NSW election win good for PM

The results are in – the Liberals win the NSW election and the Aussie’s win the World Cup.

NSW election win good for PM

Mike Baird won a second term of government in NSW on Saturday, and immediately launched a campaign to deliver 150,000 jobs and has claimed a mandate to privatise energy supply to the state. He has also expressed a desire that the major parties should “put politics out the door” and work together on some issues.

The Coalition won comfortably, even though their majority was reduced from 69 seats to around 53 in a 93-seat parliament. Labor should hold at least 32 seats, after winnning back 10–14 seats on a swing of nearly 9 per cent.

It was also a strong showing from the Greens, who won the new electorate of Newtown, beat out Labor for the seat of Balmain and took control of Lismore and Ballina – both traditional National Party seats.

How the rest of the upper house will be shaped won’t be known until next week. According to the latest figures, the Coalition suffered a swing against it of 4.5 per cent. Once the final votes are tallied, and given the National party’s poor performance, Mike Baird may still need to navigate carefully in order to push his party’s policies through the upper house, particularly that of the proposed privatisation of energy supply.

And while the results of the NSW election may be reassuring for Mr Abbott and the Federal Government, a correction to the one-sided result of the last election was expected. Labor gaining a 9 per cent swing means that it would then only need to win 14 seats to put them back in a position to win government at the next election.

According to federal party members, Mike Baird won this election not only because he was popular, but because his campaign was transparent, and he sold the benefits of change, not just change itself. The Abbott government may do well to take note of such an example.

Opinion: Time for answers, not blame

While many Australians may have been focused on the Aussie’s World Cup Cricket win yesterday, the big ‘game-changer’ for the country may end up being the results of the NSW State Election. Mike Baird – the ‘popular’ politician, if indeed there is such a thing – won the NSW Election by a clear margin. But what does this mean for all Australians?

Tony Abbott must be swelling in his shoes at his party’s victory in the NSW Election – one of so few its enjoyed in recent times. Baird’s win gives Abbott a bit of breathing room and some time to recoup from the losses suffered from his failed first budget. And while Abbott may be marinating in self-satisfaction for a day or two, it’s Opposition Leader Bill Shorten who may now be in the hot seat.

Labor’s campaign in NSW relied heavily on anti-Abbott sentiment, finger pointing and name-calling, much the same as the federal Labor Party’s political tactics. What Shorten needs now is to show that he actually has some answers to our country’s most pressing needs. No longer can he sit in the corner, relying on the upopularity of the PM. Say what you will about Abbott, but he has weathered some pretty serious storms over the past six months. And yet he, and his party, are slowly climbing out of the hole created by the mismanagement of its first budget.

In fact, ever since the threat of a leadership spill, which Abbott barely survived – it’s almost fair to say that he has thrived. And the success he has been enjoying can be put down to the fact that his party is, at the very least, proposing policies that aim to correct Australia’s economic woes. His success could also be attributed to the lack of what may be deemed as a viable alternative in Shorten.

Be it Labor’s legacy, or the failed first budget, either way, Australia finds itself in a slump – and the only way out seems to be through economic reform, via means that may include a reduction in government spending and/or an increase in taxes. What we really need is an end to the blame game. What we need now are answers.

But before the answers come more questions. Will Abbott’s second budget actually be fairer for Australians? Does the Labor Party have any effective policy suggestions at all? What needs to be done in order to get Australia out of its funk?

Mike Baird has stated that he hopes that the major parties can “put politics out the door on some issues” – which would be a refreshing change to the current national political climate. Maybe the federal party leaders could learn a few things from this type of approach. Maybe then, we’ll get the answers we so sorely need.

What do you think? Do you think Tony Abbott is a strong, albeit unpopular leader? Do you have an opinion on Bill Shorten’s lack of policy direction? Would you like to see a more bi-partisan approach to government?





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    pate
    30th Mar 2015
    10:24am
    if Abbott thinks he had nuch tomdo with the win by Lieberal party in NSW he has another think coming. It is more a atter of electoral boundaries, Plenty of people voted for the Greens simpky because they are agIainst col seam gas & have had to put up with dIrty water etc.,from the fracking!
    Sceptic
    30th Mar 2015
    10:38am
    What, dirty water in Newtown from fracking? I think that your extreme bias is showing
    Pate. Perhaps you should look at where the Greens votes actually were, and they certainly were not where CSG work is being carried out. In the actual locations of CSG work the greens vote was low. Please deal in facts not fiction.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    11:40am
    Both Ballina and Lismore had strong campaigns by the Greens based on anti CSG. Are you saying Sceptic that there was no CSG planned for those electorates???
    If you are that would be a totally different view to any of the political commentators I have heard. You only have to look at Green polling in those electorates to see it affected the outcomes. Perhaps you should Google Bentley CSG and Ballina CSG if you don't believe CSG was a factor in those electorates. The Northern Rivers want their aquifers left alone.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    12:22pm
    The Greens can now rest easy. There will be no fracking in Balmain or Newtown. Labor campaigned heavily for the Greens so they should be now joined at the hip. Again, scaremongering can only get you so far until people wake up and use independent thought. FEAR = False Examples Appearing Real.
    KSS
    30th Mar 2015
    1:41pm
    Agree Sceptic. But since when has this site dealt in facts when they favour anyone other than Labor?
    Sceptic
    30th Mar 2015
    2:54pm
    Where the Greens were returned there is no active CSG. Where there is active CSG the Greens vote was low.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    3:42pm
    The Greens campaigned heavily against the WestConnex Motorway as well. Not needed when you can get a ferry from the East End of Balmain into the City.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    7:05pm
    I think what the Greens were saying is that the money planned to be spent on the westconnex would be better spent on better public transport infrastructure. Freeways don't reduce congestion. Removing vehicles from the roads by having a modern public transport system improves the livability of cities ,the air quality ,noise pollution and residents quality of life. is that argument so bad???
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    9:29pm
    mango you need to do both. Industry is more efficient with better roads.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    10:11pm
    I would have thought the roads were already there Frank. All they have to do is get a lot of the private vehicles off them, and that means better more reliable public transport system and bikeways. Heading down that way next week. Is Parramatta Road still the varicose vein of Sydney?
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    10:32am
    yes I think Abbott is very unpopular but arrogance doesn't equal strength. You only have to look at many of his Ministers to see both he and Joe Hockey are regarded as dead man walking. Yes sure Mike Baird won in NSW but he can thank his lucky stars that Abbott was nowhere to be seen during his campaign and that wasn't just through coincidence either.
    Shorten isn't cutting the Mustard as a Leader. He needs to get up and start putting forward policies and fresh ideas not just seen to be whining every time he is in front of the camera. Must say that Julie Bishop is stating to get a lot of peoples admiration and is looking to have her nose in front as a Liberal replacement for Abbott. Still like to see a Turnbull/Bishop move for the top spot. I think Malcolm Turnbull was giving a hidden message when he said something along the lines of Abbott having Liberal Party protection.
    Kactus
    30th Mar 2015
    10:46am
    Retirement policy is a huge problem for any government.
    As every successive government has introduced changes to superannuation & the pension, the rules have become more and more complex and we are now at a stage where, it is so complex, hardly anyone fully understands it.
    Consequentially, it is impossible, for the government, to sell any changes because so many people are confused by all the tampering.
    After recent changes we now have a situation where some grandfathers can be "grandfathered" & some grandfathers can't be "grandfathered".
    It would be funny, if only it wasn't causing so much concern.
    Jen
    30th Mar 2015
    11:14am
    I think it was as good a result as we could have hoped for, especially the emergence of the Greens, who I believe, are our only hope of breaking the hold on the dreaded two party system. Let's hope they continue to make their mark. Although they have a long way to go, I believe they are the only party for the future.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    11:57am
    It's unfortunate to see that the Greens may not get their third upper house candidate over the line. . Although the greens may end up with 4 lower house seats their overall support remained virtually unchanged. They probably need to get more vocal and diverse with their policies. Some of their policies particularly in regard to maintaining strategic reserves of resources have merit . Not that much different to Twiggy Forrests plan on having a cartel to control a fair price for Iron .
    tj
    30th Mar 2015
    12:51pm
    Jen heaven help us if that prophecy comes to fruition
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    6:14pm
    Jen
    Well said…. I have recently started looking at the Greens and their policies and IF they got ANY positive media coverage about their policies, most thinking people would be rather impressed with them…. I was.

    The only media coverage they get from corporate (foreign) owned lamestream media is derogatory and as it is difficult to deride the Greens these days, they simply do not get any coverage. If they got the continual positive coverage, that the Libs get (Libs = MegaCorps party), their votes would have risen dramatically.

    The concept that the Libs are being strong and presenting policies that are for the people of Australia, is a TOTAL JOKE. The Libs ARE the MegaCorps Party and their (so called) policies are merely 'wish lists' of those MegaCorps. They have not been examined for their effect on our economy or especially our future economy.. that is why these so called policies are changing daily…as they get shot down by the Senate…. thank goodness for the Senate…. they simply pull more of the 'wish list' items from the bag and see what they can get away with.

    This disgusting ad hoc mish mash of ridiculous policies would be funny EXCEPT that they will destroy Australia.

