseas,that is incorrect if you are on an age pension.
    And all politicians need a reality check

    They supposedly work for us,so how come we don't SET THEIR WAGES AND RETIREMENT SCHEME.
    Dotty
    4th Jan 2013
    2:57pm
    I agree about their wages and that we should be able to have a say in when or if they deserve a rise.
    But unlike people on the aged or whatever they give themselves a huge rise while we live on a pittance!
    Dotty
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    4:29am
    mmm indeed Hmmmm i;ll second that
    Crazy Horse
    4th Jan 2013
    1:00pm
    I am a single parent with two kids still at school. I work full time. It isn't easy but you play the hand you've been dealt. I have no doubt that my childrenare better off with a decent wage coming into the house than they would be if we were trying to exist on welfare.

    The world does not owe anyone a living. There is no reason that anyone with all their children in full time school should sit at home all day. Those unhappy with being on Newstart should get off their bottoms and get a job like the rest of us.
    Tuckerbox
    4th Jan 2013
    2:00pm
    Not quite that simple for some, Crazy Horse. Depression, severe lack of self esteem, difficulty getting a job with the right hours, chaotic family life and other mental health issues that are not properly diagnosed or supported can prevent some from working. But I certainly agree, that children in families that work are far far better off, both materially and emotionally.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:09pm
    Be thankful you can be employed,not all of us have the ability due to age,lack of training(remember TAFE has just lost a lot of funding) and employers what young people not 50 year old mums like me!
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    4:32am
    yes mr.B and graciously cut the funds to the TAFE, so that affects not just young ppl for mums and older ppl as well going back to study if they can>learn anything more in their old age. I tried, but got lost in the maze of rubbish that now constitutes learning?
    Kaye Fallick
    4th Jan 2013
    1:15pm
    Great article
    and great comments.
    I tend to agree that it is possible to work and parent children aged 8 or over. The example set by working parents helps children understand that this is how you go forward in life. Living on the dole traditionally was a support mechanism until you managed to find work again. It is not always easy to get a job but we are lucky to live in a country with 5 per cent unemployment as opposed to Europe with 20-30 per cent in some countries. Jenny Macklin's comments were unhelpful, but allowing for this, it is much more beneficial for families when parents are working.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:13pm
    How can it be beneficial to not be there for your children after school? We are bringing up the next generation the best we can despite circumstances. I am teaching my son to be frugal and not want for much,luckily he understands but I dread the teenage years when he won't be able to keep up with his peers and will care more about what he wears and why he can't have a phone let alone any other technology.
    joeybi
    4th Jan 2013
    1:42pm
    In response to Jenny Macklin's comments, they prove how out of touch she is with every day Australians, I personally don't think she deserves to earn $903.00 a day when she has such utter contempt for people on newstart......I think the Dole should be raise for families , pre-retirees and the disable who find themselves on newstart. The public have this perception all on newstart are bluggers , this is not the case ,I do admit there are some who abuse the system and should be penalise, but there are genuine people who have found themselves through no fault of their own now on newstart. People of pre retirement age who find they can no longer do physical work and have less mobility are put on newstart, there isn't a employer out there who will employ this person, believe me I've tried . So unless you find yourself in this situation relying on newstart to make ends meet ,don't tar all with the same brush . Us genuine ones only want a fair go .
    Tuckerbox
    4th Jan 2013
    1:56pm
    Joeybi is right. I did a lot of research (published) into mature age unemployment 10-12 years ago for the NSW government, and all the research findings are that it is very true that people age 45+ have a hard time of it finding work. Especially if their job skills are no longer needed in this post-industrial economy we are now living in. And mature aged workers who are injured are often the last in the queue for serious vocational rehabilitation. Recruitment managers are generally younger and to them, older people are invisible.
    lindylou
    4th Jan 2013
    2:20pm
    I only add that mid last year we toured through Europe, and for much of the time we spent less than $35 per day. Had a great time doing as the locals did, public transport, you name it. It is possible if you just try it, and hold on to a sense of humour. Oh yes, I was the youngest at 64.
    Nan Norma
    4th Jan 2013
    4:05pm
    bet you didn't pay electricit bills, rates, body-coperate fees, buy medicines or buy new clothes etc etc.
    buby
    4th Jan 2013
    2:32pm
    yes i think ms macklin should try to live on that amount for a whole 6 months and try to feed a child and pay rent and clothe that child and herself, and don't forget the utilities which are constantly going up and up. and WHO's fault might that BE!! and said child of 8 shall be left alone. thats NOT on, why is it the children stuffer. NOw if the child was 11 12, now then it would be feasible. From when the child is 8 perhaps the parent can get training to be slowly eased into the work force, making sure she is home at 3 or so she can pick up her child. Ms. Macklin you are really NOT thinking Where were your brains when you entered the Government. Somebody took them off you i'm sure?
    and that rude sexeebear comment you should be made to cope off newstart for at least a year and try to feed a child, aftering making such derogatary statements. YOU should be hung strung and quartered!!!
    Sandy
    4th Jan 2013
    2:46pm
    I challenge Jenny to live on Newstart Allowance for one month (it really should be longer to feel the reality of being ground down and experience the psychological affects of the situation).. without any access to savings, private health care, or isurance for possessions etc. She should live in a disadvantaged area in a share household (throw in a really nasty exploiting landlord just to make it more interesting..one who never fixes anything and is always threatening to put up the rent).. with no washing machine, no car, and a very small fridge. She should only be able to use public transport and should also go through the procedure of applying for jobs, in disguise as someone who has no qualifications etc. She should also be forced to attend courses designed for people in this situation who have little expectation of acquiring a job because of their personality, mental health or other reasons. This should be filmed as a doco so the general public can also experience the situation via reality TV. I think this would be easy especially without the care of young children...I say that 'tongue in cheek'.One other suggestion is why doesn't the government go after the high flyers who are receiving corporate welfare, people who wouldn't notice if they lost a million dollars from their income yearly, instead of pursuing people who for one reason or another are not doing so well?
    Dotty
    4th Jan 2013
    2:49pm
    I think this small amout is not doable, My daughter in her 50s has been on this for over two years and waiting to be out on the disibility because of mental health issues.
    And by the time she pays her rent which isn,t Goverment accomodation there is not any left to buy food etc !
    So Jenny Macklin I fail to see how you could do it when those on it cant survive without handouts from the salvo,s or St V,s!
    Dotty
    soph
    4th Jan 2013
    2:49pm
    I guess Ms Macklin could live on $35 a day, if she didn't have to pay for rent, utilities, medicines, clothing, appliances and furniture, repairs, school fees and uniforms etc.
    I am concerned about the statement that I will not be able to take my age pension overseas. I am hanging out till I'm 65 (18 months), so I can move to somewhere where I can live more comfortably. Is this true?
    Jen
    8th Jan 2013
    7:06pm
    I have a friend living on the aged pension in the mountains of Bali. Loves it and wouldn't be anywhere else. Until he gets sick. But if he can still get back, he can apply for another health care card and get into hospital if needs be. He thinks it's worth the risks, he lives a full and happy life, doesn't want for anything.
    Beemee
    4th Jan 2013
    3:09pm
    What I wouldn't give for $35 per day, based on 7 day week we are living on $28-30 per day, and all that is for all bills, food, fuel. Politicians have absolutely no idea of the value of money and what a dollar can really buy.
    She sounds a lot like our Council who allocate themselves $100 per day each for meal allowance. What the hell are they eating? Having just given themselves a 2.5% pay rise, its a bit rich.
    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and so shall the gap forever widen.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:15pm
    I agree,and us single parents are helping them get richer paying high rents and buying food to feed our kid(s).
    KKKKatie
    4th Jan 2013
    5:51pm
    Beemee, I think your phrase "Politicians have absolutely no idea of the value of money ..." is the crux of the whole matter.
    Tom Tank
    4th Jan 2013
    3:14pm
    So many of the above comments are missing the point which is can a person live on $35 a day and if that person has to pay rent, transport and food as well as try to find work, with the costs associated with that, then the answer is NO. Jenny Macklin hoist herself on her own petard because she was in a no win situation.If she had answered truthfully then the question would have been "what are you going to do about that". Politicians of all sides run like crazy when it comes to helping the disadvantaged.
    KKKKatie
    4th Jan 2013
    5:53pm
    Living on that for one week is possible for JM, but what if her credit cards were removed? Perhaps she had them at the back of her mind, to be paid after the week was over.
    halona
    4th Jan 2013
    3:26pm
    Where would you move to Soph? most of the European countries are in dire straights and Britain, Eire, USA are following fast. Canada maybe but that may not be too comfortable with their weather. Asia? the Islands? I reckon stay where you are......

