Bill’s Budget reply

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Bill Shorten has given his response to Joe Hockey’s 2015/16 Budget, with education, small business, infrastructure and science ranking as his cornerstones for building a secure future for Australia. 

Despite claiming that Tuesday’s budget “is nothing but a cosmetic job by a very desperate make-up artist”, Bill Shorten did offer bipartisan support to the government. In a move which is perhaps unlikely to come to pass, Bill Shorten has pledged to work with the Abbott government to reduce the company tax rate for small business to 25 per cent, 3.5 per cent lower than that proposed by Joe Hockey on Tuesday.  As well as small business, Mr Shorten also offered his support on the issues of national security and relief for farmers affected by drought.

With a gallery filled with supporters offering well-timed applause, Mr Shorten was clearly proud of his response. If you missed his response, you can watch it here.

Or perhaps if you prefer, you can read the transcript at ALP.org.au

Was Mr Shorten’s response a good one? Or was he merely grandstanding? Do you agree with the measures he has pledged to support? Or will this Budget fail as last year’s did?

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Written by Debbie McTaggart

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    What a ridiculous reply by a seriously incompetent labor leader who just has a personal ambition to become PM. His whole career as a social minded upper crust was based on that victorian idea of “doing something for the poor”. Don’t we know his upbringing? Not exactly a smart move hiring a rent a crowd in the gallery.

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      Emps same crowd that watched Joe Hockey’s speech, only not as much applause for Joe was there on his night, by the way your political bias is showing.

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      Misty, you are easily fooled. Bill Shorten takes his rent a crowd with him on every door stop and sets up Dorothy Dixers all the time!
      He doesn’t even realise that it makes him look even more untrustworthy ha ha ha ha! That’s the frightening part about it.
      I watched Leigh Sales grill him last night and she appeared to be getting very annoyed that he wouldn’t answer the simplest of questions even though she persisted in rearranging the question so he could better understand it.
      I’m sorry to be so critical but I want a decent opposition.

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      Same old Frank showing his political bias again, what is the matter with you Liberal Coalition people?, no vision for the future at all just same old same old ideas all the time, rob from the poor just don’t touch the rich.

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      Emps…well said ..Remember the Beaconsfield mine collapse with Bull Short-on morals ….soaking up the TV screen every night with saccharin platitudes to his wife and children for supporting him…. Yes the same wife he abandoned only months later as he was having an affair with the Gov General’s daughter.
      Oh! and the deputy leader of the ALP Tanya Plibersek reminding us all in Parliament recently that convicted heroin drug traffickers are pardonable because she married one…Michael Couttss-Trotter sentenced to 9 years jail and served only two.
      Labor has as much self-control as a fat boy with the keys to the Tim Tam cupboard.

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      Misty …Labor with a vision?…now there is an oxymoron.

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      And what was all that cheering from the public gallery?? Just missing the brass big band and red flag wavers. We haven’t seen that level of excitement since Mayweather and Paquiao made their way to the ring.

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      Sum1 I have not stopped laughing at the above comment you have made my weekend I will show it to some of the lefties I know .

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      All the Frank avatars crowing the normal anti Labor Vile venom. When does it ever change.

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    This bloke has no idea how is he going to pay for all this and don”t forget he will need many more billions to bring in his boats and all the other stupid ideas he has.

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      robbo, I agree. I often wondered why voters were fooled by this empty rhetoric until I realised that 1 million Australians do not speak or understand English.

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      Yes he has Robbo, make the Supperanuation Co Payments more equitable and that 50 Billion saved would wipe out the deficit in one year, any way he doesn’t have to come up with any details yet does he or am I mistaken?, is there an election in the next couple of weeks that I haven’t heard of?, Coalition did not put their costings out there until a few days before the last election so why is it any different this time?.

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      Misty some of you lefty nutters are complaining that you have too much super and cant get a full pension? I’m missing something.

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      Hey Misty how many Billions would we save if we cut out the ridiculous payments to the pensioner Bludgers and put them on food stamps instead.

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      Yes Frank some brain cells( you left yourself open to that one Frank ).

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      HA HA HA!!! You got me on that one Misty. I didn’t even see it coming. 🙂

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      Glad to see you still have a sense of humour Frank, there is hope for you yet.

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      Sort of agree with you Robb. Maybe take back the annual $8.5 billion which the current business owned government is paying to the fossil fuel industry.

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      mick, what you are saying is households should pay in higher costs. The ideology of is flawed. Australia needs to realistically benchmark with the rest of the world.

