Should voluntary assisted dying be available around the nation?

Should voluntary assisted dying be available around the nation?

Should voluntary assisted dying be available around the nation?

Victoria’s voluntary assisted dying legislation came in to effect on 19 June, meaning terminally ill Victorians can now legally ask their doctor for lethal drugs to end their suffering.

To qualify, Victorian adults in intolerable pain and with less than six months to live – or 12 months for those with neurodegenerative diseases – and who meet 68 safeguards, can request their doctor's help to die. Patients must be able to communicate a decision through a formal request process, have been living in Victoria for at least a year, and be an Australian citizen or permanent resident. The process takes at least 10 days to be completed.

The Government anticipates that up to 150 people a year will seek voluntary euthanasia.

There is much support for the law. When the legislation first passed the Victorian State Government Upper House, YourLifeChoices asked its members how they felt about voluntary assisted dying and whether it should be available nationwide.

A staggering 85 per cent of the 1849 respondents said yes, every state and territory should have such laws, while 12 per cent said no and only three per cent were undecided.

But even with all this support, critics remain.

On Sunday, we ran a short story from regular contributor Peter Leith, about an elderly woman who chose to end her life her way. Unfortunately, voluntary assisted dying wasn’t available to her.

While loosely based on a true story, her tale is not unique. Euthanasia campaigner Philip Nitschke claims that a growing number of older Australians are exploring processes of ‘rational suicide’ in order to control the timing and method of their death.

According to the former doctor, thousands are investigating ways to end their painful suffering. A growing number of people do not want to feel trapped in “end of life medical nightmares” when in hospital or a care home and unable to take their own life.

Mr Leith’s story was a confronting one – it was meant to be – but no less confronting than having to choose between a subhuman standard of living in your later years or having to consider ending your life without the support of a doctor, the government and, to a certain degree, society.

It certainly affected YourLifeChoices member, Mary*.

“Taking one’s own life is the saddest thing in the world. Working in the funeral industry for many years, you see more than your fair share of sadness, but to see the loved ones left behind is even worse and I am sure that if the person who has taken their life realised what it would do to families for the rest of their lives, they would not do it. I am sure of that,” she wrote.

“The pain on the family is nothing short of cruel. They cannot begin to see why their loved one has done it, but we always need to remember these people who do the unthinkable are not in a good place mentally or physically and have often not thought enough about the consequences of their actions. Maybe there is a place for euthanasia, but more is needed to educate the terminally ill on their need to be able to die with dignity and the love of their family left behind. Let's face it, Australia needs to offer more help to this part of our community.”

Luckily for some, Victoria now provides dignified end-of-life support to its residents. Should the rest follow? Yes, says Herman*.

“Victoria has finally made progress for the terminally ill. Some of us are not terminally ill, but have little or no quality of life,” he wrote.

“Not being truly religious or spiritual, how much more secure could one enjoy tiny moments if given a choice to a dignified end? Some humans prefer to live in pain and misery, or loneliness just for the sake of being alive. But for heaven’s sake, it’s not for everyone!

“How cruel are religious leaders, politicians and other so-called experts who decide that only ‘God’ has the right to terminate your life?

“Not everyone believes in a caring, loving, compassionate God. Why in God’s name do I and many others have to jump off a cliff or step in front of a cement truck to die with dignity? Just imagine the mess and the trauma experienced by family and the cement truck driver?

“We don’t hesitate to send young women and men to conflicts (which have nothing to do with us or threaten our country’s security) to die or come back maimed. And the medical profession already kills so many patients by mistake or negligence. In palliative care, doctors often increase opiates and medicines to hasten a patient’s death. So, let’s end this horrendous suffering once and for all!”

Now that Victoria’s laws are active, we want your views on whether there should be similar laws in other states and territories plus other aspects of euthanasia.

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    Paddington
    21st Jun 2019
    10:03am
    I thought surely this was something that would have agreement by all. There are sufficient safeguards in place to guard against abuse. I watched a lovely aunt die the most painful, dreadful death imaginable. Her body was distorted by arthritis and it made you very sad to watch her suffer. It went on too long. I knew as soon as I saw this that I would agree wholeheartedly. No one should go through this. I believe if you were in the throes of this suffering you would beg for the relief that would relieve you of your agony. Thank you Victoria for having the intestinal fortitude to make this a reality.
    jackie
    21st Jun 2019
    12:57pm
    Paddington, I hope the rest of Australia brings in assisted euthanasia soon because no one should have to suffer a terrible death. I wish euthasia was the same as at the vet.
    Arvo
    21st Jun 2019
    2:09pm
    jackie- it is more cruel for state governments not to allow assisted euthanasia than allowing people...not just the sick....but anyone...to choose to die by brutal suicide...at any time...without bureaucratic red tape permission....
    KSS
    21st Jun 2019
    4:12pm
    It will never be like taking a pet to the vet, nor should it be jackie.