    If a pension is payable long-term while absent from Australia, it will generally be paid at a proportional rate. A proportional rate is paid based on a pensioner’s ‘Australian working life residence’
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2013
    4:37pm
    I am sure read get the Age pension but without the supplement if one moves overseas. Lots go back to old country.
    A lot of British pensioners all moved to Cyprus over the last 20 years and live well on a lot less than our pension - so a good place to start as they speak English in the Greek side anyway.

    Mind you these Brits get the full state pension unlike the poorer ones living here who get what it was on the day it was granted and never indexed again. See British Pensioners in Australia if you ever worked over in the UK as like here paid for your pension - 6 years min - all on their website.
    wombatwyn
    4th Jan 2013
    3:27pm
    Soph, you will not lose your pension. Part of the pension is dropped after twelve weeks - ie telephone allowance and pharmaceutical benefit. After six months the amount of pension is allocated on a pro-rata basis depending on your working life residency in Australia but you will never lose the entire pension. It is all re-instated once you return from overseas. If you intend to move permantently overseas I suggest you talk to someone at Centrelink who will tell you the exact amount you can receive.
    maggiemaycole
    4th Jan 2013
    3:28pm
    They certainly can't and who is going to have to pick up the slack - grandparents! And this one is on an aged pension with a mortgage and they live with me and pay $250 per week rent. My daughter has borderline personality disorder and her daughter has Asperger's Syndrome. With the support of a disability support agency she has been trying without success to find a job for over 12 months. The EMA in Victoria has been decreased by about $80. The government school insists on branded uniform and on purchasing books through the school - you cannot even get a booklist so that you can shop around. Now our family worker is saying that because it appears that no progress has been made in 2 years (during which time my daughter has had 2 kidney stones as well one of which was 2.5cm requiring 2 lots of surgery) they will no longer be supporting her but referring her to a mental health outreach program. Who will be supporting the child and her emotional needs? Me!
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:19pm
    Good on you for pointing out that grandparents help so much. Though my son's only living grandparent is on an age pension,struggles to pay her rates and bills and lives very frugal drives an old car but finds enough money to put petrol in her car to visit us,we can't hardly afford to drive my old car.Grandparents deserve more government support.
    Diary of an Internet Grandmother
    4th Jan 2013
    3:54pm
    I think its a sad day when it is normal to have children coming home from school to no one or having to go to after and before school care. When I was a child my Mum was always at home to welcome us and talk about our day and no we weren't rich but we had a Mum and Dad and Dad was the worker! Its bad enough for kids living with only one parent without the added lonliness of coming home to an empty house. I think that we should be encouraging Mums to stay at home, leaving jobs open for others. Most rent today costs over $30 a day so how are these Mums expected to give their children the bare necessities such as water,food, power and gas? I have written to Ms Macklin and my local federal MP letting them know of my disgust at this new legislation. It make me ashamed to be an Aussie!
    Linda Bartlett
    (Grqandmother)
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    4:25pm
    Thank you so much,finally someone understands why this is a cruel and unneccessary move by the government. It's the poor kids who will suffer even more. They don't need money to buy the latest gadget just enough to keep a roof over their heads and good food (instead of cheap junk food) on the table,but mostly love and support. I do my best as a single parent but I am very worried about my son's future.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    3:59pm
    There is a lot of stereotyping comments here. I didn't chose to be a single parent and at 51 with an 11 year old with no family support(except my mum who is a single aged pension with no savings!) I have had a very hard time making a decent life for my son. I have tried to re-educate myself several times to no avail,and after so long out of the work force no one would give me a go. Living in the country jobs are taken up by younger people straight out of school anyhow. I pay $230 per week rent,have an old run down car I hardly drive and hasn't had a service in 3 years and I am facing more hardship with registration of car going up,electricity going up(I don't use an aircon or heater chosing to scavenge firewood or buy cheap lots to keep warm in winter). I grow some of my own vegies,don't eat out,don't eat junk food or meat and recycle always. I live very very frugal. I struggle to keep my son in good clothes(even op shop prices have gone up!) and he doesn't have the latest technology,not even a phone. We still watch a CRT TV too! People are forgetting that we single parents are not all in the same basket and we help keep others in work with our purchases of food etc and especially paying high rents.I have given up on government housing as with one kid I am not a priority. Our government is taking from the poor and still helping the rich,with high subsidies given to large mining corporation especially diesel fuel that they don't pay as much as everyone else. I suggest those who think that making things harder for parents is a good thing should do their research and watch the crime increase as some will resort to petty thefts even more. Watch mental health issues increase,watch the children who will be bullied at school even more when they can't afford the things to keep up with their peers or school excursions. I am starting the New Year very sad and frustrated.I have been unable to contact centrelink regarding payments. I had my last parenting payment on December 19th and my Newstart doesn't start until 15th of January. I will receive $400 from family assistance fortnightly but that isn't enough to even pay my rent. I can't afford to visit my mum she comes here. I can't take my son out for school holiday we make fun at home. Lastly watch the overload from charity organizations trying to keep up with handouts of vouchers and food. Thank you to all those who donate to charity as it will be even more needed now.PS: I don't drink or smoke and have no social life,no child maintenace coming in,no hope of ever being employed,and my health is getting worse.But I do have unconditional LOVE to keep me going.
    Nan Norma
    4th Jan 2013
    4:22pm
    Everything you say is true. I sympathise with you. These pollies have aboslutely no idea. Yet, I ask myself, why do they think they need so much money. They are greedy, just plain greedy.
    Actual Cat
    4th Jan 2013
    7:24pm
    Musicveg, You're doing the best you can for your son and keep going - he'll have education opportunities that perhaps you missed out on for whatever reason.
    If there's a yoga class in your town it would help you with your health (and you meet lovely people too).
    Best wishes.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    10:44pm
    Thank you for the encouragement Actual Cat,I do yoga at home but can't afford to go to any classes. I am not a lonely person have had enough social life in my younger days so am a bit over it. I just want people to understand why the government has made a hugh mistake. And same goes for health,education,transport,assistance for small business the list goes on. Big business and sport seem to be getting a lot of money. Not to mention the money spent on fireworks for new years eve! Has anyone watched the show on ABC 'How the other half lives"? I don't want to see more kids growing up in crowded housing with no back yards if rent keeps going up too.
    niemakawa
    4th Jan 2013
    4:00pm
    Just another political stunt by this incompetent bunch of fools that stem from the Labor Party. Anyway I certainly could not live on it, that's just my daily beer money, streuth.
    sexeebear
    4th Jan 2013
    4:07pm
    well not as bad as i thought i would ge..t one person calling me rude !!!!!!! now the rules on pensions overseas changed on jan 1st so you will need to check with centrelink but the guts of it is they do cut you off after 6 months..... its such a shame polies are so out of touch with the people.. I work part time but after the govt and tax and housing qld all have a dip and the expenses of getting to work plus clothes for work i actualyl earn $4 an hour or 3rd world wages... shame on the govt... theres no incentive to work but the $4 runs my car so i have no choice till it stops running then i dont get out as no bus servise in my part of brisbane to most of my servises. no one ccares they just want their salleries. bye the way happy new year all sexeebear (the rude one)
    soph
    4th Jan 2013
    7:08pm
    Thanks. I read in a recent newsletter that after 1st Jan taking your pension o/seas stops, unless you had been on it over 2 years. Nothing on C/link site about this..yet! Unfortunately this newsletter cannot be accessed here yet, too recent, and I didn't save it.
    Tadpole
    4th Jan 2013
    5:00pm
    Whoever it is who condescends to live on $35 ,it is nothing but posturing on their part, it means nothing ,it proves nothing , except that they are even bigger clowns than we already know they are not one of them worth a pinch of donkey droppings

