Abbott safe as PM, for now

Positive poll results seem to have secured Tony Abbott’s position as Prime Minister.

Less than one month after Tony Abbott survived a leadership spill, his position as Prime Minister of Australia seems to be safe. At least for now. The latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll published on Sunday night showed the most promising results for the Coalition since October 2014.

According to the poll results, the Coalition has made up significant ground in both two-party preferred voting and primary voting. Labor lead the Coalition on two-party preferred voting 51 – 49, while the Coalition leads primary voting with 42 per cent of the vote, compared with Labor’s 36 per cent. Mr Abbott has also gained significant ground over the past few weeks in the preferred prime minister polling, cutting Bill Shorten’s 16 point lead to just five (44 – 39).

Mr Abbott will try to keep scoring runs this week by releasing the Intergenerational Report, dumping key policy measures that have been weakening his government’s position, attempting to set a renewable energy target, killing off the Medicare co-payment and announcing a deployment of more troops to Iraq.

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Opinion: Malcolm in the middle

Last month’s leadership spill rang alarm bells for the Prime Minister, with several front benchers publically promising their support, yet voting against him in the secret ballot. Since the spill, we have seen Mr Abbott radically change his views on certain policies and show stronger leadership in an attempt to improve his party’s poll position. How long can he keep this up without another slip? Time will tell.

There is no question that the latest poll results reflect favourably on the recent performance of the Prime Minister, but surprisingly, hidden in the poll results, we find that just 20 per cent of those polled believe that Mr Abbott enjoys the confidence of his party. Furthermore, they believe that Malcolm Turnbull enjoys the confidence of 50 per cent of his party.

This leads us to the preferred Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull – the man lurking in the shadows. Mr Turnbull is clearly the preferred Liberal leader with 39 per cent of the vote, ahead of Julie Bishop in second place with 24 per cent followed by Mr Abbott with just 19 per cent.

Mr Turnbull made it clear over the weekend that there is no short-term intention for a leadership spill, with the NSW state election to be held on 28 March. With more than a year and half until the next Australian federal election, Mr Turnbull is in no rush to push for his place as Prime Minister of Australia. Instead, he will sit back and strike when the time is right.

What do you think? Is Tony Abbott safe in his position as Prime Minister? Have you seen a change in Mr Abbott since the leadership spill? Would you trust Mr Turnbull more than you would trust Tony Abbott?





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    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    10:21am
    And so the media plays the game one way and then back the other. I doubt that Abbott will be going to the next election as PM unless the polls go his way.
    I am betting that the media, having run their anti-Abbott campaign, now turns around and runs another propaganda campaign similar to the last election campaign. Unless Rupert Murdoch has turned on Abbott (unlikely) guess who the media's horse will be?
    Hasbeen
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:55pm
    Abbott certainly has nothing to fear from that slim ball Turnbull. Liberal members were bombarded with mail telling them in no uncertain terms what would happen to their re-election chances, if Turnbull became leader. They were told it would be somewhere between none & stuff all.

    I think they are now realising it is only Labor voters, with their unerring ability to pick no hopers as leaders, who want him. We need to be sure we only elect as leader, someone smart enough to see through the global warming fraud, & that rules out Turnbull & Bishop. It also rules out the entire Labor party.

    As the US & Northern Asia continue to sink their developing little ice age, we may see some sensible & courageous lefties come forward. Until then, it's go Tony Go.
    kjw
    3rd Mar 2015
    4:42pm
    Hasbeen
    Do you really believe in Abbott? He seems to me to be a no hoper, a dud, a twit or maybe just plain idiotic. I have listened to this educated man make a complete baboon of himself time and time again. (Actually almost every time he opens his mouth.)
    Also Global Warming may be a fraud. It may not be happening, it may not be humans making it occur. I do, however believe in insurance. If global warming is not real and we try to solve it, we cost ourselves some money. If it is real and we do nothing... I like to take out insurance on bad things that may affect my life.
    bartpcb
    3rd Mar 2015
    10:39am
    Abbott shouldn't feel safe. His record as a manager is extremely poor. Bullying and arrogance have become his trade mark. The public know that the only reason he is going back on some of his polices like medical co-payment etc is because and only because he can see it ending his immediate future. The public know if he secured his position as PM after the next election, he will attempt to bring that back. The pensioners know he his after their hard earned assets in order to appease the young. The pensioner vote can topple him and he knows it. The students know he won't give up trying to make them pay, and they can topple him. The Liberals know all this and will find ways to get rid of him. When they do, it will be about the only sensible thing they will have done in a long time.
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:11pm
    Yes, arrogance and bullying are not a good look for any PM. Look what happened to Kevin O7. His stewardship of Australia set Australia's finances into a nose dive( how's that for Kevin's record as a manager?) that even now Abbott is finding it difficult to persuade the Senate in getting our economy back into the black.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:42pm
    Not too sure about that wally. The media was after Rudd but the nails in the coffin which ended the game was the backstabbing. Having said that Gillard did achieve significant legislation but the public had decided...with a bit of help from the media.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:43pm
    Best move since one of them Rode His Push Bike into Lake Burly Griffin !! :-)
    dougie
    3rd Mar 2015
    11:08am
    Again we all jump in and condemn. I feel that the man and his Cabinet have achieved a lot over the short period in Government. Sure it is not all as we want it to be but it is a start. Mr Shorten appears to be a rude and vicious little man with the small man syndrome. As a member of the community who has no party affiliation in any way, I cannot see past the part that he played in the Rudd - Gillard - Rudd fiasco. I also see the part he played in the Tasmanian mine disaster as being self serving and his ladder to a position in the parliament of Australia.
    I say let him pass the legislation that the government has before the Senate and any that is yet to come before the Senate and if it proves Abbott to be wrong then ipso facto Shorten and Labor will win the next election and they can replace the legislation with their own. This was seen with "Stopping the Boats" and the Carbon Tax and the Mining Tax and Labor can do the same.
    The Senate is necessary as a House of Review not a House of NEgativity and Damnation.
    Let the Government Govern and the Opposition prepare for their time to come in Government. Forget the politics and remember our great country and the people within.
    Wstaton
    3rd Mar 2015
    11:15am
    I bet you think that Abbott wasn't a vicious man when he was in office. Still is as a matter of fact.
    dougie
    3rd Mar 2015
    11:53am
    I did not say that, but what I will say is that by their own admission most of their legislation was passed during their term in Government. What I do feel is as I said let them govern and if they are wrong we as a community will vote them out at the next election. Is that not fair and decent. Maybe even the PUP Party will get to govern and we see a different side of politics again.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    11:58am
    Dougie,
    Just let them STUFF the country (either side of politics) and we'll wear "The Brunt".
    Is that the attitude we should adopt????
    dougie
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:22pm
    Patriot,

