Trans-Pacific Partnership reached

Twelve Pacific-rim nations have agreed upon the largest free-trade agreement in history.

Trans-Pacific Partnership reached

After eight years of negotiations, 12 Pacific-rim nations have agreed upon the largest free-trade agreement in history. The agreement, known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), will set common labour, environmental and legal standards among all signatories, as well as remove significant trade tariffs in the region.

The final document will take a number of months to create, and will be followed by a three-month period for the 12 countries to read through and agree upon the final document. US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has vowed to defeat the agreement in the Senate when given the opportunity.

Minister for Trade and Investment Andrew Robb is excited about the prospect of the TPP, and said that he believes it will deliver "unprecedented new opportunities in the rapidly growing Asia-Pacific region, with its rising middle class, for our businesses, farmers, manufacturers and service providers."

Covering 40 per cent of the global economy, the 12 countries that will become signatories to the TPP are Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the US and Vietnam.

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    PlanB
    6th Oct 2015
    10:14am
    Makes you wonder why it was so secret, also why just 2 days ago they were hanging off to make sure they got the right thing for our Medications, then all of a sudden its signed!

    Also there is a question if the TPP will allow proper labeling of out food as was promised
    FrankC
    6th Oct 2015
    12:23pm
    Did you know, it is illegal in the Ukraine to label a food item with all its ingredients and measurements as we do. !!
    Tezza
    6th Oct 2015
    2:15pm
    Plan B, a good point re proper labelling. This is why Hillary Clinton is anti the TPP.
    The US has massive issues with GM (genetically modified) crops and processed foods. At present, NZ can import food products from the US, repackage them and export them to Aust. as a Product of NZ.
    PlanB
    6th Oct 2015
    2:54pm
    Yes Tezza NZ AND Canada has been allowed to relabel for many years -- I no longer buy anything from there at all.

    We have to demand easy to understand labeling and also it has to be clear and true as to where is is grown / Made / and owned
    Jen
    6th Oct 2015
    10:25am
    If it's so good for us, why is it secret? How can we judge? Nobody believes anything the politicians tell us, for good reason. Excerpts by Wikileaks has shown that many basic commodities may be far, far, more expensive, which won't concern our pollies of course. Our fate lies in the hands of unscrupulous politicians who've already proven themselves unconcerned about the vulnerable, our workers, our environment etc. In other words, anti-Australian. I shudder to think what they've got us into.
    sidney70
    6th Oct 2015
    1:09pm
    i Agree Jen but it is not about us it is about the money . Everything is about money.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:28pm
    Agree.
    Jen
    8th Oct 2015
    7:47am
    How did we get in this mess where politicians can sign agreements on behalf of citizens who have no rights to know what's in them? In the words of Julian Burnside:

    "We have a corrupt, hard right-wing Liberal government, led by self-seeking hypocrites. We have a weakened, right-wing Labor opposition. And we have a country, once great, now seen as selfish, greedy and cruel and we have no political leadership at all."
    PlanB
    8th Oct 2015
    9:23am
    Dead right Jen
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2015
    9:43am
    Jen, perhaps an answer to your question can be found in your statement.
    "We have a weakened, right-wing Labor opposition."
    The investigation into union corruption should be a godsend for labor, and a reason to stop being the mouthpiece of the union movement. But instead, they defend the corruption. If you think the LNP is corrupt then I don't want to be around when you eventually see the underbelly of your beloved labor.
    marls
    8th Oct 2015
    5:31pm
    agree
    gilstamp
    6th Oct 2015
    10:50am
    We are now seriously in a race to find the lowest common denominator. You can see what the approach is and who the beneficiaries are to be, those in business, with reliance on the discredited "trickle down effect" while we share "common labour standards" with the third world countries and legislation to protect local standards is disallowed. The traditional conservative stance to achieve these aims has taken on the stature of a worldwide conspiracy.
    Sundays
    6th Oct 2015
    11:41am
    Yes, it is very scary
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:29pm
    I think you are on the money and I suspect that this may be a Work Choices by a different name. Lets hope that if founded then the next government tears it up.
    BrianP
    6th Oct 2015
    11:04am
    Where are China, India, Indonesia?
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    11:31am
    Good question.
    Wstaton
    6th Oct 2015
    11:36am
    Yes and how is the trade deal with China affected by this.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    1:24pm
    Simple: we have not been told if China can bring in its own workforce. It appears that it can.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    11:30am
    I do not trust ANYTHING which comes from Andrew Robb. He deceived the nation on climate change. He pushed the China agreement without releasing anything and without addressing the key problems in that agreement: that China can bring in its own workforce and the long patent period for American companies selling us over priced drugs.
    Now we have the pacific deal in front of us. TELL US THE DETAILS ANDREW!!!
    Wstaton
    6th Oct 2015
    11:39am
    Well we will soon know won't we. Just like the China deal we won't find out the negatives until it is signed then it's to late. Is their a getout clause.