    4th Jan 2013
    5:35pm
    Newstart payment would be very tough to survive only but do they also get family allowances as well? Long term it is better for Solo parents to get back into the work place, self esteem and future Super benefits too are all down the track. The government if really intending to get people trained for work could run courses after hours in empty schools and supply carers for for children in those same schools at no cost to the trainee. Vouchers or repayment for fares when attending training or job interviews would make a big difference to anyone on such a low income.
    Being a working mother with children IS hard especially when kids are sick, getting a job that starts early and dropping children off to a friend with a job starting later her finishing later and me picking her children up from school was a life saver.
    One of the most interesting cases I heard of were 2 men 2 children by same mother who was a very poor mother each man got custody of his child shared a house, both fly in fly out but alternated so boys always had a "father" at home. Men can and are good parents too.
    Myself a 1950s "latchkey kid" brought up along with my sisters by my father and at 9 responsible for getting my 5 year old sister to school and her going home to a neighbors house until I got home worked well. To be sure we missed out on some things but so did our Father but we knew he loved us, none of us have ever been on the dole and we learnt responsibility and self sufficiency young too. Working while children are young is not ideal but it can be done.
    littleredrose50
    4th Jan 2013
    6:37pm
    Everyone has all these wonderful answers to this problem. The thing is ,not one solution works for everyone. There are people out there struggling to either pay rent and eat or just pay rent and starve . It is no fault of their own just "bad" training from the start and that is possibly due to the parents not managing OR they were well to do and lost everything because of "bad" decisions. remember the schooling for children leaves a lot to be improved. There are so many children/teenagers/young adults who can't read or write so have no opportunity to find a job let alone a good paying one. I am almost 63 years old now and through no fault of my own, medical reasons I found myself on an invalid support pension about 4 years ago. Luckily for me a girlfriend and I pooled our resources to buy a house and so I could manage financially better. I am very lucky because she "picks up the slack" for me when I need new glasses or blood monitors and other necessities related to my health. Not everyone has this type of support. I don't get rent allowance because I am paying off a half house. If I had to rent I wouldn't be able to eat or purchase my medication which costs ne $35.00 every two weeks on the health care scheme. Every situation should be evaluated individually not as a "blanket" group.
    Jenny if you REALLY want to prove your point of living on $35.00 a day then do it BUT do it as all the other dole and pensioners do. And do it for 6 months WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS OR COLLEGUES. Find a flat,get a bond, pay rent, get the power connected and then go to all the second hand places for furniture clothes and everything you need to live with. Then buy food and take the bus or train. If you are going to prove a point and put your mouth where your money is do it PROPERLY!!!!!!
    Wendy HK
    4th Jan 2013
    6:57pm
    We have a single mother in our family who blatently states that "I don't want to work" and lives the life of "Reiley" unwilling to do anything at all like training (when she only has her own children 3 days a week) has a beautiful home, stainless steel fridge and all the mod cons and seems to be able to buy anything at all, anytime at all without seemingly any effort on her part - I don't know how she gets the money but yes I am jealous/ resentful etc as I am on NewStart at 63 - who is going to give me a job?
    I do feel sorry for those genuine women who try to keep the wolf from the door but you do have the lazy SMs rorting the system
    niemakawa
    4th Jan 2013
    7:10pm
    WEndy, unfortunately I would dare say that at least 70% of single mothers would fall into this category. Government assistance should only be given to those single parents who have named the father/mother on the birth certificate and were in a fixed relationship for at least 1 year. There would of course be some exceptions, of which most people should be aware. No name no pack drill so to speak. Single mothers cannot continue having children, many with multiple fathers, without taking finanacialresponsibility. The system is broke there is no money in the coffers. Pensioners are suffering more than these people many of whom have the capacaity to work but because of shear laziness won't. Having a child is not a right but a privelege and more thoughful consideration should be taken before embtaking on parenthood.
    musicveg
    5th Jan 2013
    1:53pm
    Macjam where did you get your 70% figure from? You are putting us all in the same basket. Naming the father is not the answer, this doesn't help anything. All it does is stress a mother out more especially if the so called father is a drug addict,alcoholic,violent or just plan loser who only cares about himself(no offence intended to caring dads). I had my only child at 39 my last chance to be a parent it was a choice of no abortion or have a child alone,sure I would have preferred to be married or partnered and maybe it was a mistake but why should I or my child suffer hardship when choices are limited.Pensioners are suffering just as much but not more,we don't get all the concessions and help that is available,and I could say pensioners make mistakes by not setting up a super fund or saving for retirement but I know every circumstance is different just like single parents.
    Beemee
    4th Jan 2013
    7:34pm
    She (Jenny Macklin) doesn't look like she has had to scrimp and save (at least not on food).

    I have a brilliant idea to save Australia money, but be warned, the pollies won't save it, they will see the windfall and stake their claim on it in pay rises, perks and jerks. But...
    Instead of paying the kids all this money at a young and brainless age, why not set up a system in place where at the age of 15 a child gets a pittance.
    At 16...Are you still living at home? Are you still NOT pregnant? Increase the money.
    At 17...Are you still living at home? Are you still NOT pregnant? Increase the money.
    Make it a stepped system to at least 21 years of age. No more kids having kids, no more kids on the street, no more baby bonus's, in other words no more free lunch.

    We will still have kids getting pregnant as kids, we will still have kids on the street, but I am laying bets that the implementation of a stepped scheme must cut that percentage down drastically.
    Most of us here came from families where the Dad worked, mum stayed at home, houses were built/bought by our parents with one or two bedrooms and when more kids were born, rooms were added accordingly. Kids today want it all now, there is no patience of saving for something, there is no appreciation of an object saved for when they can proudly say I saved for months/years for that, and take pride in it and look after it.

    If anyone can answer this I would appreciate it.
    "Why are pollies elected who already have sh!t loads of money, as Cattle Barons, Cane Farmers, Sheep Stations, etc?" Why not put in a pensioner who KNOWS how to budget and know how far a dollar will stretch, Australia just might get clear of debt and be on top leading the rest of the world in finances, living, etc.

    And its about time that NO polly should ever be elected in Australia who hasn't been in Australia for at least five generations. They do this in the USA because Ole Arnie couldn't be President only a Governor, so why not here?
    bellatisoy@hotmail.com
    4th Jan 2013
    7:37pm
    35$ is more than enough if i will spend it in a third world country.
    Wendy HK
    5th Jan 2013
    1:08pm
    He, he! Didn't one of the "fat cats" say the Africans earn $2 a day and what are we whinging about!
    sharyne22
    4th Jan 2013
    8:03pm
    I read this was going to affect 80,000 single parents
    Would there be jobs vacant in Australia with hours 9am to 3pm ?
    Of course Jenny Macklin knows the parent needs to be home for the children after school.....doesn't she ?
    Sharyne De Young
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    11:35pm
    There is not enough jobs even in normal hours. Especially for older single parents. Who looks after a child when it is too sick to go to school? Children are being shoved aside for the sake of money,I think it is sad that we live in a so called well off country but can't even look after the kids and elderly,disabled and sick.Who is getting the wealth of our nation? The rich keep getting richer. Mining companies using what belongs to us all is getting shipped overseas with the wealth going to only the few.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    11:36pm
    There is not enough jobs even in normal hours. Especially for older single parents. Who looks after a child when it is too sick to go to school? Children are being shoved aside for the sake of money,I think it is sad that we live in a so called well off country but can't even look after the kids and elderly,disabled and sick.Who is getting the wealth of our nation? The rich keep getting richer. Mining companies using what belongs to us all is getting shipped overseas with the wealth going to only the few.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    11:36pm
    There is not enough jobs even in normal hours. Especially for older single parents. Who looks after a child when it is too sick to go to school? Children are being shoved aside for the sake of money,I think it is sad that we live in a so called well off country but can't even look after the kids and elderly,disabled and sick.Who is getting the wealth of our nation? The rich keep getting richer. Mining companies using what belongs to us all is getting shipped overseas with the wealth going to only the few.
    Dand
    4th Jan 2013
    8:41pm
    Sure I could live on $35 bucks a day so long as I could find a hollow log to live in, was allowed to trap native animals for food, and didn't have to wear clothes.
    Cheers,
    Dan
    Willa
    4th Jan 2013
    8:50pm
    Where is the financial support from the fathers of these kids, do the women disclose the mens names so they have to pay support
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2013
    9:38pm
    Willa, my father was put in prison for non payment of support for his three children; that was in the 1940s. They don't do that any more, and anyway how did the powers (that were) expect that to change the situation? But that was well before government child support payments. Sadly, today, many single parents prefer that the partner not be involved in any way at all so surely support from that partner should not be expected? At least the single parent today does get government child support so the single parent today is sooo much better off than my mother's generation.
    willow
    4th Jan 2013
    10:53pm
    There is also the other side Single Dads. When I met my partner he was a single dad with 3 children. There was no child support from the mum. When we were chasing up some we were told they chase the dads and tend not to chase the mums who should pay support. Eventually we got $18 a month $6 per child.
    evilmonk
    4th Jan 2013
    11:05pm
    i had an interesting 'discussion' about this subject a few days ago - and after not being able to break me on the subject of why i am not able to work (disabled child for whom i'm attempting to get the carer's payment), had a go at me for having this discussion via the internet (apparently we are not allowed to have the internet - or a mobile phone) - that if i could afford the internet (which is essential for kids for school now and which can be very cheap if you shop around) and have a mobile phone that i wasn't really broke and then told me that clothes were luxuries.....not sure the police would agree with that...ignored the fact that i don't drink, smoke, gamble, do drugs or socialise - ever.

