11th Feb 2019
Too little too late: Govt announces $662m aged care boost
Too little too late: Govt announces $662m aged care boost

On the eve of the aged care royal commission, the government announced $662 million in aged care funding, in a move that could be described as a pre-emptive strike but is also being dismissed by Labor and seniors advocacy groups as too little too late.

Just ahead of the first eye-witness accounts of aged care misconduct being heard this week at the royal commission, Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Health Minister Greg Hunt revealed a new package to bolster the troubled sector, which includes $282 million to help older Australians stay in their own home for longer, as well as a $320 million general subsidy increase over the next five years.

The package should deliver an extra 10,000 home care packages for those who want to age in place rather than an aged-care facility.

“We need to have a culture of respect and care and that’s why I announced the royal commission into aged care. It’s why as Prime Minister and treasurer I have delivered thousands of additional home care places,” said Mr Morrison.

“These places give older Australians the choice about how and where they want to live their lives.

“Older Australians have worked hard all their life, paid taxes and done their fair share, and they deserve our support.”

However, more than 120,000 Australians are on the home care package waitlist and around 5000 are added each year. Also, aged care advocates are saying the package is disappointing as it doesn’t guarantee that staffing or training will be lifted.

“It is disappointing there are no conditions attached,” said Council of the Ageing Australia chief Ian Yates.

And Labor aged care spokeswoman Julie Collins said the package did not make up for cuts from the sector made by the Coalition over the past five years.

“Scott Morrison’s election eve announcement on aged care funding is too little too late,” said Ms Collins.

“The waiting list for home care has grown to 127,000 older Australians, with many waiting more than a year to receive the care they have been approved for.”

Critics are saying that the funding is too little too late, which will become even more apparent once the royal commission commences. Even the Prime Minister has warned Australians the evidence presented in the hearings could come as a shock to many Australians.

“I think we should brace ourselves for some pretty bruising information about the way our loved ones, some of them have experienced some real mistreatment,” said Mr Morrison.

Do you think this extra funding is too little too late? Or is any added funding for the aged-care sector well received? Do you consider this a pre-emptive strike to soften the blow of what’s to come?

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    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    10:34am
    A move away from the current robber baron mega-profit before all else approach is the first port of call.

    I'm not a great fan of throwing money at problems, since all that seems to do is feed the problem, and the last people we want to feed are those modern 'business' types (robber barons) who can set up and within a couple of years own Point Piper.

    A more community based management seems more in order. I know (the ex's cousin) people in South Australia who manage a community based over-XX facility, and it is done with absolute respect and with a fair consideration of the actual wants, needs and rights of those who live there. None of this AVEO rubbish... the neo-Mandarin style control that might work in China these days, but is long passe` in the West for many reasons. No longer does the big boy on the block become lord of all he/she surveys and wield total power and control... primitive medieval thinking and long gone from any civilised society - let alone the one that continues to claim to be the oldest civilised Middle Kingdom in the world. (Don't make me laugh about the 'civilised' behaviour of the Chinese warlords currently running the show for their own benefit).

    We, as a nation, need to get onboard with the very real idea that profit first does not work, and is destructive of society, but that there is a Middle Way.. if the string is too tight, it breaks.. if it is too loose, it will not work... (Anna Bligh, caught like a fly playing both ends against her pocket book, should be tied up to a string - you want a tight one or a loose one?).

    Keeping people in their own home is a first step :-
    a) there are too few places.
    b) they are costly (mostly dedicated to profit first and forced to feed 'shareholders' etc).
    c) people thrive more and live better within their established community and where their family are familiar with the surroundings
    d) living in their own home retains a person's 'personal sovereignty', whereas being forced (and I use that term wisely) into an often restrictive and regimented place in an aged facility usually means they become a vassal of someone else and at another's beck and call.
    e) many such facilities are not run properly or along the right lines of respect and even civility, with the staff often adopting a concentration camp guard manner and approach (who indeed guards the guard while the guard guards you?). That change to a CCG is a natural part of human nature... a part of 'casting out the weaker members of the group' - and it takes a very strong-minded person not to fall into that trap. You see it in police and such at times (it's what I call the Corporal Syndrome) - the sudden access to power leads to a loss of personal control and morality and an assumption of absolute superiority and right to impose at whim.
    GeorgeM
    12th Feb 2019
    9:01pm
    Wholly agree with you comments about providing adequate support for keeping people in their own homes.

    Also, this can't really work in a fully Privatised approach - it had to be a Govt venture (maybe under Medicare) which a Customer deals with, with any private services arranged and controlled by the Govt entity. Not wholly outsourced as it is now for profits!
    GeorgeM
    12th Feb 2019
    9:04pm
    That said, the money is still welcome, although quite late after queues built up excessively. I have a small feeling some things are better (even a RC) once Ken Wyatt took over from previous harder-right ministers.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    10:34am
    A move away from the current robber baron mega-profit before all else approach is the first port of call.

