COVIDSafe app fails to deliver on the promises

Six million downloads and no results: government virus app under fire.

Hand holding a white smartphone with CovidSafe app

The much-discussed COVIDSafe app has not identified close contacts of anyone infected with coronavirus that manual tracing did not find.

Launched on 26 April, the app was touted as a way to end pandemic social restrictions more swiftly. But the troubled software, dutifully downloaded by about 6.44 million Australians, had been accessed only 30 times by mid-June, to no effect.

The app is meant to help state and territory contact-tracing teams find contacts of COVID-19 cases who have been within 1.5 metres of them for more than 15 minutes.

Nine reports that testing data, seen by the Senate's Select Committee on COVID-19, shows when an iPhone is locked, the app has difficulty detecting another nearby iPhone user.

“Only 25 to 50 per cent of the time did it work on May 26 in locked iPhone-to-iPhone testing.

“Issues were also prevalent on Android smartphones, with problems remaining on May 26, especially when the app's testers tried to get iPhones and Androids to share information.”

Centre Alliance senator Rex Patrick, originally a supporter of the concept, accused the federal government of “dishonesty” over the app’s performance, questioning whether it was working properly, or at all.

Labor government services spokesman Bill Shorten said the app “is clearly not working well enough and the government is being secretive about how often it has actually made a difference”.

“COVIDSafe has had major problems from the start like not working properly on iPhones ... After millions of taxpayers’ dollars have been spent, the app would want to start showing some proper results soon ...”

A spokesman for government services minister Stuart Robert said: “The Australian community can have confidence it is working securely and effectively, despite the lack of community transmission of COVID-19.”

In mid-June, authorities said the app was quiet because case numbers in Australia were low.

“Australia is in a fortunate position with so few cases across the country, including returning travellers who would not have the app,” a Department of Health spokesperson said.

But numbers have risen steadily in Victoria ever since. Effective means to trace community transmission are vital to curbing the spiking numbers in that state. Community transmission relates to cases acquired in Australia where the source of the infection hasn't been found.

The ABC reported: “The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee, which provides advice to all health ministers, says community transmission is the ‘biggest single concern’ of the coronavirus pandemic.

“These are the cases of COVID-19 that have popped up in places authorities weren't expecting. They are a concern because they mean there could be more undetected cases among us.

“An increase in community transmission translates to a looser grip on infectioncontrol as there are missing links between cases.”

La Trobe University’s Hassan Vally, an epidemiologist and expert in public health, told the ABC community tracing is “what happens when you do contact tracing and still have no idea how that person became infected. And if you don't know, you can't do anything (specific) about it.”

The Victorian government is conducting a 10-day ‘testing blitz’, featuring 800 testers, because of the community transmission challenge in the Melbourne suburbs of Keilor Downs, Broadmeadows, Maidstone, Albanvale, Sunshine West, Hallam, Brunswick West, Fawkner, Reservoir and Pakenham.

“When you don't know who's spreading the disease, that's when you need to go out and you need to test as many people as possible, which is what's happening right now in Melbourne,” Dr Vally said.

“The trouble is it only takes one infected person and if they infect two, who infect four, then eight and next thing you know, it's gone like greased lightning,” says Professor Gerard Fitzgerald, expert in public health management from the Queensland University of Technology.

“That's why the country is anxiously waiting for Victoria to control this.”

Take-up of the app isstill short of the target of 40 per cent of the population mooted at the launch.

The Guardian’s Josh Taylor says the app needs to be improved because “as the states move to ease restrictions and increase capacities at entertainment venues and sporting matches, the app could prove useful in cases where close contacts aren’t easily identifiable …”

Seth Lazar, who leads the Humanising Machine Intelligence project at the Australian National University, believes COVIDSafe needs more time and more cases to be accurately assessed. It may prove more useful in combatting a ‘second wave’ of coronavirus.

But some have made their minds up already.

A Nine editorial was scathing.

“The recent surge of infections in Victoria has starkly demonstrated that large outbreaks can never be ruled out until a vaccine is discovered. In months ahead, an effective tracing app could make a real difference in combatting those outbreaks. At the moment, Australia does not have that. It's time the government owned up to that and set a path forward to doing everything it can to rectify the problem.”