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      You have little or no credibility Frank. As you keep printing the official government propaganda you fail to realize that some Australians travel overseas and see how poorly our nation is managed by both sides of politics.
      If you are going to talk about Australians paying higher costs then please get on a plane as we are paying significantly higher prices, but not because of left wing policies as you consistently claim. The reality is voters have been sold out. We pay high power prices for no other reason other than the large sums of OUR money being shoveled into the bank accounts of the fossil fuel industry. I am currently in Germany where electricity costs around 20 cents per kw. Australia 50 cents. This is why I am so upset that this scumbag government has torpedoed clean energy, which was working and delivering cheap clean energy. But it does not stop there. The cost of living is much less and Australians would be horrified at how little some everyday household products cost overseas. The rip off in Oz is allowed by both sides of politics. That is why I consistently attack our current system of government,. It has effectively been taken over by business interests…..and you are one of the players who campaign for no change. It is wrong.

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      Clean energy delivering cheap, clean energy. You are delusional mick.

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      Dirty coal speaking. Was working in Queensland. That is why it had to go.
      Denail!!

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      mick, you cannot compare Australia’s economy with that of Germany’s. For a start Germany has one of the lowest minimum wages at $8.95 while here it is the highest in the world. How do you suppose German prices would rank if they had Australia’s wages costs? The wages go up the prices follow. It’s that simple.

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      Whilst you have a valid point prices are just the beginning. Also, one has to take account of taxation…..including extremely high indirect taxes on things like alcohol and cars.
      The real issue is the mismanagement of the nation which is beginning to come back to haunt us. As it gets worse the scapegoat will be average Australians and what they earn.
      There of course high wage countries which are still cheap.

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      What? Are you having a moment of honesty mick? Are you now saying taxation drives up prices?

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      When you tax like there is no tomorrow people have to earn more to survive. Not rocket science.
      Are you of the opinion that working Australians should earn $8 an hour, pay double the amount for their alcohol and cars, pay council rates there times as much as most first world countries, pay double the price for fuel than Americans pay and a heck of a lot more tax?
      You have to get a bit real Frank. We might have high labour costs but it is much more complicated than that.

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      So you now realise that an extra tax such as a carbon tax will drive up the cost of living and will do not much else. That’s a start mick.

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      I’m pleased you mentioned the high cost of cars mick. Have you noticed that the price of cars has dropped since the government stopped giving $billions of our taxes to the big car makers? The taxpayer was giving to the car manufacturers who in turn were giving to the unions and the employees. Which apparently justified the high cost of labour in these plants and drove up the price of a very ordinary car. Finally we have a government with the courage to say stop. Enough is enough.

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    Bill Shorten’s response was that good that the Abbott government jumped 1.5% in the polls.
    Shorten claims he would give small business a 5% tax cut? He and Rudd had their chance to do that when our economy desperately needed a defibrillator. Rudd actually announced the 5% tax cut then reduced that promise to 3%, then 2%, then said nothing about it. Like so many of labor’s promises, just empty rhetoric designed to fool those with poor analytical skills like mick and Hawkeye.
    They had 6 years to get us back on track and did nothing but empty the safe. Labor got rid of their good ministers.
    Couldn’t organise a chook raffle in a pub with or without the red undies on their head.

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      Frank that 1.5 was before people became aware of how the PPL would affect them and now the worm is turning, next poll may show a different number altogether, mothers and fathers of new babies do not take kindly to being called Rorters and Fraudsters and neither should they, a lot of workers have given up pay rises and other benefits to get the Employer’s PPL OR ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF THAT?. Mathias Cormann and Josh Frydenburg were guilty of the so called Double Dipping, what a bunch of Hypocrites.

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      Now that they are aware it will go even higher I suppose. As Margaret Thatcher once said, “the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” Cormann and Frydenburg wouldn’t be the first to demonstrate about needless welfare. I recall a Prime Minister retiring an receiving the aged pension.

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      What else would one expect from an employee if this government. Get a proper day job Frank so that you can hold your head up in public.

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      What else would one expect from an employee if this government. Get a proper day job Frank so that you can hold your head up in public.

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      Get a day job Frank. Your current employer is not worth the time of day and you need the credibility.

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      Get a day job Frank. Your current employer is not worth the time of day and you need the credibility.

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      You are just a troll mick. Shouldn’t be allowed to post on here. YLC is for us oldies not for out of work rich politicians.

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      Unlike you Frank I do not support either side of our corrupt political system and unlike you I am not employed to deploy propaganda.
      So funny that you are now simply repeating what I say about you.

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      So you do not support either side of politics mick? Out of your own post – vote one independent and two Labor. As the independent will not be elected that is clearly an endorsement of Labor.

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      Correct.
      Do not send your preference to this dirty and most dishonest of all governments. If there had to be a choice you always vote for the lesser if 2 evils Frank.