    Paddington, the Victorian law does not make it easy to get euthanasia drugs and for the most part the person must administer the drugs themselves. Read the post I made for the 9 steps to dying under these laws.
    Paddington
    21st Jun 2019
    4:31pm
    KSS, I am in Victoria and I know all that. I know the patient administers it. I know all the safeguards. Our premier has explained them clearly.
    jackie
    21st Jun 2019
    5:24pm
    Arvo, I agree.

    The rules will change with time as they did for IVF, abortions and same-sex marriage.

    People will become used to the practice and it will become more flexible.

    Overseas recently, a 19-year-old female ended her life because she suffered mentally and was not dying.
    rtrish
    21st Jun 2019
    10:29am
    I have been with a couple of people going through palliative care. In one case, my Dad, it was good. In the other, not so much. It worked well for Dad because he was LUCKY. In a good Catholic Aged Care home which happened to have their Palliative Care facility next door. Skilled nurses were able to work with the doctor to bring prescribed medication over to Dad’s room. He did not have to transfer to the other facility. But the doc had previously said he would only be available in reasonable hours. Again, we and Dad were lucky - his greatest need was in the afternoon, just before his death. So, LUCKY. I would like to think I am as lucky, but this is not guaranteed. I’d like to have the option of voluntary euthenasia.
    KSS
    21st Jun 2019
    4:40pm
    We don't do palliative care well in many instances I agree but that is not a reason to argue for euthanasia. It is an argument to improve palliative care.
    Scott
    21st Jun 2019
    10:40am
    The results of the poll should excite the religious.
    Only those who say they are opposed to VAD can get beyond question 2.
    Stoney
    21st Jun 2019
    10:57am
    Euthanasia should be avalable to all, and not just when pain is unbearable. I believe that we should be able to request euthanasia at any stage after we have been told by a specialist that time is limited - why wait for severe pain to set in, or have to be put into some kind of care where other people look after your daily needs? Not much of a life if you can't look after yourself!
    casey
    21st Jun 2019
    1:07pm
    My thoughts exactly Stoney
    Oldman Roo
    21st Jun 2019
    1:29pm
    Fully agree with you ! Additionally a person should be able to set this out in writing before they may no longer be legally able to do so .
    I have been to Nursing Homes and seen many elderly kept alive in conditions that are appalling , not due to lack of care , but living totally without any quality of life . This can go on for years and I dread the thought that i may end up in the same situation and death can only be seen as the obvious choice .
    Tood
    22nd Jun 2019
    2:11am
    The Victorian conditions are far too restrictive; once you are terminal the timing should be up to the person, not within 6-12 months of expected death, not after you have suffered "x" amount of time in pain but before all that if that's what you want. And quite frankly why do you need to be terminal, if you are over 80 and have had enough of life for whatever reason you should be able to check out.
    Farside
    22nd Jun 2019
    3:40pm
    nothing magical about turning 80, when you have had enough and you are an adult then it should be sufficient to finalise your affairs and take the medicine at your time and place of choosing. For sure it beats the usual gruesome and often botched attempts and makes it much easier on those who discover the deceased, especially if this is some time afterwards.
    KB
    21st Jun 2019
    11:06am
    If people wat assisted help to die when there is no hope left then yes it should be made available . People should state what they want before and if they get dementia, Usually people hang on when they are at the stage of dying due to their tenacity, People in this situation go when they decide they need to go. This has happened to a couple of people I know.
    Straydays
    21st Jun 2019
    11:11am
    Once again we see the result of when religion and politics collide.If your religious beliefs preclude you from seeking a VAD...then don't have one....but please don't assume that gives you the right to decide for others.
    In all my years I've never encountered a preacher or politician whose opinion about when or how I should die I value more than my own.
    Tis only me
    21st Jun 2019
    11:28am
    Straydays, absolutely 100% agree!
    Paddington
    21st Jun 2019
    11:42am
    Spot on!
    jaycee1
    21st Jun 2019
    12:27pm
    I find it highly offensive that someone's religious believe can take away MY RIGHT to die with dignity.
    After watching 3 family members in 2 years die [2 with cancer, 1 from a stroke] I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
    If we can let animals die [or be charged with cruelty] when they have no hope and are in pain, then we should be able to choose what way we want to die as well.
    jackie
    21st Jun 2019
    5:26pm
    Straydays, religion is not law but business and should be treated as such.