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    Tanker
    30th Jun 2020
    3:45pm
    This tracing app is shaping up to be another "pink batts" fiasco. It certainly doesn't engender confidence when Stuart Roberts is in charge.
    Horace Cope
    30th Jun 2020
    4:57pm
    So, Tanker, how many people have died because of downloading the App? The "pink batt" fiasco by Rudd cost taxpayers about $1B to implement and about $1B-$1.5B to rectify with 4 people losing their lives as a direct result of the policy. How can you compare the two?
    Rosret
    30th Jun 2020
    5:59pm
    Tanker people died and they had many house fires because of the pink bat incentive. The COVID app is a tool that was created very rapidly to help track COVID contacts. They aren't even closely comparable.
    Given we have had so few cases then I could argue that it has found all the cases I have been in contact with - ie none.
    The only thing that has gone wrong is all the irresponsible people in our community deciding when then they think the risk is over and not actually when the risk IS over. - So be scathing of them not Plan A.
    Eddy
    30th Jun 2020
    6:32pm
    Come on Horace and Rosret, please explain how was the federal government responsible for the pink batts fiasco, all the federals did was put up the money, nothing else. They did not engage any contractors, the house owners did that, they do not enact building regulations, state governments do that and the building regs are enforced by local government. I would suggest the pink batts fiasco was caused by disreputable businesspersons aided and abetted by state and local governments.
    Blaming the federal government for the pink batts saga is comparable to blaming the government for medical misadventure, not the health professionals or individual hospitals, on the basis that the government, through Medicare, funds medical procedures.
    Fedup
    30th Jun 2020
    6:43pm
    Eddy, exactly correct. Many of my friends were very happy to get the pink batts, and they used recommended contractors from the government website, not the shonks who caused the problems. The scheme wasn’t a fiasco. That was Abbott’s description because it wasn’t his idea.
    libsareliars
    1st Jul 2020
    3:22pm
    Another waste of money by this government.
    Farside
    2nd Jul 2020
    1:03pm
    It was not the pink batts stimulus that caused the house fires and unfortunate deaths. Blame for these rests squarely on the shoulders of those cowboy operators, yes the very same tradies and SMEs so beloved by governments of both persuasions, who put workers and customers at risk as well as the program supervisors that were allowed them to participate in the scheme. Insulating households is actually a good thing and makes a bigger difference to household energy consumption than other interventions.
    Viking
    2nd Jul 2020
    2:01pm
    Well said Farside.
    tobymyers
    30th Jun 2020
    3:47pm
    I suspected it was not working from the start because every time I pulled it out to check nothing seemed to be happening.....a bit like those buttons you press when you want to cross the road.
    KSS
    30th Jun 2020
    4:03pm
    Nothing will happen that you can see. It simply records the other phones you have been too close to for 15 minutes or more. In the event you (or they) bec ome infected, you will be asked to give your permission for that data to be downloaded so those at risk can be contacted.
    Rosret
    30th Jun 2020
    6:03pm
    You are not likely to get any response because you have not been in contact with anyone with COVID. You will only be contacted by them phoning you if you did come in contact with a person who later has been tested positive for COVID.
    MB100D
    1st Jul 2020
    6:00pm
    The Person with Covid19 would have to have had a compliant Smart Phone, have downloaded the App and had Bluetooth on.
    So that's less than 35% of the population.
    KSS
    30th Jun 2020
    4:12pm
    Another negative Nancy article. The fact that the app is showing the same connections as traditional contact tyracing should in fact offer some level of comfort that traditional contact tracing is working and is of a very high standard.

    If you look at Victoria, the vast majority of the new cases are from just a few families who clearly did not maintain social distancing. This being the case, they would know who they had been in contact with and pass on those details - app or no app.

    It is more important for those who cannot remember or don't know where they have been or who they were with (a protest march for example). And then you have to hope that everyone at the protest has downloaded the app. If they didn't or didn't have it turned on, then that cannot be claimed as an app failure. Yet again it is human failure to follow advice. No app no matter how expensive or detailed will prevent the willful disregard of health advice.

    This is just another beat up on the current Government for no justifiable reason. But then this is YLC right!
    Janus
    30th Jun 2020
    4:34pm
    KSS, as you will be aware, virtually everything that Stuart Robert touches turns to crap. An amazing ability, also amazing that Scomo has not sacked his mate...oh, yeah. No excuses. YLC does some basic articles, but if you don't like it, go onto facebook or Twitter and babble away with the low life.

    I did not download the app, because it would not run on my phone, we live in a remote area, and Stuart Robert was the organiser. 3 out of 3 for a dead loss. Justifiable criticism? I think so. It's our tax money.