    I'm not a great fan of throwing money at problems, since all that seems to do is feed the problem, and the last people we want to feed are those modern 'business' types (robber barons) who can set up and within a couple of years own Point Piper.

    A more community based management seems more in order. I know (the ex's cousin) people in South Australia who manage a community based over-XX facility, and it is done with absolute respect and with a fair consideration of the actual wants, needs and rights of those who live there. None of this AVEO rubbish... the neo-Mandarin style control that might work in China these days, but is long passe` in the West for many reasons. No longer does the big boy on the block become lord of all he/she surveys and wield total power and control... primitive medieval thinking and long gone from any civilised society - let alone the one that continues to claim to be the oldest civilised Middle Kingdom in the world. (Don't make me laugh about the 'civilised' behaviour of the Chinese warlords currently running the show for their own benefit).

    We, as a nation, need to get onboard with the very real idea that profit first does not work, and is destructive of society, but that there is a Middle Way.. if the string is too tight, it breaks.. if it is too loose, it will not work... (Anna Bligh, caught like a fly playing both ends against her pocket book, should be tied up to a string - you want a tight one or a loose one?).

    Keeping people in their own home is a first step :-
    a) there are too few places.
    b) they are costly (mostly dedicated to profit first and forced to feed 'shareholders' etc).
    c) people thrive more and live better within their established community and where their family are familiar with the surroundings
    d) living in their own home retains a person's 'personal sovereignty', whereas being forced (and I use that term wisely) into an often restrictive and regimented place in an aged facility usually means they become a vassal of someone else and at another's beck and call.
    e) many such facilities are not run properly or along the right lines of respect and even civility, with the staff often adopting a concentration camp guard manner and approach (who indeed guards the guard while the guard guards you?). That change to a CCG is a natural part of human nature... a part of 'casting out the weaker members of the group' - and it takes a very strong-minded person not to fall into that trap. You see it in police and such at times (it's what I call the Corporal Syndrome) - the sudden access to power leads to a loss of personal control and morality and an assumption of absolute superiority and right to impose at whim.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    10:59am
    A move away from the current robber baron mega-profit before all else approach is the first port of call.

    I'm not a great fan of throwing money at problems, since all that seems to do is feed the problem, and the last people we want to feed are those modern 'business' types (robber barons) who can set up and within a couple of years own Point Piper.

    A more community based management seems more in order. I know (the ex's cousin) people in South Australia who manage a community based over-XX facility, and it is done with absolute respect and with a fair consideration of the actual wants, needs and rights of those who live there. None of this AVEO rubbish... the neo-Mandarin style control that might work in China these days, but is long passe` in the West for many reasons. No longer does the big boy on the block become lord of all he/she surveys and wield total power and control... primitive medieval thinking and long gone from any civilised society - let alone the one that continues to claim to be the oldest civilised Middle Kingdom in the world. (Don't make me laugh about the 'civilised' behaviour of the Chinese warlords currently running the show for their own benefit).

    We, as a nation, need to get onboard with the very real idea that profit first does not work, and is destructive of society, but that there is a Middle Way.. if the string is too tight, it breaks.. if it is too loose, it will not work... (Anna Bligh, caught like a fly playing both ends against her pocket book, should be tied up to a string - you want a tight one or a loose one?).

    Keeping people in their own home is a first step :-
    a) there are too few places.
    b) they are costly (mostly dedicated to profit first and forced to feed 'shareholders' etc).
    c) people thrive more and live better within their established community and where their family are familiar with the surroundings
    d) living in their own home retains a person's 'personal sovereignty', whereas being forced (and I use that term wisely) into an often restrictive and regimented place in an aged facility usually means they become a vassal of someone else and at another's beck and call.
    e) many such facilities are not run properly or along the right lines of respect and even civility, with the staff often adopting a concentration camp guard manner and approach (who indeed guards the guard while the guard guards you?). That change to a CCG is a natural part of human nature... a part of 'casting out the weaker members of the group' - and it takes a very strong-minded person not to fall into that trap. You see it in police and such at times (it's what I call the Corporal Syndrome) - the sudden access to power leads to a loss of personal control and morality and an assumption of absolute superiority and right to impose at whim.
    FormerLaborVoter
    11th Feb 2019
    11:10am
    Good on this government for setting up an RC on aged care and this huge expenditure on care packages . It will help tens of thousands of pensioners struggling with mobility issues
    Of course labor will be against anything this government does for the good of its citizens
    Not a Bludger
    11th Feb 2019
    12:49pm
    Dead right, Lothario
    Not a Bludger
    11th Feb 2019
    12:49pm
    Dead right, Lothario
    Not a Bludger
    11th Feb 2019
    12:49pm
    Dead right, Lothario
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    1:37pm
    Dead talk, Lothario. How is a Royal Commission going to actually do anything? It's all in the implementation......... you mistake clerical function for operation....
    Triss
    11th Feb 2019
    5:37pm
    Cynical maybe but I think a good percentage of that money will be diverted into extras for officials rather than the aged who need it.
    Triss
    11th Feb 2019
    5:40pm
    Cynical maybe but I think a good percentage of that money will be diverted into extras for officials rather than the aged who need it.

