Australia spends big on defence

Australia has purchased 58 new Joint Strike Fighters at a cost of $12.4 billion.

Australia spends big on defence

Just weeks before Joe Hockey announces what is expected to be the toughest budget on citizens of this century, Tony Abbott yesterday confirmed that Australia has agreed to purchase an additional 58 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

Australia currently has two Joint Strike Fighters already paid for and a further 12 already on order, with the new order taking the total to 62 aircraft. Valued at $12.4 billion in lifetime costs, the new order of fighters is one of Australia’s most expensive military acquisitions ever. They will replace the currently used Hornet F/A-18 aircraft, which are due to be retired in 2022.

When Prime Minister Tony Abbott was questioned on whether he was worried that taxpayers would question the cost of the program in light of looming budget cuts, Mr Abbot said "This is not new spending today. In the context of a tough budget, this is spending money that we need to spend that has been sensibly put aside in the past to ensure that our nation's defences remain strong". Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has backed the purchase of the aircraft.

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Opinion: Joe won’t defend pensioners

In his keynote speech yesterday, Joe Hockey set his sights on ending the “age of entitlement” by announcing that the current Age Pension, the growing costs of aged care services and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme were all unsuitable for a changing Australia.

Mr Hockey made his intentions very clear last night. He stated that there is an imbalance in the current taxation system, but that the Government would be taking any taxation changes to the next election. Mr Hockey said that “we all must contribute” in his speech, yet his main focus was on the spending on key services which aid those over the age of 60.

We should all be worried.

The handling of budget leak announcements by Mr Hockey and the Abbott Government has been highly irresponsible, with big picture cuts or changes suggested with very little detail revealed. The pension age increase to 70 is a prime example. It is reasonable to expect such a change to be implemented over several years, yet the increase was reported by most news outlets as if it would be immediate.

One thing is clear to me; Mr Hockey will win no friends amongst older voters this budget and they will certainly remember Mr Abbott’s promise of no change to pensions when it comes time to vote in the next election.

What do you think? Should we have spent $12.4 billion on fighter jets to increase our defensive and offensive military power? Is Mr Hockey unfairly targeting seniors in the upcoming budget? Has the Coalition already lost your vote?