    You only have to look at the absolute RUBBISH NBN that the Liberals are laying - destroying Australia's technological future so that a billionaire megacorp leashholder (Murdoch) can put even more money in his pockets:

    - out of date before it is laid and canNOT be upgraded, just ripped out so that we can start again [total waste of money] (Labor NBN - state of the art and could be upgraded, handle huge volumes of higher speed when technology advanced to be able to provide it and would last at least 60 years)

    - unreliable due to 100 year old copper wire as well as being affected by the weather (Labor NBN - NO copper - Fibre to the premises - no need to pay TELSTRA BILLIONS for their copper EVERY YEAR)

    - commercial use, even IF they pay for fibre from the node to the premises, is STILL too slow for high end business usage (Labor NBN - could handle anything businesses wanted to upload and download, with overseas internet being the problem of slowness and not Australia)

    - not even considered as Broadband in the USA because it is so slow (Labor NBN - fastest in the world and able to provide mechanisms for increasing speed 1000 fold as technology advanced)

    - due to the slowness Australian will NEVER earn money to pay back the cost of it (Labor NBN would have been completely paid back by 2036 and then would earn money for the govt)

    - nodes on every block which needs to be provided with POWER to keep them cool - the equivalent of two power stations worth of power will be needed (Labor NBN - no need for these nodes as the fibre went straight from source to premises)

    - last but not least…… Liberals NBN will cost Australia $160 BILLION (includes 5yrs of Telstra copper costs but does NOT include the equivalent of the extra two power stations) whilst Labor's NBN was costed AND AUDITED as $37 BILLION


    The next thing they will bring in is a HIKE in GST % PLUS include FOOD in the package….. this means that the average Australian will be footing the bill for the Libs total mismanagement of Australia and its economy. Especially if they reduce the Coy tax. The wealthy, yet again receiving all the benefits Australia has to offer with the ORDINARY PEOPLE paying for their pleasure whilst striving to put food on the table.

    The ONLY policy that is good is one that Labor was thinking of introducing and that was taxing the BANKS for every deposit. The bank posturing on passing on some of those costs, doesn't matter because it will give the govt a big influx with the average ORDINARY AUSTRALIAN paying very little of it. The only good policy and Hockey STOLE it from Labor. IF and only IF, the policy is not altered or changed from what was originally proposed.

    So SOMEONE please tell me of ANY POLICY which is innovative, positive for Australia now or in the future, spreads the wealth out (egalitarian), protects our environment, improves the education levels and hence intellectual property of Australia and future capacity to provide for Australia's economy, technological advances to keep up with the rest of the world (their NBN as effectively killed Labor's NBN plans to actually LEAD the REST of the WORLD, provide adequately for our disadvantaged, improve infrastructure…. etc.

    PLEASE…… can someone tell me ONE Liberal policy that does any of the above….. ANYONE!!???!!!
    Jen
    30th Mar 2015
    7:06pm
    Couldn't agree more Mussitate. I can't tell you one good thing this government has done for this country or will do, in future, because there isn't one. The disasters being visited upon this country will be felt for a long time to come. We desperately need a decent, truthful, investigative media to get the truth out there, but in the meantime so many are sucked into the propagada, the lies, the half truths and the hidden truths that are a feature of this miserable, dim-witted mob.
    pate
    30th Mar 2015
    11:39am
    To SCEPTIC the Greens may have got in in Newtown I missed the voe there but it most certainly did go to places like Lismore & Gloucester where fracking diid occur.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    12:25pm
    And I wonder who signed off on those fracking agreements pate? It would be interesting to know.
    particolor
    30th Mar 2015
    12:44pm
    There's a Fraction too much Fracking ! C:-)
    KSS
    30th Mar 2015
    2:02pm
    Pate there has been no fracking in the Lismore area yet. The previous Labor government signed over 7 licenses (which incidentally had no protections for water, land or environment). The people of the area have been fighting to prevent the execution of those licenses ever since. The Baird Government has already begun a buy back program of such fracking licenses and it still remains to be seen what happens in the Northern Rivers areas.

    So no Pate, fracking has not yet occurred in any of the areas that the Greens won on the grounds of opposing fracking. In Newtown and Balmain there was no such license.
    Ny19
    2nd Apr 2015
    3:28am
    KSS it's not true that the Baird government has begun a buy back program of CSG licences in the Northern Rivers. They in fact RENEWED licenses last December.
    Abby
    5th Apr 2015
    1:12pm
    More of Greens propaganda and LIES

    According to ABC news

    "The New South Wales Government has begun cancelling and buying back coal seam gas licences, known as PELs.

    It says it is fixing up Labor's legacy which saw around half the state open for CSG exploration. "
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    12:36pm
    Tony Abbott is a strong leader and has shown his flexibility when needed. On the other hand, Bill Shorten is beholding to Unions and Greens which makes him a policy wimp. Welcome to the new ALP, the GULP.
    Meanwhile in QLD Billy Gordon is doing a Craig Thompson. Craig has announced that he has not had full control of his faculties (mentally unstable). I'm not sure Billy will go that far? The Soap Opera continues.
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    12:44pm
    Frank,
    Don't blame Billy Gordon for this problem, the blame for that lies with the preselection committee and their lack of due diligence in their selection process. The Queensland Government can not now accept his vote in parliament and nor should the LNP. That being the case I feel that their is a real need to go back to the people for further decisions. Mr Gordon cannot be forced to resign or offered an inducement to do so as it is illegal, so Mr Gordon can sit in parliament for the period and receive his payments and benefits and do nothing. Sounds like a good deal to me.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    2:16pm
    I'm not blaming Billy. He only went off the boil with Labor when journos exposed the hidden truth. It has taken 11 days of angst and hand wringing from Labor to see if it couldn't be swept under the carpet before finally making a stand in an effort to make themselves look good. QLD is a disaster.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    3:11pm
    Frank
    You say don't blame Billy Gordon, but somewhere along the line there must have been a AEC form 60 signed stating that he had no previous convictions.
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    3:24pm
    Mangomick,
    The onus still remains on the selection committee to fully investigate. One would say that in an electorate like Cook someone would have been aware of the background of the nominee.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    4:00pm
    mango, he obviously didn't lie on that form, otherwise a charge of fraud would have been added to his growing list of convictions. Either way Labor is in a no win situation on this one. They have jumped off Billy into the fire!
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    4:24pm
    Well Frank think about it for a minute. If he put on AEC form 60 that he had a previous conviction wouldn't it be up to the Australian Electoral Commission to pick it up. They are the ones after all who process the applications just as they process your application for a postal vote.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    4:42pm
    Who can nominate as a candidate?
    The Act, s.163 and s.164, the Constitution s.43
    The qualifications for nominating as a candidate for the House of Representatives or the Senate are the same. To nominate for election to either the House of Representatives or the Senate, you must be:
    • at least 18 years old,
    • an Australian citizen, and
    • either enrolled or eligible to be enrolled on the Commonwealth electoral roll.
    A member of the House of Representatives or Senate cannot be chosen or sit as a member of the other House of Parliament.
    You cannot nominate for the House of Representatives or Senate if you:
    • are currently a member of a state parliament or a territory legislative assembly and have not resigned before the hour of nomination (i.e. 12 noon on the day nominations close). As state and territory laws govern the manner of resignation, intending candidates should make sure their resignations are effective before the hour of nomination.
    • are disqualified by section 44 of the Constitution.

    Disqualification under the Constitution
    Section 44 of the Constitution disqualifies certain people from being elected to the Commonwealth Parliament. Section 44 of the Constitution is reproduced below.
    44. Any person who –
    i. is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power; or
    ii. is attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer; or
    iii. is an undischarged bankrupt or insolvent; or
    iv. holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth; or
    v. has any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any agreement with the Public Service of the Commonwealth otherwise than as a member and in common with the other members of an incorporated company consisting of more than twenty-five persons;
    shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.
    But subsection (iv) does not apply to the office of any of the Queen's Ministers of State for the Commonwealth, or of any of the Queen's Ministers for a State, or to the receipt of pay, half-pay, or a pension, by any person as an officer or member of the Queen's navy or army, or to the receipt of pay as an officer or member of the naval or military forces of the Commonwealth by any person whose services are not wholly employed by the Commonwealth.

    mango, where does it state above that Billy Gordon cannot be an elected member. Sure he has some convictions, but has he been gaoled for more than 12 months?
    Let's not forget the reason Annastacia Palaszczuk asked him to resign from the Labor Party was because he was the subject of allegations of domestic violence, not for any other reason.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    10:24pm
    Well Frank
    I can't see anywhere where he actually did time so I guess that means that he didn't have to declare anything. Now does that mean because he served whatever sentence that was handed to him ,that (1) Labor shouldn't have sacked him and (2) the LNP have no cause to try and make a big deal of it ?
    Anonymous
    31st Mar 2015
    1:00am
    Abbott is a strong leader? He does nothing but lie, put his foot in his mouth, abuse the system for personal gain, and attack the less advantaged. He's the Sheriff of Nottingham reincarnated! Nothing he does is in the interests of the nation. It's all driven by self-interest, but sure, he's strong in his protests that he should be allowed absolute power to do as he pleases and in his boring blaming of Labor for everything that's wrong in the nation.

    I despise Shorten and I'm disappointed in his performance as Labor leader. I actually think it's time the whole filthy system was overhauled and politician's retirement benefits abolished, so that people don't go into it to guarantee themselves a lifetime of comfort, but to actually SERVE THE NATION. We need stronger penalties for dishonesty. And we need more effective methods of cleaning out the corruption and criminality that infects BOTH parties equally. But we'll never get anywhere while people blindly follow one party or the other and make every argument a two-party preferred contest.
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    3:50pm
    mango, the Clerk of Parliament reckons Billy Gordon could continue on as an MP.
    The clerk advised the failure to lodge tax returns or pay child support in a timely manner did not disqualify him from being an MP.
    His previous convictions also did not disqualify him as they did not occur within two years of his candidacy and also require a prison sentence of more than one year.
    Apparently there was no lawful obligation for Billy Gordon to disclose matters relating to his criminal history.
    There will be many with criminal records finding it difficult to get a job who may be buoyed by this news. Now they know they can get a well paying job with Labor.

