Which face mask should I wear?

Government advice on the wearing of face masks has changed. But which mask is best?

man wearing a face mask

Abrar Ahmad Chughtai, UNSW

Australia’s chief medical officer, Professor Paul Kelly, has recommended people in Melbourne and the Mitchell Shire wear masks when leaving the house:

[…] If people have symptoms and they need to go for a test, for example, which we would definitely encourage, they should wear a mask. Other people, where physical distancing cannot be guaranteed, they should also wear a mask in Melbourne and Mitchell Shire.

However, Prof. Kelly did not say wearing masks in public in these areas would be mandatory.

Prof. Kelly’s recommendation comes after growing concern it was time for people in affected parts of Victoria to wear masks in public, when physical distancing was not possible, and with rates of community transmission rising.

The different ways to cover your face
There are many different ways to cover your face to protect against infectious diseases, whether that’s with a bought surgical mask, one you make yourself out of cloth, or with a scarf or bandana. Each type has its pros and cons.

The idea is not only to protect other people if you have the coronavirus, but also to protect yourself from catching the virus from other people.

A surgical mask can do both, with the latest evidence coming from a major review of evidence so far of the effectiveness of a range of masks, including surgical and cloth masks.

The evidence prompted the World Health Organisation to strengthen its advice on people wearing masks in public where physical distancing wasn’t possible and where community transmission was high.

No type of mask provides perfect protection. How well a mask filters out droplets from coughs and sneezes carrying the coronavirus depends on a variety of factors, including the nature of the mask itself and how it’s used.

For the public, the two major options are a surgical mask (also known as a medical mask) or a cloth mask. While you can buy respirators (known as N95 masks), these should really be reserved for health professionals.

Surgical masks

Surgical (or medical) masks are the ones to aim for. But there are other options. from www.shutterstock.com

This is the type you not only see surgeons wear in hospital, but are being worn by the public in the community. They are generally blue or green. Put them on by holding by the ear loops and hooking over the ears. Make sure you cover the nose, and pull them down under the chin (see diagram below for the correct procedure of putting on and taking off a mask). Pinch the bridge to ensure a good seal around the top of the nose.

You can buy these online, or from a pharmacy, and are relatively cheap.

Many studies show surgical masks are better filters of particles from coughs and sneezes than cloth masks. You’re also less likely to get infected when wearing a surgical mask compared with a cloth mask.

Cloth masks

Cloth masks are the next best thing and you can make them at home. from www.shutterstock.com

If you cannot find a surgical mask, then you can use a cloth mask, which people have used throughout history to protect themselves from various respiratory infections. You can either buy one ready made or make one yourself.

While it’s generally accepted cloth masks don’t do as good a job at filtering out particles from coughs and sneezes as surgical masks, new evidence shows there are several things to look out for when choosing or making a cloth mask:

  • use two or three layers of fabric
  • choose fabric with a high thread count (so a tighter weave, for instance from a good quality sheet is generally better than a fabric with a looser weave that you can clearly see light through)
  • fabrics made with more than one type of thread (for instance cotton–silk, cotton–chiffon, or cotton–flannel) may be good choices because they provide better filtration and are more comfortable to wear
  • make sure any cloth mask fits well and seals around the face.

While in an ideal world, we should wait for high quality evidence from robust trials before implementing public health measures, we also need to be pragmatic.

During the current COVID-19 pandemic, not a single country was able to manage the supply of face masks. That’s why cloth masks are an option for the public.

Cloth masks have the added advantage of not depleting stocks meant for health workers and can be re-used. You can wash them with soap and water or household detergents, or preferably in a washing machine. Put the mask somewhere isolated until you can wash it.

Wearing a scarf or bandana

Wearing a bandana around your face should be a last resort. from www.shutterstock.com

Wearing a bandana or scarf around your face should be a last resort. That’s because it’s hard to get a good fit around your face and the cloth they are usually made from tends to have a loose weave. There have also been no studies to show they work.

But with many cases of COVID-19 arising without symptoms, a bandana or scarf may provide some protection and prevent spread of infection from sick people.

How to put on and take off a mask
Whichever mask you use, it’s important you put it on, take it off and dispose of it correctly, otherwise you risk contaminating your hands and spreading the virus further.

Yes, this is a major shift
Wearing a mask in public is more common in Asia, and it’s compulsory in other parts of the world during the COVID-19 pandemic.

But for most Australians, wearing a mask in public will be a major shift in how they go about their daily lives.

Remember, this latest advice is only for parts of Australia where there are high rates of community transmission. And this needs to be combined with other interventions, like physical distancing and washing your hands.

There is no need for everyone to wear masks in public in other parts of the country where there are only a few locally transmitted cases, most cases are imported, and the risk of catching the virus is low.The Conversation

Abrar Ahmad Chughtai, Epidemiologist, UNSW

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons licence. Read the original article.

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    Susanne
    13th Jul 2020
    3:58pm
    What about the face shield? It looks to me a more comfortable option
    Janus
    13th Jul 2020
    4:22pm
    Suzanne, a face shield stops people coughing or sneezing into your face, but if you are that close, and the person has such symptoms, you are breathing in their breath anyway, and what the heck are you doing!!!?? Move quickly in the direction of AWAY!

    Masks are hot, dirty, easily contaminated and need to be changed frequently. Untrained people can actually make spreading infection worse IF they have an infection and wear a mask. If they are cheap, they are probably not very effective.

    If, as in most of Oz, there are no detections, then masks are a waste of resources, except that they give psychologial help to those who need that. It is easy to read the above article, which says it all, but then only cherry pick the bits you want to read. If you want protection, leave the city crowds, avoid avoid avoid people. No pubs, clubs, crowds. busses or trains. Go to the shops early or late. Become a hermit.

    Masks are a last resort, and this article shows us how nasty the situation is getting. Lots of IFs here, but it is not a simple matter.