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    Big_Kahuna
    24th Apr 2014
    10:07am
    Will Tony be getting a haircut like Kim Jong-un soon?
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    4:14pm
    Don't Blame Me ..I drew an F111 on My Ballot Paper !!
    Kristo
    24th Apr 2014
    10:12am
    Some analysis says the cost will be twice that with the support and running costs.
    While Hockey spins flat out about 'nothings free' ( except we pay the medicare levy and taxes so I though we might be making a contribution) they think that this is OK. It's not. And from overseas information by aero experts the things a dud anyway.
    Gosh these Libs love a warplane.
    Jen
    24th Apr 2014
    11:36am
    What will these jets be used for? In case of a war? How much will it cost to maintain them sitting on the ground, possibly forever? Do we have enough pilots trained to fly them, mechanics to service them? Where's the common sense?
    moke
    24th Apr 2014
    4:16pm
    Just a pity they don't use one as their preferred use for air travel if they are dud as advise comes from experts we can look for a new government, but is there anyone out there we can trust?
    Geminiwoman
    29th Apr 2014
    10:44am
    You're right moke, I've always been a labour voter, however, I now don't trust either party. What do we do when the next election comes along, vote independent? That might send a message, but would end up being a wasted vote as it seems our only choices are either Labour or Liberal/National. Neither party has done the right thing by our Country in recent years. We have one party who just wants to spend, spend, spend and put us in debt, and another party who wants us all to TIGHTEN our belts and live in poverty. Ahh what to do?
    Skippy
    24th Apr 2014
    10:12am
    How much do we spend on aid for overseas countries? Charity begins at home so they say. Pensioners aren't asking for charity all they ask for is the government to help them, after all they did pay taxes for how many years? Most started work at 15 years of age and continued until they were in their 60s, they have more than earned their pension. Cut in half the aid we send overseas and look after our pensioners.
    jimjon
    24th Apr 2014
    10:24am
    Why do we need to spend over 14 BILLION dollars on new aircraft? Who is the perceived threat, and which country? China? India? Fiji?, PNG? Or could it feasibly be Indonesia with its current population of over 220 Billion! Seems to me that could only be any threat if this Government continues to ignore the privacy of its Borders and treats that country as third world. Its time we made travel between our countries as free ans wasy as we do with China and Japan.
    jimjon
    24th Apr 2014
    10:27am
    I am waiting with interest to hear how much politicians plan to forego in the interests of economy and saving to assist our Budget deficit!
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    7:26pm
    Have an Interesting Wait Jimjon !
    Mamacrystal
    24th Apr 2014
    9:20pm
    But don't hold your breath!
    nettiser
    24th Apr 2014
    10:34am
    Why is it that politicians always disadvantage the lower income people? Hockey you are a total prick! If we all have to bear the burden then why is it that we have not heard how politicians will take a wage cut? You are overpaid and over indulged in rorting the system for your own gains. Stop paying hangers on and retired pollies. Also STOP sending money for overseas aid until you have got our own economy in order. LEAVE MEDICARE ALONE... tax the high income users of this system, or remove them. Natonalise the medical profession and stop pandering to their aim for richness and being treayed like royalty. There should be no gap payments, There should be price control on the medical and dental profession, they are the rorters of the medicare system. It dosn't take too many brains to realise that, but you guys close your eyes and mind to those facts.
    Pass the Ductape
    24th Apr 2014
    11:39am
    Spot on!
    LENYJAC
    24th Apr 2014
    12:30pm
    OVERPAID LYING FAT PRICK HOCKEY REDUCE YOURS AND ALL POL(LIES) PAY, NO NEW PLANES, STOP SENDING MILLIONS OVERSEAS THEN WE MIGHT SEE A DIFFERENCE
    Penqueen1949
    24th Apr 2014
    12:39pm
    Yes I totally agree re politicians especially joe the jockey who is trying to ride those of us less better off into the ground. I also think that state governments should be abolished. Australia has far too many politicians for the population of this country. I believe that no politician should be treated better than anyone who has to apply for an Age Pension. There should be NO pension for politicians who have more assets and funds than those of us on a Centrelink pension. Also their superannuation should be the same as ordinary workers and when they die any pension stops as what happens to ordinary Australians..... Their pay and allowance should be halved immediately as well.....
    FrankC
    24th Apr 2014
    1:10pm
    Nettiser, that is so correct. When Julia was in, she provided $17 million to to post cyclone Yasi disaster fund, with more to come. Big deal. Australia supports UNCERF ,- United Nations Central Emergency Response Fund, which provides speed and efficient humanitarian aid in the immediate aftermath of a crisis as well as providing funding for protracted and underfunded emergencies. Since we pay (like insurance premium ) $60 million over 4 years, why didn't she make a withdrawal. As for overseas aid, in2011/12 Oz provided $4.3 billion in 'overseas development programmes', which was planned to go up to $8 - 9 billion by 2015-16. We were giving Africa $200.9 million ,( I wonder how much of that was siphoned off !) Indonesia $1.092 billion, PNG and Pacific region $1.085 billion, Central Asia and Middle East (!!) $273.8 million , and the list goes on. Back then some public servants were getting paid exorbitant salaries, tax free I might add for supervising Vanuatu's roads :- $443K p.a. and a Gender Intergration adviser to PNG :-$293.423 p.a.. I would expect our 'leader' to give more consideration to the people of this country, who over their lifetimes have built this country to what it is, rather than those who have done nothing towards it.
    beemay
    24th Apr 2014
    10:46am
    12.4 billon money they say they set aside to pay this so did the pensners but it was put in to general revenue
    we would like a new loung suit $2000 but cant afford it so we dont get it, we havent had a holiday for years dont go out to theatres cinemars or dinner its not one thing they are hitting us with its the Dr Chemist and pensions
    Stop paying out for prime minister premiers and other pollies who have RETIRED on a very nice pension only to carry on working on hugh Salaries
    Kristo
    24th Apr 2014
    10:57am
    Spot on beemay. And maybe we should insist that the pension that these noble types get by either being tossed out at the next election or moving on to some other lucrative job cannot be taken until they reach retirement age. Shortly to be 70.
    Surely that's fair.
    FrankC
    24th Apr 2014
    1:14pm
    Yeah, don't they have a superannuation , and a fat one I might suggest.!!!!!
    They don't need all this extra. Wow, when I retired was on $72K a year; I would love to have that now rather than the governments sacrificial $29K
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    7:37pm
    I would enjoy Your 29K Frank !!! It would be 8 more than I'm getting !..
    Judy in the hills
    24th Apr 2014
    11:29am
    I think the Liberal Party is desperate to try and balance the budget, but penalising genuine pensioners is NOT the way to do it. Why not look at the ultra rich, and those paid extremely highly with multiple perks attached and reduce some of their income by taxing them in proportion. We all know there are some non deserving who collect the pension somehow, but there are so many just getting highly overpaid for their efforts. Try checking out the "top dogs" first I think.
    biddi
    24th Apr 2014
    3:10pm
    Yes, I think about some pensioners that are living in very expensive homes and drawing the pension. And all the money sent in overseas aid for example
    Indonesia. And what do they think of us???
    However, in Sweden, everyone is entitled to the age pension regardless.
    Maybe the time will come when they will have to rethink their welfare programs.
    blessed
    24th Apr 2014
    4:57pm
    You know the super rich have paid their taxes. The would not get the pension if their assets are over a certain amount...this means their investments homes. the home they live in is except and it does not matter if it is worth a million dollars. its the income they are geneerating which decides if they can get the pension. You cant live on bricks and morter, you need cash. Now consider, If a person works hard pays probably much higher taxes than the average wage earner, contributes to a superfund so that they can enjoy an easier retirement, when they no longer are physically able to work, plans for their retirement and , acquires a nice house to live in. Should they then sell the house and live in a house that is less beautiful and comfortable just so that they can get a pension which they had contributed to all their working lifetime when they paid their possibly very high taxes. You now seem to be disadvantaging those people that plan and dont just wait for government handouts. There are a lot of people that rent a home all their lives and then get rental assistance, yet those people that struggle to pay their mortgages so that they will eventually own their homes outright, do not get any form of assistance to do this and now you say, that they are not entitled to an age pension. I think you outlook is very narrow and needs a little more expansion to understand where other people also come from. Maybe you have had a very hard life and had choices made for you that you had little control of. Blessings and give this topic some more thought please.
    biddi
    25th Apr 2014
    5:42pm
    Thankyou, Blessed. Sincerely, Biddi
    Wstaton
    27th Apr 2014
    12:10pm
    Hmm, I feel maybe those living in million dollar mansions should be looked at closely. If these mansions are worth that then they must have money stashed away to support it.

    But! we should also remember that in a lot of cases the main equity is not in the house it is in the land. I do not thing that those living in a modest house but on land worth over a million dollars that they may have lived for the last 50 years, working hard at modest jobs bring up kids should be penalized be penalized just because the land they may have bought at that time for a few thousand dollars has become the "in" place for the rich. Those who would not have touched the place 20 years before.
    Pass the Ductape
    24th Apr 2014
    11:38am
    The "age of entitlement is over" and "we all have to contribute".

    Great! Okay - I'll be waiting with great anticipation to see just what the politician's contribution is going to be in this!

    Yes - hit the most vulnerable....you lot always do. No votes to loose by hitting the pensioner is there? Most of them probably vote for labour anyway.

    You must think we're absolutely stupid Joe. Are you and your rat pack mates going to lead by example? I don't think so.

    In fact, I bet you're lining up to put forward a case for a pay rise right now! Either that or you're fixing up your super so you can get the best benefit payout before you're booted out!
    Wstaton
    27th Apr 2014
    12:15pm
    I guess they would be hit hard if all these pensioners hit them. They could become a significant force especially if they are growing in numbers as is reckoned. All they have is to get the will as they are becoming a greater percentage of the voting public.
    Pass the Ductape
    24th Apr 2014
    11:45am
    Should we have spent $12.4 billion on fighter jets to increase our defensive and offensive military power?