    Isn,t this like buying a car and the seller not allowing you to read the guarantee?
    Jen
    6th Oct 2015
    2:01pm
    I've read that the contents of the agreement will be kept secret for four years. Obviously, they have plenty to hide.
    PlanB
    6th Oct 2015
    2:35pm
    No there is NO get out clause
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:30pm
    But we CAN tear it up.
    Gee Whiz
    6th Oct 2015
    11:41am
    As I recall it was Andrew Peacock who signed Australia off on similar agreements to the TPP back in the 1980s.

    It opened the flood gates to cheap imports and was the start of Australia's manufacturing decline.

    Over the next few years most of Australia's best small manufacturing businesses closed their doors.

    Then followed the take overs of the iconic brands, Cadburys, Arnotts, etc, etc.

    Next to close down was the big manufacturers,; ship building, smelters. Newcastle became a ghost town. And now all of our car manufactures are closing up shop and moving overseas.

    The TPP will also see a flood of foreign workers from China and other Asian countries pouring into the country to work on foreign owned mines. If you think we have high unemployment now you haven't seen anything yet.

    The TPP is all about one world government. And the movers behind this are the multi billionaires of the world and their banks.

    The next generation of Australians will be flat out finding a good job. They will end up slinging hamburgers, and waiting tables to earn some money.

    And its started already. The current unemployment rate is proof of that.
    Anonymous
    6th Oct 2015
    6:07pm
    Gee Whiz

    As you inferred ....this TPP will be even worse, unfortunately.

    Australia will end up a shell country with poverty, slums, no services or benefits, no infrastructure, no public health or education worth having and our wealth will be in the hands of a select few and Foreign (mostly USA & Japanese) MegaCorps.

    Wages will go down to the same level as the US average employee which is in the vicinity of $7.50p/hr with no safety nets and you will have to work TWO jobs to get one decent pay with your partner doing the same, so that NORMAL living expenses can be met! These same people are called bludgers if they can't handle the pace and collapse into poverty!!
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:33pm
    The US minimum wage is now around US$10 an hour.
    This is not a living wage and all Australians will rue the day they voted this bunch of dishonest cretins into power to do the bidding of big business and the rich.
    If detrimental I hope that the next government tears it up.
    Anonymous
    7th Oct 2015
    2:19am
    That's the problem mick.... once signed and laws passed, it is effectively irreversible.... per my very limited understanding of International Law.
    THE FORGOTTEN
    6th Oct 2015
    11:42am
    WHY HAS EVERY REQUEST FOR AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON TPP BEEN REJECTED.????

    Maybe it's because the real purpose is to assist the very GREEDY IRRESPONSIBLE LARGE CORPORATIONS, MAINLY FROM USA, WHO SPONSOR AND CORRUPT THE POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON, TO RUN THE WORLD ECONOMY WITHOUT HINDRANCE FROM PESTY CONSUMERS AND GOVERNMENTS. BIG PHARMA AND OIL COMPANIES ARE RUBBING THEIR HANDS TOGETHER WITH THIS DRASTIC NEWS. IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE AUSTRALIA'S PBS IS A SHAMBLES,AND MEDICINE COSTS SKYROCKET, TO THE AMERICAN STANDARD,WHICH IS THE WORST IN THE WORLD.

