Coalition attacks Labor for not backing NDIS funding

Coalition attacks Labor for not backing a universal Medicare levy hike to fund the NDIS.

Coalition attacks Labor for not backing NDIS funding

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has taken the opportunity to drive a wedge into the Labor Party, after rumours of ALP dissension over the universal Medicare levy increase to fully fund the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS).

The PM has said that Labor should follow its “correct instincts” and pass the measure.

In his Budget reply speech on 11 May, Bill Shorten said that Labor would only support the 0.5% increase in the Medicare levy for people in the top two income brackets.

And it’s not just Labor that has expressed concerns over the proposed levy hike. The Greens and Nick Xenophon are also worried about how a Medicare levy hike will affect lower income earners.

The Coalition wants the Medicare levy increase to be universal, meaning that low-income earners would also have to foot the bill.

The Prime Minister used a sizable chunk of question time in Parliament yesterday to attack Labor for its “shameful abdication of responsibility”, saying that the party wants to accept credit for the establishment of such a bill, but was unwilling to pay for it.

“The Opposition Leader was prepared to win the plaudits from advocates for people with disability, to get the thanks from parents of disabled children but then not pay for it,” said Mr Turnbull.

It has been reported that Labor’s decision to only back the higher levy for people with incomes over $87,000, instead of including singles earning over $21,000 and families with an income just under $40,000, was not unanimous.

The decision was largely agreed upon by Labor leadership during budget week, but not by the shadow cabinet. There are reports that the majority of the shadow cabinet think the party should back the universal rise in the levy.

Social Services Minister Christian Porter reminded Bill Shorten that Mr Shorten himself was a staunch proponent of the plan only a few years ago, saying that if the Coalition didn’t back the 0.5 per cent increase, it would regard “getting into power as more important than your life”.

“So we now say to you, leader of the opposition, all of us say to you, if you do not support this 0.5% increase, you need to look into the face of people ... and you need to say: “I regard me as getting into power as more important than your life”,” said Mr Porter.

Bill Shorten hit back, and called on the Government to maintain the temporary deficit levy on high incomes and remove the company tax cuts, which cost $65 billion over 11 years.

“I’ve got a really good idea for Mr Morrison and Mr Turnbull – don’t give millionaires a tax cut from 1 July,” said Mr Shorten.

“Don’t give large banks and large corporations a reduction in what they pay. This is a government who is taking people with disabilities hostage in saying there is only one way to fund it.”

Opinion: Labor needs to pick its battles

Bill Shorten may have a good point, after all, why should low-income earners – those who can least afford it – foot the bill rather than those who can better afford it?

Yes, the Coalition should be looking at extending the Temporary Budget Repair Levy to help fund the NDIS, and it shouldn’t be giving tax breaks to millionaires. However, Mr Shorten should pick his battles wisely.

This is somewhat of a political crossroads for the Opposition Leader. Certainly, the Coalition could be accused of political plagiarism – taking a Labor Party initiative and calling it their own. But imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and Mr Shorten could capitalise on the fact that the Coalition has taken a Labor Party policy and run with it.

This is no time to dig in and start a political squabble. Fighting a trench war while people with disabilities sit in ‘no-man’s land’ is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a very savvy political move.

One of the reasons that Labor has a six-point lead in Newspoll is that it is a party undivided that does the hard yards and creates intelligent policies. Labor has been a party of solidarity and has, in the past, definitely capitalised on the Coalition’s constant party splits and leadership squabbles. This alleged ALP division gives ammunition to the Coalition to finally fire back and drive a wedge into Labor.

We all know what Mr Shorten is trying to do. He’s looking out for the battler. He’s playing minder to those who are doing it tough. But the Coalition has him on the back foot here. Mr Shorten needs to take credit for the conception of the plan and support the proposal. Keep pushing the Coalition’s predilection for millionaire tax breaks and backing big business at the expense of the average Australian, but don’t use people with disabilities as leverage for scoring political points. He should support the proposal and move on to the next skirmish.

Do you think a universal Medicare levy hike is fair? Should the Government extend the Temporary Budget Repair Levy to help fund the NDIS and other budget measures? Do you think any Australian has a problem supporting people with disabilities? Is this a battle Bill Shorten can win?