    Is there something wrong here? Won’t respond to ‘post a reply, and then multiple postings appear.
    SFR
    11th Feb 2019
    5:52pm
    one time will do folks.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:47pm
    ONCE AGAIN - HIT 'POST' AND THEN EXIT THE PAGE, AND THEN RE-ENTER FROM THE LINK ON THE LETTER IN YOUR INBOX. IT'S ALL THERE... ONCE!
    Triss
    11th Feb 2019
    10:07pm
    That didn't work on my machine, Trebor, and there was a long pause so I didn't get the chance to remove all the extra postings either. Weird.
    ozrog
    11th Feb 2019
    11:28am
    We need staff quotas. More money pumped it will only feed these companies bottom line.
    Triss
    11th Feb 2019
    5:41pm
    Have to agree with you, ozrog.
    ozrog
    11th Feb 2019
    11:28am
    We need staff quotas. More money pumped it will only feed these companies bottom line.
    ozrog
    11th Feb 2019
    11:28am
    We need staff quotas. More money pumped it will only feed these companies bottom line.
    ozrog
    11th Feb 2019
    11:28am
    We need staff quotas. More money pumped it will only feed these companies bottom line.
    ozrog
    11th Feb 2019
    11:28am
    We need staff quotas. More money pumped it will only feed these companies bottom line.
    Rae
    11th Feb 2019
    11:40am
    I was a bit shocked to learn that Energy Australia alone has taken over $30 billion in untaxed profits out of Australia already to support China.

    Aged care should be a Medicare responsibility. It's a health matter for people who have paid huge amounts in taxes, medicare levies and often private health insurance.

    It should never have been allowed to become just another way for privateers to gouge huge profits nor a method of forcing sales of the family home.

    This generation has been like moths to a flame of incompetence and greed.

    At some point the rot has to stop.
    FormerLaborVoter
    11th Feb 2019
    11:51am
    What do you mean by “energy Australia taking $30 billion in untaxed profits “out of Australia ???
    Makes no sense
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    11:51am
    Yup - time to stop the rot....
    Rae
    11th Feb 2019
    2:09pm
    Energy Australia is now owned by Chinese interests operating out of Hong Kong.

    Since Baird sold to these privateers and prices were raised the sums now flowing off shore instead of into revenue are astonishing.

    Over 50% of all shares are foreign owned now.

    The Balance of Payments is looking disastrous.
    FormerLaborVoter
    11th Feb 2019
    2:14pm
    Still makes no sense
    john
    11th Feb 2019
    4:19pm
    Any thing this country does with China , is a danger. China are bleeders , they bleed anything and everything they come in contact with, they are parasites for profit, with no care in them , they are cold and hard because they see nothing, but how to survive, and that will depend on how wealthy they get, BECAUSE THEY ALL CRY POOR .
    And how they get wealthy is by doing anything it takes. Forget about money and aged care, what Australia needs is to remove itself from Chinese business and dealing, totally. Sell some minerals to them if they want, but they take more out than they put in AUSTRALIA.

    THEY KILL OFF THE LOCALS IN HOUSE PRICES BY INVESTING AND THEY WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY AND ITS NOT FAR AWAY.

    Deal with China and you deal with the Chinese government, they are not a fair govt, they are definitely not a communist country, they are a power group of wealthy autocratic dictators.
    Maybe they had to be like this because of their numbers, maybe that power grouping are scared of their billion or so people.
    Maybe they have reason to be, scared, because China do not give a stuff about humanity even its own, and the rest of the world they thumb their noses at.
    Massive reform will come to China, and it won't be pretty and it will come from inside it more than likely.
    I cannot understand why we deal with people who are untrustworthy , that may sound nasty , but remember they trust not a soul on earth in any kind of foreign connection.

    If they have invested in our aged system , we are all dead.