    In a nutshell - not all single parents (and it's parents, not just mums - there are single dads out there too) are able to work. Not all single parents have extended family to look after the kids before and after school so they can work. Not all single parents have friends who can help out. If anything, this change has made it harder to work, as they are now allowed to earn even less without losing part or all of their payment, so, for many, their only way out of the cycle is full-time work, which they can't take because they don't have anyone to look after the kids after school, during school holidays, when they are sick etc.
    I'm sick to death of the people who tell us to go find a job. Like we haven't looked. LIke we wouldn't like to work. Like we would prefer to see our kids miss out on the school excursions, camps, etc then work.
    Some of us can't.
    That's reality.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2013
    11:54pm
    Finally someone who sees it like I do. We single parents are not all the same but we are painted with the same brush as far as society goes. I worked hared most of my life getting my first job at 16. I didn't plan on being a single parent at 39,but not all fathers want a child,they just leave and disappear,in my case before the birth. I was hungry,car less and nearly homeless moving 6 times whilst pregnant. I didn't get the baby bonus,my parents had to help me,I didn't have anything.except the reponsibility of a small baby,I was vunerable emotionally and mentally,not too mention heartbroken. But despite all the struggles it changed my life for the better,I now had a purpose in life,to raise a well balance,healthy,happy child who is intelligient,caring,creative and selfmotivated. My son is my life,but people keep putting us down and making us feel unworthy,we fight daily to keep our self esteems,the government is not in any way interested in our well being of parents or their children,only dollars.
    sexeebear
    4th Jan 2013
    11:05pm
    yes they as in child support hounded me unmercifuly and so mentally sick after a breakdown i got a job at the airport 11pm till 7am.. it nearly killed me and guess what they took all my wages for her and the kids.... years later in a property setlement i found out she had a fortune stached away overseas... my pension was reduced coz i worked ...she now swanning round big house car ... me poor and happy ....karma... but not fair to men ever...
    sybilla
    4th Jan 2013
    11:06pm
    I'd have to plan well, budget and be disciplined, but yes, I most certainly could live on 35 dollars per day. Staples like eggs, lentils, barley, wholemeal flour, rice, peanuts etc are still not expensive. You can grow loads of vegies even on your back porch; and we'd probably all be heaps healthier and fitter if we did live more frugally and carefully.

    Another thought. If jobs are so scarce, why is it so hard to find good cleaners, or in fact, any cleaners!!