    Gordon's problem is that there are 2 cases of domestic violence pending which would fall within the 2 year time frame. Its possible he did not serve any time at all for those convictions. I wonder why?
    Either way it is a poor reflection on Labor because they have left questions unanswered.
    Who knew about Gordon's history of convictions and domestic violence allegations?
    When did they know?
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    4:11pm
    I guess we should just throw Labor and the LNP into a room with the $3000 bottle of Grange, The kids scholarship to design school, the AVO,the colour TV ,the paddington bear, the $1195 Montblanc pen and Australian Water Holdings etc,etc and see who comes out smelling of roses.
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    4:28pm
    Are you saying Annastasia Palaschuk should resign??
    Receiving a gift is often innocent but the inclination to reciprocate with an expression of gratitude is not. Lesson, 'do not show gratitude.'
    One does not necessarily mean the other. I have been in positions where I could tell the difference. Oddly the value is of no consequence. I have refused a $80 bottle of wine but accepted a $1,000 gift. Who would know what thought was in the mind of a recipient but we should hang him just the same?
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    6:04pm
    Guess what I'm saying is "Let who is without sin cast the first stone" And that's not bad for an atheist.
    Jackie
    30th Mar 2015
    12:38pm
    Abbotts survival after recent spill is incomprehensible to me - but they seem to have had a Stylist and Spin Doctor in attendance because they are now appearing in blue check open necked shirts, appearing at child care centres doing rabbit dances, and aspiring to look "like the people. Baird may look like a choir boy, but he is against STEM CELL RESEARCH for goodness sake! Plus same sex marriage, abortion, euthanasia, all issues that research shows a resounding majority of Australians are in favour of. Bottom line is that in spite of his being "popular" the swing against his government was still significant.
    Jen
    30th Mar 2015
    2:33pm
    It's beyond me how someone like this can be as popular as he is in 2015! But glad to see at least some saw the light. Makes me wonder though.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    5:42pm
    Abbott actually had a bigger majority than Shorten did against Albonese. And nobody was actually opposing Abbott. In fact I think most voters wanted Anthony Albonese. The democratisation of Labor is going to take a while if that little stunt is an example.
    Oldie87
    30th Mar 2015
    12:55pm
    The usual comments are starting to come in. I wonder what the answer is, America has reduced its emissions by a lot and turned itself from an importer of fossil fuel to self sufficient and may even export, thanks to gas. That was done by extricating supplies previously unavailable. People here fight against it. Even in the desert regions. Go figure.
    On Tony Abbott and his Government just remember the bottom line is this: we don’t have a debt crisis, but we do have a structural deficit problem. Government spending is growing much faster than government revenues. And this isn’t a blip, it’s the product of an ageing population, technological change and old-style taxation arrangements that put too much emphasis on personal and business income taxes that are inefficient and under threat. The problem has not been solved; it has barely been touched. So do you really believe that Labor and the Greens are able to solve that problem. And pigs fly and the cow jumps over the moon.
    It amused me to read in the paper this morning that the Ass. of Social Services said that keeping us in a way we are accustomed to is more important than the deficit. Well sure, they will all be dead before the whole thing blows up.
    particolor
    30th Mar 2015
    1:15pm
    Gas Discovered at Balmain !! The Fracking team Drilled into the Sewer Main !! :-)
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    4:19pm
    Oldie, as Joe Hockey recently explained. 86% of government spending is locked in by legislation by a reckless labor government hell bent on playing politics.
    Judy in the hills
    30th Mar 2015
    1:22pm
    Gee Tony Abbott has so much power - according to the lefties - he is to blame (they say) for everything under the sun. BUT New South Wales has seen through the Labor Party and voted accordingly and properly. Good luck to them - lets hope more of the other States can see more clearly the next time around - just look at what has turned up in Queensland now. And South Australia most definitely needs a change of "leadership" if that's what you can call what Jay Weatherill thinks he does! Pity help Victoria with its latest result!
    Paulodapotter
    30th Mar 2015
    1:25pm
    One-eyed Judy walking around in circles once more.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    2:18pm
    Judy well said - soon we will see QLD implode and the Vics will see in fighting between Andrews CFMEU and his antoagonists the MUA - meanwhile with Kroger back in charge of Libs in Vic things will improve and of course Baird will keep NSW number one economically - so when we get to 2016 election whether Abbottt is still there or not coaltion will win - go Abbott go coalition
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    2:30pm
    Well said Judy in the Hills, Mr Baird has and will do a good job, he is busy trying to repair 16 years of Labor rorting and ination. The CSG licences were issued by Labor as were the coal mine licences that have caused the downfall of some in Labor. I now wonder should there be deeper investigation into the issue of the CSG licences?
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    4:10pm
    dougie, your dreaming mate?????? only in time Mr Baird will show his true colours.........so be very weary he will sell off Electricity.......... and his next on his a gender will be our Public Hospitals (this is why our Liberal politicians) had so much to money to spend just by selling off Australian Icon and wont be too long now before we have nothing left to sell.........our country belong to overseas buyers.......my grandparents be turning over in their graves.......they fought to give us a better life and a rich country .....to be sold mostly by Liberals.........So stop thinking your beloved Liberals are such goodie goodies.....their under handed in more ways than one.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    4:10pm
    Nicely put Judy!!
    In Victoria Andrews is prepared to pay $700m to stop a road from getting built which would have created 7,000 new jobs.
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    4:34pm
    Tia Maria,
    Absolute garbage. Wake up and get a life.
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    4:57pm
    OH Dougie boy did I hit a raw nerve ??????????..............
    Oldie87
    30th Mar 2015
    5:23pm
    No tia-maria, Dougie only feels pity for. That you must lead miserable life. He only wants to help.
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    5:37pm
    Oldie81 gee another miserable Liberal.........personally I don't lead a miserable life.......BUT at in a few years time you want a shoulder to cry on ???? ask Dougie.
    Oldie87
    30th Mar 2015
    5:45pm
    Hey, I am not miserable, as I said here before, I love walking down to my papers in the morning with my little dog, look at the trees, listen to the birds in Park opposite, take in the sun and smell the flowers in my wife's garden. Life is great. And I am a Liberal. Always thought being a Socialist at teenty because you have a heart and Liberal by forty because you have a brain. An old one but so true. And don't get me started on the Greens. :-)
    Oldie87
    30th Mar 2015
    5:46pm
    Sorry, meant twenty....
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    6:35pm
    Oldie81 - your line is one attributed to Churchill - a comment he apparently made in 1920s - one of the truly great statesmen of 20th century. I also Thatcher's line its a pity that the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money. Finally something labor should remember from JFK - ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    6:35pm
    Oldie81 - your line is one attributed to Churchill - a comment he apparently made in 1920s - one of the truly great statesmen of 20th century. I also Thatcher's line its a pity that the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money. Finally something labor should remember from JFK - ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    6:43pm
    Oldie81 lighten up mate.....I will also say again I don't live a miserable life.......cheers
    KSS
    30th Mar 2015
    8:55pm
    tia-maria, I trust that if you are in NSW you will give back all the concessions Mr Baird has maintained for pensioners and you will of course refuse to accept the gas subsidy he has promised to add to the list.
    tia-maria
    31st Mar 2015
    5:02am
    KSS. OMG your back??? first have you given back your entitlements before attacking mine????????? NO I don't have gas????? But very concern for all Australian voters and especially the ones who voted in Baird,....... as god will only know what its going to cost us all in the long run.........And the entitlement us retired pensioners worked hard for well mate well deserved.........after we are the were hard workers and battlers of yesterday.......cheers
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    8:55am
    tia-maria, give it up. It's just not true to say that privatising poles and wires will make power cost more. In fact it may be the opposite is true? When did you last check in with your information head office the ABC? The fact checker has realised the lie is worn out and finally milked it for all it's worth and told the truth. Problem is we have 2 states which are mostly privatised and we can track their power costs. So it's time you and mick get up to date with the latest political BS.
    tia-maria
    31st Mar 2015
    12:56pm
    Frank, you need to also show more manners towards others comments and their opinions.........this site is just not for U and KSS with your Liberal way of thinking all the time...........
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    1:03pm
    Is that because it doesn't agree with yours or YLC's view? OK, I have been pulled into line. I will apologise if you point out where I have been ill-mannered?
    Paulodapotter
    30th Mar 2015
    1:23pm
    NSW state election shows the value of hiding Mr Rabbit. I doubt we will see much of Mr Rabbit freelancing comment in the future.
    particolor
    30th Mar 2015
    1:37pm
    He will Pop out of a hat somewhere near You soon !! :-)
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    2:24pm
    Paulodapotter,
    Yes Mr. Abbott was not seen too often in the NSW election, he was busy running the country. Where was Mr Shorten, I did not see too much of him in the election run up. Well he really had no policy or projects to put forward and he did not want to be associated with the second worst defeat for Labor in the NSW history. I really think that it is time we all sat down and let the Government run it's course. Time for the Opposition and those hacks in the no policy no activity section of the Upper house to pass the matters put forward by the legitimately elected government. The Upper House is a house of review not a house of No. Lets get the country back on the road to recovery not diverted to the back roads by illegitiate argument by mindless opposition.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    2:49pm
    I thought Peta Credlin was busy running the Country and Abbott was busy keeping her out of the way. Or was that Abbott was busy keeping Credlin out of the way while keeping busy keeping out of Mike Bairds way.
    Doesn't really matter. I thought Julie Bishop expressed exactly what the people of Australia were thinking and she didn't even have to move her lips. Her eye brow raise spoke a thousand words. Classic
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    2:55pm
    Again. Mick you have your thoughts I have mine both of which are legitimate but I will not sink to the point of denigrating your point of view. Please respect others right to have a view.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    3:16pm
    You must be very thin skinned dougie. Where in the statement above have I denigrated your view. Paulo made the initial statement and i am merely agreeing with him. Me being the agreeable kind hearted soul i am.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    3:37pm
    And dougie. The upper house is a house of review not Abbott's own personal rubber stamp. If he want's to get legislation through like he needs to negotiate with the minor parties and come to a compromise. Just like Gillard had to do and successfully did. That's why we have an Upper house to prevent unfair legislation from getting through without a review. Bully Boy tactics don't work in the Senate. unfortunately it has taken Abbott 18 months to learn that. He's obviously a slow learner.That's why Turnbull would have made a better Leader.
    Sceptic
    30th Mar 2015
    4:09pm
    Oh come on now. Julia Gillard's successful method of negotiation. "what do you want?" "Okay, you've got it."
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    4:17pm
    dougie your running off at the mouth again..........and you should also respect others opinions????????? Now for PM Abbott was in Melbourne and not running around running the country.......(personally he has no idea how to run our country) too much foot and mouth disease...........give it time and the Liberal will take a big fall.......and Labor will need to mend things again
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    4:23pm
    tia-maria, "labor will need to mend things again." ???? That's not the least bit funny. :)
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    4:41pm
    Tia Maria,
    Has Labor ever mended anything? Please remind me as my involvement with Labor as far up as the top says no.

