Help Australia’s bushfire victims without making a big deal of it

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Australia is burning.

More than 200 fires are still blazing on millions of hectares across the country.

The human death toll has hit 23. Six people are missing.

More than half a billion animals are dead.

Hundreds of homes have been razed.

During this time, our Prime Minister found time for a family holiday and his office created a political advertisement lauding the government’s response and assistance to fire-ravaged communities.

Former prime minister John Howard has praised Prime Minister Scott Morrison for his handling of a very difficult crisis.

This is the same leader who initially said he wouldn’t financially support our volunteer firefighters because they wanted to be there.

Still, Mr Howard says it’s time for us to move on from the PM’s ill-timed family holiday and work together during this crisis.

“It’s obviously an incredibly difficult time for the country,” Mr Howard told the Herald Sun.

“I don’t think he’s interested in the next opinion poll, if you want my opinion, I think what he wants to do now is make certain all of the responses are the right ones. In a federation like Australia, working closely with the states is the most important requirement a federal government has.”

Another former PM, Kevin Rudd, has slammed Mr Morrison for turning a time of crisis into a political advertisement, saying the PM is no longer fit to lead the country.

“For God’s sake! On a day we have catastrophic fire conditions, in the midst of a genuine national crisis, Morrison, the marketing guy, does what? He releases a Liberal Party ad! He is no longer fit to hold the high office of prime minister,” Mr Rudd said on Twitter.

Mr Morrison has defended his actions, saying he was simply providing information the public had been seeking on the government’s response.

“The postings that we’ve made in messages have been to inform the community about what the commonwealth government is doing,” he said.

“Let me assure Australians, the purpose is to communicate as simply and helpfully as we possibly can about what the government is doing to get resources to get support to those places that need it.

“And over analysis of these things can create unnecessary anxiety and we’re simply seeking to help people know what we’re doing.”

The government has sent HMAS Adelaide to help evacuation efforts from towns on the Victorian coast, has called up 3000 army reservists to assist in extraction and recovery and put $20 million towards leasing four more water-bombing aircraft.

The PM has been accused of political grandstanding and, according to Neil James from the Australian Defence Association, politicising the defence force.

“The intention of the ad (video), exemplified by its nature & the speed of its production, is a clear breach of the non-partisanship convention,” he said.

“It is also completely unnecessary given the prior departmental and ministerial media releases publicly explaining ADF support to rural fire services.”

Former premier of Victoria Steve Bracks also chimed in on the video.

“Wow. It is hard to go much lower than advertisements spruiking the Federal Governments response in the middle of the Nations bushfire crisis,” he tweeted.

Regardless of public and political opinion, the government has come to the party with valuable assistance. And support has come from far and wide. Australians are banding together to provide food, shelter, clothing and assistance. Celebrities have also generously donated millions in financial aid.

You can help Australia’s bushfire victims through the following outlets.

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    The trouble with all this is that he is damned if he does and ( on this left leaning site ) if he doesn’t. People were calling for the army to be called in previously, but under states rights this can only be done if the state calls for it and none of them have, in fact have said they have the resources necessary. Morrison has now gone against that convention and sent them in but still gets slammed. There are other state ministers on holiday but not much gets said. I could go on but won’t, can’t wait for all the old commies on here to slam me.

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      The Hawaii holiday was booked before the fires started and the PM has a young family. Like all other working Australians, he is entitled to some time off. I note that the Premiers of both Queensland and Victoria were also away on holidays but there was no mention of this in the media. As fire fighting is a state matter maybe more should have been made of their absence. The media has also criticised the PM for stating the obvious that fire fighting is a state matter as well as not telling Fitzsimmons that the ADF was being called in. He advised the Premier who apparently didn’t get around to telling her fire chief yet somehow it’s all Morrison’s fault.

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      Commies? So, if people do not agree with you they are communists?
      I think you will find many who voted for him are also angry and that is how they feel and you cannot judge unless you are also homeless from the fires.
      Emotions are running high and it is distressing enough watching it unfold let alone being one of the victims.
      This government is owned by the likes of Palmer which makes it hard for them to do the right thing.

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      There you go again, Paddington, making sweeping generalisations without any substance. Who are the many who voted for him that live in the electorate of Cook that are angry? Why do I have to have my home burn down before I can offer a comment? Your comment about Palmer is, as usual, wrong and what is the “right thing” that you claim that the government has not done?

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      Bazza51, Horace Cope, I agree with your comments. Reasonable and educated people understand how the Federal, State, Local Government and ADF system of protocols and chain of command operates.Unfortunately, deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas, don’t.

      Many leading politicians took holiday leave during the summer break including the Labor Premier of QLD who went on an ocean cruise while part of QLD was burning but, there was no outrage against her.

      It is also very disappointing that a national crisis brings out the worst and nasty side of people’s character. These characters, in my opinion, are not the real Australians, that we admire and respect.

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      Yes Horace, What do the critics of Scomo want? He is doing what he can. What is expected of him? He is not responsible for the fires or the tackling of them, he can only offer support.
      He has no magical powers that some critics seem to think he has.

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      HC, yeah there I go again lol. I doubt people will own up to voting for ScoMo at the moment but they must have as there he stands. Of all the people who have suffered loss at least half have voted directly or indirectly for the LNP. Where does it say above that it refers to one place? Fires have happened around the country.
      Bazza made the comment about commies so that does not refer to you.
      Palmer needs to be rewarded for helping the LNP get back in. No doubt about that!
      What has this government not done? Let me see, I will pick one.
      They have failed to address climate change and continue to do so!

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      I say damn him anyway – those water bombers could have been in the pipeline (sic) weeks ago – we’ve been struggling with fires for four months now… people are dying, and animals, in fires that should have been water bombed at their start.

      NSW East Coast:-

      https://www.rfs.
      sw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me

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      Horace, Cope, your biased views have led you yet again to tell an untruth, We live close to the area where the fires started and we have a note in our diary dated 15 September 2019 stating “over the last few days the dense smoke from the bushfires have shrouded the nearby hills.” This soon became an emergency in which many houses were destroyed and two people were killed and it only got worse from then onwards. This was a clear three months before the PM’s hokiday. Morrison stated on his return from Hawaii that he booked the holiday six weeks before departure. You clearly distorted the truth to suit your own political views.

      When a PM needs the support of one of the architects of one of the world’s other ongoing human disasters in the Middle East leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the displacement of millions yet still fails to take responsibility for the refugees so created, you know the PM is in trouble.

      We expect servicemen and firefighters to put their country ahead of family and they do so routinely and with little reward. The very least we can expect of a man who claims a mandate to lead the country as PM is to do the same. That he doesnt understand the role and responsibility he has accepted raises serious questions about the PM’s judgement. He ‘can’t hold a hose’ he claims, this is the man who tells the unemployed “those who have go get a go.” What a hypocrite! Its amazing what you can do when you take your hands out of your pockets. I’ve been holding a fire hose since the firs started and I’m in my seventies.
      This is an 11.59 PM, one more slip and its midnight for his political career.

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      So many fools talking about stuff they know nought about. Fools saying we should have more water bombers – completely at odds to what our fire chiefs say. Too many in the air and it is just a recipe for disaster plus the lack of personnel trained to service them.
      I don’t mind admitting that I didn’t vote for the Libs or Nats but by the same token no way would I have voted for Labor (gave up on them many years ago) or the Greens, BUT I will say my preferences were directed toward the LNP and I stand by what Morrison has done.
      So many people show their ignorance by saying Scomo should have done this with ADF and he should have done that but they are obviously ignorant of the protocols.

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      Sorry Paddington, I thought you would know that the only people who can vote for Morrison are those in the electorate of Cook. This is not America where the whole country votes to choose their leader. By the way, only those in Queensland can vote for the LNP, in all other states and territories voters can choose to vote for Liberal or National candidates if they choose to vote for conservatives.

      Australia is taking a strong, credible and responsible commitment to the Paris climate change conference and will reduce emissions to 26-28 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030. This target represents a 50-52 per cent reduction in emissions per capita and a 64-65 per cent reduction in the emissions intensity of the economy between 2005 and 2030.

      The target is a fair contribution for Australia. When expressed against a common base year of 2005, Australia’s target is similar to those announced by the United States, the European Union, Canada, New Zealand and Japan. On a reduction in per person and emissions intensity basis, our target will exceed those of the United States, Japan, the European Union, Korea, and Canada.

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      In reply to Trebor

      I do wish you people availed yourselves of the facts in regard to these water bombers!
      These planes were being used in their own fires and had to be checked and serviced before they could go anywhere!
      They are now coming to us – this pathetic blame game fair gives me the irrits – our PM is not to blame for anything – if you want to lay blame then aim it at the Green Polices that have been adopted by Councils and State Gov’s.

      And best of all guess who locked up the Parks in NSW – bloody Bob Carr!!!!!

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      **straight up the guts** ‘old commie’ here – man of the people and such …. I said long ago – at the Lindt cafe stuff, that the Federal government could not intervene unless requested by the states… so calls for 2nd Commando (now our counter-terrorism group)to be involved were of no meaning until such time as the state said they were unable to control the situation.

      When you are correct in your basics – why do you have a need to finger-point at others who may disagree? Attack the message not the messenger.

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      Bridgit – I assume then that covers the statement from Greg Mullins that quite a number of these aircraft were in mothballs. He is no fool – I vaguely knew him when he was a district Officer in the NSWFB, years ago.

      ““Our Prime Minister should be on the phone to Justin Trudeau from Canada right now saying ‘Justin, we need 20 or more of your water-scooping purpose build water bombers that are in mothballs during your winter. Get them down here. Can you get them here in five days?” Mr Mullins told ABC radio Sydney.”

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      P.S. *blushes* I knew his sister for some twelve years… rarely met him.

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      Spot on Bazza51, the states are to blame.
      Scomo done what he had to do, everyone is entitled to have a holiday too.

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      When our whole country is in a state of emergrncy I expect our PM to take control, and if that means overiding the states then so be it.

