Labor announces raft of policies to help older Australians

Labor puts aged care reform and workplace retraining at top of policy rollout for older Australians.

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Labor’s shock loss at the 2019 federal election, when its franking credits policy cost it the votes of many older Australians, is being assuaged by a raft of announcements aimed at wooing back those voters.

Federal leader Anthony Albanese announced on Wednesday that a Labor government would focus on key areas relating to older Australians: the superannuation balance between men and women, aged care, intergenerational care, retraining to help over-55s stay in the workforce and a pensioner dental plan.

Addressing the issue of older workers having trouble getting jobs, which YourLifeChoices members repeatedly note in our annual surveys, Mr Albanese says the solution for many is “to upgrade their skills, which underscores the urgency of rebuilding our TAFEs in particular and our VET (vocational education training) system in general”.

But on the vexed topic of ageism, he said cultural change was needed and that employers must play their part.

“According to Deloitte Access Economics, a three per cent increase in workforce participation by Australians aged over 55 would generate a $33 billion boost to the economy each year,” he said.

“Volunteering is great. But to build a stronger economy, we must harness the talents of everybody – and that includes older Australians who are sources of wisdom and experience for their employers and co-workers.”

In YourLifeChoices’ 2019 Retirement Income Review Survey, 69 per cent of the almost 4000 respondents, said there should be more incentives for people to work for longer.

When asked what the main barriers were to continue working, 26.5 per cent said ageism and 21.4 per cent said a lack of paid employment options. Another 23 per cent said the effect on the Age Pension payment.

In YourLifeChoices’ 2020 Insights Survey, 61 per cent of 5723 respondents said the government should ensure older Australians were able to earn more without reducing Age Pension entitlements.

Mr Albanese also outlined Labor’s positive ageing strategy. He labelled the current system “broken” and said Labor would facilitate more intergenerational care where older and younger Australians could be cared for together.

“The benefits of intergenerational care are immense,” he said. “It can help our elderly re-engage with the world, minimise their isolation and the effects of their health issues.

“The ABC program, Old People’s Home for 4 Year Olds, made me laugh and made me cry, but it also made me imagine a future where intergenerational care is the answer to our aged care crisis.

“Imagine a future where we co-locate aged care facilities, including day respites, with kinders and preschools.”

He said day respite for the elderly was the “missing piece of the puzzle”.

“Imagine being able to drop your child and grandmother off to the same location,” he said.

“Imagine knowing their day would be enjoyable and safe, with activities led by well-paid staff.

“The benefits are immense. It can help our elderly re-engage with the world, minimise their isolation and the effects of their health issues.”

Mr Albanese attacked the government’s plan to privatise aged care assessments.

“The first interaction the elderly and their families have with the aged care system is through an aged care assessment or ACAT. It is the first step to getting a home care package or entering a residential aged care facility.

“Our aged care system is broken – and this government wants to make it worse by subjecting ACAT to the indifference of the market. There is a role for the market. But markets have no conscience.”

He confirmed Labor’s ongoing support for a pensioner dental plan, which it took to the last federal election.

Mr Albanese said Labor would improve Australia’s superannuation system and took aim at the parties arguing against the guaranteed increase to payments.

The guarantee is due to increase to 10 per cent in 2021/22 and then rise by 0.5 per cent in each of the following four years, hitting 12 per cent in 2025/26.

A Labor government would also try to improve the superannuation imbalance between men and women, with women retiring with about half the average super of men.

Do you believe Labor is on the right track with its policies for older Australians?

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Chooky
20th Feb 2020
10:41am
Day respite currently is very limited. Families would be more able to care for elderly family members if there were more supports available. We know though that aged care recipients are vulnerable to exploitation by big business running aged care facilities.
There needs ti be serious change but government knows it’s expensive.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:09pm
I can say this, from direct personal experience - a rise in the carer allowance (not the Pension) would help to offset some of the real costs.
Realist
20th Feb 2020
10:53am
Elizabeth Kubler-Ross propose the amalgamation of some child care and aged care - I learned about this, whilst studying in the 1970's. It is not new, however, Mr Albanese and his team can take another look, with fresh eyes and an understanding of today's dynamics.

For all his faults, Mr Whitlam's team revolutionised the way Seniors were treated, much to the disdain of the Liberal Party - who have chipped away at those reforms ever since. From where I stand, the Liberals hate the elderly with a vengeance - why else would they chip away so viciously at our "gains"??
maelcolium
20th Feb 2020
11:40am
Really!

It was the Howard Government that increased pension benefits for the aged and brought in the carer allowance.

You need to stop looking through rose tinted glasses about the ALP era. Progressive ALP politics ended with Whitlam and when Hawke and Keating gained power they shredded the social fabric in this country to which the LNP has added to with vicious glee it seems.

They are both as bad as each other. The ALP no longer stands for the working person. Albo is just waffling on trying to look like an alternative PM when he is anything but.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:10pm
Agreed, maelcolium... I saw Albanese call a meeting of Labor people 'Comrades'... now why the hell would a politician in the West do that to himself?
P$cript
22nd Feb 2020
11:56am
I saw Morrison call the LNP Government, Muppets!