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    Kathleen
    23rd May 2017
    11:08am
    Low income workers have had no raises in ages therefore to ask them to pay anything is wrong! Thank goodness someone has their backs!
    Sceptic
    23rd May 2017
    3:11pm
    Its called the National Disability INSURANCE Scheme. Since when is it possible to get insurance without a premium being payable? All are at risk that at sometime they may unfortunately have to call on the NDIS for assistance. Is it any different to income protection insurance?

    Perhaps only those earning over $87,000 should pay house insurance for everybody, or life insurance. The nonsense spoken about fairness by Shorten is that he considers that it is fair for one group to pay 80% of the cost of this insurance. That does not sound like fairness to me.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    3:19pm
    @Sceptic. I agree. Everyone has an obligation to make a contribution to the scheme, even aged pensioners, and welfare recipients. Just dock them, say, 1.5% each pay day not a lot to ask is it!! To keep "biting the hand that feeds them" will end in disaster. Eventually all the talent will leave Australia and who then will pay? We already have a progressive income tax system and far too many are not paying any tax after all the excessive Government allowances.
    grounded
    23rd May 2017
    11:08am
    One is going to enjoy reading all the supporting posts of, and for Shorten/Labor using the disabled, to play grubby Labor politics with!
    Placido
    23rd May 2017
    11:36am
    Well Turnbull isn't playing politics?? If Turnbull actually governed and taxed the "untaxable" mates of his the multi-national tax avoiders Australia would be in a much better position, we could afford NDIS, TAFE and GONSKI (mot the feeble Mk2) So come out of the mud wipe your eyes and attempt to see clearly! Difficult for you and your pal OG I know
    Oldie84
    23rd May 2017
    2:25pm
    Oh Placid you forgot to mention we could all go on a six month holiday every year as well with so much money that has not been collected. WOW.
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2017
    11:35am
    Labor have had no credible method of funding NDIS. It is logical that NDIS should be funded by an increase in the Medicare levy. It also stands to reason that all working Australians would want to make a contribution toward the health and safety of the disabled.
    It's time for Bill Shorten and his union mates to stop playing politics and tribal war games, and just do what's best for all Australians for a change.
    Tom Tank
    23rd May 2017
    11:56am
    Surely it is Turnbull playing politics with this. A different perspective on things here Frank.
    One thing that badly needs to be looked at is the use of Trusts to minimise tax but don't expect the LNP to raise that issue as it appears a significant number of sitting LNP members have a family trust. A small number of ALP members also have such a setup.
    Message - don't hold the breath.
    Trees
    23rd May 2017
    12:21pm
    I would agree that at some point the political parties need to do what is best for Australians & if all working Australians have to fund NDIS then so be it, people with disabilities need to be supported.
    Poppa Bear
    23rd May 2017
    12:03pm
    As a former Coles driver, I know exactly how Labor and the unions look after workers. The EBA they dished up resulted in penalty rates of half the award rates. Have not heard a word from Bill, his appointed Fair Work Ombudsman or the union involved in the debacle.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    3:41pm
    Times move on Poppa, people are starting to realise that the population of Australia is entitled to an equal share of all that is produced, at least all those who work, and we care about our sick and older folk and our children, like human societies the world over.
    Unions went over the top, now the rich are over the top, complaining about unions will not help control the greed of the rich, but no unions will mean the exploitation by the rich of everyone else, and it is happening right now.
    The unions had some corrupt leaders, but now almost every rich person is terminally corrupt.
    Balance !
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    3:45pm
    @Lookfar, communism seems to be more up your street. Well that is what you will eventually get unless everyone, absolutely everyone has an obligation to make a contribution. Tax everyone from the first dollar at a flat rate ,no income bands. Most people in Australia pay little or no income tax, yet expect someone else to pay for the services they use.
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:07pm
    What used to annoy me when I was working we would pay our Union fees, go to meetings lose money by striking if we had to for our pay increases and better working and safety rights, but when it came to the non union members, the ones who complain about unions, they were always very happy to put their hand out for the pay increases and better working conditions.
    ex PS
    25th May 2017
    3:57pm
    Yes Misty, the bludgers are always more than willing to take what others work and pay for. Then they suck up to the bosses and tell them how they are not part of the Union and how much they dislike them, all the time taking the pay increases and benefits that others have worked for.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    12:05pm
    Frank, it does not stand to reason that as the gap between rich and poor widens daily that the rich get tax cuts and the poor pay for the NDIS, History shows that the more a society becomes unequal, the more it is likely to collapse, and when a society collapses, the rich die along with the poor, as happened in Rome. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
    Old Geezer
    23rd May 2017
    12:19pm
    I can't see how as the poor simply don't pay the Medicare levy.
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2017
    12:31pm
    Lookfar your view is short sighted. We are talking about the funding of NDIS. How does this relate to a so called gap between rich and poor widening? How does it relate to society becoming unequal?
    Old Geezer
    23rd May 2017
    12:53pm
    They have increased the following the budget and it is a bit higher than the threshold.