    Consumers worlwide shall suffer the consequences when they have to pay the costs, after governments are SUED by these LARGE CORPORATES.
    AFTER THE GFC AND SO MANY CORPORATE RIPOFFS AND BANKRUPTCIES, CAN WE TRUST THEM TO ACT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF CONSUMERS.????? NOT LIKELY AS THEY ARE ALL GREEDY LEECHES, WHO EXPECT THE ORDINARY CITIZEN TO COVER THEIR LOSSES,AS WE DID AFTER THE GFC BANKING SCANDAL.TOO BIG TO LET LET GO BROKE. .. WE HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE AND THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST IN WORLD HISTORY.

    PROTEST TO YOUR LOCAL AND POLITICIAN,THE PM,AND ANYONE ELSE YOU BELIEVE WILL STOP THIS TRAGEDY, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE..
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    1:27pm
    If they refuse to tell us the details then it is TOXIC to Australians.
    Anonymous
    6th Oct 2015
    6:00pm
    THE FORGOTTEN

    Bloody BRILLIANT!

    6th Oct 2015
    11:46am
    It may be a good start, as long as the government "agrees" to pass on any import savings to its residents. That WOULD BE a very welcome change.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    4:49pm
    The worry is what they are not telling us which will end up as a fait accomplis.
    Hunter
    6th Oct 2015
    12:01pm
    Remember how good the "lima agreement" worked out for us . Decimated our manufacturing and farming industries - "level playing field" was the catch phrase in use . Now we have a new agreement ( taken eight years to developed in complete secrecy ) that is to be SO good for us that we were never consulted or allowed any input - negotiated on our behalf for the good of all .The "devil" is always in the detail ..
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    4:50pm
    And now we have almost NO jobs for average Australians. I suspect that this so called 'deal' is all about destroying wages in this country.
    mangomick
    6th Oct 2015
    12:06pm
    What did Robb say? It's great for our agricultural industry. It's fantastic for our farmers. Hang on a minute Andrew, doesn't sugar come under the heading of Agriculture and isn't it grown by farmers. Haven't heard any of our sugar growers whooping it up in the streets. They have been dudded again and left out. Apparently it's protein and fibre the other signatories are short of and want,not competition from our sugar growers.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    1:26pm
    Having sold the farms to the Chinese government all Australians should be concerned that China will show up with its own labour. No Australians needed. That may be the perfect opportunity for local business to get what it wants, a slave labour country where Australians will have to work for nix. "Work Choice" by any other name. Howard could not get this one way so maybe this is the game plan. Where is the media?????
    Sceptic
    6th Oct 2015
    1:51pm
    Perhaps in this case mick, the media is not as gullible as you appear to be - subservient to the CMFEU.
    buby
    6th Oct 2015
    1:59pm
    Wow that certainly sounds like a plan, and its opening up many eyes i'm sure.
    Who was it that sold UP to the Chinese, can we now Tar and Feather him, or her???
    mangomick
    6th Oct 2015
    4:11pm
    It would be the very powerful USA sugar lobby who put pressure on the U.S Government to leave sugar off the table. Very large tracts of sugar cane farm land in the States is owned by very wealthy people who assert a lot of political pressure.The large U.S Sugar Corporation is privately owned.
    Once again Australia is played for fools. Free trade for the U.S only means free trade for things that are in their interest and no one elses.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    4:48pm
    mango be serious. Why would you import mangoes when you can grow them cheaper on your doorstep?
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    4:53pm
    The thing Australians should be very worried about is if THIS GOVERNMENT intends destroying wage rates in this country so that business here, which has cried and cried for Work Choices, can pay workers nothing. When we see the details of the agreement we will know. I suspect that will be too late and this government will be rubbing its grubby hands together for having done what Howard could not achieve.
    mangomick
    6th Oct 2015
    7:08pm
    If that was the case Frank why the big objection against having sugar included???
    They can raise cattle there just as cheap as well and raise sheep and produce cotton and wool but they weren't left out. So by your argument we don't really have any agriculture to trade with the USA because they can grow it all more cheaper over there than we can produce it??? So just explain to me again ,based on you last statement,how our agriculture is going to benefit ???
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    7:16pm
    I like to eat my navel oranges all year round. Chew on it overnight mango!
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    7:32pm
    mango: Kerry Packer once said "I seldom suffer fools". Better to avoid Frank who posts government propaganda and is off the planet the rest of the time. Don't expect intelligent debate. Not going to happen.
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2015
    3:06pm
    And I thought you had no rich friends :)
    Culgoa
    6th Oct 2015
    1:57pm
    Sadly we will be screwed by the US -as usual. It has been openly stated by some people in high places in the US that "Australia is a pushover".
    PlanB
    6th Oct 2015
    2:41pm
    I do not trust this TPP OR those that are telling us how "Good it is"