    Patty
    evilmonk
    4th Jan 2013
    11:10pm
    qestra - a large part of the problem is hours that cleaners work. At night, first thing in the morning - ie when the kids are home and the single parents have to be there with them.
    Do we leave the kids at home alone?
    buby
    5th Jan 2013
    10:45am
    OH but don't forget qestra, even when you growing your own food you have to take the time, or find that precious time to dig the soil put nutriunts into it, costs money to do that it won't grow if there's nothing in the soil to help it along?? and sure you know if i wanted i could live on less, but you know when the utilities come along, and rent and insurance OH hey you have a car i'll bet. Guess what i don't, cause i can't afford one. I couldn't affor to buy one, or run one, or afford the decent mechanic to fix it one that one rip me off. Now at this stage of my life i need one too. YOUr unrealisitic, I been struggling all my life, penny pinching saving to pay the bills/Where was the man in my house, spending it Not on feeding his child/ but buying motorbikes, and all that comes with it. grrrrrrrr YOU have NO idea what mothers have to go through sometimes to survive.
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    4:26am
    i say all those foods you have mentioned are stables, and if you have a certain diabetic need half of what you mentioned is out the window already>?
    professori_au
    4th Jan 2013
    11:34pm
    Macklin should come down off her priviledged status funded by the taxpayer and live in the world of the underprivileged, not for a day but for at least six months.
    I am a pensioner and after trying to meet all of the increasing cost of power water, gas and rent, still have to fund a vehicle as I am unable to travel far by walking.
    However, that is not the point. I continue to make a contribution as a community advocate, lobbying for a better deal for the most vulnerable in our society.
    Macklin and her like, expect single mothers leave children e.g. 8 years of age on their own unsupervised to go to work. That is against the law, Mistake one.
    Mistake two means that single parents must compete for par time work that lets them try and be home for their children when they come out of school
    Mistake three. One of my clients has three disabled children, requiring supervision 24/7. Where is Macklin’s’ government to assist these disabled children.
    Mistake four. The parents are unable to get hospital/medical/dentistry care for themselves or their children.
    One client had been fostering a child from a broken home. The family court supporting the parent’s right to access the child on a parental visit left the child alone where it was mistreated and when the child tried to contact the one person it trusted, DHS put it in a special accommodation where it was bullied and ill treated so badly it ran away and was on the streets for a few days in the cold. Lighting a fire to keep warm, a spray canister was used to start the fire and exploded, resulting in severe burns that will require some plastic surgery.
    Returning the child after many calls to the foster parent, the child was left with some bandages and painkillers to cope. No medi care card to get the medical supplies.
    The hospital said to go to the GP for a script. GP says I can’t treat or give a script without the medicare card. Doesn’t such compassionate care from our governments make you ill?
    They, this wonderful caring government, can spend millions on wars that are not their concern and spend millions on care for the underprivileged in other countries but not for our own.
    I do not begrudge funding for underprivileged in other countries but let us start with our own.
    Mistake five. Two of these children are to attend High School and as the education subsidy has been taken away/reduced the mother has to find something like $2,000 per child. The youngest and possibly the most disabled. Well forget that one even although the child is capable of learning that is not a high priority for the government.
    Mistake six. Where are the jobs for parents needing to have a time table to be able to get home to look after their children?
    Our manufacturing base has been destroyed.
    Our Industry Training has been de-skilled.
    Our State Corporations are planning to sell off our public housing stock, claiming that the maintenance is unsustainable. Well do this calculation for yourself. I took two years rental revenue from the 115,000 tenants. This equalled approximately 1.65M, extend that over10 years you have 8.25 M dollars. If spent on maintenance we in Victoria would have had the best public housing in Australia and still have enough to increase housing stock for the future needs of Victoria. Where did that money go?
    Even the standards for our retail business has been reduced so much so that young people are unable to even properly calculate change without a calculator
    Our education system which used to be among the top in the world is now approximately 27th in world scale, lower than countries like Serbia, Croatia.
    Lower than the USA that looked in envy at our standards.
    We are attempting to contract skilled labour because our penny pinching governments refuse to fund the education system properly.
    Those who believe they can survive on $35 per day and be able to buy a house; a car; plan limited entertainment, holidays, (No!, forget them; holidays are only for the privileged).
    Need I go on?????? I could write a book on the corruption and collusion of our governments between political factions and other vested interests. Our federal government has been high jacked and made a corporation registered as the COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CORPORATION registered in Washington USA, accountable to USA law and the USA revenue department, with registered shelf companies hiding taxpayer moneys off shore. All of this breaches our Commonwealth constitution 1901 and in Victoria the 1855 Victorian Constitution. Why? Who are the beneficiaries? I digress, but it is important to know and understand.
    professori_au
    4th Jan 2013
    11:46pm
    Don't believe all the spin doctoring about australia being broke. It should be the way the politicians are rewarding themselves for selling us out. Australia has been made into a Corporation where our rights are being taken away. the ral government is we, the people of the Commonwealth of australia and the Parlaiments are our servants, yet most of us have been kept ignorant of our Commonwealth Constitution (Our Ruleof Law). Our constitution has not been taught in our schools and universities since approximately 1974, so we have a couple of generations, many not knowing we have a Constitution or a Bill of Rights. Why? Because the Corporations says it is so.
    Even our council have been replaced by corporation (trading companies with ABN numbers.)
    In Victoria the Parlaiment high jacked our Constitutions both Victorian 1855 and the Commonwealth 1901, repalcing them with these corporations, arguing they have the authority under the 1975 Victorian Constitution and the Local Government Act 1989, both invalid. Councilors are prepared to commit sedition and treason, Taxpayer/Rate payer moneys are put into investment accounts with no acountability or transparency. These moneys are being used without the approval of an Appropriation bill to approve them
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    4:06am
    yes professori, for enlightening us it has been interesting reading, and how to get this class action going well that might be a difficult thing, but definitely should be done. also i beleive you should write more info on this yes write your book. I will read it :) thankyou.
    musicveg
    5th Jan 2013
    12:07am
    Thank you professori_au,what an interesting read. We are mostly ignorant of what is really going on with the wealth of our country. Please write a book,I will read it!
    krysjanik
    5th Jan 2013
    12:34am
    Been there done it when both hubby & I lost our jobs, having a mortgage bringing up 3 kids. Mortgage was $320 a fortnight & we were getting $640 a fortnight from Centrelink. I remember my darling kids asking for something in the supermarket which we couldn't afford.
    By the time you put your rent/mortgage/electricity/gas/insurance, there is little money let over to feed the kids & clothes so Jenny Macklin you reckon you could live on $35 a day. Please try it & just remember its just not trying to feed your family but it's paying the rent/mortgage/electricity/gas/medications let alone house insurance to guard against all these horrific bush-fires. What/how much have you spent on your family's Xmas presents? Most of us cannot afford to give our kids much. During this latest heatwave, did you go without a/c & try & keep all your family cool????????? as most of us cannot afford this luxury.
    buby
    5th Jan 2013
    10:27am
    NO most of us have to rent, and aren't allowed to put A/C's in the wall. Lucky for me i live in a half decent place. But many don't even have decent HOusing, Cause they haven't built anything decent for single ppl in Victoria for many years. Its a vicious cycle. NO proper housing/how can you sleep and eat properly/SO NO job? NO job-on dole payments, Struggle struggle struggle. SO you Pollies are doing very well. Help those in need, but you don't you keep choking them. NOT impressed.
    trickie
    5th Jan 2013
    2:08am
    She is a silly lady its not just food its housing, clothing, buses, and the children need clothes also picked up and lunches. you cant just do this for a week its a life of this and let me see her take it on for 6 months. This is less than the basic wage. What do they think is being used with this money and the pension is a joke how are you meant to live on this amount I tried to do all I could to give my children all that was needed and put away money for me to retire on but it was just enough to buy a car. Then I was scammed and lost it all. Now at 59 I am meant to do it all again.
    wscifers
    5th Jan 2013
    8:41am
    Not everyone getting a pension is in the same situation regarding such things as health of the individual(s) involved, medication/medical expenses, housing, (own or rent) transport and location expenses and many other conditions affecting those involved. To say one payment suits all will leave many people underfunded. Jenny Macklin and Adam Bandt may be able to survive on $35 per day,but what if they have dependent children to rear and live in an area where unemployment is above the national average? Perhaps the only option for single mums whose youngest child is approaching the cut off age of 8 is to fall pregnant again.
    musicveg
    5th Jan 2013
    1:59pm
    I agree that this is what will happen,more pregnancies equals more baby bonus and more family assistance and back on parenting payment. Too late for me at 51 and I struggle with one child,I never got baby bonus and only bottom line family assistance and no hope of government housing,I wish I did have more children now! You get more help with more kids,even the charity organizations will help you more when you have more than one child.
    kenlow
    5th Jan 2013
    9:42am
    I have read all these comments with amazement, because the one fact not addressed here,is the one we are constantly reminded of by politicians and others, who have a vested interest in Commonwealth Australia Inc, is that Australia is a very wealthy country, actively supporting the poor and not so poor of many other countries, while citizens and children of Australia are deprived of basic care and assistance. Why is this allowed to occur in an allegedly Democratic country.
    niemakawa
    5th Jan 2013
    10:31am
    You are spot on. The tell tale signs are already there , our democratic rights are being eroded by stealth. The Labor Government(s) spells disaster as their main goal is to suffocate us and lead us all to the poor house. They want to be our "Nanny" but they are really the "Big Bad Wolf" waiting in abeyance. In my opionion Labor is a traitor of our values, waiving their big stick at everyone to bring us into line. All pensioners must fight for their rights, anyone who has worked and paid taxes through their lifes should be ENTITLED to a pension and other benefits, regardless of assets. Also the Government has no Constitutional right to denyt his or stop or suspend payments if we decide to live in another Country. Pensioners need to bring a Class Action against any Government that attempts to defraud us in this manner. ANY LAWYERS OUT THERE WHO ARE WILLING TO DO THIS?
    trickie
    5th Jan 2013
    8:04pm
    I have been waiting for someone to understand that yes we did pay for our pensions all these years and what have they done with it. its not just one party both the parties are doing it to us. And you are right we all should have a pension and that should be equal to the minimum wage don't you think. We are well below this line, I have supported my family and worked to provide for my future. But things go wrong and they did for me, maybe its my fault but I am trying my best to work with what I have. I am now down to living with one in my family that will help. But they need there time too. Come on Australia stand together and get what is our right. A Good Pension.
    professori_au
    5th Jan 2013
    10:46am
    Yes Kenlow. I agree. Ask the pollies how much money is invested in off shore accounts and why is it necessary to invest off sure, e.g. The Futures fund. I have been advised that this is in an off shore account in the Cook Islands and is several billion dollars. The Tax office is alleged to be aware of this but does not/in unable to do anything about it.
    Ask the same question in all of the government departments, including those privatized water, gas, and electricity corporations to provide an open, transparent and accountable detail of the funds held in investment funds, e.g. a water board was asked to provide the financial costing of a proposed sewerage plant. At a break in the public meeting a conversation between a private company/contractor was overheard with the contractor/company spokesperson stating there was no way the public would get that information. Why if everything was above board?
    Bet you will get no response from these corporate bodies, or you will be told it is commercial and confidential. Why? It is public/tax/ratepayer money. I suspect the reasons for the excuses is, that if you could do an independent costing it is probable you will find it is possible you are paying several times for the same thing.
    GST tax. Governments cannot charge taxes on taxes, yet do it blithely, as it is only "those peasants" we are screwing the revenue from. These peasants have no rights under Admiralty/corporation laws. At least this appears to be the attitude of our politicians.
    It Most of the pollies performances are remarkable for the lack of performance. They toe the party line, which is a factional line regardless of what party has the power. Candidates are selected and supported by the factions and unless you try to be elected as an Independent then it is difficult to get an MP who will act impartially for his/her constituents.
    I have asked via a Mandate, our local council to provide written and signed copies of proof of its authority to sell public assets and lands. It has refused citing its authority as the 1975 Victorian Constitution, which is just a document, and the 1989 Local government Act, which is also invalid.
    Under the Commonwealth constitution 1900-1 local government is recognized as being the State/colonies. There is no room for corporation of departments.
    Support for a third tier of Local Government has been refused by the people of the commonwealth at least twice, (the last in 1988) Yet the Kennett government went ahead to change laws and create new Acts that effectively changed council (invalid) into trading corporations, many with registration overseas. You have councillors prepared to commit sedition and treason by promoting documents and activities that undermine the real government of the sovereign people.
    These corporations have even become signatories under the UN Agenda 21, signing agreements that effectively attempt to commit the people of the Commonwealth and States to contracts without their consent. Nothing will change until the people of the Commonwealth understand how their government has been usurped and their rights taken away and perhaps start Class Action to regain those rights and their lawful governments; forcing our elected Parliamentarians to govern in accordance to the Will/Mandate of the Sovereign People.
    I apolgise for the long comment. If I was to include chapter and verse about the Rule of Law, it would be much longer. As I said I could write a book, but:( I see my present contribution is to provide inforation whereby people can start questioning those we trusted to carry out our Will, etc.
    professori_au
    5th Jan 2013
    11:53am
    Here's a short question and I will add the questions I raised in the Mandate to the corporate council.
    Short question: Ask why the Gillard government sees fit to spend TAXPAYERS funds of approximately $150 million a year on an army of spin doctors to sell the Gillard government's policies to voters. If the policies are so good then the public would not need to be conned into believing they ar good for them.
    Mandated Questions: Simple and should have been easy to answer for a lawful council.