    Short of anarchy what else can we do. We speak out to our local members, this may or may not be acted upon. Political parties need to be assured that if they do not generally follow the community needs, not wants, then their time is limited. We all have the power of the voting box. Use it!
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:30pm
    Are you serious dougie???? The only rude and vicious person I can think of is Abbott and some of his front bench: nasty pieces of work who use vile language when they refer to their counterparts in the opposition and who blame Labor for their own mistakes.
    If you assert that Shorten is "rude and vicious" I can only assume that your comment is a paid political advertisement as it is totally contrary to the facts.
    If you want to DEMAND that legislation be passed by the senate then I ask you to talk about Abbott in opposition. Different rules eh! Your comment about the senate being "a House of Negativity and Damnation" describes Abbott in opposition and his mode of operation.
    I might remind you that Shorten has not voted against all of Abbott's legislation...like Abbott did in opposition. No mention of that either.
    As I said before.....your post is a paid political add for the government.
    Tombo
    3rd Mar 2015
    1:52pm
    Hey Dougie, Mick always accuses anyone having the temerity to disagree with him as being in the pay of (usually) the Liberals. Mick really believes that he is such a threat to their existence that a political party will actually pay people to counter his overheated scribblings. What a joke!
    dougie
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:06pm
    Mick,
    Here we go again Mick, just because one has a differing point of view to yours I am condemned as a political hack for the party he does not believe in. Read again my post Mick, I declared my political position, I do not support any person or party just the right to make a statement as I see it. This is my right. You sir if you make such defamatory statements do not deserve the right to use this or any other post. If you can prove other than my statement of independence from any political party, prove it. If you cannot prove it than just do not bother to comment on my statements. Put up Mick or shut up.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:17pm
    Dougie,
    I – like you & many others – am sick to “The pit of my Stomach” to be forced to vote for the candidate that - it looks like (hopefully) – will do the “Least harm”!

    Let's stage a “Hypothetical”.
    If the Sunday family dinner was served with 3 choices of desert: No1 laced with Strychnine, No2 laced with Rat Poison and No3 enhanced with arsenic, would you elect to “Take Part” in desert or would you PASS.

    I have PASSED for the last 35 years now and refused to “PLAY THEIR GAME”.
    Either I have gone in, had my name crossed out and walked out with the ballot papers in my pocket (being chased down the road on some occasions) or adopted the procedure as outlined below!
    IF there was an independent who I liked and thought was genuine, I would tick his/her name on the ballot paper, put a HORIZONTAL line through each & every other candidate's NAMES & TICK BOXES with the instruction that the “Candidates Crossed out were UNSUITABLE and therefore MUST NOT be considered at all including in distributing preferences”.

    Voting for an Independent who allocates preferences is – indirectly – still voting for the LEAST of the EVIL OPTIONS presented!
    BOTH sides of Politics are CONTROLLED 100% by external – non-elected – forces!

    I believe that a “Change in Attitude & Perception of the Minor Parties/Independents is required IF they want to be considered as a viable alternative.
    They MUST form an AMALGAMATED PLATFORM as a COALITION. After all, the CORE POLICIES of (almost all) of them are very similar and even the “Side Issues (Specific Ideologies)” usually are captured under the CORE POLICIES headings (sometimes Indirectly).
    Like, animal cruelty is not accepted (generally) as people who enjoy seeing animals suffer also have no respect for humans. Or, Senior & Disabled people must be taken care of as those “now young” will eventually become senior &/or disabled.

    Let's look (& Learn) how the BOYS did this in the past (and still do). The Nationals amalgamated with the Country party to form a “Stronger Force to Deal with” and so become more powerful.
    Look at the Nationals & Liberals. For years they have remained parties with an INDEPENDENT IDENTITY under A COALITION and – because of this – they have beaten Labour at the polls many times. Even today, although they have formed the LNP, they MAINTAIN an INDEPENDENT IDENTITY whilst forming a COALITION government.
    NO Coalition, LABOUR would be unbeatable!!!!!

    The Minor Parties MUST abandon their “Trivial Thinking” of independent power and become prepared to surrender each & everyone's desire to become Prime Minister of Aust. &/or Party Leader.
    They “Just wont get there” and neither do they deserve to “Get Their” if their “Vision, Strategy & Understanding” is so limited!!!!
    I is my interpretation that – if they refuse/fail to take such action in order to present a “Real Alternative” to the Australian people, they just MUST be too Selfish and therefore not have the Aust People “At Heart”
    The equation is – I my opinion – very simple ==> CHANGE or PERISH!!!!!
    Lets stop supporting the ROTTEN SYSTEM Put in place by the INTERNATIONAL INDUSTRIALISTS via OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES & stop “Playing THEIR Game”.

    To Conclude the following link (once again) is to download a booklet written by Arther Chresby who was a member for Griffith for many years and also a Constitutional Analyst.

    http://www.clrg.info/2011/02/your-will-be-done-by-arthur-a-chresby-ebook/

    I – personally – have been writing “My WILL” letters to my Elected Representatives with very little response.
    If many more voters were taking the same action/Responsibility and imposed it onto their ER's, the general opinion about US might just change and they might start to realise that we are not quite as DUMB as they think/hope we are and that we are “Studying Up” on the mechanisms to regain control of our (and our Grand/Kids) destiny.

    The “How To's” are clearly outlined in the download as provided.