    Good luck to you.
    Ollie
    13th Jul 2020
    4:46pm
    I have been wearing a mask since this began. My doctor advised me to wear one as I have COPD and am a likely candidate. Having said that, I only go out to go to the doctor as my son does my shopping. I must admit to shopping this last week as it was my husband’s birthday and I wished to buy special ingredients. However, I know where things are in my Coles supermarket and I was in and out in a flash. I also use tap and go to pay. I do feel for young families, it must be very hard for them at this time. Ellie
    Laura52
    13th Jul 2020
    8:17pm
    Me too Ollie and I was advised the same thing and being a carer for mum and dad and was a front line health worker, until I lost my job. You sound like a very caring person. I literally run in and out of then shops and avoid people more than 1.5 m!
    MarLin
    13th Jul 2020
    5:03pm
    Getting a bit fed up of the ongoing debate about face masks. As I've already posted on 2 previous articles, we wear face masks all the time here in Vietnam because of airborne bacteria - mainly from all the motorbikes, but also many other sources.
    I ride a pushbike every day for exercise and suffered badly many years ago from ulcers inside the mouth - very painful! I've worn a face mask ever since, and love the feeling of security it brings!
    Still 0 Covid deaths in VN from 95 million population (yes, that's a big, fat ZERO, folks!) and this country has very poor health infrastructure (the whole country is very poor, relatively speaking), so what did they do to achieve such a brilliant result? The authorities told everyone to stay home, and wear a face mask if they absolutely had to go out for medical reasons, food, or other essentials.
    So what did the entire population do? They stayed home and wore face masks if they had to go out for essential reasons, of course! And no one even thought to question what 'type' of mask to wear - we all continued wearing the surgical masks we've been wearing for years! I rest my case.
    libsareliars
    13th Jul 2020
    5:09pm
    Great reply MarLin, sounds like people in Vietnam are way more sensible than us over here in Oz. Some people here still think it all a hoax!!! If only people would listen to the experts not some crank pot radio host or tv presenter.
    MarLin
    13th Jul 2020
    5:28pm
    Thanks, libsareliars - and I hate to say it but I think it goes even further than just being sensible. Most VNs have faith that their gov't will keep its word, so when told that staying home and/or wearing face masks would help them avoid the virus (which would be devastating in this country because there's nothing to stop it spreading), they responded immediately.
    Since then, we've been reading almost daily about those 'self-entitled' westerners who refuse to wear a mask for so many reasons - but I have to wonder if their underlying reason is perhaps mistrust of the government. I mean, would you trust Peter Dutton if he told you a mask would save you? I'd throw mine away without a second thought... :))
    Laura52
    13th Jul 2020
    8:15pm
    Marlin, I so hear you about the ongoing issue of masks....and am over it too. I wrote about masks in so many posts on Life choices that it is becoming ad nauseam...Thank you again for posting your on point comment, cheers:)
    greenie
    13th Jul 2020
    11:33pm
    You recognise that there are bacteria in the air which your mask should help trap - good!
    However motorbikes emit particulates, which your mask will help filter before your lungs, but their engines do not emit bacteria!
    MarLin
    14th Jul 2020
    9:45am
    Bacteria or particulates, who cares about semantics - if you get a lungful of motorbike exhaust smoke in a traffic jam you'll wish you were wearing your face mask!
    greenie
    13th Jul 2020
    6:08pm
    No virus can be filtered by any mask as the virus is so very tiny. This is why any mask is useless.
    Brissiegirl
    13th Jul 2020
    6:47pm
    Just curious...if masks do not filter any virus, why do covid doctors and nurses wear masks?
    MarLin
    13th Jul 2020
    7:53pm
    I give up Greenie. You probably support the orange retard over in USA as well!!!
    Laura52
    13th Jul 2020
    8:12pm
    Good point Brissiegirl. But then why do operating room surgeons wear mask...imagine being operated on by non masked medical staff in a small operating room....
    Pardelope
    14th Jul 2020
    1:41pm
    +I think the fact a person is wearing a mask might remind them not to keep touching their face. On the other hand, I think wearing a mask gives some people a false sense of security - and encourages them to ignore safe distancing rules.
    MarLin
    14th Jul 2020
    4:58pm
    Well we can't blame govt's for people's stupidity or lack of self-discipline - the Oz gov't never pushed the value of masks at the beginning because they didn't have any (so much for 'being prepared'), but to their credit they've always emphasised the need to wash hands before and after touching anything, staying home when possible and social distancing when not.
    And now most govt's are finally spruiking the value of masks (because they've managed to make or buy some at last!), so if some citizens can't stop themselves becoming complacent in the middle of the biggest health threat most of us have ever experienced, then they have only themselves to blame...
    Steff
    13th Jul 2020
    7:20pm
    Just a symbol of submission.A total waste of time
    MarLin
    13th Jul 2020
    7:57pm
    'Symbol of submission' - oh boy, that's a new one for all the conspiracy theorists out there! Bit too entitled to wear something as 'degrading' as a face mask are we, Steff? Good luck - and even better luck to anyone coming in contact with you!
    Laura52
    13th Jul 2020
    8:10pm
    Wow....I can't even respond to this comment of submission. I guess surgeons ( doctors who operate on people) ICU specialists, acute care nurses, nurses and doctors on the hospital wards, paradmedics, aged care workers....are wasting their time wearing masks, right??????
    older&wiser
    13th Jul 2020
    10:21pm
    I have to wear a mask and gloves to visit my elderly aunt in her aged care home. But none of the staff, or the security guards (Yes, uniformed security guards), wear them. None.
    MarLin
    13th Jul 2020
    10:45pm
    Maybe they can't read so don't know about the previous outbreaks in aged care homes? Or maybe the aged care home wants to save money instead of lives? Or maybe they all think the guards' uniforms will do the job of a face mask? I think I'd be having a word with management if it was my elderly aunt...
    greenie
    13th Jul 2020
    11:26pm
    Nobody here heard of BACTERIA?
    Bacteria are living organisms which are HUGE compared to a virus which is not really alive and cannot be seen with an optical microscope. Surgical masks can therefore trap bacteria which are more prevalent in our environment, on our skin, in the air we breathe, in our gut etc. and can cause much trouble with infection if introduced into a wound or surgical incision.
    Therefor masks can trap bacteria, BUT NOT FILTER OUT VIRUSES.
    Also consider the air gaps around the masks and the skin where all viruses, and anything and everything else in the air can more easily enter as the air flow is not impeded.
    I rest my case.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2020
    8:45am
    Ever heard of BACTERIA?... they are HUGE living organisms.