As for the Carer Supplement
This is an annual payment of $600 to eligible carers for each person in their care. Carer Supplement was introduced in 2009, as part of other reforms of pension arrangements. It effectively formalised a series of one-off payment bonuses to carers which were made annually in the Budget from 2004.
ex PS
27th Feb 2020
9:31am
The term comrades is not specific to political identification. Ever heard of comrades in arms?
Gay did not always mean someone who prefers same sex relationships, life is too short to worry about inconsequential things like the choice of fairly inoffensive words.
thommo
20th Feb 2020
10:55am
I'll never ever vote for the LNP ever. Particularly that charlatan Morrison
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
11:45am
I never have and never will. Liberal corruption has destroyed this country.
inextratime
20th Feb 2020
12:42pm
Thankfully you're in a minority. While the libs are not perfect at least you know when they are lying.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
2:05pm
Well Jackie feminism has done the same. Make that women. Will that ever change.
Retiring Well
20th Feb 2020
2:20pm
Why would you vote Labor either as LNP is the best of two evils.
Spartan
20th Feb 2020
5:10pm
inextratime, I agree with you, its very easy to know when anyone is lying when it's their default position.
The Care Bear.
20th Feb 2020
5:11pm
Yes but they are BOTH Evil. We need to break the 2 Party Nexus. Only way is to bring in more Independents.
PlanB
21st Feb 2020
11:37am
Stated:
'Thankfully you're in a minority. While the libs are not perfect at least you know when they are lying.'
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Yes when their lips are moving
hyperbole
21st Feb 2020
11:42am
will never vote for any party that uses the word "comrade"!
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:15pm
Yes, which is all the time PlanB.
P$cript
22nd Feb 2020
12:04pm
What is so bad of comrade, when it's meaning is a colleague or a fellow member of an organization.
ex PS
27th Feb 2020
9:35am
Hyperbole, so I guess you do not support any organisation that uses the term Comrades in Arms, the Armed Forces are obviously a communist organisation.
SOOTIE FROM MARKETING needs to shut them down.
Doc
20th Feb 2020
11:01am
We will still have pensioners voting for the coalition because their parents did.
thommo
20th Feb 2020
11:54am
Yeah Doc, that's because they're bloody stupid idiots .
Retiring Well
20th Feb 2020
2:21pm
Yes thank goodness.
ollie
20th Feb 2020
5:44pm
Franklin credits Bill Shorten Clive Palmers lies and propaganda got the libs over the line at the last election the way they are going one would think next time around they might struggle
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:23am
Yes Ollie but people like Retiring Well, who obviously is doing well, have no concerns about this current Coalition who lurch from one disaster to another.
The Care Bear.
24th Feb 2020
2:21pm
Ollie, is that anywhere near the Franklin River?
mogo51
20th Feb 2020
11:10am
So where was his statement on allowing Aged Pensioners to earn at least double the income they can earn now? Why it is such a crime for people on the Aged Pension, struggling to survive, to earn some extra money to live a decent standard of life????
When will both sides take a look at the major rort they have as Politicians in retirement and realise they are being totally hypocritical.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:11pm
I'd love to earn some extra - help out with the bills never-ending...
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
2:07pm
Hey Anonymous, with subsidising female superannuation over male superannuation, to 'earn' has got nothing to do with it.

Sorry, just a minor, make that a major, point.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
3:00pm
'Earning' is what you get for your hours of work... equal pay for equal work has been the norm for decades now. I'm talking about earning money - not copping some super bonus.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
3:04pm
The article in two places suggests superannuation adjustments for women over men.
Play Fairly
20th Feb 2020
6:27pm
The whole problem with our politicians is that none of them are willing to put the welfare of the Australian people before the interests of their own Political Party, their Party donors, and the best interests of themselves.

We know it, they know it, but still nothing changes. We regularly hear details of alleged roots, yet it just doesn't stop.

Meanwhile, our Newstart Recipients are still battling to survive on a mere pittance. What is wrong with our Government? Do they actually enjoy seeing people struggling and literally starving?
Triss
20th Feb 2020
11:14am
As he is one of the MPs who will get a huge lifetime pension plus a load of perks when he leaves parliament, his words would be a lot less smarmy if he stopped tinkering around the edges and gave the rest of Australians an as-of-right pension.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
2:13pm
Triss, does that mean you do not support the for 'women only' endeavours and proposals, to increase women's superannuation with a women's only superannuation subsidy, from taxation inputs. From taxation Inputs that are greater by men because men work more hours on the same hourly pay rates.

That ideology does not seem like 'equality'.
Triss
20th Feb 2020
9:12pm
Olde, I can’t see how your reply connects to my post for a universal pension.
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
7:11am
Really Triss. I'm not surprised.

And 'universal' should be the same for all. Not 52% receiving a taxpayer funded top up
Karen
22nd Feb 2020
6:56am
Is here a tax on men, as in Swedish idea?
B5YCK
20th Feb 2020
11:27am
Aged Care:
My wife who, because of Macular degeneration became totally blind, received from the government an aged care package (4) this was managed through Baptist Care and I became her carer.
Within that package was her personal care, house cleaning, and even lawnmowing, as I could not do this any llonger after a massive heart attack and my heart only functions for less than 25% now.
I did look after my wife for about 8 years and benefitted from some of those packages.
I had to give up looking after my wife as it became totally impossible with my heart deteriorating.
Since June my wife is in aged care in a good aged care facility which is very hard for us both being seperated after 52 years. To rub salt into the wounds all of her aged package benefits ceased and after being assessed, I am on the lowest package but have to wait as I am on a waiting list.
We are self funded retirees, but as I wanted my wife to have the best we could afford, there are not sufficient assets left for me to go into the same facility.
The system is totally out of step with reality. I also lost my measly carer's allowance. So I am not happy with the government and any one who can do something for anyone in a similar situation I will vote for them.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
11:50am
I am sorry about your situation. What about having live in help? Free rent for a pensioner that could help you and your wife around the home.It could be a win win situation for all.
tams
20th Feb 2020
2:39pm
Hello B5YCK,

Sorry to hear about your separation.