    To many secrets for my liking
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    4:40pm
    Yes Culgoa, I am still miffed because us taxpayers paid so much money to the Clinton's slush fund.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    4:54pm
    You must be a half wit Frank.
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2015
    3:02pm
    Andrew Robb is the most successful Australian trade negotiator in agriculture since the war
    Andrew Meares


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    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    2:40pm
    I have just read the responses to Drew's article and as expected so much negativity. Why? Because the unions don't want free trade? What is it about prosperity that you find undesirable?
    The globe is getting smaller. Get used to it.
    Kaz
    6th Oct 2015
    2:56pm
    Really Frank?
    We would be happy like Frank if we all buried our heads in the sand too...
    PlanB
    6th Oct 2015
    3:10pm
    We are not as prosperous as we used to be and everything has or is going off shore --at one time we made everything here and everyone had jobs, now we have to take so much longer to shop because we have to read the very small print as to where the hell food comes from and even then it mostly says from --IMPORTED & LOCAL -- not good enough
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    3:38pm
    Kaz, I'm not sure what you mean by burying your heads in the sand? These trade deals were started 8 years ago. If we had a well organised government during that 8 years these deals would have been fully matured by now and our economy would be booming. Our relationship with these countries would be vastly improved, fostering numerous cross selling opportunities. Many more people would have jobs. Many more small supportive enterprises would have blossomed. Consumers would have access to lower priced imports.
    We wasted 6 years fighting with ourselves, mismanaging our economy, losing control of our borders, talking about same sex marriage etc etc etc, taking our eyes off the big picture! Meanwhile across the Tasman the Kiwis just got on with it and embarrassed us.
    Rejoice people, we have found a way to have a real and lasting positive trade balance. We will have the increased productivity through increased demand.
    A prosperous Australia means we can afford to spend more on Education, Health, Welfare and Infrastructure (less reliant on foreign capital), which is a reason to be positive about a less restrictive trade relationship with these countries.
    gilstamp
    6th Oct 2015
    4:03pm
    Frank, it is not all about buying and onselling nor about the lowest price. If you are buying another countries cheap goods, you are not producing and not employing. The mass of the people require employment because if they do not have money to spend in a mass market, there is very little market to produce your booming economy.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    4:34pm
    Are you saying we should only do these deals with the likes of Chile? So we import more than we export? I would have thought it better to go after bigger markets to increase our exports. You can see it as a full container arriving and half a container leaving if you like?
    Anonymous
    6th Oct 2015
    6:24pm
    Frank

    The leaks on the TPP are recent and they are devastating for Australia and if ONLY the pharmaceuticals was the issue then this TPP is very UNWELCOME. This TPP will OVERRIDE Australia's SOVEREIGNTY, to the likes of Foreign Megacorps who have NO morality and are required by corporations law to adhere to their owner/controllers/shareholders PROFIT motive ONLY.

    I will repeat what I wrote below:

    "...the USA has for decades dumped its manufacturing and moved to financing & controlling the worlds financial houses... i.e., its financial megacorps sit back and rake in the money without doing anything. Because the USA has the world currency, it merely exports its BAD MANAGEMENT to the rest of the world (i.e. GFC).

    However, the USA is losing its World Currency STATUS and as it has no manufacturing to rely upon, is currently setting up these TPP type agreements all around the world and putting undue pressure on idiots such as Andrew Robb to sign away their country's sovereignty. This will ensure that USA megacorps will be able to do whatever they like in OTHER countries and TAKE the profits they want OR sit back and rake in the money from Countries that refuse to change their laws and have to pay SUPPLEMENTING PENALTIES into the USA megacorps who just sit back and rake in the money"

    The American people will NOT benefit either, they will have even more hardship put on their backs!

