If you’re over 65, don’t get that flu jab just yet

Super-strength vaccines for older Australians available from April.

Wait a bit longer for that flu jab

The Federal Government has allocated $31 million to protect older Australians from the flu this year after a horror 2017, but a leading health group says if you are over 65 you should hold off.

The Immunisation Coalition, a leading voice in whole-of-life immunisation, is urging people over 65 to wait for the two new enhanced vaccines funded by the Government under the National Immunisation Program (NIP). It says they will offer better protection to the elderly, but will only be available through your GP from April.

The Immunisation Coalition said that of the 1100 deaths from influenza-related conditions in Australia last year, 90 per cent were people aged 65 and over.

“Recent studies have shown that traditional flu vaccines don’t protect the elderly very well against flu and its complications, as older persons’ immune systems don’t respond as well to vaccines,” an Immunisation Coalition spokesperson said.

As a result, this year, people aged 65 and older were being provided with one of two free new enhanced vaccines: a high-dose version with four times the dose and a version with an additional ingredient to boost effectiveness.

Compared to the standard flu vaccine, both have been shown to better stimulate the immune systems of older people to make protective antibodies. These vaccines are available only to people aged 65 or older.

The Immunisation Coalition said it was concerned that some current advertisements might be confusing and urged older people to wait for the enhanced vaccines.

Australia’s immunisation program provides free flu vaccines for the elderly, as well as other high-risk groups including pregnant women, those with chronic diseases and Indigenous Australians.

The Immunisation Coalition recommends that anyone older than six months get vaccinated. 

“If you are young fit and healthy, having a flu shot will not only protect yourself but people around you – babies, immune-compromised people and the elderly. Vulnerable people need protection from herd immunity,” said Paul Van Buynder, Immunisation Coalition chairman.

Will you get a flu shot this year? Have you had one already?

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    Mimi
    1st Mar 2018
    11:05am
    As the flu vaccine is not yet available, a person could not have it before April anyway.
    Placido
    1st Mar 2018
    11:14am
    Some pharmacies are offering flu vaccines now, here is a copy of an Advert
    The Flu vaccinations are now available. Please book online at xxxxxxxxxxxxxx or come in and we will try to fit you in.

    We will be using the 4 strain 2018 Afluria Quad for your peace of mind.
    So yes you could have a flu shot now but would it be the best one?
    Polly Esther
    1st Mar 2018
    3:02pm
    I'm with you Mimi. My quack hasn't got it yet, and some chemists may be booking, but they are not injecting something they have not yet got. Ho hum
    Placido
    3rd Mar 2018
    11:41am
    These pharmacists do have the 4 strain flu shot available and are injecting as we speak.

    I will still wait for the better shot in April
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2018
    11:16am
    Some people have a bad reaction to Flu shots, some find them no help at all, problem is that the whole flu shot industry, - Govt. departments, doctors, nurses, Big Pharma, etc, are so hypnotised by their own certainty that there are never any problems, that they have no training to allow them to recognise when it doesn't work or goes wrong so they think, 'must be something else' and treat for another problem, - often worsening the real problem, and sometimes killing the patient, purely due to that arrogance that the flu shot itself is always perfect, when sometimes it is not.
    KSS
    1st Mar 2018
    12:33pm
    Lookafar before you can have a flu shot you are assessed and there are a list of questions you have to answer before you can have the shot. If you don't answer the questions (or can't) then you cannot have the shot until you have seen a doctor. Also after having the shot you cannot leave for a minimum of 15 minutes in order to assess whether you might have a reaction to it. Not foolproof, but certainly not the situation as you describe.

    And yes there are people who for various medical reasons cannot have any vaccinations which just shows the importance of those who can, have them to provide the herd immunity for those that can't.
    PlanB
    1st Mar 2018
    11:41am
    One does wonder if the interest in these flu shots is purely monetary
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2018
    11:51am
    Oh how cynical of you PlanB, as if ever, Multinational companies only cared about money, - er, do they care about anything else? Of course, the share holders money..
    There is a lot of unrest about not just flu shots but the media are adamant that to doubt any vaccination is a certifiable crime.
    Maggie
    1st Mar 2018
    11:55am
    I think it is safe to stop wondering! Off course drug companies make money out of the shots but they do help. Of course every now and again there is going to be a "rogue" strain of flu, against which we are not protected, but a great many more frail people would die without them in an ordinary year.