    As I said last week I admire some of the things that Hawke did , and even some of what Keating did, nothing of what Rudd - Gillard - Rudd did and certainly not the wildfire expenditure they undertook and the time bombs they knowingly left at the last Federal election. They have a lot to men including the way many think of them.
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    5:02pm
    Frank and Dougie, gee boys you guys need to wake up....... as the both of you are cracking me to no end.............
    Oldie87
    30th Mar 2015
    5:26pm
    Oh tia-maria. Doesn't take much to amuse you. You actually have to laugh at the truth. :-(
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    5:40pm
    Oldie81............ NO it not take much to cracked me up especially when it coming the Liberal voters like yourselves. CHEERS
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    6:38pm
    Well i suppose you could say they fixed the Vietnam war mess that Liberals got us into, saving many young Australian lives. Many of the great social changes in the last 50 years have been Labor initiatives. Superannuation, Medicare, National Disability Scheme.Going back further equal pay for women ,40 hour week, pension scheme. I could go on but there are non so deaf as those who don't want to hear. if it hadn't been for Whitlam being the first PM to visit China you would still be under your bed hiding from the yellow peril.
    Couldabeen
    30th Mar 2015
    8:18pm
    Oh Mango, I'm so glad that you said "none so deaf". Whitlam and Labor did NOT withdraw Australian forces from Vietnam. This decision had been made years before by the Liberal Government. The timing of the return just happened whilst Labor was in power. Another myth that you appear to be hanging onto is the servicemen who died in service there. More of our soldiers were killed in non military accidents during training than in service. As is usual.
    Under Whitlam we had a drive for mediocrity in education as they decided that rewards and ranking for excellence in our schools were negative forces on the less able students. But as you say "none so deaf".
    wally
    30th Mar 2015
    9:30pm
    Mango, the reason Julia was such a successful "negotiator' in parliament was that she only did what she was told by bob Brown and the Labor Caucus. She gave plenty of lip service to the independent Andrew Wilkie's wishes for tighter poker machine regulation. then when Peter Slipper was liure away from the Liberals to be the new House Speaker (after Labor's Harry Jenkins was unceremoniously shoved aside from the Speaker's chair), she was no longer dependent on Wilkie's support any more and Wilkie's poker machine hopes were thrown on the scrap heap. To keep the NSW renegade ex Liberals (Windsor and Oakschott) sweet, she spent millions in their electorates.
    The trouble with Julia's negotiating style was it was done from a kneeling position.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    10:51pm
    Couldabeen, 521 died as a result of the war and over 3,000 were wounded. Given that friendly fire casualties account for anything from 2% to 20% friendly fire would account for maybe 50 of those 521 killed and maybe 300 of those 3000 Aussies who were wounded.While there was a slow withdrawal of troops prior to Whitlam gaining power it was Whitlam who finally abolished National Service and it was under his leadership that Australia signed off on the war. Education,There would be many thousands who would say that under Whitlam ,University education was opened up to non elitists who's parents couldn't have afforded to send their kids to Uni but who because of Labor had the chance to gain a university education and make something of themselves.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    10:58pm
    Well wally maybe Abbott needs to learn how to kneel if he wants to get any of his policies through.
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    9:52am
    mango, does Gough's legacy also include the substantial increase in the professional lefty academics who have moved on from basket weaving to latte sipping in Balmain and Newtown.
    I did notice a huge proportion of the Vietnamese community mourning the passing of Malcolm Fraser.
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    10:12am
    Why Frank did you miss out on a position???