    https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/medicare-levy/medicare-levy-reduction-for-low-income-earners/
    Old Geezer
    23rd May 2017
    12:55pm
    https://www.ato.gov.au/General/New-legislation/In-detail/Direct-taxes/Income-tax-for-individuals/Increasing-the-Medicare-Levy-low-income-thresholds/
    ex PS
    25th May 2017
    4:00pm
    Personally I don't mind paying a bit more in taxes for something worthwhile like the NDIS. It is an unpopular fact that if you want better services someone has to pay for them and I feel that everyone should shoulder some of the burden.
    What disgusts me is Politicians on both sides who try to make this issue political.
    Tarzan
    23rd May 2017
    12:08pm
    Placido, here are some facts
    The 'Anti Avoidance Bill' will amend current tax laws with penalties of 40 % for avoidance. Facebook and Google are now paying tax on profit generated in Australia and the A.T.O.is negotiating with 80 multi nationals to restructure in order to pay tax here, in addition to that the A.T.O. has placed staff in 30 multi nationals and employed over 1000 staff to deal with the issue. The issue isn't fixed however the wheels are in motion.
    From where I sit high up in my treehouse your post is uneducated dribble
    Placido
    23rd May 2017
    1:33pm
    The treehouse with no leaves, the only moisture dribbling from your mouth, when Apple and their ilk pay reasonable tax on profits generated here I wll believe that there has been substantial improvement.

    Transfer pricing is also still thriving. Free education up there in the treehouse?
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2017
    2:02pm
    Placido, you're just singing the party song. Google pays tax in Ireland because it would be a lot less than they would pay here.
    In Australia we have states stupidly competing with each other by offering tax and other incentives for businesses to move in. We are well and truly part of a global economy. Other Countries are way ahead of us. Our higher franking credits are attractive but where's the benefit for a future Australia?
    Not a Bludger
    23rd May 2017
    12:10pm
    As the NDIS is meant to be a universal scheme it is only right that the funding of it is also universal.

    I am fed up with those who put their hands out for money for free (ie from me & mine & yours) but don't, ever, want to contribute - always aided and abetted by the latte sipping, lefties and ex union thug bosses amongst us.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    3:52pm
    I agree .
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:11pm
    No doubt from your comments you 2 are dyed in the wool right wingers.
    Trees
    23rd May 2017
    5:25pm
    I agree as well
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    5:30pm
    @Misty Oh dear!
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    7:03pm
    Who do you agree with Trees, Not a Bludger or me?.
    Trees
    24th May 2017
    12:14am
    hey Misty was agreeing with Not a Bludger - sorry Misty I dont know what you meant "dyed in the wool right wingers" ?
    Misty
    24th May 2017
    1:53am
    Voting with the right wing of politics, the Coalition in other words Trees or at least agreeing with their side of politics more then the left. I think Not a Bludger has got his wires crossed here, I don't think many lefties, as he likes to call them, can afford to spend their time and money sipping latte's, sounds more like the North Shore and the Shire crowd to me.
    Jim
    23rd May 2017
    12:12pm
    I am not sure of my facts, but I am sure someone will be able to give an explanation, I am under the impression that low paid workers get an exemption from the Medicare Levi, is this correct? I have also seen many comments about giving tax breaks to wealthy people, and an equal number of people complaining that the wealthy don't pay any tax, so if the wealthy don't pay any tax what is the point in giving them a tax break, does that mean they can actually claim tax back that they haven't paid. Confused. Just as an aside, how many people who use this site have ever in their life had a job done cash in hand, isn't that tax avoidance, no gst paid and no income tax paid on some or all of the cost.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    12:39pm
    Dim, there are two issues, 1/- who is poorer, sure the really really poor don't pay much, but the folk who really work hard in the workforce now, but are getting less and less, pay the biggest share of tax, - as the rich pay almost none. 2/- the rich don't need tax breaks but they find it easier if they don't have to lie so much when they are assessed as owing less, and also some rich do pay tax, so all rich club together on various isues, its sort of a religion, called neo-Liberalism, such a destructive human aberration, - oh well, hopefully they will all feel togetherness in the Tumbrills, on their way to Madame Guillotine, but by then our world will be buggered.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    1:21pm
    Two opinons from the converstion, 1/-The article boldly states: “giving a CEO one, two or three million dollars might motivate them. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that they will work any harder if offered four, five or six million” BUT it does not question why pay CEO 1,2 or 3 million in the first place? NOR it questions why such ludicrous pays have become the norm in today’s businesses?