    Of course people are also not following the advice. Over 900 refusing a test? Lock them down completely until they get a test! This is serious stuff!
    diamond
    30th Jun 2020
    4:47pm
    Of course it is negative because it just isn't working:

    " But the troubled software, dutifully downloaded by about 6.44 million Australians, had been accessed only 30 times by mid-June, to no effect."

    Who cares if the government waste a couple of million dollars of our money on an ineffective app? Heaven forbid anyone criticising the government. Keep your rose coloured glasses on.

    Now there is another potential pandemic coming from China:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53218704

    Maybe the app can also fail to detect that one
    .
    Rosret
    30th Jun 2020
    6:07pm
    Yes - and because they had huge party gatherings the chance of them being responsible enough to download the app is probably minimal as well.
    pedro the swift
    30th Jun 2020
    4:33pm
    It wont work just like the British one doesnt work , Smoke and mirrors claims from the gov, Again!
    Eddy
    30th Jun 2020
    6:39pm
    More likely the government was outwitted by smart IT Developers who convinced the IT illiterate of the advantages of the app. I wonder how much they were paid and did they supply any guarantees it would work. Maybe it was the same people who sold Robodebt to the government.
    tobymyers
    30th Jun 2020
    4:43pm
    I think it would have been more helpful for the government to have an online live website showing where the infection are at least then I would know which areas to avoid .For instance the local shopping centre , would be nice to see how many red dots wandering around through the centre carrying the infection but i guess if the phone is not on or not connected to a service they would know as much as I do which is nothing.
    Country John
    30th Jun 2020
    4:44pm
    I downloaded the app but both on my Samsung Galaxy and now my iPhone 11 I keep getting messages 4 or 5 times a day to turn on the app because it is not running. I haven't bothered with it much for this reason. I did ring the App hotline and sought their input and was told it was a problem which would be fixed in the next 48 hours as part of the next update. That was 3 weeks ago and still have the same issue.
    Rosret
    30th Jun 2020
    6:10pm
    Have you switched on Bluetooth?
    tobymyers
    30th Jun 2020
    4:47pm
    And I might add I am like the Lone ranger I am the only one wearing a mask which brings me to the point that now WHO are saying wearing a mask would reduce the chance of infection by 85% so I ask why masks have not been freely available and I mean freeeeeeee at the door of the supermarket or the shopping Centre and entry refused unless you put one on . I guess this is what we get when we live in a country full of morons.
    Rosret
    30th Jun 2020
    6:11pm
    Because they are in short supply and we have been asked to save them for the medical staff.
    Mike Omment
    30th Jun 2020
    4:49pm
    what a collection of Whinging Wendys
    Rosret
    30th Jun 2020
    6:27pm
    Yep.
    inextratime
    30th Jun 2020
    8:35pm
    agree.
    inextratime
    30th Jun 2020
    8:37pm
    Never miss an opportunity to have a political swipe at the party you don't like.
    patti
    30th Jun 2020
    4:50pm
    I never downloaded it. Not because I feared conspiracy, but I couldn't really see what it was actually supposed to do. And my cynicism has been rewarded it seems. My dentist spent a whole appointment time trying to convince me to download it, and like so many other "fancy" apps it appears to have been a waste of time.
    Rosret
    30th Jun 2020
    6:17pm
    The dentist would like you to have it on because it gives him and his other patients a level of protection. If you tested positive he would be warned to also be tested and all his patients would have automatically been notified as well should he test positive.
    To say it doesn't work when there are no cases to test in on and people like yourself don't have it on really doesn't prove whether it does or doesn't work.
    OzzieKrow
    30th Jun 2020
    5:00pm
    I am just one of those who would not download the app. As soon as I heard the contract had been awarded to Amazon. I do not trust them or Microsoft, Google and Apple with my personal details.
    diamond
    30th Jun 2020
    5:08pm
    Ozzie if you go into your phone settings and open Google you will find it is there all ready for you to click on and activate it - courtesy of the government and Google.
    Sceptic
    1st Jul 2020
    2:40pm
    So, Ozzie, you are online. Who do you trust?
    Jim
    30th Jun 2020
    5:34pm
    I am Not sure what people expected from the app, 6.4 million downloaded the app out of our population of 26 million or so, that’s only 25% approx, speaking to different people there are some who thought the app was going to identify people with Covid 19, clearly that’s not it was meant to do, and Bill Shorten not supporting the app is hardly surprising, I was a member of the union he was the head of and he didn’t support us either, so I automatically dismiss anything that he says. The government did something they thought might help, we are admired around the world for our swift response, but of course in hindsight things could have been done better, but not many of us are blessed with being able to see into the future. I think we have done ok.
    Thoughtful
    30th Jun 2020
    9:00pm
    We have done OK. However, very frustrating COVIDSafe does not seem to be doing the job. It was a great idea. Perhaps it should have been tested more thoroughly before being released and then made a bit more attractive for people to download. 25% take up is nowhere near enough and the opportunity is now lost to make it much more than that.