    30th Mar 2015
    1:54pm
    I don't think the NSW election reflects well on the Federal LNP. I think it was a simple case of the people having no real choices. Labor put up an inexperienced candidate who unwisely and not very honestly hammered a single issue which, while highly sensitive, people understood was not being truthfully addressed by Foley. I think the swing to Labor and Greens indicates very clearly that the people are totally disillusioned with the LNP. Most, I think, are totally disillusioned with both major parties. The system is irreparably broken. Whoever we vote for, we get a politician - an arrogant, selfish, self-serving, corrupt, dishonest a/hole who is pursuing self-interests and has neither respect nor concern for the people he/she is SUPPOSED to represent.
    Hightower
    30th Mar 2015
    2:08pm
    The "swing" to Labor was simply political gravity reasserting itself. Unless Labor can get their primary vote closer to 40% rather than the 34+% they polled on Sat they will be forever on the outer. The Greens overall statewide vote was unchanged so struggling to see the disillusionment you speak of.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    2:23pm
    Rainey - your a bot harsh - if your talking about some sure but there are many who are there because they genuinely care and try - both labor and liberal - but I do not include those of extreme left in labor not do I include the greens who are economic vandals. I have some issues with Abbott who is not good on economics but there is no doubt he is genuine and cares.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    3:24pm
    Really Bob.....labeling all greens as economic vandals is akin to labeling all Lib/nationals as environmental vandals. There's plenty of Greens who are in politics or trying to get into politics who care and want to make a difference.Every Party has their lunatic fringe. It's just that the Libs head lunatic is running the Asylum.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    3:57pm
    sorry mangomick - I've not heard one green in federal parliament who has anything approaching what mainstream Australians think - that is why they barely get 10% of the vote. As for the asylum - yes I saw that - Whitlan, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd. Abbott is light years ahead of any of them. Finallt the greens have said for years that we libs/nats are environmental vandals - we don't care what they say - just like the DLP and Democrats the Greens will become very minor - might take another 15 years but they will go - my concern with greens is they are extreme unlike DLP and Democrats. Just look what the Greens did in Tassie and with Gillard - they are and all will be economic vandals
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    4:16pm
    it's unfortunate that the Tasmanian government don't appreciate what they have in their wilderness areas and take full advantage of it.Their politicians should take a look at how well organised the Kiwis are with their great walks like the Milford track,and see first hand what sort of an income that brings in for the country and try to replicate that in Tasmania. Instead an LNP Government wants to throw all that away and clearfell everything in sight and mine pristine areas. .You say only 10% support Green but how big of a percentage support only Nationals and how many support only Liberal.
    Jen
    30th Mar 2015
    5:23pm
    Bob menzies, it was Bob Brown who founded the Greens that SAVED Tassie's heritage. The major parties wouldn't have minded seeing Tassie a wasteland if it meant dollars in the bank. (Or anywhere else.) Thank God, the "Greens" won that vital round. The Libs/Nats are environmental prostitutes - they'll sell Australia's heritage to the highest bidder. Like your LNP/Nat pals, you can only see as far as the next budget, the next election. Too bad about Australia.
    Oldie87
    30th Mar 2015
    5:33pm
    Name me one, just one, Green with a common sense outlock. Sometimes I wish they got to run the country. That would teach a lesson never to be forgotten. Just amuses me that our Age group relying on the Tax payers to sustain us want to go Green. Where would the funds then come from? I guess we could all go and hug trees and feed of the acorns.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    6:27pm
    you bet Jen and federally since 1901 conservatives have governed 7 out of every 10 years - and half the time they spend fixing up the mess the other mob creates in te other 3 years. Fortunately the good people of Tassie overwhelmingly rejected Greens and the message they sent to mainland Australia was they are useless - don't give them any power. Yes your right we do see the next budget as we mange other peoples money wisely but as for the next election no that is a labor party act - power at any cost - I can somewhat understand it as thy don't get it that often - oh! for the glory of my formative years from 1950 to 1972 - with coalition govn year after year - then came the chaos of Whitlam - no doubt Hawke was very good but then came no policy Rudd and no idea Gillard. Abbott is at least trying to fix the mess. Australia is great because of the libs/nats not the SCUM ( socialists, communists, unionists, Marxists) who hold this great country back. To answer Mangomicks question historically the Nats get between 10 to 12% of the vote and the libs average 41% - labor has been around 34% and greens 10 to 11% ( for the life of me I can't understand why as they are bad - take Hanson Young - didn't know Sea Patrol was not real - Ludlam - rudeest politican - the one who represents health and is a GP - knows zip about the health portfolio - Milne - a shrill populous individual who stands for anything but development - I could go on. Oldie81 says it well
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    6:51pm
    Well Bob if you can't see Greens around in 10 years you must struggle to see Nats there as well. More young people are moving away from the two parties and are moving towards the Greens and many farmers are dissatisfied with the Nats performance and support and as older farmers get out of the industry many of the younger farmers are going to be looking for an alternative. Already some farmers have run on the greens ticket . The LNP in NSW is in a quandary now. Do they not spend money in those Green electorates and distance themselves from the people further or do they spend money to try to win the seat back next election and make the sitting Green member look good.
    Jen
    30th Mar 2015
    6:55pm
    I have been following the Greens' policies for several years now and I totally disagree with what you say. As for your ideology, it's wasted on me because I totally disagree with that as well. It's a waste of time putting facts in front of your nose when your eyes and ears are closed. But...as I said, the Greens saved Tasmania's wilderness, a place that brings in millions of dollars worth of tourism every year, yet remains pristine and is one of Australia's most beautiful assets. It wouldn't exist now but for the Greens and the hard work of the activists of the time, that you look down your nose at and sneer (but have no real argument against, because there is none.)
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    7:27pm
    well you are wrong on millions of dollars in tourism - that is what the greens said in late 90s would happen - well its not true - the tourism did not happen at any where near the levels expected - so greens protected all this wildnerness - no jobs and so Tassie bludged off the productive states - pathetic. I could not care less whether you agree with me or not and I could put any number of facts in front of you but your as equally closed minded- you can go and hug another try if that is what you want - and mangoick Nats will still be around long after the grub Greens are what is that line -oh! yes dead, buried and cremated. Greens are irrelevant in NSW - Baird has a majority in both houses and coalition will win next election
    Jen
    30th Mar 2015
    8:45pm
    Bob, I don't know how old you are but it's about time you learned that it ISN'T all about money. The future generations will appreciate that people battled to save that beautiful area and is the major drawcard for tourists to Tasmania. Which I would expect would easily equate to millions. But it doesn't matter. A very special piece of the world was kept out of the short-term greedy, destructive hands of a government that ONLY sees dollars. And I feel sorry for the lot of them (and you) because they're not really living. And guess what? The sky didn't fall because we saved the Franklin! So when you talk about vandals, let's talk about the LNP/Nationals, not the Greens (or those who became the Greens.)
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    9:33pm
    Bob..Figures from the Tasmanian Parliament. For the year ending September 2010 visitor expenditure in Tasmania amounted to $1.53 billion with the average spend per visitor amounting to $1,676.Revenue from processed metals was about $1.3 billion.
    if Tasmanian politicians took a page out of the Kiwis book on how to promote tourism in their wilderness areas Tasmania's tourism potential would be boundless. Just on the Milford track alone in NZ, 40 independant hikers leave everday during the hiking season. . All usually stay at a motel at least 2 days in the small town nearby . All have to use bus transport and boat transport twice to get to the start of the walk, pay a not so insignificant fee to the Government to do the walk and buy supplies from local shops. People from around the world go there just to do the walks.And that doesn't include guided walkers Just the employment that could be generated in Tasmania, building the tracks and infrastructure would create hundreds of jobs for those with low skills as well as jobs for coach drivers,guides,park rangers and boat operators.
    Anonymous
    31st Mar 2015
    10:40am
    Jen I am 66 - I equally for sorry for you and i'm living just fine (self funded retiree no handouts from govn - enjoy overseas travel regularly enjoy my grandkids and love having lots of money to be able to give my kids something if they need it in fact gave number 2 daughter $30k end of last year to help her out - never will I accept anything other than the greens are off with the fairies and if we could find a island to put them all on - so much the better for Australia - bunch of loonies and so the majority of Australians. I hate communism, extreme unionists eg CFMEU and MUA, Marxism, socialism and Greens idealogy (mostly off with the pixies and not idea of real world).
    Mango - I was aware of the figures you quote but they were still Billions less than Brown spruiked would happen. I do not disagree with you on some aspects of NZ and I wish we could get rid of the Senate like NZ - what did Paul Keating call them unrepresentative swill - sure applies to all the Greens in senate
    Jen
    31st Mar 2015
    11:13am
    Bob, you obviously don't see how money rules your life, which can only mean you're not truly living because there's SO much more to life than money. If we let you and your type rule the planet we'd cease to exist in a very short time because you'd ruin it for any form of life. Money will not buy pristine thousand year old rainforests, barrier reefs, etc. etc. etc. No matter what you think. These are gifts of gold to the next generations that we must not touch. You have an extremely outdated view of the Greens, as does Oldie and, no doubt others, because they are very progressive and don't come close to anything you and others have described. You're WRONG Bob, FULL STOP. If you care to find out, open your mind, turf out your outdated ideas and do some research. They care very much for the planet but also have ideas of creating an Australia that's beneficial for all, in ways that wouldn't even occur to tea-partyites in a million years.
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    11:40am
    Come on now Bob. I think history has shown that Bob Brown and his band did a good thing by preventing the damming of the Franklin. The problem is that the Tasmanian government never took full advantage of it's tourism potential.Tassie's tourism potential is relatively untapped and it already brings in more than processed metals does each year. Plus they would employ a great deal more workers.
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    11:47am
    Tasmania has never wanted too much tourism. They employ park rangers to make sure people pay to enter a national park and feel unwelcome. This keeps the numbers down and a smaller footprint.
    Anonymous
    31st Mar 2015
    4:45pm
    Jen - may I be so bold as to ask what level of education you have - me I have Masters level - and you guessed it my first degree was finance. I'm not wrong I just have a different view to you and your kind - we live in a democracy - your bile comments are so typical of the extreme left wing - either agree with out view or the world or we will revert to personal insults. So now our broad community of liberals/conservatives/nationals are teaparty types (sure we have some of those but they are not as extreme as the communists within the Greens (particularly NSW Greens).
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    7:49pm
    Yes Bob,There is a so called "water melon" element (green on the outside, red on the inside)in the NSW Greens but not all NSW Greens are crackpots. The young man who was running for the third spot on the Greens Upper House ticket is an ex Army Intelligence officer who has worked in many varied jobs both in corporate , small business and politics. They actually have a few good policies particularly in regards to the strategic reserves of our resources. As for CSG a few of them visited the states not that long back and saw and spoke first hand with many of the farmers who have been affected by fracking gone wrong . it was an eye opener for a few farmers who were also in the group.
    Paddles
    30th Mar 2015
    2:31pm
    In general, I am an Abbott supporter whilst still being critical of some of his moves, especially his apparent wish to please everyone and offend no one Can't be done of course, human nature being what it is.
    On the other hand, when I look at Shorten I cannot see Prime Ministerial material. I will tip that he will not lead Labor to the next election which, in any case, on the basis of a half cycle already completed, they could not win.
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    2:51pm
    Good on you Paddles. So much garbage has been spread by some union and other labor supposed supporters. It sure is good to see positive comment something I am sure we will much more of from thinking and thoughtful electors over the next 18 months.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    2:53pm
    wish to please everyone and offend no one ???? Is there another Tony Abbott we are not aware of. Think you are right about Shorten. A bit short on substance. Where are all the Nations Statesmen.
    No particolor I don't mean the statesmen parked down at the back of the GMH yard.
    bebby
    30th Mar 2015
    3:37pm
    Hey Dougie, don't you read the papers and I include Tony's American benefactor's or watch the TV if you honestly believe that all that is being said about your party is garbage. Still, it must be nice wearing rose coloured glasses. Maybe Frank and Judy in the Hills have some to spare.
    dougie
    30th Mar 2015
    4:46pm
    bebby,

    I lost my rose coloured glasses when I last voted for Labor and I was so incensed at the manner in which they governed. They really cracked the lenses beyond repair. I will sit the fence and vote for the party which I feel will best govern. Currently this is not Labor.
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    5:06pm
    dougie thank god its not Labor?????????.......you act more like a Liberal voted in more ways than one..........sitting on the fence is a typical Liberal way of thinking?
    downunder
    30th Mar 2015
    3:24pm
    What a load of BULL. The 'Village Idiot' has so far done nothing, absolutely nothing to support lower income and pensioners, the contrary is true. All went the other way to the top end of town and his cronies. He is a disgrace for Australia and that is the way other countries see him. The sooner Australia gets rid of him the better. Rest my case.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    3:49pm
    Why the hell should we support pensioners any more they get free money and plenty of benefits as it is and most of them are free loaders or bludgers.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    4:02pm
    Think you made a typo there ROBO. You put "pensioners" instead of politicians. Don't worry about it Mate. A primary school education will do that to you every time.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    4:03pm
    downunder - how much do you travel - I'm retired but travel a lot - Abbott is well respected in Canada, NZ and UK - he does not have a relationship with Obama but republicans think hghly of him and republicans have a majority in both houses. Understand many in UN don't like Abbott - but most of UN is staffed by left wingers. Abbott and the coalition have always cared about middle Australia - ever since Menzies set the party up in 49. If your a low income worker support labor but if our a pensioner support coaltion as you will always be better off.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    4:29pm
    Mangomick I thought most of the Labour voters only got as far as the Primary school and that's is why they are like they are.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    4:44pm
    Hey Bob You forgot to end with...This is a paid political announcement...
    Also you forgot to say he isn't respected much in Russia,Indonesia Queensland,South Australia and Victoria.In actual fact the Washington Post branded him the most disliked Prime Minister in the World. His stance over asylum seekers had him lambasted in papers all over the World. France Spain,Germany.
    Coalition have never really cared about middle Australia. Small businesses yes maybe but the ordinary middle class Australian working stiff has always been their milking cow for raising revenue rather than having to tax big business and miners.And as far as supporting pensioners goes ..is your memory that bad that you can't even remember back to his last budget.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    4:46pm
    No prizes for second ROBO............
    tia-maria
    30th Mar 2015
    5:12pm
    ROBO..........(your very insulting to say the least).......attacking the most genuine retired pensioners............. we are the ones.......... who worked bloody hard paid taxes all our lives......no hand outs back than for having kids no dole etc........you call us bludgers?????? BLOODY SHAME ON YOU, NO RESPECT FOR THE SENIORS OF AUSTRALIA.
    HOLA
    30th Mar 2015
    6:26pm
    ROBO - as the old saying goes, -- Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit.
    Adrianus
    30th Mar 2015
    6:47pm
    ROBO, it seems that way because the socialist left wrap themselves around the "vulnerable and uneducated' to take the moral high road. Hence the baggy suits and bad haircuts. The more elite left look like basket weavers. It's a con.
    Paddles
    30th Mar 2015
    7:32pm
    downunder