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    I can’t believe I’m reading this! Shorten is discriminating AGANST every other profession by promising to make computer / science graduates HEX / HELP free. I accept that we need more graduates with these skills. But I would argue that graduates from the health care sector are more urgently needed. With ‘Baby Boomers’ retiring from the healthcare workforce there is an urgent need to replace them. But to make them HEX / HELP free would also be discriminatory. Anyone remember Labour complaining about discrimination recently?

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    Sum1 get your facts straight, Bill Shorten and his wife had already separated long before his romance with the Governer General’s daughter began.

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      Misty and you know this how?

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      From everything I have read Frank you are quite correct. Both were still married to previous partners when Chloe Bryce became pregnant to Bill Shorten. He had at one time been living with Nicola Roxon…an ex polly now.

      http://www.
      ews.com.au/national/mp-bill-shorten-expecting-child-with-chloe-bryce/story-e6frfkp9-1225751776912

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      Misty…Your biased assumption is incorrect, but don’t let that stop you posting rubbish.

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      This man Shortless gets around he was also recently accused of rape and I”ll bet the accuser wasn”t Penny Wong.

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      I recall Nicola Roxon resigning, during the Gillard years. I couldn’t quite understand the reasoning apart from her previous statement. “I will not work with Kevin Rudd.” Did she know Bill Shorten and his union mates were going to reinstate Kevin Rudd?

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      Come on now, stop playing the man. Please leave that to those of the left. Stick to criticising the policies. Surely there is enough material there.

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      Radish they may have been still married to other people but were separated from them before their partnership began.

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      Don’t expect too much from some of these posts Misty. All from the same poster: Frank….cash for comment.

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      The reason Kevin 007 is so hated by his Labor mates and lacking in Labor values is simply because he didn’t keep his end of the deal. The unions were explicit. He was to resign during the first 12 months due to a heart condition. Having run out of patience, Julia 2010 went to the PM’s office to see why he was still stuck to the chair.
      A frustrated Gillard then phoned Bill Shorten saying he is not going! What will I do?
      Shorten has been leading the party all the time.

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      You are a joke Frank. Good story but readers are not so gullible as to believe such tripe.
      Rudd fell out of favour for one reason alone: he was behaving like a despot and was not listening to other elected representatives. He needed to go. I seem to recall that Howard had a simikar problem and that this destabilised your employer’s Party in a similar way.
      Frank: please stop posting your paid for propaganda. I am sure that your employer is not paying you enough for you to sell your soul. I don’know how you sleep at night mate.

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    I can’t believe how this has turned into gutter comments. Thought it was to be about budget speeches!!

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      Yes Mar, we are used to seeing that sort of thing on a daily basis from the anti Libs, anti Abbott, anti Hockey brigade on this site.

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      Mar: one has to understand WHO is posting some of this cash for comment. When you read the same drivel from several posters you start to have an appreciation of where this is coming from: this morally devoid government.
      There is only one poster. Frank. Paid for services to the Liberal Party. Seriously.

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      For the umpteenth time I call you out mick. Show your evidence or shut up. I know what will happen from a coward like you who does not have any evidence for your accusations as none exists. I know that you usually, if not always ignore the post when you have been called out to put up or shut up.

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      For the umpteenth time stop with the right wing propaganda. This is a discussion website.

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    Something that went unnoticed in the Budget announcement.
    The government’s watering down of the tax concessions on Superannuation for the people who potentially can afford to make higher contributions. As I have previously stated on YLC, to those who are against those maximising super contributions and those taking advantage of negative gearing and it’s variations introduced by Labor. Drop taxes and keep interest rates low to achieve a better result. The Abbott government reduced the tax concession for many workers simply by cutting small business tax.
    This should make people like Rainey, mick and others happy.

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      I see mick you don’t understand what actually happened do you? All you see is a sector you are opposed to getting a tax cut. Well Bill Shorten has just realised how effective a small business tax cut can be, by pulling out Rudd’s speech from 2009. A promise to cut small bus tax by a whopping 5%. Do you think anyone with an ounce of intelligence would believe it this time? I mean now that it is being delivered by someone who will say anything to get the top job?

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      Your are quite pitiful Fran. Please tell your employees, over that we all understand that AFTER the next election all promises will be repealed. We have seen how this dishonest government works: lie to the electorate and then do the opposite.
      Your attempts to discredit Bill Shorten avoid the facts. Shorten has not lied to the electorate like your employer and he has even shown bipartisan support. In case you have forgotten Abbott voted against EVERYTHING the previous government put up. Only a traitorous government like this one would sabotage the nation. Hide your head I shame.

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      mick, when you’ve had your medication tell me what you think of the tax cut for small business?

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      Frank, your responses tend to be devoid of facts and contain personal attacks. Reminds me of Abbott’s behaviour, continually attacking Julia, not the policies.
      The Labor Government had a1.5% cut, which was dropped out of one policy as the Abbott opposition and some cross benchers were against the cut. Now Abbott introduces what he opposed!