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      Arvo calls those who think that the Prime minister has shown a distinct lack of leadership in this crisis “deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas”. He then states that ”it is also very disappointing that a national crisis brings out the worst and nasty side of people’s character”. Wow!
      Bazza 51 “‘can’t wait for all the old commies on here to slam me”.
      The trouble with comments like these is that you lose the argument before you start. Ignorance and partisanship will not beat facts and reason.
      Quite clearly the resources announced today by the federal government should have been available months ago. This is a matter of leadership. The various state governments, LNP and Labor and their agencies have been far and away more impressive, as have the brave and resilient locals. May the coming rain make life easier for them all.

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      Arvo calls those who think that the Prime minister has shown a distinct lack of leadership in this crisis “deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas”. He then states that ”it is also very disappointing that a national crisis brings out the worst and nasty side of people’s character”. Wow!
      Bazza 51 “‘can’t wait for all the old commies on here to slam me”.
      The trouble with comments like these is that you lose the argument before you start. Ignorance and partisanship will not beat facts and reason.
      Quite clearly the resources announced today by the federal government should have been available months ago. This is a matter of leadership. The various state governments, LNP and Labor and their agencies have been far and away more impressive, as have the brave and resilient locals. May the coming rain make life easier for them all.

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      Oh, I dunno – every comment I’ve made about federal i8ntervention in state issues etc, thus far over several major issues, has been right on thee money – and as for the Canadian water bombers – they’re in snow deep winter – not fighting their own fires, and proper control is exercised by a Air Commander on site… he Command and Control bird circling and directing traffic.. as for costing and training – that’s why I’m looking at a fund raiser for six Canadair CL-415s – that fund estimate takes in training etc..

      If you wish – look at the Canadian pilots and the way they are organised and trained.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1S-E4rGMlw

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      “deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas”
      Now there’s a title I could accept – to go with Godless, Apostate Bastard…

      Poor Scotty – well, as the General, my grandfather once said – when you take command you’re on your own… (Michael Caine in Zulu)…

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      All good comments from Horace, Arvo and Trebor!

      Just to add a few more:
      Gladys is a hopeless Premier, and along with the RFS Commissioner and the Emergency Services Minister, should accept full responsibility for this disaster – for:
      * NOT preventing fires by adequate hazard reduction,
      * NOT insisting on having a Fleet of Water Bombers available and in action since start of Summer, and for
      * NOT putting out fires BEFORE they became too big.
      * Also, NO mention in any news about stopping Arson – with 85% of fires known to be lit by Human Activity (50% being deliberate) – by police with Cameras, Drones and Helicopters.
      Absolute Incompetent Management!

      Yes, Morrison is responsible (along with Turnbull) for rejecting in late 2017 a request to have a National Fleet of Aerial Water Bombing aircraft. Besides Canada and France (as Mullins said – although he became irrelevant when he focused on climate change), USA also has a fleet of 25 Water Bombers. Morrison should have overruled the incompetent Premiers and Fire Commissioners and obtained the strategy and assistance from the ADF Generals to plan a proper War effort against this disaster, as it was well beyond these weak, useless State Govts.

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      Just to get the perspectives in order.

      Morrison / Turnbull rejected the National Aerial Water Bombing Aircraft arrangement in 2017 – if I remember correctly the recommendation asked for only $25 Mil to set it up (I stand to be corrected). Now, he is spending $20 Mil for 4 new large water bombing aircraft (by the way, he said he was asked for only one!!! By Gladys?), on top of the $11 Mil he offered in December. He is now going to spend $2 Billion+, yes Billion, for Bushfire Recovery!!! Taxpayer’s money, of course, as he doesn’t have any!

      Gladys has been too scared to ask for any resources, claiming her RFS Commissioner was given whatever RFS asked, thus BOTH of them are to be condemned and sacked for Incompetence! Note also her priorities – she is spending $1 Billion on re-building football Stadiums! But won’t ask for even $20 Mil for 4 Aircraft? Should have asked for 20 aircraft – only $100 Mil!

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      Gra I presume you voted for Clive Palmer or Pauline Hanson? (which was a vote for the LNP COALition, I hope you understand).

      If you didn’t Vote for Labor or Greens then you in effect, voted for the government – admit it.

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      Sen.Cit.90, Morrison has NOT done what he can. He ignored the fire chiefs on numerous occasions months ago, when they warned about the looming catastrophic fire season. He refused to meet them or heed their concerns.

      Talking about pollies taking holidays (they are all entitled to holidays, even those who don’t do much and only sit in Parliament for 5 weeks because they take time out for religious follies in Israel), has nothing to do with the crisis unfolding in our country.
      The crisis isn’t just continuing catastrophic fires, unprecedented drought and devastated farming communities, ocean inundation in the Torres Strait, water mismanagement and fauna/flora extinction – all of which no-one can fix right NOW. But the government’s continuing lack of planning or policies to address these events and their ridiculous addiction to fossil fuels over renewable energy, IS ALL THEIR OWN FAULT. They are to blame for these catastrophic events becoming worse and worse.

      Their only path forward is to stop taking donations from the fossil fuel industry, so they aren’t beholden to them. They should be beholden to Australia and her people. Same goes for Labor.

      Why are coal mines and CSG mines allowed to take our precious fresh water for free? Oh I know – so they can claim coal is cheap to produce. Meanwhile, farmers and rural communities have no water. There’s something drastically wrong here. It is immoral, IMHO.

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      Almost everyone, including Media & most voters, were shocked when ScoMo, our Leader, didn’t come home while his country was burning/fellow Aussies, constituents, suffering so enormously. No more excuses please, even tho’ I do agree that everyone deserves a family holiday – but just not this time. It would have been so simple to show his small children real compassion for ppl by saying something simple like “I love u so very much but we have to go home now because lots & lots & lots of people like us are really very very sad now back home & they need us to give ’em big hugs to make them feel better.” He missed that opportunity – his kids will, unfortunately for him, understand that when older.

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      The difference between puppet and a Leader.
      A Leader uses the rules to accomplish what he/she needs to do, a puppet uses the rules to excuse them from taking responsibility.
      We do not have leader, we have a marketing executive who is very skilled at stealing credit and shifting blame. He seems incapable of admitting even the smallest mistake., without spinning it with weasel words.

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    I think the Ballot Box is the Best Place on How One Thinks.
    I’ll timed or I need a Break but you lot can keep on doing what your doing, without a break but working on for love after normal work/earnings are lost.
    Great job by our Volunteers, sorry I lost for Printable Words For SoMo and Co.

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      Liberals will win the next election too as nothing has really changed.

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      Waste of time, both major parties and several minor ones at this time.

      BOTR. Wrest power from the bastards and restore it to the people via plebiscites NOW!!

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      No Chris we have voted. We are not going to continue to swap Prime Ministers at the whim of the unwashed plebs.
      Who is orchestrating this Shamo asil during a catastrophic fire disaster?

      I can promise you from the horrible unwarranted comments I read on FB I would never have any doubt as to who I will vote for next time. I can assure you it won’t be the party who is affiliated with these ratbags denigrating our Prime Minister at every opportunity.

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      Unwashed Plebs build the guillotines….

      Just saying… could be an expanding business right there…

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      Since the Drought and Bush Fires only Started on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve 2019, I could understand every Emergency Agency of All States and Territory’s been overwhelmed.
      The PM being totally unaware of these Events.
      Drought, lack of water to areas that have never had a lack water for years now.
      Bush Fire Season Started in August 2019.
      Where I live all year 2019, the Media Platforms have been Broadcasting are you Ready.
      Survival Pack, medication easy to pack, enough water and Prepare Your Property.
      Don’t expect to be saved by Emergency Services.
      Pity the PM and Co didn’t heed this advice.
      Strange thing I haven’t heard about a Bush Fire in The Royal National Park, that place is normally alight. Must have Better Services now.
      No mention on this Site How Volunteers have Been Fighting Fires Protecting Other Buildings While Their’s are Burning for several weeks to months without earnings.
      No this only Just Happen all a once without warning.
      While I’m at It the Defence Force Stands Down over Christmas Period with a skeleton contingent.
      Most would have to Been Recalled or Redeployment.
      Same with Reservists.
      Very Sad at the Moment, this has only just started and I hope those that are effected are not “forgotten”

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      Chris BT, the fires started here in September. People died and homes were lost. Governments had plenty of time to respond before the NSW/Vic border fires (that have killed over 20 people) even started.

      I agree with VeryCaringBigBear, Liberals will win the next election, too, not because nothing has really changed but because the government has a fascist alignment with the far right media, Murdoch, shock jocks and other loudmouths from SKY News – it’s a winning propaganda machine. They can change topics at the flick of a switch and dull or frightened people respond accordingly.

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      …like lambs to the slaughter.

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      I see the Fires missed the trolls.
      Is September before August in Troll Land.

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      I wasn’t having a go at you Chris – I was correcting your opening line “Since the Drought and Bush Fires only Started on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve 2019” but I didn’t see you mention August till after. Sorry for that.

      The fires have disrupted my business in a very negative way.

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      Sorry to hear that Hoohoo, hope things pick up soon for all those effected by these fires, the worst we have had to contend with so far have been power blackouts, thick smoke and dirty rain, this last has covered everything in black soot twice now and looks like we might get more tonight. Water won’t wash it off, neither will pressure cleaners so far but compared to others wed count ourselves lucky. 38 degrees and windy here at the moment, hope it settles down soon as we live close to a hill where there are a lot of pine trees.

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      Hope you’re OK too, Misty.

      We are no longer in the warning zone (and my house never was) but we had to move part of our plant out of threatening fires where everyone was told to leave. That plant is now taking up half the garage and my partner’s car has been kicked out onto the driveway. The salty air here rusts cars in a short time.

      We’ve actually got some beautiful, cool rain ATM – how lovely to smell it without smoke in it. Hope the lightning doesn’t spark any fires.