    Yet these are important questions and it would highlight BOTH the fallacy of the neo-liberal cry “pay peanuts, you get monkeys” and how to recover from it.

    Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is well known with esteem and self-actualization occupying the pinnacle of human needs. Maslow never linked money to motivation, so where did we get the idea that paying CEO zillions will improve their performance?

    Does research support that today’s CEOs being paid 300 times the average salary performs better than CEOs in the 70s when CEOs salaries were 30 times that of average salaries? Do today’s CEOs perform 10 times better than their counterparts in the 70s? My money is that they perform as well, if not poorly, than the CEOs of 50 years ago.

    So, if performance hasn’t increased, why are CEOs today so better rewarded for their work than 50 years ago? Did the CEOs of 50 years ago have different human needs than today’s CEOs?

    I dare to suggest that CEOs motivation, risk profiles, decision making abilities and work load have remained similar over time. In other words there appears to be NO CLEAR justifications why today’s CEOs should be paid at a rate 10 times higher than they were in the 70s OTHER THAN A SINGLE FACTOR: GREED!!

    And we, the voters, have allowed that greed to grow and grow. HOW?? We have allowed governments after governments to lower the TOP MARGINAL TAX RATE. In 1970 the top marginal tax rate was 66.7%, by 1982 it had dropped to 60%, in 19882 it was down to 49% and by 2006 it was down to 45%, today’s rate.

    The impact of this is that considerably more of CEOs pays end up in their pocket than it used to, and our progressive taxation flattens out once you go over $1M, e.g. @$1M taxable income the effective tax rate is 42.3%, @10M the effective tax rate is 44.7%.

    In other words, our taxation system ENCOURAGES GREED!! The perverse nature of lowering marginal tax rates means that GREED is rewarded, i.e. if for the same effort you can manage to double, triple your already inflated salary then you simply INCREASE your wealth and STARVE the company of funds to invest and/or distribute to other employees.

    Unless GOVERNMENTS recognise that their taxation policies are fueling GREED and are prepared to step in and change this behaviour, we shall continue to see CEOs and other senior management transfer firms profits into their own wealth INSTEAD of investing these funds for more productive activities.
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2017
    1:46pm
    Lookfar, we can talk about Maslow's theories and how they relate to a modern workforce or we can talk about how we fund the NDIS?
    Very rarely does anyone get overpaid except perhaps in the Public Service. Where is the value in overpaying someone?
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:14pm
    Fran that is exactly what Lookfair has said, where is the value in overpaying someone.
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:15pm
    Sorry for the spelling errors above I am in a hurry.
    Trees
    23rd May 2017
    6:07pm
    Lookfor for whats its worth in my experience CEO's are paid very well (or overpaid) to 'motivate' the tier below them who in turn 'motivate' the workers. Do they work harder than previous CEO's 50 years ago? probably not, they just work meaner & smarter.

    Will we change greed? probably not, its the super wealthy that pull the strings & they to a very large degree directing our government (whichever party is in power)

    Now all of that has nothing to do with NDIS. So, I do believe we should to all contribute to the NDIS because if we don't we are not going to get help to the people who need it.