If you are self-funded, there are ways for you to join your wife if you want

Paul
tams
20th Feb 2020
2:39pm
Hello B5YCK,

Sorry to hear about your separation.

If you are self-funded, there are ways for you to join your wife if you want

Paul
Play Fairly
20th Feb 2020
6:09pm
This is so very wrong.  You both have been together for so long that separation at this time of your lives is just cruel. 

I can't see the fairness that your household package had to be reduced when your Wife went into care, either.  The same standard of cleaning etc. needs to be upheld in your household as you have concerning health issues yourself.

Would  your GP or Heart Specialist be willing to assist you to receive the proper assistance you deserve?.....and perhaps your Local Member may be able to help.   You have self funded your own retirement and that is something admirable.  Now you need some proper assistance,  I hope that there is someone who will 'go into bat' for you.
floss
20th Feb 2020
11:32am
About time Labor i am fed up with Morrison and his attitude to the less wealthy.
arbee
20th Feb 2020
1:11pm
And you believe mealy mouth Albaneasy, more fool you.
Retiring Well
20th Feb 2020
5:03pm
Albo isn't going to help the poor either.
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:27am
Well this lot in power certainly are not and won't in the future either.
hyperbole
21st Feb 2020
11:43am
and when Labor eventually get into power we will hear how bad they are LOL
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:13pm
Well arbee I am sick of being told how well this Coalition are managing the economy, just look at the stock market now, even NZ is way better off then us since the Coalition came to power, low wage growth, more unemployment, higher cost of living, scandals left right and centre, how can they say they are looking after us Aussies I don't know, maybe the top end of town but not too many others.
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
9:12pm
Yeah, Labor will fix the elderly!!!
As per Albo, "Labor would facilitate more intergenerational care where older and younger Australians could be cared for together." The continuously sick kids will regularly infect the elderly and ensure the latter die off early! Hey, the Budget will get fixed too!
Misty
21st Feb 2020
11:20pm
What are you going on about GeorgeM, Day Care centres do not allow sick children to attend and if it is a care facility like Aged Care then I am sure any sick person would be isolated, young and old.
Anonymous
22nd Feb 2020
5:15pm
You are dreaming Misty - child care centres are one of the biggest areas where kids pass diseases around! No one has been able to control that, as parents dump slightly sick children and run off to work. Albo is clueless and is just clutching for relevance.
P$cript
22nd Feb 2020
7:38pm
GeorgeM Albo might be clueless, but at least he had some.

I've heard more about age care centres shutdown because of disease than child care centres.
Misty
22nd Feb 2020
7:51pm
Don't agree with you GeorgeM , the childcare centres in my town send sick children home, they do not allow them to stay regardless if a parent is working or not, if you think Albo is clueless at least give him credit for thinking outside the box, even if you do not agree with him.
maelcolium
20th Feb 2020
11:35am
Who cares what Albo thinks. None of matters a damn unless the ALP can get their collective act together and win an election. On present form they are destined to be in opposition for a very long time. Amazing when you consider the Morrison Government is regarded as the worst since Menzies and they can't even manage to make an impression. . Maybe if he first owned up to the fact that the ALP froze Medciare rebates, expanded means testing on pensions, did nothing about increasing Newstart while in Government and effectively gave the LNP a carpet ride into power we might start listening. Meanwhile I wish he would shut the #$%^& up!
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
11:54am
Labor will get in no matter what Labor says. This Coalition Government is the most corrupt in Australian history.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:17pm
.. and chopped single mothers with no prospect of a job onto Newstart (Nostart)..and raised the pension age..... and St Julia cried when the party ditched her and then went on to lose the election....

I've said it before - unless and until Labor disavow themselves from the foolish internationalist nonsense about equality by enforced numbers and putting their social agenda before actually working for the people of this nation - they will never be a viable government even if elected.

You can see the writing on the wall already with their vague utterances about 'balancing' 'outcomes' in certain (non) issues... things that cannot be forced since they are strictly the outcomes of things that people directly choose.
Sceptic
20th Feb 2020
3:14pm
Jackie, I have a real problem when people through the word corrupt around about individuals or organisations while hiding behind their anonymity and without any stated support for their accusation. You do realise that it could be said that you are guilty of slander.
Sceptic
20th Feb 2020
3:15pm
That should be, throw the word corrupt.
Triss
20th Feb 2020
9:19pm
Isn’t it libel if it is written, Sceptic? Also Jackie is entitled by law to her opinions, she just missed IMO off.
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
10:55pm
Sceptic, here is a link providing information about the corruption done by this Government. It's not Murdoch propaganda too.