    Apparently the Indian app works much better.
    Sceptic
    1st Jul 2020
    2:42pm
    The general population, like many, if not the majority on this site, going by the comments, are idiots anyway.
    floss
    30th Jun 2020
    5:48pm
    Another Liberal party failure.Pink bats cost very little and worked . How many lives will be lost as the Libs leave us a debit that will take up to 25 years or more for our kids to repay.It may come as a shock to you HC but Rudd is not in power at this time.HC you tell lies for some reason or other you have a problem.
    Jim
    30th Jun 2020
    6:22pm
    There is no point in harping on about past events, even though the pink batts scheme was actually a failure in many instances, but a lot of people took advantage of the free batts including myself, I thought they were a good idea and in many cases the benefits are ongoing, unfortunately not all installations were done properly and many had to be re done, the cost of the batts and the installation were over priced with small houses like my own costing approx $1000, I am not sure that Rudd can be blamed entirely, wasn’t it Peter Garret that was running the show, I don’t know how many lives will be lost because of going into a deficit, or how long it will take to recover, but 25 years seems to me to be excessive, all generations will bear the brunt of the recovery not just the young, even taking 25 years as a guide that would include 50 year olds contributing to the recovery. If anyone can come up with a plan that would have put us in a better position, I have not heard of such a plan, we are being commended around the world for our approach to both the health and economic situation that we are currently in.
    Eddy
    30th Jun 2020
    8:09pm
    25 years is not long Jim,. For instance Germany eventually paid off her debt from WW1 in 2010 (88 years after the Armistice), they have still not paid off their debts from WW2. Germany was hardly a financial basket case for all the last 100 years.
    GOW
    30th Jun 2020
    6:10pm
    Same rubbish same result! Our government does not yet have a handle on the latest tech....like me! So I prefer to be boring and slightly anonymous and go with MY flow.
    Scomo and the rest of them in government need to get a grip and realise they are NOT in control of anything ....it is an illusion....to ALL governments around the world COVID_19 and all other diseases we cannot dissolve are the ELEMENTS just like NATURE we need to live with them and adapt accordingly....GET WITH THE PROGRAM.....we are not in control but we have to live with what we have got! I feel sorry for the wildlife around the world...we b-gg-r-d their world and they are suffering their own virus ....humans101. And before you jump on that comment...NO I am not a radical whatever....just a human.
    BillW41
    30th Jun 2020
    6:19pm
    Instinct told me right at the start that this was a silly idea. Not owning a "smart" phone helped my decision to ignore it.
    Sceptic
    1st Jul 2020
    2:43pm
    Another idiotic comment.
    Fedup
    30th Jun 2020
    6:46pm
    I didn’t download the app because I didn’t think it would work.
    They don’t need the app to work out why the virus has taken off again in Victoria. They know who caused it, but won’t point the finger because they might “offend” someone.
    sainter
    30th Jun 2020
    7:28pm
    The app couldn't give a rats toss bag about it....someone please just find a vaccine that works.
    sainter
    30th Jun 2020
    7:28pm
    The app couldn't give a rats toss bag about it....someone please just find a vaccine that works.
    Aggle
    30th Jun 2020
    7:38pm
    One thing this app does, is it really sucks the power out of the battery in my Samsung Galaxy.
    Viking
    30th Jun 2020
    8:11pm
    So where are the arrogant, know it all YLC verbal thugs who abused other posters for their doubts about yet another government placebo? I didn't down load it because it wouldn't and couldn't work effectively. The criteria of 1.5m for 15 minutes are far two narrow and I and others said so at the time. Maybe if it offered any chance of working more people would have been persuaded to down load it in which case it might have been marginally more effective. Like the government lie on mask inffectiveness this will go down as yet another LNP fake news item and yet another waste of our money.
    Sceptic
    1st Jul 2020
    2:45pm
    Another idiotic comment.
    Viking
    2nd Jul 2020
    9:40am
    Yes Septic, when you're too ignorant to reason your case, resort to your default response of abuse.
    Mootnell
    30th Jun 2020
    9:24pm
    Google and Apple the two biggest tech giants came together and developed a way of running the APP so that it did not have to be used whilst The phone was open (thus flattening the phone battery which meant the APP wouldn’t work then either).
    The government in its normal infinite wisdom declined. so you are left with a white elephant that requires your phone open for the APP to operate and also exposed To hacking. After about 6 hours your phone goes flat so the APP is absolutely useless then anyway.
    It always worries me when people blindly follow a plan that has never been thoroughly tested or thought out. Just like the health App that was hacked this APP is full of holes.
    Their belief that there will be a COVID vaccine in a year Is another blind worry (I listened to a medical show the other day where they were speaking that all current vaccines must undergo a rigorous 5 year trial before being released. So why would you take or use something Just because a man in a suit With utterly no qualifications tells you it’s ok too?)
    Di
    30th Jun 2020
    9:49pm
    The source code for the app has been released and I hope that extensive testing (apple2apple + android2android + apple2android) in the development lab has been done. So maybe it is time the test reports were also released by the Govt. Notwithstanding this where are the Australian whizz kids cum cyber experts cum software engineering gurus who should be able to analyze and suggest app improvements or find the bugs in the app - or have we indeed become the dumb Aussies in SE Asia? sigh
    JoJozep
    1st Jul 2020
    11:31am
    I don't remember how many times I argued this App was a beat up, bullshit useless programme. ScoMo, being a technology illiterate, swallowed the bullshit coming from his IT advisors and recommended we all get the app. Many people believed the app would immediately identify "hot spots" and would therefore would direct efforts to contain the virus to those hot spots. This would in turn, contain the outbreaks.