    23rd May 2017
    12:46pm
    This budget appears to have stolen a lot of Labor's policies and because of that Shorten should have said that he supported a lot of the budget and stayed away from those areas where there was an apparent duplication. I believe that Shorten has made himself a target by his own party because of his response to the budget. The last thing Labor, or the Coalition for that matter, needs is dissension within the party and that may be why Albanese has spoken out against some of Shorten's statements. The media has pounced on Albanese and accused him of seeking the leadership but I believe that Albanese is doing what he has done to heal any perceived rifts within Labor.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    6:32pm
    Hi Old Man, I think that Shorten was selected as someone who could stand up to that arrogant s..t Abbot, but Abbott got kicked out, but because the media has had such a success of raising ratings by carrying on breathlessly about 'regime changes' neither the Labor party is willing to subject itself to the change to Albanese, (seems to be better but how would I know?) nor the Libs to whoever may suit them better, - Bronwyn? - Fear of the Media..
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    8:01pm
    As the saying goes ' a change is good as a rest'
    floss
    23rd May 2017
    1:05pm
    As self funded retiree we have reached the limit as to what we can out lay about time some of the Multinationals who are ripping off the country paid their way but it will not happen under this Government. Frank do you really think the Multinationals raping this country are paying their fair share of tax be real.
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2017
    1:34pm
    floss, I never mentioned anything about multinationals.
    To answer your question though. You are talking about non Australian companies operating in Australia? This is a complex field and requires global co-operation. Our best chance of getting a result is through the efforts of a coalition government. They have already made some progress.
    Labor has shown very little promise in any commercial negotiations internationally. Their only trade deal after 6 years in government was with Chile. Which had a negative effect on Australia's balance of trade. Perhaps it was a trade off for BHP to set up there? I don't know?
    At the moment our biggest company (which is a multinational so far (don't know what's going on with Billiton etc?)) is BHP and surprise, surprise it is our biggest taxpayer. Who would have believed??
    LOL
    If we stall NDIS on the basis of waiting for a result with a "multinational tax" then it may never happen. Why would you want that floss?
    NDIS is part of our national health care program and should be funded by people who are already paying the Medicare levy.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    1:26pm
    Dim, comment 2, we need to get beyond cliches, "2/-I disagree.

    In the same 1970’s that you refer to, the system of economics was Keynesian.

    If my aging memory serves me, I believe it was Hawke, who in 1983, entered a press conference after his election win and exclaimed loudly “ those Liberal bastards have cooked the books, the budget is stuffed’. Three seconds later, he slammed a report he had conveniently placed inside his jacket pocket onto the table. "And” he said, “here is the answer”.

    And, having never voted on it, we had neo-liberal economics introduced into this country.

    As circumstance would have it - pretty much every Western ‘Democracy’ had neo-liberal economics introduced into their country without voting on it.

    So, I take exception to the notion that WE allowed it. I would suggest there are groups of un-elected people who run the show and THEY decided CEO salaries would increase.

    You and I can vote and posture how ever we want, it changes nothing.

    As for issues of performance….The major productively bottleneck in this country is managerial incompetence. Its not in workers donating 6 hours overtime a week to their already rich boss, its not in taking pay cuts, its not in having your full time job casualised, its not in working harder or in not taking a lunch break.

    So yes, they are given money for no other reason then the system lets them take it."
    Jim
    23rd May 2017
    1:58pm
    Not sure who you are responding to Lookfar, but it's not me or any post I have put up?
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    1:32pm
    Frank it relates directly, if you have lots of money to give to the rich, and the rich are getting richer, but you claim that the NDIS has to be funded by the poor as well, so that will make the poorer poorer, isn't it blindingly obvious that unless you use that surplus rich people donation to fund the NDIS, you are widening the gap?
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    1:36pm
    IMO everyone should contribute to the Medicare Levy, even aged pensioners. No, the budget repair levy was a temporary measure and as promised should be removed. the NDIS should be funded by all Australians regardless of income.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    2:14pm
    Niemakawa, so are you suggesting the old age pension and every other such should be reduced to pay for the NDIS? and everyone on the NDIS should have it reduced to pay for the NDIS? - so then the NDIS will be inadequate, like the Old Age Pension is already? so to pay more to the NDIS the old age pension would have to be reduced even further? - wouldn't it be easier to just use that unnecessary Tax reduction to the rich to pay for the NDIS?
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    3:37pm
    @Lookfar. in one word. NO.
    KSS
    23rd May 2017
    1:45pm
    "One of the reasons that Labor has a six-point lead in Newspoll is that it is a party undivided that does the hard yards and creates intelligent policies. Labor has been a party of solidarity and has, in the past, definitely capitalised on the Coalition’s constant party splits and leadership squabbles"