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      Yes Hoohoo we are ok for now, thanks for asking, we had some rain last night and much cooler today and also no smoke earlier but it is coming over the sky now, hope the worst is over for everyone, at least for awhile.

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      How true “Nothing has really changed”, at a time when we need to look at serious change , nothing has changed. All the more reason why we need to change governments as soon as possible.
      Rather see someone try to make changes and fail, than someone who fails to make changes knowing that their inaction will doom us to failure. At least the first option has some chance of success.

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      Yes, ex PS, I pine for the days when our elected representatives sought consensus and took a bipartisan approach to issues that are at the heart and soul of our society.

      We really need to change the current divisive politics that only serves to win elections but demands lack of leadership and does not serve people and communities. But how can people become the centre focus of elections again, instead of this divide and rule scenario? How can we stop leaderless parties from winning elections, then have the PM run victory laps until the next election looms, then call in the propaganda machine that divides people so to win the next election?

      Meanwhile, the country flounders: socially, environmentally and economically. The only winners are the big businesses who donated to their political parties.

      The USA has the same problem as Australia, and probably the UK, too. Ironically, all three countries are led by old, white, male clowns. Business as usual.

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      USA, UK and Australia have the most climate change deniers due to the influence of Murdoch running the media in these countries.

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      At least one Murdoch son disagrees with his dad, good on him for looking to the future not what is in his bank A/C.

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      Yes, it was great to see James Murdoch stand up to his father and brother for their part in pushing propaganda regarding climate change. Hopefully, this fire crisis has opened the eyes for people to see just how great is the cost of doing nothing about greenhouse emissions.

      We had nearly 8 inches of rain (195ml) here last night with more bucketing down now (and a blackout). It feels like a flooding is on its way. Hope it’s not too extreme this time.

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      That is Australia, land of droughts and flooding plains, and now we can add bush fires too.

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    Hahahaha…krudd making comments. Another miserable narcissistic ex pm who won’t accept his election loss yet tries to stay relevant through criticisms of successors.

    He really needs to go away.

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      Mr Rudd was irrelevant when he took the PMship in 2007 and 2013. He was, is and shall remain irrelevant.

      I will say this though, Mr Rudd does have experience in being unfit to run the country though and he had two goes at it and still didn’t get it right!

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      As do a few othersd who are running the country now.

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      Morrison didn’t win the election, Labor lost because of Clive Palmer and their own stupid inability to figt the LNP advertising, “Get rid of your Utes because of Electric Cars and Chris Bowen’s stupid comment about the Franking Credits, amongs other things.

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      Mr Morrison’s enemy (K Rudd) says he is unfit to run the country, while Mr Rudd’s friends declared him unfit to run the country

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      Hi Misty, sounds like the mist is getting very difficult to see through. Please do not insult the electorate. Labor lost. Get over it.

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      Think what you like inextratime, the LNP only won because of a vartiety of reasons, as I have stated above, some of them decidedly dodgy, especiall telling tradies they would lose their utes because of electric cars, just to name one and I doubt without Clive Palmer’s B–l S-t ads they would have won either.

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      So good to hear that all the SCOMO minions will fall in behind the Labor PM when elected. Apparently once a PM is elected they can do no wrong and must be supported no matter how much they stuff things up.
      We elected this poor performing government and we will get rid if them, but we must hold the next government to account for their actions when the time comes.

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      Totally agree about ex PM’s, Howard and Abbott please take note.

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    There is no leadership to be happy with. The man is simply a marketing wonk, and not a very good one at that – he was fired from his tourism job, and will soon be fired from this one too.

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      Exactly Colours. Morrison won the election with a “miracle” (his own words), but I labelled him a charlatan from the outset. He is an empty vessel, full of slogans , won’t answer questions and hides inside the “bubble”.

      But his handling of the bushfire crisis shows he is beyond his competence and politicises situations instead of showing genuine empathy and concern for firefighters and victims. Witness his behaviour in Cobargo for example.
      Morrison and his government deny the very cause of the fire crisis and the public will never forgive them for their arrogant and stubborn stance.
      The lines are now starting to show on his exasperated face. He won’t be PM for much longer, mark my words, and this LNP government won’t get past the next election, and good riddance.

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      Well said thommo, the guy is a smirking wanker with flapping lips. There are plenty of politicians and State premiers but there is only one PM and he should have been here from the getgo though the way he has behaved it would have been better if he’d stayed in Hawaii for good. Hope to see the back of him real soon; unfit for office.

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      Mrs Morrison’s Fabulous Dancing Bear…

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      Exactly Colours, he gets by on spin, his party is following suit.
      The Liberal and National parties have no substance to them. They may as well be cardboard cut outs.

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      But Colours you could be wrong, he’s asking for tourists to go to Kangaroo Island just as the local inhabitants are traveling in the opposite direction seeking safety from the fires, that’s marketing. You never know we could have the proverbial fridge salesman in the Antarctic as our PM, its just that he’s a bit ahead of the market but as things are going, not long to wait though before fridges are needed up there.

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    How about getting stuck into the premiers and the councils instead of the Prime Minister, and then the idiots who continue to build their little dream homes in the middle of forests.
    Those idiots abusing him and rambling on about global warming need to go out and fight the fires instead of rambling on like halfwits.

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      That is a very good and a strong valid point RJP.

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      Hate to think what out insurance premiums will go up by now because of the fires and drought, not to mention the floods, that will surely come when it rains, now there is no bush and undergrowth to soak up the water.

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      One at a time RJP – one at a time – they are all culpable… Gladys the empty vessel has appeared every day for a photo op – never seen a bushfire in her life… straight from school, did a uni course, decided politics was where the easy money was… never had a job in her life.

      Tell me again how she’s in that job on easy street for life?

      As for the wet lettuce leaf in Victoria…. don’t even ask… Pale Ass Chick the Sellout Queen in Queersland?

      Word for today :- Phtoo Op – a photo op you wouldn’t Phtoo on..

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      * sometimes my computer keyboard speaks truths that even I don’t see at first…

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      So Trebor
      What did the Rudd Gillard Rudd government do ? Oh but of course bushfires are a new natural occurrence. Mr Rudd was in power when the Black Friday fires took many lives, so don’t go blaming a PM that has been in the chair 6 months, unless of course you happen to be a Labor voter…. !

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      Watch out RJP, you’ll suffocate if you keep your head stuck in the sand. At least you won’t continue to be brainwashed by the shock jocks down there, though zay haf other vays to make you conform to the party line.

      Morrison is only part of the problem – the part that is the COALition LNP. What a useless, hopeless government they’ve been since 2013.

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      Hey RJP, have u no children/grandkids – most can’t afford $1m to live in the burbs, as we couldn’t way back then (bought houses that were “in the back blocks” but now in the Burbs) – as their’s will be too in decade or 2. It’s not their fault that their Councils won’t let ’em have lge old trees removed + being very negligent, considering drought, re upkeep of old dying dry trees/removing metre deep dry leaves/mowing neglected nature strips etc etc etc. It was a very sad fire waiting to happen, thru no fault of anyone but weather/drought/dry lightening & Council negligence.

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    “Is the PM guilty of political grandstanding or are you happy with his leadership?”

    Have you stopped beating your wife? Answer yes or no.

    Lightweight political point scoring by the usual suspects – ie mainly the climate alarmists whose actions (as greenies – usually the same people) in restricting controlled burns are one if the main causes of the ferocity of these fires,

    Who came up with the figure “More than half a billion animals are dead.” and why were they counting dead animals when they could have been helping with firefighting?

    Sauce for the goose …

    I’m no fan of ScoMo but he has a big job and needs a holiday once in a while – he should be able to say that he has complete faith in the existing fire services etc and leave them to get on with their job. Televised visits by VIPs etc etc simply cause some of those people to be taken away from their main roles.

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      Morrison has now had 3 overseas holidays since the election. It is part of the P.M’s job to lead the country, whenever that is needed, which he has shown to be incapable of doing without a big push in the back.
      His family commitments are secondary to that. If he wanted a normal life who should not have forced his way into the job.
      His tardiness with the bushfire crisis smacks of his attitude to the calls for a banking Royal Commission.
      It is unbelievable that someone in his position, and professed beliefs, needed an empathy coach. Even then he failed in Cobargo.
      The State premiers have shown much greater leadership than Morrison. His political advertisement was exactly that, political.

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      Morrison has now had 3 overseas holidays since the election. It is part of the P.M’s job to lead the country, whenever that is needed, which he has shown to be incapable of doing without a big push in the back.
      His family commitments are secondary to that. If he wanted a normal life who should not have forced his way into the job.
      His tardiness with the bushfire crisis smacks of his attitude to the calls for a banking Royal Commission.
      It is unbelievable that someone in his position, and professed beliefs, needed an empathy coach. Even then he failed in Cobargo.
      The State premiers have shown much greater leadership than Morrison. His political advertisement was exactly that, political.

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      adbob- “…”More than half a billion animals are dead.” ???
      Either they got their estimate from the ABS (sic) or they used AI to do a quick count but, no way they could have done a physical count of every animal that perished in a matter of few days.
      So, let’s call their allegation – ” frog-shit ! “-

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      Tanker: “The State premiers have shown much greater leadership than Morrison.”

      The Qld and Vic Premiers were also on holiday but being Labor have not copped the criticism Mr Morrison has even though it is their responsibility to fight fires, not his!

      Exactly what do you expect Mr Morrison to do/have done? He is hamstrung by the States so he could not send the troops in without thie States asking for it, he has provided everything he has been asked for. So just what do you expect?

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      The Vic Premier responded to the crisis promptly here in Victoria and has been on the job ever since. He requested help from the ADF, particularly the Navy, and that was granted quickly. He has not engaged in any political advertising, neither has the NSW Premier.
      Morrison is the only P.M. who waited and hid behind the States when questioned. In emergencies in the past the P.M. of the day, from both Party’s, were right there lending their support and position to help as a matter of urgency.