    If you have ever wandered around a graveyard you will have seen how many people died of the great flu epidemic or 1918. We can avoid that sort of thing now, thank heaven.
    PlanB
    1st Mar 2018
    1:09pm
    Yep looks far I am very cynical -- you don't get to my age and not get cynical
    Old Geezer
    1st Mar 2018
    5:21pm
    It will make no difference if we get a flu epidemic like 1918 as the flu mutates faster than they can make the vaccines.
    PennWeaver
    1st Mar 2018
    12:07pm
    It's a great industry isn't it this flu making vaccination thing? And govt backed which must mean it is alright right? Because when has govt ever been wrong? Stay at home if you are sick and stop breathing on people who aren't. Don't think just because you are sick you have to visit all your friends, rellies and acquaintances to let them know how sick you are :/ Keep it for those who really need it and want to take the chance with whatever concoction they cook up (you are the testing ground for these things).
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2018
    12:35pm
    Maggie, the words are May help, the problem is believing they will always help so no treatment for when they don't, and no way to tell they didn't because no training.
    The flu epidemic of 1918 was a new strain, - actually attacked the immune system, so young strong healthy people died, not so much oldies, pity you didn't notice that in your graveyard peramble - we don't know what the next strain will do, it will certainly be immune to the current jabs, so fanatical stupid belief in the current jab would mean lots more people would die and would spread far further much more quickly, has every thing in your life worked perfectly every time?
    PlanB
    1st Mar 2018
    1:12pm
    Darn right Wendy, and the sooner people that a cough and splutter without trying to cover their faces the better it will be too -- or better still STAY AT HOME if you have the cold or flu
    ROB
    1st Mar 2018
    1:01pm
    Oh Goodness, why not simply boost your Glutathione levels and protect yourself against ALL strains of flu and virus along with improving overall health, reversing ageing issues and giving yourself the best chance in the world for a long and happy life? We now have the means of raising your Glutathione level far higher, more efficiently and far safer for ALL ages than ever before with NO HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS. Find out all you can about raised Glutathione levels. The information is there just waiting for you to find it.
    Puglet
    1st Mar 2018
    1:28pm
    Please provide evidence-based, objective data to back up your assertions. You also need to state if you have a conflict of interest, perhaps you are selling this stuff? By the way there is no scientific evidence provided by large, systematic, randomised trials to back up your belief that this stuff has any effect in preventing flu or anything else for that matter.
    ROB
    5th Mar 2018
    6:27pm
    Hi Puglet, we already have clinical studies proving the effectiveness but because the medical system in Australia has no idea about the later technologies now available of course has to look the other way - for the present. There are now millions of people using the technology world wide and the feedback from the thousands we are in touch with is that the technology is extremely effective. But everybody has to make their own decisions of course and I and the people I personally know love using the technology and gaining wonderful benefits. However we are not pushing sales, we do not need to do that but it can be of benefit for some to know there are technologies out there that do work, even if misunderstood by some? By the way it is not me, but the medical practitioners doing the studies and finding the benefits of raising Glutathione levels. I am just telling of later improved more effective methods to raise the level. Rob
    Jolly
    28th May 2018
    9:02am
    Hope this helps you all. " The best way to boost glutathione in your body is to eat a balanced diet that includes nutrients such as selenium, vitamins B6 and C, riboflavin, and protein—all of which help increase glutathione production or activity. Alpha lipoic acid and N-acetylcysteine (a building block of glu­tathione) may raise glutathione levels as well, but there’s too little research to recommend supplements. Small studies suggest that pro­longed moderate exercise may also boost glutathione. Alcohol and smoking, on the other hand, may reduce levels."
    http://www.berkeleywellness.com/supplements/other-supplements/article/are-glutathione-supplements-helpful
    ROB
    28th May 2018
    3:31pm
    Jolly, we certainly agree on your comments suggesting raising Glutathione levels, however traditional means are now very much outdated. The ease of use, cost, negative side effects and particularly the effectiveness are all so much improved with non-transdermal phototherapy patch technology. The report below provides some detail of this. IV Infusion costing $150 to $400 was considered the most effective means to raise Glutathione but even this process is now surpassed with a single non-transdermal patch costing only around $5 retail.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/vq3q2o5ssfo0k5j/GLUTATHIONE%20The%20risk%20of%20low%20Glutathione%20levels.pdf?dl=0
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2018
    1:05pm
    KSS, that shows the problem in a nut shell, most of the abreactions are overnight or even longer, so a 15 minute wait is stupid, and for some people fatal, as when they are brought back really ill, the doctor assumes it wasn't the flu jab, (flu stab?) so they just treat the symptoms, which are not flu like, - just mouthing the conservative doctor fallback statement does not help, - you and the medical community need to develop the critical faculty, - which lead to these discoveries in the first place, - you can't just use the critical faculty to discover things then turn it off and become a mindless automaton, things change, inability to change is death, relying on "authority" is the same, - you give over your own agency to others who can't change, but if the result is that you die, you can't appeal to them, because you are dead, and they will pretend nothing is wrong anyway, so nothing will change.
    That whole attitude needs to be thrown out the window, what vaccinations did in the past may not work anymore, - viruses/bacteria/moulds, evolve, adapt, try again, and will eat the sleepy, then build up strength to attack everybody else.
    It is always a good idea to assume you are wrong, then start from there, - only then will you approach each situation with a fresh mind, only a fresh mind is in reality, sorry to insult you KSS.
    KSS
    1st Mar 2018
    1:28pm
    And yet you have done so - insulted me!