    Seriously!?!
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    2:12pm
    Fake news, I suspect.
    Sceptic
    23rd May 2017
    3:24pm
    What else would you expect, KSS, from a site that supports and promotes GetUp
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:21pm
    Really, and the Coalition is not a divided party too?, ex pm who was back stabbed making noises whenever he can, Corey Bernardi breaking away from the Libs, back bench revolt, WANT MORE?, get real you people , one party is as bad as the other and seems like One Nation is just as bad too.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    4:29pm
    @Misty. One Nation has the right attitude . I am also looking closely at ALA. Nothing will change with the Lib/Lab/Green block. They are all Globalists parties and the welfare of Australians is the furthest from their minds. Become patriotic and work for your country, push the 3 main parties into oblivion.
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    7:01pm
    And today the PM announced a police investigation into One Nation so who do you trust.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    8:04pm
    @Misty, like everywhere else where globalists lurch, speaking the truth has become a criminal offence. What's poor Pauline been up to this time. Refused to cook her fish and chips in halal certified oil. Can't be upsetting the people who actually control this country can we now!!!
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    11:10pm
    I think it is about James Ashby and that story that was out on the weekend.
    sirrom
    23rd May 2017
    2:05pm
    I quote you "Bill Shorten is looking out for the battler"- b.s. Bill Shorten looks out for himself ONLY. wHAT ABOUT ALL THE WORKERS HE DUPED WHEN HE WAS UNION LEADER? Get real if you can't be unbiased - just shut the .... up
    Jim
    23rd May 2017
    2:09pm
    I agree with the majority opinion that a lot of people get paid far too much for doing far too little, that being said, I am not sure what that has to do with the post, my question that appears to be unanswered is do the less well off in society actually pay the Medicare levy or indeed do they pay any tax at all, also who amongst all of you outraged people I again ask have you ever had a job done cash in hand, if you have you are just as guilty of tax evasion as anyone else!
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    3:22pm
    Hi Dim, sorry, I tried to cover a lot of ground, but I have a friend grows vegies and sells them at the community markets, fresh, organic, he might get a couple of hundred dollars on a good day, but of course that won't be clear, - he has to pay for upkeep on his machinery, fuel, bags of horsy poo or organic fertiliser, seeds, etc. plus market expenses. - on the face of it he may exceed his allowable pension income, but on a gross level, not on a net level, so the last thing he wants to do is pay some accountant to do books, - then he would make a net loss, so it all depends on the scale, if his backyard garden grew into a big business he would have to pay all those extra costs including tax, but as an old pensioner that will not happen, it should just be a very casual situation, the pension is not enough, earning a bit on the side, - which if one submitted a profit and loss statement Centrelink would be totally happy with, but if not, who cares? Big money, different situation, some old geezer flogging home brew to his mates, not guilty of tax evasion to my way of looking at it, unless his total profit exceeds the pension allowable amount, - then he should declare it.
    Jim
    23rd May 2017
    4:52pm
    To be honest I would never criticise anyone earning a few bob on the side, but you might be surprised how big the black economy is. Iv'e seen reports that indicate the black economy to be in the billions of dollars, this is sourced through people working in low paid jobs getting cash in hand and claiming Centrelink benifits, there are some tradies that still do a bit of their work cash in hand, and have you ever noticed people using $60,000 vehicles as their work vehicles, some might say these things can be justified, I worked in the steel industry for 50 years, I was never able to claim much as work expenses, I do remember working overtime and paying a Significant ammount in tax often wondering if it was worth it, and you know at the end of the day it was, oops starting to ramble a bit now, my point is there are a lot of rorts out there many of them are everyday people who are of have ripped off the tax man, which is the same as ripping off your mate!
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    5:43pm
    Dim, I think you are talking about the drug industry and the rich people's tax avoidance, they are the ones ripping off our mates, why would you want to defend them?
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    2:19pm
    Gillard and her gang brought in the NDIS, did she not? At the time it had been fully costed and funding in place. So now we have to pay more towards a scheme that IMO is not necessary.
    Oldie84
    23rd May 2017
    2:31pm
    There is none so blind they do not see. Surely you must be joking. Gillard and the lot never had funding in place for anything.... Wether it was Gonski, NDIS or anything. They couldn't fund a chook raffle.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    3:01pm
    @Oldie83, couldn't agree more, but just another fine example of the legacy of debt left by that woman which will take a generation to settle. I don't place much hope or even trust in the Liberals either, the Greens best forgotten.
    Trees
    23rd May 2017
    6:22pm
    Julia Gillard was Prime Minister for what 3 years? All of these issues have been brewing for a hell of a lot longer than that & now the Liberals are in power & its the same old same old.
    Eddy
    23rd May 2017
    10:31pm
    I may be wrong but my recollection is that when NDIS was introduced by PM Gillard the medicare levy was increased from 1.5% to 2%, the additional 0.5% to be used to fund the NDIS. So where is the business case to show that an additional 0.5% (increasing the medicare levy to 2.5%) is justified.
    Ted Wards
    23rd May 2017
    2:19pm
    No I dont think its fair that lower income earners should pay more. I cant afford private health care as it is so i dont see why I should work so that others can get more than me. Maybe if as compensation tax payers were made priorities in the public health system it might assist towards me doing without more of my wages. This is especially so in light of the government wanting to give millionaires more in their pocket and the low income earner even less to live off. Its not rocket science I have a limited income and can only afford so much. Now you want me to have even less? why would anyone bother to work?
    ChangingTimes
    23rd May 2017
    2:23pm
    We all know the tax system is a mess. There also seems to be a view by some that only the rich should pay. When do you become defined as rich? Is it when you earn over $180k and get slugged 49% or is it now $87k where you are slugged 39%, or $37k where you pay only a paltry 34.5% in tax. Its no wonder people look to reduce their tax through negative gearing and other schemes etc. or to want to push back. So more tax only for those earning $87k or more? Forget it.
    Everyone should contribute to the Medicare Levy but leave the Aged Pensioners out of it (they never new that the pension system would not be able to continue to support them).