    In the 1988 referendum the people of the Commonwealth of Australia declared a resounding NO to a third tier of government in the National arrangement therefore I declare concern for the legitimacy for the Council to charge “rates”( a Land tax), for their legal structure is one of a corporate structure.
    The Mandate asks by authority do you act as “Directors” of a Body corporate to charge taxes and ask that you answer the following:
    1. Since the State only acts with a delegated power from the Imperial Crown of the United Kingdom, then what authority permits it to create another level of government
    2. By what authority does the Parliament act to legislate a Local Government Act 1989 (Vic). (Note is the 1975 Victorian Constitution valid?)
    3. By what authority did the Governor of the Queen of Australia act to sign off the LGA. (Note: The Queen of Australia cited is not the Constitutional Queen).
    4. By what authority is the Victorian Constitution Act 1975 established? (Note: State Parliament has NO authority to repeal an Imperial Act, and there has been NO referendum of the people of the State to lawfully establish a new State Constitution
    5. When was the 1855 Victorian Constitution repealed? (Advice received is that it has not been)
    6. On what grounds does council act to establish an “account” on its books for property?
    7. Where does the council place the money raised as tax…..Does it go to State/Commonwealth Consolidated Revenue?
    8. On what grounds does council act with authority to spend public money (taxes and sales from public assets, without an Appropriation Bills passed through Parliament to do so in each municipality?
    moke
    5th Jan 2013
    3:23pm
    Its all very well to tell people to go out and get a job, but many of the jobs that lots of poeple could undertake are in China or many overseas countrys since we seem to import most of these basics of life. So perhaps the Politicians should see how some of these opportunities could be returned to Australia.
    musicveg
    5th Jan 2013
    3:52pm
    This is partly why there are not enough jobs for everyone,outsourcing,buying imports(especially fruit and vegetables) all contribute to the downfall of our country and employment opportunities as well as smaller business like farming. Buy Australian grown and made to help combat unemployment,check the labels of all your goods and demand supermarkets stock Australian produce.
    carmencita
    5th Jan 2013
    3:36pm
    It would be good to know if the Macklin could do it. From that $35 per day, take your rent, electricity, telephone, gas, food, clothing, transportation, etc.......
    trickie
    5th Jan 2013
    8:09pm
    and as this is amid at women with children, don't forget to put in the cost of bringing up the children.
    Alida Talbot
    5th Jan 2013
    7:44pm
    The truth of it is when they become innoculated with the rarified atmosphere that is Canberra, politicians actually believe in their "ability" to be able to get away with anything.
    Gillard believes she is on a mission to save us all from ourselves.
    Worse, she thinks we should all be thankful for her meddling interference.
    Rudd treated the place as though it was his own personal bank and threw money at whatever useless, ill conceived idea the looney left came up with believing this would keep him in power for ever!!!!!
    At the end of it all the Emporer still has no clothes on and we are the dummies who,way back, swallowed the line that if we worked hard and paid our taxes we would be provided with a half decent pension. How gullible were we?
    trickie
    5th Jan 2013
    8:15pm
    Yes so read MACJAM 10.31am it states that we need lawyers to do a class action its something I have been thinking for so long.
    trickie
    5th Jan 2013
    7:52pm
    As my father died when I was 7, and my poor mum didn't get a single mums pension, I had to bus it to school and back by myself. We had no one to help no family. Its lonely and upsetting my mum use to be home at 6 pm one night she didn't come in on time I remember standing at a lamp post waiting and crying thinking my mum had left me too. She did come but I was so lonely as a child growing up. Is this what we want for our grand kids? I don't want any child to have to live the way I did. Most if not all the girls did get pregnant by themselves, but everyone blames them for the mistake its just as much the boy's as well. But to live under the shadow of guilt is so heart breaking. Why are you trying to put them under so much stress please rethink what it is you are doing. Maybe groups that can support each other. while one mum works the others can help to look after the children, go back to stuff people did many years ago.
    evilmonk
    5th Jan 2013
    8:37pm
    Centrelink doesn't allow that. I know of a single dad who had a full time work who had a friend (male) in need of somewhere to live. They made a deal, his friend looked after the kids in exchange for a roof over his head and food and security (he had been couch-surfing for quite some time) and the single dad could keep on working. Centrelink was constantly at his friend to find work, do training etc etc and would not allow him to continue looking after the kids unless he was paid full wages by the single dad. The system they had was working, the single dad was not claiming any money from centrelink, the friend had somewhere to live and the kids were being looked after well.
    By the time centrelink finished, the single dad had to give up work as his friend wasn't allowed (by centrelink) to look after the kids and he had to go on the sole parents pension, his friend had to find somewhere else to live as the single-dad had to leave his house (which came with the job) and take a run-down 2 bedroom house that he could afford with his reduced income. He, by the way, was a farmhand, starting work at 6am to milk, working on and off all day then milking again at night finishing around 7pm - so taking the kids to a child care centre was not an option. The kid's mother had run off and her address was unknown for quite some time, so having them take them was not an option either. (Mind you, it still isn't as she is now living with a druggie and the kids refuse to go there)
    In the end centrelink ended up having to support two people, instead of one, because they would not listen.
    Sandy
    5th Jan 2013
    10:44pm
    One size fits all doesn't work when applying it to all the complex situations that happen out there in the real world. Life is messy and always will be. Someone has to make a rational decision when looking after people who..for whatever reason ...are having problems with housing, income and generally fitting into the workforce. People who work at Centrelink need to be trained to deal with these difficult issues. Good decisions can make it possible for good results in the future. We are all vulnerable and at any time in life we could be in a difficult situation where we need some support. It is time for people to stop being judgemental..have some compassion for their fellow human beings..but for the grace of God there go I....
    professori_au
    6th Jan 2013
    12:55am
    I have commented earlier on our corrupt and illegal governments. However, I feel I must speak on behalf of many of the staff at CentreLink. The frontline staff is in the firing line of the public and basically are the meat in the sandwich.
    They are just as often frustrated as we; having more knowledge and experience with the problems of those in need of help, than the executive management.
    I urge people not to take your frustration out on them, they are doing the best they can; often with inexperienced staff, lack of resources, including backup resources such as social workers, trained and experienced psychologist, etc.
    On-going training is something the Public service espouses but does not really believe in.
    It is the executive that should be in the firing line, but no; they are too busy being career bureaucrats, toeing the factional party line. They have no empathy or interest in those who a really their employees and not their servants. Many come in from private enterprise on the basis of implementing government policy, good, bad or indifferent.
    Private enterprise is not compassionate or sympathetic of those in need. Believing in the user should pay or go without as do our USA policy makers. That is why you have an increasing level of depression and suicide. For example, one case I was involved when it was brought to me as a community advocate involved a young man 16 years of age contemplating suicide. Recognizing he was in need of help He contacted helpline and explained his situation. He was asked had he contemplated suicide before and when he said no, he was told they could not help him.
    When I arranged an appointment for him with a charity groups I asked him did he mind if I sat in on the interview to ensure he was treated properly. The interview was conducted well but the outcome was to inform him he would have to go on a waiting list for up to 2 years.
    I stated this was unacceptable and I was not prepared to allow it to happen, he needed help now! Finally it was agreed to send him to a private psychiatrist. Diagnosis was schizophrenia and dyslexia. Provided with the appropriate medication he was fine.
    His dyslexia sxolution. He was sent to an optician who provided him with a higher magnification lens for his glasses. No solution and no further assistance. I was aware from my study and research that sometimes dyslexia was secondary to how the cones and rods within the eye perceived colour, etc. I arranged for him to go a specialist clinic, (I believe it is not accepted by the Medial or Optical professions). As I was interested in the subject I asked, if the lad was willing, could I sit in on the testing. I was absolutely amazed at the results.
    From a hesitant, squinting beginning; as they worked closer to the appropriate colour, he gradually improved his reading until he was reading clearly and without hesitation. He is an avid reader today, reading everything he can put his hands to from fiction to science and technical books and journals.
    Because of the government present culture towards education we are losing assets comprising of young people who just need a little help.
    If you are disabled you rate at the bottom of priorities. People with differing needs are lumped together, i.e. physical and inttelectual with the physical disable getting a little more support (because you can see their disability) whereas the mental disabilities are not seen.
    I NOTE IN THE AUSTRALIAN THE TOTAL AMOUNT SPENT ON COMMERCIAL SPIN DOCTORING COMPANIES AMOUNTS TO APPROXIMATELY $830 M TO SELL POLICIES, ETC. TO THE PUBLIC. MEDIA
    PM'S $150M SPIN DOCTOR BRIGADE BY: NICOLA BERKOVIC FROM:THE AUSTRALIAN AUGUST 13, 201212:00AM CHECK THE ARTICLE FOR YOURSELVES.

    It seems to me these spin doctors are having too much influence in government.
    If a policy is a good one, there should be no need to spend so much of the taxpayer dollar to convince people.

    Yet the government is considering sacking public servants and further out sourcing. Remember private corporations are their to make a profit and if convincing government to a certain way of thinking they can then urge for more money for further research.