    Study it & implement it if you want to become a “Force to be Reckoned with!
    It's UP-to-US to stop PLAYING-THEIR-GAMERS !!!
    dougie
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:59pm
    Mick, my invitation is still open. Put up your information re my political indulgence or apologize to me for your rudeness.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:44pm
    Make a response. Dougie produced a government add. Are we seeing the new avatars of Solomon, Frank and miss aisle?
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:56pm
    Dougie,
    Any thoughts on the suggestions I made as per above?
    They are NOT ANARCHY but a demand to enact OUR BASIC RIGHTS AS AUSTRALIANS as "Set OUT" in the Australian Constitution.
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    4:36pm
    Dougie, don't waste your time on mick, he is a politician who supports the Labor Party. Possibly paid by the CFMEU/Get Up to peddle his partisan politics.
    dougie
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:33pm
    Frank,
    And I thought that the cowards castle was Parliament House where you can say what you want and not be taken to task. Looks like I was wrong again.

    Mick,

    Where is my government add? If there is one I certainly did not produce it.
    KSS
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:50pm
    Dougie, Mick has never responded to my challenge to put up or shut up either.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:53pm
    Good try Frank. You are fully aware that I attack both sides. What I will not stand for is lying trolls who peddle their employer's wares and refuse to tell the truth. You sound so much like your boss.
    dougie
    4th Mar 2015
    8:34am
    Mick,
    So mick with your attack on me I can only guess that you feel that I am a lying troll for my Boss. My Boss is the little lady that I have been married to for 56 years, no other. I consider that your labelling me a lying troll shows just how stupid some of your comments are. Yet I am puzzled because you make some very wise comments but then when people state their thoughts you seem to have a brain explosion.
    Adrianus
    4th Mar 2015
    9:35am
    dougie, you must have said something logical which forced mick to question his ideology. His hard drive was unable to cope and therefore you must be a "lying troll."
    pate
    3rd Mar 2015
    11:15am
    Plus the lies come thick & fast even the news one minute told me tht Tony Abbott had picked up by a whopping 2% the news about an about 1 hour later said that he had gatherd 4% increase! I wish they would make up their mind or is it that they were still running the poll?
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:33pm
    People are going to wake up to the media and to who controls them in time. The media is a laughing stock runs by jackasses calling themselves 'journalists'.
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:36pm
    Well, all the chopping, changing and confusion does sell newspapers and increase the ratings in the broadcast media. Polls? Don't believe everything they suggest. If you ask the True Believer Labor voters who they'd prefer, (Malcolm or Tony), who do you think they would say they preferred?
    The question not asked is whether a change in the Liberal leadership would result in their voting Liberal instead of Labor. Most True Believers I know would rather cut off their right arm than vote Liberal, so how useful would the poll be in predicting the outcome of an election more than a year away? If the Liberals allow themselves to be spooked this early in the electoral cycle and dump Abbott in the near future, they will split their party and be committing electoral suicide when the election rolls around next year.
    Meanwhile, the Media Circus grinds on.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    11:22am
    With the imcompetence that Tony has displayed during his years in government, I am certain that he is NOT safe. Just remember there is NO HONOUR AMONGST THIEVES!!!!!!!

    As far as his immediate threat - Malcolm Turnbull - is concerned observe the following section copied from the MT Wiki: " . . . . . . . . until 1997, when Turnbull moved to become a managing director and later a partner of Goldman Sachs . . . . . !"
    So let's not forget that he is an EX International Banker!!!! HE STILL GOT MATES!!!!!!!

    Additional to that, (It is my humble opinion that) he certainly has more CLASS & DECORUM in his left small toe than Tony (& Joe for that matter) will ever have in his/their WHOLE BODY.
    He will NOT be an EMBARASSEMENT for Australians to represent us.