      Morrison has also been contradicted by the NSW Premier and the man responsible for firefighting in NSW regarding statements Morrison made on his offers of assistance.

      Politics is tribal these days in that many lock themselves into supporting “THEIR” side right or wrong and this is obvious in many responses here. My observation of what has happened with Morrison is that he is out of his depth as P.M. Heaps of confidence but lacking in competence. I am sure that will now bring the wrath of the “right” upon me.

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      The Vic Premier responded to the crisis promptly here in Victoria and has been on the job ever since. He requested help from the ADF, particularly the Navy, and that was granted quickly. He has not engaged in any political advertising, neither has the NSW Premier.
      Morrison is the only P.M. who waited and hid behind the States when questioned. In emergencies in the past the P.M. of the day, from both Party’s, were right there lending their support and position to help as a matter of urgency.

      Morrison has also been contradicted by the NSW Premier and the man responsible for firefighting in NSW regarding statements Morrison made on his offers of assistance.

      Politics is tribal these days in that many lock themselves into supporting “THEIR” side right or wrong and this is obvious in many responses here. My observation of what has happened with Morrison is that he is out of his depth as P.M. Heaps of confidence but lacking in competence. I am sure that will now bring the wrath of the “right” upon me.

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      Tanker, Mr Morrison could not send the Army or Navy to Victoria until it was requested. He was ready to do so and said so and this is borne out by the speed with which they were dispatched once the request from the State was made. NSW lagged behind in make such a request!

      It was NSW Premier who did not tell the Fire Chief of Mr Morrison’s offer of assistance. Ms Berejiklian has admitted that she was told by Mr Morrison himself before the announcement took place. Again the States are falling down on their job but the bandwagon hatred of Mr Morrison is not concerned with truth and facts. Anything to try to further tarnish Mr Morrison personally right?

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      We didn’t vote for the PM’S wife Jenny but he continually includes her in the conversation, Jenny and I this and Jennyy and I that, has anyone else noticed this?, no other PM has included their partner in this way, at least I don’t remeber them doing it, so who is running the country, Scomo or Scomo and Jenny?.

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      KSS you’re wasting your time trying to explain how the system works, these fools are blinded by hate and ignorance.

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      So KSS, like the old legend, Rome burned while Nero fiddled, does the PM sit back and tweet while Australia burns or does he do what he was elected to do, take charge and run the country, after all that is what he is paid to do.

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      Arvo – you understand what is this ‘estimate’? Somewhere else somebody, an ostensible apologist for Morrison, posted that it came from a ‘learned professor’ (**looks over shoulder**) ….

      You surely know my view of learned professors – but this is an ESTIMATE – did you want a body count?

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      The dead animal numbers are an estimate from scientists in the field.

      But we all know that this government only believes 1% of scientists – the other 99% are alarmists!

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    I am not going to read the other comments cos I know they will be from sit on their bottoms and complain
    NO-ONE could have foreseen what happened. Everyone who works 25 hours per day for you deserves a holiday in fact his family need to see him …..
    I think we need to look to the future and do what we can to prevent it happening again Lock up fire bugs. Clear trees around properties.
    Help those in need and stop being negative and complaining. Its happened get on with it Clearing rebuilding and being positive .
    Tragedy makes us stronger Hlp other Australians NOW
    Blaming and complaining never gets anything done.

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      Virginia Scumo has a staff of 50 yes 50 he has a chief of staff that makes sure that he does not have to worry about anything Yes Minister rings a bell

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      Bugger his family, he back stabbed to get the top job he wanted and that comes with a price, 3 holidays since July, poor diddums!

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      Virginia add to your list a reversal of Green and Labor council policies of refusal to allow backburning and allowing fire trails to become overgrown and deliberately made impenetrable.

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      Join the Trebor drive to fund a permanent fleet of water bombers… get out fast and kill those fires at their outset. No more of this “Oh – it’s all in deep bush – no need to worry about it.” With a fleet of dedicated water bombers you can hit it fast and often – stop it spreading to built-up areas.

      Drove through the Diamond Beach fire spot yesterday, and there is no way you can get firefighters on wheels in there… just a few narrow tracks – left my tablet at home.. otherwise I’d have footage out there..

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      Wrong Virginia the experts have been telling us for years that the seas are rising our summers are getting hotter our coral reefs are dying and bush fires will be more intense but our polys convince morons to vote for them. A scientist is an expert in his field how do politicians who cant even run a country tell scientists they do not know what they are talking about. We have an ex prime minister travelling around the world saying this has nothing to do with climate change another moron Tony Abbot. People are bagging K Rudd for saying what he thinks and he is right this Prime Minister is not fit to run this country and we had John Howard say on national tv that this guy is doing a good job once a tosser always a tosser.

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      KSS – no-one stops backburning. It’s used on active fires when necessary and no- one would ever stop it.

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      Even if the councils allowed the backburning of overgrown undergrowth because of the drought caused by climate change it is not possible rain forests are burning because they are too dry this has never happened before people should start listening to scientists not politicians

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      Yes – the Big Dry has something to do with it – I say the same to all those carrying on about Aboriginal ‘land management’ – if they lit a fire now they’d burn the place down – no difference,…. and what’s the use in killing all their meals on paws?

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      Does he deserve three in 18 months? Does he deserve one when the country is in crissis?
      Even if he deserves one, why does he deserve one when volunterrs are spending their Christmas on the front line?
      If he is not ashamed of his actions, why did he try and keep his holiday so secret?

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      Why does Ollie refer to those who promote the climate change/global warming scam as scientists? Scientific method requires every effort to be made to discredit any hypothesis before it is accepted as scientific fact, a status which only exists until it can be disproved. “Climate scientists” only look at evidence which appears to support their theories, ignore everything which discredits it, and persecute anyone who dares to contradict their theories with facts – i.e. Peter Ridd and Susan Crockford.
      Why do we continue to listen to people whose predictions invariably fail. Numerous examples are available, endless droughts which were followed by massive floods? The Maldives under water by 2000 but still there, as is Tuvalu which has also discredited the “climate scientists’ and is growing.
      For several years we were told that the Arctic ice would vanish in summer this year or next, then it was going to vanish in around 20 years, now they are refusing to predict when the ice will go, perhaps they have been cornered by knowledge that the North Atlantic is cooling.
      What about the “hockey stick scam? If global warming is real, why was it necessary to homogenize – meaning rig – temperature data from the Rutherglen Station so that the records which used to show a slight cooling of about half a degree over the past century now show warming of around 1.5 degrees?
      And if the sea level is going to rise, why is it that people like Al Gore, Kevin Rudd and Barak Obama have purchased seaside mansions?
      It has been predicted by others of a more reasonable frame of mind that not too far into the future people will look back in amazement as they consider how almost the entire world believed in the greatest scam ever to emerge on this planet.

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      Why does Ollie refer to those who promote the climate change/global warming scam as scientists? Scientific method requires every effort to be made to discredit any hypothesis before it is accepted as scientific fact, a status which only exists until it can be disproved. “Climate scientists” only look at evidence which appears to support their theories, ignore everything which discredits it, and persecute anyone who dares to contradict their theories with facts – i.e. Peter Ridd and Susan Crockford.
      Why do we continue to listen to people whose predictions invariably fail. Numerous examples are available, endless droughts which were followed by massive floods? The Maldives under water by 2000 but still there, as is Tuvalu which has also discredited the “climate scientists’ and is growing.
      For several years we were told that the Arctic ice would vanish in summer this year or next, then it was going to vanish in around 20 years, now they are refusing to predict when the ice will go, perhaps they have been cornered by knowledge that the North Atlantic is cooling.
      What about the “hockey stick scam? If global warming is real, why was it necessary to homogenize – meaning rig – temperature data from the Rutherglen Station so that the records which used to show a slight cooling of about half a degree over the past century now show warming of around 1.5 degrees?
      And if the sea level is going to rise, why is it that people like Al Gore, Kevin Rudd and Barak Obama have purchased seaside mansions?
      It has been predicted by others of a more reasonable frame of mind that not too far into the future people will look back in amazement as they consider how almost the entire world believed in the greatest scam ever to emerge on this planet.

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      maxchugg, what religion must you adhere to to believe 1% of expert scientists know more than 99% of expert scientists?

      Are you so arrogant that you think you know more than the experts?

      Cherry-picking data from here and from there whilst ignoring the bulk of the data, is truly unscientific. The experts know more than you – suck it up.

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      Hoohoo, you are long on personal abuse and very short on facts. I have listed a small number of examples of how the predictions of the so-called “climate scientists” have made predictions which have failed so miserably that anybody other than a dyed in the wool fanatical believer in the climate change/global warming religion would give them any credibility. Many more examples could be given.
      Like all devout followers of your religion, you take the lazy approach of totally failing to discredit my comments by accusing me of cherry picking rather than taking the logical approach of proving even one of the statements I have made to be wrong.
      You say that I am ignoring the bulk of the data, I am not ignoring it, I have never found it because it simply does not exist.
      As for your claim that 99% of expert scientists agree is totally discredited, I am astonished at your ignorance/stupidity to present it. I have stated that “climate science” is not science because it totally fails to meet the requirements of scientific method. If you disagree, please state your case, with supportive evidence and without the usual ad hominem approach that is normally served up by the members of your religion.

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      Hoohoo, you are long on personal abuse and very short on facts. I have listed a small number of examples of how the predictions of the so-called “climate scientists” have made predictions which have failed so miserably that anybody other than a dyed in the wool fanatical believer in the climate change/global warming religion would give them any credibility. Many more examples could be given.
      Like all devout followers of your religion, you take the lazy approach of totally failing to discredit my comments by accusing me of cherry picking rather than taking the logical approach of proving even one of the statements I have made to be wrong.
      You say that I am ignoring the bulk of the data, I am not ignoring it, I have never found it because it simply does not exist.
      As for your claim that 99% of expert scientists agree is totally discredited, I am astonished at your ignorance/stupidity to present it. I have stated that “climate science” is not science because it totally fails to meet the requirements of scientific method. If you disagree, please state your case, with supportive evidence and without the usual ad hominem approach that is normally served up by the members of your religion.