https://newpolitics.com.au/2020/02/20/a-short-history-of-corruption/?fbclid=IwAR18wqOIezmjDRIjozRHfvMzGZbCltPpuIeIhNykE8g6yYlh32vVwogkFXU
sanity
20th Feb 2020
11:39am
Typical left wing labour diatribe.
They couldn't be trusted in May 2019 - still will not be trusted in 2022.
If any Govt left the basics of retirement (superannuation - contributed to by businesses must be sustainable), pension entitlements left as a % of minimum wage, deeming kept at the real interest level, health care provided through the SHCC and Pension cards, etc then most people would be happy.
Being able to trust that the rules today which enable people to build their retirement funds as best they can, without concern that a change of Govt will ensure a change of rules would be a huge step in a better life at the end of your "whatever" years are left.
NO labour Govt will ever understand this security.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:18pm
.. carers paid a second pension to cover the direct costs and the self-medication costs...
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:31am
Sanity, Labor is spelt this way, not the way you have spelt it.
fred
20th Feb 2020
11:39am
No mention of an increase in pensions to lift those who need it out of poverty.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:19pm
Well, no - Labor's stance is to put up a front of broad benefit for the people - but without entering into specifics that will then require to be met if elected...
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:33am
Anonymous, the next election is years away, Labor does not have to announce any policies or details of such at this time.
jaycee1
21st Feb 2020
8:45am
Misty,
Labour is spelt both ways. With or without the 'u, ' it all depends on where you were born as to how you spell it.
Labor = American spelling
Labour = British spelling
Misty
21st Feb 2020
10:37am
Jaycee I know that, but when you are referring to the Australian Labor Party, which this post is about, then Labor is spelt without the "u".
hyperbole
21st Feb 2020
11:44am
In Britain it is the Labour Party in Oz it is Labor!
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:07pm
The American Labor Party, started in the 1930's, was only a short lived party, no longer around.
Horace Cope
20th Feb 2020
11:41am
Typical Polly Waffle. Nice set of words but no substance. How will the policies be implemented and what will be the cost. The lack of employment opportunities for older Australians has been discussed in this forum many times before and there has been some consensus in that ageism is alive and well but almost impossible to prove. Retraining won't stop ageism and won't change a lack of experience.

What is Labor going to do about the superannuation balance between men and women apart from having a look at it? Plibersek wants a government to pay women suoer who aren't employed as a subsidy. McManus from the ACTU wants women to be paid 15% super to address the imbalance. Funny how women want equality in some things but not others.

The intergenerational care is a thought bubble after watching a carefully edited TV program. Under the current laws, all of those seniors will need to pass a Working with Children police check before they can intermix. What about those seniors with dementia who are liable to become violent without warning. This scheme is best left on TV.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:23pm
The surge is on for universal 15% super... so really that 'policy idea' is just peeing into the wind and making noises to keep their chosen constituents happy...

As before - if you pay one social group who are not working a subsidy for their super - you then have to pay all who are not working a subsidy into super... the unemployed would have a basic amount lodged every fortnight or whatever, and so would pensioners...

Funny how McManus and Plibersek don't see that taking 15% from women;s pay is going to leave them with less in the hand. I take it the idea is that 'someone' (meaning you the taxpayer) MUST fund the extra for women - I'm sure that will make Ms Fallick happy with her current super - if the government decided to pay her extra into it...

A stupid and hot air idea.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:23pm
What if they forget the kid on the bus?
Elizzy
20th Feb 2020
8:26pm
Isn't the super subsidy idea for women something to do with the imbalance caused by women being out of the workforce for years to have and raise children and then often becoming a carer for aging or sick parents? Women are increasingly facing poverty in retirement. No Australian, man or woman should struggle with that and it is clear that a change is needed. The only equality we should be talking about is an equal right for all to affordable and safe shelter, food, medical care, and care when you are no longer able to look after yourself.
jaycee1
21st Feb 2020
8:55am
Nothing said about the Lib plan to put ALL pensioners on the Indue card.
Does that mean Labour supports that plan?

I will not be voting for ANY party that supports putting people on Indue cards!
This was meant to be a voluntary programme that applied only to drug addicts, alcoholics and gamblers - But it has, somehow, become compulsory with NO consultation whatsoever. People on this card are being abused left, right and center as everyone else is assuming that they are druggies etc.
Why is Indue being paid up to $12000, per CARD, when the government says it can not afford to give 'Welfare" people a rise?
Legislation before parliament now paves the way for this card to be rolled out Nationally and it will include those on Age Pension - even if you only get a part pension.

20th Feb 2020
11:42am
Governments should be driving the cost of living down so Australians can live on one income. Mothers could able to stay home to care for children and cook proper meals for them.

The elderly could live with adult children and take care of grandchildren instead of looking for work or living in nursing homes.

Governments should focus on bringing families back together and stop relying on Imports from China, depending on Chinese to boost our economy through buying up property markets and University degrees. The money Chinese tourists spend goes back to China because they use Chinese owned business in Australia

Australians should review their values too. Are Botox, cosmetic surgeries, tattoos, hair extensions, nail salon visits, several cars per household and frequent overseas trips really necessary?
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:24pm
Bravo!
KSS
20th Feb 2020
1:26pm
"Governments should be driving the cost of living down so Australians can live on one income. Mothers could able to stay home to care for children and cook proper meals for them.

The elderly could live with adult children and take care of grandchildren instead of looking for work or living in nursing homes."