    In the end, who is in government does not really matter.
    The SHADOW & UNSEEN Government of Australia & the World loads the gun and the Australian Government just fires THEIR (not OUR) bullets!
    Such no matter if this is the correct action "FOR & ON BEHALF of & TO THE BENEFIT of (it almost always does NOT) the Australian people.
    Judy in the hills
    3rd Mar 2015
    11:39am
    I am getting quickly sick and tired of media reports all the time that are "cooked up" to make headlines. For heavens sake, Tony Abbott is leading a party which swept to power in the lower house, only to be stymied by the upper house unruly membership full of people like Clive Parmer and his ilk. These people combined with the Labor group only want to try and stall anything the Liberals bring forward to try and correct somewhat the financial mess Labor left for Australia etc. etc. Under the circumstances, Tony and Co are doing a good job. As for Malcolm Turnbull I don't think I would trust him. He is not Prime Minister material and I sincerely hope he is never successful in slithering into such a position. If anyone would suit as an alternative it would NOT be Turnbull. Rather Scott Morrison.
    btony
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:14pm
    And Tony Abbot's nickname in opposition?....MR NO!
    How conveniently LNP supporters forget and justify that
    If it's good for the goose etc etc
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:35pm
    There seems to be different rules for the other side of politics. Abbott has NEVER had a mandate for much of what he is proposing. These things are all BROKEN ELECTION PROMISES which Abbott never had any intention of keeping.
    I for one will not support an inveterate liar whose interests lie with shovelling money into the bank accounts of the rich whilst asking average AUstralians to pay. This is wrong! And it is most certainly unAustralian.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:53pm
    btony
    Just because the opposition sas NO ALL THE TIME (and I agree with you about Tony when he was in opposition) should NOT MEAN that this MUST work the other way.
    Integrity MUST DICTATE how one votes and the ELECTOR'S WISHES MUST be HONOURED all the time.
    Doing the same in opposition as was done to you is CHILD'S play and MUST NOT be condoned.
    WE - THE PEOPLE - are the ones who get hurt!!!!
    Our only CRIME is that we trusted those who we elected and we now are starting to PAY A HIGH PRICE for this "Lack-of-Vigilence".
    Oldie84
    3rd Mar 2015
    1:28pm
    Hi Judy, with most of the correspondents here you simply wasting your breath. I fully agree with you. Abbot has his flaws, but so have all of us, but he is a decent man, Father, Husband and intelligent. Turnbull certainly has the gift of the Gab b ut as a previous Deputy Chief Minister of the NT proves that counts for little. It's a pity that we want our Politicians to be Leaders with Visions but want them to do what we want. Then we cripple their ability to carry out their job by electing a dysfunctional Senate. We know the Government can't keep on spending more than they take in indefinitely but we insist someone else pays the taxes, not us and no cuts to us. Were will all this end? I have no idea but reading a lot comments here I hold out little hope.
    DC
    3rd Mar 2015
    1:48pm
    Congratulations Judy and Oldi81, you are lone voices of reason given the vitriol splashed out here by obviously "paid" Labor stooges like 'Mick' and others of his ilk who cannot see past their bigoted own noses.
    Jude
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:14pm
    I'm another who agrees with you and don't believe the media reports, especially the biased ABC. Unlike some ALP voters I remember the days of 22% interest rates under Labor, the huge deficit left behind each time the ALP has a spell in government, and more recently the two PM's who were 'sacked' by 'Shifty' Shorten. Unbelievable that he is now their leader!
    Tony Abbott gets criticised whatever he does, some deserved, some not, but what he is attempting to do is for the good of our country.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:25pm
    oldi81, Jude & DC
    Download & Read the booklet for which the I have provided a link as below.
    https://archive.org/details/TheMoneyTrick
    Money does NOT GROW ON TREES and the booklet FULLY explains the SIMPLICITY that is part of the Money Creation Proces.
    WE are all reduced to SLAVES!!!
    PLEASE READ IT!!!
    btony
    3rd Mar 2015
    5:05pm
    I'm totally with you Patriot,it is childish , but it seems both sides cant do any better these days.It'the easy way out.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:22pm
    It is clear that the poster using the names of Solomon, Frank and miss aisle now has new aliases.
    Readers will believe little of the propaganda above. It is what it is. Sounds more like the next push for Abbott is on. Good luck.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:47pm
    Please NO !! :-( I'm sick of listening to those Grammar School Clowns !! :-) Bring back Keating and lets Hear some Australian again !! :-)
    I'm sure they Slept through Classes ? :-)
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:46pm
    Never mind Keating. Bring back the Canberra Punch and Judy Show with Shrieking Julia slobbering and clobbering the misogynists left and right!
    rtrish
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:19pm
    While I trust Malcolm Turnbull more than Abbott, I also remember what Malcolm was like as leader previously. He wasn't perfect. At the moment he looks better than Tony because, frankly, who wouldn't. I still don't think Malcolm is ideal to lead the country. Neither is Julie Bishop - she's doing brilliantly now but not always so in the past. In fact, sadly, there's NO clear leader. But Tony has NOT changed for the better and inevitably I think he must go.
    Ming
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:33pm
    Looks like the only acceptable solution is to go back to the mob that created the problem, That Mr Shorten looks like a real miracle man.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:37pm
    Vote for an Independent whose preference goes to Labor. Anything else just keeps the game going on forever with never a repair of either side of politics. It comes down to whether or voters in this country are smart enough to ignore the political advertising and vote for a change in behaviour.
    Your choice!
    KSS
    3rd Mar 2015
    1:00pm
    "Vote for an Independent whose preference goes to Labor."

    And there we have it: a vote for an Independent is a vote for Labor. Vote Independent knowing they will not be elected and they will install the Labor candidate! No lessons learned at all. Just cut out the middle-man and save time and money!
    Polly Esther
    3rd Mar 2015
    1:49pm
    Hey Mick, why not just vote for Labor whose preference goes to an Independent?
    Killing two birds with the one stone.
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:46pm
    mick, your suggestion of voting independent reminds me of the true blue, fair dinkum, ridgey didge independent who "allegedly" flattened the Ryde NSW mayor recently. Maybe we should nominate him to stand for a federal seat in 2016! At least we would know what we would be getting!
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:26pm
    One has to be careful not to back a horse whose vote goes to the worst of political parties. Currently this is the current government. Perhaps in the next election it will be the other side. The goal post always change, as do governments.
    Whilst I would like to see the end of the preferential system one has to be careful that one is not voting for the worst party. There lies the twist.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:15pm
    Wally You don't Shoot every Horse in the Stables because one of them Kicked a Jockey !! :-(
    wally
    4th Mar 2015
    12:15am
    Maybe the jockey deserved kicking.
    particolor
    4th Mar 2015
    9:50am
    My Dad said that about Hand Brake Harry !! :-)
    Ming
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:31pm
    Oh gosh! the media who collectively have done everything they could to remove Mr Abbott, have failed, but not to worry they will maintain their pressure with the assistance of the quislings within the Liberal party, many of whom are only in parliament as a consequence of the effectiveness of Mr Abbott when he was the leader of the opposition. Could the plotters just get some courage of their convictions and admit to their treason.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    12:39pm
    Funny Ming, a lot of the liberal MPs are stooges put in to be puppets. Now that they look like losing their seats and not getting the golden parachute they are revolting. Sounds fair to me. Perhaps there is some justice in this world after all.
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:52pm
    I am coming around to the view that a lot of the Liberals in the House of Reps are Liberals because the Labor caucus would not give them pre-selection to stand as Labor candidates.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:26pm
    ????
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:53pm
    Because Bo Bo the Clown would not Step Aside and let someone with more Experience take over !! :-)
    Grateful
    3rd Mar 2015
    1:03pm
    Did you read ALL the results of those polls. They were a disaster for Abbott. The two Party numbers were in anticipation of Abbott NOT being there at the next election. But, how piss weak are the so called "alternatives"? Just waiting for someone else to do the dirty work. Some alternative "leadership'. Turnbull asks Bishop if she would run as his deputy "if there was a spill", now, Bishop, buoyed by her "popularity (what has she done???) says, no, I'll stand for leader "if there is a spill". If I was down the pub now, as Abbott seems to use as his gauge, I'd be calling them weak as piss.