    "He is a disgrace for Australia and that is the way other countries see him. "

    I don't know what you are down under, the doonah perhaps? because you obviously don't spend any time checking the major foreign media where I have yet to see any at all critical of our Prime Minister.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    7:43pm
    seriously mangomick do you really care what Russia thinks or are a commie - abbott go on well with previous Indonesian President and average Indonesian don't care (I've been there too many times) - in SA -liberals lost yet got 53.2% of vote - QLD (OK) _ Vic (well my studies suggest it was more to do with an incompetent liberal govn with a hung parliament - yeah quote Washington post (lived there for a year) may as well quote Guardian or Fairfax -have no knowledge of France ot Spain views but was in Frankfurt last year and conservatives like Abbott (you do know Angela the Chancellor is conservative) - I know a great many ordinary middle class who vote libs/nats but I don't know one unionist, govn dependant individual who votes conservative and I've done a lot of door knocking over the years - but you are right to correct me on last years budget and I have been advocate saying indexing aged pensions to just CPI is wrong and I wrote and told the minister so - BUT something has to be done as so many aspects of the budget are unsustainable- aged pension and health and welfare are the big 3 - I don't have all the answers (does anyone)
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    9:56pm
    Well Bob I just mentioned Russia and Indonesia because you were starting to make it sound like the whole world was in love with Abbott.
    Social welfare spending is unsustainable at current rate but Instead of talking about needing to raise the GST they wouldn't have to if GST was paid by everyone. Take say a farmer for instance. I buy wire and pickets pay GST and claim my GST back but If I have a rental property and buy a new stove I can't claim GST back. Why should a farmer or business be able to claim back their GST. They already get to claim their expenses against income anyway so why shouldn't they be expected to pay an amount on items they buy.If everyone paid GST on everything food included then it would be possible that the Government could lower the rate to 5% on everything and still run with a surplus.Same with vehicles for tradies, farmers and businesses. They get to claim the cost as a depreciation expense so why should they be able to claim back their GST also? It seems as if the battler is doing all the heavy lifting
    Anonymous
    31st Mar 2015
    10:57am
    mangomick - very hard to fault the logic of your argument - well put - I have seen other statements elsewhere suggesting it isn't just the battler doing the heavy lifting - eg - apparently our top 30 companies are paying 90% of the corporate taxes - our top 20% tax earners are paying 60% of income taxes. Some suggestions - anyone who holds more than $4m in super is taxed on excess at say 20% - trusts be taxed at 30% - no negative gearing after 1st investment property - increase capital gains tax BUT because these are all TAX measures and as I am a liberal who believes in lower taxes and small govn then reduce income taxes for companies and people (which should stimulate the economy and create jobs). The elephant that no one wants to address is industrial affairs. For health at some time there must be some form of payment by all (except very ill) and education must be freed up. Oh! and stop the billions wasted by Clean Energy Fund - in fact shut it down
    Rosscoe
    30th Mar 2015
    4:34pm
    Leon, if we are thriving now, I hope I am not around when hard times arrive!
    Good times are here when:
    1. Everyone who needs a full-time job can get one.
    2. The Federal Govt lives up to their promises on Gonski and disability improvements
    3. The Federal Govt stops slugging the less well off in our society
    4. We have a decent media in Australia
    5. The CEOs of government departments and private organisations stop rorting other Australians
    Jen
    30th Mar 2015
    5:26pm
    Hear hear.
    Mak
    30th Mar 2015
    4:49pm
    All the complicated comments are waste of time and space. The LNP won in NSW because the voters saw the ongoing fiasco in Victoria and the messy, underhanded method that Labor used to gain a win,in Qld. and after all this time since the election that have been '''on holidays''' and today their pot of trouble is still bubbling with Independent B. Gordon.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    6:15pm
    You are obviously not a Queenslander otherwise you would know that the people of Queensland thought Campbell Newman and his Government were treating them with contempt and he paid the price for not listening to their concerns and for not being fully upfront . He believed that telling a few lies and giving false promises is o.k.
    Personally despite his faults I quite liked the bloke and thought he did a good job both as Lord mayor of Brisbane and as Premier.
    KSS
    30th Mar 2015
    9:11pm
    Mak the LNP won in NSW because people didn't buy the fear campaign run by the unions or the xenophobic utterances of Mr Foley in the last week of the campaign. And the fact that Labor had no plan for the future.
    sunny boy
    30th Mar 2015
    4:52pm
    ... like in the old classical " Western " story ... will the "Cavalry " ride to the rescue in the guise of the mooted new "Malcolm Frazer" (fair go for all) Political Party ... ?? ... :-) ...

    ... are they currently rounding up the horses (funds ) ... ?? ... :-) ... thoughts anyone ? ...
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    6:05pm
    Well that Party used to be called the Liberal party but somewhere along the trail they were ambushed by Ultra Conservatives who are only interested in power at any cost rather than enacting Liberal Policies designed to make the country a better place.

    30th Mar 2015
    6:21pm
    The concept that the Libs are being strong and presenting policies that are for the people of Australia, is a TOTAL JOKE. The Libs ARE the MegaCorps PARTY and their (so called) policies are merely 'wish lists' of those MegaCorps. They have not been examined for their effect on our economy (especially our future economy).. that is why these so called policies are changing daily…as they get shot down by the Senate…. thank goodness for the Senate…. they simply pull more of the 'wish list' items from the bag and see what they can get away with.

    This disgusting ad hoc mish mash of ridiculous policies would be funny EXCEPT that they will destroy Australia.

    You only have to look at the absolute RUBBISH NBN that the Liberals are laying - destroying Australia's technological future so that a billionaire megacorp leashholder (Murdoch) can put even more money in his pockets:

    - out of date before it is laid and canNOT be upgraded, just ripped out so that we can start again [total waste of money] (Labor NBN - state of the art and could be upgraded, handle huge volumes of higher speed when technology advanced to be able to provide it and would last at least 60 years)

    - unreliable due to 100 year old copper wire as well as being affected by the weather (Labor NBN - NO copper - Fibre to the premises - no need to pay TELSTRA BILLIONS for their copper EVERY YEAR)

    - commercial use, even IF they pay for fibre from the node to the premises, it is STILL too slow for high end business usage (Labor NBN - could handle anything businesses wanted to upload and download, with overseas internet being the problem of slowness and not Australia)

    - not even considered as Broadband in the USA because it is so slow (Labor NBN - fastest in the world and able to provide mechanisms for increasing speed 1000 fold as technology advanced)

    - due to the slowness Australian will NEVER earn money to pay back the cost of it (Labor NBN would have been completely paid back by 2036 and then would earn money for the govt)

    - nodes on every block which needs to be provided with POWER to keep them cool - the equivalent of two power stations worth of power will be needed (Labor NBN - no need for these nodes as the fibre went straight from source to premises)

    - last but not least…… Liberals NBN will cost Australia $160 BILLION (includes 5yrs of Telstra copper costs but does NOT include the equivalent of the extra two power stations) whilst Labor's NBN was costed AND AUDITED as $37 BILLION

    So, how is THAT good for Australia…… a throw away $160 BILLION internet system that the rest of the world is THROWING OUT RIGHT NOW because it is a JOKE! Good policy, is it!!!!


    The next policy they will bring in is a HIKE in GST % PLUS include FOOD in the package….. this means that the average Australian will be footing the bill for the Libs total mismanagement of Australia and its economy - easily an extra $2000 in tax. Especially if they reduce the Coy tax. The wealthy, yet again receiving all the benefits Australia has to offer with the ORDINARY PEOPLE paying for their pleasure whilst striving to put food on the table.

    The ONLY policy that is good is one that Labor was thinking of introducing and that was taxing the BANKS for every deposit. The bank posturing on passing on some of those costs, doesn't matter because it will give the govt a big influx with the average ORDINARY AUSTRALIAN paying very little of it. The only good policy and Hockey STOLE it from Labor. IF and only IF, the policy is not altered or changed from what was originally proposed.

    So SOMEONE please tell me of ANY POLICY which is innovative, positive for Australia now or in the future, spreads the wealth out (egalitarian), protects our environment, improves the education levels and hence intellectual property of Australia and future capacity to provide for Australia's economy, technological advances to keep up with the rest of the world (their NBN has effectively killed Labor's NBN plans to actually LEAD the REST of the WORLD), provide adequately for our disadvantaged, improve infrastructure…. etc.