    Bloody complete waste of money and only done to please the yanks. What the hell is it with or politicians these days? Are tjey still living on the same planet as the rest of us?
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    7:52pm
    Yes Half a dozen Old Fokkers would be enough to protect Canberra !!
    Mamacrystal
    24th Apr 2014
    9:36pm
    Correction....do we NEED to protect the "political Canberra" ....not talking about hard working people living in the suburbs.
    Nightshade
    24th Apr 2014
    11:50am
    Joseph Benedict Hockey & his Team can expect a short term in office this time around.
    IN OTHER WORDS YOU WON'T BE THERE LONG ENOUGH TO GET MUCH DONE - SORRY MATE.
    Betty Blue
    24th Apr 2014
    11:52am
    I have always been an admirer of Joe Hockey but now I wonder if he is going to put ALL OF US OLDER CITIZENS AGAINST THE WALL AND SHOOT US IF HE DEEMS WE ARE COSTING MORE THAN OUR YEARS OF TAX PAYMENTS TO KEEP ALIVE?
    Nightshade
    24th Apr 2014
    12:16pm
    THEY ARE LOST IN THE WOODS & INDEED HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME NOW.
    THE MONEY SYSTEM GLOBALLY HAS BECOME SO COMPLICATED THAT NO ONE & I MEAN NO ONE UNDERSTANDS IT. PLUS IT DOES NOT WORK FOR BUSINESS & BUSINESS MUST CONTINUE TO MOVE OR WE ARE STUFFED -
    BUSINESS BEING DELIVERY OF GOOD & SERVICES GLOBALLY.

    This get rich quick dreaming & scheming & the Illuminati one world one ruler rubbish is just that.
    The rantings & ravings of an OPIUM ADDICTED wannabe's -
    (opium being the fashionable drug consumed by those entitled & chosen by the gods)
    They say that the pious Queen Victoria was a constant & continuous consumer of opium - off her face for most of her life mate - is what they say. But then they ran the opium trade & slavery then so what is not to understand.
    The Illuminati chosen by the gods are all old & almost dead thank God.
    Someone put a stake in their heart as they go in the coffin please !

    I doubt that there will be the monies for all these planes unless the gutless wonders overhaul the Australian Banking System & separate & distance Australian Banks from the U.K / U.S. / & NAZI GERMAN BANKS goons who are hell bent on a path of the destruction & take over of the entire global financial system.
    The CEC Party say Glass-Steagall - yes but sorry it is not enough.
    Patriot
    24th Apr 2014
    5:49pm
    Guys,

    Download the following booklet and see if anything "Rings Home"!

    https://ia600407.us.archive.org/4/items/TheMoneyTrick/the-money-trick-archive.pdf
    noddy45
    24th Apr 2014
    11:58am
    The "Age Of Entitlement " is over according to Joe Hockey but NOT for all the retired pollies, haw many millions are the Australian tax payer paying out to pollies who have retired & then gone into high payed jobs in the public & private sector, when a person leaves a job or retires from work they get there entitlements and that's it they do not get free travel, payed staff & free offices all at taxpayers expense & then whinge about having to sleep in there tailored suit in 1st class because there where no airline PJs for them
    Nightshade
    24th Apr 2014
    12:19pm
    The Age of Entitlement is just a catchphrase & nothing else.
    WHAT AGE OF ENTITLEMENT MAN .../?
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING TV GOBBLDY GOOK IS ALL.
    Katie
    24th Apr 2014
    12:01pm
    We are told the generous parental leave system is to ensure a return to work, to provide for pensions in the future.
    We didnt get paid parental leave when raising our kids, or childcare rebates, we did it ourselves as well as looking after our parents and paying off our home for future security. Now we lose out again in retirement, to support a non means tested "welfare for the rich" for parental leave.But the mining millionaries can rest easy they will be let off the hook soon....not very contributory for them, is it?
    MITZY
    24th Apr 2014
    12:15pm
    TONY AND JO are laughing all the way to the Parliamentary dinner table where the "fare" will be porky pies. First budgets by new governments are always the toughest and they are hoping the likes of everybody who casts a vote in 2017 will have forgotten all about the 2014 May budget by then. There are more elephants in our ranks than monkeys being fed peanuts, so "Smirking Joe" the only way forward for you is downhill.
    MITZY
    24th Apr 2014
    12:17pm
    Sorry Joe 2016 you have less time than you care to think about.
    FrankC
    24th Apr 2014
    1:20pm
    Love it Mitzy : "Porky pies " lol good one.
    Swinging voter
    24th Apr 2014
    12:17pm
    This isn't a government that encourages people to work hard, save a nest egg for the few years they have left after going on the pension. They are attacking everything they once stood for. Joe Hockey's bullying conduct is an affront to older people. How much does he get from his fat parliamentary pension when the seniors of this country get rid of him at the next election? That is if they last that long after the election promises that Hockey is threatening to break. Superannuation was supposed to be phasing out the pension but it seems these mongrels have a hatred for older people. As for the jets, yes we need to defend ourselves but how many Chinese jets would it take to blow our few out of the sky? They should be stopping all the major city Chinese-built and owned apartments that are only for sale to Chinese. That's the first war we need to fight. Get off the backs of older people Abbott and Hockey - we're coming after you big time.
    AlbertC
    24th Apr 2014
    12:17pm
    i thought he was a decent bloke also well looks like i was wrong as well he is a fat useless prick when he first got the treasures job you could he knew nothing about being treasurer so he would have pulled in a lot of people around picked their brains cos he aint got none but how much did they have to pay them to make out that it was him who worked out this budget most likely a good million dollars for him to pretend to be clever he still thinks 1+1 makes 11 well hockey stick 0+0 makes you nothing you n had better prepare yourself for the dole have a nice day you nitwit.!
    Patriot
    24th Apr 2014
    3:14pm
    Bl**dy Hell Albert,

    Don't go easy on him!!!
    he is a THIEF, LIER, HYPOCRITE, CRIMINAL.
    He is plainly an inconsiderate RUDE PIG!! like most of the rest of them!!!
    He just refused to read the Hansard where WE, THE PEOPLE HO BUILD THIS COUNTRY to what it was before the pollies wrecked it, that paid increased taxes when the Age pension was introduced.
    This was for when we turned 65 so that there would be the finances to pay for the exercise!
    Give us all those extra contributions back!
    Joe, even when he make the current statements he is lying because he knows FULL WELL that we will not be in surplus in another 10 years.