    Abbott has NO hope of winning the next election if he goes in as leader, he is done and dusted, regardless what he attempts to do and those weakies who WILL lose their seats will certainly dump him before that election. Meanwhile, we all will have to continue putting up with the same media inflamed crap that we have had since 2008!!! And now we are going to have, yes, a piss weak Budget, when they keep telling us that we are in a financial crisis??? Pathetic.
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:58pm
    Do you believe everything you read? Or is it just "Wishin' An' Hopin'" on your part?
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:28pm
    You are wearing your bias on your sleeve wally.
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:40pm
    Nope. Just a comment on a comment.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:55pm
    Fair enough.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    9:08pm
    The Rusky's don't muck about when they want them over there to Shut Up !! :-(
    TREBOR
    3rd Mar 2015
    1:23pm
    The Libs can't ditch Tony because they made such a song and dance out of Labor changing horses in mid-stream. To do the same now would show weakness, so they're stuck with him until the next election.

    Seriously - the contenders are not up there at all any more than Tony is - I see nobody I would prefer as PM on either side right now.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:20pm
    TREBOR,
    They dont care to loose a "little bit of face".
    All they care about is to "Get Their HEAD in the TROUGH" for another 4 years.
    Wouln't you eat a "Minor bit of Humble Pie" in exchange for the Pay & Lurks" they get?
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:04pm
    WE should all remember what happened when the Labor Caucus started changing leaders and how well that worked for them in 2013. Even though they dumped Kevin 07 before the 2010 election, they didn't do it at the half way point in the electoral cycle. They waited until it became painfully obvious to all concerned that in Kevin 07 they had "saddled up a turkey" to run in the 2010 Melbourne Cup.
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:37pm
    Well before the 2007 election, I heard from a Melbourne source that Kevin 07 was going to resign within the first 12 months of the win stating ill health as his reason. Gillard was meant to be his successor. Not many in the ALP/Greens/Union/Independent party liked Kevin, but he was their only chance because nobody could mesmerise an audience like the vegemite kid. The unions think he's a real chance of pulling this off, they told me.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:29pm
    OK government troll Frank, who is the source?
    You are simply posting a political advertisement.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:00pm
    Allpoliticalstatementsonthissiteareauthorizedbytheliberparycanberra !! < Well that's how fast they say it on the TV ?? :-)
    Cheers ! :-)
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:55pm
    Clocked off already Frank? Overtime mate!
    Reeper
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:42pm
    I am utterly sick and tired of media trying to influence politics. This last Abbott bashing offensive was pure drivel. If you watched Channel 7 you would have seen one of their reporters not reporting fact, but unsubstantiated 'rumours' which it is likely the Station started. When those stories became a little fragile, a more senior reporter come onto the scene to question his own networks polling which gave Abbott some good results.
    If we are to have a truly democratic government then news media must backup their stories with auditable facts, not a sloppily put together political wishlist for very politically biased media - regardless of political leanings
    surfer
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:49pm
    I agree totally, and Abbott should be given a fair go. The media are just a bunch of communists. For the benefit of all we need the tough belt tightening or we go down the gurgler. Abbott is doing his best under extreme circumstances. As for that smug Turnbull, all he is doing is to destroy the Coalition. All for his own ends. His obnoxious wife gives me the shits. So lets leave something for the next generation.
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:49pm
    Gillard gave Chanel 7 $700m. Perhaps they are partisan.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:03pm
    Frank
    Joe - Abbot's treasurer - gave the RBA $8.8Billion against the Direct advise of the Treasury department.
    Joe's missus is an ex International Banker.
    That is, if there ever is such a situation as E$X???
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:22pm
    Patriot, my understanding is that the RBA has always held $9b in its reserve fund. However, it was Swan who robbed the RBA of its reserves. Warwick McKibbin an RBA board member accused Wayne Swan of being "reckless with the central bank's reserve fund and of economic vandalism." If you recall? Hockey was simply returning the funds.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:30pm
    Frank,
    What does your research reveal of the reasoning WHY the TREASURY DEPARTMENT (which serves You & ME) advised against this donation???
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:30pm
    Frank: at least the Labor party does not fund people to post political propaganda whilst pretending to just be an ordinary citizen. You are already uncovered...but you are not alone.
    Abby
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:43pm
    We have a lot of Union Ads on the TV with the NSW election approaching.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:26pm
    I like all the Big Guns rolling in to the NSW Election Battle !! Must be that gap in the middle of Vic and Qld they are Concerned about ??
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:45pm
    Abby, you are correct and thanks for pointing that out. Can anyone suggest better timing for the media to attack Abbott or for Triggs to attack the Abbott government?
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:26pm
    Frank ..I gave My Granma a 700 Gram Tin of Biscuits on Christmas Day !! :-) But I didn't expect Her to throw the Empty Tin at Me on Boxing Day !! :-(
    wally
    4th Mar 2015
    12:18am
    The Labor Party might not fund trolls but I wouldn't be surprised if the unions did.
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:47pm
    Tony Abbott will not be deserted by his team and he will become one of Australia's greatest Prime Ministers. Abbott has the full support of his Ministers, evidenced by the outstanding results achieved. When a Cabinet is not supportive of the leader you get the Rudd debacle. It is so refreshing to at last have a leader who cares more about the total population than how he/she looks in the media. The media can have a red hot go, but Australians are not as gullible as we perhaps were a decade ago.
    surfer
    3rd Mar 2015
    2:52pm
    Yes, Lets look at all the good things Abbott has done under tough conditions. I agree he is becoming a very good PM at a time when the Banana republic is coming too close.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:31pm
    Spoken like true cash for comment trolls.
    Anonymous
    3rd Mar 2015
    10:05pm
    Hah, ha, one of Australia's greatest prime ministers? you been living under a rock Frank? This guy is an embarrassment on the world stage and a goose in Australian politics, worst PM ever!!
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    10:24pm
    Stick a Cigar in His Gob Frank and Hell be Grater than Churchill !! :-) :-)
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    10:55pm
    Would those who are so critical of Tony Abbott care to name a Prime Minister who has had more success in his first 18 months while dealing with a hostile swilling Senate? Names please??
    Patriot
    4th Mar 2015
    8:19am
    Frank,
    The senate is only hostile because what "Tony & his clan" are trying to do is wrong for Australia & Australians.
    That is, it is NOT WRONG for the "Filthy Rich"!!!!!
    Adrianus
    4th Mar 2015
    9:22am
    You're starting to sound like a League member Patriot.
    Patriot
    4th Mar 2015
    9:28am
    League --- of what Frank ???
    Adrianus
    4th Mar 2015
    11:10am
    Abbott's level of greatness will be determined by his determination to hold his nerve in the face of insurmountable odds. He is so far making a good fist of dodging the boos, hissing, rotten tomatoes and negativity being thrown at him by a relentless media and ALP who are only interested in gossip and not the betterment of Australians.
    Yesterday has passed and unlike the media promised Abbott has not been toppled. That another media broken promise?
    You lefty nutjobs must be getting demoralised by a media which has you continually hooked on a false hope.
    Jen
    4th Mar 2015
    3:24pm
    Frank, time to emerge from topsy turvey world. It's the LNP who are the ones hissing and booing, throwing the tomatoes and indulging in relentless negativity. They blame the ALP for everything, even imagined things, and have at their helm Mr. Negativity himself, with his equally negative, lying, offsider, the world's worst treasurer preaching doom and gloom and engaging in threats. How to grow a country? Not through cuts, threats, scare tactics (war and terrorism) and screwing the average Australian who are those who do the hard work of this country, who keep the country going, without whom we'd come to a immediate halt.
    Jen
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:16pm
    Thanks Fairfax, let's keep Abbott in the job for a little while longer to ensure a LNP defeat at the next election a la Queensland style. :)
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:17pm
    Now there's a Strategist !!!
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:31pm
    A comment from a real poster. Well done Jen.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:22pm
    Apply for a job in Strategic Planning !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:48pm
    Labor strategist!!
    wally
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:52pm
    More "Wishin' an' Hopin'", Jen. When does "Catfish" Shorten come out from under his rock and tell us how he plans to keep Australia from falling into the debt trap like Greece did?
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:55pm
    Leave Him there !! We don't want to tread on the Spike again !! :-(
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:57pm
    We are all waiting for that wally. They'll all have to put up or shut up soon. I hope you remember that this government was elected with not one bit of concrete budgeting of its promises. Oh I forgot...promises are not meant to be kept.
    wally
    4th Mar 2015
    12:19am
    Yep. Just ask Julia.
    pate
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:20pm
    Srank I ak you in all ernestness in which dream did you see Abbott being one of our greatest prime ministers??? Or did you fream je was one of the luckiest having talked the cabinet out of throwing him out time & time again ??? I can remember a few who have run close to telling the lies he has told but never one who has carried on like that idiot.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:34pm
    Hard to understand pate but on the money. No comments about the lies and deceit from this government and its leader from the trolls on this site today. Just the normal spiel: attacks on Labor and a slap on the back for their crook employer.
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    10:18pm
    pate, have you been drinking?
    Tigers
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:42pm
    The sooner Abbott and Shorten are gone the better off we'll all be. One, a Pommie loving bible basher, the other a backstabbing little germ. Neither deserve a seat in parliament let alone leaders of their respective parties. If they're the best we've got, lord help us.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:48pm
    Tigers,
    That - just about - wraps it up!
    bebby
    3rd Mar 2015
    3:49pm
    Tigers, I totally agree
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    5:11pm
    Well after reading all of that Parliamentary Brawl above !! :-) And Hearing The Lanby Gutsy Speech in Parliament today She would be A SHOO IN if She Ran PM at the Next Election !! :-)
    She Speaks like an AUSTRALIAN ! With AUSTRALIAN Thoughts and Feelings !! And calls a Spade a Spade !!
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    5:13pm
    PS.. And I Very Much Doubt if She can be BOUGHT like the other CLOWNS !! :-)..
    CHEERS !! :-)
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    5:21pm
    particolor,
    I'm sure she has been bought already
    Otherwise she would not be in the positionh she's in!
    The Shadow Government leaves nothing to chance - They control everything.