    Politicians should never mix religion with their policies but tax the lot instead.
    udo1103
    21st Jun 2019
    11:15am
    no politicians should have the right to determine anything in my life re my health...i would like to know what their decision will be if...
    Priscilla
    21st Jun 2019
    11:21am
    My life, my way! Sick to death of "go-gooders" prolonging the agony of others. Get a life - let people die when they want to!
    pedro the swift
    21st Jun 2019
    11:30am
    Don't know what all the fuss is about! If someone wants to die(commit suicide) there are a number of ways to achieve this, without asking anyones permission. Just look at the stats for vets and teen suicide.
    If someone is under medical care or suffering from dementia etc then maybe some assistance should be allowed.
    I do believe that many medics can and do "help" those in terminal stages with extra doses of "painkillers' to ease their suffering. Its a personal choice, should not be dictated by religion or politics.
    jaycee1
    21st Jun 2019
    12:33pm
    Pedro,
    The whole point is - they should NOT have had to commit suicide! This is a huge shock to the family that many will never get over. If the person was able to sit them down and say what they wanted to do it when the time came it would be a lot better.
    Yes they would still grieve, but the family/friends etc would also have time to get used to the idea and the person would be able to die in their own bed with dignity.
    Isn't that what we all want? To die with dignity!
    Geraldine
    21st Jun 2019
    11:33am
    The question you think you can't skip - I selected Other, & in comments stated my total agreement with VAD. Have been a member of several voluntary euthanasia organisations for about 20 years. Strongly resent religious/political interference with MY CHOICE.
    Scott
    21st Jun 2019
    11:46am
    Then your answer to question 2 was that you opposed VAD!
    Paddington
    21st Jun 2019
    11:48am
    Then move to Victoria. It is already done.
    Old Man
    21st Jun 2019
    11:36am
    I believe in euthanasia and I think that it should be available to all who want to avail themselves of the right to end one's suffering. I accept that there are some who oppose it on religious views and I respect their choices. Obviously euthanasia won't be legislated as compulsory so those who oppose it shouldn't want to use it and shouldn't stand in the way of those of us who wish to.