    The bankers are loaning money to the Government at interest and this is a DEBT SPIRAL that we will never get out of until we do the same as Romania, Iceland and a lot of countries in south America. SACK THE BANKERS!!!
    Mindy
    24th Apr 2014
    12:26pm
    You cannot compare Defence spending to other areas. If we accept that Australia needs the ADF, we should also accept there are many people in there doing the best they can for Australia in evaluating the regional situation and the equipment needed to fulfil Govt directions. Remember that it was not the ADF who decided to go into the recent wars; they were following the directions of the Govt of the day.

    If a govt chooses to send its people into harm's way, they have a responsibility to provide the equipment which gives them the best chance of coming home alive.
    Penqueen1949
    24th Apr 2014
    12:48pm
    Mindy I totally agree with you on all accounts.......
    Tom Tank
    24th Apr 2014
    1:05pm
    Why is it that Defence spending should be isolated from consideration when the government states that things are soo bad economically.
    Defence services always want the most expensive toys to play with. John Howard bought second hand Abram tanks from the U.S. at some exorbitant price. That type of tank was in the process of being scrapped by other Nations, including the U.K. because it was no longer suitable for future requirements. Why did we pay all that money for something out-of-date.
    This is typical of right wing pollies who all want to keep defence forces, and police forces, on-side. What are they frightened of?
    If we are so hard up we simply cannot afford to buy more of these aircraft at this stage, especially when so many other countries are shying away from their commitment to purchase them.
    Yes we should look after the ADF personnel and we should be spending more on their health and wellbeing the same as we should be spending on the health and wellbeing of all Australians. Buying these horrendously expensive aircraft will only minimise that spending.
    jackeroo
    26th Apr 2014
    5:11pm
    I was in the Navy in 1962 where the Government of the day sent me and 6 others into "harms way", namely working with Asbestos. they provided NO safety gear, or even masks. They knew full well that this would kill us but happily sent us in to do a job that the Dockyard workers refused to do. To my knowledge I am the last of the band of 7 alive, but not for much longer.
    Muffy's Mum
    24th Apr 2014
    12:40pm
    What a bunch of absolute tossers most politicians are. No-one in their right mind, with a conscience, would think the following are fair & equitable (unless they were one of the people to benefit from them) ...

    Making exorbitant Maternity Leave payments to women earning $3,000 a week

    Allowing politicians to access their superannuation at whatever age they leave parliament (and not at the same age as most of the population can get their superannuation or Aged Pension)

    Spending enormous amounts of money on foreign aid, when Pensioners, Public Health & Housing, and Unemployment issues are crying out for help

    When said politicians show that they are prepared to tighten THEIR belts, get THEIR snouts out of the trough, and "walk the walk, not just talk the talk", then, and only then, is there the remotest possibility that they will be taken seriously. While they continue to throw money at the wealthy, themselves, foreign countries, and a myriad of non-essential "causes & projects", those who NEED help the most will continue to go without.

    "Age of Entitlement"? ... To those people who may be "entitled" to certain benefits under the relevant rules & regulations, but they're wealthy enough not to "need" the benefits, grow a social conscience and say that you're happy for the benefits to go to people in Australia who "need" them more than you do.
    Not Amused
    24th Apr 2014
    1:00pm
    I think Hockey misread the public's understanding of and discontent with the "entitlement mentality" and he's gone totally rabid.
    Most of us were referring to illegal Centrelink Seekers, forcing their way in here then languishing on taxpayer money for donkey's years. Most of us were referring to the bloke next door, who never worked and never will, who occupies a free nursing home bed beside someone who had to pay an accommodation fee, just because she as a widow worked and paid off her home. Most of us were referring to entitlement mentality politicians who get their pensions when they are chucked out for incompetence such as Gillard and recently the richest man in parliament, Kevin Rudd. I think we were telling the Liberals that the entitlement mentality was foreign aid commandeered by despots to buy guns to kill their own people. Entitlement mentality of the United Nations who get routine funds from countries that stupidly signed on to their international policies that left us open to border abuse.
    They got the meaning of entitlement mentality very, very wrong. People who go without to pay off their houses have the very opposite of entitlement mentalities. People who get a full or part pension for a few years and who contributed to this nation all their lives are suddenly being treated like toilet rolls. I for one will hope for a double dissolution if they break ONE promise, because they will break the record for the fastest dismissal in Australian history.
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    7:49pm
    Wait till He turns up to hand down the Budget wearing a Leopard skin hat !!!
    Nightshade
    24th Apr 2014
    12:42pm
    THERE IS A SCENE FROM THE MOVIE THE MOVIE TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD WHICH CLEARLY DESCRIBES THE GLOBAL SITUATION & WHAT MUST BE DONE.

    youtube
    TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD -
    ATTICUS SHOOTS A MAD DOG
    The mad dog - is the global banking sector & most politicians on this planet.
    Atticus - is global business.

    HAVE A LOOK & SEE WHAT I MEAN.
    Ming
    24th Apr 2014
    2:10pm
    It is disappointing to observe your publication joining force with the ABC & Fairfax to promote a scare campaign. A more balanced approach would do justice to the circumstances in which we have confronting us. Just let us all hold fire until we see the budget, then if the occasion warrants, we can release our condemnation if it is appropriate.
    DC
    24th Apr 2014
    2:30pm
    Thank God there is at least one person who can differentiate the reality from the Hog-wash peddled here by so many, including the originator!!
    Patriot
    24th Apr 2014
    5:40pm
    Guys,

    Don't move your arms and you will NOT feel the shackles that are there already.
    It will also allow to put more on at an easy pace.

    Just "GO BACK TO SLEEP".
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    7:59pm
    "Another portion of Pheasants Breast Please Waiter !"
    Wstaton
    27th Apr 2014
    12:30pm
    Dead right the word "Justice" where is the justice of hitting the disadvantaged but not getting down and and hitting all those who are who are currently in the age of entitlement. All the free gifts to those already earning enough to feed their own entitlements but work to cream as much off the taxpayers as they can. PPL for example, salting off into safe havens, Multinationals moving profit oversees and showing a loss in Australia while they rake in billions in revenue.

