Commission to put disability plan under the microscope

Government to investigate if disability scheme is working effectively.

Commission to put disability plan under the microscope
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A disabled man who appeared in advertisements promoting disability services in 2013 has joined the thousands whose applications for help have been rejected.

Jeremy Hawkes, 46, who suffers from Parkinsonism and chronic pain, was among several disabled Australians featured in the ad. But when the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) was rolled out in his region this year, his application was rejected.

Access to disability services is regularly hampered by a confusing network of local, state and federal providers. Some recipients who receive services under one tier find that when they wish to make the switch to NDIS support, they are ruled ineligible.

To clear up the confusion and streamline the process for recipients, the Federal Government this week asked the Productivity Commission to review the links between the tiers, as enshrined in the National Disability Agreement (NDA).

The scope of the commission’s study includes:

  • the extent to which the NDA has supported improved outcomes for people with a disability, their families and carers
  • the roles and responsibilities of the Commonwealth, state and territory governments under the NDA
  • whether the NDA needs updating to reflect the changing policy landscape, including the introduction of the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) and the National Disability Strategy (NDS)





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27th Jul 2018
10:16am
Yes - far too many rorters costing the taxpayer hundreds of millions
Time to tighten the rules
Kathleen
27th Jul 2018
11:18am
Really? What about all those missing out who really need it? The government already took two billion away from the NDIS. Imagine you had a couple of kids who need this but you are turned away. You have to then rely on yourself or charity and even then you cannot cope with two disabled children.
Old Man
27th Jul 2018
12:42pm
Really Kathleen? I note you forgot to mention that the Gillard government didn't legislate any funding whatsoever for the NDIS.
Anonymous
28th Jul 2018
6:01pm
Easy for people who aren't impacted by disability to accuse people of 'rorting'. Let them experience the difficulties faced by the disabled or their carers and see if they are still so quick with their vile and disgusting remarks.
rtrish
27th Jul 2018
11:04am
I was disappointed because I missed out on age requirement for NDIS, too old by a couple of months. Now I am glad I wasn’t eligible. Age care services better than no service.
Kathleen
27th Jul 2018
11:20am
What kind of help are you getting rtrish? I cope because my husband looks after me. I cannot imagine how hard it must be for some people.
floss
27th Jul 2018
11:56am
Why can't this government get any thing right just one stuff up after another.Don't these people know they are effecting peoples lives just stop looking after the big end of town think about the needy not the greedy.
Old Geezer
27th Jul 2018
1:19pm
Rubbish floss. I am classified as chronically ill but I don't expect anything from the NDIS.
Anonymous
27th Jul 2018
5:18pm
They can't get anything right because they're Lieberals - inherently incompetent.

@OG. The NDIS draws a (stupid) distinction between chronic illness and disability, though the former frequently leads to the latter.
Kathleen
28th Jul 2018
5:39pm
OG, you manage as many of us do but some cannot manage.
Some of us have carers so we do okay. Have some heart for those with such profound disabilities that they need a package to address their varied needs. Also, imagine having to look after adult children who are profoundly disabled. It is a 24 hour a day job. They need respite. We must have compassion and empathy.
Anonymous
28th Jul 2018
6:05pm
Save your breath, Kathleen. OG doesn't understand ''compassion and empathy''. He does nothing but gloat and boast and denigrate others. He clearly is NOT disabled (nor seriously chronically ill), since he boats about tripping in a luxury caravan, making a motza with investments, and living on next to nothing on a rural property using firewood and growing vegetables. He has no idea what life is like for the genuinely disabled and their carers.
pedro the swift
27th Jul 2018
12:25pm
Well,well. So now we need a 100 "investigators" to check on the NDIS for rorting? Did they not see this coming. Or are they using this to hire more of their mates at a huge salary no doubt.
While NDIS may be a good idea, lets see how many "rorters " they actually catch and how many people really in need are rejected.
Old Man
27th Jul 2018
12:46pm
There is an old adage that you can only work for one boss as multiple bosses only confuse an issue. The NDIS is a good example of a system that was badly designed and funded. The federal government of the day trumpeted how great it was going to be and then allowed the states to run their own race. It was inevitable that when federal governments were of one side of politics and state and territory governments were the opposite side then the NDIS would become a political football. What is needed is for the federal government to take control of the scheme and bypass the states and territories.
Rae
27th Jul 2018
3:28pm
I agree.
KB
27th Jul 2018
12:58pm
I was advised by my council that I was eligible for it and would hear bac soon.Nothing has eventuated and I expect I will be knocked back again I was receiving help for cleaning through council but they had a bun fight with the cleaning services they were using. If you have complex issues it hard to get any form of help.
Rae
27th Jul 2018
3:31pm
Yes KD I paid a lady $100 for three hours cleaning and even she didn't want to do it. She managed to get her child labelled disabled and on a pension and they live on that rather than go out and clean for three hours a day for the $500 a week she could have earned herself.
Old Geezer
27th Jul 2018
1:21pm
NDIS is nothing but system designed to be rorted where the majority of the funding goes to the provider not the person needing these services. If not explain why a $500 wheel chair becomes a cost to the NDIS of over $17,000. People used to clean and reuse feeding tubes under old system but they just use new ones under the NDIS. Nothing but a big waste of tax payers money.
Anonymous
27th Jul 2018
2:20pm
It is a very expensive scheme constinh $3billion now and will grow to $10 billion in a few yesrs
The average benefit is around $50k per individual