    This is taxpayer money used to further the interests of political factions and other vested interests. Extend the reasoning to State governments/ department/privatized public utilities there is an immense pool of cheap capital for these companies to tap.
    niemakawa
    6th Jan 2013
    10:51am
    Having been reading your comments with much interest. You have touched on some very important issues which highlight the massive erosion of Government accountabliity in this Country. I believe Australians in general have become very complacent as far as politics go which is a dangerous situation for us all in the long run. Voting is merely a sidestep and each of us that care about our rights and the continuing democracy of this Nation has to be vigilant at all times to ensure that Governments act in the BEST INTEREST OF ITS CITIZENS. Obviously the current Federal Government is not doing so and all we seem to herre about from the PM is rhetoric about "Our" International obligations. This is all well and good but those that need help in our own Country have to take a back seat whilst this is going on. Not good enough. Look what has happened in Europe, the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels tow the line and all member states have to fall into line or pay dearly. The same is happening in Australia where the States are being threatened by the Federal Government on all fronts. WA is a prime example with the distribution of GST revenues back to this State. I think even the Australian media has lost some of its bite and is holding back on stories in fear of retribution. The illegal immigrantsdebacle is a good example, where boats are arriving unabated but the public are not being informed of these arrivals as they happen. The GENUINE needy in Australia are having to pay the price, many of whom require some sort of welfare, just to survive. They have become the hunting ground for Government cutbacks, which does not auger well with the general populace. Too many sacrifices have been made by our forebears to relinquish our freedoms now to a Government regime that is hellbent on depriving us of it.
    buby
    6th Jan 2013
    11:17am
    indeed thats very correct I pity my grandchildren.. I've done my best, obviously not good enough and i just have to say, i can't understand those that don't want to vote, they should yet they are being so blase', how very silly of them.
    Stand up and be counted ppls don't be afraid
    Crazy Horse
    6th Jan 2013
    11:38am
    Macjam, I cannot let your "illegal immigrant" statement go unchallenged. Tony Abbott uses this line all the time in his attempts to whip up hysteria. However when he was challenged to specify which law is being broken he is unable to answer. The reason he can't is because it is 100% legal under intenational law for any person to travel to any country by any means they choose. The only requirement is that you must present yourself to the authorities as soon as practicable AFTER arrival.
    niemakawa
    6th Jan 2013
    11:54am
    FYI

    "Protection obligations may also not be owed to a person who already has effective protection in another country, through citizenship or some other right to enter and remain safe in that country.