    When it comes to push and shove, I am sure that you too Frank will back both the American people and more importantly for us, Australia. So write and tell everyone in your party and your MPs..... NO, NO, NO to this TPP.

    REMEMBERING.... if it was aok, then why are the full contents of the TPP still secret and why hasn't the parliament and the people of Australia been allowed to discuss the FORs and AGAINSTs of such a big issue as Australia's SOVEREIGNTY.
    Adrianus
    7th Oct 2015
    9:06am
    Mussitate, your admiration for all things US is clouding your judgement. We are talking about Obama, the Obama administration which swapped one deserter for 5 high ranking Taliban??? Your praise for the Obama administration has a similarity to your put down of Australia. It is without evidence or merit. I would back Aussies any day. How about you show some patriotism??? Or are you a foreigner???
    Robin7
    6th Oct 2015
    2:48pm
    "common labour, environmental and legal standards among all signatories."
    So, the lowest common denominator will prevail - prepare yourselves for wage Cuts, bringing your hourly rate down to 3rd world levels. A Boon for Aussie Business!
    Common legal standards - oh boy, firing squads and hangings are back then? At the very least the right to a fair trial is a goner.
    Environmental laws - clear felling anything without needing permits or permissions, Lovely!
    Sundays
    6th Oct 2015
    3:30pm
    I wrote to my local member and received a standard reply ...the govt ' wants a balanced outcome that benefits Australia, is securing new opportunities for Australian businesses to compete or sell products. We will not accept any outcome that adversely affects the integrity of the PBS or the health system generally'. Do I believe this? Of course not!
    Jen
    6th Oct 2015
    4:21pm
    Exactly what I was thinking. Nice words but no detail. Just "Trust me, I'm a politican!"
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:23pm
    'Work Choices' by another name. Lets wait and see in all fairness.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    7:13pm
    Work Choices? common mick give it a break?
    Talking about Unions, will be interesting to hear what the witnesses have to say over the next couple of weeks. Bill Shorten and Paul Howes just to name a couple. We may even get an insight into why Howes didn't continue his run into politics?
    ph
    6th Oct 2015
    4:01pm
    I wonder how this will impact on our current standards, "will set common labour, environmental and legal standards", will it have a positive or negative affect?
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:24pm
    That is the problem. The deal is SECRET. Why....unless there is something to hide?
    Hunter
    6th Oct 2015
    4:06pm
    Trade agreements are “entangling alliances” that should be avoided. Australia should trade with all friendly nations but not enter into any regulated trade agreements — including “free trade” agreements. If trade is to be free, it doesn’t need to be regulated by thousands of pages of binding arbitration "overseen" by the U.N. Goes hand in hand with A21 which has morphed into A 2130 . What do both have in common ? U.N. DOMINANCE..
    PlanB
    6th Oct 2015
    5:24pm
    Dead right Hunter dead right
    Anonymous
    6th Oct 2015
    5:59pm
    Hunter

    Spot on.... hat doffed to you SIR HUNTER!
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:25pm
    Bet your bottom dollar that there are winners and losers. So why is China not in????
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    6:29pm
    mick I think the US didn't want them in. They have had a lefty government during this period.
    particolor
    6th Oct 2015
    4:24pm
    Don't Sign It !! :-(
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:26pm
    Why not release to all MPs for PUBLIC comment? Because there is something to hide? We'll see.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    6:32pm
    You don't know much about in depth, detailed, extensive high level agreements do you mick? I recall the megaphone negotiations your labor mates carried on with. Little wonder they weren't capable of pulling this off.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    8:38pm
    I need to take my own advice Frank ........... but how about shedding light on which big business leaders your government employer meets with to discuss election funding and whether or not these bottomless pocket corporations then get what they want. Coal industry? Bankers? Miners? So lets uncover some real corruption which is never discussed. You are a salesman.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    8:39pm
    Apologies mango. I know Frank is not worth a response.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    9:15pm
    mick, I was doing some preparation for the upcoming witnesses of the TURC. Just brushing up on my knowledge for when I hear the term “Slush Fund.”

    The meaning of the term has not changed much in the last 150 years.
    It appears to be a fund set up by dubious means with a title given to hide it’s intended purpose.