    I'll take Russian an American a Japanese any Europeans , even the crazies in the middle east, before China
    .Because of their totalitarian regime, which is like a bee hive of wealthy dictators , with a billion drones, and if they were the "America" of the world, I reckon I know how they'd deal with the middle east, they'd just send in a million soldiers and put down every uprising that's on going, leave it really like a car park.That's how that system in China is to me.
    Perhaps its too late, our pollies have sold out.
    john
    11th Feb 2019
    4:19pm
    Any thing this country does with China , is a danger. China are bleeders , they bleed anything and everything they come in contact with, they are parasites for profit, with no care in them , they are cold and hard because they see nothing, but how to survive, and that will depend on how wealthy they get, BECAUSE THEY ALL CRY POOR .
    And how they get wealthy is by doing anything it takes. Forget about money and aged care, what Australia needs is to remove itself from Chinese business and dealing, totally. Sell some minerals to them if they want, but they take more out than they put in AUSTRALIA.

    THEY KILL OFF THE LOCALS IN HOUSE PRICES BY INVESTING AND THEY WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY AND ITS NOT FAR AWAY.

    Deal with China and you deal with the Chinese government, they are not a fair govt, they are definitely not a communist country, they are a power group of wealthy autocratic dictators.
    Maybe they had to be like this because of their numbers, maybe that power grouping are scared of their billion or so people.
    Maybe they have reason to be, scared, because China do not give a stuff about humanity even its own, and the rest of the world they thumb their noses at.
    Massive reform will come to China, and it won't be pretty and it will come from inside it more than likely.
    I cannot understand why we deal with people who are untrustworthy , that may sound nasty , but remember they trust not a soul on earth in any kind of foreign connection.

    If they have invested in our aged system , we are all dead.

    I'll take Russian an American a Japanese any Europeans , even the crazies in the middle east, before China
    .Because of their totalitarian regime, which is like a bee hive of wealthy dictators , with a billion drones, and if they were the "America" of the world, I reckon I know how they'd deal with the middle east, they'd just send in a million soldiers and put down every uprising that's on going, leave it really like a car park.That's how that system in China is to me.
    Perhaps its too late, our pollies have sold out.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:50pm
    The plan is economic domination of the West, john - and our sycophants in Parliament are handing it to them like lemmings. It is not the Chinese people we need to be concerned about - they're nice - it's their government.

    ONCE AGAIN - HIT 'POST' AND THEN EXIT THE PAGE, AND THEN RE-ENTER FROM THE LINK ON THE LETTER IN YOUR INBOX. IT'S ALL THERE... ONCE!
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:56pm
    OR HIT 'POST' AND THEN F5.
    GeorgeM
    12th Feb 2019
    8:26pm
    Agree, Rae, it should always have been part of Medicare responsibility, with needed privatised services controlled for quality and value by Govt inspectors.

    For all to avoid re-posting, after posting, if you get no response, Copy the text (for safety to avoid re-typing if indeed it is lost), then either hit F5 (Windows), or Reload page (from View) in Apple ignoring the Warming that you may lose your changes, then you can check that it did indeed post. You can then still remove it / edit it if it was incorrect or if you posted it multiple times.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    11:45am
    A move away from the current robber baron mega-profit before all else approach is the first port of call.

    I'm not a great fan of throwing money at problems, since all that seems to do is feed the problem, and the last people we want to feed are those modern 'business' types (robber barons) who can set up and within a couple of years own Point Piper.

    A more community based management seems more in order. I know (the ex's cousin) people in South Australia who manage a community based over-XX facility, and it is done with absolute respect and with a fair consideration of the actual wants, needs and rights of those who live there. None of this AVEO rubbish... the neo-Mandarin style control that might work in China these days, but is long passe` in the West for many reasons. No longer does the big boy on the block become lord of all he/she surveys and wield total power and control... primitive medieval thinking and long gone from any civilised society - let alone the one that continues to claim to be the oldest civilised Middle Kingdom in the world. (Don't make me laugh about the 'civilised' behaviour of the Chinese warlords currently running the show for their own benefit).

    We, as a nation, need to get onboard with the very real idea that profit first does not work, and is destructive of society, but that there is a Middle Way.. if the string is too tight, it breaks.. if it is too loose, it will not work... (Anna Bligh, caught like a fly playing both ends against her pocket book, should be tied up to a string - you want a tight one or a loose one?).

    Keeping people in their own home is a first step :-
    a) there are too few places.
    b) they are costly (mostly dedicated to profit first and forced to feed 'shareholders' etc).
    c) people thrive more and live better within their established community and where their family are familiar with the surroundings
    d) living in their own home retains a person's 'personal sovereignty', whereas being forced (and I use that term wisely) into an often restrictive and regimented place in an aged facility usually means they become a vassal of someone else and at another's beck and call.
    e) many such facilities are not run properly or along the right lines of respect and even civility, with the staff often adopting a concentration camp guard manner and approach (who indeed guards the guard while the guard guards you?). That change to a CCG is a natural part of human nature... a part of 'casting out the weaker members of the group' - and it takes a very strong-minded person not to fall into that trap. You see it in police and such at times (it's what I call the Corporal Syndrome) - the sudden access to power leads to a loss of personal control and morality and an assumption of absolute superiority and right to impose at whim.