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      Hoohoo, some facts about your 99% of scientists believing in anthropogenic climate change. 10257 scientists around the world were asked if they thought human activity had an impact on climate change. (A stupid question, of course human activity has an influence on climate change, the important point is to what degree does human activity have an effect.)
      Of the 10257 questionnaires sent out, 3146 replies were received, but of the 3146 who replied 3069 were eliminated because they were deemed to not be climate scientists, which raises the question of why were they circularized in the first place, or was it because their views were not acceptable to the surveyor?
      Finally, only 77 surveys were considered, and 75 out of the 77 agreed that human activity has, or may have, an impact on climate change. (Even I believe that human activity has an effect on climate) So, in the end, 71 out of 10257 supported the argument which is less than 2%. In reality, almost 99% REJECTED the argument.
      But now it is you who is cherry picking because you who have ignored another questionnaire about climate change called the Oregon Petition which was prepared by Arthur Robinson, president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, and supported by Frederick Seitz, Past President of National academy of Sciences then Professor Emeritus Rockfeller University.
      The proposal states in part that the Kyoto global warming agreement proposed “limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment hinder the advance of science and technology and damage the health and welfare of mankind.” It went on “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”
      Of the 31000 signatures received, it was found that a few pranksters managed to sign, but those who did sign included 9000 holding a PhD degree.
      Do the maths, Hoohoo. If we eliminate half of the signatories as pranksters, this still leaves 15500 who support the proposal, and if you are to be believed, this is 1% of the sceptics, so there must be at least 1,550,000 true believers.

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      Hoohoo, some facts about your 99% of scientists believing in anthropogenic climate change. 10257 scientists around the world were asked if they thought human activity had an impact on climate change. (A stupid question, of course human activity has an influence on climate change, the important point is to what degree does human activity have an effect.)
      Of the 10257 questionnaires sent out, 3146 replies were received, but of the 3146 who replied 3069 were eliminated because they were deemed to not be climate scientists, which raises the question of why were they circularized in the first place, or was it because their views were not acceptable to the surveyor?
      Finally, only 77 surveys were considered, and 75 out of the 77 agreed that human activity has, or may have, an impact on climate change. (Even I believe that human activity has an effect on climate) So, in the end, 71 out of 10257 supported the argument which is less than 2%. In reality, almost 99% REJECTED the argument.
      But now it is you who is cherry picking because you who have ignored another questionnaire about climate change called the Oregon Petition which was prepared by Arthur Robinson, president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, and supported by Frederick Seitz, Past President of National academy of Sciences then Professor Emeritus Rockfeller University.
      The proposal states in part that the Kyoto global warming agreement proposed “limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment hinder the advance of science and technology and damage the health and welfare of mankind.” It went on “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”
      Of the 31000 signatures received, it was found that a few pranksters managed to sign, but those who did sign included 9000 holding a PhD degree.
      Do the maths, Hoohoo. If we eliminate half of the signatories as pranksters, this still leaves 15500 who support the proposal, and if you are to be believed, this is 1% of the sceptics, so there must be at least 1,550,000 true believers.

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      I didn’t personally abuse anyone, maxchugg. I asked a question about the arrogance of lay people thinking they know more than the vast majority of scientific experts.

      Science is created by scientists collecting data and making predictions on the trends in the data. The data is always changing, so not all predictions will be correct. But fossil fuel proponents still ignore the direction of the trends because they’d prefer to cherry-pick bits of data and ignore the bulk of the data, to suit their own agenda and hoodwink lay people, as you have.

      This devotion to conspiracy theories, calling the 99% of experts “alarmists”, has been shown up for what it is, but the powers that be are SO invested (in the fossil fuel industry), they can’t accept defeat. They’ll take Australia and the world down with them, kicking and screaming, if we give them the chance. How much carbon have these catastrophic fires added to the problem? The smoke has reached Chile now.

      It’s time to accept the science and protect everyone’s future, not protect profits for a few. The snowball effect of doing nothing will cost everyone financially, well and above the profits pulled in by the invested denialists.

      That silly argument about C02 feeding plant life is a joke. Nothing grows without water.

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      Hoohoo, you say that you didn’t personally abuse anyone. I think an accusation of arrogance in believing that I know more than 99 percent of scientists amounts to abuse.

      You complain of cherry picking of data to prove a point, yet it is you who is doing the cherry picking. For example, as I mentioned, you latched onto a totally discredited argument that over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change, and totally ignored another survey which discredited the survey upon which your argument rests.

      I put forward evidence that “climate science” is not science because it completely ignores the basic rules of scientific method, you carefully avoided discussing that point.

      Likewise, I mentioned a few of the enormous pieces of evidence which have shown all of the predictions of the “climate scientists to be total nonsense. Please tell me:

      Did the Maldives become submerged by 2000, as predicted?
      What about Flannery’s prediction that any water which fell would simply run off the earth and a new dam near Brisbane would not fill? Didn’t that dam not only fill, but didn’t it overflow and flood Brisbane? And didn’t another dam near Townsville do he same?
      Perth was to be the first ghost metropolis, has that happened yet?
      The polar bears were going to extinction, so how come recent surveys have shown that their numbers have increased significantly?
      The Arctic ice was to be gone in summer, “this year or next”, then in a couple of decades, now they are saying 20 years, so were they correct when they said this year next, or are they correct when they say in 20 years?

      I could go on for a long time in that vein, but have one more which I expect you, as the reasonable, unbiased person you would have us believe, will answer:

      Can you provide a couple of examples of predictions made by “climate scientists” which have come true?

      Finally your comments about the “silly argument about CO2 feeding plant life is a joke. Nothing grows without water.” The argument was raised by eminent scientists, as was mentioned, over 9000 have PhDs, so aren’t you being just a little – dare I say it – arrogant in treating these views with such contempt. Of course plant growth requires water, it also requires CO2, as any horticulturalist will tell you. And, of course, you chose to ignore the statement that increased atmospheric CO2 would be beneficial to plant growth. To test the argument is quite simple, as NASA has commented that with the increase in atmospheric CO2 has come substantially increased greening on the earth. Not only is this evident in record crops in recent years, it is also visible from space:

      https://www.
      asa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

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      Hoohoo, you say that you didn’t personally abuse anyone. I think an accusation of arrogance in believing that I know more than 99 percent of scientists amounts to abuse.

      You complain of cherry picking of data to prove a point, yet it is you who is doing the cherry picking. For example, as I mentioned, you latched onto a totally discredited argument that over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change, and totally ignored another survey which discredited the survey upon which your argument rests.

      I put forward evidence that “climate science” is not science because it completely ignores the basic rules of scientific method, you carefully avoided discussing that point.

      Likewise, I mentioned a few of the enormous pieces of evidence which have shown all of the predictions of the “climate scientists to be total nonsense. Please tell me:

      Did the Maldives become submerged by 2000, as predicted?
      What about Flannery’s prediction that any water which fell would simply run off the earth and a new dam near Brisbane would not fill? Didn’t that dam not only fill, but didn’t it overflow and flood Brisbane? And didn’t another dam near Townsville do he same?
      Perth was to be the first ghost metropolis, has that happened yet?
      The polar bears were going to extinction, so how come recent surveys have shown that their numbers have increased significantly?
      The Arctic ice was to be gone in summer, “this year or next”, then in a couple of decades, now they are saying 20 years, so were they correct when they said this year next, or are they correct when they say in 20 years?

      I could go on for a long time in that vein, but have one more which I expect you, as the reasonable, unbiased person you would have us believe, will answer:

      Can you provide a couple of examples of predictions made by “climate scientists” which have come true?

      Finally your comments about the “silly argument about CO2 feeding plant life is a joke. Nothing grows without water.” The argument was raised by eminent scientists, as was mentioned, over 9000 have PhDs, so aren’t you being just a little – dare I say it – arrogant in treating these views with such contempt. Of course plant growth requires water, it also requires CO2, as any horticulturalist will tell you. And, of course, you chose to ignore the statement that increased atmospheric CO2 would be beneficial to plant growth. To test the argument is quite simple, as NASA has commented that with the increase in atmospheric CO2 has come substantially increased greening on the earth. Not only is this evident in record crops in recent years, it is also visible from space:

      https://www.
      asa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

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      C’mon Hoohoo, where are you? After all, I did provide a few of the hundreds of reasons why I do not accept the so called science of anthropogenic climate change and you accused me of cherry picking, so I invited you to prove me wrong and I renew that invitation.

      After giving cogent reasons for my disbelief and total distrust of people posing as scientists who ignore the basic rules of science and make predictions from computer models which are garbage in, garbage out in my opinion, I asked you for just a couple of examples of where the computer models have made a correct prediction. Just a couple. And that shouldn’t be a big ask, surely computer models costing millions of dollars should be able to provide a better idea of future climate than pure guesswork, which, by the way, will, statistically, be right half of the time.

      Please correct me with solid evidence and without personal abuse, that shows that the predictions of computer models really are better than pure guesswork.

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      C’mon Hoohoo, where are you? After all, I did provide a few of the hundreds of reasons why I do not accept the so called science of anthropogenic climate change and you accused me of cherry picking, so I invited you to prove me wrong and I renew that invitation.

      After giving cogent reasons for my disbelief and total distrust of people posing as scientists who ignore the basic rules of science and make predictions from computer models which are garbage in, garbage out in my opinion, I asked you for just a couple of examples of where the computer models have made a correct prediction. Just a couple. And that shouldn’t be a big ask, surely computer models costing millions of dollars should be able to provide a better idea of future climate than pure guesswork, which, by the way, will, statistically, be right half of the time.

      Please correct me with solid evidence and without personal abuse, that shows that the predictions of computer models really are better than pure guesswork.