    PLEASE…… can someone tell me ONE Liberal policy that does any of the above….. ANYONE!!???!!!
    Couldabeen
    30th Mar 2015
    8:45pm
    How do you know about this HIKE in GST? Nothing has been decided yet and any changes will need the approval of the States. Generally the introduction of the GST brought the cost of consumer goods down and included the removal of many state taxes. It also shifted the tax evasion from the "top end of town" to the tradies.
    Your banging the drum on the NBN being essential to the future of Australia doesn't withstand examination. In real terms very few suburban and urban areas of Queensland need the claimed high speeds that the NBN may deliver. Existing technologies and infrastructure can provide speeds suitable for their needs.
    Remember that when the NBN with fibre to the home, you lose your home phone in the case of power failure. Ask how several thousand residents in the Rockhampton area felt about being isolated without telephones for several days after cyclone Marcia.
    As I understand it, the concept of a tax on bank deposits has been raised within the past week. Whether this would achieve the desired returns to Treasury without hidden costs remain to be seen.
    KSS
    30th Mar 2015
    9:16pm
    Raising GST is a recommendation from Treasury NOT Mr Hockey who has today ruled out changing GST. He couldn't change it anyway without the agreement of all States and Territories. Not very likely in the current climate is it?

    Mr Hockey is talking about looking at superannuation which must warm the hearts of those who have been whinging about it on this site.
    wally
    30th Mar 2015
    9:36pm
    Hi Musso. Ask not what good deeds for Australia the Liberals will perform! Instead, it would be more enlightening for us all the bill Shorten come out of the shadows and tell us all what his plans for the betterment of Australia are.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    10:02pm
    KSS pretty sure Hockey said everything is on the table including GST. That's their easy option,why wouldn't it be. I think he also said any changes to superannuation would be taken to the next election.
    MITZY
    31st Mar 2015
    12:23pm
    wally: Did Abbott come out of the shadows and put forward policy whilst in Opposition? If we look at his flourishing of his Action Plan booklet and recall everyone asking what was in it and if it had blank pages, there's not much difference between either party's rhetoric. No politician from either side is going to let the cat out of the bag too far ahead of the next election, they wouldn't give their Oppositions a leg up to implement their ideas.
    And in hindsight we got a government with a not many bright ideas - top the boats, (good) scrap the carbon tax and put $500 extra in our pockets (where is it) - (bad) scrap the mining tax (bad), and we got a whole lot of nasties in their first budget many of which were repeated over and over in their election build-up indicating "no changes to this and no changes to that".
    It doesn't matter what they say, their skins are so thick, they can handle whatever cyclone pops up in front of them. A pox on the lot of them !
    sunny boy
    30th Mar 2015
    6:23pm
    ... indeed .... the major parties deserve an sound kick ... politics in this country has fallen into a shambles ... power at any price is a money driven dictum ...(does that sound "corporate")... "money" at any price does nothing for the populace! ... "fair go" brings a distant ring to my ears ... :-) ...
    wally
    30th Mar 2015
    9:48pm
    Hi Sunny. Who did you vote for in the last Federal election? Was it a minor party like Clive's PUP? Was it the Labor's "axis partner" the Greens?
    Separating money from politicians is like trying to persuade termites to stop eating your house! If you can figure out how to do either, I will send you one of my custom made "Genius" badges!
    After all, you don't find many people like Mother Theresa in any parliament.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    11:00pm
    Haven't you heard of cypress pine or steel frame houses wally
    wally
    31st Mar 2015
    9:36am
    Hi mango. Yep. I have. I hope you haven't got termites where you live. Unfortunately, Australia has a termite infestation in Canberra where Labor and their allies the Greens and various independents, along with their sycophantic journalist supporters in the Canberra Press Gallery and the ABC are doing their best to white ant Abbott's efforts to undo the damage the six years of Labor misrule did to the Australian economy.
    MITZY
    31st Mar 2015
    12:39pm
    wally: And I am now envisaging Hockey, Abbott, Morrison, Turnbull, Korman etc. with their holier than thou attitudes with delicate angel wings attached, fluttering around with cans of Mortein/Arsenic in each hand spraying those termites! Oh, but the Mortein isn't working because the hands on the cans are trembling and missing most of their targets because as we now know, the damage was over-exaggerated and although we have much more deficit now somehow we still have a Triple A credit rating!?
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    3:42pm
    Well Wally , you know you don't use radiatta pine to build a house, you need to use sterner stuff like cypress or steel which is impervious to white ants and so if the LNP don't like being white anted maybe the voters need to look at voting in candidates made of sterner/better stuff.
    By the way,other than the subterranean termite,that does the damage to houses, all other white ants are known as the farmers friend for the good work they do. So I guess in reality you are actually paying the Greens and Labor a compliment.
    Deenick
    30th Mar 2015
    7:01pm
    What do I think.? I think this joirnalist can't provide a balance article positives comments for Liberals and negatives for Labor. A 9 % swing in the lower house and 4.5% in the upper, which Baird had not controlled in the last parliament anyhow. Baird ran a good campaigne, clear and is a popular Premier, it was these that gave him the day. Helped a bit by new boundaries. If your life choice is not young to provide unbiased articles please cancel my subscription. I get enough of that form of reporting in the family rags.
    Anonymous
    30th Mar 2015
    7:50pm
    did you check out his surname - Della Bosca - now where have I heard that name
    Deenick
    30th Mar 2015
    8:49pm
    LOL
    wally
    30th Mar 2015
    10:00pm
    The election results in the 3 recent state elections should provide Tony Abbott and his advisors with a good idea of what resonates with the voters and what does not. Why did Baird succeed in winning the NSW election when the Liberal governments in Queensland and Victoria lost? That will be their "homework in progress" to occupy their minds between now and the 2016 election. The question is whether they can develop strategies to turn thing around in time.
    mangomick
    30th Mar 2015
    10:06pm
    Yeah wally if they can get Mike Baird to run as the LNP Federal Leader, the LNP might be in with a chance in 2016.
    wally
    31st Mar 2015
    9:27am
    Mango, it would appear that you are using the well worn Labor Party policy of attacking the man and not the ball, considering the fact that you are suggesting that the Libs need to replace Abbott with Baird. Playing "Musical Chairs" with the Labor Party leadership the way Shorten and his Labor Caucus Union cronies did in 2010 may have worked when they gave Rudd the shove before the 2010 election. Putting Gillard in for that election just got Labor over the line then. With what would prove an ultimately toxic deal (for Labor) with the Greens (and the need to curry favour with the independents) would see Labor's "Red Queen" Julia being replaced by her predecessor, "Leaking Kevin" Rudd in time for their 2013 electoral calamity.
    So why did the Labor Caucus choose Rudd as leader? The answer is that Labor had no other credible candidate. So much for the "Personality Cult" style of politics favoured by Labor. After Rudd lost, who arose from the wreckage to lead Labor? None other than the union heavyweight "Bill the Boner" Shorten, who the Labour Caucus foisted on the true believers when they rejected Anthony "Albo" Albanese who appears to have been the "people's choice" of the rank and file. . So in all their collective wisdom, has the Labor Caucus anointment of "Bill the Boner" as Labor leader, been what Australia needs? Or is it evidence of a collection of union hacks putting one of their own in the leadership role?
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    10:09am
    "Attacking the man and not the ball". Your starting to sound like the parrot in the cage at LNP headquarters. And the very thing you are accusing me of doing you yourself are doing in spades. You were the one who was looking for ideas on how to turn the Federal LNPs fortunes around and as usual I was just trying to be helpful. LNP had the chance to turn LNPs fortunes around but someone in their wisdom decided not to give malcolm Turnbull a go at the helm. Silly move.
    I take it you were talking about how the LNP can develop a strategy to turnaround the public's perception of them as true Liberal thinkers and not the ultra conservatives that they are. If they don't want to vanish back into obscurity get rid of Abbott. Hey ,I'm not saying Labor don't have a leadership problem. Shorten is proving ineffective. We the people really should be asking," is this the best we have". Where are all the intelligent people with vision,business acumen and have an environmental and social conscience. And please don't say Tony Abbott.
    Oldie87
    31st Mar 2015
    10:19am
    I love it, isn't life great.... :-)
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    10:49am
    mango your problem is bigger than you think. If you recall how Shorten got the leadership job in the first place then you will realise that he could become the most unpopular labor leader in history and there is nothing you can do about it. Albo got 18,000 votes and Shorten 12,000. Unless you know of another ex union boss?
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    11:27am
    Hardly call it my problem Frank. I'm a self confessed swing voter.I vote for who the best local candidate is, looking at what he has done for the community already and who his leader is likely to be.I'll be the first to admit I'm not an Abbott fan but the LNP does have some good people. As far as Shorten is concerned I have had the jury out for some time on his potential and i can't say I'm impressed. Labor can do good things when they put their minds to it but they need to get their internal structure right. Maybe an eventual amalgamation of the best of Labor ,Best of Greens (not the watermelons amongst them) coupled with the true Liberal thinkers that are still around in the Liberal party. ......I know, but I can still dream..........
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    11:43am
    It will never happen mango. As the Union hold on Labor tightens their popularity will weaken exponentially. The best move Labor can make is a move away from the Greens and Unions. This may put them on the outer for a couple of terms but it will make them a viable alternative in the long term. Abbott would have already been gone if the ALP had a decent party and leader. There is not one section of the community he has not asked to contribute to the heavy lifting.
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    12:05pm
    Never say never Frank. They said Greens would never take more than one seat in the NSW lower house and soon there may be four Green lower house seats.
    The Greens out-polled Labor, not only in isolated booths, but across the key safe Liberal seats of Manly, Davidson, Willoughby, Pittwater, North Shore and Vaucluse. Sure their overall vote didn't change that much but we could be looking at the thin edge of the wedge in the communities dissent on 2 party politics.
    In Manly after preferences 1 in 4 votes were directed to the Green candidate.
    MITZY
    31st Mar 2015
    1:33pm
    wally: name calling instead of proper name naming is what turns this forum into rabble. Your one-sidedness of name calling is becoming monotonous. We could all do name-calling there is a list unparalleled for your leader.
    It looks as if the recent upheaval in your favoured Party's leadership didn't happen? Or is forgotten?
    I like Mike Baird and he and his predecessor O'Farrell have done well for NSW and Baird deserved his win outright. I also think Luke Foley did an excellent job for only 12 weeks in a job that was seen as "unforeseeable to win". He is known among both sides of NSW politics as a decent caring man and it was nice to see both Baird and Foley debate with respect for each other. The NSW election was a refreshing change and the federal government and federal opposition can learn a lot from it.
    I agree with so many here who are of the opinion that Bill Shorten is not PM material and Anthony Albanese would have deservedly been a better proposition for the future. When you get beaten by such a large margin as Rudd did in the last election, it takes more than one three-year period to re-build.
    However, Abbott should and hopefully will be replaced soon, as I hate the thought of going to the next election not wanting to vote for either of them. Regardless of the fact that you vote for your local candidate each election, there's only one electorate who gets to vote for the eventual nominated PM.
    Adrianus
    31st Mar 2015
    4:06pm
    MITZY, so you are saying that you vote for a PM in reality. But you want a sitting PM sacked by his party? You don't think there may be others like you who vote for a PM rather than their local guy?
    There appears to be more and more people dissatisfied with Labor and Shorten.
    wally
    31st Mar 2015
    8:28pm
    Hi Mango. the problem with the Labor Party is how Union Bosses and their flunkies and yes men are elevated to be in the Labor Caucus. The situation is that you have clones promoting clones to the seats of power. The Caucus / Union faction bosses didn't like Kevin Rudd much in the run up to the 2007 election. As a new face, Kevin Rudd wad their best bet to topple John Howard. The result was the Ruddslide. But Rudd had no factional support within the Labor Caucus or Party. He only had the top job for as long as he could keep the Australian voters on side in large enough numbers to secure a Labor electoral victory in 2010.
    With Abbott leading the opposition after replacing the nice but ineffectual Brendan Nelson and the the lefties' hero, Malcolm Turnbull (who, like Rudd, was/is an "outsider" to the Liberal's hierarchy of string pullers and fixers). But I digress.
    As long as the poll results looked good for Labor and Kevin Rudd, all was well. But as the 2010 election neared, Rudd and Labor's standing in the polls began to decline. Without factional allies to go to bat for him in Caucus, a scheme was hatched there to replace Rudd with his deputy, Julia Gillard. So Rudd was out and Gillard was installed as PM. Gillard went on to be figure head of a minority government with a toxic alliance with the Greens and the support of three independents. Labor's programs were directed more and more by the Greens. (Witness the half hearted and ineffectual efforts that Labor made in stemming the flow of the 50,000 illegal immigrants that arrived by boat claiming to be seeking asylum, for example.) Compare with post 3013 boat arrivals.
    So after a promising start, as the 2013 election drew closer, the polls turned against Labor and Gillard. What to do? Reinstate Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister in the hope that he would be able to pull Labor's chestnuts out of the fire. We all know the result of the 2013 election.
    The behaviour of the Labor Caucus when things were going against them as it did in 2010 and again in 2013 shows their lack of commitment to anything other than keeping their snouts in the government trough. When Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard appeared to be riding high in the polls, all was well and they were allowed a free hand in governing the country. But when things began to sour, the Caucus chose to dump their Prime Minister(s) and thus reveal themselves as political opportunists of the worst sort. As more voters wake up to this inconvenient truth, more and more one time Labor voters (as shown in the NSW state election results of kast Saturday) will desert Labor infavor of the Greens.
    Will the "Old Dogs" of the Labor Party wake up, adapt and learn new tricks? Or will they stick to their old ways as the mood of their traditional supporters changes? It will be interesting to watch.
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    8:39pm
    No wally, can't see Labor ever being able to break their ties with the Union movement ,that after all is their foundation. Maybe an Alliance with a break away far Left faction of the Greens. They too are having a few structural problems particularly in NSW.
    wally
    31st Mar 2015
    8:43pm
    Hi MITZY, Sorry that the fact that when I refer to Mr Shorten as "Bill the Boner", it offends you. Unfortunately for two sitting Labor Prime Ministers, that is exactly what he did to them. So are you offended by what Mr Shorten did (in a treacherous, opportunistic, disloyal and dishonourable manner) or are you offended by my description of Mr Shorten's despicable behaviour.