    Do something about it or get used to it!
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    5:57pm
    See ?? You cant Help Yourselves !! The Populous is So Blinded to Two Gutless Parties that they May as well Join the Other Mob and Enjoy "United Australia" under Barbarian Law !! :-( :-( :-(
    She made Me feel proud to be Australian ! :-) Saying it Like It Is Not like the other Fraidy Cats and their Half hearted attempts at saying Nothing Much and Hoping it will Go Away !!.......
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:09pm
    You're right parti. Lamby probably didn't deserve to get a seat with the meagre number of votes she got, but she is sure in touch with 2nd generation Aussie opinion. There's a courage in her stance to be admired.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:23pm
    She is the First Person in there for about 10 Years that made Me feel PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN !! And I agree with Her !! :-) The person who sent Her that letter can Go And "Get Stuffed !!" :-) YAY !!
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:36pm
    Spot on Tigers. The only dissenter above is Frank, the paid government troll.
    I loved the statement Lambie made to ISIL the other day: "ISIL can get stuffed". We need more of her, not the disreputable business owned MPs we have in the parliament.
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:05pm
    Hi Glass,
    Just got my glasses on !?!?!?
    Withdraw the remark of "Being bought already" - Thought you were talking about Bishop!!!!
    Konw very little about Lamby but believe what you're saying. Did NOT see the speech.
    If shees clean at this stage - she NEEDS ALL OUR SUPPORT TO REMAIN THAT WAY so her electorate should mnake sure to provide that pressure and NOT LET HER DOWN!.
    That'sprobably why she split from PUP ???
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    5:16pm
    Please Read the Above and Disagree like I know You Will ..Please Open BOTH EYES !! :-)
    sunny boy
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:04pm
    Whilst I'm "new in town", I've been a subscriber for a little while ... reading the comments, and thinking ...
    Mine is probably the oldest body in the room ... I noticed a reference to "Douglass Credit" in this thread and that brought back a flash from my childhood ... my parents & their friends debating this issue!
    Having read the comments over many days, I can state that I "feel the pain" here ! ... regardless of political allegiance! ... considering that I lean to being a Social Democrat ...I'm accustomed to "political pain" ! so I empathize.
    Be aware that over time I frequented forums such as this, and expressed opinions such as I'm reading here.
    Then, last year I rejoined the party of my choosing and became active. Working diligently for the local candidate for N.S.W , whilst having something to say at branch meetings.... and being heard on State & Federal level !
    Yes ! ... action speaks louder than words.
    There's an old Sufi saying ... " Faith is confirmed by the Heart ... Confessed by the Tongue ...and Acted Upon by he Body " ... 'nuf sed ??