This is direct payment . The cost of running NDIS is exorbitant and I’m sure it’s rife with corruption . Hence the review
Old Geezer
27th Jul 2018
2:32pm
When you hear of packages of over $100,000 one has to wonder what is really going on. We simply can't afford such extravagance.
Rae
27th Jul 2018
3:33pm
If it costs $50 000 each and we have a 20% disability figure it will collapse real soon I expect.
Anonymous
27th Jul 2018
3:43pm
Rae - the only disability most of these 20% have is greed , thievery and laziness
Rae
28th Jul 2018
11:00am
olbaid there are genuine cases but if the figures are to be believed we need to sort out why this is happening and try to prevent it.
Anonymous
28th Jul 2018
6:09pm
Olbaid, that's a vile and disgusting thing to say. Yes, there are rorters - sadly most are very proficient and never get caught. But to suggest that ALL disabled are ''thieves'' or ''lazy'' is disgracefully arrogant and nasty. The disabled have enough to contend with without suffering vile dishonest insults from the more fortunate.
Anonymous
28th Jul 2018
7:26pm
You’re always itching for an argument aren’t you Rainey
I said most not ALL
Shame you can’t read - you must have a reading disability . Are you being paid bucketloads by the NDIS ?
Sundays
27th Jul 2018
2:14pm
Clearly a review is needed, but how long will it take. I feel sorry for this man, and all genuine applicants who are msdng out on vital assistance
floss
27th Jul 2018
3:01pm
Yes O.G you are chronically ill mainly in the mouth area.
Anonymous
27th Jul 2018
3:22pm
That’s not nice floss
Totally unnecessary
Rae
27th Jul 2018
3:34pm
OG often speaks the truth which isn't always easy to hear.
Kathleen
28th Jul 2018
5:43pm
Olbaid and Rae, make sure you pull up OG when he is insulting to others which will keep you very busy.
Anonymous
28th Jul 2018
6:10pm
Olbaid won't pull up OG, Kathleen. They are two of a kind, always insulting others with false and nasty accusations and gloating and boasting about their own good fortune.
Anonymous
28th Jul 2018
7:26pm
I haven’t insulted anyone . You are a nasty person Rainey to accuse as such
Rae
29th Jul 2018
8:45am
Yes Kathleen and I do when I see an issue. However here I can agree with OG.

There is a problem with the privatised providers of the NDIS, the selling of the departments by State Governments, the costs going from $500 to $1700 for single items and I've asked the carers I've been meeting on trains what they think and not one has had a good word to say about the changes happening. Some older carers are planning to stop doing the job now as their incomes are falling.

And we can't afford $100 000 packages while ever those who don't really need the welfare are milking the system.

That is all OG said and none of it was personal attacks on anyone.
Anonymous
29th Jul 2018
3:34pm
The only one making personal attacks here is Rainey. Everyone else has been politely stating their points of view
Kathleen
29th Jul 2018
10:00pm
Yes you do usually pick up the unkind remarks Rae.
I think there may be overcharging for some of the services needed by people.
Our local council covers some things like house cleaning, showers and respite. Pensioners or others pay a nominal fee and the people who do the work receive normal wages.
Maybe regulation is required as not all seem to be doing what the council is namely the running the services correctly. No packages involved just what is needed.
Rae
30th Jul 2018
8:15am
Thank you Kathleen. I agree. I believe strongly we need to help the disabled, ill and elderly. We don't need fancy offices and overpaid "package" organisers to do it.
Each local area should be able to provide a simple few offices and staff to co-ordinate services, assessments and maintain records and staff receiving average salaries. It's not exactly rocket science.

Paying hundreds of millions to shonks will break the NDIS and that would be a shame. I actually though the system was working well. We had no issue when mum was dying and when dad needed care.
A son recently needed counselling services and received them efficiently without cost.

Maybe we have taken a reasonable system and instead of just fixing it slightly have opened a can of worms so to speak.

The MSM are to blame for a lot of the beat up over the NDIS.
I'm not convinced it won't collapse under the weight of money being thrown at providers doing nix but shuffling data around computers and taking huge profits for it.
Suze
27th Jul 2018
4:18pm
Gillard introduced NDIS which was unfunded and Ageist
Rae
30th Jul 2018
8:17am
Yes seeing as it doesn't cover elderly care, just the under pension aged disabled, the figures for running it seem astronomical. Where is all that money going?

27th Jul 2018
5:16pm
The NDIS is a disaster-zone on a par with Centrelink. It's a nightmare. I know: I went through hell to get on it.
Jim
27th Jul 2018
7:32pm
You have to feel for people who are genuinely in need of assistance, My wife and I looked after our neighbor who was in her early 30,s when she was diagnosed with motor neurone disease, we were not her carer’s, her family lived about 7 hours away, I was retired and my wife has never been in paid employment, so it was easy for us to assist this beautiful young lady, she wanted to work for as long as she could, so I drove her to the station each day and with the assistance of the fantastic railway staff we managed to get her and her wheel chair onto the train and then the same on her return. I don,t know how much this sort of service would have cost the NDIS but I do know that she had to pay someone to come in 3 times a week to clean and help her shower, every penny that was spent on this young lady was money well spent, having been involved with her care, I was also aware of people that were not as disabled as she was and in some cases they were not disabled ar all, but they doctor shopped until they got the necessary paper work signed, these are the rorters that are taking money away from the genuine people, so unfortuanately investigations are necessary to make sure that those in the most need get the help they need, that way every person that needs help might have a chance at leading a better fulfilling life that everyone deserves. I know it’s going to be hard to sort the rorters from the genuine people, but it must be worth the effort.
Rae
28th Jul 2018
11:03am
Yes indeed Jim. And well done helping this lady. We need more of it and we might get a Society back rather than the economy so fixated upon.
Charlie
28th Jul 2018
7:54pm
If you suffered the disability during your working life, are you allowed to have as much money in the bank as an age pensioner, since you can never return to full time employment.?

or will drawing your super make you like a long term unemployed person, who can get income from their money in the bank.?


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