    And don't think I disagree with having the pensions looked at. I am 73 and still working. There are a lot of people able to work to a later age but there are many who cannot because of the nature of their work. Retain they say, tell that to our great premier in Victoria who has just about crucified the TAFE system here. Say that to he employers who will not take on older people, say that to the top and bottom age groups where the bottom is told we need people with experience when they ignore those with experience because they are to old. Also say that to Abbott who to me is not really creating an environment to create jobs (Although he reckons he is)
    seniorsid
    24th Apr 2014
    2:21pm
    In 1964 I installed the Seacat missiles in the HMAS Parramatta at Garden Island, NSW, there were spaces left in the instrument room for items that had been obsolete for five years, all this paid for by the tax payer.
    By the time these planes are delivered, not to mention the cost over run, they will be superseded, Tony, on TV looked like a small boy in a toy shop, sitting in an aircraft, possibly looking for the hand brake.
    Joe, well when he was a Shadow Minister in 2003, he held the portfolio of Health and Aged, what is the next step, compulsory euthanasia at the age of 70, think of all the money he could save then.
    Super the savior, well I was self employed for most of my life, in a cut throat market, brought on by cheap imports with Government blessings. Even if I had worked for someone, on an average wage of $48,000 a year,
    that would give me 14 years of service before I turned 65, I would, with a 3.3% interest, give me the grand total of $65,000 (approx), if I live to 80, that works out at $4,333 per year, my rent alone is $15,600 per year!
    We are over governed, so why not reduce these numbers and cut your pension, Joe &Co, pro rata, and do really think we would believe that you a going to look at tax concessions before the next election!
    seniorsid
    24th Apr 2014
    2:29pm
    Sorry, jimjon, I think you mean million not billion,the world population is only 7 billion.
    Tomaso
    24th Apr 2014
    2:49pm
    They are all ridiculously well paid/supers etc., idiots, and do not give a hoot about any of us, as long as they are catered for, and now we are all going to pay for their incompetency, no matter who is in power, in the end people don't forget the lies either, especially at the next election.
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    8:05pm
    Yes Have another Porky Pie and settle down You Lot !!
    maxchugg
    24th Apr 2014
    2:59pm
    Round and round the big wheel goes. Labor has a stint in office and empties the piggy bank. In come the Liberals and try to fill the piggy up again in one term of office.
    They succeed, but middle Australia ends up hating them and tossing them out next election just as they have achieved their objective.
    In comes Labor again, the piggy bank is drained, so back go the Libs who didn't learn from last time, so once again a short term of office before Labor comes back into power with another piggy bank full of money to spend.
    Tomaso
    24th Apr 2014
    3:04pm
    Maxchugg, I totally concur, the idiots are spending billions on out-dated useless jets, again at our expense , when will they ever learn, get our house in order first, then think about the rest/others after.
    Not Amused
    24th Apr 2014
    4:26pm
    You would think that if the Liberals wanted to stay in power and guide our country in a better direction than Labor and their union cronies did, they would be far more courteous, consult the people and take their suggestions to the next election. What is occurring with their kite-flying and offensive attitude towards older people is guaranteeing the wreck and repair round-about continues.
    Luchar
    24th Apr 2014
    5:43pm
    One of the major promises Abbott and Hockey made to the Australian people at the last election was to fix up the mess left by the previous government which went on a spending spree with money it didn't have. Other promises taken to the last election have not been implemented as the Left has retained control of the Senate.

    I am going to be interested to read the comments on this site after the budget is brought down and all the wingers find that their pensions have not been touched. Unfortunately after six years of Labor we have become so accustomed to promises being broken that many on this site simply believe the scare campaign currently being put out by Shorten, Macklin, et al.
    Wstaton
    27th Apr 2014
    12:52pm
    To true Luchar,

    They made that promise but they also made many others that they don't appear to be keeping.
    policeman
    24th Apr 2014
    3:05pm
    Can anyone prove to me these planes are worthy of buying ..Read several other countries had prior commitments to purchase these planes after much testing by the manufactures -
    they turned our to be a disaster contracts were cancelled, the company had to modify at a huge expense which we are now paying for...How reliable are they and why didnt the Government shop around like other countries we didn't get a cheap deal we are paying dearly for the companies huge bungle..
    Tomaso
    24th Apr 2014
    3:09pm
    Policeman, I pity the younger generations, as they will be the ones who will be paying for it all too.
    student
    24th Apr 2014
    3:58pm
    IF the rumours are right and those who need looking after will loose part of their entitlements, I suppose the money the Gov. saves ($6 Dr fee etc) will help buy these boys toys. I think instead of buying 58 fighter jets for 58 elite airforce pilots, 58 pensioners should be selected to play with the boys toys. Let ALL pensioners play with them!!! :)
    Jurassicgeek
    24th Apr 2014
    3:14pm
    yep Skippy...currently around 4billion a year in aid to countries run by corrupt regimes..we need to stop this. It is a farce as very little of the aid money is actually used for the purpose intended..Joe doesnt have to worry about his pension though so he wants us all to work till we drop..So I guess the solution(for him and Abbott) would be as soon as our working life is finished we just go out and top ourselves....no more pensions...no more worries...
    judderbar
    24th Apr 2014
    3:51pm
    It has not lost mine - It never had it in the first place but it has certainly confirmed to me that it's priority is not with the poor & needy! People sharing millionaire incomes can still be given $75000 for having a baby while pensioners can pay for it!
    HOLA
    24th Apr 2014
    4:16pm
    What a total waste of money. Knowing the way technology is advancing, those poor airline pilots won't have time to race to the planes if we are to be invaded, because the other side will only have to press a button and Vavoom!! we are shot in the abyss.
    blessed
    24th Apr 2014
    4:44pm
    This is once again an example of what the Liberal Party is fair. Only attack the vulnerable. The over sixty year olds have paid their taxes, worked hard for the improvement of this country and now when they are not as able and virtually unemployable because of the social attitude to the aged, the government wants to say thank you by kicking them in the "guts" because they are vulnerable and cannot easily fight back. It costs money to fight legally. ALSO WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY ON FIGHTER JETS. WHO ARE WE PROTECTING US FROM....IF A WAR BREAKS OUT THERE WILL BE NO WHERE TO HIDE. THE NUCLEAR POWER THAT A LOT OF COUNTRIES HAVE WILL BE EMPLOYED AND EVERYONE WILL DIE. NO AMOUNT OF NEW JET AIRPLANES WILL HELP. WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY. SPENDING MONEY ON COMMUNICATION, LEARNING TO LISTEN AND BE EMPATHETIC WOULD BE BETTER MONEY SPENT AND WOULD GIVE A BETTER RESULT FOR PEACE. WAR DOES NOT ACHIEVE ANYTHING. LOOK AT THE JAPANESE....WE FOUGHT THEM IN THE 2ND WORLD WAR BECAUSE WE WE FRIGHTENED THAT THEY WOULD TAKE OVER THIS COUNTRY TO OUR DETRIMENT AND NOW WE ARE FRIENDS, WE ENJOY JAPANESE FOOD, THE CONTRIBUTE THE THE AUSTRALIAN ECONOMY? LOOK ALSO AT THE CRIMEAN WAR. ENGLAND AND FRANCE AND SARDINIA FOUGHT THE RUSSIANS TO PREVENT THEM FROM OWNING CRIMEA, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MEN WERE KILLED....WHAT FOR.....170 YEARS LATER...THEY WALK IN AND JUST TAKE IT AND NOW IT IS THERES...AND THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE UKRAINE AS WELL. IF THERE IS A WAR...IT WILL NOT ACHIEVE ANYTHING EITHER. SO WHY SPEND MORE MONEY ON ARTICLES OF WAR. IF THE GOVERNMENT "FOR THE BOYS"....MUST CUT OUR ESSENTIAL SERVICES TOTHE NEEDY, THEN AT LEAST SPEND IT IN THE AREAS THAT NEED IT THE MOST.....TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO COMMUNICATE AND LISTEN RATHER THAN WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION. the liberal party is a party made up of a lot of misguided egotistical weak men and women who do not know how to think and act responsibly.
    Mitch
    24th Apr 2014
    5:05pm
    Lets hit hard, those who have worked and fought for this country and worked hard and paid taxes all their lives, why not start on the disabled while your at it. Why should they get handouts.?????