    ... Money and Media .. are the ringmasters here ... and Monkey suits (all sizes) abound !!
    ... say farewell to the Clowns ... go back to the fields (grassroots) & till the soil ... perhaps then our grandchildren will inherit something of real value ! ... and bet your life it will NOT be Money!!...
    For those of who reached this point I wish you well ... perhaps I can come again ?? ... meanwhile I'd like to hear from those who also went back to "Grassroots" !! ... spoke to the people who actually dig the ditch!! ...
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:16pm
    You sound like a Man of Elevated Years like Myself ? :-) Good to read someone with Values ! The worship of Money like today was Never Acceptable. We worked hard and long hours in My day, and Lived a Happy life !! I'm saddened to see the Direction this Once Wonderful Country is headed with Present Day Rif Raff they call Politicians !! :-(
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:39pm
    Can't disagree with too much there sunny boy. We have people who support both sides and this is the place where we can all share ideas.
    And then we have paid political trolls like Frank, to name a few, who follow the same script: attack Labor for anything and slap this government on the back for deceit and lies. Just recognise the story line and you'll be right cobber!
    Patriot
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:00pm
    sunny boy
    Welcome aboard - especially with Douglas Social Credit understanding.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:13pm
    Mick I treat all commentators and Participants as Equals and roll with the Punches !No use getting Hoity with them :-) Makes them Worse ! :-) See Above !! Where You met with all that approval of Your Posts !! :-) :-)
    I'm so Glad I don't like any of the Combatants in any Party now in any Parliament, Independence is Freedom !! :-) Its a Spectator Sport to Me now !! I just sit back and watch Who Can Sell The Most in a Term !.. Anyone for some Used Poles and Wires ?? :-=) :-)
    Oars
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:33pm
    The social changes over the last decade have been rapid, partly due to our soft stand on crims, and partly because we "lost our identity". The word "multinational" is not accurate. It's more like a tip that accepts any rubbish, including the abnoxious waste!
    Get that one lads ?
    Nite Nite- off to my day job -early.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:59pm
    I must be getting old particolor as I have little patience for corruption and dishonesty. Little wonder I cannot tolerate Frank and his other aliases.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    9:14pm
    Yes I saw Your Comment Mick !! :-) I think they have retired for a Sumptuous Meal in Party Headquarters ?? :-) :-)
    Abby
    3rd Mar 2015
    6:44pm
    We will see what hapens with the Ides of March approaching.
    Adrianus
    3rd Mar 2015
    7:53pm
    Yes we will see how many ideas Shorten can come up with during Ides month?
    Oars
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:28pm
    The budget is out in MAY- why do we all have to wait around till then to make a decision. Are we all sheep?
    Oars
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:27pm
    So the Labor losers are up to their age-old tactic of trying to undermine their opponents' leadership. Why can't they just settle down and accept that they totally stuffed up in their last flurry of spending, and try to realize that WE WILL NEVER FORGET THEIR OVERSPEND.
    Sorry you di-hard laborites. Facts are facts. Please try to keep your shirt on as you rev up to respond. nite Nite.
    Ming
    3rd Mar 2015
    8:47pm
    So now the polls don't really represent the real picture, they represent something that might exist in the future. What rot. You are so correct Oars. The left say we of the right show our prejudices, what do the left show? THEIR STUPIDITY.
    MICK
    3rd Mar 2015
    9:04pm
    Same old spiel Oars...or whoever. Don't bother to look at how Abbott and his crew got to the job and the lies and deceit they have unleashed on average Australians since. Piles heaps of $ on the debt as well.
    It would be good if the Liberal trolls gave a fair and honest account of the FACTS. Like leader like employee? Methinks you and you leader may be two peas in the pod from what you write.
    If you want respect stick to the facts and avoid the dishonest propaganda. It works.
    particolor
    3rd Mar 2015
    9:18pm
    Good Luck to all those Fortunate enough to have a Shirt to Keep On !! :-)
    wally
    4th Mar 2015
    12:29am
    Mick, are you suggesting that the Unions and their Labor Party flunkies only tell us TRUE propaganda?
    geomac
    4th Mar 2015
    11:57pm
    Abbott has backtracked on things again to save his job. Fair enough as his policies were never what he said before being elected. In fact his policies were things he said he would not do or contemplate. He demonstrates no human decency or integrity as PM but never displayed much in all his time as a politician. Charity runs that he booked as business, 300 bucks a night while engaging in his hobby. Same with Slippers wedding who he later castigated in parliament for political points. Slipper, the man whose vote got him the LOTO job. It was Abbott who demanded the 6 months without dole policy. A man who never had a job till he was thirty and lived off his parents, scholarship and the church.
    He is one gaffe away from another party spill. Time running out for a change may save him though.
    Jen
    5th Mar 2015
    11:26am
    Agree, this man has no integrity or morals. He gave boats to Sri Lanka to stop people heading our way and sent back Sri Lankans to incarceration, beatings, torture (including branding) and rape. (Documented on Four Corners.) All of this Tony Abbott calls "difficult decisions." And now, he's hosting International Women's Day at an exclusive Men-only club. How apt for our disgraceful Minister for Women. "Clueless" would be the nicest way to describe him.
    Patriot
    5th Mar 2015
    12:29pm
    Jen,
    You indeed are "Very Nice & Civil" referring to those Criminals in Canberra.
    If I were to express what I feel about them, I am sure that I would be banned from this forum.
    Jen
    5th Mar 2015
    12:50pm
    Me too Patriot. Criminals is the word I had in mind.
    Adrianus
    5th Mar 2015
    1:10pm
    If you want to talk about criminals don't forget to mention the ones that have actually been found guilty by the courts. People like Craig Thompson and Michael Williamson from HSU. Gee your beloved leader is still involved heavily in HSU politics. What's that all about?
    Jen
    5th Mar 2015
    1:16pm
    I'd be happy to see Craig Thompson in jail but at least he's not the criminal running the country. Craig Thompson was removed and charged quite some time ago. And he did a lot less damage than Abbott & co. Got anything better?
    Patriot
    5th Mar 2015
    2:27pm
    fRnk,
    The Liberals do NOT need defending & the Labourites be KICKED in the guts.