    Bullshit!!!! Think, think, think, those LNP morons didn't or couldn't think it through. Why?

    1. You have to assume everyone has a modern phone with long battery life.
    2, You have to assume the phone can track your whereabouts. (No thanks, Amazon, Google and Apple would love to know where you are and where you've been to feed advertising requests for sales. This is a fundamental push by Sales people)
    3. Where would you be in close contact with someone who is positive for 15 minutes? A Tram, bus or train, a school, a library, a medicine clinic, a dentist, a funeral parlour, a church, a tea party, a chemist, a shopping centre, a seance, possibly several more I can't think of at the moment. All these must be locked down to prevent contamination.
    4. Even if you knew you were positive (a lot don't know this), you still need an income and you need minimal shopping and medicines, so these should have been addressed as first priority. In fact, the majority would keep their mouth shut!

    So, in effect, the app does none of these things properly and may give false sense of security. If you are covid 19 negative, how does it know your close contact is positive? Does the app on the positive person detect they are positive? Nope! Does the positive person tell the app they are positive? Nope! (would you do that?) So who is configuring the app on every suspicious person they are positive, and how long does the app remain positive? Would any one like to publish to all and sundry they have the virus?.

    Where and when are the testing authorities revealing true numbers to the rest of the community? In fact we don't have published figures by cases and locations posted that I know of. Why is the information with held? Isn't that what the app is supposed to tell us? For example a news item might read "Broadmeadows had 200 positive infectious cases yesterday, don't go there under pain of death!" Wouldn't that truth scare the BeJesus out of anyone. If you lived in Broadmeadows, wouldn't you consider everyone nearby (other than yourself of course) infected and therefore to be avoided. You haven't hugged, kissed or even spoken to your near neighbour for the past ten years, what's going to make you do it in the next few months?

    No one in government, State or Federal wants to reveal these figures because they know the repercussions. All those postcode numbers mean all victorians will avoid going there. Once we are clear of the pandemic, they still won't go there, I won't because I don't like to start a third wave and so on. Disaster for those named suburbs.