    Anyone else notice that the forum is acting like frozen treacle running downhill in Winter in the Alps?
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    11:54am
    How to fix the problem of this site not posting!!!

    Write your post, hit post/reply whatever... then exit the site and then re-enter it from your inbox... all is shown....

    Don't ask me - something wrong here - been going on since Friday, but that works and prevents repeat, repeat, repeats...
    SFR
    11th Feb 2019
    5:55pm
    Just press F5 after posting, this will refresh your page.
    And this from a guy with IT in his CV.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:52pm
    Phew - thanks - that's two end arounds we can use.... I wrote Drew about the issue and they're working on it.
    musicveg
    11th Feb 2019
    9:17pm
    There is a small window to delete your post to, or edit.
    ozrog
    11th Feb 2019
    12:01pm
    We need staff quotas. More money pumped it will only feed these companies bottom line.
    pedro the swift
    11th Feb 2019
    12:10pm
    So the libs are going to "give" back to aged care a bit of what they cut out before. How damn generous. I guess the money is going to flow to private industry providers to boost their profits. Well done, Mr Dutton.How much are to going to get out of this, i wonder?
    And announced just before an election too. How convenient!
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    12:35pm
    Yes - our current and recent crops of politicians have learned the lessons of the Third world very well - they enter politics for their own self-enrichment and give not one damn for the real issues for the people who put them there to serve.

    Of course it is an election year and many fine fruits are likely to appear to fall.... then they will rot on the ground and become nothing once the election is over..... same for both 'sides' of The Tag Team....

    Dutton probably has shares or his wife does or he is in the offing for a fine 'job' once he's booted out of politics.... with one of these organisations or a Chinese energy company or similar....
    Rae
    11th Feb 2019
    2:13pm
    Aged care should never have been privatised. It should be under the Medicare umbrella. People paid enough in taxes, medicare levies and private health insurance already.

    Perhaps we should refuse to play at all until this mess is sorted out.

    I find elderly and frail forced to sell their home and pay excessive funds for the right to be abused appalling.
    Triss
    11th Feb 2019
    10:12pm
    You're so right, Rae.
    Sceptic
    11th Feb 2019
    12:17pm
    Is this a new problem with the site, with postings being repeated and repeated. Or are posters thinking they get more attention? I for one cannot be bothered with scrolling down through repeated "copy" postings, so just close the page.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    12:32pm
    Close the page after hitting post, and re-open it from inbox.
    SFR
    11th Feb 2019
    5:56pm
    Just press F5 after posting, this will refresh your page.
    And this from a guy with IT in his CV.
    Triss
    11th Feb 2019
    10:13pm
    Take a deep breath and exercise a little patience until the problem is sorted out, Sceptic.
    AutumnOz
    11th Feb 2019
    1:30pm
    The aged care packages are too inflexible to be efficient for the majority of people who really need them to stay in their own home.
    The money will still be going to the service providers and the aged person will still be locked in to the minimal care provided if they are in a nursing home.
    Or if they are in their own home by the care provided by a service provider, yes they can choose their own service provider but that still locks them into using the cleaning, personal care etc. provided by that service provider rather than the aged person choosing the best cleaner for the job and the best person for personal care etc.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:57pm
    Just press F5 after posting, this will refresh your page. (courtesy of SFR)
    AutumnOz
    11th Feb 2019
    1:32pm
    The aged care packages are too inflexible to be efficient for the majority of people who really need them to stay in their own home.
    The money will still be going to the service providers and the aged person will still be locked in to the minimal care provided if they are in a nursing home.
    Or if they are in their own home by the care provided by a service provider, yes they can choose their own service provider but that still locks them into using the cleaning, personal care etc. provided by that service provider rather than the aged person choosing the best cleaner for the job and the best person for personal care etc.
    AutumnOz
    11th Feb 2019
    1:37pm
    The aged care packages are too inflexible to be efficient for the majority of people who really need them to stay in their own home.
    The money will still be going to the service providers and the aged person will still be locked in to the minimal care provided if they are in a nursing home.
    Or if they are in their own home by the care provided by a service provider, yes they can choose their own service provider but that still locks them into using the cleaning, personal care etc. provided by that service provider rather than the aged person choosing the best cleaner for the job and the best person for personal care etc.
    Not a Bludger
    11th Feb 2019
    2:11pm
    Trust the lefties to call gloom & doom and moan & groan.
    By any measure, $662 million is a significant sum and will make a significant difference.
    The Feds and Morrison+Hunt deserve a well done for this initiative.
    Rae
    11th Feb 2019
    2:15pm
    Yes and let's hope it goes into service provision and not into providers and shareholders bank balances.
    Sundays
    11th Feb 2019
    3:27pm
    That’s the problem isn’t it. Look what happened with education providers used to replace TAFE. The providers got rich and the students got junk qualifications. I think the money is a good thing but it needs to have conditions attached to it to ensure those who need services get it
    Not a Bludger
    11th Feb 2019
    4:26pm
    Geez Rae and Sundays - can’t you for once look on the bright side and praise a good and needed initiative - rather than finding hypothetical, negative reasons for it not to work.
    Rae
    11th Feb 2019
    5:05pm
    Not at the moment. Too much privatisation, rip offs and privateering going on. It's not working and tossing a few hundred million at it to buy votes isn't going to make it work as long as all the providers see are $$$ for themselves.