    By Dr. Richard Cranium
    MarLin
    14th Jul 2020
    9:56am
    Some naysayers will continue to find reasons NOT to wear face masks, when the experiences of the last several months all over the world clearly point to their efficacy compared to wearing nothing at all. Why can't you just give up the silly arguments and tell the truth - that you feel too entitled to have to decorate your delicate visage with something as grotesque as a mask!
    Meanwhile, there are 95 million of us in Vietnam all happy to wear face masks because we've been wearing them since long before CV-19 hit these shores and have still not caused a single death!
    So take your pick - but choose carefully because it's a life and death choice you're making, and not necessarily your own: a mask protects others from you as well as you from them!
    Maggie
    15th Jul 2020
    6:40pm
    Thank God you are wrong Greenie. Evidence: the number of doctors, nurses and other frontline workers who are still alive after working with virus sick and dying people. And all of the Vietnamese people who have listened to instructions.
    They are not by any means all young, perfectly healthy people.
    People like you are actually a danger to society. Sadly there will always be people who will listen to this claptrap
    Tis only me
    14th Jul 2020
    11:12am
    MarLin, absolute GOLD! Totally agree with everything you've said. Entitled idiots who care not for anyone but themselves - ooohhhh I don't like wearing a mask, my free choice blah blah blah! My son was feeling unwell and lined up for a COVID test (negative result thankfully), but even in the line of people waiting to be tested, masks were few and physical distancing not being adhered to. I despair!
    MarLin
    14th Jul 2020
    11:27am
    Thanks Tis only me - I absolutely despair at the idiotic arguments against something so simple and straightforward as wearing a face mask. It's like the old 'Who left the cap off the toothpaste?' argument - it's not the real argument at all: the real argument is that people just don't want to be inconvenienced by doing something they're not used to, poor things!
    Even that is understandable to a degree - but when you look at the number of deaths out there, it surely makes no sense to continue arguing against professional health advice (please ignore politicians - they only ever say what they think we all want to hear).
    As I said on this forum in an earlier post - even a piece of paper in front of your face is better than nothing at all. And a face mask is much better than a piece of paper!
    Sen.Cit.90
    14th Jul 2020
    4:28pm
    I recently read that scientists tested sanitising face masks in the microwave oven and tests proved successful. I must search my internet and find the article on how. I recall a basin with water with cheesecloth on top and the face mask on this.
    MarLin
    14th Jul 2020
    5:00pm
    Don't torture yourself, Sen.Cit.90 - you can wash fabric masks, and/or replace damp surgical masks after use.
    Sen.Cit.90
    14th Jul 2020
    5:13pm
    Thanks, for your comment MariLin,
    N.B. I've just looked-up... 'face mask microwave coronavirus'... and found many articles on the subject. Be careful if you attempt to microwave a mask with a metal strip and be extra careful the mask does not catch on fire.
    MarLin
    14th Jul 2020
    8:27pm
    Thanks SC90 - but you worry me when talking about microwaving masks, it sounds like yet another conspiracy theory! If you read the article again, you'll hopefully see the bit that says, "Cloth masks have the added advantage of not depleting stocks meant for health workers and can be re-used. You can wash them with soap and water or household detergents, or preferably in a washing machine..."
    My wife and our niece living with us here in Vietnam wear cloth masks and wash them every night and wear different masks the following day so they're always fresh and clean.
    I wear my surgical mask all day every day if outside , and then again the following day ad infinitum until it clearly needs to be replaced - although I know it's recommended that we replace them every time after use. If I was more confident that the gov't wouldn't sell its mask stock to those unprepared countries who don't have any but are willing to pay big money to hide their culpability (stand up, Mr Trump!), I'd replace mine every day as well.
    In the meantime, my credo is "any mask is better than no mask"! (but please dump that microwave thinking, SC90 - it's scary stuff...).
    Chris B T
    15th Jul 2020
    10:27am
    Wearing of Mask's can have a Problem When Entering Banks,Post Office,Credit Unions etc.
    A prominent Sign To Remove Facial Covering when Entering.
    The other is acquiring Masks as there is limited supply/Price gouging.
    The appropriate Mask to surgical type/quality and not just a Dust Mask.
    Good to Mandate but who is Supplying Appropriate Mask if this happens.
    MarLin
    15th Jul 2020
    10:59am
    I'm sure there are many reasons not to wear a mask if you really want to look for them.
    But given the growing evidence that masks do indeed help as part of the overall defence system (hygiene, distancing, common sense, etc), why would anyone bother to look for a reason not to wear a mask when everyone with at least half a brain would/should be doing exactly the opposite!
    Chris B T
    15th Jul 2020
    12:31pm
    Do you sell Masks, if you haven't notice it's like the "Toilet Paper Syndrome"
    Well and good to mouth off, without a "Appropriate Mask" who are you kidding.
    MarLin
    15th Jul 2020
    1:24pm
    And that's precisely why the politicians have never promoted masks - they didn't bother to prepare, despite being warned years ago.
    But if you still can't find one, there are many self-help articles showing you how to make one - or read the article that we're commenting on because it tells you that even a face scarf/bandana is better than nothing.
    It's up to you - keep finding excuses, or do something positive to help get through a situation that's clearly more serious than most people are prepared to admit (denial?).
    Farside
    15th Jul 2020
    2:09pm
    MarLin, I am also not surprised there is no forthcoming explanation from the responsible Minister (is it Dutton?) as to why the national stockpile was incomplete. It comes as no shock either given stocks of other strategic items like diesel and petrol fuel are well short of the stipulated levels. I must say your continuing interest in this matter is remarkable. I cannot imagine circumstances that I would similarly participate in an equivalent online forum in Vietnam.
    Chris B T
    15th Jul 2020
    2:30pm
    No excuses as Other Epidemiologists have Stated False Sense of Security/Protection with under Performing and Misusing Product.