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      A person does not need a computer model or guesswork to see that there is something radically changing with our weather, and it is not for the better.

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      Again, you are cherry-picking scientific data that suits your argument. I haven’t even presented any scientific data, so what is it I’m supposed to be cherry-picking? Don’t you think 99% or even only 90% of scientific experts in the field of climate change know more than you?
      I’m sorry if don’t like me thinking a lay person is arrogant, when they presume they know more than the vast majority of experts. Do you have a better or more succinct name for your position on this? I presume you are sincere and you’ve spent many hours scouring the internet to find your cherries, but they are still cherries which don’t reflect the position of the vast majority of experts who have dedicated their lives to the pursuit of scientific truths.

      The increased greening you speak of could simply be that the treeline in alpine areas has dropped significantly because of warming making the permafrost less prevalent. This would create more forests and it is well known that huge tracts of tundra regions have melted because the permafrost has disappeared, even during winter.

      Climate scientists have warned of MORE EXTREME droughts, fire seasons, floods and snowstorms. The prediction of extended fire seasons and unprecedented, catastrophic bush fires is a good example of that prediction coming true, and we’re not even into the middle of summer yet.
      The Torres Strait Islands and Pacific Islands already have inundation refugees. Why? The ocean has taken over their gardens, their livelihoods, their homes and their country. Don’t you think our fellow Australians and Pacific neighbours count? Did climate scientists predict rising oceans would result in this?

      To talk about examples where temperatures have dropped (cherry-picking), is ignoring the trend to more extreme weather events. It’s not just warming, per se. There are cosmic influences at play too, that may influence our climate one way or the other. I trust the experts have taken ALL the data into account – they know more than me and I think they know more than you do, too. Maybe you aren’t arrogant to hold your position – maybe you’ve been mislead by conspiracy theorists who call most experts alarmists.

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      I’ve been watching the tennis while constructing my post today so I missed your last rev up.

      I have heard all your arguments before and I don’t wish to waste my time ploughing through your posts AND all the various links you have referred to. If these references to so-called science have any merit, why haven’t the majority of the experts thought “Why didn’t we think of that? We must investigate further.”

      There is so much fake news on the internet that conspiracy theories are having a field day. I think many of their victims are genuinely interested in science and are more knowledgeable than the average punter, but they’re determined to counter the accepted paradigm because they actually think being smarter than most gives them a license to pursue the alternative with zealotry. I have a close family relative who is very clever but he has entrapped himself in an internet bubble, literally, believing the earth is flat or at least, domed-shaped. He has a scientific explanation for every argument I pose to him. I am the one who he thinks is close-minded. Should I not question his beliefs?

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      As expected, Hohoo, you stick to the total nonsense of the discredited myth of overwhelming support for anthropogenic climate change by the majority of so-called scientists.

      I have listed a few of the hundreds of examples of where “climate scientists” have made predictions which have failed to such an extent that guessing would have produced a better result, yet you still expect me to respect their views, to give them credibility

      Also, I have asked for you to give a couple of examples of where correct predictions have been made by these “scientists” and, you have at least tried, but failed miserably.

      The scientists, you say, have warned of more extreme droughts, fire seasons, floods and snowstorms. Evidence, please. All of these events have been happening forever, as Dorothea MacKellar said, Australia is a land of droughts and flooding rains. We now know that these are the results of climatic variations called El Nino and El Nina. An even greater problem with your argument is why is it that temperature records have bees “homogenized” – although “rigged” would be a better word – to show that temperatures had risen instead of falling?

      The pacific Islands are drowning, creating large numbers of refugees. I’m sure you would love the ABC, so here is the outcome of their attempt to discredit Craig Kelly’s claim that Tuvalu is actually growing:

      https://www.abc.
      et.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-growing/10627318

      You comment “The increased greening you speak of could simply be that the treeline in alpine areas has dropped significantly because of warming making the permafrost less prevalent.” Of course you would want to believe your theory, irrespective of the fact that it is known that atmospheric CO2 is at a record low level, that any horticulturalist will tell you that increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide does increase plant growth. And you have attempted to explain off the increased greening but overlooked the record crops which have ben evident in the last few years.

      Next, your comments about tundra. Take a look at the map of the Arctic ice which appears on the NSDIC site every day and attempt to argue that there is a substantial reduction in the ice which, currently, is remarkably close to the average for 1981 – 2010 period, which appears to have chosen (cherry picked) for no other reason than that there was an unusually high level of ice in that period.

      Finally, why are these “scientists” which you expect us to trust and respect so devious? What about the treatment of Peter Ridd, fired for producing irrefutable evidence that his employer’s promotion of the theory that climate change is destroying the Barrier Reef? If Ridd was wrong, how come a court awarded him $1.2 million in damages? And does it square with your sense of justice that the university will appeal the decision, at taxpayers expense, compelling Ridd to raise $1.6 million to fund his defence? And if Ridd wins again, it might be reasonable to expect that the university will have to pay the cost of two sets of legal action ($1.6 million x 4) plus the original $1.2 million, so around $10 million. Are you, as a taxpayer, happy about this possibility?

      Please let us know how you feel about the Chief Scientist stating that if Australia reduced emissions by 1.6%, which is our total contribution to so-called greenhouse gases” the effect would be negligible, and then denied that he had made such a statement, claiming that Andrew Bolt had put words in his mouth.

      https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2018/12/clarifying-the-chief-scientists-position-on-reducing-carbon-emissions

      The truth is easy to find, because a video of the interview is available, although no longer particularly easy to find.

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      As expected, Hohoo, you stick to the total nonsense of the discredited myth of overwhelming support for anthropogenic climate change by the majority of so-called scientists.

      I have listed a few of the hundreds of examples of where “climate scientists” have made predictions which have failed to such an extent that guessing would have produced a better result, yet you still expect me to respect their views, to give them credibility

      Also, I have asked for you to give a couple of examples of where correct predictions have been made by these “scientists” and, you have at least tried, but failed miserably.

      The scientists, you say, have warned of more extreme droughts, fire seasons, floods and snowstorms. Evidence, please. All of these events have been happening forever, as Dorothea MacKellar said, Australia is a land of droughts and flooding rains. We now know that these are the results of climatic variations called El Nino and El Nina. An even greater problem with your argument is why is it that temperature records have bees “homogenized” – although “rigged” would be a better word – to show that temperatures had risen instead of falling?

      The pacific Islands are drowning, creating large numbers of refugees. I’m sure you would love the ABC, so here is the outcome of their attempt to discredit Craig Kelly’s claim that Tuvalu is actually growing:

      https://www.abc.
      et.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-growing/10627318

      You comment “The increased greening you speak of could simply be that the treeline in alpine areas has dropped significantly because of warming making the permafrost less prevalent.” Of course you would want to believe your theory, irrespective of the fact that it is known that atmospheric CO2 is at a record low level, that any horticulturalist will tell you that increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide does increase plant growth. And you have attempted to explain off the increased greening but overlooked the record crops which have ben evident in the last few years.

      Next, your comments about tundra. Take a look at the map of the Arctic ice which appears on the NSDIC site every day and attempt to argue that there is a substantial reduction in the ice which, currently, is remarkably close to the average for 1981 – 2010 period, which appears to have chosen (cherry picked) for no other reason than that there was an unusually high level of ice in that period.

      Finally, why are these “scientists” which you expect us to trust and respect so devious? What about the treatment of Peter Ridd, fired for producing irrefutable evidence that his employer’s promotion of the theory that climate change is destroying the Barrier Reef? If Ridd was wrong, how come a court awarded him $1.2 million in damages? And does it square with your sense of justice that the university will appeal the decision, at taxpayers expense, compelling Ridd to raise $1.6 million to fund his defence? And if Ridd wins again, it might be reasonable to expect that the university will have to pay the cost of two sets of legal action ($1.6 million x 4) plus the original $1.2 million, so around $10 million. Are you, as a taxpayer, happy about this possibility?

      Please let us know how you feel about the Chief Scientist stating that if Australia reduced emissions by 1.6%, which is our total contribution to so-called greenhouse gases” the effect would be negligible, and then denied that he had made such a statement, claiming that Andrew Bolt had put words in his mouth.

      https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2018/12/clarifying-the-chief-scientists-position-on-reducing-carbon-emissions

      The truth is easy to find, because a video of the interview is available, although no longer particularly easy to find.

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      Again, you ignore the warning of increasing EXTREMES of weather events. Yes, Australia is a country of droughts and floods, but I can’t deny the severity of this drought and the intense yet extensive fire season. Rainforests burned for the very first time last Spring and temperature records are breaking every year, but I suppose you think it’s just an inconvenient coincidence.

      Are you an expert in the field of climate science, maxchugg? If not, you’ve been very non-scientific in calling your viewpoint facts. You’ve obviously convinced yourself and you are entitled to your opinions and beliefs, but it doesn’t make them science.

      I did quite well at Uni by picking to pieces scientific methods used for experiments we conducted. It’s fairly easy to do because there are always so many variables which can undermine the results. And then there’s the problem and possibility of industry-promoted scientists posing premises that are politically motivated and which invariably suit the fossil fuel industry, which has plenty to lose financially if they are forced to change their polluting and water-stealing ways.

      You’ve really lost your scientific credibility now that you’ve mentioned Craig Kelly and Andrew Bolt. If they are your sources of information then it speaks volumes and explains your bias and zealotry on the subject. These two loudmouths are not scientists, either.

      And BTW, Australia is responsible for much more than 1.6% of world emissions, because we export about another 4%, making Australia one of the top ten emitting countries. And we are the highest per capita emitter. We’re a disgrace and it’s so bloody-minded of our so-called leaders to deny there’s nothing they can do or could’ve done to prevent such a crisis, then look the other way in the face of these terrible fires. Business as usual.It’s certainly not the leadership people are needing, especially when they’ve lost everything, communities have been devastated and so many people have been killed or burned to death.