    Cambridge dictionary.
    an amount of money that is kept for dishonest or illegal activities in politics or business.

    Dictionary.com.
    a sum of money used for illicit or corrupt political purposes, as for buying influence.

    Oxford Dictionary.
    A reserve of money used for illicit purposes, especially political bribery.

    The Labor party Dictionary has a similar meaning.
    Maquarie Dictionary.
    money collected unofficially, sometimes by secret or deceitful means, by an individual or an organisation for a special purpose.
    So there you have it mick.

    6th Oct 2015
    5:54pm
    IF the only problem was the cost of 'pharmaceuticals' then this means that the leaks of the TPP content to WikiLeaks still stand and this is a devastating blow to Australia. The piddling advantages to small segments of Australian commerce, is no reason to 'sell out' our country's sovereignty.

    We, Australia, will have lost our SOVEREIGNTY to foreign corporations.

    Australian laws MUST reflect Foreign Corporations PROFIT MOTIVE or Australia will have to present themselves to the TPPs COURT (controlled by the Foreign Corporations) and will then be required to SUPPLEMENT these Foreign Corporations PROFIT or change OUR laws. Either way, the Foreign Corporations either do what they want with our country OR we spend ALL our taxpayer dollars in PROPPING up their PROFITS. So much for the BUDGET, we will spend most of our money NOT on hospitals, education, infrastructure, services or benefits to the people BUT to making sure a handful or Corporate LEASHHOLDERS (wealthy elite) FILL THEIR POCKETS with OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY.

    Australia is having difficulties getting megacorps to fulfil their obligations to clean up their pollution and destruction of our environment already, after the TPP Australia will no longer be able to INHIBIT foreign megacorps from doing whatever they want with our HERITAGE & ENVIRONMENT.

    This TPP is so much more devastating than anything being published.

    It is all because the USA has for decades dumped its manufacturing and moved to financing & controlling the worlds financial houses... i.e., its financial megacorps sit back and rake in the money without doing anything. Because the USA has the world currency, it merely exports its BAD MANAGEMENT to the rest of the world (i.e. GFC).

    However, the USA is losing its World Currency STATUS and as it has no manufacturing to rely upon, is currently setting up these TPP type agreements all around the world and putting undue pressure on idiots such as Andrew Robb to sign away their country's sovereignty. This will ensure that USA megacorps will be able to do whatever they like in OTHER countries and TAKE the profits they want OR sit back and rake in the money from Countries that refuse to change their laws and have to pay SUPPLEMENTING PENALTIES into the USA megacorps who just sit back and rake in the money.

    So Andrew Robb by recommending and signing this TPP is acting treasonously because they are so in awe of the power of the USA......

    SO, it is time to CALL on ALL LIBERAL/LABOR/GREENS/INDEPENDENTS, etc..... to OBJECT STRONGLY to this DISASTROUS USA TPP.

    If any of you are AUSTRALIAN, then this will be a priority.... start sending objections into your parties, local MPs, no matter who they are and tell them NO...NO...NO!
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    6:28pm
    If corporations have the right to sue the government then the agreement needs to be torn up by the next government.
    THE FORGOTTEN
    6th Oct 2015
    6:40pm
    Well put Mussitate.
    I wonder if Mr Wonderful ANDREW ROBB ER will stand up and admit his stupidity when the shit hits the fan..???? Will he forgo his fat Taxpayer funded Pension when it does, and apologise to all Australians for his ' ALL THE WAY WITH USA ' approach.???? This theory happened before and Australian men had to pay with their lives,and the Australian Taxpayer once again funded this folly, following the GOOD OLD USA into a foreign war in Vietnam, started by the USA,for the profits of their LARGE CORPORATIONS,WHO BRIBE AND CORRUPT EVERYONE IN WASHINGTON. . WAKE UP AUSTRALIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Jen
    6th Oct 2015
    6:41pm
    Well said, Mussitate. I have been doing my bit not just today but for weeks, to object to this Agreement. I've found most Australians very apathetic. But soon, they will feel the pinch, if they're not already.
    musicveg
    6th Oct 2015
    5:59pm
    It's not too late to fight this. Get Up has petitions going asking you to contact your local senate who still have to vote. Go to Get Up website or send an email now. This will be a disaster for Australia and give more power to multi national companies.: https://www.getup.org.au/stop-tpp
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2015
    6:34pm
    Yes mick, go to getup and get some info.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    7:36pm
    I agree with you musicveg. Alone one can achieve little. In numbers this corrupt government ignores voters at its own peril. GetUp seems to have a track record forcing corrupt liasons to account and bad decisions to be reviewed. Keep it up mate.