    Hard to criticize I know, but governments need to examine other solutions where possible, until a vaccine is available.
    Maybe they can develop an app which is loaded on everyone's phone and measures body temperature. No ifs or buts. The app can be switched on automatically, every half hour or so for a few seconds, take body temperature, and record anything abnormal. If this is recorded three times in a row, the app auto rings the nearest test station saying Mr. XYZ tested positive at 9.00 am. at Keilor Downs or other positive location. Then the test stations would send a team directly to that identified person and test using the saliva or nasal/throat to confirm positive or otherwise. The Government has to stop warning us, hospital resources would be overcome if too many test positive. That's no excuse, when you're sick, you're sick. Elderly people should be given preference for treatment. The government will be the last to admit under the present system they are almost powerless to do anything. From the public's point of view, encouragement and assurances of privacy would help, so we can mourn our grief in privacy but in the knowledge everyone else is suffering the same trauma. Then we can act collectively.
    Vee
    1st Jul 2020
    2:45pm
    My son's 2 year old android smart phone won't run it at all & the phone doesn't work properly with it running
    tobymyers
    1st Jul 2020
    3:06pm
    What a load of rubbish about the masks i had 3 clothes masks and 80 filters by the end of March while others where screaming they could not get them . Then on top of that another 100 disposable masks arrived in April which we gave to out friends who said they were not going to pay the rip off prices and for sure there were a lot of rip offs but I knew where to source them and acting swiftly was what I did ......................lazy fcckin aussies
    tobymyers
    1st Jul 2020
    3:19pm
    Ah now you are treading into my territory when you start talking Insulation as I had a share in an Insulation Company for 20 years and worked in the Industry for over 20 years.
    The so called Pink batt deaths were from people being employed by over night companies who just shot up like mushrooms to get the government money.
    How to cut a batt ?
    With a knife or blade .
    What do you need ?
    A board !!!!!!!!!!
    Silly silly people cutting batts on a joist and slicing through the electrical wiring.

    Batts don't just catch fire.

    Fiberglass is non-combustible. It simply won't burn.

    They can be near a hot light for 20 years and they wont burn .
    If you get up in your ceilng where they have been near a hot light you will see evidence of degradation of the batt from heat .
    The problem with houses burning down was with insulation that was paper pulped up and treated with boric acid.
    Pumped into the ceiling over time the chemical breaKS down and what do you have left ?????

    PAPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    libsareliars
    1st Jul 2020
    3:29pm
    Thanks for that information tobymyers.
    tobymyers
    1st Jul 2020
    3:19pm
    Ah now you are treading into my territory when you start talking Insulation as I had a share in an Insulation Company for 20 years and worked in the Industry for over 20 years.
    The so called Pink batt deaths were from people being employed by over night companies who just shot up like mushrooms to get the government money.
    How to cut a batt ?
    With a knife or blade .
    What do you need ?
    A board !!!!!!!!!!
    Silly silly people cutting batts on a joist and slicing through the electrical wiring.

    Batts don't just catch fire.

    Fiberglass is non-combustible. It simply won't burn.

    They can be near a hot light for 20 years and they wont burn .
    If you get up in your ceilng where they have been near a hot light you will see evidence of degradation of the batt from heat .
    The problem with houses burning down was with insulation that was paper pulped up and treated with boric acid.
    Pumped into the ceiling over time the chemical breaKS down and what do you have left ?????

    PAPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    JoJozep
    1st Jul 2020
    4:14pm
    A couple of points. Tobymyers hit the nail on the head regarding the Pink batts Fiasco. There were other reasons four young people died in Queensland, aside from shonky flyby night installers. They used aluminium foil backed batts (whether pink or yellow doesn't matter) and the untrained "apprentices" were told to install the Batts with the foil facing up, so they could staple through the aluminium onto the joists. The houses in Queensland, and roof areas were not checked if electrical wiring conformed to regulations. The householders also must have done shonky wiring, because in Victoria at least, it contravenes regulations to fix the wiring at the top face of the joists. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

    In my experience as Chief Architect with War Service Homes Corporation (Veterans Affairs) in control over the quality and safety of houses built for war veterans, not once in 20 years that I was involved with the department, did we hear of an accident involving electrocution. That was in a total of over 115,000 houses in Victoria Alone. Nor did I hear of similar accidents in all the other States.

    You can't blame a government for any responsibility for the deaths when some shonkers didn't do the right thing in the first place, but the government should have thought the process through and set proper guidelines of what , where and how and by whom the insulation could be installed. No one talks about the huge benefit to households, the employment of thousands of people and the required expenditure during the financial crisis. Faulty heaters were installed at one time by these opportunistic "Shonkers" and people inhaled dangerous gases. Yet they contravened regulations. Can you blame State and Federal Governments for that? What were the Council Inspectors and certified building inspectors doing at the time?. Where were they when they installed fire prone cladding on multi-storey flats?

    Corruption anyone?
    Tarabelle
    1st Jul 2020
    5:31pm
    I didn't keep it on my phone very long.............it was flattening my battery very quickly. I don't go out much anyway......just to doc once a month. Don't have people coming over, so no chance of me spending 15 minutes in close contact with anyone.....or their phone.
    Oxleigh
    1st Jul 2020
    11:20pm
    Did the government or anyone pay for the app or was it donated by the Chinese ???


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