    Even the carers don't want to work for them now as they are being forced to work hours a day for no money.

    I'll believe it when I see it working. I no longer trust this Government nor the Opposition.

    Fooled me once too often.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:53pm
    Same here, Rae - they chewed my arse one time too many - now it's never forget time...
    Triss
    11th Feb 2019
    10:21pm
    Short memory, Sceptic. Think back at how much money governments have tossed around at times and then remember that the people it was meant for never saw it. I think Sundays and Rae are realists and it's folk like you who refuse to learn from history.
    srs21
    11th Feb 2019
    2:35pm
    Doesn’t matter how much the germ says he’ll “give”, it’s still a shortfall of about$1.7 billion shy of what he took off the sector during his spate atbeing treasurer and pm.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:58pm
    Just press F5 after posting, this will refresh your page. (courtesy of SFR)
    srs21
    11th Feb 2019
    2:35pm
    Doesn’t matter how much the germ says he’ll “give”, it’s still a shortfall of about$1.7 billion shy of what he took off the sector during his spate atbeing treasurer and pm.
    srs21
    11th Feb 2019
    2:35pm
    Doesn’t matter how much the germ says he’ll “give”, it’s still a shortfall of about$1.7 billion shy of what he took off the sector during his spate atbeing treasurer and pm.
    srs21
    11th Feb 2019
    2:35pm
    Doesn’t matter how much the germ says he’ll “give”, it’s still a shortfall of about$1.7 billion shy of what he took off the sector during his spate atbeing treasurer and pm.
    srs21
    11th Feb 2019
    2:36pm
    Doesn’t matter how much the germ says he’ll “give”, it’s still a shortfall of about$1.7 billion shy of what he took off the sector during his spate atbeing treasurer and pm.
    Bes
    11th Feb 2019
    3:28pm
    Supposedly run 'None for Profit' and under/using the guise and or name of a church or social organisation but Incorporated.
    Lots are Foreign run and using a majority of people from their own country.
    Apart from the 'higher hierarchy' of management and office staff, the carers/workers' are poorly paid.
    Labor however has shown interest in retirement plans that cost the taxpayer zero! With Franking Credits company tax has already been paid.
    A brief mention of Inheritance Tax from far left/union leader Sally McManus, a part of the baggage along with the Greens that we shall get with Labor.
    “Scott Morrison’s election eve announcement on aged care funding is too little too late,” said Ms Collins.
    She made no mention of Labors intent and more importantly Labor's SOLUTION?
    Labor has not and will not mention the national Deficit.....the empty bank left to us from Mr Rudd, the Chinese speaking demi god of Labor past! (And before him a Mr Whitlam was involved in breaching the Constitution and involving Foreign Money)
    In my old age my thoughts run along the logic that EVERYTHING that is government funded is funded by the Australian Taxpayer.
    And I wonder what kind of life/existence my Grand and Grandchildren will be left with?
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:58pm
    Just press F5 after posting, this will refresh your page. (courtesy of SFR)
    Bes
    11th Feb 2019
    3:28pm
    Supposedly run 'None for Profit' and under/using the guise and or name of a church or social organisation but Incorporated.
    Lots are Foreign run and using a majority of people from their own country.
    Apart from the 'higher hierarchy' of management and office staff, the carers/workers' are poorly paid.
    Labor however has shown interest in retirement plans that cost the taxpayer zero! With Franking Credits company tax has already been paid.
    A brief mention of Inheritance Tax from far left/union leader Sally McManus, a part of the baggage along with the Greens that we shall get with Labor.
    “Scott Morrison’s election eve announcement on aged care funding is too little too late,” said Ms Collins.
    She made no mention of Labors intent and more importantly Labor's SOLUTION?
    Labor has not and will not mention the national Deficit.....the empty bank left to us from Mr Rudd, the Chinese speaking demi god of Labor past! (And before him a Mr Whitlam was involved in breaching the Constitution and involving Foreign Money)
    In my old age my thoughts run along the logic that EVERYTHING that is government funded is funded by the Australian Taxpayer.
    And I wonder what kind of life/existence my Grand and Grandchildren will be left with?
    Bes
    11th Feb 2019
    3:28pm
    Supposedly run 'None for Profit' and under/using the guise and or name of a church or social organisation but Incorporated.
    Lots are Foreign run and using a majority of people from their own country.
    Apart from the 'higher hierarchy' of management and office staff, the carers/workers' are poorly paid.
    Labor however has shown interest in retirement plans that cost the taxpayer zero! With Franking Credits company tax has already been paid.