    International law recognises that people at risk of persecution have a legal right to flee their country and seek refuge elsewhere, but does not give them a right to enter a country of which they are not a national. Nor do people at risk of persecution have a right to choose their preferred country of protection.
    "
    professori_au
    6th Jan 2013
    11:45am
    Kaye Fallick
    4th Jan 2013
    Hello Kaye.
    I read with interest you comment about unemployment being at 5%.
    If you believe that, then you are a victim of the spin doctors employed to manipulate data to show what a wonderful world we live in and that I have already commented on.
    Working a couple of hours per week then you are not unemployed, attending so called Mickey mouse courses to improve you employment skills, you are not unemployed you are a student and so on.
    Our manufacturing base is slowly being destroyed as our government allows cheaper, inferior goods to be brought into Australia.
    Our hospitality industry has reduced apprenticeships down where possible and replaced them with traineeships on minimum wages and that attract subsidies.
    Our motor industries are gradually cutting down their operations in Australia and moving off shore. They will remain only as long as the government hand feeds them with multi-million dollar grants to stay.
    We are losing jobs rapidly every day and they are not being replaced. Jobs available are minimum wages, frequently offering no incentive; no future, lack OH&S conditions. Companies complain of the lack of loyalty but offer little loyalty towards their workers. The so-called global economy/level playing fields has been a dismal failure and the only beneficiaries have been shareholders, (mostly overseas), CEO’s employed to break down successful companies, especially government ones like the SEC, Telstra, the People’s banks, etc.
    Superannuation contributions are disappearing and no one in the government seems unduly concerned. How do I know this? I was involved in industry training for a period and saw how the government was toeing the line for big business and gradually manipulating training so it was the minimum the companies needed. It was no longer industry training but what I called venture training in many instances, i.e. I am only interested in the employees knowing how to do the work my company requires, I am not interested in broad based industry training. I want to be able to get rid of employees when the work is completed and replace them with another lot at minimum rates when needed. That is why industry is crying they need to bring skilled tradesmen and professionals from overseas. They have these people do the work and return to their country of origin. The cost of this sort of operation would be better utilised if it was spent on good education and good industry, although I wonder what industry that will be as we at the rate we are going will not have any industry left.
    When we had an independent and autonomous government monitoring system accountable to parliament it was reasonably well monitored. However, once this was self-regulated it became subject to abuse. Self-regulation has never really worked. There are the good employers but there are also some greedy unscrupulous ones. It is these that need to be monitored and subject to random checks on wages, OH&S and other compliance issues, etc, etc..
    I know as I was an inspector for some time.
    niemakawa
    6th Jan 2013
    12:10pm
    It is all Governments' prerogative to lie or to use the euphemism 'SPIN" Better chance of finding a needle in a haystack than getting the truth from them, but still we must follow like lemmings going over the cliff. Even democracy in his Country is a lie, yes we can say within reason what we wish to in forums like this one, but our rights are gradullay being taken from us by STEALTH, little by little, and one morning we will wake up to a knock on the door.
    professori_au
    6th Jan 2013
    12:18pm
    I presented a Mandate to the corporate council provide me with a signed copy of where it derived its authority. Council refused and one councillor was prepared to commit sedition and treason by writing a letter supporting a document claiming to be the constitution that gave council its authority. I attended the "swearing in of the new councillors and Mayor. What a laugh and an absolute disgrace. They are swearing allegiance to a document, neither to our lawful government nor to our Constitutional Monarch.
    When I wrote to the media pointing out the councillor’s error the papers refused to publish the truth.
    However, they did the public a favour. I considered alternatives that proved more successful than I anticipated, with the data going viral right along the east coast of Australia and even across to WA.
    Unfortunately the reputation of the corporate council has gone National? People are contacting me regularly to ask questions about what can be done and where can they find the information. The electronic media is a useful tool and no local control will stop information getting out. I have been interested in Constitutional law and issues for many years and I remind people that the information I provide is available on public record and even in the government libraries.
    While flattering to be recognised for my contribution, it is more important that the public also starts asking questions and demanding answers. This way you do not rely on one person.
    It avoids negativity from some sections of the community who show little incentive or initiative to go and seek information, yet are critically of those who do.
    Again I reiterate, do not take my word; check for yourself by doing your own research and ask questions and demand answers that do not comprise of a PR exercise intended to quieten you down but do not answer the questions. Join with others who are questioning and fighting for a return of the lawful government by the people and for the people. Check the internet to find them and make your contribution.
    evilmonk
    6th Jan 2013
    7:05pm
    Is this really the article to be discussing all this on? This is about centrelink payments, not local council. Not sure we need the subject changed or attention lost.
    Didee51
    6th Jan 2013
    6:30pm
    I agree with Sirrom50. A week is not long enough for them to feel the pain. I have never had to rely on Centrelink but I have watched my daughter whose partner left, raise two boys with no Child Support even though he was traceable and struggle to juggle part time work with caring for her boys. She is now faced with lossing nearly all of her support including rent assistance. How is she meant to survive. I think all politicans should be paid a pension and earn bonuses... we would soon be without any politicians because they wouldn't cope. The government would be better looking at more productive training for the unemployed in fields which teach them trade skills etc...... oh I forgot! in Victoria they have destroyed the TAFE system by making redundant many of the teachers, so now it will take years to replace those very experienced people. Politicans need to think outside the square.
    professori_au
    6th Jan 2013
    7:39pm
    any place is appropriate to discuss corruption and law breaking unless you want to bury your head in the sand and hope it is not happening. People have been kept ignorant of their rights and it needs to be addressed not run from
    evilmonk
    6th Jan 2013
    8:03pm
    what is in your opinion law-breaking and corruption - and bugger the single parents this article was about because they don't matter in the great scheme of things in your mind.
    there's a place and a time and this is not the place or time to be pushing your personal agenda. It's disrespectful. It's ignorant.
    Bury my head in the sand? No. Just trying to keep my head above water.
    evilmonk
    6th Jan 2013
    8:04pm
    Try starting your own thread on the forum and there you can talk about it to your heart's content.
    Otherwise, you're just spamming.
    musicveg
    6th Jan 2013
    9:27pm
    I think what professori_au is saying is relevant,it is the leaders of our councils,states,and country that all have a part in decision making that we don't have enough say in. I feel that is the point he is trying to make us see that we need to make a stand if we want things to change for single parents,pensioners,sick,disabled etc. We need to make our rents,rates,taxes,fines,however else the government collects money be accounted for, for the better of the people not the outrageous pensions that politicians get.Start by emailing your local MPs and take it from there.
    niemakawa
    6th Jan 2013
    9:31pm
    I agree.
    professori_au
    7th Jan 2013
    11:45am
    It is important to understand that parliaments are elected by the real government (us, the people of the Commonwealth of Australia), to carry out the Will and Mandate of the people. Parliaments are the servants of the people.
    When those servants ( Parliaments) decide to high jack the lawful government, install their own corporate form of government, using admiralty law/corporate law to impose a constitution that takes away the Common Law rights of the people, they are actually committing crimes of Sedition, Treason and treachery against both the Constitutional Monarch and the Sovereign people.
    This applies to all levels in Australia, whether Federal Parliament, State or Councils.
    The Commonwealth Constitution 1901, (our Rule of Law) contains guarantees of rights, freedoms and immunities. It is so designed that changes must be made subject to a double majority of the people, i.e. A majority of States and Territories and a majority of the electors within those states and territories.
    Over a period of time vested interests have been gradually attempting to change our Constitution; make new laws that essentially take away those guarantees of rights, etc. One important change was to stop teaching about our constitution in schools and universities. In 1988 I went to a Commonwealth Games review and some students were discussing a point of law. As it happened I knew the answer and in an intermission turned and spoke with them, telling them it was in our constitution.
    What Constitution they asked. I asked them what they were studying and they said law. I was amazed and said surely the Commonwealth constitution, which is our rule of law is part of your course. No they replied it is not part of the course. I suggested they could not dispense law unless they had an understanding of the Constitution. The consensus of the students was they would get copies and start asking their professors and lecturers questions.
    Ignorance is Bliss? Not if it is ineffective!
    As corporations they have given themselves to the power to tax and raise revenues that are the rights of the people of the Commonwealth. They have used this revenue to buy themselves a place on the world stage, supporting wars initiated by larger ambitious countries, funding billions to assist the third world countries in times of disaster. This is not a criticism of assisting others, but to make a point.
    Historically, there has developed within the Australian psyche a willingness to help others and I hope we never lose that. However we also need to look after our own as well.
    However, it has been done by this illegal government at the expense of the people of the Commonwealth to the right of quiet enjoyment, support in sickness and health during the years of making a contribution to the development of our country.
    The illegal government have taken or reduced our rights at a time in our lives when we should be enjoying the fruits of our labour; to ensure our children have the right to a good education, housing, health/medical and dentistry at reason costs. That our governments are responsible government governing for the people and not their ambitions.
    People in other countries are beneficiaries, except for those poor devils subject to illegal wars.
    In conclusion. Yes I believe any forum is the place to discuss the loss of our freedom. To discuss how we can regain our lawful government and our guarantees to fundamental rights. We are being “governed” by incorporated companies who, with the support of our illegal governments giving them the power to charge costs on costs, fines, interests and so on.
    Those who are not interested in the loss of their freedoms can ignore these discussions; bury their heads in the sand and hope it will get better. It won’t unless we fight for our rights, perhaps charge those responsible for treason, sedition and treachery. If not for ourselves, then for our children and their children.
    I will be eighty on the 23rd so the benefit for me will be minimal but by nature I am a fighter and not prepared to lie down and be kicked around. I learnt to stand up for my rights and the rights of others.
    Kaye Fallick
    7th Jan 2013
    6:57pm
    Hi Professori_au, i think your comments are very interesting and do appreciate the time you have taken to post your thoughts. But it is not correct to describe the current government as illegal. It is legal. It is a minority government, something Australians are not used to (unlike the norm in Italy). The current Prime Minister managed to negotiate successfully with independents to form government. The current Opposition Leader did not. Whether we like the government or not, it is legitimate according to our constitution.
    Kaye Fallick
    7th Jan 2013
    6:59pm
    PS I studied Australian Politics at Uni and we spent a lot of time learning about the Constitution - all is not lost !!! :-)
    niemakawa
    7th Jan 2013
    5:36pm
    What a champion you are. Like you, although I have not yet retired, I try my utmost to ensure that democracy in this Country is upheld in the best interest of all Australians. Always writing to my local MP at State and Federal level, also have written to the PM, without acknowledgement on her part. Doesn't matter we have to let them know our concerns otherwise they will ride roughshod over us. Good luck with your endeavours.
    professori_au
    8th Jan 2013
    2:40am
    Kaye, thank you for your comment.
    However, I see flaws in them. Our government is illegal. It is a corporation, note the capitals, THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CORPORATION registered in Washington, USA; accountable to USA law and the USA Revenue department. COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA registered in the
    UNITED STATES SECURITIES EXCHANGE COMMISSION as CIK (0000805157).
    COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
    CIK (0000805157)
    SIC: 8880 - American Depositary Receipts
    State location: DC | Fiscal Year End: 0630
    Business Address
    1601 MASSACHUSETTS AVE NW
    C/O AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY
    WASHINGTON DC 20036
    The argument that we are governed by minority parties is in one sense correct and in the other it is not.
    Set up I understand approximately 1929 when countries agreed to become bankrupt in favour of world banks offering relief.
    It was never put to a referendum
    Sorry if I am not making this really clear but it is an involved and complex system to condense into a short comment, e.g. involving fiction entities, etc., using CAPITAL LETTERS and at the same time attempting to take the Constitutional rights and protection of real blood and flesh creatures. Using Capitals is a method to codify the English language to confuse people. A little like the exercise the spin doctors employed by government to try and convince you they are doing a good job.
    However, as you say all is not lost as the public seeks the truth. This is one of the pluses of the internet. It is difficult to gag and close down; not that it is not being attempted to control it.
    The Commonwealth Constitution still exists although to date has been kept dormant. The same applies to our Constitutional Monarch and the Sovereign people. The Commonwealth Constitution is still our legitimate Rule of Law along with the Constitutional Monarch. The CORPORATIONAL GOVERNMENTS were set up by world banks and if you follow that trail you will find some interesting information about collusion and corruption.
    The USA is also subject to two constitution; one the real one kept dormant by vested interests, and the second one, the CORPORATE CONSTITUTION designed to take away the rights of real flesh and blood people.
    The public is becoming more aware of this and are questioning the authority of these corporations. In the Commonwealth of Australia we elected our MP’s under the Commonwealth Constitution to carry out the Will/Mandate of the people; not to govern for CORPORATIONS CONTROLLED BY THE WORLD BANKS, (read the law on printing money in the Commonwealth Constitution). We, the real blood and flesh people of the Commonwealth of Australia have no contract with the CORPORATION, except when you sign a contract in CAAPITALS, then you hand over your rights to the CORPORATION.
    Again it will seem I have over simplified the comments in the interest of brevity. I urge everyone to research and read up on this subject. The internet is a useful tool for this
    regards
    toot2000
    8th Jan 2013
    5:55pm
    I shudder when I think of those single mums and their children out there trying to live on $246 a week, it wouldn't even cover a quarterly electricity bill and where are they supposed to live, under a bridge?

    The cost of prescription medication also rose on January 1 by 70 cents for general patients who will now have to pay $36.10 per script. It's a cruel world out there if you don't have family to turn to for help.
    Colonel
    8th Jan 2013
    7:44pm
    Yes she should.
    Holden Commy
    8th Jan 2013
    11:38pm
    No one can live on that. I agree, I could live on that much a day too if I had a driver, food, a house, electricity paid, fuel paid for. This has been done before. Its crap. This is how they should do it.......give them a dole cheque and throw them on the streets to find a house, pay bond, buy furniture and everything else. Then see how they fair. This woman is a joke.
    professori_au
    8th Jan 2013
    11:38pm
    Colonel Your comment is too cryptic:
    Do you mean Jenny Macklin or single mothers and their chidren.
    If you mean the mothers and their children then you do not seem to be a compassionate person.
    Have you ever had to walk the mile that these vulnerable parents and their children do every day?
    wscifers
    23rd Jan 2013
    1:19pm
    I think Jenny Mac could probably get by on $35 per day if she lives in her own paid off home on her own, but would she be able to survive on that amount whilst putting dependent children thru school?


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