    If Masks are Mandated where I live and I might add Mask Supplies are Hard To come by plus Price Gouging. The Country would be "STUFFED" (Toilet Paper now Mask Syndrome)
    Masks have a place, just as social distancing has.
    Those who live In "Hot Spots" would be a concern.
    MarLin
    15th Jul 2020
    6:12pm
    Farside - I just feel so lucky being in Vietnam where the people do what they're told without claiming that someone's infringing their 'rights'; they have absolutely NO sense of 'entitlement' whatsoever - they think themselves lucky to have anything at all. So I'm trying to get the point across to those in western society who simply can't understand why people would behave like that. People like Chris B T and others who will always find a way to do what THEY want, despite it not necessarily being for the common good, could learn a lot from the Vietnamese culture.
    Chris B T - you're right: masks DO have a place. On your face!!! :))
    Chris B T
    16th Jul 2020
    9:14am
    Marlin
    Which country has the highest Covid 19 per Population.("Vietnamese Culture" your comment)
    If you think wearing a Mask is going to save you ask the families of Dead Hospital Staff that had such Protection.
    Like I said where I live in the Regional Area (low population) if Masks are Mandated The Country would be "STUFFED" not for not wearing Masks because the Virus is out of Control before that requirement was made. Wear what you like, avoidance/social distancing still best option.
    This is not my opinion only, epidemiologists are stating same.
    MarLin
    16th Jul 2020
    9:56am
    Not sure why you're asking "Which country has the highest Covid 19 per Population", CBT - but as of this morning Vietnam, with 95 million population, has had a TOTAL of 381 CV-19 infections since the outset, of whom 353 have recovered and 18 are in quarantine, with 0 deaths. Not sure if that's the best result in the world, but certainly a lot better than most western societies including Australia. Why? Because we stayed home when we could (and still do), and wore/wear face masks when we had to go outside. No misguided sense of entitlement in this country - everyone's grateful for small mercies!
    If you choose not to wear a mask, that's your problem - but please don't try and convince others to follow your lead because Australia's death toll is high enough without people like you making it worse!
    Farside
    16th Jul 2020
    11:28am
    Vietnam is not Australia, and it is indeed fortunate Vietnam is reporting only 381 cases of covid infections given standards of health care and life expectancy in VIetnam.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/coronavirus-vietnam-no-deaths-success-in-south-east-asia/12237314
    MarLin
    16th Jul 2020
    12:15pm
    That's correct, Farside - VN is certainly not Australia. But the ability/willingness of its people to do the right thing seems to have left most people in so-called 'developed nations' far behind!
    We arrived here on 2 February, just a couple of weeks before the virus was declared pandemic and borders began closing (VN was among the first, if not THE first), so while it was initially an unexpected inconvenience, we're now very happy to be here and not in Australia - especially when you read some of the excuses and arguments on this and similar public forums. Did you read the earlier post from someone who called mask-wearing 'a symbol of submission' and 'total waste of time'? Oh dear...
    Farside
    16th Jul 2020
    1:08pm
    hopefully those people who think masks are a symbol of submission and waste of time will be defiant to the end and refuse to go to hospital. Meanwhile they will think those not sharing their particular perspectives are just as unknowing.
    MarLin
    16th Jul 2020
    1:40pm
    :))
    greenie
    15th Jul 2020
    6:49pm
    Just returned from a visit to the chemist and on my tour saw that most people with masks had the most ridiculous masks possible. Most were obviously dust masks, which MarLin hopes will filter out the virus, and none were even properly fitted tight masks so that all breaths can and will just go down through the gap between the nose and cheek thus rendering them useless and false security.
    MarLin
    15th Jul 2020
    8:52pm
    Don't be ridiculous, greenie - I don't "hope" anything; I'm living in a country of 95 million people who don't feel so 'entitled' that they refuse to follow advice from health professionals - so we stay home most of the time and wear masks and practise social distancing if we have to go out. Result: nearly six months since the outbreak and not one single death from CV-19 in this country - repeat after me, greenie: Z-E-R-O, nil, nada, zilch!!!
    Perhaps if people felt a little less 'entitled' in Australia and/or stopped looking for reasons to avoid things they find not to their liking there wouldn't be so much hysteria around the lockdowns, etc that we read about every day! And maybe a lot of people would still be alive - who knows? So here's another one for you, greenie - repeat after me again: "Any mask is better than no mask - and it doesn't take a genius to make sure it fits properly"!!!
    Farside
    16th Jul 2020
    11:31am
    greenie, the masks do not have to be perfect to help mitigate spread. Any mask that disrupts airflow will reduce potential for infected people to spread viral droplets and aerosols. Admittedly they will be less effective at reducing potential to catch the infection, but 30-70% is better than nothing.
    Incognito
    16th Jul 2020
    3:22am
    I think the evidence that face masks work needs more research, I prefer to stay home and keep my distance, but then we do not have any cases where I live so I won't be wearing a mask, here is an article that talks about wearing masks:
    One of the COVID assumptions that many are still clinging to is that it is 'respectful' to wear masks because masks protect healthy individuals from getting sick from viruses. This is patently false. As covered in the previous article Unmasking the Truth: Studies Show Dehumanizing Masks Weaken You and Don't Protect You, masks are designed for surgeons or people who are already sick, not for healthy people. They stop sick people spreading a disease through large respiratory droplets; they do nothing to protect well people. In fact, they restrict oxygen flow leading to under-oxygenation (hypoxia), which in turns leads to fatigue, weakness and a lower immunity. With a lower immunity comes … more susceptibility to disease. As I previously wrote, the masks many people are wearing - homemade from cloth - are a joke if you think they will stop a virus which is measured in nanometers (nanometer = 10-9 meters, or 0.000000001 meters). They won't stop a virus but they will assuredly become a hotbed for microbes to develop due to the warm and humid conditions. For the scientifically minded, here's what Dr. Russell Blaylock had to say:

    "The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte. This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome."
    MarLin
    16th Jul 2020
    10:02am
    Good grief - more conspiracy theories! Tell that to the 95 million Vietnamese who mostly wear masks every day, Incognito. According to that rubbish you're quoting above, they should all be dropping like flies, but they're not: as of 8am today, Vietnam has experienced 381 CV-19 infections, of whom 353 have recovered - and 0 (ZER0) deaths!
    Farside
    16th Jul 2020
    11:45am
    Incognito, do yourself a favour and read the WHO latest guidance on masks. It has links to the evidence. Nobody is getting hypoxia from wearing a surgical mask nor is anybody claiming near 100% effective for protection (for that you need a respirator). Even tho masks are 30-70% effective it is still better than nothing if you cannot socially distance in high risk spaces. Me, I stay in the country where this is not an issue.

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks&publication=rational-use-of-personal-protective-equipment-for-coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-and-considerations-during-severe-shortages
    Incognito
    16th Jul 2020
    4:35pm
    Just put it up for interest sake, I am in rural area too and keeping my distance. I am not going to any high risk or crowded places.
    Where are all these masks being made? China? Are they chemical free? I still have many questions which I cannot find answers to.
    MarLin
    16th Jul 2020
    5:07pm
    Many masks being made in Oz now (finally!). Latest recommendations are surgical masks if possible, fabric if not - even a bandanna will keep some bad stuff out. Anything is better than nothing - no need to get into minute detail, just cover your mouth and nose if you go outside, especially in company of others.
    Sophie
    16th Jul 2020
    12:07pm
    To all the sceptics, critics, rejectionists and wanna be individualists…soon you won’t have a problem when the Government mandates the wearing of face masks…which they should have done a long time ago.

    For the really smart ones who care not only for their own family’s health and their own, but also for the rest of the community…surgical masks can be used continuously for seven hours before needing to be discarded. Therefore wearing only when you need to is a good way to go about it. The “experts” also say when damp, the masks can be hung out in the sun for 24 hours and worn again. A properly made cloth face mask is the second best option and can be washed time and time again.

    Nothing is 110% infallible, however, wearing a mask, practising social distancing and observing hand hygiene, is the way to go.


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    MarLin
    16th Jul 2020
    12:19pm
    Wow, common sense on this forum - I was beginning to despair! "Hear Hear, Sophie" - well said!
    Incognito
    16th Jul 2020
    4:38pm
    Can you tell me where you are getting your information from?, I missed that about being able to wear it for 7 hours, what type of mask are we talking about and are they chemical free? because if they are made in China I doubt it.
    MarLin
    17th Jul 2020
    9:54am
    See my reply to your comment above, Incognito. Stop stressing about the detail and just cover your mouth and nose if you have to go outside - especially if other people around.
    Wiseowl
    17th Jul 2020
    1:41am
    In Italy where the population was swamped with infections in the Lombardy region, people were ordered to wear face masks from day one and they are still required to wear them if they go outside their house, they were forbidden to leave their houses unless for medical appointments, to buy medicines or food. This drastic lock down has helped to bring the pandemic under control in that country. An interesting comparison is the USA where there have been no restrictions at all and we are seeing their number of infections and deaths still raging out of control. It makes for an interesting comparison of how these two countries have handled/managed this demon.
    MarLin
    17th Jul 2020
    10:25am
    And now finally we begin to see the light in Australia. There's far too much unnecessary detail in this article, imo, but at least it's sending out the right message: WEAR A MASK!
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/07/17/best-masks-australia-coronavirus/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200717
    Incognito
    17th Jul 2020
    8:45pm
    I noticed there seems to be specially made ones for the elite,all in black (a power colour), while they expect everyone else to wear the cheap Chinese made versions. Masks should not be made mandatory until the Goverment supplies them free, many people cannot even afford enough food on the table.
    MarLin
    17th Jul 2020
    9:24pm
    Hate to state the obvious, Incognito, but a lot of people won't need any food if they don't stop obfuscating and start wearing masks!!!
    Farside
    17th Jul 2020
    11:33pm
    Store-bought cloth or surgical masks are an option but there is also the satisfaction which can come from making your own.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/how-to-make-a-mask-coronavirus-covid19-australia/12444996
    Incognito
    17th Jul 2020
    11:47pm
    Not all of us have the ability to sew, but yes it is a good option if you know where to get the correct materials and you have a sewing machine.

    Was thinking those people who started the Boomerang bags when supermarkets went plastic bag free should start making masks.

    Watching The Virus on ABC tonight it was mentioned that keeping the distance is still the priority and it is more important to wear masks indoors because droplets can hang around.
    Wiseowl
    18th Jul 2020
    3:24am
    Incognito, This virus malady caught the health professionals worldwide by surprise and they did not know very much about its behavior. They are now telling us they suspect that the "droplets" when people speak, cough or sneeze spread like an aerosol effect - that is why it is so dangerous. The droplets are microscopic and if you happen to be walking past another person - even out in the open - and that person has just coughed, sneezed or is talking they could be shedding the "droplets" into the air, therefore, even social distancing may not always work because the "droplets" hang around in the air and people can inhale them. If a face mask is worn, it will to some extent protect a person from inhaling the "droplets".
    Incognito
    18th Jul 2020
    2:59pm
    "they suspect" is not very convincing, we need solid evidence,and I wonder why they are not providing us with the studies and peer reviews?
    I still prefer to keep my distance, no one is wearing masks where I live, but we have a lot of space.
    Farside
    18th Jul 2020
    10:48pm
    there is still not definitive proof transmission happens via aerosols however WHO has not ruled out the likelihood on the strength of the clinical and observable evidence and so changed its guidance on this matter. The research is out there if you are prepared to look. As Richard Corsi, one of the 239 scientist that signed open letter to the WHO said “The debate over whether the airborne transmission route occurs is over. Many of us have claimed its relevance from very early in this pandemic. It was real then. It is real now. Period.”

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Siddhartha_Verma2/publication/342571914_Visualizing_the_effectiveness_of_face_masks_in_obstructing_respiratory_jets/links/5efba12492851c52d60c7d0f/Visualizing-the-effectiveness-of-face-masks-in-obstructing-respiratory-jets.pdf

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079986/does-air-con-help-spread-coronavirus-chinese-study-3-families

    https://academic.oup.com/cid/article-pdf/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa939/33478095/ciaa939.pdf
    Incognito
    18th Jul 2020
    11:49pm
    I do not doubt that it spreads via droplets in the air especially within familys that are in close proximity all the time, I question whether the actual face masks prevent catching it, what about eyes and ears, and why are health care workers catching it?
    Thanks for the links, will check them out.
    Sophie
    18th Jul 2020
    1:07pm
    .



    One does not need a sewing machine to make a mask at home. All you need is a sheet of tightly woven cotton…of 600 threads per inch. One can also use two sheets of chiffon, polyester and spandex, seemed to make the most effective combination, filtering out 80–99% of the particles, depending on their size…say the researchers.

    Researchers suggest that the performance of this combination is comparable to that of N95 masks, which are used by healthcare professionals. They explain that combinations involving a fabric with a tight weave, such as cotton, and one that can hold a static charge, such as silk, are likely effective because they provide a double barrier: mechanical and electrostatic.