    The budget repair levy was a temporary measure and as promised should be removed. The NDIS should be funded by all Australians regardless of income.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    2:29pm
    Your last sentence are the same words that I used on my earlier post. !!
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    3:59pm
    How about we work out the average, those above the average pay more, those below pay less, - all proportionally, that is how it should be.
    dweezy2176
    23rd May 2017
    2:43pm
    50% of the "poor" are takers not givers so won't be paying the Medicare levy, anyway! Then again it was Labor that introduced the NDIS so why not fund it thru an, exclusive, levy on Labor parliamentarians or, better still, declare unions companies and have them pay tax.
    Labor created the NDIS debacle let them pay for it......
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:24pm
    Hope you and yours never have need of the NDIS deweezy with your attitude.
    Old Geezer
    23rd May 2017
    7:29pm
    50% I'd say more like 99%.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    3:34pm
    A Prayer for the people of Manchester. God bless them all. Horrific and the same old protagonists responsible. Time for action flowers and candles will not stop these attacks nor rhetoric from our Politicians. Sorry to change the topic.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    3:34pm
    A Prayer for the people of Manchester. God bless them all. Horrific and the same old protagonists responsible. Time for action flowers and candles will not stop these attacks nor rhetoric from our Politicians. Sorry to change the topic.
    Triss
    23rd May 2017
    9:41pm
    Don't apologise for coming off topic, Niemakawa, I agree wholeheartedly with you.
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    11:08pm
    As do everyone posting here I would think.
    les
    23rd May 2017
    4:17pm
    Why is it that Labour always wants to punish people that work hard , make sacrifices, go to night school after a hard day at work sometimes for years to improve their eduation and get a promotion, save their pennies, learn how to create wealth and taken a risk with their own money while others who can't be bothered even to work expect and insist it is their right not pay any taxes or levies nearly every one in Australia has a choice to create wealth if they want Only a small percentage of so called wealthy people are born with a silver spoon. The rest took the hard steps to make themselves financially free. Stop complaining and become a student of learning on how to improve your financial situation. becomming financialy
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    4:19pm
    I like it. Everything you have stated is FACT.
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:26pm
    Les Labor is spelled LABOR there is no U in it.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    4:34pm
    @Misty Labor has lost U.
    Lookfar
    23rd May 2017
    4:39pm
    Les, most rich people have rich parents, and virtually all the really rich people inherited it from their parents, who they, incidentally, usually hate bitterly, (eg Gina Rhinehart) you sound like some spruiker from one of these self development work shop runners, - if it works so well, why do you need to run workshops?
    Parasites, using Guilt to make money.
    Misty
    23rd May 2017
    4:31pm
    Well a lot of us were paying for National Fire Insurance through our House Insurance, that also wasn't fair as a lot of home owners never paid insurance so the levy on Council Rates is a much fairer way. Sometimes there is no way that everyone can pay for an insurance that everyone gets the benefit of.
    dougie
    23rd May 2017
    5:17pm
    Anyone who thinks that the banks do not rip us off is in la la land. It is good to see that they are being asked to contribute to the well being of some of the populace who are unfortunate enough to reasonably expect some help through life. Compare their attitude to that of Twiggy Forrest and decide who has a social conscience. Not the banks!
    In my early life one looked upon the banks with awe and knew that they were their to help you when they could but that they also made decisions to keep you out of financial trouble. When did this change you may well ask? My thoughts are it changed very quickly after the issue of Bankcard. Banks were no longer there to help you they then became bottom line aggressors and their only interest was to increase their bottom line at the expense of their clients.
    Good on the Government serve the banks up some of what they have served to their customers over the years. How many families have been ruined because of the banks actions in enticing them to take even bigger financial commitment than they could afford and then foreclosing. Go get them I say and if you have shares in them bad luck.
    Jim
    23rd May 2017
    5:41pm
    Well said dougie, I have never analysed as you have but you might just be onto something.
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2017
    7:03pm
    Wake up dougie. Banks have the same corporate social responsibility as any other enterprise. They are responsible to their shareholders and cannot be as philanthropic as an individual.
    Old Geezer
    23rd May 2017
    7:27pm
    So Dougie you are OK with your bank interest dropping by 0.06%.
    niemakawa
    23rd May 2017
    8:05pm
    @OG so Centrelink will drop their deeming rates. ha ha!!!!!
    Triss
    23rd May 2017
    9:50pm
    I'm going to be cynical here, Dougie. Banks are businesses and like all businesses they will pass the levy over to the customers...as the government knew they would. In the end the government will get the levy from taxpayers who won't realise for a while that they have been duped and when they do realise there'll be nothing they can do.
    dougie
    24th May 2017
    6:50am
    Frank and OG.
    Yes you are both right, firstly banks do have a social responsibility, but seldom do you see evidence of it . They tend to look only to the bottom line. Has anyone evaluated exactly how much this tax will cost each of the big banks per year over the period of financial estimates. Not very much in comparison to the billions earned each year. Not very much in comparison to the salaries and benefits paid to many of their high rollers.