    Sorry, not sorry eh!
    Lookfar
    28th May 2018
    11:03am
    KSS, I gave you so much more important information to allow you to develop, but all you can do is hide behind your hurt pride, you know what they say about pride, and what you can deduce from that old saying is that pride is not a human quality.
    In regard to Radish and your' comments about deafness arising from infection of the inner ear, it seems the only prevention is to go and see the doctor as soon as you have hearing loss associated with flu or any other infection, so you can be 'nuked' as younger folk say.
    Fine except that doctor also maintained ONLY the flu jab can prevent the flu, despite several accounts in just this discussion, that it didn't, yet alone all the other evidence, and methods using diet etc to stay flu free without the risk.
    Hence that doctor is just a shill for big pharma, and so his comment has to be downgraded to reflect that bias.
    Susiepin
    1st Mar 2018
    1:06pm
    If the new flu jab for Seniors only available through our GP, how do we get it when travelling and away for some months from home?
    KSS
    1st Mar 2018
    1:28pm
    You can get it from any GP - in Australia that is.
    Old Geezer
    1st Mar 2018
    1:10pm
    I'll stick to my healthy diet and exercise instead. I haven't had a flu shot or have had the flu. They only people I know who got the flu are the ones who got the flu shot.
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2018
    1:18pm
    On this issue OG, I agree with you, - not quite so simple, but pretty true.
    KSS
    1st Mar 2018
    1:29pm
    May be so Old Geezer but it wasn't caused by the flu shot!
    Old Geezer
    1st Mar 2018
    1:35pm
    Interesting that they get the flu within a couple of weeks of getting the flu shot. If they get it and I don't then something is a bit odd.
    Triss
    1st Mar 2018
    3:45pm
    I agree with OG KSS. Two or three days after I had my first and only flu shot I got the worst case of flu I've ever had. I've always been a great believer in vaccination but I think nowadays that profit comes before the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.
    Old Geezer
    1st Mar 2018
    3:52pm
    My sister never misses a vaccination for anything. She gets the flu after flu shots but she swears it is not due the shot. Every other year she comes down with the measles and I have lost count of the number of times she has had whopping cough. She currently has the shingles but I not sure if she has had the vaccination or even if it is now available. Physically she is a mess as she doesn't eat well and rattles with the number of pills she takes daily. I now refuse to even ask how she is as it takes a good hour to hear all her complaints.