    I also believe that any euthanasia laws should be made an election policy to enable the people to decide whether it should be allowed. I don't know if euthanasia would be acceptable to the majority and I believe that it is for the people to decide, not politicians. As was seen in the recent election, people rejected the policies of one party even though all of the polls, betting agencies and media predicted a different result.
    Paddington
    21st Jun 2019
    11:47am
    OM, In Victoria, the law only allows the person concerned to have the means to do it. It is delivered to the patient. It does not need to be an election policy put to the people.
    If you want it you get it, others have no say. Two doctors are involved and precautions are taken. It is not done lightly and has rules attached. Safeguards are there.
    Your choice, don’t over complicate it.
    Old Man
    21st Jun 2019
    11:59am
    Not trying to over complicate anything, Paddington, just trying to point out that euthanasia should be the choice of the people to decide, not politicians who want to curry favour with fringe groups to obtain preferential votes.
    greenie
    21st Jun 2019
    1:05pm
    Old Man, where is that marvelous piece you posted about the politicians victory speech? Can't find it now and want to send it to various friends. Please let me know or re-post it.
    Thanks. JohnG
    Old Man
    21st Jun 2019
    3:30pm
    Ah greenie, it was removed by the admin people. Too much against their Labor values I fear. When I posted it I made the observation that it would offend the left leaning Labor people and I was proved right.
    Old Man
    21st Jun 2019
    3:43pm
    greenie, if you let me know when you are in this forum, I can re-post it here and if you're quick you can copy it for yourself before Big Brother moves in.
    Roggercat
    21st Jun 2019
    12:04pm
    Please don't say 'even with all this support' because you are abviously totally for Euthenasia. Your heading is incorrect as you are not asking the question you are giving the answer in a very forceful way, thus biassing the results. Suffering and pain are not nice and that is a whole story in itself, but there is a purpose in it all and as I heard one (secular) doctor say, very often 'significant events' occur after the time they would have suicided and before they die: confessions, reconciliation, and other. I hate the equphemism 'assisted dying' that is what palliative care does, what friends do. This (euthenasia) is 'killing them' if you want to call it by its right name. I take the point that if they really want to, they can and probably will, but I believe in spite of the pain and suffering it is a big mistake. And no one has the right to take another's life, even at their request. I also believe when they face God He will be disappointed with them. Please don't call that a 'religious reason'.
    Tood
    22nd Jun 2019
    2:23am
    Well your God can be as disappointed as he bloody well likes Roggercat! My life, my death, not interested in your religious deities opinion or your ridiculous 'significant events'. Enjoy your pain and suffering, hope its worth it for you.
    Sen.Cit.90
    21st Jun 2019
    12:06pm
    The Qld 'Advanced Health Directive' has a question with a suggested answer:
    Quote; Record your wishes here. (For example, you may wish to write something similar to the following: ‘I value life, but not under all conditions. I consider dignity and quality of life to be more important than mere existence’ or ‘I request that I be given sufficient medication to control my pain, even if this hastens my death’. Unquote: I would hope my Doctor would find a way to end my suffering
    Jess M
    21st Jun 2019
    12:18pm
    Freedom to chose.
    We don't allow our animals to suffer at the end of life, all we ask is a choice.
    jackie
    21st Jun 2019
    5:28pm
    Jess M, that will happen. I made sure all my pets have had peaceful deaths.
    Jenny
    21st Jun 2019
    12:29pm
    Paddington, people of strong religious beliefs will probably never support euthanasia. And others are worried that the system may be open to abuse. And I understand their concerns, although I don't share them. I have been an advocate for euthanasia since long before the discussion arose.
    jaycee1
    21st Jun 2019
    12:39pm
    Agree Jenny.
    At the end of the day it should be up to each person how they want to depart from this world. At a time of their choosing - without pain and with dignity. Or, hanging on to the last minute regardless of how much pain you are in.
    Sorry, but I know what one I would choose, even if some people would call me a coward.
    Virginia
    21st Jun 2019
    12:48pm
    I spoke to a poli at time of vote in Adelaide he said majority did not want this right. Wonder where he went for this high totally different view to this survey
    Told me to allow others to be right and stop pushing and being argumentative.
    Did he have an agender
    Did he know someone like my mother who I felt so guilty about her experience and pain
    What planet or religion did he follow only a Muslim who believes the Angels who will judge us with Allah in the next life would want to suffer.....Proof please
    Marie
    21st Jun 2019
    1:16pm
    This is not a yes or no answer. I once cared for an MS girl, who stated to me she wanted help with dying once she got to the stage off gastric feeding. However, when this had to happen she changed her mind. The reality off dying hit her. So we must be very careful not to make judgement on how they feel at the time off requesting assissted dying to the actual deed. Marie
    jackie
    21st Jun 2019
    5:33pm
    Marie, they aware that people change their minds and make allowance for that.

    I changed my mind about a medical procedure and was not forced to do it.
    gerry
    21st Jun 2019
    1:46pm
    With 7 billion people I the world and 1 billion not counted ,birth control and a cut off date will be mandatory in the future

    The minoity of people who disagreed are mostly religious

    It would be easy to press a button with help from electrical equipment we have today

    I want to be able to press a button and go up in a puff of smoke ,Instead I am getting a canister of xxyy and will probably die a slow death
    gerry
    21st Jun 2019
    1:50pm
    I,m going to dress up as a dog and sneak in to a knackers yard
    Eddy
    21st Jun 2019
    2:01pm
    Why should I, or any other person, have to endure misery just because someone else has beliefs contrary to mine. I have specified in my living will that when I am demented, bedridden or in unbearable pain (I cannot recall how the lawyer expressed it) then all life extending medications, apart from pain relief,are to cease including blood pressure, cardiac, kidney, liver and all other medications. I will let nature take it's course. If I had the option I would choose euthanasia at an appropriate time. We all die in the end, no exceptions,
    purplejan88
    21st Jun 2019
    2:25pm
    terminally ill or not i want the right to decide when i die - i want quality not quantity and i do not have family to consider anyway and even if i did it is still my choice
    hyacinth
    21st Jun 2019
    2:37pm
    My husband had terminal cancer. His words to me"I don't want to die" . He still had hope. I had hope too. It was not my right nor anyone else's right to help him to die.
    Jezemeg8
    21st Jun 2019
    3:37pm
    I was told nearly 30 years ago that I had only six months to live, I'm guessing that the doctors forgot to mention in which year those six months would be because I'm still here, and still receiving the same opinion i.e. I've only 6 months left to live. I've outlived two of the doctors who delivered the original opinion, and even now doctors who deliver their opinion can't figure out how I'm still alive, my scans etc 'prove' that it's impossible.