    Below is a video how to make a mask without sewing which can be a guide to anyone interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPx1yqvJgf4

    .
    Incognito
    18th Jul 2020
    3:00pm
    "Researchers suggest" does that mean we still do not have the evidence? Where are the studies and peer reviews? I cannot find anything other than so called experts suggesting.
    MarLin
    18th Jul 2020
    3:15pm
    Good grief, Incognito - go back to the beginning and read my post about managing the virus in Vietnam and please stop asking the same questions ad nauseam!
    Here it is again, just for you: "Getting a bit fed up of the ongoing debate about face masks. As I've already posted on 2 previous articles, we wear face masks all the time here in Vietnam because of airborne bacteria - mainly from all the motorbikes, but also many other sources.
    I ride a pushbike every day for exercise and suffered badly many years ago from ulcers inside the mouth - very painful! I've worn a face mask ever since, and love the feeling of security it brings!
    Still 0 Covid deaths in VN from 95 million population (yes, that's a big, fat ZERO, folks!) and this country has very poor health infrastructure (the whole country is very poor, relatively speaking), so what did they do to achieve such a brilliant result? The authorities told everyone to stay home, and wear a face mask if they absolutely had to go out for medical reasons, food, or other essentials.
    So what did the entire population do? They stayed home and wore face masks if they had to go out for essential reasons, of course! And no one even thought to question what 'type' of mask to wear - we all continued wearing the surgical masks we've been wearing for years! I rest my case."
    And as subsequently posted, you can also wear fabric masks if you can't get the surgical variety - or even tie a bandana around your face. Do whatever you like, Incognito - but PLEASE stop questioning everyone who tries to help you. Do it or don't do it - your choice!
    Incognito
    18th Jul 2020
    3:34pm
    I am not questioning everyone, I merely ask where is the real evidence?. I am choosing to stay home as much as possible, do I have to keep repeating myself?

    And how do you know for sure Vietnam is not hiding their cases of covid?

    And by the way, droplets can enter via your ears and eyes too, possibly why hospital staff are still contracting despite all their PPE gear.
    MarLin
    18th Jul 2020
    3:54pm
    Yes, I'm sure you're right about everything, Incognito (NOT) - and I'm sure Vietnam must be hiding their cases (even though all hospitals and clinics continue to operate normally) - and I'm sure they'll be making masks soon to cover everyone's ears and eyes. Good grief!
    If you don't want to do something you'll always find a way not to do it - and that's your prerogative, I suppose, but I don't want to share the silliness so am now asking YLC to stop telling me about new posts on this thread - thanks for ruining my day, and have a good life!
    Sophie
    18th Jul 2020
    11:51pm
    '
    Hi MarLin..do as most do..ignore, ignore, ignore. A response to this person is not worth it. Follow this link which might give you some insight as to why this poster is such a pain in the derriere. Read the opening post. Have a pleasant evening!

    https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/the_meeting_place/post/will-you-regret-anything-when-you-die

    .
    Incognito
    19th Jul 2020
    12:12am
    What has that got to do with anything, you just don't like me questioning things do you Sophie? Masks are not protecting health care workers are they? I still prefer to keep my distance because the research says that is still the best protection, and staying home is the best you can do which is what I am doing and have been since it all started.99% of the time I am home except for exercising outdoors which I am keeping my distance from others. I shop online too and they leave my shopping at my door, no signing for anything these days. So that is my advice, do not wear masks thinking it will protect you fully, you are risking going out at all if you have cases in your area.
    MarLin
    19th Jul 2020
    11:49am
    OMG! Thanks Sophie - this Incognito is just a deadset nutter with nothing else to do in life but keep harping on the same topic over and over until he/she wears everyone else out and then (no doubt) claims 'victory'! And that's why I'm outta here - madness is catching and life's too short! :))
    Farside
    19th Jul 2020
    12:13pm
    Incognito, wearing a mask or face covering is more about protecting others than protecting than wearer. After months of coverage on masks, only those most deaf to processing information would believe wearing a mask is about protecting the wearer. This is why the CHO and others are not labouring the point about handling a contaminated mask except to wash hands before and after. But if you continue to stay home isolated from others then mask wearing is a moot point.
    Anonymous
    19th Jul 2020
    12:30pm
    Thanks MarLin for your common sense posting and Sophie for her heads up on thennutter.
    Incognito
    19th Jul 2020
    7:38pm
    So we have resorted to name calling now? Just because I am seeking evidence of mask wearing as protecting us from covid 19. This is in the best interest of everyone. We are been giving a false sense of protection when the best protection is distance, STAY HOME!!
    Please provide me with evidence that masks work, if you can breath through a mask you can still breath droplets infected by covid, makes sense to me.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2020
    12:04pm
    Dan Andrews earlier : "If you are out of your home for one of the four permitted reasons, then you need to be wearing a mask and I stress or a face coverings. It need not be a hospital-grade mask, it'd not be one of the handmade masks like I was wearing when I came in today. It can be a scarf, it can be a homemade mask."

    Somewhere in Vietnam, MarLin doing a happy dance "go Melbourne, go Melbourne"
    MarLin
    19th Jul 2020
    12:15pm
    No, just exhaling loudly with exasperation, Farside! I mean, honestly - should it really take this long for such a simple message to penetrate supposedly educated/intelligent minds!!!
    Sophie
    19th Jul 2020
    2:34pm
    .

    On 16th July, this is what I wrote….

    “To all the sceptics, critics, rejectionists and wanna be individualists…soon you won’t have a problem when the Government mandates the wearing of face masks…which they should have done a long time ago.”

    Am I a psychic? No, just someone who thinks it is the most intelligent thing to do to help curb infection. Melbourne has now made wearing of masks mandatory from Wednesday.
    Soon NSW and other states will follow…sooner the better.