    6th Oct 2015
    8:13pm
    Frank & those that are not sure because of their party politics

    Both HOWARD and GILLARD opposed the TPP on the basis that it allowed USA Japanese & other FOREIGN corporations to sue the Australian govt. when our LAWS opposed THEIR INTERESTS!

    This is NOT a political PARTY issue, it is an issue that will affect everything we do, buy and use in Australia AND how much of our taxpayer $$$ is going in COMPENSATION to FOREIGN CORPORATIONS, instead of our schools, hospitals, infrastructure, benefits and services.

    REMEMBERING that Australian Corporations, in Australia, will be DISADVANTAGED by the fact that they cannot override Australian LAWS but that FOREIGN corporations CAN!

    So get out there Frank and help stop this travesty and treasonous agreement.
    MICK
    6th Oct 2015
    8:41pm
    If what you suspect comes to pass then governments will let corporations get away with absolute murder and will turn a very very blind eye to avoid litigation. Let face it who would want to argue with the likes of Google? No tax paid....no worries!!!
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2015
    6:30am
    This government is doing a similar deal to make sure multinationals pay the appropriate level of tax.
    Mussitate why would I want to stop something which is positive for Australia's growth, purely on political ideology? I will leave that to people like you and mick.
    fordyoot
    6th Oct 2015
    8:55pm
    The TPP stinks. It stinks so much that it has to be kept secret. Howard opposed it Gillard opposed it. Now the current mob think it is wonderful??
    The fact remains that US banking and industrial interests know whats in it and you can be sure their negotiators will run rings around the local boys, Andrew Robb and his crew.
    Hopefully the senate will throw it out into the bin where it belongs
    Not Senile Yet!
    6th Oct 2015
    11:53pm
    Last time this Government promised that they would look after the elderly and Pensioners and not put up taxes.......the sheep heard and voted accordingly......so now you want to believe in a trade Deal that is being kept secret from you.....Baaaah!!! Baaaaahhhh!!! Bleeeaaatt!!.....your way along with Blind Frank and the Brainwashed Dead!!!!
    Me.....no such problem.....they are all just Party Puppets!!!!
    Do Not Vote Puppets into YOUR Parliament!!!!!
    They can only do what the puppeteer tells them to do!!!!
    No Brains is the qualification to be a Party Puppets....that and do what we tell you to do....vote how we say!!!!
    Come on you blind ba ba ba's/////......Wakey Wakey......the fiddlers in Canberra are singing you a song while they lead the Citizens of OZ to the Slaughter by the Corporate Fox!!!!
    Wakey!.... Wakey!....You Need to Do Something NOW!!!!
    PlanB
    7th Oct 2015
    6:50am
    You are right NSY,

    They are all puppets and most of the people are Sheeple

    I have written and signed

    https://www.getup.org.au/stop-tpp

    7th Oct 2015
    2:21am
    mick brought up a good point when talking about the next govt. simply reversing the laws and throwing out the TPP..... my International Law is limited but my understanding is that once signed AND national laws passed, it is not possible to reverse it!
    Anonymous
    7th Oct 2015
    10:30am
    Correct
    Wstaton
    7th Oct 2015
    11:09pm
    What do you mean. I our democratically elected government votes to retract the deal and does. What the heck can they do about it. Invade us.

    The current government seems to be doing things to refugees which is against international law and getting away with it.