    My reply is always the same "I'm here because I keep breathing,and I'll continue to do so until God calls me Home, not when some human decides that it would be better for me to die. I live with constant pain, I'm highly allergic to morphine, codeine and their many derivatives so that means that I can only use Tramadol and Panamax for pain relief. Disability continues to encroach on my abilities BUT I've still got the companionship and devotion of my two dogs and we're still able to go out most nights on our mobility scooter to be with our friends among the street folk and Homeless, not that we can do anything other than offer a listening and non-judgemental ear and give out free hugs as requested.

    Yes, I've read all the details of the VAD in Victoria including all the safeguards in place, however, just as when abortions were first allowed and it is now expected that all single women who fall pregnant 'accidentally' should have one, I believe it will soon become a case of "why are you still using up Government's resources? ' People are being killed now in hospitals all over the country because doctors and others believe there's no point in treating them. Yes, I do believe in God, but NO, I don't impose my beliefs on anyone else. I for one will no longer agree to being in any hospital or similar care institution in future, and I know of many other elderly/disabled people who think as I do, some of whom are religious, some not.
    hyacinth
    21st Jun 2019
    2:37pm
    My husband had terminal cancer. His words to me"I don't want to die" . He still had hope. I had hope too. It was not my right nor anyone else's right to help him to die.
    Paddington
    21st Jun 2019
    4:36pm
    No one is saying that hyacinth.
    My dad clung to life as well but it is different if your are suffering. In agony 24/7 one wishes it to stop.
    I watched a lovely aunt go through something no one should have to and for what?
    jackie
    21st Jun 2019
    5:30pm
    hyacinth, the right to live or die is everyone's choice. Those that don't want euthanasia don't have to get it.
    Snowflake
    21st Jun 2019
    3:36pm
    Dr Harold Shipman killed over two hundred patients some years ago. His preferred way of doing it was to inject them with 30mg of insulin. Seems they all went off to sleep and looked quite peaceful. That was one of the things that undid him. He signed death certificates for a heart attack and most heart attack victims do not die peacfully reading a book with no signs of distress. That's what it said in the book I read about him. When I'm old I might befriend a diabetic. :)
    Oldie84
    21st Jun 2019
    3:39pm
    Having been born in the Country where putting people to death according to Law to maintain Racial Purity and other Reasons I would never be able to approve of legally sanctioned killing. All good intentions can be used perversely. Just give thanks you live in a Country were palliative care is freely given.
    Janus
    21st Jun 2019
    3:43pm
    We seem to have mis-used the word "euthanasia": that is basically mercy killing, that one does for a horse or a dog. What we are actually talking about is assisted dying. Political correctness has got it wrong again. Actually the word is suicide "self killing", but none of us could afford to say that, could we, and the insurance companies would get into a tizz.

    I don't want someone else telling me it's time to go, as it should be MY decision. I don't care that our government wishes that all of us oldies should hurry up and die to ease their financial woes, so I plan to live for a while yet, just to annoy them. When the time comes
    it will be right, and only I will know it (unless dementia takes over; as soon as i know about that, I will take the appropriate steps.)
    KSS
    21st Jun 2019
    4:09pm
    Some of you might be interested in this article from a Doctor's perspective. Also if you scroll down the article you can find the 9 steps to dying under the Victorian euthanasia laws. It is not as easy as some may think.
    https://www.ausdoc.com.au/news/assisted-dying-i-worry-about-gps-wandering-around-town-and-being-called-death-doctor?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0daa05qUmtZV1E1WW1ZMyIsInQiOiJiVVkxbTVtczdRYXpiMkNDZGJpS1FEdWI2U2hwRHRwUGxOYkRpbEQyOElyZ21hTVlOc1FjNUNxOER2NXRNTW5EaEg0WEdpRzRZTU9cL3JhZGxGaHRpRkZCRndjUWp5TG9cLzBKNVwvbmZmTDRkaXlJZFpWQUQzblwvS3RndVFXQkpxR1wvIn0%3D
    jackie
    21st Jun 2019
    5:36pm
    KSS, the government made it not easy because it put a lot of thought into it.

    No one is going to be murdered. We don't even execute our dangerous criminals. There is nothing to fear.
    KSS
    21st Jun 2019
    6:08pm
    Who said I was scared of anything jackie? Nor did I say or imply anyone was going to be murdered. Your assumptions are quite breath taking.