In other words Jackie, bring back the 1950s.
Elizzy
20th Feb 2020
8:33pm
Well said. It's not a case of bringing back the 1950s but one of what principles and values do we want to underpin society. I agree with Blinky below: how about an Irish-syle citizens' assembly to discuss what Australian citizens want for everything that comes under the label of what we might call 'social welfare' . All the rest is typical Australian political tinkering around the edges.
jaycee1
21st Feb 2020
9:01am
Jackie,
When walking my dogs I am amazed at how many homes have 2 or more cars. There is one house that has 6 people living in it and they all have a car - 4 of which they park on the footpath as they have no room in their driveway.
I know a young woman who keeps complaining about not having enough money for bills [frequently doesn't have her mobile phone connected] but still manages to get her nails done every fortnight!
Amazes me what they think it important these days.
hyperbole
21st Feb 2020
11:49am
when I look around my area I see the same thing Jaycee1....people are mixing up 'wants' with 'needs'.

if I was in dire circumstances I know exactly how I would get out of debt if I was one of these so called Millenials. For a start, stop buying the $5 coffee on the way to work, make your own lunch and cut back on the expensive shoes and handbags. for goodness sake what idiot spends $1000 on a pair of shoes or for that matter a handbag. Overseas holidays on credit every year...really...is that a necessity! It will be no wonder they cannot afford a home let alone have any money when retirement comes around.
Arvo
20th Feb 2020
11:42am
Labor ! They took away pensioner dental plan when they were in government and now they plan to bring it back in...What a load of unintelligent pack of political hyenas they are. The Labor Party and the Liberal Party should rot like the pensioner's teeth that haven't been able to afford proper dental care for more than last ten years.
Blinky
20th Feb 2020
11:56am
Labor THINK they can fix the retirement problem, but none of what Albanede is saying will fix it.
Neither Labor nor the Libs are interested in pensioners, "The forgotten kind."
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:03pm
Since when has the Lib/Lab land of Australia been a democracy? Never. As a matter of fact this extremist right wing Government has all the hallmarks of a dictatorship.

Buy some toothpaste for sensitive teeth, use whole cloves to numb tooth pain and go to Bali to get your teeth done cheaply.
Arvo
20th Feb 2020
12:10pm
Stuff Bali!!
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:25pm
.. super-glued a front cap back for years - finally swallowed it and had to get it fixed - the guv paid the bill...
Blinky
20th Feb 2020
11:53am
None of this will fix the problem. There should be a task force made up of pensioners and pollies to discuss ways to improve the pension system which should be fixed by:
A. Increasing the asset test, which is ridiculously low.
B. Increasing the income test, which is also way too low and does not entice retired people to work I.e. it's not worth it!
C. If they did not wish to increase the asset test, then exempt the first $ 200.000 from the super balance from the asset test. Currently, Because the asset test is so low, you get a lesser pension (part pension) as you can easily go over the threshold, I.e. you are punished if you have a little super.
D. NEVER include the primary home in the asset test. Leave pensioners enjoy the fruit of their work.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:26pm
You are correct, Blinky, in bringing the issue to RETIREES as opposed to one group of retirees.
Mariner
20th Feb 2020
9:28pm
TREBOR - how are you always turning Anonymous after just a short time?
abundanced
20th Feb 2020
11:58am
I've been a Liberal voter for many years but I'm not happy with Morrison's leadership and the policies in general. I think it's pathetic the way you can't earn as much as you like without being taxed once you hit retirement age. Let's face it, unfortunately there are a lot of us out of the race by retirement age anyway. It would take some pressure off Centrelink as well so that the people that are genuinely needy are taken care of. My concern with Labor is them opening the flood gates again for immigration and allowing those "boats" once again. There's too much going on in this world to allow that to happen - diseases, terrorism etc.
On a different note, I'd like to see a like button introduced to the contributors to these comments as I agree with a lot of them.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:11pm
We are being flooded with illegal immigrants by plane. It’s cheaper and easier for them than boat.

Albanese is clutching at straws and thinks Labor lost because the elderly vote Liberal. If he got in he could not fix the damage done by the Coalition.

They have literally sold Australia off to corporations who are running the globe. Governments are their puppets not our servants since the 80s.
KSS
20th Feb 2020
1:28pm
abundanced, if you could earn as much as you like, why would you need the pension?
abundanced
20th Feb 2020
1:46pm
KSS, not everyone earns an income the likes of doctors and lawyers. Some of us might only want to work a few days a week on a low-earning job or career (full-time if you're able, part-time if not), and some of us may only be capable of working one day a week. In other words, it depends on your circumstances.
Horace Cope
20th Feb 2020
2:29pm
Wrong again, jackie, those who come by plane are not illegal immigrants. They have a passport, visa and proof of identity.
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
6:37pm
Horace Cope, here is my resource about planes and illegal immigrants.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/nearly-100-000-asylum-seekers-have-arrived-by-plane-to-australia-in-the-past-five-years
Veritas
20th Feb 2020
12:07pm
The current policy assumes people over the age of 60 are useless. For many, this is not true:


"According to data from The World Bank, retirees in the six countries with the largest pension systems are living between eight and 11 years longer – and a massive 16 years longer in Japan.


If those on an aged pension were allowed to work and earn a determined wage in excess of what it is now without penalty, imagine the boost to the economy.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:14pm
The elderly living long in those countries are because they have a free health system which our Coalition Government has been trying to destroy.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:27pm
Looking at the ability of some here, I wouldn't say they were useless by a long shot... that is a great avatar...

20th Feb 2020
12:08pm
"the superannuation balance between men and women, aged care, intergenerational care, retraining to help over-55s stay in the workforce and a pensioner dental plan."

Can't fix any imbalance in anyone's super with others without active discrimination, which is illegal under Law. What EXACTLY is Labor proposing?

Aged Care is a mess - privatised always does that to any sector, when profit overtakes duty of care and simple duty.

Intergenerational Care - a restoration of families taking some of the 'burden' of those who built them in the first place?

Re-training over 55s in a job market that generally rejects them... well - improving the job market first would be better. How do you prove discrimination by prospective employers?