    Why should the big businessess and incrediably rich have to share any of their money, they worked hard ripping people off and underpaying their staff.

    Why should the politicians take pay cuts, they work hard, who else can claim incredible expenses and constantly misuse funds. We the incredibly stupid people of this country are their employers and we can sack them, we just have to wake up.

    Tony Abbott will have us at war again and who will he sell us out to, who is the highest bidder America, China, Russia. Live is about to get very difficult but don't for heavens sake ever think that the government care in any way shape or form. God Bless us, they will get richer, we will get poorer and the pollies will laugh all the way into their ever overpaid retirements.
    Bob
    24th Apr 2014
    5:30pm
    12.4 Billion on suspect aircraft is a lot to pay to defend us against a mythical enemy. Unless there is something we all do not know.Indonesia ? China ? In the last forty years Australia has spent a fortune on military aircraft and not one shot fired in anger from any of them.As far as I can remember anyway. We pay income tax, GST, medicare and and the government wants user pay as well. Fat lot of use the GST is. With CEO's picking up millions per year, up to $100,000 per week or more,( Coles CEO ) its about time we had a maximum salary as well as a minimum wage. These guys are not Einsteins. They pay themselves a bonus even when they sent their companies down the shute. CEO's ridiculous salaries will flow on into the pay of bureaucrats and politicians before long.
    maxchugg
    24th Apr 2014
    5:42pm
    Joe keeps telling us that the age of entitlement is over. We only just get used to having the retirement age raised from 65 to 67 and up it goes again to 70.
    Ok, let the politicians observe the same rules. When they retire, voluntarily or otherwise, let them wait until they are 70 before they can access any retirement benefits. And let those benefits be calculated on the basis of the amount they contributed to their retirement plans exactly the same way retirement benefits for everyone else are calculated.
    Also, no more free air travel and other perks after ceasing to be a member of parliament. No office staff for retired Prime Ministers either. If we are going to put an end to entitlement, let's do the job properly!
    aly_rob60
    25th Apr 2014
    3:05pm
    Right on, maxchugg! As well as making the pollies wait for their money, how about they only get what the rest of us are entitled to AND if they have made any poor decisions regarding Government spending, THEY HAVE THAT AMOUNT DEDUCTED FROM THEIR WAGES!!! In other words, make them ACCOUNTABLE.
    Bob
    24th Apr 2014
    5:50pm
    I would like to say that Joe Hockey claims people are living longer these days and therefore can work longer. Well they may be alive a few years longer but that does not mean they are fit and well .It does not mean they can work longer. Particularly those that have physically demanding jobs. People are being kept alive longer. Transfusions, drugs, therapies of all kinds add years to peoples lives but they are not fit for work.I worked until I was seventy and it was hard especially the last three years.People in stand up, walk about , lift and carry, push shove dig and haul jobs will find it very hard to carry on until seventy.
    Golden Oldie
    24th Apr 2014
    6:17pm
    I worked full time until I was 63, the last 3 years i was totally exhausted. On top of the normal working hours with a bit of overtime plus catching public transport to get me to work in the city I was spending 12+ hours a day. Leave home at 7am, get home at 7pm or later, cook dinner, wash up, tidy house etc., and I had an office job. It is not only physical work that makes you tired. Travelling in from the outer suburbs on trains, trams, buses can also be tiring, we might live longer, but this does not mean we have the stamina to work in a demanding environment till age 70.
    Maxzee
    24th Apr 2014
    5:54pm
    We worked hard to own our home,both worked, hard, no holidays, children to put through school, made ends meet, believing that we would at least have a roof over our heads in our latter years,and when we toddle off in to the sunset the kids will have something to help them in turn,now it seems we will all be discriminated against for helping ourselves, the government doesn't give home owners rent assistance I have just had to pay thousands for a much needed new carport, and long needed repairs, it seems so unfair for people to say that we should have our homes classified as assets, just by providing ourselves with a home we have helped the government, this is so wrong, when you know that politicians can draw their pensions on leaving parliament, this should be stopped and paid the same as the working people of Australian are allowed to access their super, We are too over governed.
    When people start work and pay super all their working life then they may well be able to finance their old age. until then, make savings on so many things, i read about aid to countries where the money seems to spent on weapons and lifestyles of despots, charity should start at home, you can't feed the whole street when your family is hungry, and new fighter planes! I think this will only benefit the country who makes them? we will need more than planes if we end up at war again, God forbid. I despair for all mankind, People have to have hope and things to aim for in life, I have never heard so much talk talk talk, Mr Hockey, be fair and look after those who are disadvantaged, the old and sick, when we are sure they are OK, then you can give our money in aid. Mining is using Australian assets, so when are you going to make sure that when those assets are finished, the peoples of this country will be Ok ? when are we going to stop private people raping this country of the commonwealth? times are changing, people like the Hancocks have had more than their fair share, maybe time their leases should be up? We have bad management here for a long time, time to look closely at who gets your vote, when all Pollies can work together for the good of all, maybe we will get some where.There must be a better way.
    Golden Oldie
    24th Apr 2014
    6:04pm
    Are we again heading for a recession we have to have? When I studied macroeconomics I learned that you could not save yourself out of a recession. By saving, or not spending you created an ever increasing depression by cutting demand for goods and services, increasing unemployment, less tax paid by workers, higher centrelink payments for unemployed, business going broke. Microeconomics solutions of saving for a rainy day do not work on a macro scale.
    Did we not learn the lessons from the F111 purchase? These aeroplanes were supposed to be the latest and greatest. The only thing they could not do was stay up in the air. They were good for falling out of the sky. These new planes seem to have the same problems. Why on earth are we even considering buying these at exhorbitant prices when they are not even proven to be safe.
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    8:59pm
    Good Grief not more Lead Balloons ??
    Mindy
    24th Apr 2014
    7:41pm
    Dear Bob & Golden Oldie,
    A lack of common sense and objectivity seems to come with old age.