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      Hello Hoohoo. Having provided a few of the huge number of examples of predictions made by “climate scientists”, I’m still waiting for you to provide even a couple of examples of where they have made predictions which have come true.

      You did quite well at school picking to pieces scientific methods. Which means that you were, at that time, observing scientific method which requires ever possible attempt to be before it becomes accepted as scientific fact. If the methods you so skillfully destroyed they were not science in the first place. And this is where the so-called “climate science” fails miserably because it only accepts evidence which supports the theory, however tenuous, and ignores everything which contradicts, no matter how significant.

      Let’s take a look at the Arctic ice shall we? You know all about it as the “scientists” whom you admire predicted that it would be gone this summer or next, then in maybe a decade or so, now many are widely declining to predict when it will be gone, because it is growing rapidly as even you will see if you take a look at the NSDAIC pictures which appear every day. So here we see climate change but in the reverse to the way your friends predicted and cooling taking place. Maybe some of those friends should have stuck to the story of global cooling that they were predicting in the 1970s.

      Your vilification of Craig Kelly and Andrew Bolt did not come as a surprise, in fact it was anticipated. May I remind you that it was the Chief Scientist who brought Andrew Bolt into this argument by accusing him of putting words into his mouth when a record of the interview in which the CS uttered the words supposedly “put into his mouth” by Andrew Bolt shows that Bolt was correct. The CS has made things worse by publishing an excuse in which he argues that just because there is nothing effective that Australia can do, it is no excuse for doing nothing. So, what do you do when there is nothing you can do?

      Finally, if climate change is going to destroy the Barrier Reef why was it necessary for James Cook to fire Peter Ridd? Surely time would have dealt with him by proving him wrong? Same for Susan Crockford, fired for arguing that predictions that polar bears were facing extinction? The answer to both questions is obvious, time is proving that Ridd and Crockford were right so they had to be silenced for obvious reasons.

      And if temperatures are really reaching record levels, why has it been necessary to “homogenize” (rig) past temperature records? Australia’s rainforest is burning for the first time, you say. Prove it!

      You say that Australia is responsible for more than the small amount of so-called greenhouse gases we produce because we export coal to other countries. Yet another nonsense argument. If these countries were not using high grade coal from Australia, they would be using lower grade coal from elsewhere and the end result would be even more “greenhouse gases.”

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      Hello Hoohoo. Having provided a few of the huge number of examples of predictions made by “climate scientists”, I’m still waiting for you to provide even a couple of examples of where they have made predictions which have come true.

      You did quite well at school picking to pieces scientific methods. Which means that you were, at that time, observing scientific method which requires ever possible attempt to be before it becomes accepted as scientific fact. If the methods you so skillfully destroyed they were not science in the first place. And this is where the so-called “climate science” fails miserably because it only accepts evidence which supports the theory, however tenuous, and ignores everything which contradicts, no matter how significant.

      Let’s take a look at the Arctic ice shall we? You know all about it as the “scientists” whom you admire predicted that it would be gone this summer or next, then in maybe a decade or so, now many are widely declining to predict when it will be gone, because it is growing rapidly as even you will see if you take a look at the NSDAIC pictures which appear every day. So here we see climate change but in the reverse to the way your friends predicted and cooling taking place. Maybe some of those friends should have stuck to the story of global cooling that they were predicting in the 1970s.

      Your vilification of Craig Kelly and Andrew Bolt did not come as a surprise, in fact it was anticipated. May I remind you that it was the Chief Scientist who brought Andrew Bolt into this argument by accusing him of putting words into his mouth when a record of the interview in which the CS uttered the words supposedly “put into his mouth” by Andrew Bolt shows that Bolt was correct. The CS has made things worse by publishing an excuse in which he argues that just because there is nothing effective that Australia can do, it is no excuse for doing nothing. So, what do you do when there is nothing you can do?

      Finally, if climate change is going to destroy the Barrier Reef why was it necessary for James Cook to fire Peter Ridd? Surely time would have dealt with him by proving him wrong? Same for Susan Crockford, fired for arguing that predictions that polar bears were facing extinction? The answer to both questions is obvious, time is proving that Ridd and Crockford were right so they had to be silenced for obvious reasons.

      And if temperatures are really reaching record levels, why has it been necessary to “homogenize” (rig) past temperature records? Australia’s rainforest is burning for the first time, you say. Prove it!

      You say that Australia is responsible for more than the small amount of so-called greenhouse gases we produce because we export coal to other countries. Yet another nonsense argument. If these countries were not using high grade coal from Australia, they would be using lower grade coal from elsewhere and the end result would be even more “greenhouse gases.”

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      Ross Garnow predicted 9 years ago that in the year 2020 this would likely be the outcome for Australia if we didn’t reduce our emissions and he has been proved correct. I am listening now to Josh Freidenberg stating that Climate Change is real and we have to reduce our emissions, the PM has also come out and said Climate Change is real so even you LNP Climate Change deniers will just have to suck it up because your own party is changing its beliefs. The PM is no longer the preferred PM, Anthony Alabanese has now taken that title.

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      I saw Frydenberg and Morrison admit climate change is real, too, Misty, but they are still holding to their old policy and still want to use up carbon credits from Kyoto Agreement so they can reach their Paris targets. They’ve been forced into the admission because of the reality of the situation that even THEY can’t deny, and maxchugg, they can’t even prove it, according to you.

      Do you need a scientific study of every extreme and unprecedented weather event to satisfy your demand of proof, maxchugg? In April 2017, some friends received 28 inches (700ml) of rain over 24 hours which caused a landslide on their rainforest property. Their car and carport ended up down the bottom, on the bank of the rocky creek, tangled up in mud and fence wire. The Lismore CBD catastrophically went under water, despite a new levee which was designed to make the CBD flood-proof. The water came down so fast that the warning stations didn’t call the alarm to businesses in time. Before the levee was built, businesses were warned to move their goods onto the second floor to avoid water damage.
      Then, only 2 years & 4 months later, not only is that rainforest creek not flowing, it’s bone dry and the residents were warned to leave because the rainforest fire was less than 10klm away and bearing down on them. Is that proof of the EXTREMES climate scientists warned of, or are you going to call that anecdotal because the likes of Andrew Bolt and Craig Kelly told you so?

      The government certainly has a credibility problem they have to hurdle, but they can’t be seen to lose face because they might be abandoned by Murdoch, Alan Jones, Clive Palmer, Tony Abbott, Andrew Bolt, Craig Kelly, ? Hadley and all those other powerful loudmouths. The LNP know they can’t win elections without the help of their propaganda.

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      Hoohoo, I don’t know how many more times I have to say this, but what I want is an answer to my question, can you give a couple of examples of predictions by the “climate scientists” which have come true? After all, I restrict the examples I give only in the interests of saving space because the few that I have given are only a tiny portion of what is available.

      The best you seem to be able to do is cite recent examples of extreme weather events and ignoring past events which have been the part of Earth’s climate for millennia. Australia had droughts in 1864 – 66: 1868: 1880 -86; 1888; 1895 – 1903; 1915 – 16; 1918 – 20; 1939 -45; 1858; – 68; 1982 – 83. In the US the pattern is identical. The cause of the seasons of droughts and flooding rain is climate change, which has been an ever present reality in the past and will continue to be so in the future.

      A decade or so back, the “climate scientists” used the loss of Arctic ice as conclusive proof of global warming. Yet in 1922 a newspaper report showed that there was far less ice that year than has been seen in the last few decades. On the other hand, in London ice fairs were held on the frozen River Thames. Climate change is real, global temperatures rise and fall and there is nothing which can be done to alter this fact.

      Your approach is typical of the abandonment of scientific method which is being used in the climate change/global warming debate. Anything, no matter how tenuous, is touted as conclusive proof of the pseudo science, everything which contradicts the theory is ignored. When confronted with embarrassing facts you invariably resort to accusations of cherry picking which is exactly what you do whenever your theories are confronted by facts.

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      Hoohoo, I don’t know how many more times I have to say this, but what I want is an answer to my question, can you give a couple of examples of predictions by the “climate scientists” which have come true? After all, I restrict the examples I give only in the interests of saving space because the few that I have given are only a tiny portion of what is available.

      The best you seem to be able to do is cite recent examples of extreme weather events and ignoring past events which have been the part of Earth’s climate for millennia. Australia had droughts in 1864 – 66: 1868: 1880 -86; 1888; 1895 – 1903; 1915 – 16; 1918 – 20; 1939 -45; 1858; – 68; 1982 – 83. In the US the pattern is identical. The cause of the seasons of droughts and flooding rain is climate change, which has been an ever present reality in the past and will continue to be so in the future.

      A decade or so back, the “climate scientists” used the loss of Arctic ice as conclusive proof of global warming. Yet in 1922 a newspaper report showed that there was far less ice that year than has been seen in the last few decades. On the other hand, in London ice fairs were held on the frozen River Thames. Climate change is real, global temperatures rise and fall and there is nothing which can be done to alter this fact.

      Your approach is typical of the abandonment of scientific method which is being used in the climate change/global warming debate. Anything, no matter how tenuous, is touted as conclusive proof of the pseudo science, everything which contradicts the theory is ignored. When confronted with embarrassing facts you invariably resort to accusations of cherry picking which is exactly what you do whenever your theories are confronted by facts.

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      MaxChugg, I think HooHoo is trying to point out that cliimate changes are more extreme and more frequent than ever before, that has become common knowledge. Maybe you guys should start a new thread, this argument is never ending. We need to come together for the greater good and not go on about who is right or wrong.

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      Rsss Garnau is not a scientist but he wrote a report for Kevin Rudd many years ago and predicted these fires are what would be happening in the year 2020.

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      Ross Garnaut predicted the 2020 fire season, did he? And what should we do? Reduce our emissions. Yet the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have virtually no effect on the climate.

      To have a fire you need fuel, something which has been allowed to accumulate because the lessons from Black Saturday were not learned. And unless sensible preventative action is taken now, and fuel loads allowed to accumulate, it is safe to predict that history will repeat itself in around 7 years.