    .
    MarLin
    19th Jul 2020
    2:50pm
    Yes indeed Sophie - I can't for the life of me understand why it wasn't done at the outset: how many lives could have been saved if the mandated rules for handling viral pandemics from Day 1 included at least: close national borders; require citizens to stay home unless essential eg medical supplies, food, essential work; distribute hand sanitizer in all public places; widespread communication of need to wash hands before and after touching anything; wear face masks in public places; maintain social distancing (min. 2 metres); close all non-essential places (incl. businesses) where more than a few people are likely to gather, etc.
    They did all that in Vietnam from early February and still only 380+ infections total and 0 deaths! The difference is that they had to, because they don't have the billions of dollars to throw at pandemics like many western societies. But in this case, it's obvious that "need" has far outweighed "greed" - with so many western govt's being pressured by big business to re-open "for the sake of the economy".
    Result: lots of dead rich people in affluent 'entitled' countries; lots of live poor people in others. I know which one I prefer...
    Incognito
    19th Jul 2020
    7:40pm
    If you can breath you through your mask you can breath droplets affected by the virus:

    Not a single randomized controlled trial with verified outcome has been able to detect a statistically significant advantage of wearing a mask versus not wearing a mask, when it comes to preventing infectious viral illnessIf there were any significant advantage to wearing a mask to reduce infection risk to either the wearer or others in the vicinity, then it would have been detected in at least one of these trials, yet there's no sign of such a benefitThere is no evidence that masks are of any utility for preventing infection by either stopping the aerosol particles from coming out, or from going in. You're not helping the people around you by wearing a mask, and you're not helping yourself avoid the disease by wearing a maskInfectious viral respiratory diseases primarily spread via very fine aerosol particles that are in suspension in the air. Any mask that allows you to breathe therefore allows for transmission of aerosolized virusesAll-cause mortality data are not affected by reporting bias. A detailed study of the current data of all-cause mortality shows the all-cause mortality this past winter was no different, statistically, from previous decades. COVID-19 is not a killer disease, and this pandemic has not brought anything out of the ordinary in terms of death toll
    greenie
    19th Jul 2020
    9:43pm
    Good work Incognito. Many thanks.
    Proves what I said earlier.
    Incognito
    19th Jul 2020
    9:52pm
    Thanks Greenie, I feel like most people here prefer to attack me rather than understand my comments.
    My point is that if we really want to stop this virus spreading then we have to stay home, wearing masks is still going to spread it.
    I want this over as much as everyone else and if the virus does not have a host it dies, simple logic really, don't know why people don't get it.
    Wearing a masks does not make us safe, may reduce it slightly, and can protect from bacteria is why surgeons where them, but never a virus.
    Again we do not have any studies to prove otherwise.
    Farside
    19th Jul 2020
    11:20pm
    Incognito, I gather since the CFR and IFR in this pandemic are low (for now) with the actions and interventions taken, you prefer these relaxed and the virus left to its own devices and we do a tally in 12 months time? I reckon even you might have an idea that would be a big number given its apparent infectiousness. There is plenty of evidence to show wearing masks and distancing is proven to work simply by limiting the spread of droplets and aerosols to under a foot. The challenge is it requires near universal compliance from an obedient community because of non-symptomatic spread (asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic) and those recalcitrant infected people that refuse to stay home and isolate. It remains to be seen whether masks will work in oz as we have more than our share of recalcitrants and boofheads but evidence is there in Thailand, Malaysia, Taiwan (and yes MarLin also Vietnam) to show it is possible.

    Ask yourself if the guards that enjoyed legovers with the tourists would have contracted covid if they insisted the girls had worn masks?

    Your comment contains lots of relevant words around evidence and so forth however even the most strident scientific bodies no longer rule out the likelihood. Quite simply the experiments you are asking have not been done because they would be refused ethical approval as you already know. I have provided links to the reviews of relevant papers for you elsewhere however these below address some of the specific points you mention.

    aersosol outbreak in restaurant, Guangzhou
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079986/does-air-con-help-spread-coronavirus-chinese-study-3-families

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article

    masks preventing spread of covid in hamsters
    https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa644/5848814

    turbulent gas clouds and masks
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852

    visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Siddhartha_Verma2/publication/342571914_Visualizing_the_effectiveness_of_face_masks_in_obstructing_respiratory_jets/links/5efba12492851c52d60c7d0f/Visualizing-the-effectiveness-of-face-masks-in-obstructing-respiratory-jets.pdf

    tracking covid excess deaths (nothing out of the ordinary, really?)
    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
    Incognito
    19th Jul 2020
    11:58pm
    Thanks for the links Farside, I am alway open to more reading. I have been thinking tonight that maybe face shields might do a better job. When you breath through a mask, the air comes from the top, bottom and sides, and virus droplets are so small no mask can stop them if you are breathing. The other problem is air circulation in closed spaces, so no matter what I read, i believe staying home and keeping a big enough distance from others is still the safest option.
    Farside
    20th Jul 2020
    2:23pm
    face shields are more comfortable for some people and will work fine as barriers to shedding virus however do little to reduce risk of inhaling viral particles because of air gap gaps. They also provide increased eye protection. The aerosolised particles in enclosed spaces potentially increase the viral load inhaled. Distancing to avoid suspended clouds can be up to 8m so ventilation or filtration is necessary. A HEPA air purifier will filter viral particles at 0.13nm.

    https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/can-hepa-air-purifiers-capture-coronavirus/