    4 successive Governments chose the JSF, with the benefit of classified briefings that you have obviously not received.

    Why do you assume that they, and the highly qualified project team, have wasted taxpayer money? Perhaps they know something that we do not and are doing what Public Servants and the Govt are supposed to do - act in our best interests.
    devuman
    25th Apr 2014
    6:49am
    Well said, Mindy. The majority of folk posting comments are re-acting like lemmings without knowing the full picture. Even Labor supports the purchase and they would be the first to complain if it was not justified.
    Just wait until China starts making serious expansionary moves within the medium term...
    jackeroo
    24th Apr 2014
    7:47pm
    Joe's comment "nothings free" didn't mention the obscenely high super pension payouts pollie's get just for sticking up their hand when "The Leader" says to. We can train monkey's to do do this and save billions of dollars,
    particolor
    24th Apr 2014
    9:02pm
    And the moral of this story is.. Peanuts are Not Cheap !!
    Luchar
    24th Apr 2014
    10:51pm
    Seems to me that "jackeroo", like the overwhelming majority of contribitors to this topic, will not be happy until we have a group of politicians prepared to work for average weekly wages, live in public housing, travel to work on public transport and pay their own way wherever they go to represent us.

    Well might Hockey remind us that "the age of entitlement is dead" but the age of envy is alive and well and residing in the minds of many who contribute to these pages.
    jackeroo
    25th Apr 2014
    7:56am
    At one time I used to drive them, and got to know their work ethics very well! I also learned that the only difference between them was the name of the Party they represented, otherwise they were interchangeable. By the way, I made no comment on what they earn-only the FREE Taxpayer funded Superannuation.
    HOLA
    25th Apr 2014
    9:31am
    There seems to be quite a few monkeys running the Government at present. As the old saying goes, "If you hang out with monkeys long enough, you end up with a bunch of NUTS".
    jimjon
    24th Apr 2014
    9:28pm
    Sorry senior sid, you are correct, but even 220 mIllion is quite a large neighbour to antagonise !
    aly_rob60
    25th Apr 2014
    3:00pm
    YES, there is imbalance in the current tax system........
    People who have lived and worked here ALL THEIR lives are paying the same amount of taxes that people who have lived here only a few years!!!!
    Where is the fairness in that, Joe?
    It's time the Government, whether they be Liberal or Labor, wake up to themselves and place a lot more restrictions on who they let into the country and they need to make these people pay a premium for all the infrastructure that they want to use, THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PAIR FOR.
    The wealthy immigrants have been allowed to buy businesses here, simply to stay in the country. All they do is employ their own people (I have heard a reference recently that I local business was a "visa shop".
    The wealthy immigrants have also been allowed to buy property here, whether they plan to live in it or not, which has made real estate unaffordable for most Australians, as the astronomical prices the immigrants are paying for housing has made the market escalate.
    I can't buy a house in China, so why can they buy one here?
    aly_rob60
    25th Apr 2014
    3:00pm
    YES, there is imbalance in the current tax system........
    People who have lived and worked here ALL THEIR lives are paying the same amount of taxes that people who have lived here only a few years!!!!
    Where is the fairness in that, Joe?
    It's time the Government, whether they be Liberal or Labor, wake up to themselves and place a lot more restrictions on who they let into the country and they need to make these people pay a premium for all the infrastructure that they want to use, THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PAIR FOR.
    The wealthy immigrants have been allowed to buy businesses here, simply to stay in the country. All they do is employ their own people (I have heard a reference recently that I local business was a "visa shop".
    The wealthy immigrants have also been allowed to buy property here, whether they plan to live in it or not, which has made real estate unaffordable for most Australians, as the astronomical prices the immigrants are paying for housing has made the market escalate.
    I can't buy a house in China, so why can they buy one here?
    Bobeye
    25th Apr 2014
    3:55pm
    Why buy an aircraft that can be out performed by many others? Keeping the USA happy maybe. We sorted out the problems of the Mirage, F-111 and the F-18 and they did and will fly beyond thier normal life.
    As for Tony and Joe what do they care about low income earners? With a Gold Plated pension scheme paid for by the workers.
    Good bye LNP at the next election, I am only voting for an independent that is open and non aligned to any of the big parties.
    Fred
    25th Apr 2014
    3:56pm
    Why not buy a few nuclear missiles instead. Who would attack us then?
    Spend money on the navy instead. But not submarines!
    jackeroo
    29th Apr 2014
    5:46pm
    Look a all the aid we would GET instead giving. Countries with THE BOMB seem to get preferential treatment.I say, get the bomb.
    carmencita
    25th Apr 2014
    5:45pm
    While Hockey keeps spinning 'we all have to contribute' , it is only the voting public he wanted to contribute. He has not included themselves (MPs) and others in the upper echelon of public service. Why should they be exempt? They are spending tax payer's money as though they are properly entitled to spend it. Their allowances are exorbitant. Spending billions on fighter planes should not be a priority when essential services and benefits are being slashed supposed to be to get the budget back in black. Is there an under the table agreement involved between Australia and the US ? It just doesn't add up.
    Wstaton
    27th Apr 2014
    1:02pm
    Reminds you of big business. Screw the workers and minions, Give CEO's and upper management big pay rises and perks when they do and stuff the rest.
    Mindy
    29th Apr 2014
    9:03pm
    What is an essential service? If it is not paid for, it is simply a burden on our children in the form of debt. This whole blog consists of a bunch of whingers who won't get off their fat arses to pay for their own upkeep .
    Mindy
    29th Apr 2014
    9:03pm
    What is an essential service? If it is not paid for, it is simply a burden on our children in the form of debt. This whole blog consists of a bunch of whingers who won't get off their fat arses to pay for their own upkeep .
    BrianP
    26th Apr 2014
    12:28pm
    Request from Brian Parkes, Australian Voice Party.
    To everyone posting on this page. Help us DO SOMETHING about this mess. The Liberal Government have just offended nearly half the population of Australia. That's how many are of Seniors' age. Surely it's time to use People Power to put things right?