    I just have a good diet and exercise and take no pills.
    Puglet
    1st Mar 2018
    1:39pm
    In 2017 3000 people died from the flu and there were 18,000 hospitalisations. Of those who died 42% suffered from chronic illnesses. The deaths usually occurred among people in vulnerable groups - the very young, the sick and the old. It was particularly bad in 2017 because the strains mutated and the vaccine didn’t work well for the overt 65s. Recovery from the flu usually takes much longer in the over 65s. The vaccines coming in April are supposed to give better protection for the over 65s. If people don’t think they need it they shouldn’t have it. Those who want it should have it. Flu vaccines have not caused deaths but may cause minor side effects. They cannot cause flu - it’s all myth.
    Blossom
    1st Mar 2018
    2:00pm
    I have relatives and friends in healthcare. All of them have told me that you will not get flu after vaccination unless you have alrady come into contact with it and most likely aren't aware that you have.
    I am prone to picking up some illnesses with trigger existing medical problems so I am at risk of major neurological issues.
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2018
    2:10pm
    Puglet, you are answering two separate assertions, one being that flu shots, using as they do, killed, (or maybe not quite killed?) flu viruses, and I would submit that the court is still out on that one, because a verdict that hurt the multinationals etc. would be financially overturned, and the second, that individual people have strong reactions over time, and I know of two, personally, and one only survived by a whisker because his daughter knew about flu virus deaths, and could see the stupid things the nurses and doctors were doing, - in the nick of time, and that is the issue I have been pushing, and nobody here has answered it, because the problem is not acknowledged by the medical comunity, and can not be answered until it does so acknowledge.
    The two issues are fundamentally different, although the arrogance of the medical/drug purveying industry makes them culpable in both instances, so you should not try to make a one answer fits all reply, because it can not, and you should answer OG's reply directly, as it is really quite another argument, basically that you should act in such a way as to strengthen your immune system, not knock it out and let drugs cure you if they can, because your immune system will be weaker next time. - Correct OG? - I have found personally that argument quite peruasive in my life, - I go Barefoot, so many cuts etc on my feet around the farm, and over the years my body has become incredibly quick at healing such, - sure I dip my feet in borax solution, at end of day, that kills the army at the gates, but my body kills those that have entered. Quickly, depite swelling, inflamation etc.- that is the second argument.
    Puglet
    1st Mar 2018
    2:14pm
    Hi Blossom I think that 2017 was the first time the vaccine didn’t ‘work’ primarily for the over 65s. The strain of virus wasn’t the one the vaccine was created for. The manufacturers have to predict which strains of flu virus the vaccine works for. This time they were wrong. Quite a few of the people in nursing homes had been immunised but many still died from the flu. So it is no longer wise to think immunisation ensures the person won’t get it! That’s why the scientific Boffins have created completely new vaccines and why the over 65s especially if they have chronic illnesses should insist they get one of the news available in April. I asked my GP which was ‘best’ and he wasn’t sure but thought it’ll boil down to which one is available!
    Old Geezer
    1st Mar 2018
    3:45pm
    If you look at graphs the decline in many diseases now given shots for also occurred as the diet and food supply for people also improved. So how much of this decline is a result of better diets etc and how much is a result of those shots? I know of people who have had no shots and have had no diseases either and none have autism either. So I it just a big con by big pharma?
    Anonymous
    4th Mar 2018
    7:00pm
    I well remember the polio epidemic and if we had not had the vasccines available many more would have died or be suffering the effects to this day.

    I had a friend who was severely disabled and lived a much shortened life.
    lasaboy
    1st Mar 2018
    3:38pm
    no chance I had the flu shot 18 years ago I have been on a disablement pension since
    Triss
    1st Mar 2018
    3:50pm
    Yes, lasaboy, I understand there is a class action in America because so many folk have succumbed to serious side effects from the flu vaccine.
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2018
    3:51pm
    no chance what, lasaboy?
    Old Geezer
    1st Mar 2018
    3:53pm
    Ask your doctor to sign a disclaimer before you get the flu shot. I bet the doctor wont sign it.
    lasaboy
    1st Mar 2018
    7:55pm
    I had the flu last year had pneumonia as well, got into a lot of vitamins including stuff to boost my immune system (immune defence etc) I survived, but I will never get a flu shot again, swelling up like a balloon is not fun, let alone having chronic pain and failing organs for the rest of my life how ever long that is going to last
    Anonymous
    5th Mar 2018
    6:03pm
    Authorities dont say you "wont" get the flu but the side effects will be a lot less.
    There is no "live virus" in the vaccine.

    "The mild symptoms that some people get after vaccination are usually related to the vaccine generating an immune response. This is how vaccines work — by “training” the immune system to recognise parts of the influenza virus, it can respond more effectively when it encounters the real thing. There is no “live virus” in the flu shot. Your body responds to parts of the flu virus in the vaccine; you cannot “catch the flu” from it.