Dental care program - always been a card waiting to be played by someone... long overdue.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
3:02pm
Highly applauded.. what a tremendous contributor.. what a man.. what a hero.. good old Anonymous - where would we all be without him?
Meg
20th Feb 2020
12:09pm
How many times does it have to be said...retraining for older Australians is a WASTE OF TIME, unless you mandate that employers hire older workers. How do you explain that so much of an experienced and wiser cohort got put on the shelf in the first place? It is the abysmal bias of Australian employers towards older people that is the problem.
Veritas
20th Feb 2020
12:25pm
And yet when it comes to volunteers on New Start 'working' at the wage- theft rate of $16.32 per hour when the minimum is $19.49; this government has NO problem with it. Many volunteers keep the organization they 'work' for viable and are a valuable asset. Where the disconnect between employers and volunteer workers came about, I do not know. I suspect if the hourly rate was raised to match that of other workers, the term 'volunteer changed to accredited 'work experience' the playing field would change for the better.
RosePerth
20th Feb 2020
12:29pm
I couldn't agree more Meg. The majority of HR departments have 20 or 30+ young things deciding who will be interviewed and who won't and anyone over 45 to 50 barely gets a look in. I'm 77 and still working 3 days a week but I'm lucky. I've been in my job for over 30 years and it was easier for my employer to bring me back after retirement than train someone else. However, that being said, even my employer does not generally hire older people.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:29pm
Am seriously out of pocket doing fire relief work myself... and not due for that medal either, though I got a response from some Minister I've never heard of about my post to the PM back in December about a medal for the heroes. Scotty also pledged to buy the water bombers..... I don't have to form a fundraiser now to do just that as recommended by Greg Mullins, NSW Fire boss, two years ago.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:30pm
How many 60- year olds are fast thinkers and movers? The mind and body does slow down for everyone. I experience it at the gym where I train with young people. My body works twice as hard to keep up with them.

The retirement age should be 60. This could free up a shrinking job market for younger workers.

Labor should buy back all privatised assets and take control of Governing again.
KSS
20th Feb 2020
1:33pm
Jackie, how many over 60s are NOT fast thinkers and movers?

being 60 today is not like being 60 when your grandmother was 60. 60 these days is middle aged NOT old and NOT elderly. The majority have at least another 20 years of quality life.

You simply can't generalise your personal anecdotes into the entire over 60 population.
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:44am
Well jackie America obviously does not agree with your views on age, look at the ages of some of the Presedential candidates, 70 and over and Trump is over 70 although that being said Trump is enough to put anyone off voting for older people.
jaycee1
21st Feb 2020
9:18am
Jackie,
I resent your comment about 60 year old not being fast movers or thinkers.
I am 68, only retired due to an accident which made it nonviable for me to work full time. Wanted to work part time but due to the nature of my job was not able to do so.
But, my point is, when I was working it involved a lot of computer work - if anything went wrong with the computers or the others needed help I was the one they came to for that help.
My job was NOT in the IT part of the office but administration. People still came to me for help because I still had ALL my marbles clunking around in my head and while not an expert I picked up computer related things easily.
Intelligence is something you are born with and unless you get an illness like dementia you have it for the rest of your life!!!!
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
6:50pm
jaycee1, you can never compete with a forty-year-old mentally and physically let alone anyone that's younger. Accept the aging process instead of living in denial.
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
6:58pm
Misty, Trump is an appalling example of an old working person. He hasn't even fixed up the economy.

All he does is lie and bluff his obese orange self on social media. At 70 one is supposed to be wiser and accept their limitations.
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
10:46pm
KSS, most of us had been productive and valuable workers. The last company I worked for didn't want me to retire and offered me part-time work which I refused. I am still welcome back there if I should change my mind.

My Super company was horrified when I closed my account, they thought that I would continue working. They advised me one of their clients is 80, still works and is well off.

There is so much more to life than slaving away to make someone else richer. Governments don't want to pay pensions that's the reason people are getting younger despite not getting work.
Lescol
20th Feb 2020
12:21pm
For a slow news day; introduce a universal pension for aged persons - - non means tested So simple eh? cheers
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
12:30pm
Nah - SOP here is to start a fight between women and men.... and then blame men for it all.
Meg
20th Feb 2020
12:34pm
That's how it is in the United States where social security is based on having worked at least 10 years and contributed to the system....no penalty for those who saved or those who have more than others. We could only dream.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
2:04pm
Anonymous, men ARE to blame. I haven't figured out why. But 'figuring out' why is irrelevant and unnecessary.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
3:03pm
According to feminist theology, men are to blame for everything, even the clothes they stand up in..... oh - I guess they forgot about that....
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
7:01pm
Lescol, New Zealand has a Universal Pension but its a lot lower than Australia's.

That would mean poor taxpayers would have more poverty for you to be more well off.

How fair is that?
KSS
20th Feb 2020
1:20pm
So now we have Labor policy being made on the back of a TV show!

And all you demanding a raise in the allowable earning whilst taking the age pension, surely if Mr Albonese is genuine, there will be no need for the pension as you will all still be in work because he will guarrantee change in workplace culture and send you back to school for re-education. And of course those of you identifying a a woman are going to get special consideration with your super too.

A real Utopian paradise clearly awaits. Just hang on for a couple more years, the election is coming!

PS: No mention of costs, timeframe to implementation, how these will be implemented or even evidence that these changes are feasible. Free access for all apparently, from toddler to the grave!