    Also what is international law got to do with this agreement?
    Strummer
    7th Oct 2015
    9:24am
    If the TPP is good for us we must have gained something at the expense of our trading partners, so it stands to reason that they have gained something at our expense. But what is it?
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2015
    3:14pm
    Not necessarily Strummer. Partnerships are very rarely a win/lose arrangement, because they don't last very long if they proceed at all. Solid agreements are usually a win/win deal. I wonder why posters here cannot see that?
    retroy
    7th Oct 2015
    1:21pm
    What is in the fine print ?
    It sounds too good to be true and why was Indonesia our closest neighbour, not a signatory?
    Adrianus
    7th Oct 2015
    3:22pm
    Indonesia doesn't like us. We stopped live cattle being shipped to them without warning and they have been looking for another source ever since. They see us as an unreliable supplier. They would rather import from countries further afield.
    geomac
    7th Oct 2015
    11:16pm
    I remember the great expectations from the USA deal. All positive and spin yet it returned 6 billion a year to the USA extra in trade to the yanks. For some reason our govt blocks info on the deal even to MPs yet any USA senator or congressman can read the deal.
    Before it is sealed by govt here why not pass it by the productivity commission ? After all its no guarantee to pass in America and could take two years for all countries to sign up. Labor and the rest should demand it passes the PC test before giving it the okay. That we we would know if we are getting a reasonable deal or getting shafted.
    PlanB
    8th Oct 2015
    10:55am
    Found this about the TPP I have not read it all myself as yet

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/tpp-will-restrict-internet-punish-whistleblowers.html

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership-permanently-locking-in-the-obama-agenda-for-40-percent-of-the-global-economy.html
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2015
    11:58am
    Yep, that's almost word for word what Mussitate, mick, Patriot, Not Senile Yet, Jen, The Forgotten, KAZ, Mangomick and others have been saying. I wondered where they were getting that opinion.
    Tell me this? If all the countries in the TPP are losing out then which countries have anything to gain? Ah you say, the countries which are excluded? Where is your evidence?
    PlanB the main theme of that article is that US jobs will be heading overseas. Same scare mongering threat we hear from the above mentioned. Pray tell, whereabouts overseas? Australia is transitioning it's economy, requiring different skill sets in emerging industries. We need to take advantage of existing resources now as we transition.
    Labor had 6 years to take us forward into a courageous future but did not have the stomach for it. All the talk about the Asian Century was just smoke and mirrors as they now go negative on any progress to improve our economy.
    Jen
    8th Oct 2015
    12:01pm
    If that's true, the end is nigh.
    geomac
    8th Oct 2015
    1:44pm
    If this is such a great deal, why are they hiding it? There is, among other things, a four-letter answer to this question: ISDS (Investor-State Dispute Settlement). ISDS is a mechanism for corporations to sue governments.
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    Water and waste management giant Veolia is suing the government of Egypt for lifting the minimum wage. Canada is being sued for a ban on fracking and Germany for its phasing out of nuclear power; all actions taken under ISDS clauses in free trade pacts.

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    Jen
    8th Oct 2015
    4:32pm
    This government must be insane or evil, pushing ahead with this. Who on earth wants to be controlled by greedy corporations?
    PlanB
    12th Oct 2015
    9:59am
    More here

    The Final Leaked TPP Text is All That We Feared

    http://www.activistpost.com/2015/10/the-final-leaked-tpp-text-is-all-that-we-feared.html
    PlanB
    13th Oct 2015
    6:40am
    Even More here

    If the TPP was really about trade it would include China

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/if-the-tpp-was-really-about-trade-it-would-include-china,8249
    Jen
    13th Oct 2015
    8:10am
    Thanks PlanB.
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2015
    9:53am
    PlanB, Australia always wanted China involved but the US did not. One of the main reasons being Copyright restrictions. We all know China has no bounds when it comes to intellectual property. The US has no confidence that the Chinese government would comply or has any control over that level of commercial activity. It has become such an issue that the owner of a widget with 5 main parts has each part manufactured in 5 different countries and assembled in another.
    Australia on the other hand has less to lose and is not seen as much as a commercial competitor.
    None of what I have read in the 2 articles you refer to is frightening stuff or even new.
    Bill Shorten is staking his political future on the China FTA and if he also opposes the TPP then he will be seen for what he is. A washed up union boss who is still fighting against industry and Australia's future prosperity.
    Jen
    13th Oct 2015
    10:01am
    Frank, I hope you'll do the right thing and choke on your words in years to come.


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