    OG. You may be right but surely shareholders and customers should look to embarrassing their banks into supporting this measure. A movement of accounts whether debit or credit, an outcry at AGMs or even submission of a notice for inclusion on the agenda re this matter and a review of salaries and benefits at the AGM or even refusal to pass the motion regarding the above may give cause for a second thought.
    Sure we need a strong banking system but not at the expense of their social conscience.
    Adrianus
    24th May 2017
    9:24am
    dougie, look for the bad and you will find it in any corner of the world. Swan and his communist mates did everything in their power to weaken our banking system. It became that serious that 2 of the big 4 had to get loans from US treasury. Swan, Shorten and the Unions don't see the Westpac rescue chopper either. They see the $billions flowing from union run super funds into bank funds. The struggle for this power doesn't include you or me, so why get dragged into the political bs?
    The greatest tragedy of humanity is in its need to be part of a group. This need will I think bring humanity to its knees. Computers will not tolerate this stupidity.
    dougie
    24th May 2017
    11:06am
    Fran,

    For someone who does not want to be part of a group or dragged into political BS, you seem to give an awful lot of advice to those who simply want to comment.

    I guess Frank that the difference between you and I is that I like to look for the good in people or events and when there is good take it on board. I believe that there are many who will see the good in this legislated requirement and will act upon it. Maybe I am wrong but one would hope that there is still some people with a social conscience in this world that we live in. I can be forever hopeful and give the pessimists a run for their money.
    ex PS
    25th May 2017
    4:10pm
    OG, with the rates as they are who would have large amounts of money in bank accounts, and if they did the rates are so low now 0.06% would not even be noticed. There are other alternatives to banks, I have not dealt with a bank other than shares for decades.
    Kato
    23rd May 2017
    8:39pm
    They will raise the medicare levy andifyou are honest with yourself this has been a political football for gain by both sides.
    Just don't hold your breath to see any benefit from it
    to the Disabled by either side of politics. How any of them can look the voter in the eye without guilt is incredulous .
    disillusioned
    29th May 2017
    9:55pm
    The Coalition doesn't give a tinker's for lower income earners, they are more interested in cosying up to their Big Business mates. How about cracking down on Corporate tax dodgers to provide the NDIS money instead of raising the Medicare levy for low income earners, Turnbull?