    You might find this CDC report on two covid positive hairdressers not passing on covid to 139 clients. This is what led them to conclude basic masks could mitigate the spread of infection in the general population.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm?s_cid=mm6928e2_w
    greenie
    20th Jul 2020
    12:05am
    I still find it strange that there is absolutely NO consensus on the efficacy of masks between all the experts who have spent their lives researching this very topic and yet there are still people on this forum who swear by every deity that masks are the ultimate protection.
    Weird.
    Incognito
    20th Jul 2020
    1:06am
    I agree, don't understand how anyone can trust masks to protect them. As I have already mentioned virus particles are so small they are breathed in through your breath, if you wear a mask you are still breathing. If you sneeze in your mask then you breath everything back into your body which is not healthy either. I think also masks can be dangerous to many people who cannot afford to have less oxygen going into their lungs.
    The new law for Melbournians is to cover their mouths and noses, even with a scarf, how can that work? Seems like they want to keep them all depressed and fearful, you cannot see the smiles on people which is sad.
    Chris B T
    20th Jul 2020
    8:57am
    Wearing Masks Mandatory or not, masks only cover a Small Portion of Body.
    What about eyes,above and below skin area of face,top of head/hair(if any) exposed skin of arms,hands etc.
    To be safe a Ones-es full skin coverage and full Face Covering sounding like a Burka.
    Stay isolated or very restricted movements and avoidance.Get tested for Covid 19 if you live in Victoria especially the "Hot Spots"
    Mask alone is a long shot, touch points/close interactions more of a problem.
    This was nearly under control in Victoria until the Stupidity of the Recent Past and a lot were wearing Masks.
    MarLin
    20th Jul 2020
    9:56am
    Totally wrong - there is and always has been total consensus on the efficacy of face masks to help protect people's lungs from airborne bacteria: they're not 100% efficient but they are most definitely BETTER THAN NOTHING; it's for this reason alone that most people in Asia wear face masks as a formality (and see my earlier reports that here in Vietnam we STILL have ZERO deaths from Covid-19).
    That wearing of masks wasn't promoted by western govt's at the outset was for one reason alone: protection of self-interest by those who were totally unprepared for the pandemic despite being warned to expect it several years ago.
    But you three self-important, holier-than-thou people clearly don't want to accept any kind of evidence that's contrary to your bigoted thinking, so I can only hope you reap exactly what you sow - and I'm not going to wish you good luck because you don't deserve it!
    Chris B T
    20th Jul 2020
    10:50am
    Merlin
    Name calling and Mouthing has little to no importance.
    If you don't test you won't Find.
    Even in none infected areas have Testing Facilities for Those who Don't Follow HEALTH ORDERS where I live.(That is Border Hoppers as well) This is the only way it comes BY HUMANS as you live in Vietnam with low capacity Health System the only Reason for no Covid 19 was the Total Lock Down early.(Lucky)
    Tell me does India, Philippines etc concern you. These countries are closer to you then me to Melbourne.
    MarLin
    20th Jul 2020
    11:04am
    Stop talking rubbish - you know as much about Vietnam, India and the Philippines as you do about anything else: nothing! And if you're from Melbourne (with its wonderful record of prevention - NOT), that explains everything!
    Chris B T
    20th Jul 2020
    12:48pm
    Merlin
    Your Problem is reading and comprehension.
    I said your closer to India, Philippines etc to Me To Melbourne understand that Closer, not That I live in Melbourne. Australia is a Large Country for someone who came from Australia you certainly didn't move around much.
    I also said the Stupidity Of What Happen There in previous posts.
    Enjoy.
    MarLin
    20th Jul 2020
    12:54pm
    Your type never give up, do they? So I'll make it easy for you - "Bye Bye DH". I'm sure you can work out what the initials stand for - then again, maybe not: but who cares!
    Sophie
    20th Jul 2020
    1:26pm
    .

    Hi MarLin....come over here and have your say! I am very impressed with what you had to say about Vietnam.

    https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/the_meeting_place/post/wearing-of-face-masks

    .
    MarLin
    20th Jul 2020
    1:48pm
    Thanks Sophie, but there are enough nutters on this forum without continuing in another. If people want to keep arguing about it rather than doing something as simple as wearing a face mask in public, well that's life (or death, in some sad cases).
    We're ok here in Vietnam because the population is generally obedient and definitely doesn't feel 'entitled' to anything. I've learned a lot about the recalcitrance and sheer bloody-mindedness of Australian society on this forum - and I don't like any of it, so certainly not stressing for the next plane home!
    Farside
    20th Jul 2020
    2:30pm
    Fact checking N95 masks to filter covid viral particles – "The COVID-19 virus itself is indeed smaller than the N95 filter size, but the virus always travels attached to larger particles that are consistently snared by the filter. And even if the particles were smaller than the N95 filter size, the erratic motion of particles that size and the electrostatic attraction generated by the mask means they would be consistently caught as well."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-n-95-filters-not-too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/
    Farside
    23rd Jul 2020
    11:48pm
    MarLin, perhaps there are more than just masks contributing to Vietnam's covid-19 success. John Bell, professor of medicine at the University of Oxford, suggests Vietnam’s population is not as immunologically “naive” as has been assumed. The circulation of other SARS-like viruses could have conferred a generalised immunity to such pathogens. So, if a new one emerged in the region, it was able to take hold in the human population only when it travelled all the way to central China—where people did not have this natural resistance. This ties in with the idea that infection with one coronavirus can provide protection against others, and that even in countries away from the evolutionary cauldron of South-East Asia part of the population may have some protection against the current pandemic.

    https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/07/22/the-hunt-for-the-origins-of-sars-cov-2-will-look-beyond-china
    MarLin
    24th Jul 2020
    2:16am
    Thanks Farside. If ever I've read something that's tailor-made to foreshadow funding requests for "further research", that article is it - I lost count of the number of times someone was quoted as "suggesting" something! Yet did you notice that of all the reasons that "could" be behind Vietnam's successful management of the virus, wearing a mask wasn't even mentioned - and yet that's the most significant difference between VN and other countries, as I've been saying from the outset!
    maxwell
    11th Aug 2020
    5:00pm
    I always wear a surgical mask when out of my home. However, the protection that it gives me from the "joggers" when they pass me in their masses and with their partners, unmasked and exhaling their breath at an enormous rate and in considerable volume, makes my mask pretty useless. The selfishness of these joggers is remarkable.
    MarLin
    11th Aug 2020
    5:06pm
    And mostly unnecessary. I ride a pushbike 22 km a day for exercise here in Vietnam (where it's also quite hot, so lots of sweating) - but I always wear a mask the entire route except for 1 water stop when it's briefly removed. Sure it gets a bit 'inconvenient' at times - but I'm equally sure it's not as inconvenient as having a ventilator stuck down my throat!
    ronloby
    11th Aug 2020
    7:11pm
    The Gov should bring in a LAW to make wearing a mask compulsory for any person who is out of their house regardless of any excuse put forward. If they are caught out without a mask they must spend 2 weeks in confinement as a punishment plus a heavy fine.
    MarLin
    11th Aug 2020
    8:17pm
    Agree 100% ronloby - except they should have made that rule from Day 1, then Australians might enjoy the same encouraging results as here in Vietnam. I think it's total 9 dead from several hundred infections here now - not bad from 95 million relatively poor people who can't afford to throw billions of dollars at the health service, so compromised by staying home when they could, and wearing a face mask when they couldn't.


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