    A brief mention of Inheritance Tax from far left/union leader Sally McManus, a part of the baggage along with the Greens that we shall get with Labor.
    “Scott Morrison’s election eve announcement on aged care funding is too little too late,” said Ms Collins.
    She made no mention of Labors intent and more importantly Labor's SOLUTION?
    Labor has not and will not mention the national Deficit.....the empty bank left to us from Mr Rudd, the Chinese speaking demi god of Labor past! (And before him a Mr Whitlam was involved in breaching the Constitution and involving Foreign Money)
    In my old age my thoughts run along the logic that EVERYTHING that is government funded is funded by the Australian Taxpayer.
    And I wonder what kind of life/existence my Grand and Grandchildren will be left with?
    Bes
    11th Feb 2019
    3:29pm
    Supposedly run 'None for Profit' and under/using the guise and or name of a church or social organisation but Incorporated.
    Lots are Foreign run and using a majority of people from their own country.
    Apart from the 'higher hierarchy' of management and office staff, the carers/workers' are poorly paid.
    Labor however has shown interest in retirement plans that cost the taxpayer zero! With Franking Credits company tax has already been paid.
    A brief mention of Inheritance Tax from far left/union leader Sally McManus, a part of the baggage along with the Greens that we shall get with Labor.
    “Scott Morrison’s election eve announcement on aged care funding is too little too late,” said Ms Collins.
    She made no mention of Labors intent and more importantly Labor's SOLUTION?
    Labor has not and will not mention the national Deficit.....the empty bank left to us from Mr Rudd, the Chinese speaking demi god of Labor past! (And before him a Mr Whitlam was involved in breaching the Constitution and involving Foreign Money)
    In my old age my thoughts run along the logic that EVERYTHING that is government funded is funded by the Australian Taxpayer.
    And I wonder what kind of life/existence my Grand and Grandchildren will be left with?
    Not a Bludger
    11th Feb 2019
    3:37pm
    Trust the lefties to call gloom & doom and moan & groan.
    By any measure, $662 million is a significant sum and will make a significant difference.
    The Feds and Morrison+Hunt deserve a well done for this initiative.
    TREBOR
    11th Feb 2019
    6:54pm
    $320m is going to the providers to lift their game.. why should they be paid to lift their game?
    mogo51
    11th Feb 2019
    3:58pm
    Typical political grand standing and opportunism
    Too late for this lot, including opposition.
    mogo51
    11th Feb 2019
    3:58pm
    Typical political grand standing and opportunism
    Too late for this lot, including opposition.
    mogo51
    11th Feb 2019
    3:58pm
    Typical political grand standing and opportunism
    Too late for this lot, including opposition.
    sunnyOz
    11th Feb 2019
    6:10pm
    So all this so called money for 'at home care'. WHERE are the staff to assist these packages? Current numbers are woefully inadequate as it is now. My elderly aunt has a home care package, and the number of times the visits have been cancelled due to short staff.
    sunnyOz
    11th Feb 2019
    6:11pm
    So all this so called money for 'at home care'. WHERE are the staff to assist these packages? Current numbers are woefully inadequate as it is now. My elderly aunt has a home care package, and the number of times the visits have been cancelled due to short staff.
    sunnyOz
    11th Feb 2019
    6:12pm
    So all this so called money for 'at home care'. WHERE are the staff to assist these packages? Current numbers are woefully inadequate as it is now. My elderly aunt has a home care package, and the number of times the visits have been cancelled due to short staff.
    Adrianus
    11th Feb 2019
    9:38pm
    How can the additional funding be "too little too late?"
    Adrianus
    12th Feb 2019
    9:43am
    Perhaps because it wasn't done 30 years ago when we had a problem and knew of the increasing need?
    Rae
    13th Feb 2019
    4:00pm
    Yes other countries have a thing called a census where they count people and figure the demographics out and actually do something other than flinging money at foreign and home grown grifters.
    Pass the Ductape
    12th Feb 2019
    9:59am
    Like many have said on this site - throwing money at the problem will never work as long as profit is the motive behind aged care facilities. How you get to what is required (groups of people who genuinely place the care of their charges ahead of healthy profits) is the question. Most human beings are only interested in money and how to go about gathering as much of it they can - despite who or how many others get trodden on in the process, so I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for anything major to occur in the long term.
    Adrianus
    12th Feb 2019
    4:11pm
    I cannot disagree with that Pass the Ductape. I recall when Labor were last in government we had similar issues being raised about aged care facilities. Bill Shorten came to the rescue gave money to the providers, signed every aged care worker into the union, and stated that all the issues were fixed. Bill was seen by his union mates as the next best thing to a messiah and made leader of the ALP.