    All brands of flu vaccine available in Australia are safe; researchers are continuing to monitor for any side-effects week-by-week using SMS feedback from people who have been recently vaccinated."
    lasaboy
    12th May 2018
    6:35pm
    That's total BS, they are not safe, the side effects will kill you in so many thousands, I survived, but a number of others did not, and everyone refused to even suspect the flu shot was the cause, yet without any other shots but that obe flu shot I almost died and a number of organs failed or were failing
    caporal
    1st Mar 2018
    4:50pm
    I am 73 yrs old , and NEVER had a flu shot !! I may get the flu once every 10 yrs , but hardly get sick from the flu !! just a running nose ! and yes I try to live a very healthy life ( proper diet , exercise , etc , etc .
    KSS
    1st Mar 2018
    7:50pm
    If all you get is a runny nose then it is not the flu.
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2018
    10:48am
    I play tennis twice a week, do weights in the gym three days and after a 5klm walk each day practice my martial arts, and I still get a flu shot. Never had a runny nose though :)
    Sophie
    3rd Mar 2018
    11:25am
    caporal...

    Some people infected with the flu virus don’t show symptoms..but can be carriers and pass it on to others. You say you’re 73 and I am assuming you may come into contact with many other people your age who are very vulnerable..

    The symptoms for both flu and cold overlap..so you can have a runny nose…

    Might be a good idea to consider a flu shot...
    Maggie
    24th May 2018
    11:36am
    You can have a runny nose and declare that you have the flu! A lot of people do that until they really do have the flu....
    ROB
    24th May 2018
    12:26pm
    Well done caporal.

    I am still wondering why so many people are happy to have so many poisons injected into their blood stream with a vaccination that has never been trialled with double blind controlled studies, has never been proven to find if it will actually do as stated, has so many harmful side effects and the Pharma and doctors take no responsibility for any resulting damage or issues. Just reading the documentation enclosed with the vaccinations is like a nightmare in itself.
    Suzie
    1st Mar 2018
    10:02pm
    I think a runny nose is classed as ""MAN FLU "" Kss '
    lasaboy
    2nd Mar 2018
    12:16am
    I wish what I had was a runny nose, I was so sick for three months my life simply stopped, then I got pneumonia and the docs gave me a series of the heaviest antibiotics I have ever been on over three weeks, did the trick but even now after all these months I have still not recovered, managed to put in under an hour in the yard today and I am so tired and sick now I can't sleep, thank god for netflix
    Lookfar
    3rd Mar 2018
    12:11pm
    Placido, shouldn't that read Placebo?

    4th Mar 2018
    6:55pm
    Last year I waited longer for a more efficient vaccine and neither of us were ill at all.

    Doctors told us to also wait this year for the more effective vaccine and we will do so. I always get a flu shot and it certainly works for us.
    Anonymous
    4th Mar 2018
    6:58pm
    As one of the unlucky ones who lost most of their hearing about 8 years ago (I had not had a vaccination at that stage) due to catching the flu I just cannot understand why so many are adverse to getting one.
    Lookfar
    4th Mar 2018
    7:52pm
    Hi Radish, how did you lose your hearing through the Flu? please?
    Anonymous
    5th Mar 2018
    6:05pm
    Can read all about it here. My normal doctor was away and when he returned thankfully he put me straight onto steroids but the damage was already done. He managed to save the little bit I now have.

    https://jtahealthsafetynoise.com.au/blog/influenza-induced-hearing-loss
    quiltynut
    12th May 2018
    11:02am
    Our GP had the multi strain high dose flu vaccine almost 2 weeks ago, we were advised by him to hold off until this stronger dose vaccine became available and were advised immediately the practice acquired it.
    john
    24th May 2018
    11:17am
    This is an old story, I have mine done, cost nothing , and it is the 4 strain different & new one .Not wise for people to wait, or telling them to wait.
    They were getting low on some supply, but it was available last week.
    Possumlove
    23rd Jun 2018
    4:02am
    Im 54 years never had a flu and NEVER will i put that rubbish into my HEALTHY body they can go F themselves god knows what they are putting in those vaccines no thankyou and if im a carrier too bad and if they are old and die of it then its their time anyway


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