      The point of view of the NSW Volunteer Fire Fighters should be taken into consideration, surely they know a little more than an economist, a biologist, or the luddite greens:

      https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/green-ideology-not-climate-change-makes-bushfires-worse

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      Ross Garnaut predicted the 2020 fire season, did he? And what should we do? Reduce our emissions. Yet the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have virtually no effect on the climate.

      To have a fire you need fuel, something which has been allowed to accumulate because the lessons from Black Saturday were not learned. And unless sensible preventative action is taken now, and fuel loads allowed to accumulate, it is safe to predict that history will repeat itself in around 7 years.

      The point of view of the NSW Volunteer Fire Fighters should be taken into consideration, surely they know a little more than an economist, a biologist, or the luddite greens:

      https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/green-ideology-not-climate-change-makes-bushfires-worse

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      maxchugg you don’t need to post every comment twice to get your point across, you can click on remove to get rid of the double up.

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      The trends are more important than the events by themselves. It is true, major droughts are usually broken by major floods. But the Lismore example I gave was the other way around – an EXTREME record flood followed closely by an EXTREME record drought and UNPRECEDENTED, EXTREME record fire season.

      Perhaps you’re not comprehending my posts, maxchugg? I don’t blame you – I’ve stopped reading most of yours, twice. I don’t trust your sources of information in a similar way you don’t trust the ABC to be that rare thing – a news service that tells it like it is without pressure from big business.

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      Well Rupert Murdoch’s son James might have a thing or two to say about how big business influences governments, he had a lot to say the last couple of days about his dad and how he tackles Climate Change, he is not impressed, to say the least, James is not a Climate Denier it seems.

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      It seems they are trying to change the subject into “yeah, we’ve always believed in climate change” when really, they don’t want to change their policy or address our part in it in any way.

      Even maxchugg admits that climate change is real and quotes the Chief Scientist.
      max said (above) “Ross Garnaut predicted the 2020 fire season, did he? And what should we do? Reduce our emissions. Yet the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have virtually no effect on the climate.” So to reiterate, the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have some small effect on the climate. And if we added to that by also stopping digging up coal and stopped fracking CSG gas (which emits a lot of lost methane in the process, methane being 20 times more destructive than carbon dioxide emissions), AND we stopped selling that 4% of the world’s emissions overseas to be burnt there, we really CAN change things globally by our human behaviour in Australia.

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    And the press make it worse by letting firebugs know its a good day to light a fire. Already here they have arrested two blokees!!!!!!!

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      If we were at war the news media would give away the position of all our defence sites to the enemy. They already have in few instances.

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      Those caught need a fair catching a fair drumhead trial and a fair lynching…

      I say try ’em under Terrorism laws… give ’em 25 to life without..

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      28 charges in NSW for deliberately lighting/bushfire offences.

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      Sorry – 28 charged – some with multiple offences.

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      Arsonists should be incarcerated in low security gaols or mental institutions, for they are mentally ill. They need help and we need protection from them and the only way is to lock them up.

      They are often immature males who do this. They should be hit hard the very first time they’re caught and have their liberty denied until they realise their actions are a form of terrorism. This should be the case whether they destroy property and/or kill people/wildlife/livestock, or not. It’s not a game. Nip it in the bud, HARD.

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    The main thing is that at the moment the focus should be on the immediate risks and management of them. Criticisms of the government can wait until later. The main thing is to unite to fight the immediate problems and not add to these by having the government needing to spend precious time managing public sentiment. The fact you are on a family holiday doesn’t mean that you are not able to manage things. I can understand how as a family man you would be torn by the conflicting needs of the family and the need to come home. Let’s just focus for now on the immediate important issues.

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      The media and a certain other political party who is really just trying to take the heat off themselves should pull their head in and stop all this nonsense that is doing no one any good at all.

      PM had every right to go on holidays and even had the support of the opposition leader to do so.

      To those who badgered him to come home well shame on you.

      To the people of Cobargo who treated out PM so badly even their fire controller had to walk away in disgust shame on you too.

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      Shame on you too VeryNOTCaringBigBear, the people of Cobargo had every right to vent their anger, this Govt was warned months ago that more needed to be done to help fight fires and the request for meetings were ignored.

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      In the fire controller’s place I’d have walked away to let him handle it himself and not become involved.. a fire controller does not have total command over civilians…. we are not yet a nation of SchutzStaffeln ….. give us another two years or so…

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      Every time the government is criticised it cries “stop politicising the fires” when in fact, THEY are the ones who politicised action on climate change, dragging our whole country down with them. They’ve even got Labor wedged and towing their immoral line regarding digging up and burning fossil fuels, as if to continue burning them will not add to the problems in our atmosphere. How childish is it to believe that 1% of expert scientists are correct and 99% of them are deluded?

      The PM is entitled to a holiday with his family but where he totally neglected his duty happened months and years ago. He was that goose holding a chunk of coal in Parliament, was he not? He also ignored the fire chiefs months before this current, still unfolding disaster. Morrison is to blame, along with Abbott, Dutton, Clive Palmer, Craig Kelly, Murdochs, Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt, shockjock loudmouths, etc. People who voted for them are also to blame, knowing they snuffed the NEG for their fossil fuel field day. It’s biting the whole country on the bum now, as it was always going to. Was it worth selling your souls for 30 pieces of silver?

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      That’s the problem with this government, they have to understand, just because they have a right to do something, does not mean that it is right to do it.
      It seems some of us have higher expectations of the extraordinary men and women who volunteer for the Emergency Services than a man who is paid to be a Leader.
      He has been measured, and he has been found wanting, in so many different ways. He said to one journalist in one of his thoughtless rants that he did not hold a hose so there was no need to be here, how about being here to support those who do hold the hoses Prime Minister?
      SOOTY has had his chance and failed, not even the tried and true method of replacing the PM will save the Party this time, they have all backed his disastrous policies all the way. The only way to control this malignant growth is to excise the whole thing.

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    Appearing in a suit and tie amongst battle weary fieries and volunteers was not providing a good image of a leader who is understanding and compassionate.
    However
    My criticism of the authorities at this time is “too little too late”.
    A national disaster needs the leadership of someone like Peter(sir) Cosgrove. The leader needs to be battle tested and proven competent. The numerous committees arising from this disaster will be too busy posturing and seeking fame to be effective.
    The leader in this situation will need to be able to manage the power battle and keep a clear head when factions are screaming for recognition.
    Do we have anyone available?

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      OMG now you are even critical of the clothes Mr Morrison wears! FFS!!!

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      Yes the ex RFS wanted to meet with the authorities months ago to plan for these situations and were refused a meeting, too little too late is right.

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      Criticism is not helping anyone especially those doing their job. I certainly don’t want a PM with all airs and graces that really does nothing at all like so many we have had in the past.

      Mr Morrison had just been to a funeral and went straight to the fire ground as it was more important than going home to change his clothes. People of Cobargo didn’t deserve his visit they way they treated him.

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      .. nor does wanking it by wearing a firie outfit and helmet… look like you just leapt off the job and into the fray..

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      Advisor to Scotty:- “wear the scuffed shoes, shirt and pants, no tie, hair tousled, sleeves rolled up – and look like you’ve been doing something…”

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      Misty so you’re suggesting the current RFS/CFA Commissioners don’t know anything? I believe they would be the people needing to speak to the PM, not some has beens wanting to push their Climate Change agenda.
      VCBB according to the Cobargo publican those people harassing Morrison weren’t even residents of the town, they were only fringe dwellers. The actual residents didn’t get a chance to speak to the PM because of that rabble.

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      Gra – fringe dwellers are still people who live in the area… **rolls eyes** – they may choose a life in the trees to one in town – where do they vote in council elections?

      I thought Redneck attitudes were passe`..

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      Is Old Harry The Farmer from five mile down the road a ‘fringe dweller’ – or a ‘townie’?

      Jesus, people – it is the 21st Century… ‘ties to the community’ are nationwide…

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      So Gra are you suggesting that retired firefighters, who previously held senior positions and have had many years of fighting fires experience, don’t know what they are talking about?.

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      Yes I am well aware of who those people at Cobargo actually were as I have been in contact with some of the Cobargo residents.

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      So if you choose not to live in town, BB, you have no right to a say? They’re ‘hippies’ and such living in the bush, so they are a lesser class and do not have the same rights? That sounds like the idea that pensioners are a ‘lesser class’ than the glorious self fundeds…

      Told you about Redneck attitudes…

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      All I am saying is that these people are not representive of the community and the community is disgusted with their behaviour.

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      All I am saying is that these people are not representive of the community and the community is disgusted with their behaviour.

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      You do not speak for the whole community in Cobargo and surrounding area VCBB, neither do the few people you have spoken to, you or others do not know what the rest of the community there feel or think or are you psychic?.

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      At least this ongoing crisis has wiped that insufferable smirk off Morrison’s face.

      He showed great disrespect to those exhausted firefighters, by grabbing their left hands when they refused to shake with their right hands. No means no, doesn’t it?

      He swished into those fire-ravaged communities like he was the new Messiah, presuming everyone would want to shake his hand. He has no insight into just how angry people are with him, and with good reason. They didn’t vote for him. Every time he does something (or does nothing when he should be doing something) and says “This is what Australia voted for”, he doesn’t realise how alienating it is for all those people who didn’t vote for the LNP and it’s lackeys. Sure, it ticks all the boxes for the rusted on right wingers, but he doesn’t understand how infuriating it is for the rest of us. His belief in miracles doesn’t help Australia in any way.

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      Glad someone else see’s it like I do, for once the PM is looking serious which is the way a PM should look, hopefully it will shake him up enough to make the right changes, but I fear that this disaster will turn into another money spinner for his business mates just like the job providers for the unemployed who do nothing to help those unemployed other than demean them and try to take credit for jobs people get themselves.
      Many people who did not vote Labor or LNP voted “other” in the hope for change.

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