    Aged Care, Education, hospitals, are similar to African starvation. Someone is making money out of it and as soon as the well dries up evidence is produced to show the need for more.
    Rae
    13th Feb 2019
    4:02pm
    Unless you are in Finland or Sweden etc where universal public health, education , aged care, childcare actually work.
    sybilla
    12th Feb 2019
    12:17pm
    Magie's support package enables home management of her Parkinsons. Yet, I spend visit time doing things the carers' occ health and safety regs disallow. e.g Dusting: dust is a documented infection and allergy hazard yet Maggie's house would be knee-deep in it if I didn't help out. Care-agencies' policies state they may not move objects to dust under them. Reason being that ornaments etc may be broken. (I thought that was what insurance was for :)) Nor may they reach above shoulder height to do chores, nor can they use bleach etc. They almost never move furniture to clean under it and so on. So what is the point?
    sybilla
    12th Feb 2019
    12:18pm
    Magie's support package enables home management of her Parkinsons. Yet, I spend visit time doing things the carers' occ health and safety regs disallow. e.g Dusting: dust is a documented infection and allergy hazard yet Maggie's house would be knee-deep in it if I didn't help out. Care-agencies' policies state they may not move objects to dust under them. Reason being that ornaments etc may be broken. (I thought that was what insurance was for :)) Nor may they reach above shoulder height to do chores, nor can they use bleach etc. They almost never move furniture to clean under it and so on. So what is the point?
    sybilla
    12th Feb 2019
    12:18pm
    Magie's support package enables home management of her Parkinsons. Yet, I spend visit time doing things the carers' occ health and safety regs disallow. e.g Dusting: dust is a documented infection and allergy hazard yet Maggie's house would be knee-deep in it if I didn't help out. Care-agencies' policies state they may not move objects to dust under them. Reason being that ornaments etc may be broken. (I thought that was what insurance was for :)) Nor may they reach above shoulder height to do chores, nor can they use bleach etc. They almost never move furniture to clean under it and so on. So what is the point?
    sybilla
    12th Feb 2019
    12:18pm
    Magie's support package enables home management of her Parkinsons. Yet, I spend visit time doing things the carers' occ health and safety regs disallow. e.g Dusting: dust is a documented infection and allergy hazard yet Maggie's house would be knee-deep in it if I didn't help out. Care-agencies' policies state they may not move objects to dust under them. Reason being that ornaments etc may be broken. (I thought that was what insurance was for :)) Nor may they reach above shoulder height to do chores, nor can they use bleach etc. They almost never move furniture to clean under it and so on. So what is the point?
    sybilla
    12th Feb 2019
    12:20pm
    Magie's support package enables home management of her Parkinsons. Yet, I spend visit time doing things the carers' occ health and safety regs disallow. e.g Dusting: dust is a documented infection and allergy hazard yet Maggie's house would be knee-deep in it if I didn't help out. Care-agencies' policies state they may not move objects to dust under them. Reason being that ornaments etc may be broken. (I thought that was what insurance was for :)) Nor may they reach above shoulder height to do chores, nor can they use bleach etc. They almost never move furniture to clean under it and so on. So what is the point? These care delivery agencies are regulated beyond the bounds of reasonable common-sense.
    sybilla
    12th Feb 2019
    12:20pm
    Magie's support package enables home management of her Parkinsons. Yet, I spend visit time doing things the carers' occ health and safety regs disallow. e.g Dusting: dust is a documented infection and allergy hazard yet Maggie's house would be knee-deep in it if I didn't help out. Care-agencies' policies state they may not move objects to dust under them. Reason being that ornaments etc may be broken. (I thought that was what insurance was for :)) Nor may they reach above shoulder height to do chores, nor can they use bleach etc. They almost never move furniture to clean under it and so on. So what is the point? These care delivery agencies are regulated beyond the bounds of reasonable common-sense.
    Sophie
    12th Feb 2019
    12:44pm
    Aged care providers are expected to rake in $1.7 billion worth of profits in 2018-19, but reports of poor living conditions in nursing homes have raised concerns that the industry is putting profit before people. YET..the Government states $320m will go directly towards aged care providers. Why?

    These funds should be administered by a carefully chosen government body. I have no confidence in the funds being used in the right way. It’s like giving an alcoholic a job in a pub for goodness sake.
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