    I wish that you would avoid falling into the "Personality Cult" trap that Labor has constructed as an electoral tactic. By concentrating on the person of their opponents rather than concentrating on the comparative policies of the political parties. they distract the public form what differences exist between the party policies. I gather that if Martians were to kidnap Tony Abbott tomorrow and whisk him off to the Moon, You would cheer and support who ever the Liberals chose to replace him with? Which of the Liberal leaders in Parliament would gain you vote if they replaced/boned Tony Abbott the was Labor did to their two most recent Prime Ministers?
    Denzel
    31st Mar 2015
    6:28pm
    Wow
    This poster called Mussitate
    What planet is he from?
    Abby
    5th Apr 2015
    1:37pm
    From Greypath of course same as you :)

    31st Mar 2015
    7:59pm
    I wish Mangomick's brain was as big as his mouth, may be than some reasonable talk would come from him, if that was possible, which I doubt to be possible from him/her, it would result in a worthwhile contribution to the question posted in this survey
    mangomick
    31st Mar 2015
    8:28pm
    Well done heemskerk. Your kindy teacher would be very proud of you. But with your contribution one would really have to doubt if you are actually legally old enough to drink in this country or any country. Although maybe that's the problem, with all that dribble coming out of you maybe you have one or three too many.

    1st Apr 2015
    6:44pm
    Mangomick, come out of your green mango tree. Swinging voter does not mean You can swing like an ape, eating mangoes, to calling yourself intelligent, specially after promoting Turnbull, a reject labor candidate, to be superior to the Prime Minister, Tony Abbott. As I said before, contribute to the question asked or shut up if You cannot contribute any decent input to the difficulties Australia is facing.
    Adrianus
    1st Apr 2015
    7:07pm
    Yes mango, you cannot continue to defend labor and look intelligent at the same time! :)
    Adrianus
    2nd Apr 2015
    8:24am
    Oh dear, QLD Labor is not having a good run.
    PREMIER Annastacia Palaszczuk is facing a new political crisis this morning, with the Labor Party revealing it has sought legal advice over the behavior of one of its MPs.
    Labor Party state boss Evan Moorhead last night admitted Pumicestone’s rookie MP Rick Williams acted “inappropriately” during a financial dispute in 2009 but had done nothing “illegal”.
    The defence came as Labor also was forced to douse allegations swirling around Mr Williams, including a series of claims linked to a messy family dispute.
    The political time bomb could not come at a worse time for the minority Palaszczuk government which is already reeling over domestic abuse allegations against Cook MP Billy Gordon, who has now quit the party.
    The Courier-Mail can reveal Mr Williams was once committed to stand trial for a serious criminal charge in 2002. The case was later dropped and Mr Williams was not convicted. Ms Palaszczuk last night referred questions to Mr Moorhead, Labor’s state secretary, who said Mr Williams disclosed the charge during party vetting. Prosecutors found there was no basis to the charge and did not proceed, he said. However, the MP’s stepdaughter Jasmine Manaley also has detailed wide-ranging allegations against the MP after a bitter falling out. “I have serious concerns about Rick’s fitness to serve as an MP,” she said. It comes as a tape has emerged of Mr Williams threatening to bring a law firm “undone” following a dispute about an unpaid real estate commission. Mr Moorhead last night said the party had a transcript of the recording and had sought legal advice. “Rick’s behaviour in that meeting was entirely inappropriate but nothing illegal. He went too far. He said a lot of things that were uncalled for, but it’s not extortion,” Mr Moorhead said. The 2009 tape records Mr Williams allegedly threatening staff at the Cairns firm, adding that his brother — a convicted killer and standover man — was “Mr Fix-it in NSW”. The conversation was recorded by a firm, William Graham Carman, with the consent of Mr Williams and has been obtained by The Courier-Mail. Mr Fix-it was a nickname for Robin Johann “Mad Dog” Williams, who was convicted of killing Mackay cattle farmer David Parkinson in the 1980s and was sentenced to nine-years’ jail. He later changed his name to Jack Cooper and was hired in Sydney as a standover man in the building industry before being murdered in his van and dumped at an airport in 1991. Mr Williams is heard speculating in the recording that his brother could still be alive. “He’s allegedly dead now. We don’t think he is,” Mr Williams said. “He’s got a new identity but you know,” he added. The dispute with the law firm which was first reported by The Courier-Mail last month, started after Mr Williams was taken to court because he was refusing to pay a commission to a real estate agent who sold his home. Mr Williams declined to comment last night. In his maiden speech last week Mr Williams asked the media and public to give him a chance. “In my life I have some regrets but I am wiser for them,” he said at the time.
    particolor
    2nd Apr 2015
    8:35am
    Bugger !! Why not Empty the Wardrobe right out ?? I Hate Half a Story !! :-(


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