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      P$cript, Rudd went to the last election with a promise of a 15% cut, but only in NT.
      Nothing adds up with Labor’s off the cuff remarks. 63% of people agree that Abbott and Hockey are on track with this responsible and fair budget. Shorten has said nothing to change that collective opinion. The 6 years of Labor were torture for small business. Small business owners never want to see that again so they have started their own party. I think they will be a force similar to the SNP in the UK.

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      So now we are talking about broken promises are we??? You must think that voters are daft Frank. So how many INTENTIONAL LIES came from Tony Abbott during the last election? I have counted over 10 but have been informed there are more.
      As always we see an attack on only one side of politics Frank. That tells the whole story.

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      Well Frank Kevin may have been able to give small business a 5% tax cut but unfortunately the then opposition party who are now in govt blocked it and did not allow it to get passed.

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      Correct Misty. Tony Abbott (Mr No) blocked everything as he brought the country to its knees. In the end all of his lies have been exposed for what they were: the rantings of one you was fulfilling the needs of the rich, not the needs of the nation.

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      The Greens and the Coalition were right to block it at the time because it was unfunded and tied to the mining tax.
      I think Bill Shorten is in big trouble to retain his leadership of the party. So I expect the Rudd like unfunded promises to roll off the tongue like cherry pits.
      He must realise it is only a matter of time before his party give him the boot.

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    Good for Bill Shorten, the right wing should have walked out with their heads hung in shame.
    How anyone can believe these money grabbing, backstabbing high rollers is beyond me. They only have one useful function, and that’s as a counter weight for a left wing government that gets up itself.

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    At least there is some substance to Shorten’s budget reply compared to Abbott’s rambling reply.

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      Shortens reply was just negative hyperbole. Substance is fact, and a fact is that small business will benefit greatly care of this governments tax breaks.

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      That is not correct Emps, the Shorten Budget reply was offering Small Business a 5% cut and the head of small business on Sky News this morning, I didn’t get his name at the time, said they welcomed it, not negative hyperbole as you suggest.

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      Misty they offered a 5% cut in 2009. What do you call that?

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      A 5% cut Frank.

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      Interesting how we see the consistent anti Labor rhetoric whilst the glaring dishonesty, mismanagement and money transfer to the wealthy by this government is never mentioned by those who claim to be private posters but are clearly anything else.

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    Lets all agree to disagree and stop the tit for tat dialogue going on here, there will never ever be a 100% consensus for any political party but at least we can be civilised in our opposition and not have a slanging match every time someone disagrees with what is posted here. Incorrect assumptions and information can be corrected but please be civil about it, most of us posting here are old enough to remember when good manners counted for something I think.

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      Misty you should be directing your request to the person who changed the tone of discussion a few months ago. I won’t mention any names but we all know who he is.
      Have a look at his posts above. They have nothing to do with the topic.

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      Frank it is not just the person who you are referring to, and I know who you mean, but there are very few of us, myself included, who have not been guilty of bad manners, and just because you think the tone of someone else’s comments don’t agree with yours doesn’t mean we have to reciprocate in kind does it.

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      When I get confused I just take a deep breath and refocus. I read what you said but I know what you mean.
      I think???
      Words are all we have on here to express how we feel? So there’s not much else I can do. he he he he 🙂

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      Yes there is Frank, just be careful what words you use and this goes for all of us posting here.

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      Misty: I agree with you. The issue I have is that there are several posters who claim to have private opinions but who are posting comments to enhance the re-electorate ton prospects of this government.
      I welcome honest private comments if they are factual. My issue is that they are not. We do need an honest discussion, something which you will not get when posters are being paid for services rendered.

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      Misty I agree with you . The issue I have is that there are several posters who claim to have private opinions but are posting comments to enhance the re- electorate ton prospects of the previous government.

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      What is your point Pete with this comment?

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      Exactly Pete, I have also noticed there are some posters who are working hard to get Labor back into government. I suggest listening to Pete Townshend’s song.

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      Misty see micks comment above mine .

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      Well Pete and Frank the same thing could be said about your comments, that is the beauty of free speech in this country and we all know that there will never be a 100% endorsement of one party so naturally different people have different views and will air them every opportunity they get.

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      Have to agree with you Misty.Long live freedom of speech and everyone’s opinion is valid.

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      Misty and Billy you are quite right! I couldn’t agree more. That is why forums such as these provide well for everyone to be heard. It is often difficult for some conservatives to be heard over the din of snarling ferals.

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      Frank I must be reading from a different page then you as

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      Frank I must be reading from a different page then you because as far as I can see each party is as guilty as the other and no insults please.

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