20th Feb 2020
1:30pm
well here we go again; Labour profounds their basic principal of go 'identity' driven to divide our Society further eg: the following quotations
1. "the superannuation balance between men and women"

2. " A Labor government would also try to improve the superannuation imbalance between men and women, with women retiring with about half the average super of men".

Whatever, it does not matter who you are if you are paid the same per hourly rate and work the same number of hours you accumulate the same amount of superannuation. How a man is supposed to work next to a person who receives the same pay for the same job. but somehow HE misses out on a superannuation subsidy given to the person working next to him.

The man also needs to take into account the the education framework has already been tilted against him , demonstrated by University entrance and graduation results favouring women by around 62% for women and 48% for men, and continuing to expand. The man failing to achieve equality in gaining University entrance and exit and subsequent job opportunities, then has to confront that his alternatives such as for example the trades, or Federal, State, and Local Government, employment will have quotas or formal preference agendas to focus on employment of women. Make no mistake our white males in 20 years time will be nothing greater than inferior humans of inconsequential existence. That inconsequential existence is already developing from Socially implanted seeding, and we do not need any more of the same.

The point being that i believe that unfortunately Labour will win the next election. In any regard the Liberals/Nationals will go down the same path through temerity when it comes to backbone.

The authorised discrimination, misuse of the term 'diversity', and temerity against white men only, will continue despite how blatant the misrepresented arguments, without any balance, are continued. apart from advancement, purely of women, the present Social, and above approaches, is a source of entertainment for present day women.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
1:40pm
It should also be noted that that overall men pay greater amounts of taxation than women because men work more hours than women. So men via taxation will be contributing significantly more than women to the superannuation subsidy for women. Really. Absolutely absurd. Can anyone identify a more absolute situation of inequality.

Think of grandsons in 20 years time. Subservience comes to mind.
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
2:01pm
And sorry, as a usual white male I have made a mistake. Male University entrance and graduation portion is only 38% compared to the female rate of 62%. My earlier 48% above, is a slip of the typing finger (on a computer even). A woman would never make such an error.
Elizzy
20th Feb 2020
10:15pm
Olde. You won't have grandchildren unless a woman has them and probably cares for them for a few years! And sacrifices super in the process and then gets a low paid part time job so she can be home when the small ones come back from school...
Anonymous
21st Feb 2020
7:16am
Yep Elizzy and you won't have a man that doesn't work straight for 40+ years, basically for family and children.

Of course all this is subject to the man, upon separation, receiving around 30% of accumulated assets.

And because women provide the pregnancy does that give them the right of 'ownership'.
Tarabelle
20th Feb 2020
1:53pm
I do not believe ONE WORD.
BillF2
20th Feb 2020
2:06pm
Long on rhetoric and short on detail. A press the right buttons exercise to ensure Anthony Albanese continues to have a job after the next election - a job for which he does not have to retrain. Unfortunately in the world of politics sympathy for, or empathy with, retirees and pensioners disappears the day after the election and the 'grey masters' behind the pollies tell them what they can have. As there is no honesty or integrity in the political system, how can one believe in any utopian scheme whichever party promotes it? It has never happened to now, and never will - unless someone is making a big quid out of it.
Retiring Well
20th Feb 2020
2:20pm
Nothing in it for me at all.
Londongal
20th Feb 2020
3:05pm
I'm working and aged 66 - am I supposed to stop working and go on the pension? I don't want to go on the pension now
Retiring Well
20th Feb 2020
5:07pm
I'm will past 66 and still working as well. I doubt I'll ever retire.

20th Feb 2020
3:37pm
Hey here we go again. A recommended policy process (2 occasions in the article) where 'equality' will be circumvented in favour of women. Isn't that a Social habit these days

For working same legislated hourly pay rate, for the same hours, superannuation for men and women would be the same. But this article proposes that women receive additional subsidised superannuation because they accumulate less superannuation because they work less hours.

If women worked equal hours to men they would accumulate identical superannuation amounts.

Foe Labour (and Libs/Nationals() you would be better respected to avoid gender based ideology.

I'll work on asking women to do the same. But flagging the victim mentality is so successful for women that I face a significant challenge
Karen
23rd Feb 2020
12:23am
Pay everyone same as in Soviet Russia? Then no problem with superannuation balance and income. I do not recommend this... only asking.

This is what this means at the bottom. Pay everyone same for any work does not work.
Socdemtory
20th Feb 2020
4:36pm
How could you possibility trust Labor? They thought they were a certainty last May and decided to belt the over 65 demographic to finance their mad green schemes and they got exactly what they deserved. Long may Scomo reign because Albo and his inner city elitist cronies would destroy our standard of living and really make us the "poor white trash of Asia"
Retiring Well
20th Feb 2020
5:06pm
Well said. There was no way Labor was not going to win the last election and I told everyone so for weeks and got laughed at. They will lose the next one too if they keep up with all their insane policies.
Mariner
20th Feb 2020
5:46pm
ALP has to abandon socialism to be relevant to Aussies.
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:53am
ALP just has to make sure there are no Clive Palmer's around and Michalea Cash's making absurd claims like, "Labor is coming after your Utes', funny that, the thing is that now the Coalitiion is all for electric cars, especially now Holden has pulled the plug.
Karen
23rd Feb 2020
12:24am
Mariner is so correct.
Fitza
20th Feb 2020
6:53pm
A universal aged pension is the No.1 policy for the ALP and it must be paid once you hit the official retirement age, regardless of whether you are working, or not.
This way, we remove Centrelink from the equation and only answer to the ATO.
Lescol
20th Feb 2020
6:56pm
I hope this is their number 1 policy Fitza but I've yet o have that confirmed. It certainly needs to be the #1 policy! cheers
Anonymous
20th Feb 2020
8:04pm
Are you serious? Never heard that! ALP is the biggest anti-retiree party who brought in means testing (both Assets Tests and Income Deeming tests by Keating), increased women's pension age to 65 from 60 (Keating) and increased pension age to 67 (Rudd / Swan)! They also refused to roll back the nasty Assets Test changes from Jan 2017, otherwise they would have won the 2016 election! Catch them changing their stripes!