    Australian Voice is a new grass-roots Peoples' Party, formed by everyday Australians right across our country who have had enough. We are NOT influenced by big business, unions or any other self interest group. We are providing a means for everyone to join together to show what a political party formed by people power can do.

    So, tell your friends, facebook or whatever. Then go to our website (the editor will not let us print it here - but just type our name on your web search). Then read for yourself and JOIN US by completing the online web form. You can email me at brian.parkes@australianvoice.org
    seniorsid
    30th Apr 2014
    1:43pm
    At last someone is doing something about the way the Governments of this great country is being run. The blatant misuse of tax payers money, not only to pay themselves an undeclared pension as well as exorbitant salaries, but to spend billions on aircraft from the US. that like the HMAS Melbourne, may never fire a shot in anger, but managed to sink two friendly vessels at a loss of over 150 lives.
    Mr Abbott states that all of us must tighten our belts, all those outside of parliament that is. I have witnessed first hand the wastage and blunders of the Governments of the day, mainly on the marine side.
    I am totally behind you Brian, and I feel all Australians whether they are pensioners or not should rally to support the Australian Voice Party, as I see that the Government is using this budget as the thin end of the wedge.
    Now is the time to act, not when it is too late!
    phaxer
    28th Apr 2014
    4:38am
    Why on earth are we buying this hardware? Are we under threat by a foreign country? If so who? We are controlled by the most incompetent members of Parliament since the implementation of Federation and I mean both sides of Parliament. This aircraft purchase is akin to roof bats and school auditoriums courtesy of Labor. Wake up Liberals because we all require a sustainable life. I love a statement made by Bill Shorten that he struggles on $700+ a day. Pollies don't give a crap about us in need. So if the budget is totally deficient regarding our financial affairs .I care little.
    macca
    28th Apr 2014
    7:14pm
    Gee! the govt found 12.4 BILLION in their cunning kick.so lets buy some planes. Imagine what we could do if we spent it on the health system or the pensioner dental system,
    I,m sure I heard Abbott during the election campaign tell us all there would be no surprises if elected but there seems to a new surprise every day & there not nice ones. Is there any politician out there not full of bull---t!!
    Alexia_x
    30th Apr 2014
    2:00pm
    Before that inflated ego man, Abbot, spends money on such amounts on defence we don't need, he should spend time studying the needs of older australians that have worked and paid for him to become the sad figure that he is today and use some of that money in "defending" the rights of older australians who need it more. Clean your backyard before you look elsewhere.
    And perhaps at the same time he could have a revision of politician's salaries and benefits and dedicate more of the enormous capital, used in refurbishing their offices, for better things, such as a proper medicare program and a higher pension for people that made it possible for this nation to be a better country.
    Nice thanks he gives to the workers and builders of Australia!
    And the inflated balloon treasurer is a despicable figure that should be collecting rubbish bins early in the morning and lose weight that way as well as trying to live on a small salary and no perks.
    I am so sick of them all! How could anyone vote this people in?
    Alexia_x
    30th Apr 2014
    2:00pm
    Before that inflated ego man, Abbot, spends money on such amounts on defence we don't need, he should spend time studying the needs of older australians that have worked and paid for him to become the sad figure that he is today and use some of that money in "defending" the rights of older australians who need it more. Clean your backyard before you look elsewhere.
    And perhaps at the same time he could have a revision of politician's salaries and benefits and dedicate more of the enormous capital, used in refurbishing their offices, for better things, such as a proper medicare program and a higher pension for people that made it possible for this nation to be a better country.
    Nice thanks he gives to the workers and builders of Australia!
    And the inflated balloon treasurer is a despicable figure that should be collecting rubbish bins early in the morning and lose weight that way as well as trying to live on a small salary and no perks.
    I am so sick of them all! How could anyone vote this people in?
    jimjon
    9th May 2014
    10:46pm
    For years we got insulting and derogatory remarks about Julia (ar) because she decided to change ONE piece of her policy.
    Now we have PHONY TONY promising to break many of his pre-election promises. Now, WHO is the biggest lair ?
    jackeroo
    12th May 2014
    3:05pm
    Everybody MUST remember tha most politicians are Lawyers by profession. I have been on Jury service 4 times and have heard he legal professionals lie so blatantly that I cringed. Julia Gillard said (before politics) hat she understood the problems the gays faced as she herself is in a lesbian relationship, Whilst living with the bankrupt hairdresser, Lying is in the blood for them.