    I did not single out ONE party but referred to "those Criminals in Canberra".
    My previous posts should have confirmed that ALL PARTY POLITICIANS were to be included in this remark!
    Judy in the hills
    5th Mar 2015
    12:33pm
    I think and hope Abbott is as safe as houses. The only person that could compete would be Scott Morrison I think. Turnbull is too unreliable; and I don't think he can attract enough support - well I hope not anyway. Tony Abbott did after all win the last election with a very large win in the lower house. Pity he didn't get enough support in the upper house, but there are too many silly people in that house - Palmer, Lambie, etc.
    geomac
    5th Mar 2015
    12:48pm
    Well Judy he promised about a dozen things he would not do if elected and broke them all. He has destroyed the contract between him and the voter that goes with gaining office. Nothing he says in the future will be believed by anyone except perhaps people like yourself.
    Adrianus
    5th Mar 2015
    12:56pm
    Judy I agree! And may I say, it's great to see someone with a good grasp on what it takes to be a leader. Turnbull is a little too much like Rudd. He gives the impression that he would easily sacrifice his principles for personal gain. People will not follow a person who moves the goal posts halfway through the game. Abbott and Morrison are good for Australia. These two continue to show good leadership skills. Australians can feel safe under their leadership.
    geomac
    5th Mar 2015
    1:37pm
    Frank
    What do you call no cuts to health and the ABC ? The PPL was solid gold policy but has been ditched. Savage cuts to the ABC and a 4 year freeze on Medicare rebates plus whatever else they have up their sleeve. That is changing the goal posts by anyones definition. The coalition claimed a budget deficit crisis but increased debt to GDP from 1.9% to 3%. Increased largesse to the well off by stopping revenue raising measures implemented by the last govt and then cries poor ? Hands the RBA 9 billion pushing up debt then attacks the average worker and lower income class with cuts. They are all over the shop with the words not matching the actions.
    Frank they cannot even describe the goals while moving them against us.
    Patriot
    5th Mar 2015
    2:18pm
    geomac,

    Well said --- THEY ARE ALL CRIMINALS !!!
    particolor
    5th Mar 2015
    3:49pm
    IVE NOTICED A FAIR BIT OF SHOUTING ON HERE ??
    YOU NEVER SEE ME DOING THAT !!
    Adrianus
    5th Mar 2015
    4:36pm
    I will be shouting too if the government gives any more money to Cadbury. Abbott's reasoning a year ago was that Cadbury was not simply a chocolatier but also a tourism operator. Well I visited Cadbury to find out how they were promoting tourism for Tasmania and I was not impressed. They charged me $4 to get into their shop. The manufacturing section was closed to tourists. A waste of $3m.
    Previous governments have been conned into handing over taxpayer funds to businesses which are obviously insolvent because of a range of commercial factors, some of which may be outside their control such as Government settings. But if, as in the case of Cadbury, they make poor management decisions like donating to the Halal Authority, then I say let them stand or fall on their own.
    particolor
    5th Mar 2015
    4:44pm
    Did You see the Imam there in His Nighty Blessing the Chocky's Frank ?? :-) :-) :-)
    Patriot
    5th Mar 2015
    5:56pm
    Frank,
    Me think that To(o)ny & Joe are partial to Carbury Chocolate and they want to keep it open to ensure that the recipe does not chenge.
    This point might have been part of the discussions/conditions !?!?!?
    Not Senile Yet!
    5th Mar 2015
    4:46pm
    Doesn't matter which idiot liberal is leader...Abbott or Malcolm...both have to what the Invisible Caucus Party tells them to do to keep the job....same as any member of any Party.....do as we tell you or NO pre-selection for you at the next election!!!!
    They are all just Puppets and the Party Controls them.....Regardless of which Party it is....no MP is allowed to disagree with his Party Policies and survive!!!!
    Theses Puppets do not represent US...they represent THEIR PARTY (MOB) who doesn't give a hoot for the average Ozzie.
    STOP VOTING for the CORRUPT MONGRELS!!!!
    Vote all of the Puppets OUT next election or pay the Price!!!
    Patriot
    5th Mar 2015
    6:16pm
    NSY,
    Your "handle" does you proud as you certainly are NOT senile yet and know/understand very well what's going on!!!

    The link below (for downloading) has the booklet by the name of "Thy will be done" which sets out many mechanisms to frustrate our ER's by telling them what to do and also provides a voting mechanism that ensures prefferential Voting is not Applied to your ballot paper.
    http://www.clrg.info/2011/02/your-will-be-done-by-arthur-a-chresby-ebook/

    We have to Stop bitching about our pollies as, every day the issues presented & discussed by this forum are Identical with a few nuances of difference.
    Action rather than bitching if THE WORD!
    Not Senile Yet!
    5th Mar 2015
    4:48pm
    No Leader is safe....they are controlled by their Caucus.....disobey and they will be replaced!!!
    How can one be a leader when the real Power lies within an invisible Causcus....of which more than half are not MP's???
    Not Senile Yet!
    5th Mar 2015
    4:52pm
    Scalping is illegal....yet the Caucus can Scalp a Leader whenever it wants!!! So can a Party Dominate and Control all the MP's it financed into their seats. It is the Parties themselves that have become corrupted with Power and now control the Votes in Parliament.
    Stop voting for them......you have the Power not to give YOUR Vote to the Party Puppets....thus putting a stop to their corruption!!!