    I simply made a post of an article written by a Victorian GP that gives a different perspective and includes the process for those who are not in Victoria.
    Chris G
    21st Jun 2019
    4:46pm
    Seems to me, from the comments posted, that a lot of people are talking from a religious point of view, not a commonsense point of view e.g. Roggercat. Sorry to offend!
    JOHN T
    21st Jun 2019
    6:59pm
    i must post this to send a message to an old mate who discovered he had in curable cancer
    after years of kemo and radiadation treatment he found only one think he could take to relieve the pain was medical maruarana and was told it was ilegale so he deciide he would drink scotch so as not to break the law all i can add is he died a happy man
    TREBOR
    21st Jun 2019
    7:32pm
    Depends on the reality of a condition that precludes an extensive future life and cause undue pain for the 'owner' of it.

    Simple mental feelings that "I want to die" cannot be included, though, having turned 70 this week and looking at some the same age around me - I've said "If I get that bad - shoot me!"
    Farside
    22nd Jun 2019
    3:45pm
    shooting is such a messy choice when there are better alternatives
    Cowboy Jim
    21st Jun 2019
    7:38pm
    Cannot really understand that we cannot have laws like Switzerland where quite a few Aussies have to travel to end their days. There is a least one a month and sometimes it is in the news and other times not. Victoria should allow all Australian residents the right to die with dignity and not force them to become residents first. Switzerland is far away and not everyone can make the journey; the whole process is not cheap either (I know I was born there and we had that system for many years).
    'Chelle03
    21st Jun 2019
    8:39pm
    I believe that it is a person's right to die when and how they want. My concern is that if a directive is put in place will it be acted upon as the person has requested. I have heard of many instances where people already have a directive regarding being kept alive etc and these have been ignored by medical professionals and family members. I would hope this wouldn't be the case with a VAD directive. I am appalled at the amount of people who are kept alive by - sometimes experimental - medications given by doctors or by the request of family members when clearly the person has nothing left. This is a far worse situation than assisting someone to die peacefully if they wish. And they are allowed to do this in the name of 'medicine' yet we aren't allowed to die if we want.
    wendan31
    21st Jun 2019
    8:57pm
    My husband & I certainly agree with Assisted Dying, we went through the pain with my father, he had prostrate cancer but didn't know about it until just before he passed, he had been in terrible pain which his Dr did not do anything about, Dad was very frail, had a very bad fall, was admitted to hospital, each of our daily visits he begged us to tell them to let him go to sleep, he was 6 months off being 92, he could not eat, was being fed nutrients through a tube in his stomach, after discussions with the hospital it was agreed to stop the nutrients, Dad passed away 4 days later, it was actually a relief to know he was out of pain and a vegetable no more.
    wendan31
    21st Jun 2019
    9:04pm
    Hyacinth - it can only be your personal choice to be assisted to die, there can be no third person asking or pushing for this to happen, the Drs agreed to my fathers wishes, they would not have done it if the request came from us, his daughters, the Dr's told us they would agree to his request - also you have to be serious about the prognosis - you say Drs gave you 6 months to live, if this is the case then the Dr's you would be interviewed by would have to ascertain your diagnosis for pain, life quality etc, etc - this is not something an ordinary Dr can play with.
    gonebush
    23rd Jun 2019
    10:28am
    If you have a dog or cat and was suffering in pain we can put the animal down well whats the difference same pain and agony yes please give us the same rights
    Farside
    24th Jun 2019
    1:18pm
    cat, dog or any other pet can be "put to sleep" without the necessity to be in pain and suffering or facing imminent certain death.
    Thterbl
    24th Jun 2019
    10:55am
    "Now look, Grandma ... You've had your life - a pretty good innings, and here we are saddled with a huge mortgage while you have millions in life assurance and endowments. Don't be selfish. It's time to go."
    Get the picture ?
    Pardelope
    24th Jun 2019
    10:32pm
    Those who find religion comforting in some way should die in the way they wish - BUT - they should not try to influence or restrict others who have different beliefs. Every person is different - psychologically, physically, culturally, and socially. Some do not have family to help when life gets too difficult. Pain comes in many forms and should not be dismissed if it is not a physical form. We should talk about what we want (or don't want) so that our choice does not come as a surprise. If a person has had enough of a painful, pointless, or (to them) degrading situation, and they have no religious restraints (such as a fear of going to Hell), they should be able to choose when and how they leave this mortal coil. They should not be forced to commit suicide sooner than needed because they fear becoming incapable, or flexible options are not available or sufficient.


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