However, I agree with your suggestion, as I have often said, for Universal Age Pension from Age 65 with no tests except Residency (say 15 yrs), and removing Centrelink from the admin as ATO can handle it very simply after one application form. Hope you put in a submission to the Retirement Income Review, the first in over 20+ years.
Mariner
21st Feb 2020
3:38pm
GeorgeM - good recall about what happened with the asset and income testing. People seem to forget and just blame the current Govt.
Fitza's words in God's ear I hope but I just cannot see that happening. Too much common sense involved!
Florgan
20th Feb 2020
9:51pm
The only way I would be impressed with labour would be if they laid out their plans for all to see and exactly how they could implement them for the betterment of all Australians.
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:55am
Labor is not in government, the next election is years away and Labor does not need to announce any policies or costings until then.
Misty
21st Feb 2020
12:56am
The Australian Labor Party does not have a "U" in the spelling.
Dragrush
21st Feb 2020
1:13am
Seems to me that the Labor policy peaple are trying suck us older folk in again with all the drivel about jobs and trhe economy ....Both sides are inept at making things right for us . I just found out today my doctors medical centre is dumping bulk billing and is blaming Medicare for not increasing the rebate . We pensioners at this centre will now be paying $10 -$20 more for our essential visits and no one cares. As for working again I would love to do that but who would employ a 77 yr old "has been".......even Centre-link doesn't want to know you. I say stuff the lot of them....they are all liars and cheats . Dragrush
Misty
21st Feb 2020
10:41am
Some are just worse then others Dragrush.
Karen
23rd Feb 2020
12:26am
Doctor mine says I think $78 for visit, or bulk bill... big difference.
Teacher
21st Feb 2020
11:51am
I most definitely think Labor is on the right track regarding jobs for older people. However, some over-riding rules and regulations such as having to have had a previous 12 months' practical experience in the workplace when applying for a job makes way only for those practically just out of Uni or TAFE. Apparently RPL (recognition of prior learning) doesn't count for employment after 5 years (the limit your quals. will be accepted), only for applying for being trained. What about the experience that has been gleaned over the years before having the babies (in the case of women) and then trying to get back into the workforce with a qualification the same in content as currently available, but gained more than 5 years back when the actual training time was double wht it is today and you had a human teacher in the room to answer all your questions - not having to learn how to do it by computer. We are missing out on a wealth of talented and experienced workplace people by this, not to mention again the 'experienced' bit.
Labor should be looking at making retraining available to older people, subsidising fees (which they may not want to do) and providing incentives to prospective employers for people over a certain age. If Labor already do something like this then I haven't heard about it or they need to enhance it and advertise it more.
Karen
23rd Feb 2020
12:28am
It takes no time for an able person with qualification to catch up after break. Women should not be having to accept this for doing right thing for family.
Teacher
21st Feb 2020
11:51am
I most definitely think Labor is on the right track regarding jobs for older people. However, some over-riding rules and regulations such as having to have had a previous 12 months' practical experience in the workplace when applying for a job makes way only for those practically just out of Uni or TAFE. Apparently RPL (recognition of prior learning) doesn't count for employment after 5 years (the limit your quals. will be accepted), only for applying for being trained. What about the experience that has been gleaned over the years before having the babies (in the case of women) and then trying to get back into the workforce with a qualification the same in content as currently available, but gained more than 5 years back when the actual training time was double wht it is today and you had a human teacher in the room to answer all your questions - not having to learn how to do it by computer. We are missing out on a wealth of talented and experienced workplace people by this, not to mention again the 'experienced' bit.
Labor should be looking at making retraining available to older people, subsidising fees (which they may not want to do) and providing incentives to prospective employers for people over a certain age. If Labor already do something like this then I haven't heard about it or they need to enhance it and advertise it more.
SuziJ
21st Feb 2020
12:12pm
The only way I'd vote Labor is if they 'promise' to increase our pensions by $150 per week for a single person, and $50 per week for a 'couple'. Until this happens, I'll keep voting the way I am (and it's not LNP).
Mariner
21st Feb 2020
3:45pm
Why that discrimination SuziJ? Just because you are single you need an extra $150 and we as a couple have to cop it with $50? We should all the treated the same as we have paid taxes as singles. We are not joined at the hip and we have mostly different interests. I am sure you are not staying home, knitting and listening to the wireless like our grannies did. If so the single pension is enough. Remember the Old Age Pension did not include driving a late model car to get around from club to club as is the case in my neighborhood.
Mez
21st Feb 2020
4:42pm
This is where I agree with ALP but not with their proposed high taxes to fund it all and reason therefore for their carbon taxes based on INCORRECT doctored data by their leftist so called experts.
Misty
21st Feb 2020
6:17pm
Just like the doctored document from Angus Taylor's office.
P$cript
22nd Feb 2020
8:17pm
Slight correction required, there has never been a carbon tax, Labor had a market bases carbon price.


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